Sony's Got A Problem
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- Sony's been releasing bad ports of good games for years. It's time to stop.
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Media Sources
Super Mario Sunshine (Leaked Switch Port)
Jak II (PS4+PS2)
Sly 2: Band of Thieves (PS3)
Ratchet & Clank (PS3+PS2)
Ratchet: Deadlocked (PS3)
Advance Wars: Days of Ruin (Fan Remix by Thunderclasm: • Advance Wars: Power Up... ) 
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✔ An apocalyptic future
✔ Mario Sunshine port for Switch
✔ Minor graphical errors
Gamechamp predicted the future
yes
only peach earrings after they land and mario and toadsworth are talking
Except he did the inverse of predicting
He said a thing would never happen and then it did
@@defensivekobra3873 *she/they
@@russellmarch4983 gamechamp3000 is trans? Did not know that, good for them i guess
@@defensivekobra3873 Wait do you mean that it happened as in that Mario Sunshine was rereleased on Switch with major graphical glitches? Because if you are referring to that, well it didn’t get rereleased on Switch with those glitches.
The beginning of this video aged gloriously
And now the switch port is about to be Purged..
3d all stars isnt that broken
@@elliotmidgley if you use the turbo nozzle there is an effect of water on the screen and it wasn't changed for the wide screen added to the switch version unless it got updated
@@LuigiFan77 That’s still nowhere near as bad as how Gamechamp described Sunshine glitching out or how Sony ports over their old games
I seriously CANNOT get over how you literally predicted the future here. An apocalyptic world where a botched port of sunshine comes to switch and Nintendo sweeps it under the rug. IT HAPPENED EXACTLY POINT FOR POINT.
“Imagine it’s some apocalyptic future and super mario sunshine got a port for the switch”
“He can see things before they happen. It’s a Jedi trait”
Right when he started it I started laughing. Are these guys giving game companies ideas. Because I bought the collection for 60 bucks and I just really don't feel like it was worth that for an upscaled port running on an emulator. Convenience I guess
But was the game as bad as Gamechamp predicted?
He also predicted the smo metro kingdom Crc glitch HE’S A TIME LORD
@@dragonsswarm1987 Not *as* bad but at launch it was pretty insulting. It got fixed thankfully.
"He deserves more than a slave's life."
“Super Mario Sunshine got a port for the Switch”
Everyone rn: Yes
I was just about to comment the exact same thing
The funny thing is that it kinda is apocalyptic
@@drummajorsam4248 kinda? it is
Don’t forget: “in some apocalyptic future”
And it's and apocalyptic future!
“They ruined the silent hill collection with the HD re release!”
Sony: “hold my beer.”
To be fair The Silent Hill Collection was more them being suuuuuuuuper stupid and not having the hindsight to keep the original codes for the games. The reason those were wonky was cause Konami threw out the originals and the team had to basically rebuild the games from a beta build of the games, not helped that most of the people who worked on the games had left by that point.
This is why it's important to keep original hardware and software. A lot of companies don't really give a damn when it comes down to accurate representation or emulation
PC has almost 100% backward compatibility for all the games released for it. You just need to enable "compatibility mode " for some of the older ones.
True that! I thought Microsoft cared with Halo, then I found out the reason Halo CE looked 'off' was because they used the buggy PC port instead of the original version. That's why textures are flat and transparent objects don't work properly.
Nintendo definitely keeps good emulation as far as I know. It's a good company.
I still have a working PS2 with many games for Playstation 1 and 2.
@@ordinarychef piracy is still wrong.
“Imagine it’s some apocalyptic future and Super Mario Sunshine just got a port for the switch.” *Looks at 2020 and the rumors* Gamechamp is a time traveler?!
Kinda disappointed you didn't mention microsoft's efforts to bring classic games back. Not only can you use the same disc you bought many years ago, but these games run as intended with higher resolutions and more consistent framerates...that's the standard sony should be held to. This is unacceptable.
I probably should have, but I don't have an Xbox One yet so I wouldn't be able to record footage directly~ I plan on getting one for Kingdom Hearts 3, since assuming Square does their port right the XOX version will be the most feature-complete.
But yeah, Microsoft's been mostly hugely good about their past library. Xbox 1 support came out of nowhere and is kind of mind blowing. Like, they could have easily gotten away with just not allowing original Xbox games in the disc tray and selling them digital-only, but they went the extra mile. And from what I've seen, 360 games outright run better on the Xbox One, as well.
Wait, why would the Xbox version of KH3 be the most feature-complete?
The Xbox One X version, just by virtue of that being the most technically capable console Kingdom Hearts 3 will come out on. "Feature-complete" probably wasn't the best word to use. I guess just "framerateyest".
Oh, right. I thought Square was up to their usual anti-consumer shenanigans, putting extra modes on it or something.
Yeah it's incredibly impressive. The work theyre doing on enhancing 360 and original xbox games is better than some remasters do. And it's free upgrades!
The saddest thing about this is that Sony might actually fix these bugs... because someone called them out. If you didn't make this video, they would still know, but wouldn't give a shit
The Ps3 version has many of these same bugs to. They did two ports of all the first three and still let it out like that. Even Jak one had some weird moments were stuff just didn't add up. Looks like my ass is going hunting for a ps2 version of these games.
The hash slinging slasher. I can only hope the prices went waaaaay down after these re-releases. I hope you find d these games at a reasonable price
I don't notice any of these bugs in the ps3 versions; and I play them constantly. The only bug I've noticed is what the notorious punch bug where you punch and you sometimes go a different direction.
MegaDrain Although a bit closer to PS4, there might not be any bugs. But a few, it’s like in the middle.
Edit: Actually, I don’t know, I never played any of the games, but I guess it’s in the middle.
I hope so.
I kinda already got the idea that Sony had no respect for their legacy when they needed to be raked through the coals in order to convince them to actually have PS1-era characters in Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale, and all we got for it was Parappa and Sir Daniel.
This adds fuel to that thought.
(and Spike and Sweet Tooth and Heihachi and Toro)
(Metal Gear predates the PS1, too, though not the specific character representing it)
(plus the final boss is PS1-era promotional material)
+Cynical Joker But they all (except Metal Gear...Unless we say 'Solid' specifically) started on the PS1. So even if Crash and Spyro were in the game, by your own logic you would still be complaining about lack of legacy representation since their last games at the time of All-Stars release, regardless of whether people liked them or not, would have been released on last gen consoles (PS3/360/Wii.../Wii U), not PS1 (yes, I'm calling Skylanders a Spyro game, because it technically is).
It probably has more to do with licencing that Spyro and Crash weren't in All-Star as like many Sony exclusives from the PS1, Sony doesn't necessarily hold the rights for them, the PS1 was just the only console capable of having those games at the time (back when consoles were physically very different, unlike now where there's no real reason a PS4 and Xbox One can't play the same games)...Much like how Final Fantasy was never truly a Nintendo exclusive, Nintendo just had the hardware to run it, until they didn't.
True that you could say the same for like half of the cast, but that could be for a variety of reasons. I would personally say looking at the licence holders that Universal/Activision probably expected way to much for them to use the characters since they are greedy bastards....Especially since Sir Daniel was in there. It's hard to imagine they would include him but not Crash and Spyro if possible/plausible because he was a pretty niche character.
This is why Smash works for Nintendo. They own the rights for all their exclusive characters, so it's only ever going to be a small handful of 'guest' characters that may not make it into a sequel. Sony hasn't always done that.
The worst part was seeing Spike being his form from an unreleased outside Japan unpopular sequel as advertising, similarly Dan while faithful had his stage be the awful modern remake of level 1, similarly we got Raiden instead of Snake just to advertise Rising
We could have had Smash Bros sony, instead we got a giant ad board
Edit: also no Crash or Spyro, which ironically got bought back by naughty dog now
Crash and Spyro were unofficial PS1 Mascots though. Sony didn't own them, and PSASBR tried to get them in the game but Activision owned them.
Many games that started on the PS1 were represented in PSASBR, the fact that they had sequels on the PS2 and PS3 doesn't invalidate that.
Both of these arguments, being Kiddo and Cynical Joker, are ridiculous.
@6lettersshadow
Crash and Spyro absolutely did not get bought back by Naughty Dog, I don't know where you heard that but don't spread that false info around.
N Sane Trilogy was a huge success for Activision, there's no way they'd sell it.
Better point: why is there no sunshine port for the switch?
*edit: apr 7, 2021
As I said, "why is there no sunshine port on the switch?"
Branden Hicks Answer: VIRTUAL CONDOLE
Landfill Gaming *_C O N D O L E_*
Optillian oops lmfao
#Condole
Spread the word.
Branden Hicks #Condole
Eh. Nothing beats the worst re-release of all time:Sonic 1 on the GBA
Bluster The Benevolent very true
Bluster The Benevolent Yeah, you're not wrong.
well there's.......
I got nothing.
Or Jak and Daxter on Vita...
WH250398 played that and it was shit. Have they never heard of downscaleing because it lagged harder then me playing brawl online on a laptop in china
It's funny how you can take a game that worked perfectly fine when it was originally released, and then re-release it a couple years later on newer "better" hardware/software and have it be broken. xD
LightningBlaze100 yeah porting sucks like that sometimes. Especially when you're going from architecture as different as the ps2 or ps3 to the PS4. It's not an easy process, but at the same time it's a process that's often auctioned out to 3rd parties.
Different architecture, coding shortcuts/solutions that had to be taken at the time due to memory issues. Technical limitations to screen resolutions and set-ups changing. It all adds up
LightningBlaze100 yeah, just like GTA San Andreas, the original ps2 and xbox version runs perfectly, the pc version lacked a lot of the ps2 version content, but the 360 version completely ruined the game, it's full of glitches and framedrops
raze2012 not to mention that some of the issues would take a while to notice, they aren't gonna find every little visual or audio glitch in the game. And after a while they won't even update it cause it just doesn't make sense.
Limitations to screenresolutions? boi the highest resoultion people are playing their PS4 games are 1080p or less, the heck
Man, why didn't Sony just take the PS3 HD collection version and port that version to PS4 instead? The PS3 build ran smoothly when I played those... Its right there Sony/Naughty Dog!
kairili funny enough the ps3 collection was notorious for glitches as well.
CynicallyDistorted I never had any...
Played through it and never experienced a single glitch..
replayed them all recently with 3 bugs to note.
the punch glitch, got it only 4 times across all 3 games (never in Jak1)
That green sun/light in the sky is missing in gameplay but is still in some cutscenes.
Kor's face texture glitching out in one of the last cutscenes. This is a ps3 exclusive glitch apparently and only happens the 1st time that scene loads. (Jak2)
Honestly, how hard is it to hire someone to replay test older games when they port it to the new console.
Holy shit i'm 10 seconds in and i'm in that apocalyptic future and Super Mario Sunshine did get a port to the Switch. Bruh, you called it!
“Imagine in some apocalyptic future sunshine got a port for the switch” apocalypse check, sunshine check. She just predicted 2020
Lesson for everyone: just get the PS3 trilogy release of the jak trilogy.
I brought the PS4 versions on release stupidly thinking that they would be EXACTLY like the PS2 versions. (How wrong I was) So I sold my PS3 version. Play Jak 1 (fair enough no problems) but go on to Jak 2 and get hit buy all the bugs even after the newest patch released in March 2019 so what do I do? I buy the PS3 version ... again
Seems shortly after the Jak rereleases Sony stopped the PS2 program on PS4 entirely. Very irritating since I enjoyed the PSOne classic line on PS3 and hoped for something similar for PS4 but they literally stopped caring about their legacy for some idiotic reason...
So, they can backwards compatibility because they wanna sell you your old games, but then they stop selling you your old games, too....?
Wait until it's modded, only thing I can tell ya
Hate to say it but new games are what most people want. Old games are limited right off the bat because of old hardware and old software. Complaining is the idiotic thing like demanding Nintendo to constantly release old games digitally on every single console and handheld.
Maybe they're just putting the program on hold until they can work out the kinks.
SeafoamGaming Its now all coming to PSNow.
Why care about your legacy when you have graphically intense cinematic experiences?
2:24 I know this is just a minor thing to point out, but the ®-symbol means "registered", not "restricted".
Gamechamp, it isn't JUST sony though. Squareenix has been having this same problem for a while now. It goes not just from remasters and rereleases, but to simple straight ports. Chrono Trigger rerelease on steam, The secret of mana remaster, Nier: automata, and 2014's thief: All of these are (well, to varying degrees) broken, buggy, glitchy, and just all around bad releases.
Which is a shame: I was looking forward to playing chrono trigger on my pc (unemulated, you know what I mean); a remake of secret of mana, a title that I, and many others, loved and held dearly for the super nintendo? Sign me up, what could go wrong?; One of the highlight games from last year, praised all around, why not give it a go?; a reboot of a highly successful and critically acclaimed series? Why shouldn't we try it out?
I love square's games and series. Who doesn't? But these are shameful releases, chrono trigger is a straight port of the *IOS* version of chrono trigger, not even the original game. When the completionist did the secret of mana remaster, it crashed on him over *30* times (which is simply ludicrous), I PERSONALLY had nier:automata completely crash and had to restart twice within like, 3-4 hours, which is actually painful because of the saving system in the game. And thief? wow, where to even start. Let's just go with cutscenes playing, but not playing the audio AND making the subtitles flash for half a second each.
I'm frustrated with these bad ports and remasters, not just sony's or square's, but in general. It IS unnacceptable, full stop, but they aren't showing any signs of slowing down and FIXING their games. Heck, in nier's case, that was left up to the fans to develop a fan patch (which doesn't entirely fix everything, but it is a FAN fixing THEIR game, so, you can't expect the world out of it.
This video is more focused on classic games being ported to modern platforms. While it's certainly annoying, I consider it less concerning when a new game like the Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana remakes are broken than a port of a preexisting title. The remakes are clearly distinct from the original games, and will be judged on their flaws separately from the original; a port, meanwhile, is a direct representative of the original. A good game unfairly given bad representation, as opposed to a bad game rightfully earning its bad reputation.
When it comes to ports; Square has done the best I've seen in gaming. The Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy collections had significant effort put in to make them the definitive releases of each included game (Kingdom Hearts 2's drive load times being the only major faux pas).
As far as I know, chrono trigger is a port of a port, but I digress.
And that's fair. I guess I just have a bigger bone to pick with quality control of larger studios in general. And that's fair, square HAS done good ports, and a good number of them, but it's a lot easier to remember the bad and frustrating ones.
Gamechamp3000 I remember seeing somewhere that the KH HD releases are actual built from the ground up, which would I think, counts more of a remake than a port.
Yeah, Chrono Trigger's steam release was, to my knowledge:
A direct port from the mobile port of the DS remake of Chrono Trigger.
(It might have been a mobile remake, not a port of the DS. Not 100%)
Which means it was originally a remake, but the ports are of the arguably definitive edition of the game. So I think it'd count as " A good game unfairly given bad representation, as opposed to a bad game rightfully earning its bad reputation."
That was specific to Kingdom Hearts 1, and rather than them being "built from the ground up" it was that they'd lost the original game files and had to jerryrig it by ripping everything they needed from a retail disc. Still, a substantial undertaking, and evidence of how much more effort went into that collection than most others.
Nintendo cares about quality of 1st party games due to Atari crashing the NA games market citing lack of quality control as reasons why
According to Hiroshi Yamauchi
Can confirm in regards to the cited reason, at least to validly reference and implicitly true. Atari started getting not only really bad quality games, but some of them got outright pretty inappropriate. (I'm aware that at least one deliberate porno game exists) It was bad enough that what got NES to sell in NA was it being a toy, thanks to ROB, something that didn't seem to exist for the Famicom. This is also why NES games got seals of approval, so families can know what games were safe buys, though from what I hear, some game devs produced fake superficially similar seals so that they could dodge Nintendo's check point but still get an NES game on the market. (Nothing in the law says you can't make an unwanted product for a system, apparently)
PS4 versions of PS2 games work through emulation.
The issues you mentioned also exist in the PCSX2 emulated version of Jak 2 when running the game in hardware mode.
The only way to emulate the game without those graphical issues is the run it exactly how the PS2 originally rendered it, resolution and all.
What is hardware mode?
@@stefanradebach2889 Using a Renderer API like DirectX11, OpenGL, or Vulkan to name a few.
@@sd19delta16 Oh i see. In that case then i have two more questions: how does all of that work and if one should run an emulated game originally then how does one do that and what would the difference be between it and hardware?
@@stefanradebach2889 Hardware renderers render the emulated graphics using the GPU while software mode renders everything purely through the CPU since an emulator is just computing the console's hardware itself.
@@sd19delta16 I see. In that case if i used software mode then would the graphics be strictly limited to PS2 standards of how it was? Because that's the way it sounds like to me.
Ooooh that intro did not age well whatsoever.
It did. For as lazy as 3d all stars is, in functional terms, the game works just as it should
@@Real_Scott_Pilgrim You just admitted it was lazy, whereas the video seems to imply that Nintendo would put all the care in the world to any port. Jak II on PS4 is functional too, but has a lot of issues. Hence, poorly aged intro.
@@shlakenjake Do not even think of comparing 3D All Stars to Jak 2 PS4’s issues. 3D All Stars is lazy, but for fucks sake, it still functions the exact same way as the originals did. I sure as hell don’t remember Mario’s leg randomly disappearing in 3D All Stars that’s for sure.
@@Rediscool9Three years late to that buddy-boi. This video implies that Nintendo would put all the care in the world into anything Mario-related, so Jak is taken out of the equation, the port was lazy.
Well...better play these games on an emulator ! An actual emulator
(Or a ps2)
Or a modded PS3/4
Last time I tried playing Jak 2 on pcsx2, it ran horribly. Maybe it's better now, who knows.
Fwha yea they need to optimize the emulator with updates
So some games run perfectly some run horrible
This is my expirence on a Mac
MAC KNACK
The ps3 verson of jak2 and 3 work fine. Not sure about psx2 last time i checked all character didnt have eye
HyperTwister no you don't
It depends on the games or the emulators
Some PS2 games work flawlessly some don't
Or the dolphin emulator where it works on a potato PC
“When we’ve dabbled with backwards compatibility, I can say it is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much,”
“That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?” - Jim Ryan, President of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe
Sony would much rather pointlessly remake an entire game's graphical style so they can charge you way too much for a game you probably already bought from PSN or in an HD Collection on the PS3 anyways. They have absolutely no respect for their own legacy.
No way the president of SCEE said that
time.com/4804768/playstation-4-ps4-pro-psvr-sales/ A little past the half-way mark.
Why would you buy a $300 console for a collection of games you already own
HyperTwister he's talking about the ps4
They appeal to fanboys now. They don't have a history with Sony unless they can let them pocket off it as much as possible.
This happened with Sly Cooper as well! Mz.Ruby, a rhythm based boss didn’t have the audio synchronized. A RHYTHM BASED BOSS, had out of synch audio. I might as well play guitar hero on mute like a psycho.
Sony killed the LittleBigPlanet series by rushing its third game :(
Graciela Tieko Yamasaki The game wasn't that bad
The problem isn't that LBP3 is bad (it's amazing!), the problem is that when it was release it had so many bugs that like 70% of the LBP community left, and then even more left as time passed
Hubert Przybylowski if they do LBP4 I’m hoping it’s for PS5 by the original developers. I own LBP3 and I barely played it, LBP2 was at my friends house half an hour out of town and I played it every day for a whole summer. Moral of the story is adulthood sucks, let me be a child again Sony.
To be honest, I never had a problem with LBP3. It ran SUUUPER smooth. Same with the other two, I own all three and they aren’t at all glitchy.
wow... I didn't even noticed! the game was sooo incredible in the youtubes... uh quality thing? I don't know if the game has some problems or not!
5:32 OH GOD WHAT IS THIS
What we had seen shall never be unseen
It's a feature
please never play the PS2 games on PS3, play them in their original beautiful glory on PS2
To paraphrase gamechamp in a previous video: "this is of the level of quality we encourage here at sony"
Thudnfer What you see in Sleep Paralysis 😨😨
Having played the Deadlocked PS3 port, I have seen this myself firsthand and it is absolutely as bad as Champ says it is. I’m fortunate I played the PS2 years before so that I could see it in all its glory and not whatever the hell this is.
Whoa, those ports are actually a thing? I always thought that Sony was a good rival for Nintendo, but now I'm wondering if they l keep publishing games.
Well even Bluepoint, "Master of the Remaster," had their port of MGS3 launch with buggy prerendered cutscenes. Any of the ones that don't use ingame models. Many companies tend to screw up ports, whether it be getting them to run natively on new hardware, or via emulaton
But hey, they also tend not to charge 60 bucks for single game remasters either
snakevenom56 virtual console?
The PS2 is a difficult console to emulate and the one time they tried to have their system backwards compatible with it they got into some deep financial trouble
E-ManAnimates do you know why they would be rivals?
+Cianitris Khhours
There are a handful of reasons, but the two big ones are that Sony has a respectable roster of IPs and their hardware is rather impressive.
The frame drops were a huge problem too. Every time you walked into the bar in Jak II the frames drop like crazy. The game definitely isn't a fluid as it used to be. You would expect that it would run better on a PS4 but boy we were wrong. My favorite games to play as a kid just irritated the fuck out of me. Great video man.
4:03 No, the PSVita version is the worst one.
Yes >20fps
@@LakoIsFun if your lucky, you can play in 10 fps.
Eh, it ran poorly. it was just like the original just with a lower frame rate.
For VG Myths, can you beat Sonic without going fast?
Edit: Nvm do the Mr Nice Guy SMO run, made my me.
Beat the main story without hurting living things, crates, just don’t take or touch anything that’s not yours. Also don’t scare off birds as minimum as absolutely possible. :)
gOTta GO feSt
Just play the game as you would normaly. You don't go fast anyway
simple, just play sonic boom
That’s literally all sonic games :)
Grimdrome You sound just like you want a Sonic Game where the character goes too fast to even see it.
One more Idea for VG Myths: Can you beat The Legend of Zelda: BotW without using Melee Weapons?
You can still use Bows, Shields, Bombs etc. But you're not allowed to swing a melee Weapon. (optionally tue ending)
additional challenge: never PICK UP a Weapon, so you can enjoy the Attack Tutorial screen after beating ganon.
"Link, the legendary swordsm-
I think he got brain damage from being dead. He can't hold a sword anymore."
3:15
That is exactly why it's hard to do. As a rule of thumb the more impressive a game is for the hardware the more specialized it is to it and the harder it's to emulate. That's not always the case of course but in many instances it is.
Somehow, we actually got an HD port of super mario sunshine. Except it came out in the mid - apocolypse instead of the post - apocolypse
Coming back here to witness how the man predicted the future of the Mario 3D collection for the switch.
When I played on the PS4 the opening credit sequence before the title that shows the companies that helped were all on black screens.
My biggest issue with the remaster of the jack series is they didn’t even give an announcement for its release. One day it was out... it’s almost like they didn’t want anyone to buy it once it was out.
Got Destroy All Humans 2 on Ps4. Brother was surprised and wanted to play with me since we loved the heck out of the game on Ps2. Started up game and everything working till we got to the spaceship. Graphical error registers everytime player 2 fires weapons. Graphical error is so big it covers player 2's vision and is visible on player 1's screen. Makes two player while in spaceship virtually unplayable for player 2 and annoying for player 1.
Haven't touched the game since even though rest of game seems fine so far....
For VG Myths:
Can you finish Super Mario 3D World without jumping?
I'm pretty sure it's possible, I tried it with a few friends and we managed to get way further than we expected just by abusing the bubble and cat power-up and throwing each other.
Bahaaaa, I never even considered abusing co-op for challenges in that game, and that sounds super fun -- especially since I'd have to insist on using both controllers solo. I'm close to 100%ing it on my first casual playthrough, I might have to look into that!
Gamechamp3000
It is REALLY hard though, the autumn/fall level in World 3, Spike level in World 4 and the fuzzy level in World 6 will take a while.
But it's also a lot of fun, it's totally worth trying
This is so heat breaking after watching the behind the scenes of the jak games. They put so many years into the game and naughty dog really loved their games. Damn you Sony.
1:27 lol I was readjusting my earphones because I thought the crackling was my earphones
2018: Sony's Got A Problem.
2020: Nintendo's Got A Problem.
Yah 3d Allstars was pretty bad. "Nintendo wouldn't release their games in this state" Nintendo have proven that statement wrong.
@@theninjamaster67 At the VERY LEAST they did fix all of the major issues with the game. But the way it launched made me reconsider if Nintendo actually made good games at all.
@@torchthe62nd63 Yah but Nintendo has plenty else wrong with them this just happens to be one of the latest in a long list for instance the drama with the Smash Bros community and the Splatoon community.
@@theninjamaster67 I didn't get 3D all stars. It was limited time and I objected to that.
(and didn't have significant enough nostalgia for mario anyway.)
6:12 That lypsync + your voice looks so good lol
Suprised he managed to choose the best moment
Even in the original Jak 2 (which I played with my brother a few times) there was only, like, one glitch where no one spawned in one of the cars. That's it.
Pikmin on Wii had many 4:3 elements stretched to 16:9, so the idea that Nintendo would never do that is incorrect.
I still can't believe that the PS3 version of Ratchet Deadlocked is that bad. Idolminds is anything but competent when it comes to porting games. They did a "OK" job with the Ratchet Trilogy, but with Deadlocked...just no.
Well, at least the PS3 version of the Jak Collection works well (minus the punch glitch) and isn't completly fucked over by incompetent people who didn't give a damn.
I wouldn't say ok job, Clank's shadow on Ratchet is entirely missing except for his arms and hands, it's an improved shadow over the PS2's blocky mess but it's incredibly ugly not to mention the widescreen is beyond lazy, the widescreen on PCSX2 is more well made
The framerate and controls seem solid to me on R:D PS3.
The ps2 version of secret agent clank
The damn, punching in the PS3 trilogy!!!!! Killed me countless times!!!!!
Still love the HD trilogy tho :P
apocalyptic future: well a pandemic is here, so... kinda
sunshine port: yes
10 days later
sunshine port: Executed, Forever the scalper’s paradise.
@@chickennugget6684 sad face
I've been wanting to pick up the HD jak collection for a while, but I guess I won't be anymore. Thanks for the warning
Uh oh! Looks like the ports on the next gen consoles didn't quite get polished enough.
Also at 5:29 while watching the buggy cuteness, watching you say "Ratchet face turns inside out!" While his face dose it was the most funniest thing I have ever saw in your video
Yo, Jack and Ratchet and Clank were my childhood. They better fix it.
Crash bandicoot without breaking a crate
I was expecting you to show the part in the Sly 3 remaster when General Tsao throws down a smoke bomb and is supposed to jump completely off screen except you can see half of his body still.
Something I immediately noticed when I got the PS3 port of the three Ratchet and Clank games is that the images on the back of the disk's cover box did not make sense. under the title: "Ratchet and Clank up your arsenal" it showed a gloriuos picture of Ratchet and Clank (1)! the other two were not different. not a SINGLE ONE of these pictures had the right title above it! the selection screen you show in the video also shows a photograph from Ratchet and Clank: All 4 one... which is not a selectable title of course. There was a LOT that wasn't done right and because I grew up with the series I immedately noticed everything that was wrong in the port... It really distracted me from the actual game.
"Can you beat the longest kirby game without eating?"
Which Is?
DID GAMECHAMP JUST PREDICT THE FUTURE?!
Yep. That's a problem. Not only the quality thing, but Sony has also been inactive on using the IPs for the top three best platform game franchises from the PS2 era (except for Ratchet and Clank).
One time I played Jak II and the rest of the town map didn't load. So, I ended up driving my vehicle into the void. I was flying in the voice with a sky box.
How did you feel?
Was that funny or... strange? :/
You do have to realize that the Jak & Daxter games (along with Ratchet & Clank) were developed using a custom programming language/assembly lisp made by Naughty Dog (Ratchet & Clank ran on the same tech as Jak with several tweaks by Insomniac) and were designed specifically for the PlayStation 2.
Simply trying to port it to a system it was not designed for is easier said than done since the developers of these ports have to work with the programming language used in the original games and get in working order for current generation systems, and because of this, it's almost never a 1-to-1 port of the original.
The problem isn't that they weren't able to get the game to run; the problem is that they're selling the game under the false pretense that they DID get the game to run. The game is in such a state that it shouldn't be available for sale in the first place, and even if they were absolutely dead-set on releasing it, it should feature much more specific and overt warnings as to its stability to purchasers; instead, it has a trailer that acts as if the game is better than ever and a vague disclaimer that gives the impression any issues are small and infrequent.
Can you beat Mega Man without shooting? (Excluding bosses)
It's great to see someone with this big an audience use it for important things like this. Thanks, GameChamp!
Not to mention, in the sly collection the Mz Ruby fight in the first game is completely bugged and the Ratchet Deadlocked port has awful audio glitches and the frame rate will drop down to about 5fps frequently
I like how the 3DS has GBA and DS hardware built in it and smoothly emulates NES and GB/GBC and the N3DS smoothly emulates SNES as well but the PS4 can’t play PS2 games correctly
3ds doesn't have a GBA chip in it at all, the original DS CPU just emulated/acted as one
MARIO WORLD that’s essentially what I meant. it doesn’t have the same chip a GBA has but it has the same chip a DS has which has hardware in it that acts like a GBA chip
Either way it’s still hardware that was made for and optimized to run GBA games how they play on the real console 1:1 without having to virtually recreate the hardware like normal emulation and explaining all of that is apart from my point which is why I didn’t go into detail
no, original DS hardware had GBA hardware in it, the 3ds is just using software emulation and the did a bad job at it too (look at how many limitations are present, but it's accurate)
What about OG Xbox AND Xbox 360 emulation on Xbox One?
It's pretty much flawless!
ThePreciseClimber I have no idea because I don’t own one
I don’t think it’s quite the system’s fault I think it’s just the people porting it who don’t work hard enough to optimize it to run properly I was just making a lil jab at Sony I wasn’t entirely serious with this
Kirby without eating, I'm waiting haha
ShiroShima Kirby: Mass Attack?
kirby epic yarn?
ShiroShima Pretty much every spinoff?
ShiroShima The first Kirby game? The ability to actually eat the enemies aka the copy ability, the staple of the franchise wasn't around until the second game
Gamechamp already made a Kirby video recently, my wish was granted :)
I actually had few graphical glitches for Jak 2 in the PS4 release. I had a slight twitch every once in a while but for the most part it ran really solidly for me
I had the same issue with the canis canem edit port for ps4 with frame rate, lag and sound quality in sections of the game.
Why do people keep saying the intro aged horribly??? 3D all stars has some problems - the limited selling window, the lack of improvements or new content, the high price point... but the port job was the ONE THING they got RIGHT! Sure, 64 is a bit dissappinting but even that is absolutely not WORSE then the original - and the other 2 games, sunshine especially, both work great and LOOK great - even with sunshine being widescreen now, nothing is stretched, it all looks nice. Only issue with the port i recall hearing of is the dev cubes in the bonus levels, and those look normal, a new player would never know its an issue unless told so. The one thing that 3d all starts did well is just making the games playable on switch, and also making the definitive official way to play them. Fans have done better, sure, but comparing this to sonys laughable ports is honesty crazy. Well... theres the recent nso n64 games - yeah, those are problemtic, cant excuse those, but even those games (which get way less indivisual attention as theyre part of an ever expanding subscription), while being overpriced and kinda broken, still work far better then what we see in this video.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who acknowledges how stupid the blind hate for 3D All Stars is. Is 3D All Stars an extremely lazy product made as a quick cash grab? Oh absolutely. But, does it contain completely botched and overly glitchy versions of 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy? HECK NO! If anything they are objectively IMPROVED versions of those games albeit with extremely minor improvements.
“Nintendo cares about their image” *Nintendo made online play cost money*
This video is what got me to finally emulate games. Jak2 was my absolutely favorite game of the palystation 2 era. and now with the updated emulator and a good bios a nice rom, and whatnot, you can play widescreeen... upscaled... original jak2 on todays hardware.
I didn't even notice some of those when I played it back in December
6:40 Random Guy: Ok, I'm just gonna watch this depressed girl walk in place here...
8 seconds later
Random Guy: Well I guess I'm bored now, might as well do something different...
Beat Kirby star allies without flying. It’s super tough, but I’ve been trying and world 1 IS possible, if not very tough.
Did You Complete It?
That's weird, man. I played the Jak games through the Jak and Daxter Trilogy on PS3 and, as far as I could tell, it was flawless.
Seems like things didn't go as smoothly on PS4, for some reason...
I remember why I played the Ratchet and Clank HD Collection on PS2. It was my introduction to the series. I played the first two games five times each. I played the third game once before backtracking to the first two. I played quite a few rounds of the online multiplayer, had a blast, and decided to go back to playing Going Commando for a while. When I came back to Up Your Arsenal, the save data for the single player was deleted. Also, my console would freeze every time I played the online multiplayer for more than a few hours.
When I played the game over, I got to my fifth and final playthrough. After buying the R3NO, I went off to Metropolis. In Metropolis, I went to the store and bought a whole bunch of items that were for sale. When I opened up the menu, quite a few glitch weapons were unlocked. I decided to play along (I'm not a judgmental guy), as well as level them up. I went to use a weapon called Paradox ERR. My game froze and I restarted the console. I trudged my way through the game and ended up getting to the final boss against Dr. Nefarious. My Nanotech was down to five, the original amount from the start of the game, despite my having upgraded my Nanotech to the highest level. The skybox was way smaller when I was dropping down at the beginning, and I was unable to avoid any of the missiles that were being thrown into the air. Upset that I had gone this far and was unable to beat the game, I decided to look up solutions online.
I found that the only solution to the Paradox ERR glitch was to open up a debug menu and delete the weapon that was the cause of the whole issue. I was appalled by how Idol Minds were so incompetent that they managed to insert a feature that was not in the original release, and overlook it through development. I decided to keep the collection for the online multiplayer and travel to a Mom and Pop Shop, where I bought the PS2 version of Up Your Arsenal and beat the single-player that way.
Idol Minds is one of the worst companies in the history of gaming. They are worse than ActiVision with how little effort they put into their content. The only reason to buy the PS3 collection is the online multiplayer. Probably, the only reason why Sony or whatever sap ported the Jak collection did not add the online multiplayer to Jak X is because they wanted to eliminate any chance of some normie playing the collection and ruining Naughty Dog's reputation.
poor sly :(
Try beating gannon with a korok leaf
Stumptiscool 007 it does. It does 1 damage.
Spider boy & spider bear *Ganon
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I never understood why they would re-release the PS2 version when they had a remastered PS3 version for the 3 games. And then they won’t release a proper remaster because they think people were uninterested, when actually it’s just because we didn’t want to buy a malfunctioning PS2 emulated version.
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Well I was shocked
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ah whatever...
It's because of the emulator their using sucks and does all kinds of unintentional visual bugs. This happens as well on PS3 and yes it could run fine but Sony is probably unaware of it to begin with.
How is Sony not aware of it?
FlutteryFlower Sony unaware
What?
Its kinda funny cuz similiar glitches happen if you tried putting the actual ps2 disks in the early gen Ps3s that had backwards compatibility.
Its like....did they even try for this "made-for-ps3" version?
That's interesting. I dont remember anything like that happening on my copy when I bought it on my PS4 system. Though I would guess that if that's happening to yours it would have been happening to mine as well. That's really strange.
Yep me too bought it two weeks ago and I wasn't I expected.
*Meanwhile in space*
Sony, we've got a problem
Gotta agree w/ this 100%. It’s inexcusable already because they’re charging for it, but it’s downright sad when I look at what Xbox is doing w/ back compat for free. Hopefully the inevitable PS5 re-re-release will run better. :/
The problem isn't that it's just sony, or such, but sometimes the devlopers as well. Look at square enix, the steam release of chrono trigger, secret of mana, nier automata, and 2014's thief. They range from bad to broken ports, all of them.
Chrona Trigger Oh absolutely. It’s absurd how many publishers/studios are putting out half-effort ports of older games nowadays. I singled out Xbox since they seem to be the only one doing emulation-style ports right, and doing it consistently. (And they’re doing it for free. Lol)
Gamechamp3000 I had a similar situation and honestly I'm glad you spoke up that's what a lot of us fans need to do to get Sony to hopefully listen. Anyway I was feeling a bit nostalgic and so I bought on PSN Rogue Galaxy one of my favorite action RPG's for PS2. In the description it said that the PS4 could emulate games faithfully but that some things might be different from the Original PS2 version. I guess by different things they ment glitches because I stumbled across a few of them like the sound popping up when loading a game or opening the menu and framerate drops here & there but the game is playable for the most part although it did crash on me once. So I called Sony to get a refund but they said its not possible once they game is downloaded after purchase and I tried a few times after that explaining my situation thoroughly and even asking for a supervisor but they still flatout said NO! apparenly they're very Draconian with their non refund policy. Now I get that Sony likes to focus more on the here and now but still they can make a lot of money through older games too so I hope Sony takes a page from Nintendo and Improves their classic games lineup now & for the future cause us fans like to take a trip down Nostalgia lane every one and a while.
I also noticed a weird effect on the characters in Ratchet Deadlocked, where the character models look like they are expanding and contracting at random.
more glitch2
Oh god, it's the apocalypse and Super Mario Sunshine is getting a port to the Switch.
Here's hoping you're not 3 for 3
I feel like part of the issues with Jak 2 on the PS4 is how the compatibility of emulating PS2 games on PS4 is limited compared to PC.
The wiki site for PS2 compatibility emulation on PS4 shows how limited and difficult it is to emulate PS2 games on the PS4.
The Jak and Daxter games have such complex coding and were so tailored around the original PS2 hardware, including the fact that it had a built in PS1 in it, that even Naughty Dog themselves have admitted that porting them properly is a herculean feat. So im not the least bit surprised that these ports have so many issues--that theyre even running at all is a miracle. The Ratchet and Clank games are in a similar situation too...
This really makes the xbones backcompat program even more impressive
Anne Schultz Just get the PS3 Jak & Daxter HD Trilogy, very smooth, except for punching can sometimes send you in the wrong direction
Wow that is awful what did they port a scratched discs
Gaming Warlord Ironically my scratched disc copy plays better than this
Those sorts of glitches are usually caused by porting the game from one engine to a different engine. Porting games causes things in the game to be optimized way differently, and if the game isn't re-written to perform well on the new engine, the game will likely lag profusely, or exhibit graphical and audio glitches.
I played this game on PS4 quite a good while before this video was released, and I didn’t notice any of these issues. I also played it on PS2, don’t fret, but I never actually beat it on PS2. The first and only time I have beat Jak II was on PS4.
Beat Sonic mania without spinning
The problem doesn't stem from apathy at sony, it stems from sony not being the developers of Jak, Ratchet, Sly, or almsot any games. They aren't like nintendo where they build their hardware specifically to tailor to the games that they remake. Look at any 3rd party port ups on Nintendo consoles and you see the same level of care as Sony takes. The difference is that Nintendo gas dealt with "remastering" exclusively 1st party games.
Sony, as the owner of the Jak and Daxter IP and publisher of the franchise, makes all final decisions on how they release the games. If the developer they hire doesn't turn in a satisfactory project, they're under no obligation to release it as-is.
Gamechamp3000 except obligations to their share holders to push a project for little to no cost.
Naughty Dog is part of Sony, so Sony is the developer of Jak & Daxter. Same for Sly. Also, their re-releases on PS3 of Jak trilogy, Sly trilogy and Ratchet & Clank trilogy were good (not as good as Nintendo's re-releases, but good overall), is not like Sony couldn't make it, they just lowered their standards.
Nintendo doesn't "build their hardware specifically to tailor to the games that they remake", they chose their hardware to be able to run well in a handheld device and before the Switch they barely made any remakes because they had backwards compatibility for recent systems and decent emulation for older systems.
Their change in hardware caused this flow in remakes.
@@luisoncpp Sony only acquired the developer of the original Sly Cooper games in 2011 so it isn't 'exactly the same'. At the time of their release Sly Cooper/Ratchet and Clank were second party exclusives not first party.
Of course Sunshine wouldn't release like _that_ , they'd make the camera controls the opposite to how they were originally thus making everyone's muscle memory completely off until they enabled the option to change it back in the Settings.
If I remember right, Naughty Dog actually used the PS1 processor in addition to the PS2's Emotion Engine to simultaneously run the game (Even though they weren't quite supposed to). I wonder if that contributes to some of these issues with emulation. I remember they ran into some roadblocks with that when making the Jak HD Trilogy on PS3
Better whip out the PS2 emulator...