I CONFRONTED A BILLION DOLLAR FRAUD
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- I confronted Safemoon about being a fraud, I spoke to their former CTO "PAPA" aka Thomas Smith.
WATCH THE FULL CALL HERE:
• full 2hr papa call
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This video is an opinion and in no way should be construed as statements of fact. Scams, bad business opportunities, and fake gurus are subjective terms that mean different things to different people. I think someone who promises $100K/month for an upfront fee of $2K is a scam. Others would call it a Napoleon Hill pitch.
I’m a dev too, but I didn’t realize part of my compensation was stealing millions from my org’s investors. Guys I think I’m being underpaid
Pay raise on Monday morning when you go in I can imagine.
@Dreamy Thomas (Papa) probably was in on the whole thing, but my guess is that he was kinda left in the dark on a lot of things, and ended up just following orders (probably was planted as a potential fall guy, but got too popular amongst the "community," but that's just pure speculation). Sadly, we'll probably never know the whole truth about this. I definitely respect him more than most, especially Karony, because he's willing to actually answer hard questions (and not sue his parents lmfao), but I still think he's undoubtedly a guilty party.
@Dreamy bet he was the only one that cot in contact with coffee
@@bobbob-hr5pwwitch makes him the best of a bad bunch
@Dreamy Honesty is relative in this case. Even if he's 90% lying, that's still more "honest" than 100% lying. Doesn't mean he's worth trusting.
I love how he kept trying the "oh man they did that after I left" only to immediately be hit with the dates and that he was still on the team when it happened
great fucking comeback
i wanted to scam until i saw this youtube channel now i learn from these tactics thanks Coffeezilla
@@XXXTentaclez lol you're something else. Coffee zilla is like a real life Bruce Wayne.
hmm you are here... so we can expect it on more pat?
@@mainstream201 Get well soon pal
I remember when safemoon first came out and there was a guy in the chat telling everyone the code isn't written to lock the LP. Everyone attacked him and told him he's full of shit. Bet they feel dumb as hell now
danggg that sucks. people really need to look at facts of the matter before assuming anything. hope hes okay after folks went after him
I bet that guy that was getting hate on now feels like a badass😆
Except the LP is locked...
Crypto community is the worst. Not because people are particularly dumb, no. It's just that confirmation bias exists, and your bias is quite huge if you invested a lot of money into something. Any time you try to just have a conversation and talk about possible issues, worries, they call it FUD and downvote you to hell, because this is outside of their comfort zone.
@@CyberSwitchboard lol
I see he read the gaslighting handbook.
"That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it".
There you go making up words again. Do you even realize how crazy you sound?
"the proof is there you probs cant find it idk but its there"
Isn't this the narcissist handbook? Gaslighting is a bit different - moreso telling someone they are wrong and reality isn't actually how they're perceiving it, because they're crazy.
@@Guntherthefool I see what you did there.
@@Guntherthefool Its both. Gaslighting is a weapon Narcissists often use against people, but its not limited to Narcs. Its basically a big game of mental gymnastics to make a person feel like they’re wrong/mistaken and that the gaslighter is in the right. Any type of manipulative or predatory person/organization can gaslight people.
I like how this guy is talking with you like you two are doing detective work together. Like nah dude, you’re one of the scooby doo villains of this story.
😂😂
"IT WAS GIVEN TO ME..ERR IT WAS SOLD TO ME...ERRRRR I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLASSIFY THAT." ?? Seriously? Lol
Given and sold are the only 2 options. At best a mix of the two.
The dude at 17:30 says "Vola-TAL-ity" lol.. He doesn't even know how to pronounce volatility
Never trust someone that wants you to call them, “Papa”, when they’re not your father.
The pope is the perfect example as to why it's wrong to call a man on earth your father.
@@Mr-pn2eh well, now I would say that it’s fine to call the man that provided half of the DNA, your father.
@@Mr-pn2eh Your father calls me Papi Chulo.
A RUclips chef Joshua Weissman calls himself "Papa" and his bread-related recipes (haven't tried anything else) are bomb lol
I call Papa Emeritus Papa
There's nothing more dangerous to these guys than an interviewer who's done their homework. This stuff is addictive, better than most fictional dramas.
And nothing’s more dangerous to the interviewer than botching that homework to the point where he has to publicly retract mistakes in his own comments section.
@@kensuke0 huh
@@kensuke0 I don't think a mistake that could still be fixed in comment section is that bad. But honestly if there's mistake and the one interviewed doesn't rebuke it, it makes the one interviewed that looks bad.
Imagine missing out on DogeBonk after you see this disaster
Zilla's mind is so sharp, remembers everything.
I like how you don’t passively aggressively shame or accuse these individuals, you establish a rapport with them and get more information from them. You understand you won’t get anywhere if they hate you.
Coffee is deploying the same techniques as an actual police interrogator. It is quite fascinating.
had to look up the word rapport
Yup. But it doesn’t always work. Did you see his debate with Billy Gene?
@@ChrisGrump actually no, he isn't. He uses leading questions, which an interrogator shouldn't do. This interview would never be accepted in court. Doesn't mean he and his team didn't do great work investigating this case
Because he has little training and is not a pro. Obviously he is learning.
So Thomas knew what they were doing was wrong, but as long as he got his share, he went with it smh
i mean can u blame him lol, to him its free money
@@dylanram4653 yeah most people in his position would do the same thing
@@dylanram4653 Fraudulent free money, which has a different price.
@@qtintervalmusic only if they know it is
@@dylanram4653 and he knew
Papa looks at Karony's wallet transactions and goes "Shit, i jumped ship too soon".
“That could have been me.”
Man this video is so painful to watch, esp after the 17min mark..
This happened before Coffee became a top-tier interrogator.
These people are so fraudulent that Coffee became a top tier interrogator after dealing with 20 of them 😂
What a scumbag, he definitely knew there were millions of dollars being moved and he didn't care because he was getting a portion of it.
He admitted it as well after dodging it so many times lmao
That is exactly what I said. He knew....he didn't care. He was getting rich
Not to mention the way he describes ANYTHING looks like he's trying to bore \ dismiss the listener. SO MUCH CANTING TALK. Like "sh!t if I'll blablah enough maybe he'll drop it". Gosh.
what do you expect from someone who calls himself and expects others to call him "papa", what a narcissitic joke. the only papa the internet should call is cbum 😤
@@JonPL Definitely doesn't work on people who understand the tech, like CoffeeZilla and most of his audience.
My take away, The accounting/auditing profession is not going to die anytime soon
Revisit your comment in ten years when this shit automated
@@thedoomaster14 accounting *may* be more automated in the future but auditing will still need to happen because machines even make mistakes due to humans feeding it faulty data. take it from someone with an actual degree in this stuff :)
Tru shit
@@thedoomaster14 bruh 😂 it can't be fully automated
It still won’t ever pay any better than it does now though 🤷♂️
‘We tried doing the auto locking.....but then we all wanted to be millionaires so we changed our mind’....that’s probably what he meant to say🤔
We tried to lock our safe but the damn thing was busted. So we took all the money out and partied it away. Come on - everyone would have done the same thing in that situation.
Stefan Reich still fraud…
@@skrilla. it was never meant to be a real currency.
@@skrilla. He was obviously being sarcastic.
@@skrilla. well Kyle was kind of blunt with gib me your monies "coin" as in "counter-interest" :P
It’s so funny how all of these scammers are slowly but surely being exposed and tried in court lol love it
This is the whole point of blockchain being transparent...
I really hope the influencers get what they deserve as well, though I sure as hell doubt it.
@@Jesse-um1pz that hasn't helped preventing massive scams, i mean you can see where the money goes but can't do a thing about it, what's the point, only a small number ever get arrested
@@SafffOneee yeah you can law enforcement have been increasingly going after those people
You do realize there's massive scams done in regular money constantly right? Like how absolutely delusional do you have to be to think that scams only happen in crypto? The scams won't stop because scammers won't stop
@@Jesse-um1pz who's delusional? i never said scams don't happen elsewhere. and increasingly is no different than what i said, there's still less recourse in crypto than other sectors
Anyone who defaults to "I specifically, didnt do/say anything illegal or unethical. It was the organization that did illegal things" is immediately guilty in my book.
I used to be a dev, this guy makes me sick. You don't just do illegal or unethical crap because management tells you to. Sheesh, grow a set "papa".
Just out of curiosity, do you think Safemoon are going to release an exchange?
@@thealmightyjeekzy they're swap sort of is and obviously they're working on another one I mean this whole comical idea that this is a rug pull when they have literally a PhD from Stanford and mathematics building their blockchain right now..... who do you think is more viable this clown name coffee Zilla on RUclips or Brandon frugal who's worth half a billion dollars in his real estate investor and his praise of safe moon or other angel investors who have invested openly in this project and spoken positively about it but you want to buy this RUclips piece of s*** just trying to get clicks
@@MK3SupraSteve cry harder fam
@@MK3SupraSteve I’m not buying into anything. I’ve actually been hodling SafeMoom since March 23 2021. Just wanted to see what the replies would be
Man is actually the embodiment of a 1950's reporter taking nothing from no one and getting the big scoop on this story.
you're god damn right.
@@JumpingMike333 de las palabras parada Yo
Hilariously inaccurate.
Certainly not a "modern day" reporter... Which is to say a malicious shill. Fuck modern institutional journalists.
@@KibitzDeFi 📇🪤🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🪧🪦🪦⚰⚰
I love how all of them try and justify that this is not illegal…just unethical. No it’s illegal. It will stop soon.
Not stopping soon unfortunately 😕
@@AceBallFury people are learning man. These videos will change crypto
@@AceBallFury not soon but eventually
when this stuff starts getting regulated all of these guys are gonna crash down from the moon and into the sun
The feds are already involved on this one.
If you see those triggered Safemoon enthusiast in the comment section.
You know it won't stop soon.
There will always dumb*s who'll eat the bait and the fisher who throw the bait.
Just look at those Bitconnect guys, he got arrested, released few years later, joining another (RegalCoin) and then got arrested again.
The circle continues.
Adding: What they need to do is to start throwing those Famous Criminals (Influencers) who involved to jail, since the media cover them more, so the young and those who new to crypto can learn from it and stop getting scammed by a same scheme.
If this dude knew there was fraud going on, why didn't he say anything after he left? He's only squealing after his feet are being put to the fire.
He is guilty and is trying to build his alibi before the Federal Trail. Lmao he locked his Twitter account!
2 things, he made part of it, and that he could be hunted down or someone bought his silence
Because he was the main one committing the fraud! Lmao he ain’t gonna rat himself out!!
Sounds like something someone who bought into a scam would say
NDA was in place, the NDA is null and void now
I put $5k into Safemoon last year, which was a lot to my young family at the time. My heart sank watching this. Lessons learned.
Big time lesson, remember crypto moves because of hype!
I bet you’re the same person who would yell FUD at people trying to warn you
i'm always sorry to hear about the repercussions of these coins, guys he has learned his lesson now please learn from this, especially if you have your own family and are not bankrupt (got money to invest) you're already winning why lose on risks?
Damn, and I thought I was hurting after losing $300 on Safemoon.
I turned $500 into $2.
Can't believe these people would incriminate themselves while being sued. It's amazing how bad these places operate.
How is someone intelligent enough to scam a million dollars yet not intelligent enough to not answer all these damning questions? Dude agreed to this interview as a means to clear his name somehow, however it makes him look way worse and exposes everyone else in the ring. If I were this guy I'd be on the run.
Because it has nothing to do with intelligence. It's about ego. He believes that he is smarter than the public and the interviewer and can outsmart any trap or evidence they have.
It happens all the time in police interrogations. Arrogance gets the best of these people. Rarely is a person who is confident enough to steal millions from people also humble enough to keep quiet about it.
There’s a psychological principle where people who are smart or skilled in one area believe themselves to be smart in all areas. The entirety of crypto & Web 3.0’s philosophy is built upon this arrogance.
He thought his tech skills translated to social skills
Im confused did you not see coffee’s video before this? It was heavily critical of ol’ papa mentioning him as one of the main scammers. Honestly this video was slightly less damning because Tom (is that his name?) seems genuinely confused about some of the stuff going on. Gives me the vibe of someone who was aware they were all up to sketchy stuff but couldn’t fully tell how it was all working out because who can shit gets complicated quick. It does say something when he left before shit hit the fan entirely and could’ve made way more money
Its because his answers don’t need to be good in order to clear his name. At least not to some people, particularly the people who have bought into the scam. A lot of people will look at this and say “well he was willing to talk so that means he’s innocent. If he was guilty of fraud he wouldn’t be doing the interview” disregarding the fact that his answers don’t add up. There is an upside to getting out ahead of the issue even if your explanations are flimsy at best. He can draw attention away from himself by just throwing other people under the bus and playing dumb. From the outside looking in he’s clearly full of shit, but if your someone who’s bought into the scam you wanna rationalize it and hold onto the hope that these people aren’t malicious and scammed you. By doing the interview it does to some degree help his image, at least to certain people.
It's crazy when one person is upset that he didn't scam as much as the previous person did.... and somehow this makes them a good person.
DogeBonk can’t scam you
@@0xB1337 exactly man. Safemmon should have renounced contract. You can't trust nobody in crypto far west. Dobo or hobo
Logan paul
My favorite part of this whole thing is it ends up being less about pillorying an individual and trying to study the anatomy of the crime and how these things happen down to the messy and greedy and very human individuals at the center of it. You're a realtime historian coffee. Keep it up, the world needs these stories.
this is why you see actual legit projects talking about multi-sig dev wallets now.
Investigative reporting... thought to have been extinct but some do still practice its mysterious ways
Well said mate. 👏
In retrospect, the way Papa answered questions reminds me a lot of SBF.
It's weaponized incompetence to seem like they're less dangerous than they actually were.
He legitimately doesn't seem to think there's anything wrong with them just changing their minds, and that it is somehow retroactive.
So basically
“There was no organization committing fraud. It was just a Wordpress site saying things. Not even an organization.”
lmao
Also, when you’re “just” a dev and get paid out 1-2m on a new coin with a supposedly locked up LP.
Yeah funny how that works, devs get paid 7 figures all the time right? Nothing suspicious about it, and it's not like since he's the dev he would have any insight as to how safemoon works that would make the fraud extremely obvious to him. He's just an innocent employee getting paid millions to enable a fraud without even knowing it.
Yeah, certainly an argument could be made that the investors themselves committed fraud just by knowing about it if they even promoted it to their friends or anyone else, because any "reasonable" person should obviously have known it was a scam or a huge risk that they were taking, and trying to profit from.
@@zombievac NFA
@@zombievac sure, but it would be a rediculous argument that would get laughed at.
Yep!
These videos are so satisfying. Netflix should just sign up coffee and watch their stock recover
They need to pump zilla 💪😤❌🧢
Pump that gud Zilla stock
No Zilla should just expose Netflix too
Netflix got oversold, they lost users due to Russia mostly, but nobody should be expecting them to add more users when they already have 1/4 the whole planet signed up. Netflix is a strong buy.
They charge 20 a month, and since everyone and there grandma has a separate 10 dollar streaming service or add on, it no longer saves money to cut cable tv. They've succeeded in the company ownership chain
The most amazing thing about any of these stories is that Coffeezilla is able to get any of these guys to talk to him.
Because it's a big channel, and this type of person feels like if they went on a show like this publicly, said their things, people would *maybe* feel less angry or forgive them. Not that this works, of course.
most con artists believe they're smarter than everyone else and if given the chance, they can convince you they're actually innocent.
Congratulations on one million subs Coffee! I’ve not been here long, but I can say the quality of content here is 11/10. Exposing all these influencers who only want to exploit their followers helps everyone.
The only thing I see from this channel is growth, as scams have become part of daily life.
As someone who has been watching you since Coffee Break with 12k subs, still love and watch your content to this day. An absolute legend!
I like how these people are volunteering to talk to Coffeezilla thinking they can clear their names and get away but instead they make themselves look even more silly when they are hit with the facts and evidence
Yup, it's pure hubris on their part. Grifters like these guys always think that they are smarter than everyone else. And once they are able to successfully fool a large number of people (safemoon army) it makes them even cockier.
So he won't admit that the original creator/ceo committed Fraud and that he played a part in it but will fully admit that John committed fraud because he doesn't like him and him being unaware of alot of things while holding the position he has makes this extremely hard to believe
Nope not hard to believe at all. Basic leftoid thinking. I like him i dont like him.... not moral or objective or smart. All feelings.
i mean yeah its like asking putin if you think the west is corrupt
@@TheLordisick The west is corrupt BTW
6ABE needs to put the money back in the LP.
@TruthSeeking Endless Is there still mafias? haha. I don't think "waste management" is into Safemoon.
At least he's talking, I suppose. There certainly seems to be a lot more going on behind the scenes. Hopefully more gets dug up, presumably in court.
He’s incriminating himself if there’s ever a case against them (which probably won’t be)
Maybe it would be helpful if Zilla would also stop with the inaccurate figures of missing lp even though it’s between 2-6m, but guess that wouldn’t feed the baying crowd…
Every lawyer in the world would tell them to shut up. Instead, they're dropping evidence left and right and agreeing to interviews. The FBI is going to destroy them.
Papa should've had a lawyer representing him lmao. This guys gonna get himself arrested
They are just trying to hold onto their money 💰💰💰💰💰 and the business model
This is some of the most hard-hitting journalism I’ve seen online. Thank you.
I’m just so confused as to why papa even came on with Zilla. Like, I’m glad he did, but like, what did he expect to happen lol. He basically turned himself into a police interview without a lawyer.
coffee is my dateline, 60 mins and how to catch a predator all rolled into one
😁
Good stuff man. Yeah I think this guy is 100% doing damage control right now. He was definitely in on most of this stuff. Definitely fraud.
100% right
Absolutely. He was smiling all the way to the bank while people lost their savings.
100%
I’m sure the fbi freeze assets the majority of the time if they suspect fraud.
2million dollars = dirty money
Usually the thieves, con-artists, scammers or any of similar noble titles are offended by the fact that somebody call them up or caught them, not that they actually ruined many lives by lying to them shamelessly and blatantly.
Narcissism
It's because it gives them the very faint resemblance of the guilt they're incapable of feeling, while also making them realise how screwed they can be if they go to court.
His last defence is literally the Nuremberg defence “I’m just a dev, I just did what I was told to do. It’s not my fault it’s everyone else’s”
Except that literally works 100% of the time in this scenario. Employees NEVER have to give back their pay just because the boss made a mistake. It’s employment law 101
@@streetracer2321except he was one of the bosses.....and it wasn't his payment. it was stolen funds. Funds HE STOLE while he worked there.
@@nothobbesmufc949 Not true at all. The guy writing the code is not in charge, that’s absurd.
As a lawyer... he is doing his best to protect himself from the near future prosecution and jail... however because he knows about the so called gabe wallet... he is covering his own rear end...
As a lawyer and if he was your client would you tell him to stay quiet and not talk? I like the fact he is talking but legally it can’t really help him at all imo
@Kent Emmerson, He is an absolute fool to do this interview. There's nothing to be gained from it on his end. He's incriminating himself throughout the entire phone call.
@@jakeackermann9059 glad to hear. Hopefully some of the others are stupid enough to talk too 😂
Doing his best? The best thing he could do right now is not say a word to the public and let his lawyer do the talking in the court case. It is called the 5th amendment and he is blatantly ignoring it and making his case easier to poke holes in.
It's SO FUNNY how this strategy backfires - "I'm just going to go public and defend myself, so that helps prove that I'm innocent" hahahahahaha
Remember the STFU lawyers video? Pappa should watch that video and STFU. PLEAD THE FIFTH AND STFU.
I have no clue what they're talking about....but it's great hearing scammers twitching
I've worked with some people in tech that show the same stoicism this developer shows, they aren't very consequence aware and actively communicate in an "it is what is" manner because they think it's virtuous to be up-front and deploy this as a strategy to be seen as an authority while actively dodging accountability. I genuinely think this is based in a narcissistic stance that they are just more knowledgeable and people that question this are looked down upon because "should've RTFM LMAO".
It's very clear that the heat this project is taking him by surprise, they wanted to make money from the token at the expense of investors that's very obvious so now his strategy is shifting to be the charismatic tech dude that edges around his honesty and seems to be clear in his communication.
The giveaway, however, is that he wants his people to call him "Papa" which is a very clear indication of how he feels about others. It's a game to him and this is fueling him.
Yeah what he said
@Azurie It's jargon in IT which means: "Read the fucking manual" it's to refer to dumb end-users who complain without understanding the software or product.
yeah how he really wants people to call him that says a lot of how he wants to be positioned in the community. its really frustrating seeing people justify being terrible cuz they were upfront when its still being terrible
"They told me X, so I believed them"... "I don't dig into anything or verify anything or then I would be complicit in it." Pretty good defenses actually, if you don't KNOW it's shady and you are just being paid to do something and they say they're paying you from a legal source of funds, I don't think your neck will be in the noose at the end of the day.
Yep I can't trust a grown man actually wanting people to refer ti him as Papa or take him seriously
My issue with papa is that he wasn’t like a janitor at a company that’s scammed people, he was a an employee of a company that hired him to fulfill a contract with a company that was scamming people in a very strong capacity.
ie. He MAY not have been directly doing any harm if you give him benefit of the doubt, but he was really helping people who were doing a lot of bad and it looks like he was at least somewhat aware of it. But the money obviously blinded him
If they didn't commit fraud, and it was all a mistake, they would return the money to investors. Instead they are millionaires while millions of people had their lives destroyed. Evil.
The safemoon Bois reaction to this whole thing is hilarious. They're pretending that coffee caused the price to go down, ignoring the year long downwards spiral
@@vishnu2699 have you looked at the chart? it's been up once, maybe twice, and it's been a slaughter ever since
The safemoon holders are a literal cult. Go to their Reddit and see the crazy stuff they’re saying. Saw on post from a safemoon minion trying to rally their “army” to get a lawyer and sue Coffee. While other more delusional people are screaming with us fud and doubling their bag because it’s “dipping”
@@ohwestlondon Oh I check out their sub all the time. They are very angry about being down 95% instead of the -90% they were at before. and then the desperately clawing at the miscalculation to discredit everything
@@ohwestlondon If this is the worst thing that could happen, out in the open, and Safemoon somehow continues. I would actually be bullish on Safemoon. Everything is out in the open now. And Safemoon know that they are being watched.
@@vishnu2699 bullish on what though? The whole thing is a scam. There's no point to any of it. It's got nowhere to go.
This could be a 50 part series and I would enjoy every minute
Dj vlad style
Sadly coffee isn’t that intelligent. Surprised he can get dressed by himself in the morning.
@@Goku-sm4pc Ok Goku. Whatever you say
Makes the other crypto pulls look like baby crawls. The only other crypto crime I know of that comes close is what the Lazarus group allegedly stole from that NFT game.
@@Goku-sm4pc ain’t your iq like 76? I really don’t think you should be saying anything
I'm so happy i found your channel! You are the pinnacle of what journalism should be. Please keep up the good work!
So pinnacle he had to issue a statement when he got his facts wrong 😂😂😂😂😂
@@jimbo1480 yeah, thats what youre supposed to do.
It's funny when people pretend to have ethics after being so deep into crypto scams, where the whole idea is to get as much money as you can while you can no matter what
when somebody tell's you that your money is safe, you know it is a scam.
Speculation 101
Exactly, only trust people who promised to steal everything because they're honest!
It began with exposing fake gurus, now Coffee is attacking billion dollar frauds
Papa looks like he's about to turn 60, but sounds like he just turned 16.
These scammers think they are so smart, when in reality, it’s just a yuuuge lack of morals.
$2 million and he doesn't know how and basically why he is getting paid that 🤦♂️
Who would like to have their retirement money threatened?
Do you comment under every RUclips video, or just all the ones I have seen?
@@tcritt all the ones you have
As a dev he knew exactly what was happening. They're all liars
Just want to know now what happened to the money BM sent to the TANO wallet.
Coffee dropping that straight fire lately
Another amazing investigation... Congratulations to everyone involved. Thank you very much guys! 👏👏👏
Imagine if a legitimate bank did this
Or a legitimate company.
Banks get caught working with fraudsters, criminals, etc semi frequently. They just pay a fine and have connections in all top levels of government.
What is fractional reserve banking. They do you and all while inflating the shekels.
The amount of blame he tries to deflect on to other people just lets me know he knew what was going on and played a hand in it
Man Zilla really brought the haters on Twitter with this story, and he's doubling down with this video!
PUMP THE STOCK $ZILLA
What happened on twitter? I dont ever use that dog shit website.
@@pavmar5197 long story short: A bunch of safemoon shills are angry that he’s exposing their scam.
@@Cod3y33t3r Sooo bots... safemoon pays, like most celebrities..
@@Cod3y33t3r safemoon shills aka cellphone farm rack bots
Man you truly don't stop upping your game, you've completely changed the landscape of scams on youtube. That's amazing
Papa could be a politician the way he avoids questions and just blatantly lies through his arse.
Has he actually convinced himself that he deserves that money? He can't be that stupid, did all his other dev jobs he's had pay a few million a year? Doubtful.
Glad I saw through this complete and utter scam and didn't ape in.
"I'm just a dev." Yikes. I had to take an ethics course when I got my comp. sci. degree. I guess that's not common???
I work as a dev, where I am juggled around various projects, monoliths or small simple applets... (I work with a company, that realizes custom software solutions to other companies)
Most of the time I have no clue what the wider context or business model of those projects is and I don't care, since I am paid by the hour to do / solve very specific tasks...
In papa's case, since where he seems like a sole developer, I wouldn't be so sure about his ignorance, but my point stands - As a developer, you are often ignorant of the wider context, unless you are also a person setting the direction and monetization of the product.
ethics course? Anyone can recognize morality and immorality, it is a matter of choice in his case
If you need an ethics course to be ethical.... something is probably wrong with you. Funny enough, there was an college ethics teacher who allegedly hit someone in the head with a bike lock because they were trying to stop violence.
I kinda get what he means about being a dev but that doesn't explain being privy to fraud and not whistleblowing lol
Obviously, because he was stealing. World is full of weak people.
Buddha has to reappear.
“I’m a dev, I need to get paid so I steal from the LP. It’s what I do”
I'm only 2 minutes in and I had to pause just to comment that this, this right here. Is some real shit. Mad respect Coffeezilla, you're doing a better service than the my own FCA or the across the pond FCC. This wage cager who has spent the past 3 years investing in high risk high reward AIM commodity focused explorers; salutes the service you do. Well. The highclass shitposting against financial scum anyway. Lol.
'Facts' that CoffeeZilla stated on the previous video have been proven to be incorrect. He has released a statement about this.
Make sure you take everything he says with a pinch of salt as we don't know how much of what he said is true, and how much is false.
@@fdsamatt5763 Even taking mathematical errors into account we know with 100% certainty that they lied, committed fraud and stole millions of dollars in the process. You can't wish that away.
I did the same thing, I was like, wait…. What is happening right now? 🤣🤣🤣 I was completely thrown off by this
@@fdsamatt5763 no he hasn’t released a statement 🤣
@@fdsamatt5763 i smell safemoon buyer ;)
That's adorable. He thought he could use you to place the blame on someone else and make himself a hapless victim.
"Money doesn't come from nowhere."
Fractional-reserve banking system : "Hold my beer..."
Then he will find a way to defend fiat because it is what runs the world
@@businessbuilder92 I’m pretty sure coffee is against the fiat system too if not he wouldn’t be so invested in the crypto space
@@kingtigerhd481 he supports large long standing financial institutions I've seen his old videos on it
@@businessbuilder92 unbelievable, he’s calling out all these Ponzi schemes but supports the biggest one of them all
@@kingtigerhd481 crypto is still fiat money. And it’s correlated exactly with the market indexes lol.
This is really interesting stuff coffee. You’re doing some really great work and I hope the greedy people you cover eventually face the consequences.
Please show this video to Graham Stephen so he knows what "Confronted" means
Spencer Cornelia needs to check it out as well. Anytime he "confronts" someone, it ends in a reach-around.
@@jthom0027 can't stand Spencer anymore.
His confronted videos are such nonsense.
He's such a square desperate to be in the in crowd that he gets in front of these guys and melts like putty in their hands.
I love it when you manage to get an interview with the devs after the main video, these videos are insanely interesting
I can now see why Safemoon never got listed on Binance.
I think Karony and Papa are just as surprised as we are about all this. I mean I’m pretty sure Karony’s just scratching his head while looking at the millions of dollars in his wallet trying to figure out where it came from 😂
coffeezilla is the epitome of a true citizen journalist.
Saying "I don't know" and giving vague/pointless answers doesn't absolve you of guilt. They all need to be taken to court. It's 100% fraud.
You're wrong
It's actually 600% fraud
@@mainstream201 about what?
I bet nothing will happen to them. Nothing happens to crypto fraudsters.
**pulls out 🍿**
How do the supposed proponents and leaders of crypto expect it to ever be properly established when it’s full of crime.
All they needed to do was say we are going to fund the project (that is, pay *ourselves*) by taxing transactions, and that's it. But they just couldn't help themselves and had to stuff their pockets. And once one guy did it, they all did, and now they're all pointing at the other guy. "Don't look at me, I only took 2 mil. He took more!". Ok.
The amount of copeium from the safemoon army is hilarious
I've never clicked so fast! I love what you're doing with the industry as a whole Coffee.
Same as me
PAPA is a SNAKE LOL. When he was with Safemoon, he said, I'm not fken leaving. DAMN!!!
Who needs television when you have this top content around?
Great interview, especially bringing the discussion back to the ground ("But money can't be created out of nothing right? It must have come from SOMEWHERE.").
apparently they were lucky enough that they didn't steal from someone connected to gov or law enforcement -- because they would have gone to prison yesterday
Right? Lol mg they are not even attempting to defend themselves either .. this interview was so sad, guy is not even smart.
Or they didn't defraud a powerful person. Look up the Melissa Caddick case...she defrauded millions and they made her disappear. Only a foot washed up to shore
@@peterkeigwin847 cant argue against that. you got me wondering whether she scammed hj!!@re. ok, i will indeed look that one up
I think the "CEO's" mom is a fed.
Next episode: I doxxed Satoshi Nakamoto, here's my exclusive interview with him
First of all, you can't have an officer of the company (CTO - Chief Technology OFFICER) working as a contractor. As an officer of the company, you have certain fiduciary responsibilities to the company, you aren't a "temp".
Exactly….and he doesn’t have an issue saying Johns a thief and he knew John was stealing…he gave that as one of the reasons he left. He totally admits he knew, right up until the moment that he is told that him knowing what John was doing and did what John said to do anyways, means he wasn’t just “following orders”, he was complicit…..that’s always when Thomas gets evasive as fuk.
Of course you can, its not legally demanded position in a company, its a given title
@@Savukala Is that true? It is a corporation, as far as I know, and the laws around corporate structure and governance is pretty specific. It is my understanding that C-suit employee of the company has specific responsibilities to the company and it would be difficult to have a person, that is not an employee of the company, assume those responsibilities. A CTO is an officer of the company, that designation and acronym didn't just come from no where, I understand it to come from corporate governance rules, otherwise, you'd just call him Head of IT, or some such. But I am not an attorney, so maybe you know better than I.
@@sevilnatas the CFO/CMA of a c-corp isn't something the shareholders have to vote on
Well, I took out 15k loan from bank and poured it into SafeMoon.
I’m stupid.
Yikes. Good luck, hope you recover from this.
I did the same except I bought xrp at .25
Just so this doesn't get misinterpreted. When migrating from the v1 to v2 liquidity pool, a certain amount of each asset was obviously taken and sold to an exchange. This money was illegitimately acquired but did not actually effect the price directly since the ratio of the two assets would have remained the same. The effect this did have was decreasing liquidity and thus increasing volatility (which is what the interviewee mentioned).
You don't need to migrate contracts to list however. Ideally the exchange would purchase their supply from the DEX and it would benefit the investors.
@@TheAllSeeingIan The ratio does matter since is determines the price which is what my comment pointed out was not affected directly. Money was unrightfully taken out of the system hence I said it was illegitimately acquired but that's not what I'm arguing.
The biggest thing I notice with these crypto scams is that everybody goes out of their way to point fingers at each other and none of them take any responsibility.
"There is no honor among thieves."
The day ALWAYS gets better when I see that Coffeezilla posted a new video💯🔥
Love how coffee is uncovering billion dollar frauds while still using algorithm friendly titles
I am now convinced that the majority of people developing these things are incredibly unintelligent and immoral.
you know what really triggers me ? your ceiling fan turns the wrong way!
@♜ 𝐏𝐢𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐝 ხy Coffeezilla Fake ass Account my dude 😂
I think every one of these scammers are cowards. They only think of themselves, keep their heads down, blame others and don't admit to anything. He probably had a lawyer prep him, and boy did they teach papa how to dance. You were a dev, you admit you knew John was committing fraud, but you dunno what kind, and you didn't do anything about it. Coward.
As the CFO, I can't imagine he didn't have a legal responsibility to report and suspicions of fraud to the government.
Hey welcome to the world.
When Thomas was talking about the "Excess" tokens during the V1 to V2 Contract he had to be talking about the 1,000:1 ratio that happened. When the migration happened our Holdings dropped by 3 ZEROS but so did the Tokens. I personally went from 400,000,000 to 400,000 tokens but my value stayed the same. The problem is if they took those 399,600,000 tokens from me and then sold them to Bitmart at the new price then they got paid. They claimed tokens were being burned and we would receive the tokenomics. This further fuels the question as to why did they force everyone to migrate or risk losing it all.
You're writing this like any of it makes any sense. It doesn't. It's a scam and you got played. Own being a dumb contrarian and move on.
So you mean they tried to do a reverse split? Reducing the amount of tokens by 1000 but increasing the value of each token by 1000, so that the total value (tokens x token price) remained the same?
the excess tokens refer to pancakeswap going from V1 to V2 when they had to migrate liquidity.
@@TheLordisick I’m aware but where did those excess tokens go? They went into a wallet that was supposed to be burned with reflections paid out and the other half to liquidity right?
Been here since 60k followers ! Great Work Coffee!
Keep it up
I find it hilarious every millionaire that stole that's probably genius immediately becomes dumb when questioned
well done bro, go after these scumbags
No wayy youre a fucking legend Coffee. Rare to see people with integrity like you these days.
lego yoda! love the Lego star wars game
I would have CZs babies.
Coffeezilla: "Weren't you the CTO?"
Papa: "I was never a Safemoon employee."
Indirect response. Red flag.
dont like thomas but that was a big piece of information that was needed to understand his position and employment better.
Indirect responses abound in this video!
So what should he have said? Just claim to be an employee when he wasn’t? You’re grasping at straws here
@@streetracer2321 He is avoiding the question and not giving a direct response, because he is a liar. He is someone who thinks they're slick enough to cover their tracks by saying things in a way that seem truthful, but are in contrast to their actions and results of those actions. People who avoid answering questions directly multiple times in a conversation, are usually hiding something.
Take a few minutes and learn how to spot crafty liars.
I'll never understand investing in something I can't hold. It feels way cooler having a safe full of cash, silver, gold and gemstones.
You know, I realized why everyone loves Papa when he left Safemoon.