one thing i'd like to point out regarding Avatar of the Wilds, which I'm not sure if Palsteron was including since he was talking doing it on different enemies and the time kinda happens to match for Single Target, but it states for *EACH* type of Ele Ailment. That means if you apply just Shock and Freeze, that would be considered 3 Unbound Fury per 0.2s per enemy since you can apply Shock, Chill and Freeze on every hit or 15 Unbound Fury per second which proc's Unbound Avatar within 7s if you were only hitting one enemy like a Boss in perfect case, much faster if you hit more enemies. This also means having even a random source of Fire Damage proc-ing Ignite would give you an additional Unbound Fury with minimal investment
Yes.once the buff drops, you are allowed to start stacking again. Every different elemental ailment has its own 0.2s limiter. So if you deal Ignite, Chill, Freeze, Shock to generate stacks, you will get the buff again in 5s. For ignite, if it lasts more than 5 seconds, then you can have 80% more damage on the ignite for the entire "downtime" because the ignite has already snap-shotted the ignite with 80% damage on it. Stormfire melee ignite is probably the best use for this with Galesite's brittle mod and perfect agony.
Ice crash or glacial hammer seems to have whole screen freezing capability on everything short of pinnacle bosses. In a way that may end up being our defense early on.
@@MWaever oh fuck completely forgot a bunch of skills got their attack animation changed right ? so many skills like static strike and glacial hammer to name two suddenly seems far more fun just from a how they feel place
I'm not seeing this in any videos, but is Galvanic Arrow something to look at for the effects of stacking the oaths? Seems like it would be a pretty good option.
To get 100% more damage from shock you need to hit 50 times first. These 50 hits obviously don't do 50% more damage, they do 50% more damage on average. The question is how many hits do you get off afterwards that until the boss either dies or changes phases? 10? 100? Maybe your shocks only get to like 80% more damage before they drop off, then it's just 40% more damage on average. It's still really good, it's just that there's gonna be hundreds of pobs floating around which have it set at 100% more damage. So don't get scammed by pob inflators. Unless y'know first hitting the boss 50 times with your basic attacks presumably then actually starting fighting it is the way you would normally play the game.
actually to add on specifically, I think skills that could fully work with it are some of the channeling stuff that require charging for full value like Blade Flurry or Charged Dash where you're building up to a big hit aft channeling small hits. The small pulses would deal weak hits that are still possible to proc Shock, maximizing your Burst downtime, and then you'd release the final burst when Shock stacks up making full use of the higher Shock
@@TheBIindReaperAfter seeing the buff to it I even considered Charged Dash but I have the feeling that my future self wouldn’t forgive me for starting with it.
@@Incpwn Taming is getting reworked as well actually, someone did bring this up on reddit and the GGG support account said that Taming will be getting changed and patch notes updated next week
The amount of investment that tinctures require before they start working well is so ludicrously high that you could triple the numbers on many of the displayed tinctures and not still not be worth it. I didn't use them much in Affliction when they were free to use and constant, much less now needing skillpoints and being temporary and nuking my mana rapidly. Unless they've got some amazing tinctures hidden away I feel they've missed the mark there by a timezone.
tinctures in affliction were crazy strong and some even build enabling, like the "all dmg can poison" one. i was really hyped when i saw them returning and now i just don't get what they are trying to achieve? i totally agree with "missed the mark".
We haven't seen pretty much any mods that can roll on them. From the patch notes it also seems like there could be unique tinctures. You are doom and glooming based on nothing
ice shot seems busted AF. I'm going to try to make it work and then fall back on TS or something. If it's a melee league, best bet I'm banging out those swords for divs
I'm running LS come hell or high water. Hope the patch notes are corrected, but I don't care. Only question is warden or deadeye. Have been doing practice runs w raider prior to path notes 😵 guess that'll teach me 😂
@BGriffith85 I'd say try warden. that light stacking seems kinda busted? also everyone isn't thinking about armor. it's massive bc melee league and I am betting it outshines EVA with the overwhelm changes. I'll give it a shot. also if I can drop Hyrris I will, I hate that armor tbh. we will see
If you love lancing steel of spaying check out my affliction league build. Was my best build ive made, voidforge abyss jewel stacking with the adorned. About 100-300m shaper dps. Insane clear with fury valve. I will make something of sort this league too with warden or deadeye. Skipped necro league 😅
I really think as it stands even without the taming interaction the move is going to be take the four elemental nodes and F/F gathering winds or +2 projectiles if you can use it
there is also a world where you take barkskin instead of the activatable dmg boost early just to shore up defenses until you get alittle later in progression and then swap it but that might be alittle cooked
idk if I miss anything. but in oprder to profit from all free ailment nodes, you need to do all elemental damage types in a decent ammount, which requiers some pretty decent tri-elemental claw and it must be see if this is sufficient. In endgame this should work at least outside ubers. but in the beginning it has to be seen how much damage you need to aplly all your ailments to the full extent
Great summary, I'm very interested in Warden but have doubts about defenses (especially after the FAQ update clarified it has no %inc armour but only 10% reservation) and tinctures look kinda meh so far. Maybe better as a second build when you can get some defenses from gear.
Also wanted to chil in that life gain on hit via claws (which frost blades/ LS can both use) isn't a horrible defensive layer. I played Kobe's venom gyre Deadeye a while ago and life gain on hit with enough proj is quite potent.
Oath of Winter can proc the cold mastery for freeze very easily, which is 50% more damage. Lesson of the seasons is broken in Feared or Uber elder fights. It's basically overcapped suppress mastery on steroids, because you don't lose suppress chance per spell hit. However, the mastery is per spell recently, meaning 4 sec window where it resets. The raider node depends on how fast bark recovers. If it's like 2 seconds, I would say it's worse in terms of consistency and uptime, but way more powerful if you get bursted.
Bursty "cooldown" based damage is really good for crossing that threshold for killing dangerous ubers before they can phase or before you burn through your defensive flask durations. I really like this new ascendancy, even just for the flexibility of trying combinations of new tinctures + new enchants + new uniques without needing to reroll.
I think it means every shock at 2% maximum, but instead you can stack 50 times and that makes 50% (more if enabled by other source) effect way much easier on high hp enemies. The problem of normal shock is that you can easily get high effect on low hp mobs but always low effect on high hp ones like boss which makes it exponentially inefficient.
concerning the missing defense of warden: high damage + the potential to perma freeze multiple screens even on mid dmg are good defenses on their own in my opinion
@@PhatTrumpet2 how about approximately 1k-2k more life as well as 10-15% more global defenses solely on itemization? But yeah if you're hardcore, not sure if that alone is enough given the overall changes and removal of %phys to ele/chaos. I would say I think the greater access to % max res on things like Jewels is huge, and I'd say you'd better get reliable/perma Endurance Charges on every build this league lol.
Fortify, Armour, Evade, Block, Barkskin, Coil, Suppression, Arctic armour, some endurance charge gen (enduring cry, composure, disciple) and get some regen/leech somewhere it should be good enough to justify getting 3 ascendancy damage nodes no?
idk grace determination barkskin sounds bad because flesh and stone is a thing, even on a caster i'm taking 19% less damage taken and arctic armor over determination or grace now that they're nerfed its just better imo
Thats a good combo damn. You’re probably right, thats a massive less dmg taken. If you also Can fit fortify In this you really take alot lower damage from hits
I believe you can get up to 4 or 5 diffrent ailments if u do it right to trigger the avatar of wild which if u get 5 and u hit 4 times a sec is 20 stacks a ssec and having that buff up every 5 secs like that which sounds way better then every 10 givven u have to play abuild thats going for ailemnt but that dmg buff still sounds great
Actually considering supress cap character, and with new widened life pool there should not be problem to mitigate elemental damage, instead the big question would be physical damage mitigation, and not only for Warden, but for all of right and up side of tree. So in theory, Lesson of the Seasons point is broken as you mentioned, but in reality you dont need that much elemental damage mitigation while you are suppres cap and now with bigger life pool. Maybe HC exclusive only.
Im thinking about Molten Strike or Ngamahu's Flame with "Phys to Lightning support". With molten strike I could go dual wield rapiers so higher crit, all 3 elemental damages, free link from "PtL". With ngamahu's i could be geting shoks from both balls and cyclone, but have lower crit and only fire and lightning damage so no freeze sadly. I like how cyclone moves but I never played molten strike before. Not sure what will feel better.
Looking forward to see if there is a feasible build for lightning strike with crit-multi and poisons. Do we know if the "All damage can poison" tincture is back?
Im going to league start Explosive arrow on hit Warden. I used to play the build as a raider and deadeye with more gear, but the damage is potentially insane, and you only need a quillrain to get going. The sinergy with this ascendancy seems awesome
My first thought was actually ele BV, would be interesting to compare to either Inquisitor or Elementalist/Occultist variants as its not relying on the crutch that is PF for scaling, although, ideally, you still want the improved magic flasks on a forbidden jewels for MB
Can you basically swipe Lesson of the Seasons with FF jewels on someone who does NOT take the node before it and permanently have +20% to suppressed damage because you have 0 bark (and are therefore 10 barks below max)?
Activating Barkskin gives you 10 maximum bark. If you do not have Barkskin active your maximum is 0 bark, so you will always be 0 below maximum and it has no effect.
there's no "all damage can poison" anymore and they made it so you have to go warden and spend a full ascendancy point to even use tinctures on ranged weapons lol
@@Lorentz21 it's probably just better to get returning projectiles, or 100% inc. local elemental damage, both of which are straight up double damage mods.
Ignite won't add an unbound stack every attack will it? IIRC ignite doesn't apply if a stronger ignite is already active. Do you have 100% chance to ignite / shock / freeze? Everyone talking as if that is a given. Keep in mind that the 100% chance to ignite shock and freeze while unbound does not help you regain unbound stacks as unbound prevents you from gaining stacks.
The DPS nodes are great, but I think Barkskin is a bit weak because you still have to reserve 25% for it. Even in Affliction league I stopped using Barkskin after a while, and that didn't cost me points from my main ascendancy in Affliction.
Shock base duration is 2 seconds though, even with increased duration, how do you hit 50 times before the first expires with anything other than like TS?
Spellbark works best if you get hit by a lot of smaller spells and then by a big one. I think it's better for mapping than bossing, but we'll have to see l.
I think you underrate lessons of the seasons tbh. -150 flat damage is actually a pretty good amount. Sure it's not that much vs bosses but in maps you pretty much wont take elemental spell dmg.
i've always been a totems heiro but now i kinda wannna expand to other builds. wanted to try this with frost blades but have no idea how this thing works
I’m only like 3 leagues old and desperately try to make cyclone work for a noob every time. Hoping this will be able to do some kind of ele ailment cyclone of doom without being mega squish. If anyone has some pointers or ideas I should try feel free to let me know!
I look at the new Warden Tree and think... eh... feels a lot alike Inquisitor, looks like Inquistor - except benefits from ranged and Dexterity weapons instead of Strength (So Claws/Daggers). Which means it will come with the same pitfalls and issues as Inquisitor along with the same benefits based on how you do your build Except replace focus on lighting damage with frost damage instead and Consecrated Ground with Barkskin. I'd admit it has far more versatility than Inquisitor due to Tinctures, which seem to just add an extra layer of unnecessary business to any build which can easily be replaced with passive buffs if you picked a different build instead. Where this Ascendancy shines however is it's focus on Elemental Damage, Frost is particular and to a lesser extent Lighting, offering a stronger Frost stacking Freeze effect potential than Elementalist (Hoarfrost omg!), also a Fire Build that strips away completely Fire Resistance from enemies at the cost of the DoT but dose insane direct fire damage. A strong contender for Agility Weapon to Elemental Damage builds. Want to do a Frost Damage build, Warden is the new go to. It is Inquisitor - but better. So yeah, Rune Daggers and Claws are going to be useful again! in fact, Rune Daggers are perfect for Warden. With that said, I think it a good change as it is replacing a, well in my opinion frankly outdated and useless ascendancy which no one has seriously used in years as it utilizes onslaught mechanics with buffs you can get through the passive tree, gems and gear to attain the same effect which is more beneficial to other classes with other ascendancies such as Berserker and Frenzy mechanics which haven't been useful or held any use for years because it is to do with frenzy charges associated with attack speed, with the remaining tree to do with a slight bonus to elemental resistances. It has for years been considered the "tree to take" for doing a melee focused sort of like early attempt at a monk viable build for PoE where you'd either go ranged damage spam or melee attack spam, like spamming wave attacks using duel fist weapons with the leech being used as your sustain. But, the whole concept and meta viability disappeared after the melee nerf a few years back and hasn't really been viable since it was implemented 7 years ago. So, no one is really going to miss Raider. Actual sword and board retaliation/block/bash builds will be viable again come next league with changes to Gladiator, the new runes will also benefit Endurance Juggernaut and Minion Guardian builds too. Will they be top tier boss destroyers? No. Will they be useful for map rush day 1? Likely not. But, they won't suck anymore. They will likely fill the "heh that is interesting" like potion throwing builds. But who knows.
seems like the intention was to have warden use something like elemental hit, apply all statuses every single time and just profit from insane dmg multipliers.
I'm not so sure about respeccing being easier. Usually by the time I want to respec often I have a bunch of orbs of regret, so it always was kind of a non-issue. The gold cost in the video seemed pretty steep though...
Just a lil (completely) theory here, in the reveal video, the showcase gives us these numbers - respect one point 6.760 gold (this changes with the char lvl, but we can see at that moment we are at least lvl 50-60 according to the points spent), all gold at that moment is 61.952, a few secs later gambling random rare belt is 18.062 per belt, the char having around 4.7M gold, ransom for the boss is 50.000 gold, and when showcasing the automaps, the char owns 1.8M coins. Now, of course and for sure, these numbers are "cheated" by the devs, but there is already some pattern e.g. gambling one rare belt is 3 times more expensive than the respect point, ransom almost 10 times more and devs are cheating 5mil to use, not just a 100k that could be enough for the sake of the video. All of the numbers can be different in the game, but I believe they realize if respecing is not affordable for us (costs too many coins) it will not be used and it's a useless element of the new mechanic, therefore it's there to make it a little easier for casual poe community who often complains about regret orbs being impossible in the beggining of the game. We are not considering people having A10 in 2h. Let's hope GGG manage to find a good balance in the coin prices but imo respecing WILL BE easier with the new mechanic than we are used to until now.
I really fucking hate their tendency of just completely removing builds that aren't top tier under the rubric "well if 90% of the playerbase isn't using them, it's fine to just completely destroy them". Sure, raider wasn't meta, but for some people it was the only reason they played the game. I was one of those people. Now I just won't play. I guess that's what GGG wanted? I dunno. It's just a very strange decision to me; we already had elemental builds for Ranger, even in Raider. Lots of other elemental builds in other classes. They essentially removed the classical speedy melee rogue archetype from Ranger to doubledown on build archetypes that were already well supported. Not a fan--Warden itself is fine but removing Raider was not the way to do it imo, but then my opinion doesn't matter and that's that, time to move on.
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Warden doesn’t have a pendulum effect it’s more like elemental berserk
I’m starting to suspect Palsteron does have a slogan
Inconceivable.
Unbelievable.
one thing i'd like to point out regarding Avatar of the Wilds, which I'm not sure if Palsteron was including since he was talking doing it on different enemies and the time kinda happens to match for Single Target, but it states for *EACH* type of Ele Ailment. That means if you apply just Shock and Freeze, that would be considered 3 Unbound Fury per 0.2s per enemy since you can apply Shock, Chill and Freeze on every hit or 15 Unbound Fury per second which proc's Unbound Avatar within 7s if you were only hitting one enemy like a Boss in perfect case, much faster if you hit more enemies. This also means having even a random source of Fire Damage proc-ing Ignite would give you an additional Unbound Fury with minimal investment
Exactly what I was looking for! Thank you! Great content
Level 18 tincture giving 17% attack speed as an affix is nuts. I think the tinctures will have some insane values if rolled well.
The freeze stuff is such a nice defensive layer on top of it all. Gets often underestimated as it is not reflected in POB numbers
What is the "pendulum" in avatar of the wilds? It is a straight up 10s mega buff whil on with nothing but getting the changes when it is off
Yes.once the buff drops, you are allowed to start stacking again. Every different elemental ailment has its own 0.2s limiter. So if you deal Ignite, Chill, Freeze, Shock to generate stacks, you will get the buff again in 5s. For ignite, if it lasts more than 5 seconds, then you can have 80% more damage on the ignite for the entire "downtime" because the ignite has already snap-shotted the ignite with 80% damage on it. Stormfire melee ignite is probably the best use for this with Galesite's brittle mod and perfect agony.
The idea being is that it's a burst of damage that has an UP time and a DOWN time. However, you CONTROL when you have the gigaDPS.
Ice crash or glacial hammer seems to have whole screen freezing capability on everything short of pinnacle bosses. In a way that may end up being our defense early on.
600+% glacial hammer without the clunky animation speed does serm tempting to leaguestart indeed.
Just found my league starter
Frost breath glacial hammer gonna go bonk@@MWaever
With cold to fire conversion to get scorch? Idk
@@MWaever oh fuck completely forgot a bunch of skills got their attack animation changed right ?
so many skills like static strike and glacial hammer to name two suddenly seems far more fun just from a how they feel place
I'm not seeing this in any videos, but is Galvanic Arrow something to look at for the effects of stacking the oaths? Seems like it would be a pretty good option.
To get 100% more damage from shock you need to hit 50 times first. These 50 hits obviously don't do 50% more damage, they do 50% more damage on average.
The question is how many hits do you get off afterwards that until the boss either dies or changes phases? 10? 100?
Maybe your shocks only get to like 80% more damage before they drop off, then it's just 40% more damage on average.
It's still really good, it's just that there's gonna be hundreds of pobs floating around which have it set at 100% more damage. So don't get scammed by pob inflators.
Unless y'know first hitting the boss 50 times with your basic attacks presumably then actually starting fighting it is the way you would normally play the game.
actually to add on specifically, I think skills that could fully work with it are some of the channeling stuff that require charging for full value like Blade Flurry or Charged Dash where you're building up to a big hit aft channeling small hits. The small pulses would deal weak hits that are still possible to proc Shock, maximizing your Burst downtime, and then you'd release the final burst when Shock stacks up making full use of the higher Shock
The Taming "am I a joke to you?"
@@TheBIindReaperAfter seeing the buff to it I even considered Charged Dash but I have the feeling that my future self wouldn’t forgive me for starting with it.
@@Incpwn Taming is getting reworked as well actually, someone did bring this up on reddit and the GGG support account said that Taming will be getting changed and patch notes updated next week
@@Incpwn taming nerf is confirmed by ggg already
Ice crash warden. Idk how but I need a build guide for this. lol thx
Thanks for the checkbox in PoB to see the latest beta build. You learn something new each day!
The amount of investment that tinctures require before they start working well is so ludicrously high that you could triple the numbers on many of the displayed tinctures and not still not be worth it. I didn't use them much in Affliction when they were free to use and constant, much less now needing skillpoints and being temporary and nuking my mana rapidly.
Unless they've got some amazing tinctures hidden away I feel they've missed the mark there by a timezone.
tinctures in affliction were crazy strong and some even build enabling, like the "all dmg can poison" one. i was really hyped when i saw them returning and now i just don't get what they are trying to achieve? i totally agree with "missed the mark".
@@petespeedsxp4967Missed the mark? Ask Chris. Ba dum tss
The opportunity cost for using tinctures was obscene, though. It meant no charms!
You already lost the game thinking that way...true gamers play for the sake of what they consider cool to play.
We haven't seen pretty much any mods that can roll on them. From the patch notes it also seems like there could be unique tinctures. You are doom and glooming based on nothing
I have officially reached the -- Dog behind computer meme "I have no idea what im doing" Im hoping for a warden LS/LA build
ice shot seems busted AF. I'm going to try to make it work and then fall back on TS or something. If it's a melee league, best bet I'm banging out those swords for divs
I'm running LS come hell or high water. Hope the patch notes are corrected, but I don't care. Only question is warden or deadeye. Have been doing practice runs w raider prior to path notes 😵 guess that'll teach me 😂
@BGriffith85 I'd say try warden. that light stacking seems kinda busted? also everyone isn't thinking about armor. it's massive bc melee league and I am betting it outshines EVA with the overwhelm changes. I'll give it a shot. also if I can drop Hyrris I will, I hate that armor tbh. we will see
If you love lancing steel of spaying check out my affliction league build. Was my best build ive made, voidforge abyss jewel stacking with the adorned. About 100-300m shaper dps. Insane clear with fury valve. I will make something of sort this league too with warden or deadeye. Skipped necro league 😅
is it because of BARKskin? 😂
I really think as it stands even without the taming interaction the move is going to be take the four elemental nodes and F/F gathering winds or +2 projectiles if you can use it
there is also a world where you take barkskin instead of the activatable dmg boost early just to shore up defenses until you get alittle later in progression and then swap it but that might be alittle cooked
idk if I miss anything. but in oprder to profit from all free ailment nodes, you need to do all elemental damage types in a decent ammount, which requiers some pretty decent tri-elemental claw and it must be see if this is sufficient. In endgame this should work at least outside ubers. but in the beginning it has to be seen how much damage you need to aplly all your ailments to the full extent
Great summary, I'm very interested in Warden but have doubts about defenses (especially after the FAQ update clarified it has no %inc armour but only 10% reservation) and tinctures look kinda meh so far. Maybe better as a second build when you can get some defenses from gear.
Warden feels like a great frost blade ascendancy. Frost blades with block and freeze sounds like good defenses
I am considering later on maybe elemental rage vortex of berserking with the warden, but I would like to see how good the rage sustain can be.
Is the barkskin notable not just giving you the aura by default? Seems kinda terrible if you have to put points in and then also reserve your mana
Oath of winter Kinetic Blast Ballista LOGGIN
Also wanted to chil in that life gain on hit via claws (which frost blades/ LS can both use) isn't a horrible defensive layer. I played Kobe's venom gyre Deadeye a while ago and life gain on hit with enough proj is quite potent.
Oath of Winter can proc the cold mastery for freeze very easily, which is 50% more damage.
Lesson of the seasons is broken in Feared or Uber elder fights. It's basically overcapped suppress mastery on steroids, because you don't lose suppress chance per spell hit. However, the mastery is per spell recently, meaning 4 sec window where it resets. The raider node depends on how fast bark recovers. If it's like 2 seconds, I would say it's worse in terms of consistency and uptime, but way more powerful if you get bursted.
Bursty "cooldown" based damage is really good for crossing that threshold for killing dangerous ubers before they can phase or before you burn through your defensive flask durations. I really like this new ascendancy, even just for the flexibility of trying combinations of new tinctures + new enchants + new uniques without needing to reroll.
I think it means every shock at 2% maximum, but instead you can stack 50 times and that makes 50% (more if enabled by other source) effect way much easier on high hp enemies. The problem of normal shock is that you can easily get high effect on low hp mobs but always low effect on high hp ones like boss which makes it exponentially inefficient.
Finally something that can make wild strikes great!
I tried so many times. I doubt it'll work this time either.
@@Andreaskentorp this league for sure! I've been trying to make wildstrike brews for years 🥲
This new class is so fit to elemental hit of spectrum
concerning the missing defense of warden:
high damage + the potential to perma freeze multiple screens even on mid dmg are good defenses on their own in my opinion
"potential" doesn't really scream defense. most people would prefer something "reliable"
@@PhatTrumpet2 potential meaning the potential to build for that
@@Dome98Otaku okay, pedant. it's still not a sure thing, and I'm sure most hardcore players would laugh at your argument.
@@PhatTrumpet2 how about approximately 1k-2k more life as well as 10-15% more global defenses solely on itemization? But yeah if you're hardcore, not sure if that alone is enough given the overall changes and removal of %phys to ele/chaos. I would say I think the greater access to % max res on things like Jewels is huge, and I'd say you'd better get reliable/perma Endurance Charges on every build this league lol.
@@1TotalJabroni The endurance charge changes are indeed compelling, so long as you can reliably generate them.
I think you dont understand, this oath of winter will be abit similar to stun bar from poe2. Now fast attack builds can apply ailments.
is your toxic rain ballista still good for 3.25?
Fortify, Armour, Evade, Block, Barkskin, Coil, Suppression, Arctic armour, some endurance charge gen (enduring cry, composure, disciple) and get some regen/leech somewhere it should be good enough to justify getting 3 ascendancy damage nodes no?
is it time to frost blades again, my most favorite build of all time? Or am i high on copium?
idk grace determination barkskin sounds bad
because flesh and stone is a thing, even on a caster i'm taking 19% less damage taken and arctic armor over determination or grace now that they're nerfed its just better imo
Thats a good combo damn. You’re probably right, thats a massive less dmg taken. If you also Can fit fortify In this you really take alot lower damage from hits
I was thinking about a trapper Warden, what do u think? Ice trap maybe, would these nodes work with totems and traps?
I'm thinking this too. I'm just not sure if Avatar of the Wilds will work properly with traps.
10:50 8 sec x 0,75 (25% cdr) is 6 not 7 unless there is some black magic hidden there
Which bow build u recommend it?😊
Theres a tincture node on the tree that gives you flask charges on hit for adjacent flasks
Will oath of winter work with traps or mines?
Is EA Ballista Elementalist still viable in 3.25?
I believe you can get up to 4 or 5 diffrent ailments if u do it right to trigger the avatar of wild which if u get 5 and u hit 4 times a sec is 20 stacks a ssec and having that buff up every 5 secs like that which sounds way better then every 10
givven u have to play abuild thats going for ailemnt but that dmg buff still sounds great
Actually considering supress cap character, and with new widened life pool there should not be problem to mitigate elemental damage,
instead the big question would be physical damage mitigation, and not only for Warden, but for all of right and up side of tree.
So in theory, Lesson of the Seasons point is broken as you mentioned, but in reality you dont need that much elemental damage mitigation while you are suppres cap and now with bigger life pool.
Maybe HC exclusive only.
Mother's Teachings + Lesson of the Seasons + Acrobatics + Evasion & Ward?
Is the new barkskin actually PDR not armour? The wording on the ascendancy node suggests it might be like PDR but it's ambiguous
Im thinking about Molten Strike or Ngamahu's Flame with "Phys to Lightning support".
With molten strike I could go dual wield rapiers so higher crit, all 3 elemental damages, free link from "PtL".
With ngamahu's i could be geting shoks from both balls and cyclone, but have lower crit and only fire and lightning damage so no freeze sadly.
I like how cyclone moves but I never played molten strike before. Not sure what will feel better.
So is hydro sphere ice shot still a thing ?
Looking forward to see if there is a feasible build for lightning strike with crit-multi and poisons. Do we know if the "All damage can poison" tincture is back?
nerfed to melee and only like 30% chance
With the Hatred nerf what's aura problem Herald would be best best to for damage???? I'm a frost blades avd SST enjoyer
Is the Scourge Arrow of menace ballista from Affliction viable again?
Im going to league start Explosive arrow on hit Warden. I used to play the build as a raider and deadeye with more gear, but the damage is potentially insane, and you only need a quillrain to get going. The sinergy with this ascendancy seems awesome
My first thought was actually ele BV, would be interesting to compare to either Inquisitor or Elementalist/Occultist variants as its not relying on the crutch that is PF for scaling, although, ideally, you still want the improved magic flasks on a forbidden jewels for MB
build that has lots of hits that uses whirling blades - venom gyre?
Can you basically swipe Lesson of the Seasons with FF jewels on someone who does NOT take the node before it and permanently have +20% to suppressed damage because you have 0 bark (and are therefore 10 barks below max)?
Activating Barkskin gives you 10 maximum bark. If you do not have Barkskin active your maximum is 0 bark, so you will always be 0 below maximum and it has no effect.
@@MatCauth0n Ahh that's a bummer.
are you not going to go scourge arrow ballista poison again with the tinctures?
there's no "all damage can poison" anymore and they made it so you have to go warden and spend a full ascendancy point to even use tinctures on ranged weapons lol
@@Palsteron There might be that affix available via runesmithing, but that's a big unknown of course
@@Palsteron I guess the only option is Inextricable Fate with the new prismatic annoint to apply grasping vines for 'all damage can poison'
@@Lorentz21 it's probably just better to get returning projectiles, or 100% inc. local elemental damage, both of which are straight up double damage mods.
if Pcoc can apply 7 poisons with 1 use .. explosive concotion should aplly 7 shocks no ?
Hell yeah man!
Please make an Oath of Winter Ice crash build
If the +2 proj tinctures are a thing, the Tincture apply to Ranged Weapons node makes sense.
Ignite won't add an unbound stack every attack will it? IIRC ignite doesn't apply if a stronger ignite is already active. Do you have 100% chance to ignite / shock / freeze? Everyone talking as if that is a given.
Keep in mind that the 100% chance to ignite shock and freeze while unbound does not help you regain unbound stacks as unbound prevents you from gaining stacks.
hey buddy, can you also comment on taming ring interaction with 50 shocks from warden ascendancy? it would be unreal if that ring is unchanged right?
taming nerf was confirmed by ggg mark
The DPS nodes are great, but I think Barkskin is a bit weak because you still have to reserve 25% for it. Even in Affliction league I stopped using Barkskin after a while, and that didn't cost me points from my main ascendancy in Affliction.
Shock base duration is 2 seconds though, even with increased duration, how do you hit 50 times before the first expires with anything other than like TS?
Just use/anoint Defiled Forces, problem solved.
Elemental hit goes with melee or ranged weapon? Thanks
both
@@Ilestun wich you recommend?
@@alexisvalentinkistner5436 Ranged, the mêlée ele hit has no clear.
@@Ilestun thank you 😃
Palsteron -Toxic Rain Ballista Pathfinder League Starter . Can you run 3.25 leagues?
When does this go live? Sorry at work trying to get all this in
Next Friday
Spellbark works best if you get hit by a lot of smaller spells and then by a big one. I think it's better for mapping than bossing, but we'll have to see l.
I think you underrate lessons of the seasons tbh. -150 flat damage is actually a pretty good amount. Sure it's not that much vs bosses but in maps you pretty much wont take elemental spell dmg.
What about ball lightning? Thoughts?
archmage BL, good starter
i've always been a totems heiro but now i kinda wannna expand to other builds. wanted to try this with frost blades but have no idea how this thing works
should ele hit with this not be really good?
I'm mulling over a ele cyclone build, maybe stack aura effect on blood and sand to buff up defences
i was going to run a frost blade raider this time, but might do that as a warden instead or try some galvanic arrow or similar
warden Tornado of Elemental Turbulence GIGACHAD
Elemental cyclone warden? No, I haven't figured out that would work, but it seems like a fun idea to be spinning around and freezing mobs.
Kinetic blast all the way. 🤪💪👍
Thx for the Update tip you the best🖤💚💛
I am excited to start with this!
I’m only like 3 leagues old and desperately try to make cyclone work for a noob every time. Hoping this will be able to do some kind of ele ailment cyclone of doom without being mega squish. If anyone has some pointers or ideas I should try feel free to let me know!
Look into Slayer and the Shockwave support gem.
How do I get this update do PoB?
in the pob settings opt into weekly beta test builds
@@prototoadsdoes this include new skill gems too?
2 Scorch = -60 ele res?
bro make that ballista build, I'm here for it!
This looks good to play around with once i get a voidforge in league.
I look at the new Warden Tree and think... eh... feels a lot alike Inquisitor, looks like Inquistor - except benefits from ranged and Dexterity weapons instead of Strength (So Claws/Daggers). Which means it will come with the same pitfalls and issues as Inquisitor along with the same benefits based on how you do your build Except replace focus on lighting damage with frost damage instead and Consecrated Ground with Barkskin. I'd admit it has far more versatility than Inquisitor due to Tinctures, which seem to just add an extra layer of unnecessary business to any build which can easily be replaced with passive buffs if you picked a different build instead. Where this Ascendancy shines however is it's focus on Elemental Damage, Frost is particular and to a lesser extent Lighting, offering a stronger Frost stacking Freeze effect potential than Elementalist (Hoarfrost omg!), also a Fire Build that strips away completely Fire Resistance from enemies at the cost of the DoT but dose insane direct fire damage. A strong contender for Agility Weapon to Elemental Damage builds.
Want to do a Frost Damage build, Warden is the new go to. It is Inquisitor - but better.
So yeah, Rune Daggers and Claws are going to be useful again! in fact, Rune Daggers are perfect for Warden.
With that said, I think it a good change as it is replacing a, well in my opinion frankly outdated and useless ascendancy which no one has seriously used in years as it utilizes onslaught mechanics with buffs you can get through the passive tree, gems and gear to attain the same effect which is more beneficial to other classes with other ascendancies such as Berserker and Frenzy mechanics which haven't been useful or held any use for years because it is to do with frenzy charges associated with attack speed, with the remaining tree to do with a slight bonus to elemental resistances. It has for years been considered the "tree to take" for doing a melee focused sort of like early attempt at a monk viable build for PoE where you'd either go ranged damage spam or melee attack spam, like spamming wave attacks using duel fist weapons with the leech being used as your sustain. But, the whole concept and meta viability disappeared after the melee nerf a few years back and hasn't really been viable since it was implemented 7 years ago. So, no one is really going to miss Raider.
Actual sword and board retaliation/block/bash builds will be viable again come next league with changes to Gladiator, the new runes will also benefit Endurance Juggernaut and Minion Guardian builds too. Will they be top tier boss destroyers? No. Will they be useful for map rush day 1? Likely not. But, they won't suck anymore. They will likely fill the "heh that is interesting" like potion throwing builds. But who knows.
Cold convert TS? Am I huffing too much copium?
Far too much. TS requires a ridiculous amount of investment, and how are you applying shocks and scorches? Just with % chance based effects?
How to get 3.25 updated PoB?
I wonder how this ascendancy will interact with Fury of Nature
seems like the intention was to have warden use something like elemental hit, apply all statuses every single time and just profit from insane dmg multipliers.
I'm not so sure about respeccing being easier. Usually by the time I want to respec often I have a bunch of orbs of regret, so it always was kind of a non-issue. The gold cost in the video seemed pretty steep though...
Just a lil (completely) theory here, in the reveal video, the showcase gives us these numbers - respect one point 6.760 gold (this changes with the char lvl, but we can see at that moment we are at least lvl 50-60 according to the points spent), all gold at that moment is 61.952, a few secs later gambling random rare belt is 18.062 per belt, the char having around 4.7M gold, ransom for the boss is 50.000 gold, and when showcasing the automaps, the char owns 1.8M coins. Now, of course and for sure, these numbers are "cheated" by the devs, but there is already some pattern e.g. gambling one rare belt is 3 times more expensive than the respect point, ransom almost 10 times more and devs are cheating 5mil to use, not just a 100k that could be enough for the sake of the video. All of the numbers can be different in the game, but I believe they realize if respecing is not affordable for us (costs too many coins) it will not be used and it's a useless element of the new mechanic, therefore it's there to make it a little easier for casual poe community who often complains about regret orbs being impossible in the beggining of the game. We are not considering people having A10 in 2h. Let's hope GGG manage to find a good balance in the coin prices but imo respecing WILL BE easier with the new mechanic than we are used to until now.
@@sy_2227 Well, according to the FAQ we can respec with both gold aswell as regret orbs, so it will indeed be strictly easier :D Glad to see that.
Taming will get reworked as GGG has stated - no info on how far changed, but it WILL be changed
how does he have the warden in pob?
Oath of Winter with Frost Blades maybe?
Rain of arrows Warden or RF Cheiftan, i cant decide, but its been a while since i played RF so maybe its time again
Wild strike trinity warden?
If Rising Tempest doesn't get drastically changed, I can see self-chill Warden becoming absurd
8 second cooldown Tincture with 25% CDR = 6 second CD for 100% uptime.
The only defense I need is cast on death portal. Let's fucking go
Ball lightning of orbiting miner Warden is my plan B
big thanks for showing how to update pob!
Could be interesting choice for CoC builds
I really fucking hate their tendency of just completely removing builds that aren't top tier under the rubric "well if 90% of the playerbase isn't using them, it's fine to just completely destroy them". Sure, raider wasn't meta, but for some people it was the only reason they played the game. I was one of those people. Now I just won't play. I guess that's what GGG wanted? I dunno. It's just a very strange decision to me; we already had elemental builds for Ranger, even in Raider. Lots of other elemental builds in other classes. They essentially removed the classical speedy melee rogue archetype from Ranger to doubledown on build archetypes that were already well supported. Not a fan--Warden itself is fine but removing Raider was not the way to do it imo, but then my opinion doesn't matter and that's that, time to move on.
venom gyre ?