Can you "mullet" ANY bike? YES. (DO THIS, IT WORKS)
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- They said it couldn't be done... and maybe they're right... but we're gonna try it anyways. We try some strange things to Beth's new Ibis Ripmo V2 in an attempt to make the perfect enduro bike shorter riders. What could go wrong??
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One way to keep that bushing from spinning is to put a Scotch key in it. You drill a hole that is 1/2 in the bushing and 1/2 in the shock eye then tap it for the the smallest set screw you can find. This makes it easy to remove for maintenance/replacement but will prevent it from ever spinning. Don't forget to put Loctite on the set screw. This is an actual technique I learned while working in a machine shop many years ago.
how often have you seen/heard of offset bushings spinning?
Not often but in this case the force is going to want to push it around the other way. Its like balancing a broom upside down on its end vs hanging it by the handle.
Have often thought about using an offset bushing in the 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock position to change the progression, would this be sufficient to prevent rotation in that scenario?
@@mattdidisheim2211 I ride a Pivot Mach 5.5 I cannot use the offset bushing in the reverse setting. When I do it creaks like crazy and spins after one ride. One explanation I received, the DW link on the Mach 5.5 spins more on the bushing than other suspension setups. Not sure if there is any truth to that, but it def did not work for me in the reverse position, just like Offset bushings said it wouldn't :(. Considering I'm riding a Fox Float X2, I'm not willing to try a Scotch key.
More impressed by Beth just hammering that lap! 👍
She SENDS!
Right?!? freaking speed queen.
Hammering while business up front, and @4:15 party in the back.
I like how when they showed people with mullets they showed Benjamin Franklin😂
Yeah, he had a skullet not a mullet.
I like party in the front, and party in the back
My mann😂😂
I just like to party😎
Must b pretty slow
Lol jk
Does it mean that you kick with both legs?
I like business in the front, and business in the back
You guys going to post any further updates on ride performance, how the bushings held up in their position, and any disadvantages that occur later?
I did a quick experiment with my 29er. Putting a 27.5 rear wheel on only dropped the BB, a touch less than 10mm. I think that would probably not be a massive deal. Especially if I put a fatter tyre in the back.
Yea I just recently did that to my bike and have ridden it a decent amount that way and it feels pretty good and i haven’t experienced any pedal strikes or anything yet
Will you please keep us posted about that bushing? Very curious to see if it stays.
Awesome videography, clear to see a lot of effort went into this one! Great to see Beth starring
Yo you got some fog on the lense that’s obscuring the other bike 😂
same sus layout to the ripmo and seems to be carbon
It’s drip sweat 😐😂
A reverse mullet maybe?
I'm riding almost the exact same setup, only with DVO suspension. Cornering is truly amazing! And the bike (as Beth said) is so FAST! The only problem so far is the offset bushing has rotated. I adjusted it and retorqued it. Two rides in and so far, it hasn't moved. Also, I climb with the rear shock in the middle setting to help avoid pedal strikes.
Did you use a 2.6 as well? I’m waiting for parts to arrive so I can mullet my AF but haven’t decided on tires.
Nice video and a great explanation of the upside & downside of a mullet set-up.
I was thinking about the offset bushing in the r/suspension and if the suspension forces cause it to spin around, a simple solution would be a small grub screw tapped into the shock eye.
Recently I turned my wife's Marin Hawk Hill into a mullet out of necessity--her 27.5" fork was out for warranty repair and we wanted to go riding, so I threw my spare 29" fork on it with a spare 29" wheel, and away we went. She's decided she's keeping the mullet because she's keeping her speed up better through tech, lifting the front wheel more easily, and feeling more control through turns. Her height is 5'2" / 157 cm, for those keeping score.
Great work Beth !! Hopefully content like this can inspire more women to start riding and progress within the sport. I also don't think any of the previous videos have done your riding justice, looks like you're flying.
Thanks Kevin! The bike definitely feels fast! I’m going to have to get better so I can keep it together 😅
I made my 27.5 Marin hawk hill into a mullet bike by installing a 29er front end. Changed it into a smooth ride. I highly recommend the change...my son has the bike now. He loves it
So you changed the front fork to a 29er as well, not just the front wheel? Did you go up, down or stay the same with the travel of the front fork?
Back in 2002-2007 when I rode nearly every day 5 months out of the year, this was a really common thing to do. 26" wheel in the front, 24" wheel in the rear.
My hardtail and my full suspension both had that setup! And probably 90% of the people I knew and rode with had the same thing.
I wonder why it's seemingly so uncommon these days?
Either way, the ride looks awesome!!!!
Nice build, and Beth was KILLING it on that lap!
I ride Ripmo V1. Have slackened it with -1 degree headset and put 650b rear wheel. Both tyres are 2.4, cranks 170mm, however I don't use any offset bushing. Rode this setup first time today, initially had few pedal strikes but only when rear sus compressed. Adding a bit of low speed compression on my EXT solved problem, obviously BB is lower and requires more attention. Also had to readjust seat (move forward) to maintain previous position. All this has changed this bike dramatically, it's much more stable but still climbs as good as used to, whereas cornering experience is mind blowing!
I used the same reverse bushing +160mm fork set-up on a '20 SJ Evo for over a year and am happy to say the bushing has not rotated at all.
Great to hear. I ordered a bushing to do exactly that. Then the company (who shall remain nameless) said NO THAT WONT WORK! So I chickened out. Now I'm doing it!
That's great to hear! Hardnacks - we don't recommend using them, as they will want to rotate. We do have many customers using them in reverse - some bikes work better than others with this. If there's a chance our product won't work as advertised, then we won't recommend it as I'm sure you can imagine - so in general we suggest not running then like this. But... it's a free world! :)
@@offsetbushings5182 yes unfortunately for me, it did not work in my case. Lots creaking on a short ride, and the bushing inched its way to the middle.
@@Nathanhardeckicould you let us know which bike you tried it on?
@@kevindeleenheer8105 2020 Pivot Mach 5.5 with a Float X2
I’ve gone back and forth on whether to try this with 2 offset bushings on my Ripmo AF. You just convinced me. Thanks!
I’d definitely start with one offset bushing. The clearance between the clevis and the seat tube is pretty tight with just 1. Let me know how it goes!
@@TheLoamRanger any update on the bushing?
If the bushing rotates, you might try some loctite on the outer surface of the bushing.
Nice video Beth! I love the ripmo because I think it is the only 29er that has a very low standover height and would be perfect for a short guy like me but even the ripmo af is back ordered still. Ride safe always guys! 😃
The Ripmo is an excellent bike, but the standover-height of an Yt Jeffsy, Canyon Spectral or a ton of other bikes is just as low.
It’s interesting. I have short legs and like my 27.5s, but I run 2.6 and 2.8 tires on a couple different bikes. I do miss the speed of my old 29er though! Great video!
Definitely interested to see if that offset bushing rotates around to the correct (or incorrect in your case) way with the shock forces.
Same. It did not work for me on my setup, Pivot Mach 5.5, creaked like I broke my frame & spun after one ride. If they got it to work for them, I wanna know-how (not scotch key)
Never really found the Ibis RIpmo that appealing but this is one nice looking build.
Could you update us on this by chance? I have a Ripmo and I’d love to hear if you have had any problems with the bushings rotating or anything. Thanks for the awesome experiment! :)
Same here!
Awesome job guys! Beth you rocked this video look forward to seeing more, keep being amazing🌟
Thanks Sarah! 🥰
Awesome video. Love the camera work at the start. Looking forward to seeing how it holds up
Man what a great looking bike. The colour scheme reminds me of classic motorbikes for some reason.
Great vid, love the music - got that Take 5 vibe going on the end. Beth - great job on the build. Curious to see if the bushing keeps its orientation, too!
So far so good!
Cinematography is on point
Soon you're going to be the slowpoke in the family, Ryan! Shredding!
thanks for the video, contemplating to mullet my Specialized Enduro 2021 using the Williams Racing Yoke. The biggest draw big is the cost of a rear-wheel.....
Please do a long term update and list of the parts for the upgrade
Mulleting can be a great way to update an older frame with a steep headtube angle. Putting a 29er fork and 27.5" wheel on the front of my old 2004 26" hardtail has transformed it into a very capable downhiller. It climbs for s**t, but I don't flinch anymore at anything I am comfortable taking my 2021 full squish bike down. It's bottom bracket height was lower to begin with and now matches a more modern clearance. The main thing is that the short wheel base will always just be something to deal with on it - though the extra lift at the front did stretch it out by about an inch.
This was a fun one to watch guys... very nice!
Had this same idea for my Ripmo before I determined the bike was too big and sold it. One of these days I'll try this out.
Interesting concept of going wider tire in back than the front. It appeared to work well.
I’ve been running Flexx Bars for a couple months with the Yellow inserts and not for one second do I regret the expense. I will admit, one would notice the difference way more after switching over to Flexx on a familiar set up. Beth should just notice less wrist pain though.
those colors look sick. frame /grips/cassette with the black sus looks 👌
Great review, I think its a better idea to use two bushings with half the offset. And locket them in. I did this to an old 26 inch Mojo years ago when I converted it to a 27.5 and it was great for a year or so. But it spun without me knowing, and I broke my swing arm when the back wheel hit the frame after landing a huck to flat jump. Ibis was really cool and sold me a used swing arm for 50.00. Except E bikes, I've ridden nothing but IBIS for 10 years now. Love them, and the company.
Beth is crushing it, you are one lucky dude to have her👌
Flying for such an early season ride!! Zoom Zoom!
You guys are a great team! Always love your content.
I bet the blurred bike is a forbidden dreadnaught.
Frame configuration looks like a Ripmo. Not sure if prototype, or Ryan just doesn't want to reveal his 2021 bike yet.
@@mrvwbug4423 My guess is a new carbon Ripley with AF geo, same as they did with the Ripmo.
The rear triangle has already been flashed on one of the earlier vids.
Beth was ripping down the tech stuff, way to go!
I never relized how good she was until now
beautiful build
This is SO well done... (In keeping up with your trend anyway 🤷🏼♂️🤘🏼)...
And it has me SO curious 🤔
I know right. A mullet Ripmo af ????? Hummmmmm
That was super cool!! How did those handlebars feel??
Spoiler alert: That bushing in the shock mount will definitley spin itself around. Nothing about this is a good idea.
I'm not saying "definitely", but I'm concerned too. I'd be more confident in it if they installed it with press fit bearing retaining compound and primer.
After a few days of riding which included many drops, jumps and rough sections, the bushing hasn't budged, not even a little. So we're pumped about that! If it did turn too easily we were going to try what Matthew suggested, but I'm glad we (probably) won't have to do that. We'll how it goes, long-term.
Those bars are interesting. I’ve never seen those.
I’m happy with them so far! After a little more time on them I’ll let you know what I think
The company is better known in the dirt bike world. Their bars are super popular with older dirt bike riders.
like them FastFlexx bars I got some too and they do make a difference for my carpal tunnel. Also just mulleted my Fugitive138.
That's an awesome build! I wish more manufacturers bring mullet options! It would be Ripmo-let or Ripmu-let, and would be widely popular for short legged folks!
you guys should install a pinch bolt in the shock for that bushing. Just dril and tap the shock housing and install a blt to hold it
@theloamranger - any updates to the bushing seeing it's been over a year with this set-up?
cool! looking forward to do the same someday with a raaw madonna! thx for great video & greetings from germany!
Great vid as per usual guys! Love how you're supporting a great Australian brand (Dharco).
We love them too!
Glad to see Beth back on dirt.
Those handlebars look crazy! Can we talk about them?
The handlebars DO look crazy! I’ll share my thoughts when I’ve had a bit more time on them. So far so good though!
The Bike looks great 👍
Wonderful! Thanks for sharing
Great video production!
best cinematography in the game
Jeesh! Beth shreds! Awesome video!!
Swansea trails???!!!!! so sick!!! We have a place like 15 mins away!!!!
I honestly believe the mojo is a great plattform to mullet convert. you have to sacrifice a little travel in the front, but that hasnt hurt my riding at all. My Mojo 5 is now 155 rear and 160 front.
I did a Mojo 4 mullet and it was pretty dang amazing, however, it got a little overwhelmed in the super chunk, which is what inspired me to figure out the Ripmo mullet. Both are amazing but I prefer the Ripmo mullet for overall speed and composure and rough trails.
@@gfowkes True that. Mojo is more of a playbike anyway, the ripmo is far superior on the rough and fast trails
Great Job Beth!!
Beth was fast 🤘.
I had the same idea of reverse offset bushing but balked when the bushing mfctr. said it would just turn around.... glad you guys were undeterred.
I have the fox style nylon insert on my shock between the bushing and the eyelet.... I imagine a metal sleeve would be more secure.... I assume that's how the MRP is set up....
Cool experiment! Did the offset bushing stayed in position? And she did a great job presenting 👍🏼
the pov with the 360 camera is very interesting
Very well filmed video, interesting to see a mullet conversion from a 29er.
One of the biggest benefit from a 27.5 rear, the shorter chainstay, is negated from this setup. Although you’ll still get the benefit of a lighter mass rear, and more clearance when shifting your weight behind the saddle.
Thanks! Funny thing is: Beth chose the Ripmo V2 over the HD5 (or other 27.5 bikes) partly because she *wanted* longer chainstays. Better climbing performance; better performance in rough, fast situations; overall better cornering characteristics, etc. There's a lot to love about longer chainstays :D
@@TheLoamRanger Ah that makes sense. I’m a bit stubborn with the old thinking that the shorter the chainstay the better haha. Many bike companies now are increasing the rear center on their bikes, for more high speed stability and climbing performance. Totally up to each rider for what ride characteristics they prefer 👊🏼
YES! The Crotch Cam. My personal favorite POV. Thinkin bout putting a 29 on the front of my 27.5 roscoe. Only downside is that Im REALLY diggin the 2.8 in that's on it now and I'd have to drop down to 2.3 to go 29 :(
sick! I've been thinking of doing the same with my 29r hardtail.. hmm... also SHE RIPS! More of Beth's riding POV dudes!
Ive been riding mulet bikes for about 4 years now.. I tried full 29er and it didn't like it as much.. Interesting that you put a wider tyre on back though.. I put wider on the front!
i have 2 hardtails and i modded both to mullets, best decision ever
Wow I just took my first ride on my mullet converted AF! This thing is amazing. The acceleration cornering and jumps are so much better.
Have you had any issues with the bushing on the ripmo AF? What else did you do except the bushing? How about pedal strikes?
@@lalleohman Ive had the bushing for 5 months of park riding on an XL ( least amount of bb drop). No issues so far. I’m running 165mm cranks. I’m on 2.6 tires front and rear.
@@melanatedmtb great to hear. Still waiting for my bushing. It takes forever to get stuff from Great Britain nowdays. What kind of tires are you on right now? Did you do anything with the bushing when you installed it? Have your tried the cascade link for the ripmo AF? Thanks
@@lalleohman My bushing took forever too. I plan on ordering another just to have it on hand when this one wears out. As for tires I’m running 2.6 Kenda Hellkat in the front and Regolith in the rear. They seem to be the lightest fastest rolling tires with very good grip. The grip of the hellkat is amazing. The grip of the Regolith is good but you can make it dance around when you want. Cascade said they’re might be frame/ rear triangle interference with the offset bushing so I left it alone.
@@lalleohman be aware before making the decision, the smaller rear wheel will make the bike climb slightly worse than the 29 but the benefits to jumping descending turning and moving the rear around is so much better.
Was doing this with 24/26 DJ N DH bikes back in the 90s. Man they were heavy
Oh man... Those trails... Why cant I has... :(
Well thought out set up. It worked out for you.
Sweeeet Beth! Probably one of my favourite videos that you guys have done. I love that it was you doing the build and not Ryan! And you totally ripped it out there! Certainly didn't look like you hadn't ridden dirt in months. Do you know where I could get Dharco in Canada? I love their stuff but haven't been able to find it anywhere. At least not anywhere that I could send it back if it didn't fit. Would you mind sharing what size you are wearing and/or how it fits compared to Fox and/or Sombrio? Thanks!
Thank you! DHaRCO is working on getting more of their stuff on the ground in Canada but in the meantime I know you can buy online and return. I’m currently wearing size M for pants and shorts and S for shirts. I found their size charts pretty accurate. For how I like fit, if your in between sizes I would size up for pants and down for shirts as I don’t like a tight waistband but I prefer a more fitted shirt.
I ran two offset shock bushes, set up 'backwards', on my mullet bike and they ended up spinning round. I just run standard bushes now and don't have much of an issue with pedal strikes!
On both of my Ebikes, I made them Mullet it's the only way to go especially if you riding technical trails
A Ripmo Mullet - This is a first for me! I'm surprised I haven't seen any other
RUclipsrs try it yet! Awesome idea!!
What I wonder, is it worth it? Since you guys are sponsored you probably have the parts you need laying around, but to the average Joe or Jane rider, would you recommend it?
I wonder how the shock will hold up with that offset busing too. I'm reluctant to go against manufactures since it could not only void the warranty, but would also be a hassle to deal with the consequences if something breaks and fails.
You guys should do a longer term review, 3 months from now would be great!
I've always enjoyed the vibe of your videos and now, seeing the progression of your production quality and riding skills, I'm enjoying your content even more! You're my go-to BC MTB riding video source!
Thanks Dave! 🍻
Awesome 🔥🤙
Business in the front, party in the back = DHF 29er and Minion SS 27.5
That's the "I only ride flow trails at parks" setup hehe.
Hopefully the shock yoke doesn't smack into the frame at some point, that gap is tight enough on a stock Ripmo, with the offset bushing that looks REALLY tight. With the Ripmo BB being super low already I never really thought it would be a good platform to mullet.
sick build
Whoa! Where are these trails? Did Canmore dry up this quick already?
Beth sending it is great
That’s cool
To do a proper reverse mullet, don't you have to replace the front fork not just the front wheel?
If you put an eccentric BB in, you can move the cranks back to steeper the effective seat angle or rotate it to the top to raise the cranks.
Hmm interesting. I've never heard of eccentric BB's. I'll look into it!
Haven't found a threaded eccentric BB. Do you happen to know who makes one?
@@gfowkes I’ve moved bought one but this is the one I researched. I have a pressfit so I bought a different one.
www.firstcomponents.com/buy-here/
@@techjeeper8800 Thanks!
Can you update the build please? Still riding it? Bushings starting put?
It’s still her daily driver! It’s all still working like it did on day one. The reversed offset bushing hasn’t budged and there’s been no noticeable change in pedalling performance.
That is a mixed wheel Ibis Ripmo, also known as a Ibis 79er.. Try a Mullet Peacemaker!!
How did you adjust the shocks? I tried this and find they are very stiff. Any suggestions for shock adjustments? Have Lyrik up front and DVO in back
Me with a 2008 bike with 26 inch wheels 😢
Wonder how it could feel having an extreeme mullet hardtail with a 26er frame and 29er fork!
Maybe a 26x2.4 and a 29x2.4
Clearance will improve, such a high BB, short chainstays and small bach wheel make up for a lor of party in the back end. But the big 29er in the front end with a 130 to a 140mm travel fork is bussiness for shure.
If someone knows a good video with something similar to what I described please reply to this comment!
Awesome riding Beth, you were ripping. Have you guys had an opportunity to check up on the offset bushing? Did it move or stay as you installed it?
Two rides in and it has stayed in place so far! 👌
My first expensive mountain bike I just bought used is a mullet
I realize this is an older video, but I'm trying to find a new shorter travel bike and can't find any without a 29" wheel in the back which I have not found to work well on any small frames that I've tried. Do you have a long term review of this set up? Would the offset bushing work on any bike? Where did you get it from? Did it ever end up rotating out of position? How did the mullet set up affect the climbing? If it makes the climbing a lot worse, it would kind of negate the benefit of having a shorter travel bike for me.
nice job beth. you look amazing