Reacting To "The Truth About Low Elo"
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First off thank you so much for making this, I had a big smile on my face the entire time and you took every single point in the video and added way more detail and it was awesome to watch so thank you for this. You were also correct, the progression I am seeing whether it be my cs numbers, dmg numbers all that stuff even if the game is going bad or well my averages have been doing better so that in itself to me makes the game more fun to me. I am a casual league player but I love the pro scene so that keeps me in it lol I seriously never expected this type of love from these videos but warms my heart so see all the positive and kind messages. Thank you again for the video and appreciate the very kind words, all the best bro.
You sound like a really chill guy to play league with, my dude. Very positive vibe.
what a wholesome react-video interaction.
Keep it up man. You have a much better mentality than many others as far as wanting to continually improve, not tilting, and focusing on objective control. You will definitely continue to climb with that mentality, as long as you don't get stuck with a lot of trolls and feeders lol. But even then you should rarely get those.
my avg cs, dmg and kda is more than positive and on a plat niveau (says porofessor) while i play in iron 1-bronze 4. but here comes the point. if i lose with this positive stats i always get flamed by one of my teammates for being shit. then i look them up on opgg and what do i see? an avg cs of 3 and a avg kda of 3/12/8 like wtf. and THOSE are the people flaming others in low elo. u cant argue with them, i tried. all they do is be even more toxic, report u and tell others to report u too in /all chat. and then i get chat banned for nothing. how does Riot think this game would ever be played by new players???? League is the most toxic game in the world (even Fifa is better lmao) and as long they do nothing about it, this will not change. all they need to do is give players one Account. just one. no smurf. smurf should be illegal. and players should register with personal reallife ID so if they are toxic they get banned or if they be toxic over and over again real life punishment can made happen like ip ban or have to pay real life money for herassing other people.
okay maybe the last point is too much, but if players would only have one single acc, they would think more than twice before shittalking other in /all chat, being toxic ...
and imo there is no point anyone can come up with that would be a valid arguement against me here
@@charli4815play with /mute all and dont focus on the flame
Having come back to the game recently, I really connect with this guy's perspective. I didn't really play Neeko before I left the game and now coming back and loving her kit, it makes me excited to play the game. Gonna stay focused and keep my head up playing through low elo myself
Same, I used to be so tilted and now that I'm coming back I'm like ''eh whatever, I'll just improve''.
PS: my secret trick is typing /mute all as soon as I get in the game
Broooo I came back and changed main and lane. Im now a mid player and I just feel like so much more FRESH and im just having fun now!
You should probably link the original video somewhere in the description or pinned comment ;) This guy had a great video, and deserves the traffic
Done!
wow, a commentor really needed to tell him to do this
@@CoachCurtis can't find it
I think there is alot of people like him playing league.
In a game they will not the ones standing out. they concentrate, try to make something happen, play their role, coordinate with team. Toxicity takes over everything but I firmly believe someone truly trying to figure out this game while having fun is not talking in chat for 30mins straight.
When you try to climb its so easy to focus on what is going wrong and tilt. I played from season 1 to 6 mostly raging all the time. took a break.. grew up and came back for season 11. I can now say I am this guy. Just having fun, learning something new everygame.
Great video, I love hearing about a new players journey of going through the ranks, especially when their mindset is as good as this guy.
My tip for lower elo players (or anyone really): always focus on improving rather than winning and you'll have a much better time.
This mindset works for anything in your life
I have a similar experience climbing. I first ranked in bronze 2 when I first started playing in season 10, then climbed to gold in season 11, and plat 4 in season 12, now Emerald 3 this season.
The biggest thing I noticed was that things just went horribly wrong less often in plat and Emerald than in silver or bronze. As an ADC player in silver, very often my supports had no idea what they were doing, stealing my CS, trying to fight 1v2 after I recalled, breaking my freezes with abilities or just autoing minons for no particular reason. In plat they were actively helping me CS under tower, holding waves for freeze, warding river, and roaming only when I was safe.
I actually started to enjoy playing ranked more once I got to higher elo because, except for an unlucky game with a particularly tilted player, the games felt less chaotic and more engaging. In low elo there really is this sense of everything falling apart constantly and players throwing randomly for greedy plays. I had to learn to not let the choas tilt me, which it definitely did when I was hard stuck in silver for a few months.
Higher elo players do expect more from their teammates, but they seem to have a better grasp on what is realistic for their team to accomplish and what is their fault. In gold in silver I'd get pinged for random bad plays I could do nothing to assist in as low elo players just assume that everyone else is always making the worst play possible because it doesn't help them.
The only way I climbed out of the low elo pit of chaos was focusing on my laneing fundamentals and eventually I started to pick up on the best ways to punish mistakes to win lane. The other thing is that while your team is usually trying to throw games, the other team is too and taking advantage of that can secure a lot of LP. Personally, I found a high ELO player to VOD review particularly tricky games on occasion which helped teach me a lot about trading in lane and wave management even in really bad matchups.
recently hit plat/emerald mmr in gold 1 and went on a 5 game loss streak with the dumbest most braindead teammates you've ever seen. Idk what server you play on but on NA emerald feels just like bronze.
@@lumayne8829 I'm on NA as well, and as a former bronze player, Emerald definitely isn't bronze. The main thing is that mistakes are more highly punished so if you do have even one bad teammate, the enemy will exploit them as much as possible. It definitely gets much harder to solo carry games for the average player the closer you get to diamond+ as games end so much faster.
@coolbrotherf127 and that's what suck about adc in high elo. If your mid or jg feed and gets behind. It's pretty much gg as the snowballing with mid pressure and objective gets out of hand since high elo players know how to close out games compare to low elo.
@@SourPatchKunsame thing could be said for any other role lol. if anything bot laners are usually the ones liable to be feeding
Nice job bro :D Congrats
Now next time learn to use new lines and spaces when redacting instead of a wall of text :3
I think the thing that hit the hardest in this vid for me was the whole thing about self sabotaging and how you could be so much better if you didn't do that and were able to play to your actual best level. I honestly think if my life outside of League wasn't so stressful right now, I could unlock my true skill level and be better than I can even imagine right now. But eh, what can you do, those are not easy problems to solve.
The thing about playing the champ that you love is also really important. For some players, including myself, motivation dies when you're playing a champion you just don't find much fun in playing.
I want to talk about your first point at 1:40.
When this season started I played on two accounts back to back for days on end, huge binges.
On acc 1 I climbed to emerald, last season it was ranked silver.
On acc 2 I climbed to plat, last season was gold.
What I noticed was that I got stuck on the second acc at plat, even though I was breezing through plat on the first account literally on the same day, playing the same champion in the same role.
There is definitely an element of luck in games and even in bunches of games. You can have 5 games in a row that can be almost unwinnable, then have another 5 that are almost un-losable. I guess over time it evens out (maybe), but your point where that one friend can give you amazing tips sometimes doesn’t make sense as in this case I am the guy stuck in plat and also the guy who breezes through plat at the same time.
Thanks for the video.
i think im obsessed with 'hi everyone and welcome to another video. and today...' by now
thank you for your hard work
just made it to platinum climbing from silver and the best thing that changed my perspective was "i don't lose, either I win or I learn" and my winrate shot to like 60-70% after i started looking at the game that way (and also don't say anything unless its "mb" or "wp" lol)
They should wright that quote on the required reading everyone checks off in game before each season.
Guy in video: "I think their micromanagement is shit - but obviously they're silver players"
Curtis: "What a positive guy" 💀
I like the react andy content, I feel like it compliments the more in depth stuff quite well
If you are below Plat, surrendering should never be a consideration, imo. Low elo is nonstop throws, and there is always a way to win. I personally never vote yes for a surrender, but I would say that surrendering is only healthy for your climb if your team is active griefing AND being toxic. Playing to win is always the best mindset in any sport. Probably my best memory in my entire life was from a lacrosse game agaisnt the team that was undefeated 16-0 in the last game of the season. We were down by 6 at the end of the third quarter when my best friend and I told our coach to put us in and we promised to go "Beast mode". We scored 5 points between the two of us and brought the game to a tied 13-13, sending the game to overtime. We ended up beating the undefeated opponent by a single point and the end of the game was the most satisfying and ecstatic moment of my life. Knowing that my tenacity and indomitable spirit of the game led to tangible success (and Victory!) solidified my personality as someone who will never give up, regardless of the situation. If you always play your heart out, you will find that your limits are not something that constrains, rather something that pushes you to new heights. There is a winner in every game of League (less remakes) and playing the game for the love of the game and seeking victory at all times will not only make you a better player, but a better person as well.
"Never give up. Never surrender" -Pantheon
no link to the original video? :(
I’m struggling with staying positive with league lately. I’m an illaoi main and have a 59% WR. I’m in bronze and just can’t keep the motivation to push through when it feels like games that I loose are only my fault 1/4 or 1/5 times. I understand that not all games can be won and that I am making mistakes an can make better plays/decisions. Watching this video makes me think about my mindset, I play ranked ONLY for LP and to be able to say I’m this rank or that rank. I’ve realised that I have lost the love for learning the game that I had when I switched from norms to ranked about a year ago. I think mentality and playing the game for the right reason is the #1 thing to having a healthy relationship with the game and actually improving
if you want to actually climb. Drop ego. Focus on yourself. Focus not on winning the game instead look to improve. Mute all. Watch better players and learn about concepts like wave management. Understand what your win condition is (in low elo it's you) Itemisation is also important. This is the most important thing > Stop autopiloting. Look every few seconds on the map and figure out where the enemy jnglr is. Never blame your teammates and constantly try to understand why you died and how u can do better next time. If you know some fundamentals you can easily reach gold. I have two master accs toplane to give some credibility. Good luck. You have to be honest with yourself and be open to mistakes and not take it personal since it stops you growing as a person. This applies to everything in life.
Since there are 5 players on each team, it seems to make sense to me that losses are your fault only 1 in 5 times.
Don't play Illaoi , its a gimmicky champ . Land E = win lane . Don't land E = lose lane . Play something with cc .
Just play Jax.
I started playing League in season 2, and I was addicted to ranked for like 5 years. One day, I was queuing up, and I just had a sudden realization of how much time I was wasting doing something that wasn't fun. I not only closed the game, I uninstalled, and didn't touch the game for YEARS. Came back to it a year or two ago, and it's been a healthy hobby that doesn't take priority over real life. Now when I see people getting super frustrated, I feel like they're playing the game for the wrong reasons. League is genuinely a fun game if you get into it excited to play the game.
As for low elo top lane, it's a wave management game. If you learn some wave macro and just prioritize optimizing your exp, you'll quickly find yourself out leveling most the game. This is why smurf top laners end up level 17 when youre level 12, and taking advantage of this is, in my opinion, the *best* way to climb low elo as a top.
I like this "reaction" content, to kill a bunch of narratives from the community and keep the channel more active, so we can see your handsome beard again and again
Totally agree,its a really great beard
I think you lost track around the end there lol
@@trentrich7832 was a joke
Its sad that this guy is super toxic in his coaching discord tho
really? can you elaborate? i've only ever heard good things.@@electrixksttv1257
one of the concepts that you mention in this video happens to me all the time. I'll be going about my day when I stumble across a pro-players stream (jankos) and ill tune in for the duration of the game to see if there's anything I can pick up on and all I see is him making mistake after mistake after mistake but I don't understand why a pro player would make these mistakes and then I realise this is his 10th game of the day and he's lost like 7 of them and I'm like "ahh now i get it"
"because they already did the climb" ya but my friend who got from silver to plat somehow didn't have back to back to back games where 2 of his lanes went literally 0/15, it's a gamble, nothing else. If I win lane 80% of my games I don't have an 80% win rate, because even if I am 10/1, the 15/1 yasuo that god feed in the completely opposite end of the map now kills me.
"have more expectations from their teammates" when doing the question mark ping after they 1 v 5 inted at minute 35 and it cost us the game, that's straight up an idiot.
"make the enemy sweat for their LP" that's why I play ASol, I'm keeping them hostage, got a match where I had 700+ stacks, match lasted 65 minutes and despite being a hard losing match, eventually even my 4/22 Cait got full items and SOMEHOW we won, if not I'd have kept them hostage, you're not pushing any base as long as a 700+ stack ASol is alive, unless that ASol ints and dies.
At the end of the day, after 12 years of being stuck in silver and only this season getting to gold, I can tell you that you just have to keep throwing enough shit at the wall, some will eventually stick. All you have to do is win lane (which I do 80% of my games) and hope your team doesn't feed, then maybe just maybe you can get to mid-game and carry against a non-fed enemy team. It sucks by it is what it is, luck more than skill as long as you don't feed your lane.
I played yuumi soloq only on my alt and went from silver 3 to silver 4 😎
how does it feel being able to leave the game open go for a coffee and don't get penalized for it?💯
I be locking in yuumi when auto filled and pull up netflix on my phone. Gotta embrace the yuumi coinflip
I’m currently stuck at Emerald 3-1 and I’ve noticed big issues about the ranking system/teammates. Usually games are around 40-60% winnable as long as you play normally, however around 60/100 of all my games would consists of lose/win streaks. I identify them usually by draft, usually off meta picks or if our comp consists of all range and no frontline/support or full AD(never AP). I would consider these games ‘losers queue’ since a majority of them, my teammates would lose their lane to narnia and even if I do try to dodge, riot would still put me In a similar situation with auto filled teammates/people who are also on a losing streak. Winning streaks however occur the day after my losing streak, and in these, no matter who I play, as long as I play moderately well or even average my teammates would carry me to a win with a score like 15/2/7 on rengar. The Worst part is I always know when the losing streak begins but I can’t do anything about it. The main factor that has helped me climb to my current rank are in those 40 other games that aren’t part of the streak since these games are 50/50 and require more skill expression on my part since being just slightly better than your laner would help the scoreboard just a little.
Also noticing this, when the matchmaker wants you to lose it's not even subtle anymore it's turbo blatant.
How long does it take for the average bronze player to un-tilt?
It takes me anywhere from a few minutes to a few months @.@
The truth about low elo is that the players who stay there just pick shit like senna support because they feel like playing the champ is fun and run at enemies because thats just what you do. People who escape low elo are the people who have a plan on winning the game. The difference is literally "play for fun vs play to win/improve". Thats why having fun isnt a thing once you hit high elo. Because there isnt any room for fun to get and stay there.
My personal rules for low elo play:
1) Turn off all comms at the start of every game.
2) Never leave, AFK, flame or even speak. If the corrupt algorithm throws a loosing game at you, just farm, stay clam and don't let the loss affect your emotions.
3) If you lose two games in a row, stop playing for at least 24h on that account. This will train the algorithm to stop trying to make you lose anytime you go on a winning streak.
4) Play what you want, how you want but don't expect to climb playing off meta picks. At low ELO simply picking an off meta champ will usually tilt your team mates, initiate flaming and reduce your chances of winning.
5) Dodge games anytime: the enemy team has more noobstompers than yours (Illaoi, Jax, Akali etc...); your team mates talk a lot or flame during champ select; your team has more than one off meta pick; someone picked Yuumi.
Is this helping me climb? No but it does help me keep my sanity and increase my enjoyment of this great game.
So i have been starting to play league end of last split. Im shortly before silver now with a 54% winrate on about 60 matches and consumed TONS of content and got to know a few players from diamond+ who help me with questions and vod reviews. In Bronze people are flaming you for things that THEY think are wrong even if you are making the right decision. I THINK this is because youre making the decision that is helping YOU making the best out of the situation sometimes and not the decision that would be best for THEM (Example: You retreat to not die so you can defend and they cant take a tower. Because you retreat you cannot help your teammate and he dies. You couldnt save him but he doesnt realize because he doesnt do his homework). So you do the right thing in the End but your mate doesnt see that. Im an adc/jungle player and when my support goes in when i visibly am not able to and therefore dies even after i ping him away i get pinged for that. If i dont want to gank top when my toplaner is constantly pushing against his counter matchup. People dont realize. They want you to be some kind of "Hero" some kind of Mythical creature that magically becomes a challenger smurf and completely save the play for them which you obviously cant do sometimes. I just do the play i think is right and i stick to that. Not listening to bad calls is really important especially for junglers. I usually just mute them and go on with what i want to play around for that match. Usually i focus more on Heralds instead of drakes since many people dont really make good use of drakes and heralds can just give me platings from 2 different towers. Adcs and supports dont understand the concept of rotating to herald if their lane is unplayable aswell. I think i learned alot in the short time im playing league now and learning this is a constant process which you cannot pause on. Most people dont learn this every day. Most just play league and watch entertainment-league-content and call it a day. No vod-reviews, no admitting mistakes etc etc.
dragon soul is a very consistent way to win, not garrenteed but solid. 2nd herald is usually not worth, because no plates.
good mindset though 👍
@@darkfyy thank you for your comment! yes i always sweat for first herald (not flipping it though) and i take any drake i can if i have the tempo and pathing if i can secure early drakes its ok to drop like 3rd drake later on, no? i feel like if i have 2 heralds im snowballing really hard with eve. most of the games i get both heralds and take mid/top tower down very fast i feel like i snowball out of control and buy mejais asap. if their teamcomp is somewhat squishy (example: quinn/elise/akshan/ashe/senna) i am just going around picking people off and getting towers quickly in these scenarios. thats like the perfect match i can play right now in this elo. many matches where we get their t1 towers before ours fall i can carry for sure especially with lulu/yuumi support on my team
@@darkfyy 2nd herald is definitely worth it, please don't spread misinformation. It's a great way to gain more map control or break a T2 side lane tower, which has a 600g local reward. General statements in league do not work, you have to get into the details. Some games in given situations drakes are more worth, some games in some situations heralds are more worth. They are both valuable objectives that are ALWAYS worth if they are free. Context of the game determines which is more valuable at any given point.
@@iTzzTronco If I were to give a thought process around these early neutral objectives as a jgler, I take early drake IF it's guaranteed/high % in that 5-7 minute mark. This requires a lead in my bot and/or mid(in the form of straight champion diff, priority/first move, and lack of threat from enemy jg/lane move). 7 minutes and later I am looking to set myself up to pressure herald when it spawns at 8 minutes. I don't care about first drake if it hasn't been contested at all by 8minutes. I want the rift herald gold to snowball myself into a leading position to contest other drakes. Of course, if enemy doesn't take drake in response to herald because they want to contest me, I will still look for opportunities to take that first drake afterward. I'm simply PRIORITIZING herald, it does not mean ignore drake. Giving 2nd drake is also fine if you HAVE to. Again, both objectives are important, but you have to read the game state and decide in the moment when these objectives are contestable or not.
Disclaimer: Im a diamond jgler and maybe this is a bad perspective to have if someone would be looking to climb higher, but this has worked for me because it creates consistency in my games and allows me a clear way to get a lead.
Also note, there is no reason to force drake after a gank during that 5-7 minute mark unless it's absolutely free. Something you'll learn eventually is about tempo. Forcing your bot lane to move and help you with drake after they 2v2 kill their opponent may actually hurt them if they can't shove the wave in and get a good reset before the enemy returns to lane.
Reaction videos and league of legends are my guilty pleasures, more of this content please Curtis!
If there is one thing that took me so long to learn while playing League or Dota or any competitive video game, is having fun. I know its a concept that a lot of people would eyeroll and be like "what does that even mean?", i am by no means advocating playing badly just for the sake of fun here. But at the end its a game, a hobby and there is something really wrong if you are getting mad while playing a game.
And like you said keeping calm is a lot easier said than done. But somehow in my recent years, maybe because i am not a kid anymore, it feels very much easier done than not. I have managed to achieve understanding that perspective and i am having way more fun playing games in general now. And this was a massive change for me because i used to be really guilty getting mad at people getting mad at the game etc. I was never having fun. Even when i was winning i was mad. And since i played a lot of games it didn't just effect my mental in front of the computer it effected my mental outside of it aswell. Having fun is the number one rule of any game. There is no point playing a game if its making you mad, it is a very healthy decision to stop at that point.
It's insanely hard to play support as low elo. Not only do I have less gold/exp and items, I have to do ALL the damage and somehow carry the game because I cannot rely on teammates. I main enchanters but those are only good with half competent ADC's. I have a positive winrate but it doesn't matter because it takes so long to climb. If there's a bot in my game I lose, if top lane feeds I lose. Even if I prio other lanes and ward every obj, it doesn't matter because jungle will for sure die before the obj starts.
something I know from being in low elo alot just due to not really caring for improvement people will go into a 12 game loss streak and just keep insta queuing after each loss and they are a wreck by the end
What you really need to know about low elo is this: players have no idea how to close out a game. All they want to do is team fight constantly. They ignore baron when you just got a triple kill on the enemy team. They make the games so much harder to win than it should be.
My strategy is for bronze and below is to pick a split pushing top laner. Completely ignore your team. Just shove down every tower and hope your team gets objectives while you are destracting the other team.
In silver pick a roaming mid laner. Your junglers are going to afk farm all game and never get objectives. You need to make sure your top and bot lanes win their lanes.
In silver and bronze scaling champs are a good pick. Games are going to much longer than they are supposed to.
One of the most difficult things about silver elo… you have a wide range of types of players..
Brand new ACTUAL level 38 players…
Hard stuck players that have been playing for 13 years, that KNOW an insane amount of info about the game, they know every champ and every item and know the patch notes… but are just hard stuck…
You also have people on literal throw away accounts…
Players that are chat restricted, mega tilted… “on edge” like this guy mentioned
at the end if you play something u don't like u basically play against yourself
but I also want to say the more time u spend playing something and understanding it the more u gonna feel comfortable and maybe even end up liking it
i randomly saw this video on my feed and i was honestly pleasantly surprised. even if it’s not the most accurate video i think he has a pretty good mindset and was really well-spoken for a guy with only a few subscribers
I watched the original the other day in the same manner. Lol. Algorithms gonna algorithm
pretty unrelated but i think sometimes youll see low elo players attempt to apply strategies they see in high elo, with the key difference being that they are simply doing it incorrectly; this might be due to a lack of understanding as to why the thing is done, or how it's actually supposed to be done. a great example is in this video:
take this invade at 9:10
enemy team has a great idea and (maybe) seems to understand their inherent champion advantage at lvl 1 so they go for an invade. they have a thresh, meaning they can hook and lock onto a champion, in this case it's the wukong. you have a yasuo with a nado for follow up/chain cc, a nami and a xin zhao. ideally, xin starts q, which only adds to the chain cc power but that's irrelevant, whatever. the decision to invade shows at least a little, that they understand the idea of putting pressure on the enemy team, especially if the decision was based on their team composition.
missed summs and spells aside, where things go work is the actual application of the technique/strategy. if this is a diamond+ game, you can expect more optimal and cohesive target focus. initially, the wukong is the main focus, with them eventually forcing out his flash. one summ down. in diamond+ the invade might actually even end there. it's worth it. you got the junglers flash and now the wukong has to play safer, cant go for riskier ganks or 50/50s because of a lessened escape path. in low elo, however, the enemy team continues to chase, and exhausts more resources than they have to. the extended chase is actually rewarded, in a way, because they managed to get both of kaisa's summs and a taric flash. at that point, you've basically won the early game. kaisa has no heal or flash, taric has no flash and wukong has no flash. this gives you basically permanent priority bot, and if not, you punish the over extending due to a lack of summs and kai'sa's inherent early game weakness.
if done optimally, early game shenanigans that are executed in a much more hectic/suboptimal manner have the potential to be great plays if low elo players took the time to analyze situations. think about what tools you have, what they allow you to do and then think about what tools the enemy has, and what they can do with those tools to stop you from doing what you want to do.
I personally have to think of league like a Trading Card Game.
In the TCG world you normally draw 7 out of 60 cards in your starting hand and the game is determined in 3-7 turns (unless it's Yu-Gi-Oh 😅). This means you only saw anywhere from 1/6 to 1/3 of your deck. With 4 max cards in your deck your CHANCES of hitting the right cards is always there but never guaranteed. You have to play with the cards you have against your opponent. You will lose games and you will win games, it's about playing the long game(s) and learning /growing. I think it's a good way to think about the game and to be optimistic about playing the game.
I don't know if this will connect with anyone but it helped my mental a lot!
I also have another mindset similar: You troll: yhea, i don't surrender to trolls. You have to sweat to lose the game.
You'd be surprised how many games it takes just 1 troll to pull the rest of the team together
I played phase rush poppy support from bronze 4 to gold recently with a large majority of my gameplay being just flashing or walking up or hexflashing characters in to walls and roaming mid a lot. You can walk over scuttle vision and still get ganks off often. I think maybe playing a high impact support like an engage support and learning roam timers alone can take you quite far.
I just wanted to leave a comment and let you know how much your videos have helped me improve mentally and skill wise. I enjoy your humbleness and thorough explanations. This was a great reaction video. Love to see it 😁
How climbing works:
You know what you're doing wrong, you do your best to eliminate those mistakes, you climb.
Eventually, you no longer know what you're doing wrong.
From an outside perspective, you are definitely doing stuff wrong, but you can't see it yourself.
However, you will notice your teammates mistakes.
Since you're "not doing anything wrong", and your teammates are making "lots of mistakes", that's why you can't climb.
Because your limited competence makes you overestimate your abilities.
=> Frustration.
Started the season off iron 2 and I'm currently silver 2 and I personally believe some of my success has been with muting chat and only using pings. My reasoning is low elo does have a lot of tilting players before the game even starts and I rather focus on what I need to do when I'm behind instead of arguing with my jg or other lanes
you should start a series or something where you coach this guy to see how high he can get
I love that line "make the enemy earn my LP"
the thing about pings is nearly every famous content creator, pro, youtuber/twitch shows some weird very specific problem in a game highlighting the one problem that was the reason for that play and sets it in a unrealistic high level. like if you hit that one minion you cant go base or lose a wave and as a result you lose the game. but in reality its fucking low elo and very often you lose the game not because of some cs you missed in lane but you facechecked a bush before elder without backup or any information. i personally fullmute everything and i hope that riot gives us someday the possibility to mute some specific pings like the hook or the "?" ping or disable pings like "teammember is alive/dead"
and another part might be that low elo player have only one template how a game should be played and hold onto that plan without adapting so that everything that isnt planned gets them mad and confused. i have a friend(adc main) for example whos getting nearly a mental brakedown when his support hits a minion and he constantly bans brand because of this
I don't even play this game right now, but listening to Coach's mental and positive attitude fires me up to be better at other things.
def im on edge playing the game but me personally it doenst matter what i do or react cuz my understanding stays the same, if u knwo what u supposed to do supposed to play, but best advice is this that games are 40-40-20 and its like 40 are winers 40 losers and 20 up to u to win game if u are in bad mmr just start a new acc, i play league 3k+ games per year and i went through this and only way to climb is with ok mmr, and u understanding draft
I really wish jungle was a role where you can play 1-2 champions you enjoy and be good. Sadly jungle sees so many balance changes that might just drop your champion to unplayable within a single patch, that you have to adapt or troll pick
I can definitely attest to the ease of tilt in low elo. I can get kinda tilted sometimes, I'm not immune to this. But you see sooooooo many people mental booming because something happened that wasn't a massive deal and then throwing the game because they're not thinking about the game anymore. They're thinking about this mistake.
Dude, I'm like teetering on Plat and the thing that KILLS ME, is I seriously do not understand how people go 1/10, or bot lane will be 3/25 and shit before 15 minutes. Like, I NEVER have a single game like that EVER. I may die 5 or 6 times, or maybe go 1/5 or something.. but first of all, that's fucking rare and NOT that bad for a bad game. But dude.. every other game I play, my team collectively is 5/30 by 15 minutes. It's insane. And I don't care if you're challenger or not, when you are having a normal challenging game in your own lane and can't carry, the fact that their jggl and bot lane or whatever is coming into your lane absolutely fed out of their fucking ass, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it, period. The fact that it happens SO often, is what I just don't understand... how are people not bronze STILL playing that badly? It just makes no sense to me.
you are focusing too much on others
I can give you a reason: they are trying to snowball their game and they make a mistake and end up inting.
Why are they in your games if they are so "bad"? is because they are heavily coinflipping games.
BUT ALSO: they are winning games that your passive low death gameplay don't let you win.
SO: your passive gamplay with low deaths and their coinflip carry or feed playstyle nets kinda the same Elo or win rate and thats why you have them in your games.
Just "playing to not die" is not enough. Stop complaining about other death's and actually contribute to your team wins (get early, CS leads, get kills, make significative contributions in TFs, play macro properly)
They are the players that if you look at their history goes 10/3/9 or 3/10/9 with high Kill participation and you are the kind that goes 3/2/3 with low kill participation most games and think is not your fault.
Low ELO hell is so real.
- No one wards
- have no map awareness
- too toxic, people leave/afk at the drop of a hat.
Hi! Im emerald 1, peak emerald and i struggle to play melee vs ranged champs. They will poke me instantly to under 50% hp, so i cant farm until lvl 3. And lvl 3 i can farm little bit; but then they harass more; and they force recall, and i lose waves. What should i do in that situation? I'll end up sitting under tower TRYING to farm, but get poked all the time, cause ofc enemy sees minions im about to last hit.
So tldr; im stuck there losing lane and sometimes getting dived by him. 50% off the times ofc jungler sees the situation and comes to force recall enemy.
But 50% times they just do nothing and if i ping help they respond "can't help, need farm". I only need them to cross the mid even once xD
As someone who recently went from plat to emerald (and kinda hardstuck rn lol), what made me promote after a few years of stagnation in silver is one piece of advice some of the coaches actually preach. Stick to a few champs. i play Ornn, Pantheon and Swain and I can play all of them in multiple roles so even if I get autofilled, I don't suffer. This also allows you learn more matchups for a particular champion for that sweet muscle memory and instinct. Having streamers/youtubers that play these champs in master and champion elo also really helps as you can visualize how to play. (Shoutout to Makkro, Spearshot and Husum)
spearshot enjoyer W
I love his mentality as well. Would benefit league a lot if more people were like this. I try to help people post games sometimes since I am in gold and many times they are in silver or bronze (aka ranked flex) and they just rage. Very rare to find someone who actually wants to learn or improve. They just flame and blame others rather than taking advice from people who have been in their shoes and climbed higher. Very frustrating so I try less and less to advise others on how to improve b/c they just don't listen. He is 100% correct. Low elo players are definitely always on edge, don't take advice well, don't listen to pings, and rarely focus on objectives. They just want huge teamfights and to rack up a lot of kills
made it to d4 this split :D
edit: was p2 last split, Irelia OTP, Viego jg secondary
You said on your podcast youve been learning Tali. Should i expect a tali guide? Shes a lot different than you last guide. No damage nowadays.
Also I'd recommend Odysseus131 on the euw server for Taliyah content. He's goated
Could you put the original videos link into the description I'm interested
Touching on the “on-edge” thing in lower elos, I remember bronze was actually pretty chill most people there knew they weren’t good or were really new and inexperienced in the game, even when I raged they took it well. Silver too. It gold and plat where alot of people start being on edge and egoing. Diamond is actually really chill. Rarely get the idiot who posts a 5 game win streak and days “mid or feed” or act like they’re better than everyone. Diamond has ego but it’s not acted on as much. At least in my experience.
at 8:30 he's technically ruining it for 3 ppl, as you said the mid laner and adc plays worse but the support himself is playing worse too by sabotaging (that's more than half the team)
I see so many people talking about oh coaching an mistakes and such. Mate, no, it's futile, I just leveled a new account on euw just to get 15 LP per win and 35 LP per loss, constantly having trolls and leavers in my team. One single leaver/troll/feeder puts you back more than double of what a win gets you ahead. It's the dumbest thing ever
serious question: how do people get stuck in plat and below? I genuinely feel like i just play "for fun" and constantly make the aggressive play and climb pretty easy
get MRI plz
@@wendelmar as in brain scan mri?
I think they should introduce teaching, like when you get a drivers license.
When you play support and dont buy red trinket in 90% of the games you should be sent to a course.
Refreshing content! Thanks coach!
In S11 I began playing. I started iron 2, peaked silver 2 and ended silver 4. In S12 I started iron 1, peaked gold 1 and ended gold 2. In S13 I started silver and as of this comment emerald 4 67lp. I've never really been taking the game seriously.
A few tricks I did to get better at the game quickly was not play to win, but play to learn.
1. in many games I'd think of something to do and aim to do it. For example: "okay I'm playing lux support, I will start E this game hit and aim to hit the 3 ranged minions at level 1" doing this "thinking-on-the-go" is something you see high elo players doing all the time. It's not just because they're on camera, but actively talking (or thinking) yourself though the game as you play is how you learn faster as you're going to mention what you did wrong, what you did right, your thoughts on a situation before and after, what you'll want to do after you bought your item (this one's hard), if you win or lose a skirmish, what a particular enemy ability being on CD means for your positioning, etc. And naturally you'll even start anticipating what the enemy might do to you before they even do it.
2. Start playing for the more recent future. There was this study of open ai on dota 2 seeing how good an ai can get at the game, something worth noting here that even possible for us humans to do (and us humans already do it) is playing for the future.
The AI was given different time blocks to plan for. A "plan to have the biggest lead by n minutes" they did 3 minutes, 6, minutes, 12, minutes, 30, minutes, and 1hr. Planning for 3 mins gave them about a 50% win rate. Playing for 6 - 12 minutes gave them a 54%, and playing for 30% and beyond only made their win rates be below 50% and lower.
This is essentially saying that playing for the more recent future is better for winning. However, how often do you in low elo try playing for the late game? Low elo games might be slower than challenger games, but playing at at a silver level at s silver pace won't even work well in gold. Now, playing for 12 minutes into the future is unrealistic. We're not bots, plus dota has different pacing to league. But you can definitely aim to play for 3 - 6 minutes ahead. Playing for the recent future (early game) is better than playing for the late game. Don't just stand afk dead before minions spawn, try looking for an advantage as they spawn at 1:30, that's not even needing to think 3 minutes ahead.
But look at how league is broken up
1.30 - minions spawn
3.00 - first cannon minion wave spawns spawns
3.30 - crab spawns
5.00 - dragon
8.00 rift spawns
14.00 - plates fall
20.00 - baron spawns
26.00 - cannon minions spawn on every wave
Notice how none of these are greater than 6mins apart? Even bonus ones like:
camps respawn every 2.15(just round this to 2:30)
buff's respawn every 5.00
Dragons respawn every 5.00
Baron / elder / rift herald /blue & red buff's lasts 3.00
Your ultimate CD is probably less than 4.00
Flash is 5.00
Now you don't need to remember all these, to reach platinum 4 or emerald 4, but look how the game doesn't have a 10+ minutes gap between anything. It's because playing for the recent future is how you play. You can just aim to play around your ultimate CD and your flash CD that's already better than most silver players. Even if you're playing nasus or kayle or kassadin, don't try to play for 30 minutes. Still play for 3 - 6 minutes. You see when nemesis does his kayle mid, he isn't just afk till even his first item. Good kayle players actually play her actively before level 6 too.
So when you're 2 minutes into a game, don't play for 30 minutes, or even 14 minutes (yet) as that's still too far out. Playing for enemy buff respawn timers or at most rift herald is better. Maybe faker can play for 14 minutes, but you don't need to be faker to get out of gold.
Hey, i know i might be wrong here as an adc main, since its mainly a mid channel, but i need to ask, is it normal that im still bronze after like half an year of playing, i didnt play ranks since like 3 months ago and i dont see myself winning, but i know its my decision making, any tips on how to improve that?
In Low elo you also get Spampinged for things that are not mistakes, if I Split Top when we are 20 kills behind and cant contest the second Dragon they spam ping you for losing the Teamfight even if you got 2 Towers and there was no point in contesting the Dragon anyways.
Sometimes roaming as a support when you have a really shitty (overagressive) ADC helps much. Suddenly they realize they are on their own and start playing decent, a bit mor defensive and actually survive on their own... when they do not... well, if they are 0/5 they are not worth much gold anymore anyway and my help is better taken to other lanes where i can get a net+. I personally do not stick with adcs that do not have a good chance of rehabiliting themselves. When i play support i play for my team, not only the adc.But leaving an ADC that is even or even ahead, is, in my opinion, always a bad thing.
"Making the game harder than it is"
Im using this line next time I see a player being toxic to another, Hopefully they understand that more...
In a way I actually find gold much easier to climb than bronze. In gold if you make the right calls, your team mates might actually listen. In bronze you just have to try to snowball and hope the enemy team doesn't have a Smurf
The problem in low elo is everyone thinks they are high elo but their teammates keep them down. So they are looking for the excuses to forgive themselves for the future lose.
I was silver/bronze for 10 years I'm on the cusp of emerald and hopefully further ..🎉
I've been playing this game since season 1. I know a huge amount of information and theory behind the game. I know about trading, I know about wave states, I know what every champion in the game does. But what I don't know, what's keeping me stuck in bronze/silver, is how to use my knowledge to gain an advantage. And I think that my knowledge actually winds up being a negative a lot of the time, because I'll see my teammates making these bad mistakes that I've made myself dozens of times when I was younger, and I'll think that that was so obvious, and then I'll self sabotage because I'll think that they're trying to sabotage me intentionally. I used to be insanely good at not getting tilted ever, no matter what happens, and now I kinda suck at it.
Seems like you know a bit about laning phase so id assume mid game is an unknown entity for you. This all depends on the role you're playing and your teammates movements around the map but in silver I don't think they go catch waves or rotate with a purpose around the map. If you keep track of your teammates and opponents positions throughout the midgame section of the game you can do a lot more than just sit there waiting around for a fight to happen. You can take towers, jungle camps, bouncing waves. All that contributes to your gold income and once you hit a big powerspike in your items or level you can try to challenge 1v2 or even 1v3 in a side-lane or just bait the opponents to your side of the map while you yourself would go group with your team and start a fight or get an objective elsewhere with a numbers advantage. Hope that cleared up some mid game questions for you. If you do that consistently you will start to see and understand the flow of the game more.
ALSO follow u around in low elo gold? that for 80% or the time isnt happening esp if they play pyke
Love the Solo Queue Contract idea.
Can you kindly do a Katarina guide, sir?
this dude's attitude is fantastic. I love it.
This was FANTASTIC content!!
I got Plat 1 recently, but I stopped playing the game, I just can't handle Emerald to Master, it seems pointless to me, doesn't matter how much I play I keep feeling that I'm playing in Silver Elo, I just wish people actually knew what they are doing in the game
I got out of bronze by just playing OP champs and harcarrying. Noobstompers like nocturne or bel’veth did the trick + the fact that they’re part of the most impactful role. I did this because you really can’t count on your teammates even being decent
WINNER MENTALITY.
I think you are mostly wrong about why ppl spam ping in low elo. I think it's a combination of a couple things. One, them being frustrated with not climbing. This is true of all elo's but most ppl view themselves as better than very low elo. At least at the higher elo's more players accept that they are placed at their current skill level. The very low elo players cannot accept that they are that bad. So who's fault is it then? Only leaves the teammates left to blame.
The second major factor why they blame teammates is the dunning-kruger effect. They know a little about the game and all of a sudden they think they know everything. They develop inflated egos. Ppl at higher elo's have done the work to learn how to be better so on average their egos are more in check (I know there are plenty of egomaniacs at higher elo's. I am just saying on average).
The third major factor is that being stuck in very low elo is miserable. It feels very pathetic. Misery loves company. So the players that feel miserable lash out.
The only way to climb is to dominate your inner demons
Nvm,the dude is sus. He is most likely smudging,cause he climbing as ADC on the back of Kai,sa. If you are low elo don’t play bot,it’s gonna be way harder
No, Its only applicable for high elo not for low elo. If I am a gold player, I can always climb from bronze 4 top silver 4 no matter what in less than a week. when my brand support is pissed off he will contest my cs bot and ruin my farm and xp i would have been better off alone. problem with playing only 2 champs is you cannot play any other champs. As soon as you start trying other champs you will lose 80% of games till you get to one division lower
This guy with this mentality will be plat in no time.Just amazing
Maybe it'd be cool to have this guy on the podcast!
Only played Zeri adc or mid and won 8 out of 12 games, b3 atm... how soon challenger?!
not to downtalk that guy or anything, but hes gold4 now. idk if he knows this but thats equivalent to low silver last split. He hasnt improved at all.
Self sabotage are the plays where you say. Fuck it, I'll probably die, but its lost anyway so I'm gonna do it.
i am a plat evelynn main, but i have an account that legit i cant take out from silver, every game i have teammates that spam ping and run it down because i dont spam gank pre-6.
the worst ones are those laners that at a point they just insult you and then proceed on taking all your camps preventing your scaling.
the upsetting thing is that i know that im better than those players (since my other account is 2 divisions higher), but i see silver as a 50/50 where you coinflip the teammates every single game.
an advice i can give is that if you are still silver in 100 games, make a new account because the mmr will keep matching you with those guys
maybe you got mmr boosted on your first climb or play worse or different on your other account. challenger player wins 99% of silver games, its not as coinflip as it seems if you are good enough.
@@darkfyywell i think i wrote down at least 2 times that im plat and not challenger. also yours is quite an over statement, when chally players play low elo they actually play lv30 accounts which you would call them "mmr boosted" using your own words.
a new lv30 account has never a elo lower than gold 4/silver 1, so you will never meet up with the bronzies etc. and the issue is not about people being bad, is just about people intentionally griefing the games by intentionally feeding or going in jungle or other lanes stealing farm and xp.
but definitely i cant compare myself with chally players cuz they are obv way better than what i can hope for in my life.
tyler1 also noticed that huge issues during his challenges, he legit had a lower winrate in silver than plat/dia, so i think this must mean something.
i can say maybe im still not good enough to climb out of plat and it is my own fault, but i think its not my fault losing all these games in silver
@@Hclody95 thats just cope man, if you are actually a plat player you should easily get out of silver.
@@Hclody95You've developed skills that have allowed you to climb in gold and platinum, but you haven't properly developed jungle fundamentals enough yet. I was in the same spot as you before, and I struggled carrying despite of what elo I was playing in. As I climbed through Plat and Diamond, I acquired better jg fundamentals understanding which allowed me to truly understand how to obtain and push a lead. My honest recommendation is to focus on just improving on your fundamentals, which I mostly learned from Nathan Mott, Virkayu and Tarzaned.
@@Okami400Spoken like someone who hasn't reached a rank higher than plat. The skill gap between plat and silver is not enough for a plat player to consistently carry games, it's just enough for the plat player to climb after many sets of games.
Love this video ❤
I dont really know wahts going on personal under Gold but i spectated some games from friends "bronze,silver games"and i still dont know if they do sth Intentionaly or not.
Some plays are so bad and the mapwerness is so off , i will never understand this and they Chat Very often...The best thing is m that they Like Aram i think.
After 10 min or sth , they just go mid and play Aram... its very funny ... for me es a Dia player there is no chance doing this ... u lose XP and GOLD, some players in those games , cuz they play Aram and some players are 4 Level ahead ,they cant even do Baron cuz they are so LOW level :D
Micromanage thx sherlock. Once you hit 30+ than talk to me about patience!
Good content, nice perspective from a guy whos just talking about reaching gold and being exited about it. I'm a bit sick of tired of reddit constantly talking down to peoples ranks, to the point what even if you're diamond you're low elo.
That video was a breath of fresh air, seems like a nice guy with great attitude, i bet he's winning in life as well, mad props to him!
As someone who is 100% untiltable, it always makes me curious how people interact with the game and the level of power this game has over their mental health. Maybe it comes from me refusing to waste energy on any negativity because I’m lazy, but I dunno man. You can’t win em all, you can only do your best.
great vid coach
That vid was in my recommended 2 days ago
(2nd repost since I commented on an older video) Hey coach Curtis, I have a question about analyzing vods and replays. Is there a specific format in which they should be studied? Or do I just watch them, be observant, and take notes? I often become overwhelmed by the amount of theory and interpretation when reviewing gameplays so I don't know if I'm going down the right study path. Your advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you!
i'm at emerald 2 atm the the things the grosses me out the most are the amount of smurfs in my elo. i always check the enemy team with porofessor and their are 6 out of 10 games smurfs in one of the team or som1 duoing with a smurf and that already soft tilts me from the start
Having done a recent climb through bronze to silver and then silver to gold in the jungle role mostly and the other games not in the jungle being played in the mid lane, one thing I definitely noticed especially in the very low bronze brackets is how insecure people were to perceived mistakes, especially if you were the jungler. I have never had so many people troll in my games as I did in bronze with the worst situation I think I had 3 games in a row with a troll in them, and unfortunately we lost all 3 though some actually ended up being pretty close to winnable.
So I can absolutely echo this sentiment. Maybe it's got to do with being overwhelmed, but a lot of the time at least from a jungle perspective, I felt it was also coming from a point of insecurity/lack of confidence in their own level of play. I get that, you can feel insecure no matter what rank you're at, but the insecurity led to this complete distrust in your team mates and also yourself, because I think if you are really secure in yourself and your play, the likelihood to tilt to the point you begin to troll is not as likely. A lot of the time I genuinely felt that what was holding a lot of players back in in low bronze was less about actual skill, but mostly just this insecurity taking up so much space in the front seat that they ended up losing a lot of very winnable games, had they just chilled and let the game play itself out without the troll.
could I suggest to leave this guy's youtube on the description or a pin comment?
There's a link to the original video in the description
@@mickjaegar2379 pretty sure it wasn't there when I posted my comment since I double triple check if there was one before posing my comment but maybe I didn't noticed it either way idc glad is there at the end of the day, smile.
just lost a game with 0 deaths 0 kills and 0 assists... top was 2/9, mid 2/7 and jg 0/5... this is Emerald division... its worse than gold
I heavily disagree that talking with friends is self sabotage.
If you're trying to play razor's edge and trying to find zone, then yes it's bad.
But if you're playing for improvement, then you need happiness, not to search for zone.
Low elo is cancer, there are roles you just can't play, your support going 0/5 in 4 minutes, the enemy yi with 2 items at 14 minutes, people DON'T USE THIER SPELLS, there are situations that should never happens, i got permabanned in diamond and can't climb on my second accounts, it's insanely tilting, sometimes i think riot should be put on trial for torture or something.
That's how tilting it really is.