I just found your channel, and I wanted to say not only how incredibly helpful it is to me as an average tennis player, but how much I appreciate the fact that a legendary coach like yourself would take the time to put together these kinds of videos, post them for free on RUclips, allow anyone who wants to benefit from professional-level instruction, is really quite amazing and wonderful. You have my deepest respect and thanks.
@@samster978 my point is, it feels wrong to thank someone for posting an advert. An advert is 'free' content. Sure, congratulate the good quality of the content, but maybe not the free-ness.
I've been paying attention to how Federer turns his torso when he serves for years, and the only other player that turns as much is Sampras. The dominant eye insight is fascinating. That aside, it does seem that by turning the torso like that, Sampras and Federer are using the body mechanics more efficiently, albeit that extra rotation does make timing and coordination that much more difficult. Thank you for the video.
Thanks Patrick. You`re the first person who explains why those players turn their back basically parallel to the base line. Now it makes sense why they do that.
Most technically sound player? Maybe. Most talented? Perhaps. But quantitative results are what objectively define a player, and while Federer is my favorite player the GOAT title goes to Djokovic for most Grand Slams won. Imagine Michael Phelps winning less golds than someone else - you wouldn't say Phelps is the GOAT, even if his technique is "better" (more aesthetic). Why is it different here?
So I'm a left handed player and right eye dominant, should I therefore seek to assume the more sideways position on serve? Other videos suggest the body should be more forward facing into the court.
Because you are lefty with right eye dominant, you can use either platform stance like Fed or pinpoint stance like Roddick. You have an advantage to choose. Pinpoint stance is great for flat serve and is easier to learn. Platform stance is great for slice and kick serve but is harder to learn. Choose whatever is comfortable for you. Most people use pinpoint because it is more natural to drive through your shot.
What’s a good way to find which is my dominant eye? I haven’t tried each eye on my opponent across the court yet, but I did try one eye at a time on a far enough street sign. I can see with both eyes pretty clearly & probably have 20/20 vision. I serve with a regular pointed stance form like most players.
Hold your hands in front of you and make a triangle using your thumb and pointer finger on each hand. Center it over a distant object. Close one eye, if it doesn't move, the eye that's open is your dominant eye. If it does move, then open the closed eye and close to opened eye. It will likely not move. Some people- like myself- have the object move when I close either eye 😅
Could you maybe analyze an older player such as Lindsay Davenport for her forehand? Or Ivanovic or Graf. They all have exceptional timing and it's effortless.
Does Fed's racquet face being parallel to the court on his upswing add to his technique? Most players seem to bring the racquet up on the edge of the racquet.
I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that this is not a standard first serve federer is hitting but a kick serve with more spin and less power. This is a great video for some of the things patrick mentioned like his foot position and eye coordination but do not try and copy all of federer's movements particularly anything to do with his racquet motion and where his ball toss is because flat serves have different arm angles and ball toss placement.
Eye dominance simply refers to which eye your brain uses when forced to in the case of obstruction. If you don’t have impairment in either eye, you will have roughly equal peripheral vision. You can choose which eye to look from-dominance again is just what happens subconsciously. You can try this by looking at things in your peripheral vision on either side without turning your head. If you can’t see well on one side it is due to visual impairment, not dominance.
Anyone notice his front foot moves forward. I have lower back issues and sciatica. I took along time away from serving. I started this front foot step motion and really pulled the right shoulder back and man it’s a ton of rotation on the ball and alleviates the load on my back.
the eye dominance helps him decide where to go if the returner cheats, and helps him watch the court till the last minute with his peripheral. but you are being misleading. anyone can copy the motion and stance even if they aren't cross eye dominant, it just means they have to decide where to serve ahead of time and not be almost psychic like Roger is on the serve 😉
Great video and analysis…but hilarious how the video they are using Fed’s foot is clearly on the white line foot faulting! Guess he is warming up when filmed! Haha
Patrick isn't this a kick serve Fed is performing though? You should clear this up for some people who don't know this and are assuming all of fed's serve motions here are what you need to do for a flat serve.
be careful when comparing server positions ad side and deuce side in relation to the court. should be in relation to the target instead. Additionally adding a simple technique to find the dominant eye would have been great. cheers
Serving like Federer will result in multiple knee operations. There is a solution called the Step-back Platform Stance. Part of what I do in the Physics of Sports.
This is just BS. Why would federer be looking at the court when hitting the ball. It is impossible to look at two things at one time. All the great servers were taught to turn the body away from the net when serving. The body rotation allows more range of motion, more space for racket to gain acceleration, and more topspin. Look at Becker, edberg they didn't have a platform stance but they turned their body. Because it produces more power. Why try to complicate the tennis serve. I am sure when players like federer were learning to serve they didn't know such BS. Federer when he was young looked at servers such as sampras and liked it then slowly tried to imitate sampras. He just hit thousands of balls till he got it right. There was no magic or BS such as the dominant eye. It is just hard practice and dedication.
I don't need a dominant eye to serve like Federer. I can serve like Federer when I have my eyes closed! And then I wake up...
😂
I hope I can serve like Federer one day…. I’m left eye dominant and have platform stance.
this is hilarious
The most beautiful serve I have ever seen
I just found your channel, and I wanted to say not only how incredibly helpful it is to me as an average tennis player, but how much I appreciate the fact that a legendary coach like yourself would take the time to put together these kinds of videos, post them for free on RUclips, allow anyone who wants to benefit from professional-level instruction, is really quite amazing and wonderful. You have my deepest respect and thanks.
I couldn't agree more, esp about the professional-level instruction, of the highest quality yet so simple, easy to follow and apply. Thank you coach!
Lol. He's publicizing his academy
@@idcharles3739 good catch
@@idcharles3739 so? its still free content?
@@samster978 my point is, it feels wrong to thank someone for posting an advert. An advert is 'free' content. Sure, congratulate the good quality of the content, but maybe not the free-ness.
Hey Patrick, I would love to see a video about most important fitness / warmup routines for tennis players :))
Me too गुरूजी
I've been paying attention to how Federer turns his torso when he serves for years, and the only other player that turns as much is Sampras. The dominant eye insight is fascinating. That aside, it does seem that by turning the torso like that, Sampras and Federer are using the body mechanics more efficiently, albeit that extra rotation does make timing and coordination that much more difficult. Thank you for the video.
Thanks Patrick. You`re the first person who explains why those players turn their back basically parallel to the base line. Now it makes sense why they do that.
that's why he is the best overall tennis player and possibly the goat regardless of the number of grand slams won...
Please explain 🤓
@@scapegoat413 what can i explain bro? new to tennis or what?
Most technically sound player? Maybe. Most talented? Perhaps. But quantitative results are what objectively define a player, and while Federer is my favorite player the GOAT title goes to Djokovic for most Grand Slams won.
Imagine Michael Phelps winning less golds than someone else - you wouldn't say Phelps is the GOAT, even if his technique is "better" (more aesthetic). Why is it different here?
@@jimbomacgee3499how many slams would Djokovic won vs Federer if he was the older player say 37 against the 31 years old Federer?
Great analysis, thank you
Brilliant ..analysis. wish i can do that.
Parfait, Patrick. A great reminder. Merci boucoup et beau travais.
Gracias
So I'm a left handed player and right eye dominant, should I therefore seek to assume the more sideways position on serve? Other videos suggest the body should be more forward facing into the court.
Because you are lefty with right eye dominant, you can use either platform stance like Fed or pinpoint stance like Roddick. You have an advantage to choose. Pinpoint stance is great for flat serve and is easier to learn. Platform stance is great for slice and kick serve but is harder to learn. Choose whatever is comfortable for you. Most people use pinpoint because it is more natural to drive through your shot.
Love your lesson, your advice and tips are super helpful
What about his unique capability shared whit Sampras of hitting different serves whit the same ball toss?, How would you reproduce that?
You need a coach/person to tell you what direction to serve in just after you made the ball toss.
Hi Patrick, how do I know my dominant eye? And how to leverage it? Thanks!
What’s a good way to find which is my dominant eye? I haven’t tried each eye on my opponent across the court yet, but I did try one eye at a time on a far enough street sign. I can see with both eyes pretty clearly & probably have 20/20 vision. I serve with a regular pointed stance form like most players.
Hold your hands in front of you and make a triangle using your thumb and pointer finger on each hand. Center it over a distant object. Close one eye, if it doesn't move, the eye that's open is your dominant eye. If it does move, then open the closed eye and close to opened eye. It will likely not move. Some people- like myself- have the object move when I close either eye 😅
Great video.
Great analysis..
Could you maybe analyze an older player such as Lindsay Davenport for her forehand? Or Ivanovic or Graf. They all have exceptional timing and it's effortless.
Not Graf .
Very individual shot ...
Was late on her F hand.
I would not try to copy that.
Def copy her speed round the court 😉❤
Am I completely confused or makes Federer a horrible footfault at 0:26?
Nah you’re right
Does Fed's racquet face being parallel to the court on his upswing add to his technique? Most players seem to bring the racquet up on the edge of the racquet.
I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that this is not a standard first serve federer is hitting but a kick serve with more spin and less power. This is a great video for some of the things patrick mentioned like his foot position and eye coordination but do not try and copy all of federer's movements particularly anything to do with his racquet motion and where his ball toss is because flat serves have different arm angles and ball toss placement.
Eye dominance simply refers to which eye your brain uses when forced to in the case of obstruction. If you don’t have impairment in either eye, you will have roughly equal peripheral vision. You can choose which eye to look from-dominance again is just what happens subconsciously.
You can try this by looking at things in your peripheral vision on either side without turning your head. If you can’t see well on one side it is due to visual impairment, not dominance.
Anyone notice his front foot moves forward. I have lower back issues and sciatica. I took along time away from serving. I started this front foot step motion and really pulled the right shoulder back and man it’s a ton of rotation on the ball and alleviates the load on my back.
yes
the eye dominance helps him decide where to go if the returner cheats, and helps him watch the court till the last minute with his peripheral. but you are being misleading. anyone can copy the motion and stance even if they aren't cross eye dominant, it just means they have to decide where to serve ahead of time and not be almost psychic like Roger is on the serve 😉
Don't think I can ever turn my shoulder like him. I will LOSE sight of the court LOL
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I used to have a pin point serve... Then I saw Fed's serve and I had to learn platform 💯
me too. The platform serve is more consistent
What if your dominant eye is opposite to Fed!What do I do.
Who is the №1 at 2nd serves won???
Sampras...
Great video and analysis…but hilarious how the video they are using Fed’s foot is clearly on the white line foot faulting! Guess he is warming up when filmed! Haha
Patrick isn't this a kick serve Fed is performing though? You should clear this up for some people who don't know this and are assuming all of fed's serve motions here are what you need to do for a flat serve.
be careful when comparing server positions ad side and deuce side in relation to the court. should be in relation to the target instead. Additionally adding a simple technique to find the dominant eye would have been great. cheers
There are videos where the serve or forehand action is slowed down 5x Or more and you STILL can't tell which way Roger's going to go.
I'm left handed but I'm right eye dominant.
But why do you want to see the court when you serve? Changing last second on the serve is a sure way to screw up
That's EXACTLY what Roger does. 😂
0:25 foot fault?? 😂
he always mess around during warm up. Federer never ever foot fault in matches.
eyes: easy
brain: yea bro it might take a few practices but easy
body: bro why you moving me this way, can you just not
You keep talking about dominate eye, but, never explain how the dominate eye affects serve. Serving with one eye close?
Lol. Even nonsense sounds genius when it has such a cool accent and confidence
You forgot the toss it has to be consistent
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Serving like Federer will result in multiple knee operations. There is a solution called the Step-back Platform Stance. Part of what I do in the Physics of Sports.
It’s a great analysis but just ask your ophthalmologist and he or she will tell you that’s not how being left (or even right ) eye dominant works!!
You can check it by your own
I also think the explanation about dominant eye sounds way too simplistic
I am now upset to know that I am right-eye dominant, despite having 0.001% tennis capabilities of Roger🤣
Ok so I can go that way I know Im left eye dominant hahahahah not but works for me , my BEST shot is the serve hahaha...
first
The eye dominace thing is pure bullshit
This is just BS. Why would federer be looking at the court when hitting the ball. It is impossible to look at two things at one time. All the great servers were taught to turn the body away from the net when serving. The body rotation allows more range of motion, more space for racket to gain acceleration, and more topspin. Look at Becker, edberg they didn't have a platform stance but they turned their body. Because it produces more power. Why try to complicate the tennis serve. I am sure when players like federer were learning to serve they didn't know such BS.
Federer when he was young looked at servers such as sampras and liked it then slowly tried to imitate sampras. He just hit thousands of balls till he got it right. There was no magic or BS such as the dominant eye. It is just hard practice and dedication.
This guys an idiot
Talking about his head is facing the court jackass
Too quiet
"left eye dominant"? LOL That's a 1st.