Ilford Pan F 50 - Shooting Expired Film from 1988
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I stumbled across this roll of Ilford Pan F 50 in an antique shop that had expired in 1988.
I couldn't resist buying it and trying it out.
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Oh man, you absolutely KILLED it with the intro.
Lol. Thanks James Jason.
Typo...!
got a 400 foot box of 35mm eastman-kodak 5294 400T sitting in the fridge, marked with the 1988 Calgary Winter Olympic Games... 😎📷
Great job. I’m very much surprised with this result. Your Channel is priceless to the film community👍🏾🤙🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thanks Soul
Just like you've discovered it, no additional exposure is needed for expired film. That said, this expired film is extremely clean. The first thing that happens is the acetate base of the film becomes gray, but your one looks perfect. It helps also low ISO of the film.
I love the 80's intro at the beginning
Thanks Borut!
I have used too a 18 year old Pan-f50 expired film in my channel and the results were amazing! Very little sensitivity loss and excellent contrast. Only little pink negative. Great film!
Head this weekend a 1991 expired FP4 (120) and T-MAX 100 (1991 expried). The negatives had been perfect, no differences to new material. I did not store the old film in refrigerator, mostly on attic with a lot of temperature differences!
This is a good one! Experimenting is what makes film photography fun!
It does. So many variables.
Thumbs up for Ilford too.
I love your channel please don’t lose your great humor.
Three old ice cream cartons full of various expired B&W fim in sizes of 110, 35mm,126,127 &120 sit in my fridge waiting to be exposed...you have just given me the incentive to get out there and use it ..Thanks, subscribed 😊
Lol. The VCR. So many hidden gems in this video.
How did I miss this one? Just found it, unwatched. Damnit!
EFFING KIILED THE INTRO DUDE!!!
I love that the packaging hasn't changed at all in 30 years and it still looks....modern?
fantastic result. Being a predominantly red window shooter I prefer the old backing paper with the easy to read numbers, Lomography still uses nice contrasty backing paper.
I have trouble seeing the backing numbers on my Nettar.
Got my tea and cake...let's get some Pan F images going! :D That film is as old as me!
I'd just left school! 😂
You are right about the storage of the film. I had one roll that was not stored in fridge or freezer and it came out rustic. It did add a nice feel to the pics but only certain ones.
Recently I found MY OWN Pan F, forgotten in the attic, where he spent at least 25 years. Nice to know that i don't need to add 3 stops of light necessarily. Thank you ☺️
Well I may have been lucky and it was stored well. Yours being in the attic may act differently?
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Don't know, have not shotted it yet, that's only one roll, but from my previous experiences, here in SE Europe where summers are blazing hot and winters moist and cold, everything you leave at the attic deteriorates quite fast, emulsions especially. The only honourable exception in my case is my Minolta srT303b which survived in that same attic for 15 years and still works, with correct exposures and without any CLA...
Hi Rodger! Thank you for you videos! After i see you channel i buy enlarger and make small big step in film photography. Greetings from Siberia! You a the best, man!
Excellent! Have fun with it all 😊
Awesome job I really appreciate this. ilford has been making film so long maybe they have perfected the emulsion preservation properties
A very good brand. Solid.
Had a lot of fun watching your video! Unbelievable that an old film showed such great results!
Yes, I was surprised. Thanks
It's actually really helpful to know how older film like this behaves so well. I've recently come into a rather large stash of latd-90s TriX recently and was hesitant to use it due to potential lofi from the degradation, but this gives be new motivation for that.
Well this was a bracketed test. So pressure wasn't on. If I find another expired pan F I'll follow this experience. But would have to test other films.
Nice work! I’ve been shooting Fujicolor 100 iso for over 10 years. I bought a huge lot back when the film expired in 2010. The film has held up well and Only recently a year ago I’ve started storing the film in the refrigerator. I have not noticed any difference in the film in all these years and have been shooting it at normal box speed. I will continue shoot it at normal box speed since the colors, grain structure and overall film performance have not changed. Not very many videos are out there about this particular film stock so It’s hard to know how well it holds up for others. Thanks again for all the great Contant keep up the good work.
Finally someone on this island that likes the same sort of things as me! Big up from Cowes........
Lol. Thought I was on my own.
"George, shut it...Good boy." 'Ruff', rofl, always enjoy the humor, watching 2 years on, but still good stuff. Kept expecting to hear, 'Sweet dreams are made of this, who am I...'
Annie
I love your videos. The 80’ sound better than I recall.
Thanks for watching.
Love this! I have a roll of Ilford XP2 Super 400 in my Nikon N80, can’t wait to get it developed!!
Loved it! Great fun with some old film.
That's all its about. Having fun and enjoying shooting film. Thanks Patrick
What.An.Intro. Too good!! I can't believe something older than me gave such great results...
That music tho... just gotta love the 80s
Great video. The humor alone was worth the watch but your process is of course the main course and that was a pleasure to watch. Keep shooting and sharing.
Cheers! Thanks for watching
Nice intro.... my childhood..... feels like home :)
Very Classic.
I'm shooting a few rolls of Agfa 25 b/w that expired in January 1992 with a 6x8 pinhole and Mamiya C330. I'm actually metering by ISO. Pull it to ISO 6, then ISO 12, the ISO 25. About to start souping my film in my kitchen and will do a stand development in Rodinal 1+100. Stoked!
Wow, this is great! You saved me, hopefully, from overexposing Ilford Pan F 50 that expired in 1997 and was apparently stored in a fridge ever since by the previous owner. I'm so excited now to try it. Greatings from Munich, Germany.
You never know with expired film. It's a shoot and hope. Good luck with it
Love the video and the images produced. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Tony.
Great vid...lot of work went into that...thanks
Thanks Jamie, it did.
Thank you for your videos! You inspired me a lot
Greetings from Poland
Love the intro, and the whole video!
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Thanks for all your feedback and input guy's. Really appreciate it!
Man that was an epic unbox man. Nice. 😬👍
Your tests corroborate with mine. *1 stop for every decade is a myth and should not be used.* I've tested Provia, Ektachrome E100G, Portra 160, Portra 400 and Delta 100 all expired 10-20 years ago. If you want to be on the safe side, bracket with +1 stop maximum as film is forgiving in that regard, but use correct exposure for slides, as they are really not forgiving.
i agree, i''d shoot some 1994 expired 4x5 verichrome III last week, exposed at box speed (160) and they came very nice....
Wow. I am impressed at Ilford Quality. 30 years. Wow. I was 23 in 1988 ! I loved the Walkman and the cellular “bag phone”. Lol. Memories. You were a VIP if you had a mobile phone back then. Great walk down memory lane. Thank you. Wonderful prints you made. I like old film and old cameras. It’s like having a timeless conversation dialogue with the past. Wouldn’t it be interesting to time travel back and have a conversation with yourself. Could be FUN. Could be a disaster. Lol. I sure know I’d buy a shit ton of Ilford Film 🎞
Leave the past as it was. Don't mess with time travel. I've seen back to the future and that got messy lol
Shoot Film Like a Boss 😂
Nice video, glad to hear that there is no difference in new and old film as I have 5 X 17m. of bulk Ilford Pan F 50 ( 2004 ) in the fridge. I read some time ago that slow film ages much better than fast film.
I think you're right there.
Excellent video! I'm glad it worked out for you, or else you'd have ended up having a Blue Monday...
Fantastic video thank you 🙏
Cheers Tom
Hi Roger, I have only found your channel this weekend. So far I've watched about 10 videos, I really like the way you put over the content. I would love to have a darkroom again, the last time was in the mid 80's, I have been shooting film again for a while now but only processing and scanning the negatives to get the final results. No doubt I will be watching more of your videos over the next few weeks.
Thanks Dave. Stay in touch.
Got a bulkroll of 17m PanF which was stored "in a cubboard" without taking care of it. 30 years expired - used it as a test film to get back into it.
Rodinal "1+100" + sodium ascorbate (1g/5ml rodinal) - 13 1/2 minutes - exposed at box-speed in a Canon AV 1. Negs turned out great but a bit overdeveloped for my linking.
Brilliant m8 :-D Took me right back!! :-) Really didn't surprise me there was so little difference between both :-)
peace and prosperity
Great video! Would love to see more expired film experiments!
This video is so funny!! It is amazing you can make a comparison video of two rolls of film to something fun to watch. Well done. And also lot of good information.
I'd get bored if I didn't have a bit of fun now and again. Thanks
nice motor drive your scored there rodger for your 645
It's not my camera Beau. It's on loan 😊
bugger nice piece
Complimenti per i tuoi video.
Great video!
Looks like you had too much fun! You really improved your already stellar production quality. Thanks
Thanks
Thank you for doing such a careful, scientific test. I use a lot of old (about 20 yrs) E-6 slide film and always just ran it at box speed as normal with good results. On occasion the colour can be a bit dodgy but exposure seems just fine. Sometimes seen what I think is a bit more base fog on higher speed b&w films stored in the heat but never did a proper A-B like this.
Hey Roger! Great experiments as always. Here are my 2 cents on expired films: when people say that you have to increase 1 stop for every decade...it's not based on any hypothesis, indeed you proved the opposite with your experiment. Apparently this film has been stored in a good environment and it didn't suffer of the aging. Probably another panf expired in 1988 but stored badly would have given you a foggy film. The only thing to do when you have expired material is testing it out if you have enough film to test. Great as always!!! Keep doing
Gianni
Thanks for the input Gianni! I reckon too I got a lucky one. 😉
I use Kodak Tr-X 400 (expired in 1978) and ILFORD FP4 (expired 97) both 120 roll film and are flawless but the 10 rolls of 120 Fomapan 200 I bought fresh in 2017 have big issues with the the backing paper markings appearing on the developed negatives.......Still I love the madness of it all.:):):) Top channel by the way.:)
That's crazy with the foma! I wonder why?
My birth year! :D
I love this, good job! I shot a roll of Ilford HP3 about four years ago that expired in 1967 adjusting the exposure times just like you did here. At just shy of being 50 years old I fully expected zero results, but surprisingly the film stood up so well that I could have shot the whole thing at box speed. Crazy! Also had some fun at the same time playing about with Kodachrome as B&W, that was fun too :)
I've shot a couple of rolls of Verachrome from 1968, looked OK then tried a roll from 1955 and it was too curly and brittle.
Interesting experience!
I never used the rule of thumb, but I think that the store condition is the key for that. I have shot bw from 2000 and from 1995with good results both 100 iso films . I have however used that rule with slide film and did ok. I have some Fuji cdu duplication film shot and develop at 25iso with c41 with very good results
Thanks for the input Filipe.
You crack me up man :)
That was some time ago lol
I shoot expired b w film at box. Color expired 1 stop over for up to 5 years, 2x for longer
Which film? I've yet to shoot any other expired films.
Pause, need some tea with lemon and honey...Thx Roger!
Cold?
I am from 1988, good year..
I bought a 5 pack of ektachrome in 120 and shot one as a test roll. It also ended up being best at proper exposure despite being twenty years old. Although I did go through a 100' roll of tmax400 not quite 10 years old which did work much better being shot at 200. I've heard of 3200 being basically useless shortly after expiration. With your video and comments and my experience I'm leaning now to lower ISO films are resistant; be slide, bw, or color neg. I think it's as simple as a lower iso can withstand a higher temperature before fogging, then over time the chances of hitting that critical temperature are much lower. For the types of film (bw, color neg, slide) I think you might as well just skip that; but for the next level of accuracy you'd have to find each film type (and given the scope of the options, each iteration of each film type) to find its 'latent fog temp.' Thanks for sharing! Oh and like, totally 80s dude.
Het ROGER - I found a roll of 09/1992 dated 'Original Emulsion' PAN-F in the HUGE Film Stash I got off my Deceased Great Friend and used it with my Home Made 510-Pyro on OUTDOOR subjects rated 25 ASA as 'Guess' and 7 1/2 Mins @ 20oC as 'guess' -- NEGS WERE DENSE ! Could have used 32 ASA and 61/12 mins . I NOW have some Sept 1985 Pan-F found in my Film Fridge to try ! PS -- MY 1985 PAN-F packaging looks same as YOUR 1988 with same 'Spool' style. PPS -- Massive Dev Chart for 'Modern PAN-F +' gives 8 1/2 mins in ID11 which is SUPPOSED to be same as D76 but YOU got 6 1/2 Mins for D76 !!!!!
Sweet dreams are made of Ilford?
Ha ha!
Interestingly enough, the 80s Svema I've shot fared much worse compared to other low ISO films. I'm not 100% surprised, considering late Soviet QC, but still amazed how much yours stood up to time. Stored well, probably. Not in some Ukrainian warehouse to be sold on eBay!
Needs more 80s.
That must have been really well stored! I’ve got some HP4, which expired in 1979, and it’s awful. I’ve also got some ORWO Pan NP15, which is slightly fogged and useable.
I don't know. It was sitting on a shelf in a antique shop. Orwo good film.
Hmmm, interesting. I might get some expired PanF if the price is right!
I also found Pan F, and to a slightly smaller degree, FP4, can stay good for years after the expiry date. I also have three bulk tins of Pan F, FP4, and HP5, I loaded a cassette of each and tested them, the HP5 suffered the most, FP4 quite a bit, but Pan F was almost unaffected. The first sign of deterioration is a raise in B+F level, but that can be "printed through", along with a slight improvement in shadow detail.
I got a roll of 6 year past date Ilford XP2 in my Argus C3
I've been given and or found some expired rolls over time. I've found the black and white films to all shoot within 1 stop over for me, usually I shoot them at box speed and get good results, color on the other hand has been a mixed bag, and mostly for the worst. I have a roll of verichrome that expired in 1950 sitting in my stash right now. I'm excited to see if it will produce an image. I think I'm going to unroll it under safelight since its ortho, then snip the first frame off and trim a few frames to tuck in a 35mm body and see where it exposes at, or if it does anything at all. If I get an image and a gestimate on exposure out of that all load up an old box camera and try and shoot the rest of the roll.
Hello Roger, nice experience👌and a plus for B&W. But I believe if was color negatives or slide film, the result would be a lot different. By the way don't press the button and say one at the same time.😅 I made the same mistake too😂, we need to count the 0 when we press the shutter. So we get the real 1 sec. Big hug and keep the great work. Cheers👍
Lol. I got my timer out for the white background. Thanks.
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss I remember when I start doing prints in the darkroom, and I didn't had the timer. And I did the same thing, in my case with the enlarger, pressing the enlarger button and count 1,2,3,4. And only realize that I only made 3sec. Always learning 😂😂👍
Be quiet George!!
That was fantastic! Has me wanting to shoot some Panatomic-X I was given. It dates back to 1978 as I recall. I believe it's been frozen for all of its life so makes me think I could perhaps try shooting it at box (and bracketing) and giving it a go.
I know a film shooter who loves that stuff and shoots it at box speed because apparently lower speed b&w film holds up really well past the expiration date.
Yes, shoot at box speed, I would do normal and 1 stop over exposure, don't bother underexposure
As far as I understand it there is no general rule for how to expose expired film. Slide film ages worse than C41 and C41 ages worse than B&W. storage temperature also makes a huge differece. So for a low ISO B&W film I am not too surprised it aged very well. Had it been something like 800 ISO color film stored at room temperature for 30 years it would likely not have worked too well at box speed developed normally (keep in mind if you ever try something like this that old color film also needs a formaldehyde stabilizer.)
This was really fun to watch!
Thank you, I wish you've scanned them so we can see in detail.
I don't have a scanner.
Süheyl Karakaya scanning doesn’t have the same resolution as film. Film is molecular. Scans are pixels. No comparison
love the intro, love the video
Great test. I wonder if the one-stop-per-decade applies more to dye-based colour films, rather than B&W.
don't know. it's a rule of thumb. id need another roll of expired film and split it in two
The "Rule" about 1 stop per 10 years is just too vague, and while that may work for 200-400 iso colour negative films, I think the opposite is true for fine grained low iso B&W films. There are numerous examples online of people shooting 30-40 year slow iso films at box speed with great results. Kodak's Verichrome Pan can even be shot at box speed even 50 year old expired film; however no other film lasts that long. Some films to look out for are Kodak Panatomic-X, Efke 25, Adox R14 or KB14, Agfa Isopan IF or IFF, Agfa APX 25, and Orwo NP-15.
0:42 seconds in and had to pause to comment. AWESOME intro!! Love it :) ok...
Lol, thanks.
PS the rest of the video was also awesome. I was very surprised too that the 80s film held up so well. Great experiment and nice prints too.
I'm chucking a roll in of expired who knows how old maybe 15yrs and see how it goes...Let you know...thanks...
I have some "Fujicolor Super HR 100 ASA" rolls in my fridge. They expired in 1991, does anyone have suggestions on how to shoot these?
I have heard that color-film loses light sensitivity faster then B&W film?
I don't Leo, sorry. I imagine the results would be interesting.
I actually still have an old bag phone, still works but no service...
I phoned Johnny on mine and he's still in 1989
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Could you ask him to pick me up a Brand new Mamiya M645 1000S...;-)
interesting. pan f 50, is for normal light conditions if remember, ie, normal light, that usually includes 100 iso. higher iso, s were for different lighting conditions. so, developing older higher ISO may be more challenging. think, the choice of film depended on what type of light at the point of shooting. with digital, ISO settings are in camera, alas film had to be different stock every time for specific conditions. why film is more fun to some photographers.
Do you do the same develop for both rolls ??' or you develop the old woith some compensation or treatement???? Thanks and best regards from ARGENTINA
Same development for both rolls. 🙂
Old music 🎶 old film 🎞 I was wondering you d have also had an old wine 🍷 while this process .. any plans on adox 20 ?? Regards
I do have some to use. Looking into that one 😊
Adox 20 is wonderful!
Also consider that they are not the same emulsion to start with. First of all it's impossible to keep the consistency for 30+ years especially when it's practically a different company and a different factory now. Also one is Pan F the other one is Pan F Plus. So many variables... you cannot really there if the difference is beacuse of the age or something else.
The markings on the back of new films make them almost impossible to align in 6x9 folders. The numbers are too faint to see through the dark red windows
Foma 120 from Freestyle has a nice white backing with bold numbers
Lol..you do have problems with the word! "Rese pros cit eee"
Love your videos! Regard..David
Getting better at it lol
What should i do if i haven´t developed the PanF50 for more then a year and a half? How should i develop it?
I'm not sure to be honest. I've never experienced that. I'm sure you'll find some experiences on some forums Ado
I wonder if old Kodak film will be as good...
Smell test but no taste test? :(
Lol
Kylie Minogue 😆😆😆
your 3 seconds is actually 4
😂
Shoot Film Like a Boss good video tho 👍
The new ones smell of autotune