According to the product page (I'm still waiting mind to be sent while ordered just in the morning on 17th !!!) the included bit kit is weird mix - only metric Hexes and two square Robertson (one of which looks unique). The latter I suppose widely used only in the US and Canada. As the bit set does not differ across the ocean, that looks like "here is the bit kit for free tha half of which you won't ever use" ;))) ARC: #1 Torx #10 & #15, #1 1 Torx #20 & #25 #1 Pozi #2 & #1 #2 Hex 1.5mm & 2mm #2 Hex 2.5mm & 3mm #2 Hex 4mm & 5mm #1 Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8" #1 Robertson #1 & 2 NONE Robertson #2 & 3 #1 + Square Drive #1 & #2 + Torx #10 & #15 + Torx #20 & #25 Torx #27 & #30 Eyeglass Screwdriver + Pozi #2 & #1 Phillips #1 & #2 Phillips #0 & #3 + Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8" Screwdriver 5/32" & 3/16" Screwdriver 7/32" & 1/4" #2 Torx #6 & #8 + Hex 1.5mm & 2mm + Hex 2.5mm & 3mm + Hex 4mm & 5mm Hex 6mm & 1/4" Hex 7/32" & 3/16" Hex 5/32 & 9/64" Hex 1/8" & 7/64" Hex 3/32" & 5/64" Hex 1/16" & .050"
I'm a little confused as to what you're saying. it's not as if someone could take apart there Leatherman tool with the the tool itself. People can easily get the bit they need to disassemble the Leatherman tool, Leatherman knows this. If that's why they left that bit out it's really stupid.
@@davidrushing2507that is not the bit you need to take it apart! It uses a t9 technically you can use a t8 but you will end up stripping I know that from experience I ended up using a t8 and eventually got stripped
Hey, thanks for mentioning my holsters. The Garage 005 holster does fit the ARC, but I still will be making a perfect fit version just for the ARC. Even though it isn't mine, even I am tempted by that bit holder. Too bad I don't have easy access to low-cost machining like they do overseas.
In the Leatherman Q&A on reddit, one of the designers said they didn't put a hole in the awl because they view the implement as a pry/scrape/poke tool and the hole would decrease the overall strength.
I think that if I was going to do a repair on leather or canvas I would wait until I could do a proper repair rather than a patch job since these types of materials are usually found on more expensive gear. Nylon, ripstop, or other fabric would not fair well with such a large puncture to do a in a field repair. Dave Canterbury recommends taping a heavy sewing needle to the back of your knife sheath for repairs which could easily be adapted for todays needs.
I can say I’ve never needed the hole in the awl to use for sewing, but I have broken my awl right at the hole using it as a reamer. In my opinion the hole just makes the tool weak and serves no purpose. So I agree with the designer.
I definitely like the mod you did here. I wish Leatherman would offer that mod on their other models. I’m not a guy who’d pay the $230 plus for the Ark just because of a better blade steel. My Leatherman blade is a backup for my pocket knife anyway and that’s where I invest in a quality blade steel. To be able to use three different styles of drivers with that modification is sweet.
The only reason I was ever Intrested in the ark is for one it looks nicer then the free series and two is the thumb stud on the cutting blade. I was definitely a little disappointing in the price of the ark at first but hey I’ve carried a free p4 for quite awhile now and I’m very impressed other the it’s alittle bit tricky the access the blade in less than perfect conditions
🤣especially as you have life time warranty. So if you really need it you can send it in when the "cheaper" steel gets damaged. With all one can criticize about Leatherman. Here they are really good at.
I just recently bought a new leatherman and I was torn from the surge or the arc. I decided to go with the surge just because I feel value for what you get is better then the arc. Plus being able to remove the file/saw and either get aftermarket bosh ones or just oem replacements is great, add the benefit of using the diamond file to sharpen the blade on the surge in a pinch is great as well.
Adding this bit driver does not void the entire warranty. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act explicitly states that no warrantor of a consumer product may condition the warranty on using any specific brand's parts. They would need to prove that your new part directly caused the failure to deny your claim. Warranties are one of the few areas where the USA actually has consumer protection.
Really appreciate your video! I have the skeletool and missing scissors and need better bits. After a summer of use, I'm now 100% attached to edc of a multi tool. This mod now sold me on the ARC. Thanks!
I kinda like the Leatherman bit kit system better. Just for its carry ability. I can carry the tool and the full bit kit in the sheath plus the bit extender in those stretchy pockets on the outside. Absolutely perfect for edc.
The Leatherman bits are almost useless. Why they choose to use those bits beats me. Putting that bit proprietary driver on the Arc is a step backward. The bits keep falling out. The Arc is a terrible tool selection. No serrated blade? Pass. Lousy scissors? Pass. Useless bit driver taking up space? Pass. Lousy/no package opener? Pass. The Arc has a magnacut blade. Wooooo. Yeah, no. It's a toy for people who don't do.
That is crappy of Leatherman to leave out one bit forcing you to buy a redundant bit kit to get all the bits. Leatherman doesn't even disclose this fact on their Arc web page.
It would be really nice if they had a "build your own tool" type of program so you can make a tool with the bit driver you installed, theres a handful of tools included on this that I have no use for and it would be nice to swap them out
i wish they could have the T shank from the surge i like having a few back up files laying around so i dont need to send in the tool for a new file everytime i wear it out
Thank you for this video, as well as the others you produce. I always look forward to seeing what you’re introducing next. As far as the Arc is concerned, Leatherman has priced itself out of my market. I bought a Wave+ earlier this year and added the bit kit & an bit extension. I was $150+ into a Leatherman EDC kit at that point. I won’t spend the extra for the Arc, especially since I bought the ByBury clone of the Surge, which is a really great tool. Unexpectedly, I bought the Gerber Dual Force (I think you informed us of the sale), and I use it more than any multitool I own. The chisel and pliers are fantastic. Thanks, again for your service.
If they made that bit holder slightly longer to allow more reach for regular 4mm bits. Then it would have been perfect. I love your channel, thank you for sharing all the mod videos. I really enjoyed watching them, and I learned a lot of new potentials to make my multitool better.
Love the idea of modifying it but I’m gonna keep mine how it is, the flat ones are more portable if I need anything more robust chances are I have my tools anyways
Not trying to change your mind, but nothing would prevent you front still carrying the Leatherman bits and using them with the Mod shown in the video. It just provides additional options if you want to use other bits. That said, voiding the warranty could be a bummer if you’re hard on your tool.
I actually like the flat bits because they take up less space. I usually carry a bit elder anyway so I can use 1/4” bits with that. I heard that the reason the bit kits were out of stock was because they needed to use another supplier and the new supplier increased the hardness of the bits. I’m not sure that true though it would be interesting to test that comment.
I don't see the "bit driver" at the ebay link provided for same--instead, it lists "Scalpel Blade Bit Holders Saw T-Shank for the Leatherman Free P2 P4 Series." If the original link is outdated, can you please supply an updated one? If you sell the bit driver through your affiliated links, I'll gladly buy one from there/you. Thanks--and great video!
Just got my Arc today. Replacing my Surge as my EDC since I really don't use it every day for hard work like the surge is really made for. Prefer the lighter weight and all tools on the outside. Love the channel! Thanks for all the great information!
I bought a Free P4 last year and that was pretty much the max I would spend on a multitool. This is just too expensive for me, and they do not even give you the full bit kit. Is the sheath leather? Maybe they should make a version with standard 420 steel. That would fine for my needs! I may scour Ebay later on for one!
I'm a mechatronics technician, and this Leatherman Arc multi-tool is literally what I need. I'm from Europe, and despite the high price of €300+, I definitely find it worth the effort.
Love your videos and how in depth you go with details and your thoughts! I bought the arc today for one because I’m a knife guy “to your point” and I’ve been using the Free P2 as my harder use EDC multitool and with the tool set on the Arc it looks like those will be solved for me! I plan on making a video on my perspective of why I bought it when it arrives!
I just got my charge plus tti about 2 months ago, I’ll keep my charge for edc and I was between the arc and surge for work, I’m still leaning definitely more towards the Surge now
I have the Surge. It is VERY, VERY heavy tool. The Surge with bits and with ratchet driver weights 580 grams. Surge alone weight 380 grams. I purchased it for my hiking trips, but it weights so much- I prefer to hike with my Victorinox Handyman. The best side of Surge- it has changeable saws and the bit driver.
Waiting for my ARC. Ordered one yesterday. Have been using a wave for probably 10 years. Then I got a Swisstool which I love. But I decided to pull the trigger for some magnacut and the free form factor I’ve been wanting to try. Love the content brother!!
Got mine for Christmas and am super stoaked! Don't miss the lacking bit yet but will keep it in consideration. Have had a surge for the past 3 years but it is so heavy that it lives in my backpack that I bring to work every day (pharmacist). I am also a knife nerd who has carried his spydiechef every day while not working. Now that I have the arc, I have a consolidated edc. All that aside, I can't get on board with losing the can opener--I use one almost every week
Already having a Surge, I didn't even consider the Arc. However I have noticed that the tool I use most are actually the scissors and those in Surge are absolutely the best among all tools I've used (that's also why I think that Surge outshines Wave).
Love Leatherman-bit concept, however hate how soft they are and how fast they wear down. Wish some company produce that bits with different technology so they would last.
Great video and modification. Thanks for the headsup about the missing bit. Im a little less excited because of that. Leatherman, have to find a way to mess something up!
for years steel snobs have been crying that Leatherman does not have "premium" blade steels.... now Leatherman made one with an upgraded steel.. and the same people are crying about how much it costs. I like the tool set on this, and would like to at least try one, for a review. but I am happy with my 440 blades on my wave and surge.
As a casual user I literally could not care less about the bits and I don't think I've had any issues with the bits in my skeletool during the 7 plus years I've had it..
I agree with you 100% about getting whatever works for you in this tool. I still think the ARC is excessively overpriced for the features it is offering
I think the price is ok. Multitools in general are rather fair priced compared to folding knives. Not my cup of tea though, as I carry a knife + MT, I would be more interested in a bladeless Free P4.
I have bought the Arc in Australia for $500 and i didn't even think about the bit kit. I have my wave+ on a pocket clip as I choose it for casual carry, you mentioned this is a wave+ upgrade. I have the heavier tools with a packed stealth as my EDC.
$230 & no serrated knife blade is ludicrous to me. Just got a Wave+ & I paid $120 & the complete bit kits for $30 from my local Sportsmans. I know it's the better deal for me as I still have my original Wave, 20+ years old, in my truck and it gets used almost daily. The new Wave+, my now EDC, is already seeing ample useage and so far I'm very happy with it. Great video, thanks.
I edc a Swisstool Spirit with ratchet and 4mm adapter. I did buy Arc today because I will carry it with Swiss ratchet because Leatherman one is way too expensive in secondary market. Very well done and thought out video.
On one hand, the ARC has continued to trend of Leatherman annoying me. Throwing a bunch of collector's items at us for a year and then finally giving us a new tool, that includes everything the FREE series should have but put at an absurd price point due to blade steel. On the other hand, it has got me to revisit my FREE P2 and I've grown to appreciate it more despite it's issues. I'm saving my money for a GOAT.
While I do love the idea of using standard 1/4" bits in theory, I'm not sure if it's actually better in practice. You lose another tool, and it's not a useless one - that flat driver is the prying tool as well, something you really shouldn't do with a bit driver. Plus, the way the Leatherman bit driver handles bit retention is (albeit only slightly) better than what these aftermarket parts offer. The 4mm bit holder is also really neat, but even a 4mm bit is wider than a Leatherman bit, so they would be hard pressed to include such a tool without taking up more space, compromising on strength, or creating proprietary precision bits that are as thin as their larger bits. And in the end, you still need to carry extra bits for it to even matter. The Leatherman bits are double sided, so in many cases it's just two tools in one, but you still have the pry tool. With the aftermarket, you can still have that two in one, but you lost the pry tool... I really don't think they are just trying to sell proprietary bits. I think most Wave owners probably don't buy a bit kit to start with, and probably only ever consider buying a replacement of the standard one it comes with if they break it. The Leatherman design allows them to fit more into one tool, while still giving you a two-in one with the option of swapping to other bit types, and the ability to replace broken bits. It isn't universal, but I think that it does what most users really need without wasting space. That's not to say that there aren't downsides to the way Leatherman does it, and they could certainly charge less for the replacements. And it isn't to say that this sort of upgrade doesn't make sense for some users, but I don't think I would agree that the standard bit driver is a "big issue" or that this is a "perfect fix" for it. I think there are much more frustrating issues that are much harder to solve with this and other Leatherman tools (not to mention other stuff that the company does).
Great video! I like the 1/4" + 4mm bit holder you installed replacing the proprietary Letherman bit holder. Are you aware of a replacement that would work with the Surge? Thanks!
Leatherman is creating the luxury multitool brand with the arc. In the pocketknife world, $230 is not that expensive really. Especially considering magnacut. Add the excellent toolset and I think this is the perfect pocket knife/multitool bridge.
Great job, man! I must say that Arc looks interesting.. BUT.. In Sweden it costs 3999 kr = 330 € for this money you can buy Surge/Charge/Wave or Free and for example Deka in Magnacut (if it is important to have a magnacut blade) and a few beers or some accessories. I plan on hunting for good sales and maybe then...
I've seen the cutters fail multiple times on cutting coat hanger type or softer wire. There's a flaw in the cutters. They chip when used to cut harder things towards the bottom.
The best thing there is your mod! (Really, where can I get one? You've mentioned this before I think) I seriously doubt knife lovers will generally consider the blade worth it For this price you can get wayyyyy better handling knives. For most knife people, ergonomics is a major factor. Which is why every one of them carries a multitool for anything but the blade, excepting as a backup option. For non-knife people, they will only carr for the steel if they are the type to buy into "x says this is the best". Leatherman is approaching Gerber levels of frustrating for me. But somehow from the exact opposite direction. Every Gerber tool has one or two good ideas but cheaps out so much on the rest the tool itself becomes pointless. Leatherman has one or two decent ideas snd continues to price themselves out of the user-consumer market straight into the lifestyle and collector segment. So nah, they don't pay for that Bruce Springsteen stamp. You do.
Epic setup love it🦾🔥🔥🔥..there are endless possibilities with leatherman multitools I just learned of a one where you can create a sheath on the belt clip using electricians shrink wrap..holstering something slimline which is the same size as the belt clip..👍🏻🔥🔥
I use the wave/charge can opener all the time. I do not like the can opener design on this Arc/P4 free series. Also, the wire stripper notch is to small on the Arc.
@@maxlvledc I had a feeling it wouldn't perform, as it is the same on the P4. As much as I like the Magnacut, right now- money wise, I will stick with my old reliable Charge TTi/Surge/Wave etc.
how do you make your Leatherman ARC Loosen up so you can actually flip the various components just with your thumb. I’ve had mine for a few months and I have tried everything and it’s still hard to get any of the components to come out!
The wire cutters on the pliers apparently sucks some people switch it out with a Polish replacement. I would like it better if it was half the weight. If it was mostly titanium it would become much lighter.
Did not know that the bit driver mod was a thing. I like it. I don't even have a tool I want to put it in yet, but I went ahead and ordered one. The shipping time is not looking quick, so I'll have time to decide if I want to pick up an Arc or put in something else.
I never got any of the free series tools, but with all my multitools, except for my PowerPint, I use them alot in a L shape to get more torque on a screw. I haven't seen anyone doing that with a free series tools, but I have seen many people use other multitools in a L shape. Can this frame not handle that stress? I am not talking lagbolt stress, but sometimes I have to sink a 2-6 inch regular wood screw into a deck or like the other day I had to fix my step and I used my Rebar. Thanks for answering this question because it just occurred to me that this might be a reason why I don't get a free series tool.
I have been eyeing the Surge. I really like the features of the Surge. Then, the Arc came out. Made in USA. Awesome. Your showing us, the viewers, this new product, the Arc, with owner's insights allows me to believe that there was not much courtesy to future potential buyers, omitting that one bit that normally comes with the Leatherman bits. Especially with the much higher price tag. Full disclosure report is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I saw your other video on how the cutters chipped. I'm wondering if the p4 cutters would fit instead. If so you could swap them out for the better version.
I bought an arc I have a wave and the GOAT TOOL and just really wanted this for the magnacut blade I own the bit kit but have never used it. Sad to hear about how soft the metal is Thanks for the info I may do the mod eventually
So where can I find the replacement bit driver? And does anyone know if the T-shank holder on the surge can be put onto the arc as well? I don’t have a lot of use for a wood saw but I’d find a metal saw useful pretty regularly.
I love magnacut, but it needs to be great treated correctly. I've been looking at this and we'll it works with one hand. My left arm is paralyzed and I just started living full time in my van... down by the river! So, currently I need a good, one handed multi-tool. Like you in pretty disappointed that the blade is coated. I imagine it's coated for a specific reason and I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's because there are some problems with the magnacut
I think my perfect tool, would be a Garage #005 and Arc combo. Swap all the Arc tool except the pry tool into the #005 handles, keeping the package opener/pry combo and the spring loaded pliers in the white grips, but with the black Arc blade, Arc awl, the slightly longer Arc file, and the slightly more refined designs of the bit drivers they put on the Arc. I think the saws are actually identical, and so are the scissors.
I really need the can opener. Can it be placed instead of the smaller bit driver, which now becomes redundant, as you can fit micro screwdriver into rhe 4 mm socket?
5:05 Seriously what is the big deal with the price? Any tool that will be used daily, AND lasts for 20 years?? is a bargain at under $400 ! .. Didn't like the spring pliers, HATE serrated blades (just keep the regular blade sharp) ... and HATE bottle openers you can open a bottle 1000 ways
I've been using the wave since before it picked up the + and have never seen a reason to upgrade it. I see a multi tool as kind of a jack of all trades master of non option. When I need better more specialized tools for something, I have those, know what I mean?
Hi, full size bit holder is the best mod ever IMO. Please could you say something more about quality of this piece? They say on the website is made of 420C steel, is it feel solid/strong enough since it looks very thin on the sides?
I really like my Arc, but I wish they had stamped a ruler on the frame like the Surge. That is such a useful day-to-day addition, and it would have been so easy to include. The Arc’s tool set is definitely superior, though, for my uses. And the Surge’s 420 steel blades are just not up to my standards. I’m not quite a knife snob, but I’d like something a little higher quality than simple 420. Every Leatherman tool has just a few things missing. They need to combine the best elements of 2 or 3 of their best tools and make one truly do-all model. But then you wouldn’t have to buy multiples to cover everything you actually want.
My only criticism on the arc is the bit holder is tough to open up solo. I have to open the entire side to get the driver out. On the surge it has a finger notch so you can open up solo
What matters more is its functionality when required. It's not compromise mate, it's an improvement. The reason Leatherman left out the two most useful bit is just sales & marketing. The Arc is quite expensive and to get one into Australia will be a fortune due to tax & exchange. FYI we've made mods to our generics that it would be able to utilise different/multiple bits from almost all makers. Who needs warranty when we have MaxLvlEDC to show us what to do to make our tools much more useful. Cheers maestro from Australia.
Thanks for the video. Please make a comparison between the Victorinox Spirit Mx Clip and the Leatherman Arc. The only thing that pulls me back from leatherman is that I live in a city near the sea and its tools rust a little faster. Thank you and have a good day
According to the product page (I'm still waiting mind to be sent while ordered just in the morning on 17th !!!) the included bit kit is weird mix - only metric Hexes and two square Robertson (one of which looks unique). The latter I suppose widely used only in the US and Canada. As the bit set does not differ across the ocean, that looks like "here is the bit kit for free tha half of which you won't ever use" ;)))
ARC:
#1 Torx #10 & #15,
#1 1 Torx #20 & #25
#1 Pozi #2 & #1
#2 Hex 1.5mm & 2mm
#2 Hex 2.5mm & 3mm
#2 Hex 4mm & 5mm
#1 Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8"
#1 Robertson #1 & 2
NONE Robertson #2 & 3
#1
+ Square Drive #1 & #2
+ Torx #10 & #15
+ Torx #20 & #25
Torx #27 & #30
Eyeglass Screwdriver
+ Pozi #2 & #1
Phillips #1 & #2
Phillips #0 & #3
+ Screwdriver 3/32" & 1/8"
Screwdriver 5/32" & 3/16"
Screwdriver 7/32" & 1/4"
#2
Torx #6 & #8
+ Hex 1.5mm & 2mm
+ Hex 2.5mm & 3mm
+ Hex 4mm & 5mm
Hex 6mm & 1/4"
Hex 7/32" & 3/16"
Hex 5/32 & 9/64"
Hex 1/8" & 7/64"
Hex 3/32" & 5/64"
Hex 1/16" & .050"
this info is amazing! pinning it!
The metric hexes will appeal to bicyclists since modern bikes use metric hex bolts almost exclusively.
I like your idea with it. Way better use. There always put some unnecessary tool on them.
Its 499 in Australia……. Daammmit
Leatherman must really be terrified of people modifying their tools. I can’t believe they’d go so far as to leave out the T8 from the set.
Yeah, it really says it all eh ? 😩
What’s hilarious is most of the engineers that participated in the Reddit AMA carry modified tools.
Well they stopped designing using security torx at least.
I'm a little confused as to what you're saying. it's not as if someone could take apart there Leatherman tool with the the tool itself. People can easily get the bit they need to disassemble the Leatherman tool, Leatherman knows this. If that's why they left that bit out it's really stupid.
@@davidrushing2507that is not the bit you need to take it apart! It uses a t9 technically you can use a t8 but you will end up stripping I know that from experience I ended up using a t8 and eventually got stripped
Hey, thanks for mentioning my holsters. The Garage 005 holster does fit the ARC, but I still will be making a perfect fit version just for the ARC. Even though it isn't mine, even I am tempted by that bit holder. Too bad I don't have easy access to low-cost machining like they do overseas.
If you made something like this it will sell out in a heartbeat, even at a higher price
In the Leatherman Q&A on reddit, one of the designers said they didn't put a hole in the awl because they view the implement as a pry/scrape/poke tool and the hole would decrease the overall strength.
I think that if I was going to do a repair on leather or canvas I would wait until I could do a proper repair rather than a patch job since these types of materials are usually found on more expensive gear. Nylon, ripstop, or other fabric would not fair well with such a large puncture to do a in a field repair. Dave Canterbury recommends taping a heavy sewing needle to the back of your knife sheath for repairs which could easily be adapted for todays needs.
If someone made an proper awl needle that fits into the eyeglass bit holder, that would be pretty cool.
agreed, and D.C. actually uses the hell out of his gear.
I can say I’ve never needed the hole in the awl to use for sewing, but I have broken my awl right at the hole using it as a reamer. In my opinion the hole just makes the tool weak and serves no purpose. So I agree with the designer.
@@maxlvledc why would the Leatherman driver bits wear out? Leatherman claims their driver bits are "hardened steel."
I definitely like the mod you did here. I wish Leatherman would offer that mod on their other models. I’m not a guy who’d pay the $230 plus for the Ark just because of a better blade steel. My Leatherman blade is a backup for my pocket knife anyway and that’s where I invest in a quality blade steel. To be able to use three different styles of drivers with that modification is sweet.
The only reason I was ever Intrested in the ark is for one it looks nicer then the free series and two is the thumb stud on the cutting blade. I was definitely a little disappointing in the price of the ark at first but hey I’ve carried a free p4 for quite awhile now and I’m very impressed other the it’s alittle bit tricky the access the blade in less than perfect conditions
🤣especially as you have life time warranty. So if you really need it you can send it in when the "cheaper" steel gets damaged.
With all one can criticize about Leatherman. Here they are really good at.
I just recently bought a new leatherman and I was torn from the surge or the arc. I decided to go with the surge just because I feel value for what you get is better then the arc. Plus being able to remove the file/saw and either get aftermarket bosh ones or just oem replacements is great, add the benefit of using the diamond file to sharpen the blade on the surge in a pinch is great as well.
Adding this bit driver does not void the entire warranty. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act explicitly states that no warrantor of a consumer product may condition the warranty on using any specific brand's parts. They would need to prove that your new part directly caused the failure to deny your claim. Warranties are one of the few areas where the USA actually has consumer protection.
There is no way to prove that you modded that tool. Just put back original parts before shipping and don't tell them anything.
Really appreciate your video! I have the skeletool and missing scissors and need better bits. After a summer of use, I'm now 100% attached to edc of a multi tool.
This mod now sold me on the ARC. Thanks!
I kinda like the Leatherman bit kit system better. Just for its carry ability. I can carry the tool and the full bit kit in the sheath plus the bit extender in those stretchy pockets on the outside. Absolutely perfect for edc.
It's great, if you love crazy expensive bits made from play dough metal...
The Leatherman bits are almost useless. Why they choose to use those bits beats me. Putting that bit proprietary driver on the Arc is a step backward. The bits keep falling out. The Arc is a terrible tool selection. No serrated blade? Pass. Lousy scissors? Pass. Useless bit driver taking up space? Pass. Lousy/no package opener? Pass. The Arc has a magnacut blade. Wooooo. Yeah, no. It's a toy for people who don't do.
@@edwardfletcher7790 I do
@@googleuser6635 nope
@@HughPecon Figures.
I feel like this issue wouldn't be one if they sold each bit individually, I'd pay $5 per bit if they'd sell the t6/t8 bits separately 😪
That is crappy of Leatherman to leave out one bit forcing you to buy a redundant bit kit to get all the bits. Leatherman doesn't even disclose this fact on their Arc web page.
It would be really nice if they had a "build your own tool" type of program so you can make a tool with the bit driver you installed, theres a handful of tools included on this that I have no use for and it would be nice to swap them out
i wish they could have the T shank from the surge i like having a few back up files laying around so i dont need to send in the tool for a new file everytime i wear it out
Thank you for this video, as well as the others you produce. I always look forward to seeing what you’re introducing next. As far as the Arc is concerned, Leatherman has priced itself out of my market. I bought a Wave+ earlier this year and added the bit kit & an bit extension. I was $150+ into a Leatherman EDC kit at that point. I won’t spend the extra for the Arc, especially since I bought the ByBury clone of the Surge, which is a really great tool. Unexpectedly, I bought the Gerber Dual Force (I think you informed us of the sale), and I use it more than any multitool I own. The chisel and pliers are fantastic. Thanks, again for your service.
I've got a Dual Force in my collection. Great tool. The slip joint on the pivot is such a nice feature. More multi-tools could use it.
If they made that bit holder slightly longer to allow more reach for regular 4mm bits. Then it would have been perfect.
I love your channel, thank you for sharing all the mod videos. I really enjoyed watching them, and I learned a lot of new potentials to make my multitool better.
Love the idea of modifying it but I’m gonna keep mine how it is, the flat ones are more portable if I need anything more robust chances are I have my tools anyways
Not trying to change your mind, but nothing would prevent you front still carrying the Leatherman bits and using them with the Mod shown in the video. It just provides additional options if you want to use other bits. That said, voiding the warranty could be a bummer if you’re hard on your tool.
The Leatherman oht is back in stock!
I actually like the flat bits because they take up less space. I usually carry a bit elder anyway so I can use 1/4” bits with that. I heard that the reason the bit kits were out of stock was because they needed to use another supplier and the new supplier increased the hardness of the bits. I’m not sure that true though it would be interesting to test that comment.
Could you please link the manufacturer of that mod you put in? İm looking for something similar for my wave and this seems to be just the ticket.
My King Surge will remain my go to multi tool for work. I will replace the Wave+ with the ARC for my edc.
Surge can't be used for EDC?
I don't see the "bit driver" at the ebay link provided for same--instead, it lists "Scalpel Blade Bit Holders Saw T-Shank for the Leatherman Free P2 P4 Series." If the original link is outdated, can you please supply an updated one? If you sell the bit driver through your affiliated links, I'll gladly buy one from there/you. Thanks--and great video!
Which bit driver is correct for the Free P4?
There are three versions for 4mm
Just got my Arc today. Replacing my Surge as my EDC since I really don't use it every day for hard work like the surge is really made for. Prefer the lighter weight and all tools on the outside. Love the channel! Thanks for all the great information!
I bought a Free P4 last year and that was pretty much the max I would spend on a multitool. This is just too expensive for me, and they do not even give you the full bit kit. Is the sheath leather? Maybe they should make a version with standard 420 steel. That would fine for my needs! I may scour Ebay later on for one!
And ruler, and the ruler. I will be etching my own in to the Arc
I'm a mechatronics technician, and this Leatherman Arc multi-tool is literally what I need. I'm from Europe, and despite the high price of €300+, I definitely find it worth the effort.
Come on, you can buy a toolset for that price!
On the site, it lists type A, B, C, D, E. I didn't quite understand
Love your videos and how in depth you go with details and your thoughts! I bought the arc today for one because I’m a knife guy “to your point” and I’ve been using the Free P2 as my harder use EDC multitool and with the tool set on the Arc it looks like those will be solved for me! I plan on making a video on my perspective of why I bought it when it arrives!
awesome, tag me when you do!
I just got my charge plus tti about 2 months ago, I’ll keep my charge for edc and I was between the arc and surge for work, I’m still leaning definitely more towards the Surge now
I have the Surge. It is VERY, VERY heavy tool. The Surge with bits and with ratchet driver weights 580 grams. Surge alone weight 380 grams.
I purchased it for my hiking trips, but it weights so much- I prefer to hike with my Victorinox Handyman.
The best side of Surge- it has changeable saws and the bit driver.
So where do I buy the 1/4” bit driver like you just installed!!???
Link in Description
The link is out of stock
@@maxlvledc Looking for this Arc bit driver mod. Updated link is for a scapel. Thanks
Waiting for my ARC. Ordered one yesterday. Have been using a wave for probably 10 years. Then I got a Swisstool which I love. But I decided to pull the trigger for some magnacut and the free form factor I’ve been wanting to try. Love the content brother!!
Got mine for Christmas and am super stoaked! Don't miss the lacking bit yet but will keep it in consideration. Have had a surge for the past 3 years but it is so heavy that it lives in my backpack that I bring to work every day (pharmacist). I am also a knife nerd who has carried his spydiechef every day while not working. Now that I have the arc, I have a consolidated edc. All that aside, I can't get on board with losing the can opener--I use one almost every week
Already having a Surge, I didn't even consider the Arc. However I have noticed that the tool I use most are actually the scissors and those in Surge are absolutely the best among all tools I've used (that's also why I think that Surge outshines Wave).
WOW!! Beautiful, the one with runes is amazing!!
Hello, the ebay link for the driver opens to a different product.
It is the listing where they have multiple options to select..but I'll double check.
Love Leatherman-bit concept, however hate how soft they are and how fast they wear down. Wish some company produce that bits with different technology so they would last.
Great explanation, plus the after market replacement driver on the ARC was stellar.
Surge or Wave + will be my go-to.
Great video and modification. Thanks for the headsup about the missing bit. Im a little less excited because of that. Leatherman, have to find a way to mess something up!
for years steel snobs have been crying that Leatherman does not have "premium" blade steels.... now Leatherman made one with an upgraded steel.. and the same people are crying about how much it costs. I like the tool set on this, and would like to at least try one, for a review. but I am happy with my 440 blades on my wave and surge.
You wouldn’t happen to have a part number for the pice you put in would you? I just ordered on and that bit would be the perfect addition to the tool!
As a casual user I literally could not care less about the bits and I don't think I've had any issues with the bits in my skeletool during the 7 plus years I've had it..
Seriously right😂
Looking for that exact bit driver does not seem to be at the Url
I updated it with one from ebay
How does this void your warranty, couldn’t you just put the original tool back in there before you send it off?
Nice mod Dom, a lot will be interested in this 👍
I had no idea they omitted the T6/T8 from the kit and that is why it was missing! Why do you think they did that??
I agree with you 100% about getting whatever works for you in this tool. I still think the ARC is excessively overpriced for the features it is offering
I think the price is ok. Multitools in general are rather fair priced compared to folding knives. Not my cup of tea though, as I carry a knife + MT, I would be more interested in a bladeless Free P4.
Agree, it should be $189 at the absolute maximum.
I have bought the Arc in Australia for $500 and i didn't even think about the bit kit. I have my wave+ on a pocket clip as I choose it for casual carry, you mentioned this is a wave+ upgrade. I have the heavier tools with a packed stealth as my EDC.
$230 & no serrated knife blade is ludicrous to me. Just got a Wave+ & I paid $120 & the complete bit kits for $30 from my local Sportsmans. I know it's the better deal for me as I still have my original Wave, 20+ years old, in my truck and it gets used almost daily. The new Wave+, my now EDC, is already seeing ample useage and so far I'm very happy with it.
Great video, thanks.
Wow. I’d really love those full sized bits
Thank you very much
Hey leatherman. Do what’s right
I edc a Swisstool Spirit with ratchet and 4mm adapter. I did buy Arc today because I will carry it with Swiss ratchet because Leatherman one is way too expensive in secondary market. Very well done and thought out video.
On one hand, the ARC has continued to trend of Leatherman annoying me.
Throwing a bunch of collector's items at us for a year and then finally giving us a new tool, that includes everything the FREE series should have but put at an absurd price point due to blade steel.
On the other hand, it has got me to revisit my FREE P2 and I've grown to appreciate it more despite it's issues.
I'm saving my money for a GOAT.
I've been split between splurging on an Arc (I love the magnetic, one-handed everything) and a GOAT (I love the customizability)
You're better off with a Sheep 👌
"I'm saving my money for a GOAT."
Ah, yes, the Victorinox Swiss Tool X.
Do you think it’s a good idea to put locktite on the screws when you put it back together?
Great video!
full-size 1/4" hex drive is absolutely amazing. for most people, the can opener is the one tool they don't use. truly the perfect mod.
Be nice if they had a custom platform where you could order the tool with the tools you want built by them and still under warranty
Great business opportunity
The can opener is one of my most used tools. Could the can opener be swapped with the awl which I don't use so the 4 mm bit driver could be used?
While I do love the idea of using standard 1/4" bits in theory, I'm not sure if it's actually better in practice. You lose another tool, and it's not a useless one - that flat driver is the prying tool as well, something you really shouldn't do with a bit driver. Plus, the way the Leatherman bit driver handles bit retention is (albeit only slightly) better than what these aftermarket parts offer. The 4mm bit holder is also really neat, but even a 4mm bit is wider than a Leatherman bit, so they would be hard pressed to include such a tool without taking up more space, compromising on strength, or creating proprietary precision bits that are as thin as their larger bits. And in the end, you still need to carry extra bits for it to even matter. The Leatherman bits are double sided, so in many cases it's just two tools in one, but you still have the pry tool. With the aftermarket, you can still have that two in one, but you lost the pry tool...
I really don't think they are just trying to sell proprietary bits. I think most Wave owners probably don't buy a bit kit to start with, and probably only ever consider buying a replacement of the standard one it comes with if they break it. The Leatherman design allows them to fit more into one tool, while still giving you a two-in one with the option of swapping to other bit types, and the ability to replace broken bits. It isn't universal, but I think that it does what most users really need without wasting space.
That's not to say that there aren't downsides to the way Leatherman does it, and they could certainly charge less for the replacements. And it isn't to say that this sort of upgrade doesn't make sense for some users, but I don't think I would agree that the standard bit driver is a "big issue" or that this is a "perfect fix" for it. I think there are much more frustrating issues that are much harder to solve with this and other Leatherman tools (not to mention other stuff that the company does).
Whats your take…swapping out the saw for the serrated blade? Thats a complaint I’ve seen a lot for surge/charge users
I prefer this toolset personally. I don't need another blade.
Such a great modification. Awesome tip.
Where can I get the 1/4" bit holder attachment you put in there and what did you have to remove?
Great video! I like the 1/4" + 4mm bit holder you installed replacing the proprietary Letherman bit holder. Are you aware of a replacement that would work with the Surge? Thanks!
The bit holder is one useless placeholder, IMO.
Leatherman is creating the luxury multitool brand with the arc. In the pocketknife world, $230 is not that expensive really. Especially considering magnacut. Add the excellent toolset and I think this is the perfect pocket knife/multitool bridge.
Couldn’t agree more. For all the tools you get WITH a magnacut blade it’s not bad at all
Great job, man! I must say that Arc looks interesting.. BUT.. In Sweden it costs 3999 kr = 330 € for this money you can buy Surge/Charge/Wave or Free and for example Deka in Magnacut (if it is important to have a magnacut blade) and a few beers or some accessories. I plan on hunting for good sales and maybe then...
I've seen the cutters fail multiple times on cutting coat hanger type or softer wire. There's a flaw in the cutters. They chip when used to cut harder things towards the bottom.
The best thing there is your mod! (Really, where can I get one? You've mentioned this before I think)
I seriously doubt knife lovers will generally consider the blade worth it
For this price you can get wayyyyy better handling knives.
For most knife people, ergonomics is a major factor. Which is why every one of them carries a multitool for anything but the blade, excepting as a backup option.
For non-knife people, they will only carr for the steel if they are the type to buy into "x says this is the best".
Leatherman is approaching Gerber levels of frustrating for me. But somehow from the exact opposite direction.
Every Gerber tool has one or two good ideas but cheaps out so much on the rest the tool itself becomes pointless.
Leatherman has one or two decent ideas snd continues to price themselves out of the user-consumer market straight into the lifestyle and collector segment.
So nah, they don't pay for that Bruce Springsteen stamp. You do.
Epic setup love it🦾🔥🔥🔥..there are endless possibilities with leatherman multitools I just learned of a one where you can create a sheath on the belt clip using electricians shrink wrap..holstering something slimline which is the same size as the belt clip..👍🏻🔥🔥
I use the wave/charge can opener all the time. I do not like the can opener design on this Arc/P4 free series. Also, the wire stripper notch is to small on the Arc.
I also use my can opener on my wave almost everyday, I havent had the opportunity to use this new design I've been wondering how it well it would work
way way way worse imo. its a shitty can opener.
@@maxlvledc I had a feeling it wouldn't perform, as it is the same on the P4. As much as I like the Magnacut, right now- money wise, I will stick with my old reliable Charge TTi/Surge/Wave etc.
Thanks for the tip on how you can by the second half of the bit kit. It was the big turnoff for this.
Was anyone able to find the link with the holster that has the bits attached to the holster? Ingenious idea !!💪🏼💪🏼👍👍
Man, the full 1/4” bit driver is what I want!
I’ve wanted a p4 with bit driver for a while… considering that it cost me $160 with a student discount I got it seems reasonable
how do you make your Leatherman ARC Loosen up so you can actually flip the various components just with your thumb. I’ve had mine for a few months and I have tried everything and it’s still hard to get any of the components to come out!
I wish this came with the attachment for the part that utilizes the jig saw blades instead of the fixed saw and I think this would be my perfect tool
The wire cutters on the pliers apparently sucks some people switch it out with a Polish replacement. I would like it better if it was half the weight. If it was mostly titanium it would become much lighter.
Did not know that the bit driver mod was a thing. I like it. I don't even have a tool I want to put it in yet, but I went ahead and ordered one. The shipping time is not looking quick, so I'll have time to decide if I want to pick up an Arc or put in something else.
I never got any of the free series tools, but with all my multitools, except for my PowerPint, I use them alot in a L shape to get more torque on a screw. I haven't seen anyone doing that with a free series tools, but I have seen many people use other multitools in a L shape. Can this frame not handle that stress? I am not talking lagbolt stress, but sometimes I have to sink a 2-6 inch regular wood screw into a deck or like the other day I had to fix my step and I used my Rebar. Thanks for answering this question because it just occurred to me that this might be a reason why I don't get a free series tool.
If they added that i would buy one tomorrow. That is a great idea for them to start using that.
I have been eyeing the Surge. I really like the features of the Surge. Then, the Arc came out. Made in USA. Awesome. Your showing us, the viewers, this new product, the Arc, with owner's insights allows me to believe that there was not much courtesy to future potential buyers, omitting that one bit that normally comes with the Leatherman bits. Especially with the much higher price tag. Full disclosure report is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I saw your other video on how the cutters chipped. I'm wondering if the p4 cutters would fit instead. If so you could swap them out for the better version.
Or the ones for the wave series.
I bought an arc
I have a wave and the GOAT TOOL and just really wanted this for the magnacut blade
I own the bit kit but have never used it. Sad to hear about how soft the metal is
Thanks for the info I may do the mod eventually
Is the blade hardend enough for that Premium steel ? Otherwise just expensive with no Real hardness
Gas station near me sells the replacement bit 3 pack. I've bought them there a few times as they really don't last.
Really????
Yup called valley wide in Rexburg Idaho. Has a little country store and hardware section in it but the Leatherman case is by the Gatorade lol.
So where can I find the replacement bit driver? And does anyone know if the T-shank holder on the surge can be put onto the arc as well? I don’t have a lot of use for a wood saw but I’d find a metal saw useful pretty regularly.
Tshank holder def isn’t interchangeable, diffferrnt locking system.
I would definitely take that over the Leatherman bit kit and can opener.
The Arc bit kit is parts of #1 and #2 with the Robertson #2/#3 bit not found in kit #1 or#2..
ahhh, so thats even worse lol! how are you supposed to finish the set then?
Yes, what research show that this combo was desired for this most premium tool? Should’ve just included both kits….
Hmm, that modification on my Surge will be sick. You know if a bit driver version exists for Surge? Thanks!
I love magnacut, but it needs to be great treated correctly. I've been looking at this and we'll it works with one hand. My left arm is paralyzed and I just started living full time in my van... down by the river! So, currently I need a good, one handed multi-tool. Like you in pretty disappointed that the blade is coated. I imagine it's coated for a specific reason and I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's because there are some problems with the magnacut
I think my perfect tool, would be a Garage #005 and Arc combo. Swap all the Arc tool except the pry tool into the #005 handles, keeping the package opener/pry combo and the spring loaded pliers in the white grips, but with the black Arc blade, Arc awl, the slightly longer Arc file, and the slightly more refined designs of the bit drivers they put on the Arc. I think the saws are actually identical, and so are the scissors.
Mine came with the t6 t8 bit...that's weird. And I have never broken my bits. I've used them a lot too. I wonder if I just got lucky
I really need the can opener. Can it be placed instead of the smaller bit driver, which now becomes redundant, as you can fit micro screwdriver into rhe 4 mm socket?
yep!
5:05 Seriously what is the big deal with the price? Any tool that will be used daily, AND lasts for 20 years?? is a bargain at under $400 ! ..
Didn't like the spring pliers, HATE serrated blades (just keep the regular blade sharp) ... and HATE bottle openers you can open a bottle 1000 ways
I've been using the wave since before it picked up the + and have never seen a reason to upgrade it. I see a multi tool as kind of a jack of all trades master of non option. When I need better more specialized tools for something, I have those, know what I mean?
man i just did this mod and now my locking mechanism has some side to side play… can’t seem to figure it out for the life of me
Hi, full size bit holder is the best mod ever IMO. Please could you say something more about quality of this piece? They say on the website is made of 420C steel, is it feel solid/strong enough since it looks very thin on the sides?
1/4” driver and 4mm driver is awesome… great upgrade.
I really like my Arc, but I wish they had stamped a ruler on the frame like the Surge. That is such a useful day-to-day addition, and it would have been so easy to include. The Arc’s tool set is definitely superior, though, for my uses. And the Surge’s 420 steel blades are just not up to my standards. I’m not quite a knife snob, but I’d like something a little higher quality than simple 420. Every Leatherman tool has just a few things missing. They need to combine the best elements of 2 or 3 of their best tools and make one truly do-all model. But then you wouldn’t have to buy multiples to cover everything you actually want.
My only criticism on the arc is the bit holder is tough to open up solo. I have to open the entire side to get the driver out. On the surge it has a finger notch so you can open up solo
What matters more is its functionality when required. It's not compromise mate, it's an improvement. The reason Leatherman left out the two most useful bit is just sales & marketing. The Arc is quite expensive and to get one into Australia will be a fortune due to tax & exchange. FYI we've made mods to our generics that it would be able to utilise different/multiple bits from almost all makers. Who needs warranty when we have MaxLvlEDC to show us what to do to make our tools much more useful. Cheers maestro from Australia.
I have the Klein mini ratchet. Highly recommended
Thanks for the video.
Please make a comparison between the Victorinox Spirit Mx Clip and the Leatherman Arc.
The only thing that pulls me back from leatherman is that I live in a city near the sea and its tools rust a little faster.
Thank you and have a good day
Looking to get this. Never thought about particulates in the magnet. Are these easy to clean and remove those participates?
That product link in your description isn't working for me.
That little modification would be a HUGE sell point for me. In fact I probably wouldn't even think about the price if that was an option.
I was dead set on buying it at launch but I woke up on the 17th with a changed mind. Gonna wait it out.