@@fpvsmurfHip Hop would have died in the late 70s or early 80s without rapping. It would have remained nothing more than parties and never developed into a genre of music. Every element of Hip Hop comes from black Americans anyway.
@@smokescythe8880 Yes, it's high time we stopped doing that. And that goes especially for those who look like us. They are the ones who get close enough to perpetrate a Judas move.
You lost respect. They started raiding the cookout in the 2000s. At this point, dont need your permission to eat your food and leave with the cooler. Matter of fact you could say that the BBQ is in their backyard at this point.
Think about it black americans needed or waited for puerto ricans and jamaicans to show us how to play black music rhyme over it in our slang. Hip hop was created out of exclusion and separation from main stream society. Pain and disrespect by the majority of the country lack of opportunities. Make it make sense. Puerto Ricans parents and jamaicans parents did not like them mixing with us or dating period . They cannot rewrite history I was there.
True. Mexicans have been building lowriders on air suspensions since 1930s. Jamaicans and their boomboxes showed people in NY how to bring sound systems. Vatos in Los Angeles have been blasting ICE-T since 87. Puerto Ricans went to Wu-Tang-Clan concerts from beginning. The hatred is unreal. Man we are all God‘s children and therefore brothers and sisters. Stop this conversation.
Some People in the comments seem confused,,the question is who created hip hop,,not what races joined into the hip hop culture after black Americans created it..............U get it 🙄
@@bennyolivares8259 who taught us? What You're saying is that there was a 'Black" Hip-Hop happening. No such thing ever happened. If we're students name the teachers
@@randee4550 Teachers Easy_ James Brown, Parliament Funkadelic. Roy Ayers, George Washington Jr. Theloniuos Monk, Gap Band, Kool and The Gang Band, Rick James, Maze, Jacksons, Soul Music
@@randee4550 You really need to stop. You ever heard Brand Nubian and the Sunshine Sample ? If you don't know about this song and the sample , please stop
The Pun line is “I’m the first Latin rapper to baffle ya skull Master the flow niggas be swearing I’m blacker than coal (Cole) like Nat King” RIP Big Dawg the Punisher
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Also, black Americans were already living within the elements of hip hop. Each element of hip hop we were already living within and being active. All you have to do is let the music play from that Time, because the music will speak for itself.
From early rap, to boom bap, to gangsta, to crunk, to pimp ish, to backpack, to drill - ALL forms were BLACK influenced!!! If PRs invented it too - how come we don’t see any influence in the transformation thru out the 50 or more years of Rap/Hip Hop! Lord Jamar is right with his receipts! 💯 Shoutout to Tariq Nasheed & his documentary Microphone Check that brilliantly breaks down the history with ALL the original creators of Hip Hop who are STILL alive by the way!!! 🫡
@@bangmateo7481 3:03 No disrespect intended brother! But I GUARANTEE Lord Jamar is more financially stable, & more accomplished in life than you are! Didn’t mean to ruin your Friday night - just being respectfully REAL thou! 😂 😜 🤣
@@emoneybagz8629 Naaa he is not more stable than me at all. I dont ask for donations nor be relaying on YT money. Im good I have my own business and flip homes with my cousins. I bought my home without a loan.
@@bangmateo7481 , HOW is LORD JAMAR WASHED UP when BRAND NUBIAN IS STILL DOING SHOWS ALL OVER? EXPLAIN THAT ! ARTISTS THAT ARE STILL IN HIGH DEMAND ARE NOT WASHED UP !
Lord Jamar kept it 💯 Hip hop is derived from the cultural art forms and styles of Black Americans end of story. Hip hop has James Browns name all over it. There would be no hip hop if it wasn't for James Brown in particular Soul and Funk.
@@lamelprince9278 Young black kids stole what you are speaking of from the disco era. They didn't create that shit. People was doing that before hip hop.
They were sampling music and rappping in the West Indies before they were in America. Specifically in Jamaica, Just because they were using American records doesn't mean they didn't copied the idea from another culture that was doing it before them. It's well documented if you want to do some research.
@@Lerf8 NO NONO they didnt STEAL anything they listened to the music that their parents listened to and sampled it >R&B funk jazz the blues all comes the black american experience
All liars ...Cubans Dominicans Puerto Rico Only NYC blacks created hip hop...but Jews Italians Panamanian white boys were also there ....hip hop is NYC culture .hip hop was put on map by NYC . Rap music is sampledu msic from alli music. including European .. now black outside NYC are shocked by this ..blacks outside NYC from Crenshaw to Atlanta to Chicago to Mali to Congo to zimbabwe to LA had no clue on birth of hip hop till NYC shared it .stop lies I was there. Bronx created zero NYC created hip hop 1979 ford apache Bronx. No hip hop in that movie .Jefferson Sam ford son. No hip hop in it all 1070s black movies zero hip hop. Proof is in ya face black music no town jazz. Billie Dee William Diana Ross. Behaving pimp is not hip hop stop it
Folks not knowing this was a debate is big part of the problem!!! I'm in my 60's and Lord Jamar is one thousand percent correct. Microphone Check is correct! I lived through James Brown singing "I'm Black and I'm Proud." I remember Aretha Franklin singing "Young Gifted and Black." It is a shame that Black folks from my generation and older did not explain to the younger generations that Black Immigrants (Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, etc.) did not rock with Black Americans in the 60s and early 70s. We were "Yankees" (Yanks) and "Morenos." There were street gangs that would fight among each other as well if we just tried to hang out together or tried to rap to their women. It wasn't until the mid-70s after the Blacksploitation flicks (e.g., Superfly, Shaft, etc.) Black celebrities (Muhamed Ali), and television shows (Soul Train, Flip Wilson show, etc.), that other groups started to think Black folks were cool and wanted to hang with us in a real way despite what their family members said. Black American culture already had the music, rappin, djing, dancing, graffiti, etc. before other groups were allowed to join in. Yes, Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans helped tremendously to evolve the Hip Hop culture over the years. They helped to keep it fresh and exciting for decades. Slick Rick, Flash, Herc, Chase, Crazy Legs, Big Pun, Notorious Big, Heavy D., etc. are all legends and deserve the utmost respect. But Black Americans created Hip Hop just like we created Rock & Roll, Ragtime, Jazz, Gospel, Country, House, Techno, etc.! It is now up to the younger generations to protect Black American intellectual property going forward. We have a culture, we are American, and we aren't a lost tribe of 50+ million Africans just wandering around America. F$&K that SH%T!
Peace Rock ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻 Hip Hop Music & Culture holds such a deep meaning within’ my lifestyle, Emcee’s/Teachers such as KRS & Rakim are GOD’s within’ the Culture, i view them in high regard, and there bars are the Gospel to me….but “To Each is Own” in respect to others, thanks for covering this between Jamar and Kris 💯👊🙏✌🏻
I'm Puerto Rican. And the origins of hiphop did not include Ricans lol. We didn't come along until after 1975. We might of been there in the beginning. But we ain't start shit before 1975.
Peace. I appreciate your honesty and I THANK YOU FOR THAT!! I'm Foundational Black American but I have a younger brother and sister who are half Puerto Rican ( I have the same father as them but different mother ) and I will die and kill for them. But as much as much as I love my little brother and sister the truth must be revealed and as a 51 year old Hip Hop Head I feel obligated to help defend that truth. Peace to you bro.
@@damonclark5742 Peace to him for honesty but cats who scream FBA gotta learn to be honest too and stop playing so pristine and innocent all the time. Real talk.
Exactly! Your a “Porto Rican” not a Boricua🇵🇷 and the Father of Black History in Harlem was a Boricua🇵🇷 by the name of Arturo Alfonso Schomberg and I suggest you visit the library 📚 across the street from Harlem Hospital which is named after Arturo Alfonso Schomberg. Y’all Porto Rican know nothing about the Boricua🇵🇷 history in Harlem World✊🏾❤️🖤💚💯
@@smithblack10050 plus years is a long time to evolve. Non Unity is not Hip Hop. We supposed to be coming together and improving our conditions as a Culture TOGETHER
As a 47 yr old Puerto Rican, Hip Hop has ALWAYS been in my heart! Whether or not PR had anything to do with the creation of Hip Hop, it is a blessing to be allowed to be apart of the Hip Hop culture! I have no debate on this topic, like you said you weren't there and neither was I! I was the Puerto Rican kid with all Black friends, they were always aloud in my house and vise versa! I know what you mean, I did know PR like that, my fam did not rock like that, we were humble living in the project(Shout out to Charter Oak Terrace)coexisting as one!💯
I'm a 54 yr. old former project dweller (Shout to Bushwick Houses). Brooklyn born and raised. I get what your saying and God bless your fam for being so progressive, but this is Hip Hop history which also means it's New York history. They're speaking from that perspective which is spot on. In school was cool. You wasn't going in the crib though......No Morenos allowed.....lol. Hip Hop deaded all that.
✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿Peace to KRS-1, but I will have to side with Lord Jamar on this topic! And I love my Hispanic brothers and sisters unconditionally 💓 💗 💕 ❤️ 💛 💖! I feel that Foundational Black Americans feel like every time they create something, others want to come in, be a part of it, and then somehow others end up getting much of the credit! We have contributed a lot to society as well, and we must have the initial say and direction of how our culture is directed! I feel like the battle between Kendrick Lamar and Drake was so important because we really need to crack down on people looking to exploit something we made!
How you think being there means you created something? Picking up what we put down means you created something? Pun openly admitted to kissing Kool G Rap ring when he met him. He thanked FBA for accepting boricua in the culture. He knew he was a guest. You can find the footage. We have too much history with creating styles and rhythms in America. Them thinking they co-created Hip Hop is mad disrespectful. We ain't never needed help creating trendy shit. Thats our history! They copy us. We don't copy anybody, son. Peace.
Yes you do copy others and steal from other cultures especially the fashion part wearing baseball caps, jerseys, nikes and adidas like it's yours. Look at the wu tang clan stole their names and sound from kung fu flicks.
I agree. But it makes people uncomfortable. Look at most of the music in America. We created solo bolo. Bit to say they didn’t participate. But that’s not the same thing as create. We need to stop being so accepting because of people’s feelings
@@caliclassicstv2024 Your right, Participate is different than invented. But why We can't even recognize participants. I think Crazy Legs was Important. I think Mad Lion was Important, SuperKat, Daddy Freddie. Many others.
@@hardworkplayerzincPGE777 they are already recognized historically He is only making a distinction between the two because we are always rewrote or downplayed out of the actually history and creation of everything Shit look at rock and rock if you ask folks right now who actually created they will swear white folks did.
Whether you Created it or Decorated it, i truly believe the importance lays within’ the preservation, the creativity and/or innovation and continue the teachings and message that Hip Hop Music & Culture provides, striving to strengthen it, and continuing to push it forward, especially in todays world and societies 💯🙏✌🏻
It's like white people and Rock & Roll....Elvis took Rock & Roll to another level, but he emulated Black performers. Black Americans created it. They spoke no Spanish, they rhymed in Ebonics. In Reggaeton, no one raps in Ebonics. The foundation bof Hip Hop is Funk Break Breaks & Ebonics. Why would Puerto Ricans in the 1970s create an art form based on that???
No, you're wrong. That's not what he's saying. Lord Jamar said the creation of Hip-hop started from black people. Puerto Rican Latinos help move the culture yes.
If you're a black American and feel like you have to be from the Bronx to claim cultural ownership over Hip Hop and to speak on it's origins then you are lost. All this NYC worship over Hip Hop got to stop, esp when the roots of it come from other parts of black America and literally would not exist without it, and especially with the city becoming more immigrant infested.
Listen to me ,If black people were'nt in NY there would be NO hip hop ,But if Puerto Ricans were not in NY ,black people would still have been suceesful with hip hop,So let's stop with the bullshit
That's not what the question was. The question was did PRs contribute to pioneering hip hop. Easy yes...from the Mic..to the Graff to bboying..they created new styles in all elements that led to the creation and advancement of hip hop culture. They even inspired fashion as MC Shan already acknowledged...they stood right there in Krush Groove, first major hip hop movie..they were present in the first movie that showed bboying to the world..flashdance..they were standing there on the Mic and DJ in the first ever hip hop movie wildstyle..they were present as the Graff artists in first hip hop documentary Wildstyle...this goes even deeper and further into playing in Negro baseball Leagues..civil rights movement...and even playing in jazz bands. Hell..who started the Center for Black research in Harlem?? A Puerto Rican man... Ya need to know ya history. Opinions are many but facts r facts!
Even the people WHO WERE THERE at the creation of hip hop said there was NO Hispanics creations or influence. We don't have to be there in the beginning, many of the original creators are still alive. Let's believe what they said
@@barreraboyz , BEING THERE ISN'T CREATING ANYTHING. If I came to YOUR HOUSE, & U COOKED ME a FULL MEAL, and I ate it, it was DELICIOUS & ALL THAT. DID I HELP CREATE THE MEAL ? LMAO !
HipHop is not just rap & music! Why y'all forget that! Y'all always forget about Breakdancing and Graffiti! Puerto Ricans were an probably still is the ones doing before it people started rapping!
@@randee4550 bro Puerto Ricans have nothing to do with shit but Puerto Ricans you remix everything we do all the way till this day. The proof is in the pudding we don’t remix nothing Spanish people do..😂 mann y’all need to stop😂
Hip hop is about style, that 1950s wasn't hip hop because it wasn't the same style and attitude of hip hop, it might just look the same, Brazilians been doing something like that for decades called copeira, hip hop is an attitude and style, there's no black precursor to it.
Mad props the Jubalaires from Florida of the 1940s who were rapping and singing, The Mill Brothers from Ohio of the 1930s who were breakdancing, and the Godfather, Mr. James Brown himself who was rapping and beat boxing back in the 1960s. What do they all have in common? THEY'RE SO-CALLED BLACK AMERICANS, and held the elements of Hip-hop before it even became a culture. Respect the architects of the elements. You can't have a periodic table without the elements just like you cant have a culture without a foundation.
I thought someone woulda commented this already... "N''s be swearin I'm Blacker than Cole/like Nat King/ I packin them guns/blastin M-1's/maaagnums caaannons & gaatling guuns!(it's Big Pun!!)/The one & only son a' Tony..." RIP
To understand why indigenous Boricuas desire to appropriate Afro-American culture, one has to understand the predominance of Afro-PuertoRican culture(Black Culture of PuertoRico from the Black PuertoRicans). The predominance of Black PuertoRican culture makes indigenous Boricuas feel invisible on the island so when they migrated to NewYork, only to be surrounded by another form of Black culture(Black American now as opposed to the Black PuertoRican culture), that compounded their pre-existing feelings of invisibility/cultural inadequacy. It was a mere reflex for them to appropriate Black American culture the same way that they appropriated Black PuertoRican culture back home(Bomba&Plena, African ritual percussion & dance culture that became PuertoRico's national identity). It all stems from inadequate feelings of envy toward the utter ubiquity of Diasporic African culture as a whole, from Salsa to Bomba&Plena, to Merengue, to Samba/Capoiera, to Cumbia/Cumba, to Tango/Milonga, to Afro-Cuban Jazz, to Mambo, to Cha-Cha-Cha, to Conga drumming, to Bongos, to Clave, to Bata, to Reggaeton etc...Black Culture of Latin America makes the indigenous population feel invisible so they lash out at us as a result. The concept of "Mejorar La Raza" also plays a huge roll in this as well. To ALL Black people(Afro-Americana/Afro-Latina/Afro-Caribbana/Continental Africana), ...indigenous hate us because their identity is vicariously predicated on our collective cultures all throughout the Americas. Always remember that.....
Can't stand us but want to claim what we created. I grew up through the 80's. I don't recall ANY Hispanic rappers. And they were in their separate spaces. You spoke nothing but facts. This is not me being divisive. Just fed up with the tap dancing around the facts.
@@lamelprince9278 Who's trolling? You wasn't there!!! Racists aren't part of Hip-Hop CULTURE!!! Y'all need to start your own, exclusive, all Black racist shit, and call it some other shit. Y'all not Hip-Hop!
Aside from the language difference, PUERTO RICANS, BLACKS, JAMAICANS ..WE ALL THE SAME …ISRAEL … And this is exactly the Type of conundrums we run into because they let us believe we are different people… So now we’re debating hip-hop? Their mission has been accomplished.
Lord J is right and exact! We deal with Actual Facts not Actual Feelings. Hip Hop is a product of Black American Culture, and that’s not disrespect to anyone. The disrespect is aimed at those who refuse to give us our credit. We started something that everyone started jacking and that’s all it is.
@@MentalPistol that should be obvious to a thinking man. It’s obvious to all why our open enemies won’t take credit more than those who only appear to be friends but secretly have a deep hatred and disdain for the Black Man. Go find someone on your level to debate with.
@@krazyk9466 Thats called diverting. I asked you why you have nothing for the wyatt and the jeu who control your entire image and project you out to the greater globe in any way they see fit, resulting in us looking and sounding like a modern savages globally.. but you have endless energy and smoke for the West Indian and the Puerto Rican over who created what 50 years ago. Thats what everyone with a brain is really wondering.
All due respect my brother but as a puerto rican I can tell you not all rican families ain't like that! All my people broke bread at my crib! My mom's made sure all my boys ate before they left my house. Any, love to all!
That was kind of strange to bring that story up now in relation to this hip hop timeline debate🤔..as if that was how all puerto rican families moved smh
@servantofyahawashi75 when a person have to say...well mine didnt do this or that. Even though they said it as way to low key debate or be contray to whats spoken. They dont know....all they did was still prove the point. Because if you gotta say that that means most didnt do just yours did. Most = Majority and that majority is what the point was originally about. So yes they didn't rock with us like that. The majority is a LARGE group...ie...1/10. The 1 as in theirs ONLY
That shit sounds good, but it’s all stereotypical on both sides because growing up in New York. A lot of black families did the same thing when it came to the dirty Puerto Rican kid Puerto Rican family with little black kids so that depended on your parents outlook in life. I’m Puerto Rican and I grew up with Keith Wiggins otherwise known as cowboy and we used to say we were cousins cause his father was always at my house with my dad. I went to school with, Mel and again we are like family and I’m Puerto Rican so again that is stereotypical on the family you were dealing with on either side so that’s a lot of bullshit.
I feel like this argument is never ending as long as everybody wants to pin point the "creation" of hip hop to a date, time and place. This is the same fallacy with the whole "hip hop birthday on Aug. 11 1973" blah blah. Creation can also be viewed as an ongoing process...
Read the book “Bomba to Hip Hop.” Everyone in that area at that time help create the culture and yes Puerto Ricans did. It may not be the popular thing to say but it is the truth. There were a lot of Puerto Ricans involved. Bomba. Jamaican, Puerto Rican, African American kids in the Bronx started it and the mixture of cultures and styles made it be what it is.
✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾 It’s all love but the truth is the truth. The other people that were there who weren’t Black American were participating in Black American culture and they knew it. They didn’t bring their culture outside with them. They walked, talked and acted like BA. They have admitted this and said their family would make fun and question why they were hanging with the Black Americans. Peace to everybody. ♥️🖤🔱🖤♥️
Charlie Chase who is Puerto Rican and an elder in culture who was there early said his self.. black people created hip hop and Puerto Ricans joined in after the fact. Prince Whipper Whip who is Puerto Rican and credited as being the 1st PR DJ in hip hop said the same thing. Blacks created hip hop and Puerto Ricans learned from them. All facts no feelings... PRs definitely helped build the culture but did NOT create it.
My question was, when was it coined hiphop? Or when was there a collection of all the elements consistently at the same time to lead into the definition of hiphop?
There isnt even a consensus on the origin of the term "hip hop". Different people say they personally made it up, while others have said the police made it up while harassing party goers.
✌️✌️✌️✌️Blues, Rock & Roll, Jazz, Funk, Gospel, Rhythm & Blues, Soul, and HIP HOP were all created by American Culture (Blacks). Can ‘House’ music be thrown in there too? Most House reminds me of Gospel and vice verse.
@@bxneco3949Rap alone has different sub genres and fusions that Black Americans have created. Drill, Trap, Country rap tunes. East Coast sound is different than West coast sound is different than the Southern sound. We inspire UK "drill rap" where guns are illegal. House & Electronic music is booming in Latin America currently. Y'all did NOT create freestyle rap!
@@melikthegeek where the receipts? Rap was and is dominant by blks but b boy, break dancing and graffiti was dominant by Puerto Ricans and the receipts are there.
Umm… how old are you cats…. They were a part of the culture, experiencing it … their contributions came in when bugaloo and break dancing came into play … then all cultures put their spin on what was created by the black youth in the late 70’s early 80’s …. Mic dropped…. Not an opinion… lived it ..!! How far we have fallen
Black Americans created every element of hip hop black Americans created almost every genre but we need help with hip hop? stop it. Wouldn’t be no hip hop w/o all our other genres black Americans all day everyday we are the culture, creators, influence, trendsetters Nothing about black American culture is Hispanic I mean nothing they trying to take our culture but didn’t think we would push like this stay on they helmets and don’t let UP✊🏾🇺🇸✊🏾🇺🇸✊🏾
Exactly,,blacks are known for getting our music,,fashion,,lingo,,slang,,and culture copied from others,,but I've never heard of anyone copying latino anything...😂....In fact,,Hip hop is no different,,puerto ricans copied black Americans when hip hop first came out,,the same way we see Europeans,,asians,,arabs,,and Hispanics copying us today...🙄....
A lady on Lord J podcast stated the obvious, lets do a Jamaican genre from its early beginning, Puerto Rican genre from its early beginning, Black Americans genre from its early beginning and measure all their roots up until not and see where all this creativity forms into Hip Hop!! Black Americans genres are funk, gospel, r&b, bebop, jazz, blues, etc.....black Americans listen to their grandparents and parents 45's and the black youth created Hip Hop in its inception!!! Even Lord J talks about various dancing in Hip Hop Breakdancing is just 5% of all the Hip Hop dancing, Smurf, Pee Wee Herman, Wop etc....Theirs Nuance to this subject. We see no Early vocals from Jamaican Patois or Latin hispanic language in early hip hop????
Black Americans are the root and soul of American culture. In fact the first truly American artforms were Black American. The white people brought their European culture over, the Natives had theirs. Being that Black folks were stripped of their Africanness (and were all mixed up ethnically) they had to create a new things. Things never done before that inspired EVERYONE! The reason you have bluegrass and country is because of BLACK people and any other White American music genre. I have a book on American pottery, the very first chapter is dedicated to pottery made by enslaved Africans because that is the root. Blackness is ALWAYS the root. That’s nature’s way
@@shaspearman8647 Sounds good, but thats only in sport and entertainment. Running around arenas holding various pieces of leather and starring in movies is not culture. The modern black culture destroyed not only innovation and the love of knowledge, but also the respect for great blacks of the past. Some say that young blax have lost respect for respect itself. When your heroes of the day are still saying "DAS A BIG AHZ WORDD!". FBA is not in good shape.
@@S.O.T.SMEDIAthe first BBoys were not Puerto Ricans.. DJing n Burning or Breaking was the beginning of this genre!!! .At first Kool Herc was a tagger in 1971-1972.. Flash was a Bboy in 1973:75.. this is what they said in their words .. so they have
"Black Culture" doesn't equal "Hip Hop Culture". If it did, then there was no Black Culture until rap came along. Hip Hop culture is simply ONE aspect or element of the overall Black American experience.. or what some call "Black Culture". What that said, Puerto Ricans or anyone else could adopt Black Culture (or the convenient aspects of it) , and then contribute to creating or molding Hip Hop culture.. theoretically speaking.
Nah, once created they can contribute and participate, which they did. They want to be at the CREATION and 50/50 at that. That is a clear cultural historical era.
@@757CitiesReppa I dont think Puerto Ricans as a whole claim 50/50, they just say they were there. Whoever said 50/50 is trippin, I think even 95+% of Boricuas would agree.
@@MentalPistol no disrespect, this sht don’t come from nowhere. This has been the campaign of “Dr. Colon” and various others. Nobody was ever trippin about PRs, or disrespecting, or anything else. It has nothing to do with feelings or friendships or anything other than accurate HISTORICAL facts and certain individuals problems with those facts. Words are important. And since people have been dumbed down, they act like they don’t seem to understand them anymore so they get all emotional and arguing various different things.
My elders 40 years ago before this movie or debate started about hiphop , the debate was about our other genres being colonized, they educated us about how our ingenuity first belong to your intermediate family then our outer lineage. They were there ,they were right, and so is lord jamar . I like the new movement because everyone gatekeeps their ish , we should sustain our culture as well. We can unite with riders from other lineages. But we have to get out of the mindset of being scared to accurately state the truth. And another thing, it doesn't matter how dark another person is , if their mind is operating off of and has accepted the intrusion of W. Supremacy, then that is not your ally. Remember Othello , his right hand man dismantled his entire house simply by pretending.
Me being latino growing up in the 90s, i agree with lord jamar. Basically all latinos with immigrant family basically had 2 cultures, their latino culture at home and the american hiphop culture when you out of the house. old schooll latinos dont fuck with american culture. I call hip hop a part of american culture. it was in the developing stages in the 70-90s and now its all over america and when you see and hear anything hip hop you already know its from america. Problem is that people dont see it that way cause they cannot see it from an outside perspective... honestly who gives a fuck what color person created it, its the only Made in the USA thing thats left.
Why Geechee James Brown the Most Sampled ... And Why Geechee Elsworth "Bumpy" Johnson THE MOST RESPECTED? That Ain't By Accident. Lord Jamar is 💯% CORRECT. Our Pain Built The Culture. It's NO DISRESPECT TO NO OTHER CULTURE ... But NO ONE Can Stop Us From Telling The TRUTH And CLAIMING What WE MADE.
Look at the 1969 crowd at Summer of Soul in Harlem, 99% black. But on the stage was..... Mongo Santamaria. Take a look at Soul Train in early 70s. Whos in the crowd and dancing at the time? It seems its just black people. I draw no conclusions, I just say what I see.
Great topic Rock I agree with both Chris and Lord J. There were some barriers though when We were growing up in the late 70’s and early 80’s. Old school Caribbean culture didn’t really accepted Hip-Hop music, but the influence was so powerful, it became one of the greatest cultural traditions of all times
Puerto Ricans sorry you cannot have one of our successful genres. Hip hop is ours .Like many other contributions to the world . Not just the usa .But the world 🌎 ♥️
I think people define Hip Hop differently. That’s the problem. Krs is saying Hip Hop is not just rapping. Hip Hop is breaking , djing and graffiti art as well. Puerto Ricans were heavy in the breaking aspect, blacks in the rapping, Jamaicans in the djing and sound system aspect. This is why people are so divided. They seeing Hip Hop as mainly rap today. How many people know who Crazy legs is or Mr. Wave? The pioneers are still here. Do your homework.
Black people started b-boying, but the Ricans took it to the floor. Ricans kept b-boying alive for years after blacks had moved on. Its significant. Rock Steady deserve love.
Noones taking anything away, some “Latinos” just have a problem understanding the difference between create versus participate. Much respect to Rock Steady though, of course.
Hip hop started in the Bronx in the 1970s with strong roots in the African American community, but it's a global culture. It's been influenced and enriched by African, Caribbean, Latino, Asian, and even white American contributions. Hip hop transcends race and origin, becoming a universal medium for artistic and social expression.
@@bigrobfromthegrouphome..8110 graffiti had they own culture before it became a sub culture in #HipHop and B-boys, again. Americans , majority " black " Now if you can find DJ John Brown, who has the original B-boys in his pocket , or Cholly Rock, Trixie, N__ Twins, Salsa if Latino were with them, cool. But I bet , they look " black " 🤷🏾♂️💯 That's the point. When you say Latino ,you know the world thinks of Charlie Chase,Crazy Legs, Ruby Dee, Tito who all came under Herc. Now Whipper Whip , if they looked like him. I get it. I didn't know he was boriqua until recent. On my mama 🤷🏾♂️💯
@@omardavis1622 I’m witchu on that fam…but we cannot forget breakdancing as well..we are talking about hip hop, not rapping l..and I think that’s where things are being misconstrued…
@@bigrobfromthegrouphome..8110 definitely. Most of us only know it as rap, but am sure me and you , and those like us. Live the culture. We been to jams, we dance, love to look fly, we love women that's element ppl tend to forget , on why it was jam period ‼️ We spoke the lingo, and we love, support , and partook into whatever brought us in. Me , it was art, but I learned kung Fu was apart of the culture in the early stages. The kids of that time, was heavy into it. Make sense on why Wu is one of our icons in #HipHop
First of all, hip-hop itself is a counter-culture. I grew up in the bx in the 70s and our parents/older generation didn’t want us playing rap music in the house. It was barely even on the radio-had to listen to it on AM stations or after dark. Saying that Caribbean and latino parents didn’t embrace hip-hop during its inception is disingenuous because even so-called fba kid’s parents didn’t embrace it at first. They called it noise. It was always a way for the youth to express themselves. To say that although there were latino and Caribbean kids participating in the culture, but their participation doesn’t count because their parents didn’t embrace this new counter-culture is the definition of moving the goal post. The fact remains, and I was there, that Caribbeans and latinos were there from the start contributing to hip-hop culture. Peace.
Respectfully, In the beginning of HipHop the music they were scratching was the breaks of older Black music. The elders didn’t dislike the music they hated the fact the kids were scratching it up and not playing the entire record at once. The other cultures didn’t like the fact their younger family members were even hanging around Black American youth. That’s the difference. The Culture already existed before others began contributing to it. That’s all Black Americans are saying. Peace.
@@BlackTalonBeatsNo No No. You not from NY. Only place parents were complaining about record scratching (which you stereotyping) was NY. Black America nation wide were clueless about block parties, dijing, break dancing. When you saw Beat Street in 1983 then Black America caught on. In NY, as a kid I was forced to get up at 1Am to 2am to hear rap songs on radio. Rap music was essentially banned from morning radio rotation even black radio stations, Rap music was so much underground and despised by older black people
But if we define hip hop by the 4 elements, Rapping, DJ, graffiti, and breakdancing, then yes Puerto Ricans helped in the creations. All those Rican BBoys, graffiti artists, and djs put in work to bring hip hop where it is today. Now the rap element that's mostly black, but hip hop as a whole, we gotta give them credit for the movement.
I grew up in the 70s and 80s,,and 99.99 percent of all rappers for the first 15 years of hip hop was black Americans...NEED I SAY MORE 🙄....In fact just for the record,,out of hundreds upon hundreds of black American rappers that I remember from 1973 to 1988,,I only remember 1 or 2 Puerto rican rappers that came out years after hip hop was already created by black Americans,,in which means they copied our style like everyone else does...🙄
Who was they DJs who was producing the nusic w all the equipment cuz they were selling that cocoa who was break dancing on the floors and popping who was carrying spray cans around writing on walls getting locked up for the CULTURE a whole lotta Latinos ...most of them Domincans look blacker than you w Afros
Puerto Ricans had a major part in hip hop and there’s proof watch this Documentary called ( RUBBLE KINGS ) 👑 that’s the proof ya need right there Pointblank … VIVA Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 … At the end of the day Puerto Rican R from black descent so we are the same people
✌️✌️✌️✌️ I agree with you and I'm Puerto Rican. And I'm from.brooklyn. But when I was growing up, and I'm younger, that division didn't exist thank God cause it's stupid. A lot of us look alike.
How is this even still a debate? all you gotta do is look up "The Jubalaires" arguement over problem is...most ppl have been conditioned to forget about these things...point is no Carribeans or Latinos was rapping in the 40's...but WE were.
Rap ain’t the only element of hip-hop. Black people have been speaking in rhyme for centuries. It’s always been a part of our oral tradition from Africa, to the Caribbean, to North America.
I'm glad I'm from the SOUTH brother's from the EAST And WEST coast yall the blame for what's going on right now and probably the reason why black folks can't never come together from coast to coast always caking for people that looks nothing like you
My southern FBA family don't have other races to compete with barely at all so yall can't speak much on a dynamic you have no experience with. Also if you havnt noticed southern racist whites piggy backed on yall wave to the top as well with little regulation. I know West Coast FBA's can't regulate on the Mexicans like they need to also but I understand cuz I can relate to being an outnumbered FBA. The South is FBA headquarters. I see my brothers in Chicago fighting against the outside pressure also, and I dont judge I just support my FBA's reestablishing our culture. The FBA South has brought a good share of well needed straightening to the culture I agree, but the FBA South still has plenty work to do too. So lead if it's really your time but never again should we be off code as an FBA nation.
Thanks Skeltah. There was a drumroll for a minute. I was holding my breath bro. I didn't know what you were going to say homie. You stood in the pocket.
Dude who is one of the first guys who came up with hip hop said in an interview that he got the beats from Puerto Rican music ! He said that they would speed it up or slow it down. Then they started adding a little to it.
We as black people also need to pay attention about the time they are saying this .Why is this conservation coming up now about Puerto Ricans in hip hop? I smell yt supremacy behind all of this
@@lamelprince9278 nah, we settin the record straight while the originators are still around saying it out of their own mouths…this type thing happens throughout time
Fam thank u. I agree with lord jsmar and all the facts i do. But wtf is is comong up now..why we beefing now. This coulda happened like 20 years ago. Sure i get upset we are not recognized more for what we create and they always steal our stuff so i get the frustrations. But now we beefin with ppl tht actually respect us. Like i said in my comment up top out here in az and when i went to nc even ny younger BLACK kids do not care about wht any old head thinks. They nt csre about the history. Dont care about who started it. They only care about their time. Its sad. I say tht to say to me tht is worst than a pr tht wants to be apart of it. Pun, Busta, Eminem even all pay homage and respect the history so i should diss them now just cause they not black americans and side with some of my ppl tht do not care at all and look at me and all of us as old and dnt wnt to hesr anything we say?!?! Help it make sense.
KRS grew up on the same block as Kool Herc he was there from the start as a little kid. Puerto Ricans made a huge contribution to graffiti and breaking. Lee, Crazy Legs, seen and all them. Krs is thinking about all the elements not just rap which is what Lord Jamar be sayin.
Where do yall get this shit from??? KRS did not grow up on the same block as Herc! KRS is from Brooklyn! He was not there from the start! Even Puerto Rican breakdancers Batch, Aby, Wiggles, Bom5 and Crazy Legs have said that they saw Black Americans breakdancing first!!
@DipherOneCICrew KRS is from Brooklyn. He moved from Brooklyn to Harlem. He lived in The Bronx for one year, and that was not in the beginning of Hip Hop. He was living in a shelter when he met Scott La Rock. I don't need to read any book. I was actually there at the beginning of Hip Hop. Regardless of what you and others read or was told, KRS was not a part of the beginning of Hip Hop!
I would argue that early hip hop was a reflection of New York City culture which was racially and culturally diverse in a way not reflected in Lord Jamal's (respect to New Rochelle) position. Of the 4 core elements of hip hop culture that KRS-One always speaks of (Emceeing, DJing, Breakdancing, & Graffiti), Puerto Ricans were definitely there from the start and influential in their own way.
Wait...wait, Hip Hip Black hood culture created in NY period. It had nothing to do with Latin culture whatsoever. Latininos partipated. But zero to do with the creation. And that's ok...they innovated different dance moves etc. But they had nothing to do with creating Hip hip. We took disco music and jazz and funk and created Hip hop. Latinos where apart of these genres whatsoever. So can we please stop this stop debate. It's really dumb!!!
@leftlanehiphop6259 The Bronx was Black and Latino and still is. It wasn't all black American it isn't Mississippi. Latinos from New York were involved in Hip Hop BEFORE black Americans from the South from before it began. In the 1960s the Puerto Ricans had the Civil rights group called the Young Lords. Then it went to the gangs with the vest in the 70s and then it went to Hip Hop and Puerto Ricans were involved in all of those eras.
Creating: - Means to bring something into existence, often from scratch - Implies originating, inventing, or founding something new - Typically involves generating an initial idea, concept, or work Contributing: - Means to add to or enhance something already existing - Implies supporting, augmenting, or improving an existing effort or work - Typically involves building upon someone else's foundation or idea.
Puerto Ricans were dancers and graffiti artists from the start of hip-hop. So how were they not a part of the creation of hip-hop? We all assimilated to a certain extent, "whites", Caribbean and Latino's. But you still brought a piece of you into this new collective called hip-hop, a form of expression. Which in actuality is still growing and changing with the new participants that have entered into the fold.
No, you are wrong. The black america stopped dancing, and the Puerto rican was dancing in a subway for change. And The crazy writing story in philly. Go watch the microphone and check.The gentleman is still alive. You all just be lying. And let be clear. Black Folks welcome everyone. You people came over. I've been Disrespectful, we're gonna start checking you all till about twenty twenty five years later.
@bowlerfamily AT the end of the day, that's in young mine. Just like my family said. P.R.in the 70S didn't even deal with, so call BLACK PEOPLE. YOI PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THE Culture was created. AND BLACK PEOPLE NEVER HAS A PROBLEM WITH ANYONE . OTHERS PEOPLE ALWATS HAD A PROBLEM WITH US. AND MOST OF YOY STILL DO. AND BUY NOT ABLE TO ADMIT AND TELL THE TRUTH SPEAKS VOLUMES . ASK YOURSELF WHY IS ALL THOSE Is Pioneer in the Mater's Mother phone check. WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. SAYING THE SAME THINGS??? AND IF YOY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. WE ALWAYS KEEP SHIT 100%. QUESTION??? WHY HAVE NO ONE CAME OUT AND SAID THE THOSE BLACK Pioneer and microphone check movies were lying. AND WHAT FUNNY IS EVERYONE WHO KNOW US. WE NEED COPIES SHIT. WE ALWAYS GIVE SHIT ALWAYS AND PEOPLE IN. BUT, NO ONE WELCOME BLACK PEOPLE. AND THAT'S FIND. BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO DO NEW SHIT EVERYTIME. We gave away country music, gave away rock, and rolled. AND EVERY TIME QE DO THAT. Another group come along and climb it as their own. I MEAN EVERY DAMN TIME. JUST CHECK THE HISTORY. AMAZING HOW YOU DONT LIKE A PEOPLE. BUT YOU HELP. IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND, it is James Brown and the R and B flow. You can't create a damn thing. And these 5 elements B.S. you go with it. But, you still didn't do it. GO AND WATCH Michael Chow microphone, share documentary and watch the history even way back.1920 again, come talk to me with your lies.In some point if people need to stop lying and being evil cause no good in
As someone who is both black and PR you are right. A majority our PR og's are extremely racist. Even some who ran with black people back in the day have gave in and became racist today💯
Agreed. As Black Americans, we built this. No question. KRS’ only point was that young Puerto Ricans, before any other nation or group of people, CONTRIBUTED significantly to Hip-Hop (rap, scratch, breaking and graffiti). That was his only point. Lord Jamar attacked a point that KRS never illustrated in the first place. So while they are both correct, Lord J is wrong on his interpretation of the Blastmaster’s statement.
Yeah but KRS also said HipHop would not exist without Latinos. That is ridiculous and false. The culture was already a thing before they helped push it forward. That phrase and idea had to be corrected.
@@BlackTalonBeats Those were his exact words and he should certainly clarify his statement. But what I gathered from it was only an emphasis on the fact that Hip-Hop would not exist as we recognize it today were it not for their contributions and influence on the culture. That is all. We would be imbecilic to believe for a second that KRS is suggesting that Puerto Ricans invented Hip-Hop. He’s not denying that the culture stemmed from us and that it would have existed with or without any other group, including Puerto Ricans. He’s only stating that it would not exist as we recognize it today because the “flavor” that they introduced to it was so significant and permanently embedded.
@@a.v.julian9917 I hear you. But I have to take the Teacha words literally. I’m not playing the “what he meant” game. If he comes out and corrects it, I’ll accept his clarification. Until then I applaud LJ for challenging what KRS said. All of the 50/50 creation people took it literally as well. They’re using it for ammunition.
@@BlackTalonBeats I agree 100%! His phrasing was unfortunate and it BEGS like hell to question whether he intended that statement literally or not. You know what, fuck it, you’re right. We need to hear it from him. Historically and presently has too much credit been stripped from us. It would be a godforsaken shame for one of us, especially as iconic as KRS, to strip it from ourselves.
The bottom line: they both have valid points. KRS is right about this though: Jamaicans, Haitians and Puerto Ricans was there. Case in point: Heavy D, A 🐐 EMCEE, is Jamaican. Kangol Kid, Herby Luv Bug as well as later on Wyclef and Pras are all Haitian. Prince Markie Dee is Puerto Rican. Heavy D & Prince Markie Dee let it be known their lineage. The others didn’t though. They were looked at as Black Americans. Closed Mouths don’t get fed. Kid Frost and Mellow Man Ace are Hispanic. We knew this from jump. Jamar is also right though, the majority adapted to being Black American because they couldn’t rock with their slang and language in Hip Hop in the early days like they do now. They had no choice. Mentioning Break Dancing is one thing because it was a mixture of cultures but we as Black Americans moved on from that in the mid 80’s. The Wop, Cabbage Patch, PeeWee Herman, Running Man and everything else in between was rocking. It’s crazy how I didn’t see many Puerto Ricans and the like doing those dances.
@@curtis75black you know who confirmed it for me. My mom. Born 1960... 14 going on 15 in 1975 #SouthBronx #Motthaven so she was the first generation when they called #HipHop the #Jam
@Curtis why are you bringing up 1980s.. we are focused on 1972-73.. They all played Disco in the early 1970s at Jams... And the 1st Grandmaster GM Flowers was opening for James Brown circa 1969 and Disco King Mario in 1972-73 predates in BX and had the first Solo MC Chief Rocka Busy Bee in 1973-74...
@@williamdavis8855 That’s why I’m bringing up the 80’s. The early 70’s was still a Disco sound and feel to it…to some degree. Hip Hop on a grand scale didn’t come into its own until then. Me being born in 75, I learned the early music through my father who djayed. Plus being born in The Bronx, I witnessed the development. If you’re committed, you find out about all of your favorites and whom they really are.
They contributed a lot more on the graffiti and break dancing side of the house, imo. They helped with some innovations here and there, but that was the wonder of hip hop back then, anyone could contribute... you just couldn't be a sucker, duck or punk... And Jamaican dance hall had a huuuuge influence. Hip hop itself broke down a lot of the remaining division that white American culture created with their systems of colorism. Eventually, the young PR cats realized they had more in common with us and Jamaicans than anyone else. I had family I would visit in the projects across the street from Edenwald, and there were a lot of PR's living in around the Edenwald projects and especially the South Bronx... That's where KRS-1 is coming from. Jamar wasn't there back then, in '77, '78, when the block parties and dj/mc battles were happening in the parks. He was still a young buck up in New Ro'. I know, I ran with him for a while before he even became Lord Jamar. Don't get me wrong, that's my dude, but KRS has more real-life perspective and knowledge on the roots of hip hop.
Rockness, I’m Puerto Rican (NewYorican) & at 44 y/o I’m not old enough to have been around at the start of Hip Hop. This video is the most respectful breakdown re: this topic that I’ve heard from either side of it. 🫡✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼
@@3000spills the break beats were already there. How did Hercules create a James Brown break beat??? Crazy legs believe it or not said Hercules didn't do anything technically amazing. He was no real DJ.. coke La Rock, Timmy Tim, Clark Kent did most of the music. Hercules was at the door mixing it up with females
The drums in Puerto Rican music comes from our African Ancestors so it's no surprise that we would love and contribute to hip hop. We are also together in the same neighborhoods, so the lyrics always resonate. I am Puerto Rican and I couldn't go into my friend's house because of my beautiful brown complexion! Sadly, colorism spread through the island during my parents generation and that idea remained even when Puerto Ricans migrated to the US. Thanks for sharing your story Rock!
I feel like Puerto Ricans definitely helped influence it. Break Dancing was created through Hip Hop and it was Puerto Ricans that were some of the best Break Dancer's and most influential during the late 70's and early to mid 80's.
@@will_cashgrow2294 Marco De Santiago and Aldofo "Shabba Doo" Quiones are Puerto Rican and they made frequent appearances on Soul Train amongst other Puerto Ricans. It's fair to say that Puerto Ricans were right there in the mix of it all when Hip Hop began. Puerto Ricans are musical and soulful people, so it was only naturally that they would graft in. Even a few Mexicans like Bruno "Pop N Taco" Falcon reached celebrity status through Hip Hop and break dancing. For the record, music doesn't discriminate, only people with narrow minds do.
@@TruthHurtzButHealz Shabba Doo was from Chicago - Cabrini Greens. His father was Puerto Rican, his mother was African American, and he identified himself as a Black man.
Even ex governor jesse ventura said black Americans created all genres of music in United States,
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So what dancing singing and jumping? No one denied that.
Hip hop ain't music...that's the problem with this conversation!
@@fpvsmurfHip Hop would have died in the late 70s or early 80s without rapping. It would have remained nothing more than parties and never developed into a genre of music. Every element of Hip Hop comes from black Americans anyway.
Jesse Ventura said to throw yourself inside a trash can too
Black People, from America, are too nice and inviting. Bottom line. The only people on the planet that consistently "invite" others to the "cookout".
Agreed
@@smokescythe8880 Where's this cookout at?
@@smokescythe8880 Yes, it's high time we stopped doing that. And that goes especially for those who look like us. They are the ones who get close enough to perpetrate a Judas move.
@@randee4550 Not on a tiny third world Island.
You lost respect. They started raiding the cookout in the 2000s. At this point, dont need your permission to eat your food and leave with the cooler.
Matter of fact you could say that the BBQ is in their backyard at this point.
Think about it black americans needed or waited for puerto ricans and jamaicans to show us how to play black music rhyme over it in our slang. Hip hop was created out of exclusion and separation from main stream society. Pain and disrespect by the majority of the country lack of opportunities. Make it make sense. Puerto Ricans parents and jamaicans parents did not like them mixing with us or dating period . They cannot rewrite history I was there.
Where were the Puerto Ricans during the civil rights movement ???No where to be found
@@lamelprince9278- Woooooow. Bro. That‘s like the stupidest thing on the internet you wrote there.
Reeeeeeespekkkkked!
True. Mexicans have been building lowriders on air suspensions since 1930s. Jamaicans and their boomboxes showed people in NY how to bring sound systems.
Vatos in Los Angeles have been blasting ICE-T since 87.
Puerto Ricans went to Wu-Tang-Clan concerts from beginning.
The hatred is unreal. Man we are all God‘s children and therefore brothers and sisters.
Stop this conversation.
@@lamelprince9278 facts 😂
@@michaelmeyers4950 Just answer the question our music comes from the black american experience.
Some People in the comments seem confused,,the question is who created hip hop,,not what races joined into the hip hop culture after black Americans created it..............U get it 🙄
you are confused, there is only one race! the human race.
For REAL. The LACK of UNDERSTANDING is RIDICULOUS !
THANK YOU!!! It's like, these people don't understand the difference.
It went from Jungle bunny music to 50/50....
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That Part.
Facts. They Latinos they wishy washy
All the music we made they called jungle bunny music 😂😂😂. When it doesnt die they call it American music. Funny how that works
Did all Puerto Ricans call Black Music Jungle music
Puerto Ricans was witness on the birth of the culture call Hip Hop and I can say we were the first students to a black culture back in early '70s..
Respect your honestly
@@bennyolivares8259 who taught us? What You're saying is that there was a 'Black" Hip-Hop happening. No such thing ever happened.
If we're students name the teachers
@@randee4550 Teachers Easy_ James Brown, Parliament Funkadelic. Roy Ayers, George Washington Jr. Theloniuos Monk, Gap Band, Kool and The Gang Band, Rick James, Maze, Jacksons, Soul Music
@@hardworkplayerzincPGE777 NONE of that shit is Hip-Hop. However all of them incorporated Latin rhythms.
@@randee4550 You really need to stop. You ever heard Brand Nubian and the Sunshine Sample ? If you don't know about this song and the sample , please stop
The Pun line is “I’m the first Latin rapper to baffle ya skull
Master the flow niggas be swearing I’m blacker than coal (Cole) like Nat King”
RIP Big Dawg the Punisher
Light skin one because the dark✊🏾Skin ones yall overlooked🤣
Who the dark skin ones .?
The great Nat King Cole
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@@l.ahlgren7752Julelz is American not PR
The problem I have with Krs1 is when he said Hip Hop wouldn't exist without Puerto Ricans is CAP!!!
EXACTLY!!!!!! That Part 🙄😒
The biggest lie told in hip hop history we never needed Puerto Ricans when it came to black music
Facts
Yeah he was smoking some good good when he said that lie,very agent like
Also, black Americans were already living within the elements of hip hop. Each element of hip hop we were already living within and being active. All you have to do is let the music play from that Time, because the music will speak for itself.
From early rap, to boom bap, to gangsta, to crunk, to pimp ish, to backpack, to drill - ALL forms were BLACK influenced!!! If PRs invented it too - how come we don’t see any influence in the transformation thru out the 50 or more years of Rap/Hip Hop! Lord Jamar is right with his receipts! 💯
Shoutout to Tariq Nasheed & his documentary Microphone Check that brilliantly breaks down the history with ALL the original creators of Hip Hop who are STILL alive by the way!!! 🫡
Jamar is a broke hater nowadays tbh. Homie is washed up and was never that good.
@@bangmateo7481 3:03
No disrespect intended brother! But I GUARANTEE Lord Jamar is more financially stable, & more accomplished in life than you are! Didn’t mean to ruin your Friday night - just being respectfully REAL thou! 😂 😜 🤣
@@emoneybagz8629 Naaa he is not more stable than me at all. I dont ask for donations nor be relaying on YT money. Im good I have my own business and flip homes with my cousins. I bought my home without a loan.
@@bangmateo7481 , HOW is LORD JAMAR WASHED UP when BRAND NUBIAN IS STILL DOING SHOWS ALL OVER? EXPLAIN THAT ! ARTISTS THAT ARE STILL IN HIGH DEMAND ARE NOT WASHED UP !
my brother hiphop isnt just rap. its dj;ing ,breaking,graphing etc.. cubans and puerto ricans def helped build hiphop.
The longer we debate about this the more disrespected I feel as an FBA 😡
Me too 😒😡
Thought it was just me
B1
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Fba ? Yall do nothing ninjas follow anything.
Should feel more disrespected by how hip hop turned out.
Lord Jamar kept it 💯 Hip hop is derived from the cultural art forms and styles of Black Americans end of story. Hip hop has James Browns name all over it. There would be no hip hop if it wasn't for James Brown in particular Soul and Funk.
This is my point What exactly can Puerto Ricans show that came from their culture to help to influence hip hop. They cannot do it
@@lamelprince9278 Young black kids stole what you are speaking of from the disco era. They didn't create that shit. People was doing that before hip hop.
They were sampling music and rappping in the West Indies before they were in America. Specifically in Jamaica, Just because they were using American records doesn't mean they didn't copied the idea from another culture that was doing it before them. It's well documented if you want to do some research.
@@Lerf8 NO NONO they didnt STEAL anything they listened to the music that their parents listened to and sampled it >R&B funk jazz the blues all comes the black american experience
All liars ...Cubans Dominicans Puerto Rico Only NYC blacks created hip hop...but Jews Italians Panamanian white boys were also there ....hip hop is NYC culture .hip hop was put on map by NYC . Rap music is sampledu msic from alli music. including European .. now black outside NYC are shocked by this ..blacks outside NYC from Crenshaw to Atlanta to Chicago to Mali to Congo to zimbabwe to LA had no clue on birth of hip hop till NYC shared it .stop lies I was there. Bronx created zero NYC created hip hop 1979 ford apache Bronx. No hip hop in that movie .Jefferson Sam ford son. No hip hop in it all 1070s black movies zero hip hop. Proof is in ya face black music no town jazz. Billie Dee William Diana Ross. Behaving pimp is not hip hop stop it
Folks not knowing this was a debate is big part of the problem!!! I'm in my 60's and Lord Jamar is one thousand percent correct. Microphone Check is correct! I lived through James Brown singing "I'm Black and I'm Proud." I remember Aretha Franklin singing "Young Gifted and Black." It is a shame that Black folks from my generation and older did not explain to the younger generations that Black Immigrants (Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, etc.) did not rock with Black Americans in the 60s and early 70s. We were "Yankees" (Yanks) and "Morenos." There were street gangs that would fight among each other as well if we just tried to hang out together or tried to rap to their women. It wasn't until the mid-70s after the Blacksploitation flicks (e.g., Superfly, Shaft, etc.) Black celebrities (Muhamed Ali), and television shows (Soul Train, Flip Wilson show, etc.), that other groups started to think Black folks were cool and wanted to hang with us in a real way despite what their family members said. Black American culture already had the music, rappin, djing, dancing, graffiti, etc. before other groups were allowed to join in. Yes, Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans helped tremendously to evolve the Hip Hop culture over the years. They helped to keep it fresh and exciting for decades. Slick Rick, Flash, Herc, Chase, Crazy Legs, Big Pun, Notorious Big, Heavy D., etc. are all legends and deserve the utmost respect. But Black Americans created Hip Hop just like we created Rock & Roll, Ragtime, Jazz, Gospel, Country, House, Techno, etc.! It is now up to the younger generations to protect Black American intellectual property going forward. We have a culture, we are American, and we aren't a lost tribe of 50+ million Africans just wandering around America. F$&K that SH%T!
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Well said OG🫡💯
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Peace Rock ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻 Hip Hop Music & Culture holds such a deep meaning within’ my lifestyle, Emcee’s/Teachers such as KRS & Rakim are GOD’s within’ the Culture, i view them in high regard, and there bars are the Gospel to me….but “To Each is Own” in respect to others, thanks for covering this between Jamar and Kris 💯👊🙏✌🏻
I'm Puerto Rican. And the origins of hiphop did not include Ricans lol. We didn't come along until after 1975. We might of been there in the beginning. But we ain't start shit before 1975.
Peace. I appreciate your honesty and I THANK YOU FOR THAT!! I'm Foundational Black American but I have a younger brother and sister who are half Puerto Rican ( I have the same father as them but different mother ) and I will die and kill for them. But as much as much as I love my little brother and sister the truth must be revealed and as a 51 year old Hip Hop Head I feel obligated to help defend that truth. Peace to you bro.
@@damonclark5742 Peace to him for honesty but cats who scream FBA gotta learn to be honest too and stop playing so pristine and innocent all the time. Real talk.
But if you were creating hip hop before it really jumped off then you helped create it
Exactly! Your a “Porto Rican” not a Boricua🇵🇷 and the Father of Black History in Harlem was a Boricua🇵🇷 by the name of Arturo Alfonso Schomberg and I suggest you visit the library 📚 across the street from Harlem Hospital which is named after Arturo Alfonso Schomberg.
Y’all Porto Rican know nothing about the Boricua🇵🇷 history in Harlem World✊🏾❤️🖤💚💯
@@smithblack10050 plus years is a long time to evolve. Non Unity is not Hip Hop. We supposed to be coming together and improving our conditions as a Culture TOGETHER
✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿 Lord definitely broke it down the way it needed to be broke...
@@smooveblackbeast He's full of shit
As a 47 yr old Puerto Rican, Hip Hop has ALWAYS been in my heart! Whether or not PR had anything to do with the creation of Hip Hop, it is a blessing to be allowed to be apart of the Hip Hop culture! I have no debate on this topic, like you said you weren't there and neither was I! I was the Puerto Rican kid with all Black friends, they were always aloud in my house and vise versa! I know what you mean, I did know PR like that, my fam did not rock like that, we were humble living in the project(Shout out to Charter Oak Terrace)coexisting as one!💯
That’s peace
I'm a 54 yr. old former project dweller (Shout to Bushwick Houses). Brooklyn born and raised. I get what your saying and God bless your fam for being so progressive, but this is Hip Hop history which also means it's New York history. They're speaking from that perspective which is spot on. In school was cool. You wasn't going in the crib though......No Morenos allowed.....lol.
Hip Hop deaded all that.
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The FIRST Puerto Rican MC’s themselves said they didn’t get involved until years after Hip-Hop was created
Cause he only knew that he thought he was the first one when there were other PuertoRicans before he came around in the game
@@Loco-melaza they said what they said. What are you talking about 😂
✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿Peace to KRS-1, but I will have to side with Lord Jamar on this topic!
And I love my Hispanic brothers and sisters unconditionally 💓 💗 💕 ❤️ 💛 💖!
I feel that Foundational Black Americans feel like every time they create something, others want to come in, be a part of it, and then somehow others end up getting much of the credit! We have contributed a lot to society as well, and we must have the initial say and direction of how our culture is directed! I feel like the battle between Kendrick Lamar and Drake was so important because we really need to crack down on people looking to exploit something we made!
FACTS!!!
fuck yall....you dissed africans and west indians and now want sympathy
How you think being there means you created something? Picking up what we put down means you created something?
Pun openly admitted to kissing Kool G Rap ring when he met him. He thanked FBA for accepting boricua in the culture. He knew he was a guest. You can find the footage.
We have too much history with creating styles and rhythms in America. Them thinking they co-created Hip Hop is mad disrespectful.
We ain't never needed help creating trendy shit. Thats our history! They copy us. We don't copy anybody, son. Peace.
Us? When have you created anything? Taking credit someone else work.
Yes you do copy others and steal from other cultures especially the fashion part wearing baseball caps, jerseys, nikes and adidas like it's yours. Look at the wu tang clan stole their names and sound from kung fu flicks.
Yeah but wu tang was an original idea tho right?
@@bxneco3949 , US IS RIGHT ! US BLACK AMERICANS, ALL DAY, AND ALL NIGHT.
That's Dream Shatter. Its on the 1st verse.
Pure 🔥
Puerto Ricans were the B Boys and graffiti artists
@ceades75 yes they was
Lord jamar is speaking FACTSSS
I agree. But it makes people uncomfortable. Look at most of the music in America. We created solo bolo. Bit to say they didn’t participate. But that’s not the same thing as create. We need to stop being so accepting because of people’s feelings
@@caliclassicstv2024 Your right, Participate is different than invented. But why We can't even recognize participants. I think Crazy Legs was Important. I think Mad Lion was Important, SuperKat, Daddy Freddie. Many others.
@@hardworkplayerzincPGE777 they are already recognized historically He is only making a distinction between the two because we are always rewrote or downplayed out of the actually history and creation of everything Shit look at rock and rock if you ask folks right now who actually created they will swear white folks did.
Whether you Created it or Decorated it, i truly believe the importance lays within’ the preservation, the creativity and/or innovation and continue the teachings and message that Hip Hop Music & Culture provides, striving to strengthen it, and continuing to push it forward, especially in todays world and societies 💯🙏✌🏻
He is from New Rochelle, wtf he knows about the Bronx culture he outsider, he grew up in the burbs
It's like white people and Rock & Roll....Elvis took Rock & Roll to another level, but he emulated Black performers. Black Americans created it. They spoke no Spanish, they rhymed in Ebonics. In Reggaeton, no one raps in Ebonics. The foundation bof Hip Hop is Funk Break Breaks & Ebonics. Why would Puerto Ricans in the 1970s create an art form based on that???
I'm from Cali. I love hearing the perspective of a New Yorker because they actually grew up in the MECCA.
Cause hip-hop is New York culture not black culture. There is no culture subjected the one race.
The crazy part is that the ones claiming Puerto Ricans weren’t there are not even from the Bronx. 😂
No, you're wrong. That's not what he's saying. Lord Jamar said the creation of Hip-hop started from black people. Puerto Rican Latinos help move the culture yes.
If you're a black American and feel like you have to be from the Bronx to claim cultural ownership over Hip Hop and to speak on it's origins then you are lost. All this NYC worship over Hip Hop got to stop, esp when the roots of it come from other parts of black America and literally would not exist without it, and especially with the city becoming more immigrant infested.
I'm from NY stay in cali
Listen to me ,If black people were'nt in NY there would be NO hip hop ,But if Puerto Ricans were not in NY ,black people would still have been suceesful with hip hop,So let's stop with the bullshit
Now that actually does make sense BUT they were there
@@aliglo333 IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER PUERTO RICANS WHERE THERE OR NOT
@@lamelprince9278but they were. That's called history. Try to erase all you want
That's not what the question was. The question was did PRs contribute to pioneering hip hop. Easy yes...from the Mic..to the Graff to bboying..they created new styles in all elements that led to the creation and advancement of hip hop culture. They even inspired fashion as MC Shan already acknowledged...they stood right there in Krush Groove, first major hip hop movie..they were present in the first movie that showed bboying to the world..flashdance..they were standing there on the Mic and DJ in the first ever hip hop movie wildstyle..they were present as the Graff artists in first hip hop documentary Wildstyle...this goes even deeper and further into playing in Negro baseball Leagues..civil rights movement...and even playing in jazz bands. Hell..who started the Center for Black research in Harlem?? A Puerto Rican man... Ya need to know ya history. Opinions are many but facts r facts!
The Bronx was named after a white swedish town and english is a white man's language.
Even the people WHO WERE THERE at the creation of hip hop said there was NO Hispanics creations or influence. We don't have to be there in the beginning, many of the original creators are still alive. Let's believe what they said
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impossible black cuban and puerto ricans were there!!
@@barreraboyz , BEING THERE ISN'T CREATING ANYTHING. If I came to YOUR HOUSE, & U COOKED ME a FULL MEAL, and I ate it, it was DELICIOUS & ALL THAT. DID I HELP CREATE THE MEAL ? LMAO !
who is they name names
HipHop is not just rap & music! Why y'all forget that! Y'all always forget about Breakdancing and Graffiti! Puerto Ricans were an probably still is the ones doing before it people started rapping!
The first BBoys were in 1972-73.. they were "burning" or nowadays Breaking...
Nobody cares about that wee talking about MC and DJing
The BLACK SPADES from the BRONX BEG TO DIFFER.....& so does CORNBREAD from PHILLY. #HIPHOPORIGINATORS #FBAALLDAY
They got videos of black people breaking dancing in 1953 man.What the hell are out
@@jayyappahead6969 What B-Boy Crew, was around in 1953? Who was DJ'n for them?
@@randee4550 bro Puerto Ricans have nothing to do with shit but Puerto Ricans you remix everything we do all the way till this day. The proof is in the pudding we don’t remix nothing Spanish people do..😂 mann y’all need to stop😂
@@Derrty-DANCE Who told you that BULLSHIT? Jamar? Tariq? STFU
@@Derrty-DANCEStraight facts 💯
Hip hop is about style, that 1950s wasn't hip hop because it wasn't the same style and attitude of hip hop, it might just look the same, Brazilians been doing something like that for decades called copeira, hip hop is an attitude and style, there's no black precursor to it.
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Mad props the Jubalaires from Florida of the 1940s who were rapping and singing, The Mill Brothers from Ohio of the 1930s who were breakdancing, and the Godfather, Mr. James Brown himself who was rapping and beat boxing back in the 1960s. What do they all have in common? THEY'RE SO-CALLED BLACK AMERICANS, and held the elements of Hip-hop before it even became a culture. Respect the architects of the elements. You can't have a periodic table without the elements just like you cant have a culture without a foundation.
I thought someone woulda commented this already...
"N''s be swearin I'm Blacker than Cole/like Nat King/ I packin them guns/blastin M-1's/maaagnums caaannons & gaatling guuns!(it's Big Pun!!)/The one & only son a' Tony..."
RIP
Montana! You ain't promised mañana in the rotten manzana!!!!
Whatever.
@@bowlerfamilyur latina woman is beautiful
To understand why indigenous Boricuas desire to appropriate Afro-American culture, one has to understand the predominance of Afro-PuertoRican culture(Black Culture of PuertoRico from the Black PuertoRicans). The predominance of Black PuertoRican culture makes indigenous Boricuas feel invisible on the island so when they migrated to NewYork, only to be surrounded by another form of Black culture(Black American now as opposed to the Black PuertoRican culture), that compounded their pre-existing feelings of invisibility/cultural inadequacy. It was a mere reflex for them to appropriate Black American culture the same way that they appropriated Black PuertoRican culture back home(Bomba&Plena, African ritual percussion & dance culture that became PuertoRico's national identity). It all stems from inadequate feelings of envy toward the utter ubiquity of Diasporic African culture as a whole, from Salsa to Bomba&Plena, to Merengue, to Samba/Capoiera, to Cumbia/Cumba, to Tango/Milonga, to Afro-Cuban Jazz, to Mambo, to Cha-Cha-Cha, to Conga drumming, to Bongos, to Clave, to Bata, to Reggaeton etc...Black Culture of Latin America makes the indigenous population feel invisible so they lash out at us as a result. The concept of "Mejorar La Raza" also plays a huge roll in this as well. To ALL Black people(Afro-Americana/Afro-Latina/Afro-Caribbana/Continental Africana), ...indigenous hate us because their identity is vicariously predicated on our collective cultures all throughout the Americas. Always remember that.....
Can't stand us but want to claim what we created. I grew up through the 80's. I don't recall ANY Hispanic rappers. And they were in their separate spaces. You spoke nothing but facts. This is not me being divisive. Just fed up with the tap dancing around the facts.
Mexicans racist anyway but they always show up at rap concerts and old school funk shows!!!
What y'all CREATED though?
@@randee4550 Here you go again trolling You and Derrick Colon are an embarassment to Puerto Ricans
@@lamelprince9278 Who's trolling? You wasn't there!!! Racists aren't part of Hip-Hop CULTURE!!! Y'all need to start your own, exclusive, all Black racist shit, and call it some other shit. Y'all not Hip-Hop!
@@lamelprince9278 But notice you can't say WTF y'all CREATED!!!
Aside from the language difference, PUERTO RICANS, BLACKS, JAMAICANS ..WE ALL THE SAME …ISRAEL … And this is exactly the Type of conundrums we run into because they let us believe we are different people… So now we’re debating hip-hop? Their mission has been accomplished.
I’m Dominican from Baltimore. I appreciate this video ✌️✌️✌️✌️🫡. Thanks for the history lesson. I’m 33 and I grew up on hip hop and rap music
Congradulations they finding Dominicans were some of the original DJs and BreakDancers.It wasn't just prs .
Lord J is right and exact! We deal with Actual Facts not Actual Feelings. Hip Hop is a product of Black American Culture, and that’s not disrespect to anyone. The disrespect is aimed at those who refuse to give us our credit. We started something that everyone started jacking and that’s all it is.
Exactly 💯
Wyatts and juze jacked it the most.. controlling it in realtime. Zero smoke, Zero documentaries for them. Picking your opps very carefully.
Hip Hop is a product of Black American Culture with influence from the Five Percent Culture as well. 100% Foundational Black American.
@@MentalPistol that should be obvious to a thinking man. It’s obvious to all why our open enemies won’t take credit more than those who only appear to be friends but secretly have a deep hatred and disdain for the Black Man. Go find someone on your level to debate with.
@@krazyk9466 Thats called diverting. I asked you why you have nothing for the wyatt and the jeu who control your entire image and project you out to the greater globe in any way they see fit, resulting in us looking and sounding like a modern savages globally.. but you have endless energy and smoke for the West Indian and the Puerto Rican over who created what 50 years ago. Thats what everyone with a brain is really wondering.
All due respect my brother but as a puerto rican I can tell you not all rican families ain't like that! All my people broke bread at my crib! My mom's made sure all my boys ate before they left my house. Any, love to all!
That was kind of strange to bring that story up now in relation to this hip hop timeline debate🤔..as if that was how all puerto rican families moved smh
@servantofyahawashi75 when a person have to say...well mine didnt do this or that. Even though they said it as way to low key debate or be contray to whats spoken. They dont know....all they did was still prove the point. Because if you gotta say that that means most didnt do just yours did. Most = Majority and that majority is what the point was originally about. So yes they didn't rock with us like that. The majority is a LARGE group...ie...1/10. The 1 as in theirs ONLY
That shit sounds good, but it’s all stereotypical on both sides because growing up in New York. A lot of black families did the same thing when it came to the dirty Puerto Rican kid
Puerto Rican family with little black kids so that depended on your parents outlook in life. I’m Puerto Rican and I grew up with Keith Wiggins otherwise known as cowboy and we used to say we were cousins cause his father was always at my house with my dad. I went to school with, Mel and again we are like family and I’m Puerto Rican so again that is stereotypical on the family you were dealing with on either side so that’s a lot of bullshit.
Facts I was always in my homies crib treated me like family!
I feel like this argument is never ending as long as everybody wants to pin point the "creation" of hip hop to a date, time and place. This is the same fallacy with the whole "hip hop birthday on Aug. 11 1973" blah blah. Creation can also be viewed as an ongoing process...
Read the book “Bomba to Hip Hop.” Everyone in that area at that time help create the culture and yes Puerto Ricans did. It may not be the popular thing to say but it is the truth. There were a lot of Puerto Ricans involved. Bomba. Jamaican, Puerto Rican, African American kids in the Bronx started it and the mixture of cultures and styles made it be what it is.
How you gonna come to somebody else turf and not like them¿
And then tell them we gonna share and take credit for something you had nothing to do with. Crazy. All this we shit now 😂😂😂
Not like who
Or tell them how they should do things?
Cats do that every day, B
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It’s all love but the truth is the truth. The other people that were there who weren’t Black American were participating in Black American culture and they knew it. They didn’t bring their culture outside with them. They walked, talked and acted like BA. They have admitted this and said their family would make fun and question why they were hanging with the Black Americans. Peace to everybody.
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Very well said 👏💯
Charlie Chase who is Puerto Rican and an elder in culture who was there early said his self.. black people created hip hop and Puerto Ricans joined in after the fact. Prince Whipper Whip who is Puerto Rican and credited as being the 1st PR DJ in hip hop said the same thing. Blacks created hip hop and Puerto Ricans learned from them. All facts no feelings... PRs definitely helped build the culture but did NOT create it.
That Pun line you're referring to is from his song Dream Shatterer .
My question was, when was it coined hiphop? Or when was there a collection of all the elements consistently at the same time to lead into the definition of hiphop?
There isnt even a consensus on the origin of the term "hip hop". Different people say they personally made it up, while others have said the police made it up while harassing party goers.
watch the movie 'MICROPHONE CHECK'
NO !
@@onceagain6184 why? Are you saying they are liars? Those same black men been trying to get there truth out for a very long time. Shout out Fba
Thanks I'll check it now u check out delivery boys 1984 nearly every1 a Rican including the rapper charlie le rock
✌️✌️✌️✌️Blues, Rock & Roll, Jazz, Funk, Gospel, Rhythm & Blues, Soul, and HIP HOP were all created by American Culture (Blacks).
Can ‘House’ music be thrown in there too? Most House reminds me of Gospel and vice verse.
Black people created Showtime At the apollo ,Where's the Puerto Rican version of it It does not exist they were ALWAYS coming to black culture
And they having created anything since, while Puerto Ricans created Freestyle and reggaeton since then 😮
@@bxneco3949Rap alone has different sub genres and fusions that Black Americans have created. Drill, Trap, Country rap tunes. East Coast sound is different than West coast sound is different than the Southern sound. We inspire UK "drill rap" where guns are illegal. House & Electronic music is booming in Latin America currently.
Y'all did NOT create freestyle rap!
@@melikthegeek Hip Hop is dead ☠️, can’t even fill a stadium 🏟️, only the old school rap artists can go out the states. The young buck are 🚮
@@melikthegeek where the receipts? Rap was and is dominant by blks but b boy, break dancing and graffiti was dominant by Puerto Ricans and the receipts are there.
Lord Jamar was right & exact! End of story!......S/O Rock
@@maxpower2592 he wasn't
Umm… how old are you cats…. They were a part of the culture, experiencing it … their contributions came in when bugaloo and break dancing came into play … then all cultures put their spin on what was created by the black youth in the late 70’s early 80’s …. Mic dropped…. Not an opinion… lived it ..!! How far we have fallen
Well-spoken, calm and collected. Thanks for sharing your story
What made the conversation start personally I think it was black and Latino together as a family like in wildstyle beatstreet stylewars!!!
That film was in the 1980s
Black Americans created every element of hip hop black Americans created almost every genre but we need help with hip hop? stop it. Wouldn’t be no hip hop w/o all our other genres black Americans all day everyday we are the culture, creators, influence, trendsetters Nothing about black American culture is Hispanic I mean nothing they trying to take our culture but didn’t think we would push like this stay on they helmets and don’t let UP✊🏾🇺🇸✊🏾🇺🇸✊🏾
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Exactly,,blacks are known for getting our music,,fashion,,lingo,,slang,,and culture copied from others,,but I've never heard of anyone copying latino anything...😂....In fact,,Hip hop is no different,,puerto ricans copied black Americans when hip hop first came out,,the same way we see Europeans,,asians,,arabs,,and Hispanics copying us today...🙄....
Last I checked the first graffiti writer from New York City was white and Greek so how could black create all of the hip-hop elements?
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Cornbread from Philly
If we did not need Puerto Ricans during the civil rights movement why would need them in the music ????? Makes no sense
A lady on Lord J podcast stated the obvious, lets do a Jamaican genre from its early beginning, Puerto Rican genre from its early beginning, Black Americans genre from its early beginning and measure all their roots up until not and see where all this creativity forms into Hip Hop!! Black Americans genres are funk, gospel, r&b, bebop, jazz, blues, etc.....black Americans listen to their grandparents and parents 45's and the black youth created Hip Hop in its inception!!! Even Lord J talks about various dancing in Hip Hop Breakdancing is just 5% of all the Hip Hop dancing, Smurf, Pee Wee Herman, Wop etc....Theirs Nuance to this subject. We see no Early vocals from Jamaican Patois or Latin hispanic language in early hip hop????
You mighta missed the point.
@@Crates94 What did he miss ?
Black Americans are the root and soul of American culture. In fact the first truly American artforms were Black American. The white people brought their European culture over, the Natives had theirs. Being that Black folks were stripped of their Africanness (and were all mixed up ethnically) they had to create a new things. Things never done before that inspired EVERYONE! The reason you have bluegrass and country is because of BLACK people and any other White American music genre. I have a book on American pottery, the very first chapter is dedicated to pottery made by enslaved Africans because that is the root. Blackness is ALWAYS the root. That’s nature’s way
@@shaspearman8647 Sounds good, but thats only in sport and entertainment. Running around arenas holding various pieces of leather and starring in movies is not culture. The modern black culture destroyed not only innovation and the love of knowledge, but also the respect for great blacks of the past. Some say that young blax have lost respect for respect itself. When your heroes of the day are still saying "DAS A BIG AHZ WORDD!". FBA is not in good shape.
@@Crates94check your crayon 🖍️ box B... This is brown 🟤 this is black ⬛.. I have never met anyone that was "Blax" FOH
It's not just the rapping part of the culture it's the graffiti and break dancing. They played a huge part in that
They didn't create it. Period.
@@S.O.T.SMEDIAThey didn't create it break dancing started in Africa ruclips.net/video/m652OEgk68Q/видео.html
@@S.O.T.SMEDIAthe first BBoys were not Puerto Ricans.. DJing n Burning or Breaking was the beginning of this genre!!! .At first Kool Herc was a tagger in 1971-1972.. Flash was a Bboy in 1973:75.. this is what they said in their words .. so they have
"Black Culture" doesn't equal "Hip Hop Culture". If it did, then there was no Black Culture until rap came along.
Hip Hop culture is simply ONE aspect or element of the overall Black American experience.. or what some call "Black Culture".
What that said, Puerto Ricans or anyone else could adopt Black Culture (or the convenient aspects of it) , and then contribute to creating or molding Hip Hop culture.. theoretically speaking.
Nah, once created they can contribute and participate, which they did. They want to be at the CREATION and 50/50 at that. That is a clear cultural historical era.
@@757CitiesReppa I dont think Puerto Ricans as a whole claim 50/50, they just say they were there. Whoever said 50/50 is trippin, I think even 95+% of Boricuas would agree.
@@MentalPistol no disrespect, this sht don’t come from nowhere. This has been the campaign of “Dr. Colon” and various others. Nobody was ever trippin about PRs, or disrespecting, or anything else. It has nothing to do with feelings or friendships or anything other than accurate HISTORICAL facts and certain individuals problems with those facts. Words are important. And since people have been dumbed down, they act like they don’t seem to understand them anymore so they get all emotional and arguing various different things.
@@MentalPistol …and correction comin from The Black Spades and others.
It was a regional sub-culture of Our existence in the colonies.. just like Go-Go in D.C. or House in Chi-Town
My elders 40 years ago before this movie or debate started about hiphop , the debate was about our other genres being colonized, they educated us about how our ingenuity first belong to your intermediate family then our outer lineage. They were there ,they were right, and so is lord jamar . I like the new movement because everyone gatekeeps their ish , we should sustain our culture as well. We can unite with riders from other lineages. But we have to get out of the mindset of being scared to accurately state the truth. And another thing, it doesn't matter how dark another person is , if their mind is operating off of and has accepted the intrusion of W. Supremacy, then that is not your ally. Remember Othello , his right hand man dismantled his entire house simply by pretending.
Facts are facts bro it ain't hate!! We don't need to be apologetic about the truth. Peace to the Gods 🤌🏿✨️
Me being latino growing up in the 90s, i agree with lord jamar. Basically all latinos with immigrant family basically had 2 cultures, their latino culture at home and the american hiphop culture when you out of the house. old schooll latinos dont fuck with american culture. I call hip hop a part of american culture. it was in the developing stages in the 70-90s and now its all over america and when you see and hear anything hip hop you already know its from america. Problem is that people dont see it that way cause they cannot see it from an outside perspective... honestly who gives a fuck what color person created it, its the only Made in the USA thing thats left.
Why Geechee James Brown the Most Sampled ...
And Why Geechee Elsworth "Bumpy" Johnson THE MOST RESPECTED?
That Ain't By Accident.
Lord Jamar is 💯% CORRECT.
Our Pain Built The Culture.
It's NO DISRESPECT
TO NO OTHER CULTURE ...
But NO ONE Can Stop Us
From Telling The TRUTH
And CLAIMING What WE MADE.
Look at the 1969 crowd at Summer of Soul in Harlem, 99% black. But on the stage was..... Mongo Santamaria.
Take a look at Soul Train in early 70s. Whos in the crowd and dancing at the time? It seems its just black people.
I draw no conclusions, I just say what I see.
I'm from the West Side of the BX. Puerto Ricans ruled the BX from the 70s and beyond. Latinos were in every urban trend... every urban trend.
Great topic Rock I agree with both Chris and Lord J. There were some barriers though when We were growing up in the late 70’s and early 80’s. Old school Caribbean culture didn’t really accepted Hip-Hop music, but the influence was so powerful, it became one of the greatest cultural traditions of all times
Puerto Ricans sorry you cannot have one of our successful genres. Hip hop is ours .Like many other contributions to the world . Not just the usa .But the world 🌎 ♥️
They already mixed that with dancehall and are eating very lovely globally off of reggaeton, latin trap etc. You been living under a rock my dude.
Ricans already had their musical culture adored globally for decades before hip hop was a thought
LOL it's yours? you are still poor
I think people define Hip Hop differently. That’s the problem. Krs is saying Hip Hop is not just rapping. Hip Hop is breaking , djing and graffiti art as well. Puerto Ricans were heavy in the breaking aspect, blacks in the rapping, Jamaicans in the djing and sound system aspect. This is why people are so divided. They seeing Hip Hop as mainly rap today. How many people know who Crazy legs is or Mr. Wave? The pioneers are still here. Do your homework.
Black Americans created all those things u mentioned,,in which means u got your facts twisted....🙄
Tether babble 101🤣
💯 they missing the whole culture of HIP hop by only focusing on the music
@@aliglo333 What's your background 🤔
@@melanatedwarrior3530 why do you ask? Are you asking what's my nationality?
Black people started b-boying, but the Ricans took it to the floor. Ricans kept b-boying alive for years after blacks had moved on. Its significant. Rock Steady deserve love.
Noones taking anything away, some “Latinos” just have a problem understanding the difference between create versus participate. Much respect to Rock Steady though, of course.
@@757CitiesReppa Lord Jamar isn't arguing with Latinos, but KRS, who referenced Rock Steady's impact back in 1986 on "South Bronx."
@@jayyarbrough9902 I don’t think it is “only” directed towards KRS, but the whole sentiment floating around.
Aretha Franklin - Rock Steady 1972
Lord Jamar’s victory dance today with Dj Phase on the Yadameen Godcast was the nail in the coffin ⚰️
Hip hop started in the Bronx in the 1970s with strong roots in the African American community, but it's a global culture. It's been influenced and enriched by African, Caribbean, Latino, Asian, and even white American contributions. Hip hop transcends race and origin, becoming a universal medium for artistic and social expression.
There is no such thing as a global culture. It was created by Black Americans.
Puerto Rican's was there but really didn't invent anything, they came about 1976
I believe some were there before , but they wasn't claiming to be Puerto Rican. They look like a brother, until they went home. 🤷🏾♂️💯
@@omardavis1622 we don’t say invented we said helped create hip hop…break dancing and graffiti was dominate by Latinos..stop it
@@bigrobfromthegrouphome..8110 graffiti had they own culture before it became a sub culture in #HipHop and B-boys, again. Americans , majority " black " Now if you can find DJ John Brown, who has the original B-boys in his pocket , or Cholly Rock, Trixie, N__ Twins, Salsa if Latino were with them, cool. But I bet , they look " black " 🤷🏾♂️💯 That's the point. When you say Latino ,you know the world thinks of Charlie Chase,Crazy Legs, Ruby Dee, Tito who all came under Herc. Now Whipper Whip , if they looked like him. I get it. I didn't know he was boriqua until recent. On my mama 🤷🏾♂️💯
@@omardavis1622 I’m witchu on that fam…but we cannot forget breakdancing as well..we are talking about hip hop, not rapping l..and I think that’s where things are being misconstrued…
@@bigrobfromthegrouphome..8110 definitely. Most of us only know it as rap, but am sure me and you , and those like us. Live the culture. We been to jams, we dance, love to look fly, we love women that's element ppl tend to forget , on why it was jam period ‼️ We spoke the lingo, and we love, support , and partook into whatever brought us in. Me , it was art, but I learned kung Fu was apart of the culture in the early stages. The kids of that time, was heavy into it. Make sense on why Wu is one of our icons in #HipHop
First of all, hip-hop itself is a counter-culture. I grew up in the bx in the 70s and our parents/older generation didn’t want us playing rap music in the house. It was barely even on the radio-had to listen to it on AM stations or after dark. Saying that Caribbean and latino parents didn’t embrace hip-hop during its inception is disingenuous because even so-called fba kid’s parents didn’t embrace it at first. They called it noise. It was always a way for the youth to express themselves.
To say that although there were latino and Caribbean kids participating in the culture, but their participation doesn’t count because their parents didn’t embrace this new counter-culture is the definition of moving the goal post. The fact remains, and I was there, that Caribbeans and latinos were there from the start contributing to hip-hop culture. Peace.
Respectfully, In the beginning of HipHop the music they were scratching was the breaks of older Black music. The elders didn’t dislike the music they hated the fact the kids were scratching it up and not playing the entire record at once. The other cultures didn’t like the fact their younger family members were even hanging around Black American youth. That’s the difference. The Culture already existed before others began contributing to it. That’s all Black Americans are saying. Peace.
Thanks for speaking the truth.
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@@BlackTalonBeatsNo No No. You not from NY. Only place parents were complaining about record scratching (which you stereotyping) was NY. Black America nation wide were clueless about block parties, dijing, break dancing. When you saw Beat Street in 1983 then Black America caught on. In NY, as a kid I was forced to get up at 1Am to 2am to hear rap songs on radio. Rap music was essentially banned from morning radio rotation even black radio stations, Rap music was so much underground and despised by older black people
Krs-wrong is of Jamaican lineage so i land my plane
No he is not.
He's not even Jamaican. He's of Bajan lineage by way of his father. So he stole Jamaican lingo only to now try to give hip hop away. Shit is wild.
The debate started from the documentary Lord Jamar is in called...Microphone Check. Its 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 all the pioneers is in it
But if we define hip hop by the 4 elements, Rapping, DJ, graffiti, and breakdancing, then yes Puerto Ricans helped in the creations. All those Rican BBoys, graffiti artists, and djs put in work to bring hip hop where it is today. Now the rap element that's mostly black, but hip hop as a whole, we gotta give them credit for the movement.
I grew up in the 70s and 80s,,and 99.99 percent of all rappers for the first 15 years of hip hop was black Americans...NEED I SAY MORE 🙄....In fact just for the record,,out of hundreds upon hundreds of black American rappers that I remember from 1973 to 1988,,I only remember 1 or 2 Puerto rican rappers that came out years after hip hop was already created by black Americans,,in which means they copied our style like everyone else does...🙄
Who was they DJs who was producing the nusic w all the equipment cuz they were selling that cocoa who was break dancing on the floors and popping who was carrying spray cans around writing on walls getting locked up for the CULTURE a whole lotta Latinos ...most of them Domincans look blacker than you w Afros
Puerto Ricans had a major part in hip hop and there’s proof watch this Documentary called ( RUBBLE KINGS ) 👑 that’s the proof ya need right there Pointblank … VIVA Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 … At the end of the day Puerto Rican R from black descent so we are the same people
Black Americans created the culture, without question. All this other stuff is colonizer business
@@itsstilljoose dude just learned the word colonizer from Kendrick!..lmaooooo
Truth is the medicine that society needs👍🏾✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿
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I agree with you and I'm Puerto Rican. And I'm from.brooklyn. But when I was growing up, and I'm younger, that division didn't exist thank God cause it's stupid. A lot of us look alike.
How is this even still a debate? all you gotta do is look up "The Jubalaires" arguement over
problem is...most ppl have been conditioned to forget about these things...point is no Carribeans or Latinos was rapping in the 40's...but WE were.
Rap ain’t the only element of hip-hop. Black people have been speaking in rhyme for centuries. It’s always been a part of our oral tradition from Africa, to the Caribbean, to North America.
I'm glad I'm from the SOUTH brother's from the EAST And WEST coast yall the blame for what's going on right now and probably the reason why black folks can't never come together from coast to coast always caking for people that looks nothing like you
Them cookout invites. Now they are trying to kick us out 😂😂😂
Sexxy redd and that drill crap ain’t from the east or west.
My southern FBA family don't have other races to compete with barely at all so yall can't speak much on a dynamic you have no experience with. Also if you havnt noticed southern racist whites piggy backed on yall wave to the top as well with little regulation. I know West Coast FBA's can't regulate on the Mexicans like they need to also but I understand cuz I can relate to being an outnumbered FBA. The South is FBA headquarters. I see my brothers in Chicago fighting against the outside pressure also, and I dont judge I just support my FBA's reestablishing our culture. The FBA South has brought a good share of well needed straightening to the culture I agree, but the FBA South still has plenty work to do too. So lead if it's really your time but never again should we be off code as an FBA nation.
@@Alisha1686 Thats really the wyatt and jeu cookout now, lol. You was too busy twerkin while they took over the house and yard.
FACTS
Salute Fam
Thanks Skeltah. There was a drumroll for a minute. I was holding my breath bro. I didn't know what you were going to say homie. You stood in the pocket.
Dude who is one of the first guys who came up with hip hop said in an interview that he got the beats from Puerto Rican music ! He said that they would speed it up or slow it down.
Then they started adding a little to it.
I wouldn’t even entertain that BS
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We as black people also need to pay attention about the time they are saying this .Why is this conservation coming up now about Puerto Ricans in hip hop? I smell yt supremacy behind all of this
@@lamelprince9278 nah, we settin the record straight while the originators are still around saying it out of their own mouths…this type thing happens throughout time
Fam thank u. I agree with lord jsmar and all the facts i do. But wtf is is comong up now..why we beefing now. This coulda happened like 20 years ago. Sure i get upset we are not recognized more for what we create and they always steal our stuff so i get the frustrations. But now we beefin with ppl tht actually respect us. Like i said in my comment up top out here in az and when i went to nc even ny younger BLACK kids do not care about wht any old head thinks. They nt csre about the history. Dont care about who started it. They only care about their time. Its sad. I say tht to say to me tht is worst than a pr tht wants to be apart of it. Pun, Busta, Eminem even all pay homage and respect the history so i should diss them now just cause they not black americans and side with some of my ppl tht do not care at all and look at me and all of us as old and dnt wnt to hesr anything we say?!?! Help it make sense.
@@samsneadd When people under the ruler ship of their enemies these just some of the effects…. We gotta *Get Out* or D!3
KRS grew up on the same block as Kool Herc he was there from the start as a little kid. Puerto Ricans made a huge contribution to graffiti and breaking. Lee, Crazy Legs, seen and all them. Krs is thinking about all the elements not just rap which is what Lord Jamar be sayin.
Ricans didn't creat ANY of the elements... stop it
Where do yall get this shit from??? KRS did not grow up on the same block as Herc! KRS is from Brooklyn! He was not there from the start! Even Puerto Rican breakdancers Batch, Aby, Wiggles, Bom5 and Crazy Legs have said that they saw Black Americans breakdancing first!!
@@chinablack9790 read Kenny Parkers book bro, they lived a few doors away from Herc on Sedgwick Ave.
@DipherOneCICrew KRS is from Brooklyn. He moved from Brooklyn to Harlem. He lived in The Bronx for one year, and that was not in the beginning of Hip Hop. He was living in a shelter when he met Scott La Rock. I don't need to read any book. I was actually there at the beginning of Hip Hop. Regardless of what you and others read or was told, KRS was not a part of the beginning of Hip Hop!
Sasa First BBoy... Where the hell was the Ricans in 1973???
I would argue that early hip hop was a reflection of New York City culture which was racially and culturally diverse in a way not reflected in Lord Jamal's (respect to New Rochelle) position. Of the 4 core elements of hip hop culture that KRS-One always speaks of (Emceeing, DJing, Breakdancing, & Graffiti), Puerto Ricans were definitely there from the start and influential in their own way.
The first to get on camera 🎥
Facts
Yall did nothing but enjoy culture we introduced to the world.. the lies are weird at this point..
Wait...wait, Hip Hip Black hood culture created in NY period. It had nothing to do with Latin culture whatsoever. Latininos partipated. But zero to do with the creation. And that's ok...they innovated different dance moves etc. But they had nothing to do with creating Hip hip. We took disco music and jazz and funk and created Hip hop. Latinos where apart of these genres whatsoever. So can we please stop this stop debate. It's really dumb!!!
@leftlanehiphop6259 The Bronx was Black and Latino and still is. It wasn't all black American it isn't Mississippi. Latinos from New York were involved in Hip Hop BEFORE black Americans from the South from before it began. In the 1960s the Puerto Ricans had the Civil rights group called the Young Lords. Then it went to the gangs with the vest in the 70s and then it went to Hip Hop and Puerto Ricans were involved in all of those eras.
Creating:
- Means to bring something into existence, often from scratch
- Implies originating, inventing, or founding something new
- Typically involves generating an initial idea, concept, or work
Contributing:
- Means to add to or enhance something already existing
- Implies supporting, augmenting, or improving an existing effort or work
- Typically involves building upon someone else's foundation or idea.
Puerto Ricans were dancers and graffiti artists from the start of hip-hop. So how were they not a part of the creation of hip-hop? We all assimilated to a certain extent, "whites", Caribbean and Latino's. But you still brought a piece of you into this new collective called hip-hop, a form of expression. Which in actuality is still growing and changing with the new participants that have entered into the fold.
No, you are wrong. The black america stopped dancing, and the Puerto rican was dancing in a subway for change. And The crazy writing story in philly. Go watch the microphone and check.The gentleman is still alive. You all just be lying. And let be clear. Black Folks welcome everyone. You people came over. I've been Disrespectful, we're gonna start checking you all till about twenty twenty five years later.
@augustabates5470 New Yorkers don't recognize Cornbread as the first graffiti writer. They recognize Julio 204 and Taki 183 as the first writers.
Nope.. We recognize Corn Bread.. And Know Him. Fam been Graff Famous since the 60s @@bowlerfamily
@bowlerfamily AT the end of the day, that's in young mine. Just like my family said. P.R.in the 70S didn't even deal with, so call BLACK PEOPLE. YOI PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THE Culture was created. AND BLACK PEOPLE NEVER HAS A PROBLEM WITH ANYONE . OTHERS PEOPLE ALWATS HAD A PROBLEM WITH US. AND MOST OF YOY STILL DO. AND BUY NOT ABLE TO ADMIT AND TELL THE TRUTH SPEAKS VOLUMES . ASK YOURSELF WHY IS ALL THOSE Is Pioneer in the Mater's Mother phone check. WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. SAYING THE SAME THINGS??? AND IF YOY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. WE ALWAYS KEEP SHIT 100%. QUESTION??? WHY HAVE NO ONE CAME OUT AND SAID THE THOSE BLACK Pioneer and microphone check movies were lying. AND WHAT FUNNY IS EVERYONE WHO KNOW US. WE NEED COPIES SHIT. WE ALWAYS GIVE SHIT ALWAYS AND PEOPLE IN. BUT, NO ONE WELCOME BLACK PEOPLE. AND THAT'S FIND. BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO DO NEW SHIT EVERYTIME. We gave away country music, gave away rock, and rolled. AND EVERY TIME QE DO THAT. Another group come along and climb it as their own. I MEAN EVERY DAMN TIME. JUST CHECK THE HISTORY. AMAZING HOW YOU DONT LIKE A PEOPLE. BUT YOU HELP. IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND, it is James Brown and the R and B flow. You can't create a damn thing. And these 5 elements B.S. you go with it. But, you still didn't do it. GO AND WATCH Michael Chow microphone, share documentary and watch the history even way back.1920 again, come talk to me with your lies.In some point if people need to stop lying and being evil cause no good in
Well said 15:46
Amazing
Man I’m glad you kept this shit 💯%. Most of them only identify with us when it’s convenient.
As someone who is both black and PR you are right. A majority our PR og's are extremely racist. Even some who ran with black people back in the day have gave in and became racist today💯
Hey best cadence in hip hop , that anime James Dean Issssss toooo hard, No diddy cuzz
Had to edit,, the Pun song your talking is
"Dream Shatterer"
Agreed. As Black Americans, we built this. No question. KRS’ only point was that young Puerto Ricans, before any other nation or group of people, CONTRIBUTED significantly to Hip-Hop (rap, scratch, breaking and graffiti). That was his only point. Lord Jamar attacked a point that KRS never illustrated in the first place. So while they are both correct, Lord J is wrong on his interpretation of the Blastmaster’s statement.
Yeah but KRS also said HipHop would not exist without Latinos. That is ridiculous and false. The culture was already a thing before they helped push it forward. That phrase and idea had to be corrected.
@@BlackTalonBeats Those were his exact words and he should certainly clarify his statement. But what I gathered from it was only an emphasis on the fact that Hip-Hop would not exist as we recognize it today were it not for their contributions and influence on the culture. That is all. We would be imbecilic to believe for a second that KRS is suggesting that Puerto Ricans invented Hip-Hop. He’s not denying that the culture stemmed from us and that it would have existed with or without any other group, including Puerto Ricans. He’s only stating that it would not exist as we recognize it today because the “flavor” that they introduced to it was so significant and permanently embedded.
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I hear you. But I have to take the Teacha words literally. I’m not playing the “what he meant” game. If he comes out and corrects it, I’ll accept his clarification. Until then I applaud LJ for challenging what KRS said. All of the 50/50 creation people took it literally as well. They’re using it for ammunition.
@@BlackTalonBeats I agree 100%! His phrasing was unfortunate and it BEGS like hell to question whether he intended that statement literally or not. You know what, fuck it, you’re right. We need to hear it from him. Historically and presently has too much credit been stripped from us. It would be a godforsaken shame for one of us, especially as iconic as KRS, to strip it from ourselves.
The bottom line: they both have valid points. KRS is right about this though: Jamaicans, Haitians and Puerto Ricans was there. Case in point: Heavy D, A 🐐 EMCEE, is Jamaican. Kangol Kid, Herby Luv Bug as well as later on Wyclef and Pras are all Haitian. Prince Markie Dee is Puerto Rican. Heavy D & Prince Markie Dee let it be known their lineage. The others didn’t though. They were looked at as Black Americans. Closed Mouths don’t get fed. Kid Frost and Mellow Man Ace are Hispanic. We knew this from jump. Jamar is also right though, the majority adapted to being Black American because they couldn’t rock with their slang and language in Hip Hop in the early days like they do now. They had no choice.
Mentioning Break Dancing is one thing because it was a mixture of cultures but we as Black Americans moved on from that in the mid 80’s. The Wop, Cabbage Patch, PeeWee Herman, Running Man and everything else in between was rocking. It’s crazy how I didn’t see many Puerto Ricans and the like doing those dances.
" When in Rome, do as the Romans do " now think of 1971-75 #Bronxdale #Bronxriver #Soundview
@@omardavis1622 touché
@@curtis75black you know who confirmed it for me. My mom. Born 1960... 14 going on 15 in 1975 #SouthBronx #Motthaven so she was the first generation when they called #HipHop the #Jam
@Curtis why are you bringing up 1980s.. we are focused on 1972-73.. They all played Disco in the early 1970s at Jams... And the 1st Grandmaster GM Flowers was opening for James Brown circa 1969 and Disco King Mario in 1972-73 predates in BX and had the first Solo MC Chief Rocka Busy Bee in 1973-74...
@@williamdavis8855 That’s why I’m bringing up the 80’s. The early 70’s was still a Disco sound and feel to it…to some degree. Hip Hop on a grand scale didn’t come into its own until then. Me being born in 75, I learned the early music through my father who djayed. Plus being born in The Bronx, I witnessed the development. If you’re committed, you find out about all of your favorites and whom they really are.
They contributed a lot more on the graffiti and break dancing side of the house, imo. They helped with some innovations here and there, but that was the wonder of hip hop back then, anyone could contribute... you just couldn't be a sucker, duck or punk... And Jamaican dance hall had a huuuuge influence. Hip hop itself broke down a lot of the remaining division that white American culture created with their systems of colorism. Eventually, the young PR cats realized they had more in common with us and Jamaicans than anyone else. I had family I would visit in the projects across the street from Edenwald, and there were a lot of PR's living in around the Edenwald projects and especially the South Bronx... That's where KRS-1 is coming from. Jamar wasn't there back then, in '77, '78, when the block parties and dj/mc battles were happening in the parks. He was still a young buck up in New Ro'. I know, I ran with him for a while before he even became Lord Jamar. Don't get me wrong, that's my dude, but KRS has more real-life perspective and knowledge on the roots of hip hop.
Did you know KRS in the 1970s... Listen to the first MC Chief Rocka Busy Bee from 1973... KRS is like 3rd generation 1985ish
✌🏾Rock your feed back is Golden your a legend in my eyes. I 💯%agree with you
Rockness, I’m Puerto Rican (NewYorican) & at 44 y/o I’m not old enough to have been around at the start of Hip Hop. This video is the most respectful breakdown re: this topic that I’ve heard from either side of it. 🫡✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼
Puerto Ricans played a major part in Hip Hop, Cool Herc was the creator of Hip Hop and he's Jamaican.....and he's black too!
Throwing a party doesn't make you the creator of a goddamn thing....
HIPHOP CULTURE BEEN ON & POPPIN YEARS BEFORE KOOL HERC.
Disco King Mario Grandmaster Flowers.. DJing in the Early 1960s was Disco at disco techs... There was no word Hip Hop.. Hercules played Disco
@williamdavis8855 he came up with breakbeats for the break dancers.
@@3000spills the break beats were already there. How did Hercules create a James Brown break beat??? Crazy legs believe it or not said Hercules didn't do anything technically amazing. He was no real DJ.. coke La Rock, Timmy Tim, Clark Kent did most of the music. Hercules was at the door mixing it up with females
Strange hill to die on
Puerto Ricans did Graffiti and break-dancing Rapping was US* 👉🏾BlackFolks👀😤
Wrong
MC Ruby Dee
they DID that shit...but they didn't CREATE that shit. Stop dancing around the truth
@dn30001 If You say 👉🏾DJ Spinning records Yes 👉🏾Rapping NO!👀 Accept It Sorry!
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What about him?
Puerto Rican isn’t a race, and why do we alway give disclaimers like I’m not racist I love everyone when we know other groups don’t feel the same way…
The drums in Puerto Rican music comes from our African Ancestors so it's no surprise that we would love and contribute to hip hop. We are also together in the same neighborhoods, so the lyrics always resonate. I am Puerto Rican and I couldn't go into my friend's house because of my beautiful brown complexion! Sadly, colorism spread through the island during my parents generation and that idea remained even when Puerto Ricans migrated to the US. Thanks for sharing your story Rock!
I feel like Puerto Ricans definitely helped influence it. Break Dancing was created through Hip Hop and it was Puerto Ricans that were some of the best Break Dancer's and most influential during the late 70's and early to mid 80's.
However...there's a thing called Soul train 🚆 started in 71 where there's Poplocking and breaking...in 71
@@will_cashgrow2294 Marco De Santiago and Aldofo "Shabba Doo" Quiones are Puerto Rican and they made frequent appearances on Soul Train amongst other Puerto Ricans. It's fair to say that Puerto Ricans were right there in the mix of it all when Hip Hop began. Puerto Ricans are musical and soulful people, so it was only naturally that they would graft in. Even a few Mexicans like Bruno "Pop N Taco" Falcon reached celebrity status through Hip Hop and break dancing. For the record, music doesn't discriminate, only people with narrow minds do.
@@TruthHurtzButHealz Shabba Doo was from Chicago - Cabrini Greens. His father was Puerto Rican, his mother was African American, and he identified himself as a Black man.
@@culture88 Many Puerto Ricans have African descent. What's your point? "Black" is not a "race." In fact, no "color" is a "race."
@@TruthHurtzButHealz Black is a race. The process and production of racialization is a real aspect of modern societies. Period.