Fallout TV Show : Is It BIGGER? Is the Brotherhood Airship the Prydwen Or A New Larger Ship?
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2024
- Join me for a detailed look at the new Brotherhood of Steel airship in the Fallout TV Show. Is it the Prydwen from Fallout 4 or a new bigger ship called the Caswennan?
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Do you wish we had got to see inside the airship? Who was in command?
Yea that would of been good hope we can in season 2
I bet it's still elder maxson
@@RoryStapleton-vf8hy I hope so too. I guess building the airship interior set was too expensive for season one, that's what they had the Brotherhood take Filly, to get double use out of that mega expensive set. Fingers crossed for season two.
@@RoryStapleton-vf8hy I wonder if Maxson may have stayed back east and sent one of the others. I think it would work well with Captian Kells, it would be great to see Tim Russ reprise the role in live action.
I'd love to see Kells in command or maybe Procter Ingram I think she would be a super cool character for the tv show!
My theory is that, it wasn't totally rebuilt but upgraded and retrofitted with new tech. from the commonwealth and some addition upgrades after the game ended, since fallout 4 happened 9 years before the show, so this is a possible answer
Yes very possible. That seems to be the most popular option here. I think it's a decent compromise.
@@FalloutPBC it begs the question why they deliberately want to distinguish the two as separate ships. My guess is either so that they can introduce the prydwen later on, or so that they can destroy the Caswennan without deliberately destroying the Prydwen itself, thus begging the question as to whether which chapter was destroyed and what percentage of it.
@@gloccry2184 They are prob using the same model but forgot to remove the letters and add new ones
Problem with going by the game model, there aren't enough bunks to berth all the troops she was supposed to be carrying, and there are *no* showers or bathrooms aboard. I *might* be able to ignore that on a flight of several hours from D.C. to Boston, but that would *have to* be addressed on a cross-country flight. The ship would need to be a lot bigger to berth her crew and carry the supplies for that length of journey, even if it was a straight flight. I'm going with the Prydwen rebuilt theory, but to do so, we would have to address where they're going to get a more powerful reactor; the one stolen from Rivet City would no longer be adequate.
That makes sense. A major refit to increase range and operational capacity.
That said I have a mod that adds bunk beds, bathrooms and showers to the Fallout 4 Prydwen. It's a great mod and it's clear there was room for sensible facilities, BGS just missed it.
Still, although that solves a few problems, capacity would be really limited for a longer expedition.
The new ship we see in the show would have much more space and seems to have extra capacity for Vertibirds. Plus you mentioned the reactor problems in Fallout 4.
The major refit would be a logical next step. Plus, one of my other commenters Rory, yesterday mentioned they had 9 years to do it. So plenty of time to source a new reactor too.
Maybe Brotherhood used Boston airport's plane remains to expand Prydwen?
Definately a possibility, they had 9 years to refit or rebuild and there is plenty of scrap around airports.
@@FalloutPBC I bet they keep Arthur Maxson's appearance for Season 2, or at least for finale of it. He might come and make example of rebelious Elder from West chapter of BoS. If they got so much money from California state, they might cast high caliber actor for that role. My choice would be Jake Gyllenhaal (I know that he is older than Arthur Maxson was in game, but I can't not see more perfect casting as someone who is duplicitous and fanatical.)
@@sw-gs Yeah nice little payout from California for them. Perhaps they can spend it on the interior sets for the airship. It would be fun to see the Cleric meet one of the East coast leaders, maybe even Maxson.
What would be MINDBLOWING is if they have Liberty Prime on that thing ready to be reassembled once again.
I think we will see Prime at some point but I would guess it's a few seasons away yet.
Wouldn’t surprise me knowing the Brotherhood
my theory is that is what they needed cold fusion for, perhaps the berelium agitator was insuficient
prime has to be on the series, if no what's the point lol
Actually it's quite common in naval history to have namesakes. The Royal Navy has had five ships right after one another named HMS Victory, last of them (Lord Nelson's flagship in Trafalgar) being preserved as a museum ship. They've also had four carriers named HMS Ark Royal and US Navy will be lauching their third carrier named USS Enterprise next year.
So it would align with maritime history, if they explained that this ship was under construction as the Caswennan, but as reports of Prydwen's demise came in it would've been renamed as its namesake.
However, that would've meant that the Prydwen's destruction is canon, just spinning the problem around. They should've just kept the Caswennan.
Thanks, you make a really good point. Come to think of it, that happened in Star Trek with the Enterprise and the Defiant too.
So I guess we can add that option to the list. Caswennan renamed to Prydwen.
As they said no ending for Fallout 4 would be confirmed we can get round that by saying the first Prydwen was retired due to it's problematic generator. It is 9 years later so a lot is possible.
Todd Howard has confirmed in a recent interview that it is the Prydwen. The rumour that it was a new ship is confirmed to be false.
It wasn't a rumour Craig it was named the Caswennan in the Vanity Fair interview with the producers, so the info was official. The question is why did they give us a different name at first. The effects with the name Prydwen on the side were done at that point. So that's a bit odd. Perhaps they thought the name was a spoiler and it was an intentional misdirect?
It's good that Todd has officially corrected the confusion. Do you remember where the interview was from? I haven't seen it and it would be useful to know exactly what he said, thanks.
At least we can rule out option one from my list, now we just need to know how they are going to explain the big differences to the game.
@@FalloutPBC not too long ago. I watched it on RUclips. I’ll see if I can find it again
@@FalloutPBC I believe it is the interview with IGN
ruclips.net/video/7dSeF1CMChs/видео.htmlsi=BzAghEFaskavKktL
He also mentions that shady sands was nuked after FO: New Vegas, which clears up another controversy over the timeline on the chalkboard.
@@craigjones7343 I covered this interview over on X the other day. It was nice to get the clarification on Shady Sands, not that it should have been necessary. It was so sad how out of order some people got over it, I got a lot of hate myself. Sadly no mention of the airship in this one though.
@@FalloutPBC The name "Caswennan" is an alternative name used in some versions of the Arthurian legend for the ship sailed by King Arthur, more commonly known as the Prydwen.
I think it is the pridwen they could of upgrade between fallout 4 and now it's been 9 years
That's a good point Rory!
@@FalloutPBC did Procter ingrem say in fallout 4 that need fixes and repair before heading back so could they of also done upgrades
@@RoryStapleton-vf8hy I'd have to go back and check the dialogue for the full situation but you are right that they were having trouble. She always needs coolant fluid, I remember that was part of it.
Maybe after their expedition to the Commonwealth they learned a lot of lessons and went for a major redesign and upgrade. Like you said they had plenty of time.
@@FalloutPBC yea I remember make coolant
I suppose it could still be the Prydwen but that it has undergone a refit since being built several years before the events of the show.
The major refit theory seems to be the fan favourite here.
The reason why "it's name matters" isn't, at least for me, that it is the same ship from Fallout 4 but that it's another piece that confirms this is the East Coast Brotherhood of Steel ... an idea further support by their flag and icons. The small cogs are on the left side (F3 & 4) as opposed to the right side as was in Fallout 1-2, and maybe New Vegas (the wiki shows it on both sides and I'm too lazy to reinstall New Vegas to check how it was in game) and the flag is almost the same as the one in Fallout 3.
I loved the show but the one thing I thought they got wrong was not explaining the Brotherhood better.
This West Coast chapter is clearly very different from any Brotherhood chapter we have seen before. We don't know why but I hope they explain it as the show develops.
As for the airship, the Vertibirds and the knights, we know they aren't from this area because as I said in the video Max says "I wonder why they are here"
Plus the high Cleric clearly says their mission is from the Commonwealth.
That of course doesn't mean the ship has to be from the commonwealth, but I wonder if we get a hint with Knight Titus, the actor Michael Rapaport is a New Yorker and he played the Knight that way. I can't help but think that may have been a hint at the airship coming from New York, it's been 9 years so the airship could have been on an expedition to New York. I've always thought that would be the setting of Fallout 5. I wonder if this was a little hint at the future.
sorry if I keep spaming your inbox with notification, RUclips keeps deleting the comments. Isn't our dystopian society grand.
The flag on the Base is still the one of the East Coast BOS, meaning ppl overthink that line, it is not "what are these foreign BOS doing here" it is "what are these knights doing at the training base".
Why which chapter of the BOS this is matters is because it ignores or un alives the previous lore and the much, much more interesting BOS factions on the West Coast for the hilariously bad after Fallout 4 East Coast BOS.
@@Palora01 I suspect they just picked the flag they thought looked "coolest" and that's as deep as that went.
Given the big differences, I would have preferred if they had left this as a new ship as they originally said.
Overall I agree I think it would have been easier to just stick with the new name. They had 9 years to source the parts and build it. Still, if we are stuck with it being the Prydwen a major refit is an acceptable compromise I feel.
@@FalloutPBC 1. It's a new ship and 2. They used pieces from the Prydwen.
Alternatively, it's a new ship but "Prydwen" became the class designation, like "Enterprise class".
Another issue that comes up with this ship being the Prydwen is that it basically canonizes the brotherhood/minutemen ending for FO4 with no ambiguity.
@@rpontonjr I like your idea of new ship, Prydwen class. Another acceptable compromise.
@@ST4RDUST Yes that's a very good point thanks! I forgot to mention in the video! I think it was Todd himself who said nothing in the show would confirm or deny any ending.
Great analysis! Thanks for sharing. I hope season 2 gives more information about the airship.
Many thanks! I hope so too. I hope we get to see the interior in season 2.
im just wondering now, who'll be casted for a 30 yo arthur maxon
I very much hope we get to see some Fallout 4 characters in S2.
I haven't seen the show so I don't know who is in charge of that chapter but if someone new is in charge then when the ship was remodeled they could have given it a new name 😎
I won't say too much I don't want to spoil anything for you. I will say this chapter ( they call it a legion in the show, is VERY different from the Fallout 4 BoS. They have a lot of the old West Coast traits and lot of new titles and uniforms.
Damn so they called the eastcoast chapter to the westcoast?
Looks that way. Hopefully, we will see a lot more of who was on the airship in season 2.
The producers of the show even said it wasn't the prydwen.
Yeah I did mention that!
It is Prydwen, according to what is written on its starboard. Also TV version of it is about 330 meters long (scale with this Vertibird model which is 15-16 meters long)
I did mention it says Prywen on the side, that was the whole point of the video. The question is how do we reconcile that with the game version being so much smaller?
Did you watch the whole video?
@@FalloutPBC Yes I watched it. In the game compared to vertibirds is smaller, about 160-170 meters. Maybe it is just rendering. Don't know. Either way 165 nor 330 would be 40K tonnes, not even when fully packed, but that is another story. As for the size, well 165 is obviously too small (not much room for all it needs to carry, and larger it is for the same mass, means other than lighter build, also more volume i.e. displaces more air i.e. will float easier). 🤷
It would be really neat to see Lyon's BoS interact with Maxon's BoS in the show. Always wanted to see how the clashing ideologies would play out. I would think "I don't like you, but we don't want beef either" is how it would go.
It was a bit of a shame the Maxson takeover happened in between Fallout 3 and 4 so we didn't really get to see if there was much pushback to Maxsons rise to power.
I'm guessing Maxson making the call to re-integrate the former Outcasts would of caused some of the Lyons loyalists to be a bit concerned at least.
I finished a third watch-through of the show today and I wondered if they may be building to the type of story you mentioned. When the high Cleric asks Maximus to join him in forming a new version of the Brotherhood I couldn't help but think of what Maxsons response will be.
Plus I think Maxson will want to come and see that cold fusion reactor for himself! Mayber even take it back to the East Coast.
@@FalloutPBC My understanding is that they are simply different chapters. Maxon's Chapter of the BoS being one that splintered off and integrated the Outcasts as you mentioned. It appears this chapter of the BoS in the show exhibits a strong resemblance to Maxon's BoS ideology. Perhaps they are one in the same? Perhaps it was discovered that Maxon was a synth and was removed from power? So many possibilities here.
I would certainly think that Lyon's BoS is still out there, though. And with the show appearing to follow locations from the games, one location to one season, Season 1 based around Shady Sands, Season 2 appearing to shift to New Vegas, it's certainly within the realm of possibility that we may see a Season of the show play out in the Capital Wasteland. Seeing the two clash there would be very interesting.
@@TheUnseenSoldier No you have the wrong end of the stick there somewhere. Owyn and Sarah Lyons both died and Arthur Maxson evently took command of the whole operation.
Maxson becomes provisional Elder in 2282 after a number of combat heroics
In 2283 he proves his diplomatic skills by making peace with the Outcasts at the age of just 16
He becomes the youngest ever Elder and takes full command soon after.
By 2287 he is named supreme commander of all Brotherhood forces in the US.
Head over to my friends at the Fallout wiki if you would like to see the full story.
fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Maxson
The tv show BoS are probably closest to the more religious Fallout 1 BoS. Personally, I don't think the TV show chapter shows much simularity to the organisation of the Fallout 3 or 4 BoS. But of course, it has been 9 years so the East Coast Brotherhood could be very different by the time of the show.
I agree it would be fantastic to see the Capitiol or Commonwealth in future seasons!
Thanks for the video. 👍 I have to be honest, I did assume it was the Pridwen.
Thanks, Alice! It's Prydwen, I thought you were good with Welsh names 😉
@@FalloutPBC I thought that’s what I’d typed. 🤷🏻♀️🤣
@@alicecharles6178 Auto correct is often wrong! 🤣
@@FalloutPBC 🤣
My thoughts on New Vegas is that if they go with the YES Man Ending is that he would betray the Main character and they would have to destroy the Lucky 38 and New Vegas to stop him😎
Interesting! I can't wait to find out in season 2!
It's not too crazy to belive this is an upgraded Prydwen with some new hull armour sections and extended length to accomodate more crew and new technology they obtained in the commonwealth. While to do so would take a large amout of time this is 9 years after Fallout 4 and in real life many aircraft and ships recieve extensive overhauls to extend their life or to improve on a base model.
Look at real military ships that have been modernised and converted rather than building a whole new ship. A lot of the features of the original Prydwen have remained like the rudder, flight deck and overall shape, but the things that changed seem to be armour panels and modules indicating possible upgrades to it's power generation and capacity (like the vents and coils which are likely related to the power) which are all key to what is essentially a Brotherhood assault ship, designed to be stationed near Brotherhood activities as a mobile base of operations capable of deploying it's vast amount of troops to take territory and build bases on the ground. Larger capacity means more deployable troops, cargo space for supplies and storing technology found in the wastes and more range to operate without stopping to moor somewhere.
I see this as a natural progression of the Brotherhood becoming a more aggressive faction to the wasteland and it's inhabitants, and requiring a more capable ship to wage that war should they need to.
It is also possible that this is a rebuild. Though it's unlikely they could rebuild the Prydwen in 9 years it is possible that the ending in which it was destroyed is cannon, and the remenants of the Brotherhood salvaged the wreck and rebuilt it to be bigger and better, and named it after the Prydwen to honour the previous version that was lost.
Yes, a few people here have favoured the massive upgrade premise. It makes sense for all the reasons you laid out so well there.
It's certainly the case that the Fallout 4 Prydwen had a lot of shortcomings and given the massive power and resource dominance of the Brotherhood in the East it makes perfect sense to build a better ship or at least upgrade the current one.
Personally, I preferred the idea that this was a new, bigger, better ship, built to travel to the West to unite the Brotherhood chapters there. It just seemed to be the next logical step given the Brotherhood's massive advantage in the East.
But 9 years is a long time and who knows what problems they may have face there since Fallout 4. Perhaps upgrading the Prydwen was the better option.
It was 9 years after fallout 4, she would of been sat down for a few years and upgraded 😵💫
I think that's looking like our best option.
Maybe it’s a Prydwen Class air ship
I think that's a good compromise.
Super video mate! You found a lot of changes I hadn't noticed at first. It is clearly much bigger. Given all the big changes I wonder why they put the Prydwen name on the side at all?
To my mind they just give themselves unnessasary problems. I admire their attempts to tie in to the games but this was so pointless, it wasn't a plot point at all. New ship would have made more sense to me.
Thanks mate, yeah I just said to NT I think it would have been easier to just stick with the new name Caswennan sounded cool to me. As you say the ship made no difference to the story in any way so why give yourself the problem if you aren't going to use it anyway.
Hopefully we can get the Main character from fallout 4.
It's updated with higher resolution : )
Next gen update! Lol
I disagree since both names refer to the same ship in the king Arthur myth. Also the BoS could have expanded and improved the ship in the 9 years since the game, just like they did with Liberty Prime.
I'm sorry disagree with what?
Yes, most commenters seem to prefer the major refit option. Hopefully we will get some official word at some point.
It say prydwen on the side...
It does!
Others have pointed out that the name is in different font than in the game, so the name being in the show is a result of deliberate action rather than reusing textures from the game.
@@gottagowork Did anyone really look at the show model and think they reused anything from the game? Apart from the major design changes I pointed out you would think people would know a model from film or TV has to be radically higher res and detailed to hold up.
It's clearly been added deliberately, the question I'm posing in the video is where do we go from here?
I gave three possible ways to resolve this in the video but we have had some really good alternatives in the comments.
It'll be interesting to see what the official line becomes.
They upgraded it to i think 🤔
Looks like our best option, yes.
I noticed this was much bigger during the trailer. As they had said it was a new ship I thought, ok no problem looks good. What possessed them to put Prydwen on the side? Why then lie about it too?
I guess you are right that we are stuck with 3 bad options from here. But why do it, the ship did nothing anyway. Such a shame as they had been so perfect with the rest of the visuals. Odd.
Yeah, it was a strange and unnecessary choice. I like that the show is canon but they need to make sure they don't give themselves a problem for the sake of it.
The art style of the Tv show IS different from the one in Fallout 4. Other big differences besides the different Prydwen are the BOS under suit which Kinights use underneath their power armor, which now they look more reddish and the head piece more different in design. Another one is the very drastically realistic Pre War vehicles, which are more cohesive in size and more close to real classic cars, compared to Fallout 4’s ovular almost ridiculous Pre War cars. (Btw no hate on Fallout 4’s style, I love it but I definitely prefer the TV show’s style.)Another one which is my personal favorite change or difference are the buildings, Pre War and Post War; they are more close to that mega building style old Fallout’s were going for, 1920’s style but a bit exaggerated, more square and symmetrical, rather than Fallout 4’s colorful circular buildings which feel less realistic because of their size as well as their architecture.
I share your appreciation for some of the outstanding design work. Cooper's car and the Vault Tec HQ were highlights for me.
I think the pre-war vehicle designs were a practical choice rather than a deliberate aesthetic one. It's much cheaper and easier to just get ahold of some real-world cars from the 40s and 50s that look 'retro enough' for Fallout than it would have been to have a shop custom fabricate game-accurate cars.
@@TheImpendingDm Oh yes, totally. You are right, they still tried did recreate some vehicles from the games though, like that one that Bud Askins is driving. Meaning they did embrace the style with what they had.
@@TheImpendingDm I agree it was a necessary compromise, especially for season one.
That said after seeing the show I was impressed with the cars. They did make some really great cars, mostly for the flashback stuff. Cooper's car was a big favourite of mine.
@@vnar6706 Actually, Bud's car is real too! It's a Messerschmitt KR200 from 1955-1964. The Fusion Flea in the games was heavily based off of it, so it makes a great stand-in.
It is the Prydwen, the name is written on it. In addition, the Quintus scribe explains, after the arrival of the airship, that the mission was entrusted to them by the highest authorities of the Commonwealth, so it is necessarily the Prydwen.
Did I say all of this word for word in the video? You did watch the video right?
What else should it be?? We dont need this "over the top" bullshit in fallout. Like if they start building more of them. The first one was a masterpiece of its own.
Sorry I don't quite understand what you mean? Are you saying the new redesign is over the top or the idea of it being a new ship?
@@FalloutPBC the idea of them simply building more of them.
@@excidium1991 Oh I see. Personally I loved the original concept art for Fallout 4 that had two of them. That was what I was hoping we would see here, a brand new larger improved design flying next to the batted old Prydwen.
@@FalloutPBC they cut a reactor from the rivet city aircraft carrier to power it. These things dont just lay arround by the dozend somewhere.
It would have been like with many other franchises: you have a powerfull weapon or villan in the first movie that maybe still makes sense. Then they bring out the next movie where they put in an even more powerfull one so the original one becomes pathetic when compared to the new one. Then the next movie comes out and then the next and in the end youll have something so absured like starkillerbase or the massiv secret fleet of ultra star destroyers in starwars or basicly every vilan in the marvels.
A second brotherhood airship isnt yet as absured as these examples but it is going in the same direction.
It’s not. It’s new
Ok
@@FalloutPBC thank you for confirming 🫡