I listened to the three-part series over the past week and found it incredibly helpful. With the term "Christian Nationalism" likely to be a buzzword during the election season, it is important for us to learn more about it in order to have better discernment. I was mortified when looking at the Christ is Lord site. Here is a creative idea using a billboard and ads to bring attention to Christ and a great potential avenue to inform a curious non-believer and it is only a guy plugging his merch. Not one thing about Christ or the Gospel, but Doug saying, "Look at MY book." "Look at ME. I am the most hated pastor." "Look at ME with Tucker Carlson." "Look at ME on the Babylon Bee." Even more notable was that there was no way to contact him unless it was to buy his stuff. This is the online equivalent of using the temple as a marketplace. I cringe at the thought of how many non-believers clicked the link only to see his sales pitch.
I agree. I used to be all in for all the political activism. However, I have come to recognize that we have a spiritual problem in this country, primarily caused by the church's too-carnal approach to civic responsibilities. The answer is not more politics or using Christian Nationalism to further smother the Great Commission. If we had spent the last fifty years trying to change hearts instead of changing candidates or laws, we would be in a much better situation now. We have been way more concerned with people's temporal actions than their eternal destination and have ended up losing on both counts.
I’m always amazed at the historical people used to justify CN we’re usually Roman Catholic, and these guys are reformed. They also believe in the sovereign election of God ( as do I) , yet act like Arminians in their heavy handed ideas of taking power under a Christian Prince. It just doesn’t add up
It seems that we have to choose our non-sequiturs. Not everything in the actual Bible- real message to real people regenerated by the Spirit is going to make sense to the average hearer. But “making sense“ is not the final endgame of the word of God. But it doesn’t mean it’s not intellectual. The goal of this command is love. That would come across as a non sequitur to a CN person. But yet they got to manufacture non sequiturs all the way to the bank.
1:08:00 oof! Oh no, what a sore example of the great commission! My name! My name! Buy my book! Follow me! Where's the gospel? Where's the persuasion to call sinners to repentance? I ised to like Doug Wilson until i heard his views on theonomy and the constitution... but once i started looking for problems, 💯 more showed up, he's more of a cult leader than a pastor or evangelist. Very erudite though.
"Take heed and first fill the world with real Christians before you attempt to rule it in a Christian and evangelical manner. This you will never accomplish; for the world and the masses are and always will be un-Christian...Therefore, it is out of the question that there should be a common Christian government over the whole world, or indeed over a single country or any considerable body of people, for the wicked always outnumber the good." - Martin Luther
I would agree with the definition if you dropped "power and control" and replaced them with "influence and service". Christ taught us that the greatest among us shall be the servant of all, not the ruler."
I see no problem with responsible political activism as a second order activity, and doing as unto the Lord. Ours is, by design, a participatory system, to shirk that responsibility us irresponsible. You don't need to be postmill, nor do you neeed to seek power. You HAVE power, and to give it up flippantly is irresponsible. But all power, in the hands if a believer, should be laid at Jesus's feet... amd nobe od this demands that the belkever use that power to compell submission in orhers via that power. That's an abuse of power. I think the role of politics foe a Christian in America is to fight to keep our neital space, so that the state has no force for or against the influence of the gospel in people, so that the people may freely worship by conscience... if the culture fails, it must not be because we slept on this. But it also shouldn't be because we seized power and pressured it. Piety CANNOT be won by force. In that sebse i agree with your example of a pastor who taught that we should be victorious ove culture. Thats a natural byproduct of the great commission... not postmill, but organically in any eschatology. But this doesnt mean we MAKE nations Christian. As premill, i think amy attempt to do such is DOOMED, but regardless tje gospel is powerful and we can ans should expect to see real social change when we really obey. The imperative to fight is SPIRITUAL warfare. We can and WILL win every supernatural war if we do ir seriously. But doing so can and will engebder backlash. Sometimes this willl look like commmunist china. Thats a VERY Christian nation, but the atate there is in open warfare against the faith of tge church there. But we aren't communists, so nothing stops our country from reflecting our faitj except 2 things: the decadance of our culture... and... scisms in the church. We fail because we are worldly. Christian Nationalism is evidence of our worldly failures because we don't internalize the spiritual war, it insist of externalizing it... and we will necessarily fail that war because of hypocrisy.
I listened to the three-part series over the past week and found it incredibly helpful. With the term "Christian Nationalism" likely to be a buzzword during the election season, it is important for us to learn more about it in order to have better discernment.
I was mortified when looking at the Christ is Lord site. Here is a creative idea using a billboard and ads to bring attention to Christ and a great potential avenue to inform a curious non-believer and it is only a guy plugging his merch.
Not one thing about Christ or the Gospel, but Doug saying, "Look at MY book." "Look at ME. I am the most hated pastor." "Look at ME with Tucker Carlson." "Look at ME on the Babylon Bee." Even more notable was that there was no way to contact him unless it was to buy his stuff.
This is the online equivalent of using the temple as a marketplace. I cringe at the thought of how many non-believers clicked the link only to see his sales pitch.
I agree. I used to be all in for all the political activism. However, I have come to recognize that we have a spiritual problem in this country, primarily caused by the church's too-carnal approach to civic responsibilities. The answer is not more politics or using Christian Nationalism to further smother the Great Commission. If we had spent the last fifty years trying to change hearts instead of changing candidates or laws, we would be in a much better situation now. We have been way more concerned with people's temporal actions than their eternal destination and have ended up losing on both counts.
I’m always amazed at the historical people used to justify CN we’re usually Roman Catholic, and these guys are reformed. They also believe in the sovereign election of God ( as do I) , yet act like Arminians in their heavy handed ideas of taking power under a Christian Prince. It just doesn’t add up
It seems that we have to choose our non-sequiturs. Not everything in the actual Bible- real message to real people regenerated by the Spirit is going to make sense to the average hearer. But “making sense“ is not the final endgame of the word of God. But it doesn’t mean it’s not intellectual. The goal of this command is love. That would come across as a non sequitur to a CN person. But yet they got to manufacture non sequiturs all the way to the bank.
1:08:00 oof! Oh no, what a sore example of the great commission! My name! My name! Buy my book! Follow me! Where's the gospel? Where's the persuasion to call sinners to repentance?
I ised to like Doug Wilson until i heard his views on theonomy and the constitution... but once i started looking for problems, 💯 more showed up, he's more of a cult leader than a pastor or evangelist.
Very erudite though.
"Take heed and first fill the world with real Christians before you attempt to rule it in a Christian and evangelical manner. This you will never accomplish; for the world and the masses are and always will be un-Christian...Therefore, it is out of the question that there should be a common Christian government over the whole world, or indeed over a single country or any considerable body of people, for the wicked always outnumber the good." - Martin Luther
I just wish he lived out the implications of what he said
I would agree with the definition if you dropped "power and control" and replaced them with "influence and service". Christ taught us that the greatest among us shall be the servant of all, not the ruler."
I see no problem with responsible political activism as a second order activity, and doing as unto the Lord. Ours is, by design, a participatory system, to shirk that responsibility us irresponsible. You don't need to be postmill, nor do you neeed to seek power. You HAVE power, and to give it up flippantly is irresponsible. But all power, in the hands if a believer, should be laid at Jesus's feet... amd nobe od this demands that the belkever use that power to compell submission in orhers via that power. That's an abuse of power. I think the role of politics foe a Christian in America is to fight to keep our neital space, so that the state has no force for or against the influence of the gospel in people, so that the people may freely worship by conscience... if the culture fails, it must not be because we slept on this. But it also shouldn't be because we seized power and pressured it. Piety CANNOT be won by force.
In that sebse i agree with your example of a pastor who taught that we should be victorious ove culture. Thats a natural byproduct of the great commission... not postmill, but organically in any eschatology. But this doesnt mean we MAKE nations Christian. As premill, i think amy attempt to do such is DOOMED, but regardless tje gospel is powerful and we can ans should expect to see real social change when we really obey.
The imperative to fight is SPIRITUAL warfare. We can and WILL win every supernatural war if we do ir seriously. But doing so can and will engebder backlash. Sometimes this willl look like commmunist china. Thats a VERY Christian nation, but the atate there is in open warfare against the faith of tge church there. But we aren't communists, so nothing stops our country from reflecting our faitj except 2 things: the decadance of our culture... and... scisms in the church. We fail because we are worldly.
Christian Nationalism is evidence of our worldly failures because we don't internalize the spiritual war, it insist of externalizing it... and we will necessarily fail that war because of hypocrisy.