Thanks for doing this! It's always really nice to see people enjoying these games that we put so much work into :) My favourite is Lisboa or Kanban, depending on the day :p
Thank you for watching, Ian! We love all the work you do to make our games look beautiful! Also love that you play games as well. Hope to see you again soon. Will you be at Spiel this year?
@@ianotoolevideo seriously- these games are only as good to play because of your work, Ian. You've raised the bar on the intersection of functional and beautiful graphic and art design for heavy games, because you love the games too and playtest your art and design.
Thanks for the shout out. Love you guys. Vital’s games require repeated plays to fully appreciate the beauty of each design. My focus as a developer has been ensuring timing tension, tough decisions, and rewarding good planning. Vital’s games really shine if all players at the table have wrapped their heads around the design. This is apparent if you ever had the chance to observe game development with Vital’s loyal playtesters. The semi cooperative elements you don’t care for in CO2 are present in other gems on your list like Kanban. This is what delivers great tense gameplay experiences. Thanks for doing this. I value your opinions. My favorites are Kanban, The Gallerist, Weather Machine and Lisboa but I love them all.
CO2 Second Chance can be played fully coop, so it solved/fixed all the issues we had with the original CO2's semi-coop mode. Very satisfying Lacerda-level coop problem-solving.
Lisboa was my first Lacerda game and it remains my favourite. You're absolutely right to give credit to the rulebook(s) - for Lisboa it was both incredibly well explained and acted as a mini history lesson (which further cemented the mechanics for me). O'Toole's iconography and graphic design on the game is also, IMO, some of his best work. Images really don't do the game's visuals justice!
Vital games are my absolute favorite and no other designers come close. These are luxury board games for heavy gamers. Here's my list: 1.) On Mars (keep playing it until it really clicks! It is such a rush to crush it the last number of turns with cascading actions. Epic strategy at its best.) 2.) Kanban EV (best for new comings in my opinion) 3.) Lisboa 4.) Weather Machine 5.) Vinhos 2010 6.) Escape Plan 7.) The Gallarist (I need to play this more.) The top six are in my top ten. I haven't played CO2 because I am not a big fan of coop games.
This was one of the most enjoyable "top __ board games" I have watched. It was informative and pleasant. It doesn't hurt that I love Lacerda games. I am REALLY looking forward to Speakeasy!
Fantastic video! Seems like you had a dream weekend 🤩 Vital's designs are so good! So thematic. Its very tight but I think Lisboa is my favourite, one of my all time favourite games!
Great lists, this is a video I’ve been looking forward to you doing. I feel like there are three clear ‘divisions’ of his games for me. Top tier are On Mars, Lisboa and Kanban (all in my top ten all time). Second tier are Vinhos, CO2 and Escape Plan (all in my top 50). Third tier are The Gallerist and Weather Machine (both in my top 100). For whatever reason the themes in the last two didn’t hit home quite as much (that may change with Weather Machine as it’s still new). On the other hand I went into Escape Plan with much lower expectations as it wasn’t quite as crunchy, but found it thematically quite compelling and was pleasantly surprised. I guess Vital is a bit like pizza - even when he’s ‘bad’ he’s still pretty great. Thanks again for the content.
Great ranking. I've just started diving in to Lacerda myself. Been learning Lisboa the past few days and have On Mars up next. So far Kanban and Weather Machine have been my favorites, though I've really enjoyed Vinhos and the Gallerist as well. Like you guys say, the ranking can change at any moment!
Thank you for the video. Lacerda is a great designer and I love all of his Eagle-Gryphon games equally. But if I had to rank them I think it would be: 1) Weather Machine (because it's the newest one and I still feel like I'm exploring it) 2) Kanban EV (it is also newish and I would like to explore it some more) 3) On Mars (the first Lacerda I played and fell in love immediately) 4) Escape plan (I think this game is clever and has some interesting choices with managing you notoriety) 5) The gallerist (I like the 4 workers bumping each other out constantly, but the area majority is my least favorite part) 6) Lisboa (I know it's his magnum opus but I don't love it as much as the others) 7) Vonhos (I played it for the first time recently and I did not enjoy it. I have to play it some more)
Great list. I think my bottom three are the same. For me it's #1 On Mars #2 Kanvan EV #3 Lisboa #4 Vinhos #5 Weather Machine #6 The Gallerist #7 Co2 #8 Escape Plan
Yay what timing! Coincidentally Tom Vasel just named Lacerta players as part of his top five things he's tired of in board gaming on the Dice Tower today. 😂
What Lacerda to start with: If you have played Terraforming mars and know it well it think On Mars is not that far of a logical leap it was pretty easy to learn with the similar concepts. Own several Lacerda's but On Mars is the only one to have been played due to the difficulty to table.
Your rankings are very helpful. Thank you. I recently obtained his co- designed “ BOT Factory” ( which is KanBan light). I am pleased to know you both rate Kan Ban EV higher on your lists. I purchased BOT factory with the dual hope it will be a good introduction to Lacerda, plus be a good medium light game ( by his standards) in its own right. I don’t know if I will ever purchase another Lacerda game, but probably “ Lisboa” would be my choice. 👍
Hello , Greetings from Germany. I'm a big Vital lacerda fan. however, I haven't managed to play Weather Machine yet. my previous top list looks like this; 7. Escape Plan (feels a bit like Oceans 11) 6. On Mars (6th place sounds so bad, it's not at all. on mars is a great game, but I prefer to play the others) 5. Co 2- second editon ( very thematic, difficult to master, very pretty) 4. Vinhos (a great beginner's game in the Lacerda games) 3. The Gallerist 2. Lisboa (also very thematic and well implemented) 1. Kanban (the first version, I really like the Sandra options and the shift mechanism)
Bought, played, then donated nearly all the Lacerda games. Lisboa still reins supreme and stays in my collection (the only Lacerda in my collection today.) Brilliant game.
Yep, if I were going to play two Lacerdas they would indeed be Lisboa and Kanban EV. I think you are both very good evaluators of games. Plus entertaining!
My list ;-) After playing 7 of them 1) On Mars 2) Kanban EV 3) Vinhos 4) The Gallerist 5) Lisboa 6) Co2 7) Escape Plan And I have to apologize for not getting the rules for Lisboa :D After 4 hours sleep that night and after playing Kanban EV and The Gallerist, my brain didn't work anymore :D
I just bought my first Lacerda and I went with Kanban EV. Very excited to try it. A few other channels ranked Kanban and Lisboa as their favorites so Lisboa is probably going to be my 2nd if everything goes well.
My favourite designer for sure! + artwork from Ian and production from Eagle-Gryphon = dream games! 🙃 New Lacerdas coming to kickstarter this year, is that what you mean in the end of the video? 😲
Vinhos 2016 for me! It is in my top 25 games of all time! The Gallerist ranks lowest. I find it more frustrating than fun. I wonder how it would be with fewer players though. Lisboa is very fascinating though I am utterly terrible at it! I want to play it again. I haven’t played any other Lacerda’s.
I so wanted to love Lacerda games, despite having tried The Gallerist when I was quite new to games and totally not getting it. So last year I borrowed Lisboa from a friend a played a couple times... It just felt really dull to me! And that's many people's favourite! Do I just need to accept his games are not for me? Or should I try one more?! Most the games you guys like I like as well!
I do think that CO2 is a bit misunderstood. Full disclosure, CO2: Second Chance is not only my favorite Lacerda, but also my favorite game of all time. Semi-coop is a bit of an exaggeration, imo. You are definitely trying to win. The coop part is just making sure everyone doesn't lose due to the pollution track. When I play CO2, I don't go into it thinking we are cooperating in any other way than just making sure we are getting green power plants on the board and removing fossil fuel plants where possible, but everything else, from completing summits, gaining knowledge, controlling regions, etc. is me furthering my agenda. But overall I just love the gameplay, specifically the competitive version. I have nothing against the full coop mode, I'm just not a fan of coops, apart from I wish the rulebook was written the opposite way. The rules start out with the full coop rules and then add rules changes for the competitive mode later, whereas I wish it was fully written for competitive, with addendums for the coop. All that to say, I definitely feel CO2: Second Chance competitive mode is underappreciated, underrated, and definitely deserves more love.
CO2 is the only Lacerda I culled. Still a good game, I'd just rather play another Lacerda instead. Also shoutout to Ian O'Toole who makes the EGG games look beautiful.
My ranking: Haven't played - C02 - very little interest in semi-co-op, maybe I'll try solo one day. 7. Escape Plan 6. The Gallerist - and this is still a top 50 game for me overall 5. Kanban 4. Vinhos 3. Weather Machine 2. Lisboa 1. On Mars Would happily play any of them any time. Really looking forward to Inventions. What was the hidden gem you mentioned that uses the Kanban worker placement?
I don't agree that Escape Plan is any easier than his other games. In fact, it's anti-thematic nature makes it one of the harder games to learn in ny opinion. It just doesn’t make sense. I do agree that it is his worst (and the only one I actually think is bad). 5: Escape Plan (4/10) 4: Gallerist (7/10) 3: Kanban EV (8/10) 2: Co2 (8/10) 1: Lisboa (10/10)
I love Kanban and Lisboa, not to mention the later's depth and completeness with such complexity! But among them only Escape Plan gives me the excitement of exploration and it's also highly thematic. Maybe I would give Escape Plan a higher rank cause its uniqueness and party game-like feeling😆! Love this episode! Looking forward to more of it!!
Somehow not very keen on Vinhos, yet. Would the Gallerist be a good place to start for Lacerda's games? That's the theme that sits well with everyone who is keen on playing :)
I've only tried Vinhos out of his games, I found the mechanics interesting, but for me personally I felt it didn't allow me enough turns to get into it before the game was over, and that felt like a big letdown. I don't mind tightness in games, but I have to say limited amount of turns is probably my least favourite form of tightness. I don't know if that is just Vinhos or if this is a tendency with his games overall, but I will probably not get a chance to compare them since his games are just so expensive (the copy of Vinhos I tried was the 2010 one since it's what I could second hand for a decent price) and I don't want to shell out what I could spend on 2-3 other games on something that I have no way of knowing if it's even my wheelhouse. I've heard all the praise, but after actually getting my hands on and trying out one of his games, it's made me just more skeptical.
Not all games are for everyone, and that is completely fine! 2010 Vinhos is (in my experience) the absolutele tightest of his designs! If you come across someone who has any of his games, give them a go! Might be fun, or might npt be for you! :)
on mars is all my all time fave game, thank you for making this video. However, I also love Escape Plan! Idk why folks dont love it, it felt very Lacerda to me. My ranking is 1. On Mars 2. Weather Machine 3. Kanban EV 4. The Gallerist 5. Escape Plan 6. Vinhos 2010 Havent played Lisboa or CO2 yet
About half of ourpodcast loves Lacerda's and the others avoid them because they melt your brain. We all have our different favourites but I agree Lisboa is an elegant masterpiece of a game (JP) but others in the pod are The Gallerist (Adrian) and Weather Machine (Davey's). We've been also lucky to preview Inventions: Evolution of Ideas and that's going to be a cracker, interesting game.
@@whoseturnpodcast Lacerda is THE WORST designer of 'games'. Appallingly LOW replay value. And redacted people think he's a genius, because they feel clever (isn't that cute 🥹 ) for wasting time with 'system mastery', which is the ONLY thing his designs have, to be about.
I know I'm in good company when we have the exact same taste in Lacerda games. I could probably get rid of everything other than Lisboa and Kanban EV and be completely satisfied. I want to like Weather Machine more, but as you say, it's just too "same-y" and I can get the same vibe from those other two if that's what I'm looking for. Having said that, it's hard to want to get rid of it because it's so pretty and the components are so amazing...
You need to play the New Version of Vinhos. Then it is like Gallerist with the weight but without the extra turns. So then it is the Starting Lacerda for new players. For CO2 i really like the new second Chance. But you have to do some tweaks to the game. Bgg - Lacerda hinself wrote sonethibg to this. Then it is a very cool competetiv game. With some cooperativ components.
I did not play Escape Plan, CO2 and Weather Machine. Same top 3 than Johannes without order. Eventually, The Gallerist is the one I mastered better ❤ 😉
My ranking of the Lacerdas - On Mars > Kanban EV > Weather Machine > Vinhos > Lisboa. I haven't played The Gallerist, CO2, or Escape Plan. Lisboa just didn't click for me, I do want to give it another try with a different teacher and see if that improves the game/experience for me.
@@BoardGamingRamblings You can play it either cooperatively or competitively. We play it competitively, though if you don’t work together at least initially you’ll likely lose.
@@BoardGamingRamblings no. there's 2 sides of the board coop and competitive. the coop side is suprisingly fun and HARD. and it's just a door to the compettive horror :)
Thanks for doing this! It's always really nice to see people enjoying these games that we put so much work into :) My favourite is Lisboa or Kanban, depending on the day :p
Your art work really makes these games sing.
Thanks for your sterling work on these games (and others). It really elevates the games.
Thank you for watching, Ian! We love all the work you do to make our games look beautiful! Also love that you play games as well. Hope to see you again soon. Will you be at Spiel this year?
@@BoardGamingRamblings Yep, I'll be there!
@@ianotoolevideo seriously- these games are only as good to play because of your work, Ian. You've raised the bar on the intersection of functional and beautiful graphic and art design for heavy games, because you love the games too and playtest your art and design.
YESSSSSS!!!! 😁
So much fun to play all these fantastic games in one weekend! Thank you so much for watching! 🤩
Love that now both my favourite board game content creator couples have done their Lacerda rankings. Y'all Rock
Thanks for the shout out. Love you guys. Vital’s games require repeated plays to fully appreciate the beauty of each design. My focus as a developer has been ensuring timing tension, tough decisions, and rewarding good planning. Vital’s games really shine if all players at the table have wrapped their heads around the design. This is apparent if you ever had the chance to observe game development with Vital’s loyal playtesters. The semi cooperative elements you don’t care for in CO2 are present in other gems on your list like Kanban. This is what delivers great tense gameplay experiences. Thanks for doing this. I value your opinions. My favorites are Kanban, The Gallerist, Weather Machine and Lisboa but I love them all.
Thank you so much for taking the time to play the games and ranking them!! ☺
Thank you for publishing such beautiful and fantastic games!
CO2 Second Chance can be played fully coop, so it solved/fixed all the issues we had with the original CO2's semi-coop mode. Very satisfying Lacerda-level coop problem-solving.
My favorite game is also Lisboa, the city where I live, all the public buildings are real places in Lisbon 👍
Lisboa was my first Lacerda game and it remains my favourite. You're absolutely right to give credit to the rulebook(s) - for Lisboa it was both incredibly well explained and acted as a mini history lesson (which further cemented the mechanics for me). O'Toole's iconography and graphic design on the game is also, IMO, some of his best work. Images really don't do the game's visuals justice!
Vital games are my absolute favorite and no other designers come close. These are luxury board games for heavy gamers.
Here's my list:
1.) On Mars (keep playing it until it really clicks! It is such a rush to crush it the last number of turns with cascading actions. Epic strategy at its best.)
2.) Kanban EV (best for new comings in my opinion)
3.) Lisboa
4.) Weather Machine
5.) Vinhos 2010
6.) Escape Plan
7.) The Gallarist (I need to play this more.)
The top six are in my top ten.
I haven't played CO2 because I am not a big fan of coop games.
This was one of the most enjoyable "top __ board games" I have watched. It was informative and pleasant. It doesn't hurt that I love Lacerda games. I am REALLY looking forward to Speakeasy!
Thank you so much! That means a lot 🤩 I am always excited for more Lacerda 😁
Fantastic video! Seems like you had a dream weekend 🤩 Vital's designs are so good! So thematic. Its very tight but I think Lisboa is my favourite, one of my all time favourite games!
Glad you liked it 🤩 I am always super excited when he has a new game out!
Great lists, this is a video I’ve been looking forward to you doing.
I feel like there are three clear ‘divisions’ of his games for me. Top tier are On Mars, Lisboa and Kanban (all in my top ten all time). Second tier are Vinhos, CO2 and Escape Plan (all in my top 50). Third tier are The Gallerist and Weather Machine (both in my top 100).
For whatever reason the themes in the last two didn’t hit home quite as much (that may change with Weather Machine as it’s still new). On the other hand I went into Escape Plan with much lower expectations as it wasn’t quite as crunchy, but found it thematically quite compelling and was pleasantly surprised. I guess Vital is a bit like pizza - even when he’s ‘bad’ he’s still pretty great.
Thanks again for the content.
Great ranking. I've just started diving in to Lacerda myself. Been learning Lisboa the past few days and have On Mars up next. So far Kanban and Weather Machine have been my favorites, though I've really enjoyed Vinhos and the Gallerist as well. Like you guys say, the ranking can change at any moment!
Thanks for sharing! Fun to hear you are getting into his games, and super happy to hear that you are enjoying them!
Thank you for the video. Lacerda is a great designer and I love all of his Eagle-Gryphon games equally. But if I had to rank them I think it would be:
1) Weather Machine (because it's the newest one and I still feel like I'm exploring it)
2) Kanban EV (it is also newish and I would like to explore it some more)
3) On Mars (the first Lacerda I played and fell in love immediately)
4) Escape plan (I think this game is clever and has some interesting choices with managing you notoriety)
5) The gallerist (I like the 4 workers bumping each other out constantly, but the area majority is my least favorite part)
6) Lisboa (I know it's his magnum opus but I don't love it as much as the others)
7) Vonhos (I played it for the first time recently and I did not enjoy it. I have to play it some more)
My first Lacerda’s was Lisboa. Love it. Now I just got The Gallerist and I’m learning it. Ah, and I played Escape Plan, which it was good fun!
Great list. I think my bottom three are the same. For me it's #1 On Mars #2 Kanvan EV #3 Lisboa #4 Vinhos #5 Weather Machine #6 The Gallerist #7 Co2 #8 Escape Plan
Fantastic list! Thanks for sharing 😁
Yay what timing! Coincidentally Tom Vasel just named Lacerta players as part of his top five things he's tired of in board gaming on the Dice Tower today. 😂
I've never played a Lacerta myself but I know I would love On Mars.
What Lacerda to start with: If you have played Terraforming mars and know it well it think On Mars is not that far of a logical leap it was pretty easy to learn with the similar concepts. Own several Lacerda's but On Mars is the only one to have been played due to the difficulty to table.
Your rankings are very helpful. Thank you. I recently obtained his co- designed “ BOT Factory” ( which is KanBan light). I am pleased to know you both rate Kan Ban EV higher on your lists. I purchased BOT factory with the dual hope it will be a good introduction to Lacerda, plus be a good medium light game ( by his standards) in its own right. I don’t know if I will ever purchase another Lacerda game, but probably “ Lisboa” would be my choice. 👍
Hello ,
Greetings from Germany.
I'm a big Vital lacerda fan.
however, I haven't managed to play Weather Machine yet.
my previous top list looks like this;
7. Escape Plan (feels a bit like Oceans 11)
6. On Mars (6th place sounds so bad, it's not at all. on mars is a great game, but I prefer to play the others)
5. Co 2- second editon ( very thematic, difficult to master, very pretty)
4. Vinhos (a great beginner's game in the Lacerda games)
3. The Gallerist
2. Lisboa (also very thematic and well implemented)
1. Kanban (the first version, I really like the Sandra options and the shift mechanism)
Similar list from both of you and close to mine. I think I lean towards Johannes list. Lisboa is my favorite game and On Mars breaks my brain!
had the subtitles on: "hello this is Cinema and Johannes" haha 😛
Bought, played, then donated nearly all the Lacerda games. Lisboa still reins supreme and stays in my collection (the only Lacerda in my collection today.) Brilliant game.
Lisboa is so, so good! Glad to hear you’re enjoying it 🥳
Yep, if I were going to play two Lacerdas they would indeed be Lisboa and Kanban EV. I think you are both very good evaluators of games. Plus entertaining!
Thank you for the kind words! Glad you emjoyed the video 😁
@@BoardGamingRamblings I would certainly be willing to give On Mars a try, though.
My list ;-) After playing 7 of them
1) On Mars
2) Kanban EV
3) Vinhos
4) The Gallerist
5) Lisboa
6) Co2
7) Escape Plan
And I have to apologize for not getting the rules for Lisboa :D After 4 hours sleep that night and after playing Kanban EV and The Gallerist, my brain didn't work anymore :D
We can still be friends, even though you don’t like Lisboa 😂
Thank you for a fantastic weekend 🤩
Your request to get a victory point ingenuous , I subscribed
Glad you liked our little weird way of asking 🤩 Welcome to the channel!
I just bought my first Lacerda and I went with Kanban EV. Very excited to try it. A few other channels ranked Kanban and Lisboa as their favorites so Lisboa is probably going to be my 2nd if everything goes well.
My favourite designer for sure! + artwork from Ian and production from Eagle-Gryphon = dream games! 🙃 New Lacerdas coming to kickstarter this year, is that what you mean in the end of the video? 😲
Vinhos 2016 for me! It is in my top 25 games of all time!
The Gallerist ranks lowest. I find it more frustrating than fun. I wonder how it would be with fewer players though.
Lisboa is very fascinating though I am utterly terrible at it! I want to play it again. I haven’t played any other Lacerda’s.
I want to play 2016 again soon! Thanls for sharing your picks 🤩
I so wanted to love Lacerda games, despite having tried The Gallerist when I was quite new to games and totally not getting it. So last year I borrowed Lisboa from a friend a played a couple times... It just felt really dull to me! And that's many people's favourite! Do I just need to accept his games are not for me? Or should I try one more?! Most the games you guys like I like as well!
Lacerda designs suck. You're not missing anything
I do think that CO2 is a bit misunderstood. Full disclosure, CO2: Second Chance is not only my favorite Lacerda, but also my favorite game of all time. Semi-coop is a bit of an exaggeration, imo. You are definitely trying to win. The coop part is just making sure everyone doesn't lose due to the pollution track. When I play CO2, I don't go into it thinking we are cooperating in any other way than just making sure we are getting green power plants on the board and removing fossil fuel plants where possible, but everything else, from completing summits, gaining knowledge, controlling regions, etc. is me furthering my agenda. But overall I just love the gameplay, specifically the competitive version. I have nothing against the full coop mode, I'm just not a fan of coops, apart from I wish the rulebook was written the opposite way. The rules start out with the full coop rules and then add rules changes for the competitive mode later, whereas I wish it was fully written for competitive, with addendums for the coop. All that to say, I definitely feel CO2: Second Chance competitive mode is underappreciated, underrated, and definitely deserves more love.
Thank you for this comment! Everything you write makes a lot of sense :) It might still not be a game for me, but I appreciate what you are saying!
Now I want to play all my Lacerda games…
CO2 is the only Lacerda I culled. Still a good game, I'd just rather play another Lacerda instead.
Also shoutout to Ian O'Toole who makes the EGG games look beautiful.
This is what I call great content :) Out of curiosity: do you play with the Queen card in Lisboa?
We do own it, but haven’t played with it! :) Glad you enjoyed the video!
I like the bank mechanism in Vinhos 2010 ... but the expert tiles are sorta broken in that version.
Oh, they are? It’s been so long since I played 2016, I cannot remember the difference! I like the bank myself, it just makes the game so, so tight 😅
@@BoardGamingRamblings I felt that all you cared about was the color of the expert. It's benefit basically didn't matter.
My ranking:
Haven't played - C02 - very little interest in semi-co-op, maybe I'll try solo one day.
7. Escape Plan
6. The Gallerist - and this is still a top 50 game for me overall
5. Kanban
4. Vinhos
3. Weather Machine
2. Lisboa
1. On Mars
Would happily play any of them any time. Really looking forward to Inventions.
What was the hidden gem you mentioned that uses the Kanban worker placement?
Great list! Thank you for sharing 🤩
The game we talked about was Watch! Fantastic little game!
Kanban & Lisboa deserve on the top-list position
I love all these. Unfortunately everybody in game group don't want to take time to learn.
My number 1 is weather machine, kanban ev, escape plan and on mars. I only have 4.❤
Glad you are enjoying them! Such good games :D
I don't agree that Escape Plan is any easier than his other games. In fact, it's anti-thematic nature makes it one of the harder games to learn in ny opinion. It just doesn’t make sense. I do agree that it is his worst (and the only one I actually think is bad).
5: Escape Plan (4/10)
4: Gallerist (7/10)
3: Kanban EV (8/10)
2: Co2 (8/10)
1: Lisboa (10/10)
I love Kanban and Lisboa, not to mention the later's depth and completeness with such complexity! But among them only Escape Plan gives me the excitement of exploration and it's also highly thematic. Maybe I would give Escape Plan a higher rank cause its uniqueness and party game-like feeling😆! Love this episode! Looking forward to more of it!!
Thank you for watching, and for sharing 🥳
One of the biggest 'holes' in my game collection is the lack of a Lacerda game. I really need to remedy this.
A ramblings video on Vinhos 2010 vs 2016?
Might be a fun one! We’ll have to play 2016 pretty soon to remember them both, and I don’t know if we can fit that, but we might try!
Lisboa is my favorite too
It’s so much fun 🤩
Somehow not very keen on Vinhos, yet. Would the Gallerist be a good place to start for Lacerda's games? That's the theme that sits well with everyone who is keen on playing :)
Great video! Have you tried any of the solo modes? If so, which is your favorite Lacerda for solo?
I've only tried Vinhos out of his games, I found the mechanics interesting, but for me personally I felt it didn't allow me enough turns to get into it before the game was over, and that felt like a big letdown. I don't mind tightness in games, but I have to say limited amount of turns is probably my least favourite form of tightness. I don't know if that is just Vinhos or if this is a tendency with his games overall, but I will probably not get a chance to compare them since his games are just so expensive (the copy of Vinhos I tried was the 2010 one since it's what I could second hand for a decent price) and I don't want to shell out what I could spend on 2-3 other games on something that I have no way of knowing if it's even my wheelhouse. I've heard all the praise, but after actually getting my hands on and trying out one of his games, it's made me just more skeptical.
Not all games are for everyone, and that is completely fine!
2010 Vinhos is (in my experience) the absolutele tightest of his designs!
If you come across someone who has any of his games, give them a go! Might be fun, or might npt be for you! :)
on mars is all my all time fave game, thank you for making this video. However, I also love Escape Plan! Idk why folks dont love it, it felt very Lacerda to me. My ranking is
1. On Mars
2. Weather Machine
3. Kanban EV
4. The Gallerist
5. Escape Plan
6. Vinhos 2010
Havent played Lisboa or CO2 yet
Would your list change if you're thinking on best 2p Lacerda's?
Mine have bounced around a bit over time, but of what I've played, it's currently 1. Kanban 2. Lisboa 3. On Mars 4. Escape Plan 5. The Gallerist
About half of ourpodcast loves Lacerda's and the others avoid them because they melt your brain. We all have our different favourites but I agree Lisboa is an elegant masterpiece of a game (JP) but others in the pod are The Gallerist (Adrian) and Weather Machine (Davey's). We've been also lucky to preview Inventions: Evolution of Ideas and that's going to be a cracker, interesting game.
You've got to be redacted to call that elegant
@@coltonbeatty6117 not a fan then 🙂
@@whoseturnpodcast Lacerda is THE WORST designer of 'games'. Appallingly LOW replay value. And redacted people think he's a genius, because they feel clever (isn't that cute 🥹 ) for wasting time with 'system mastery', which is the ONLY thing his designs have, to be about.
I know I'm in good company when we have the exact same taste in Lacerda games. I could probably get rid of everything other than Lisboa and Kanban EV and be completely satisfied.
I want to like Weather Machine more, but as you say, it's just too "same-y" and I can get the same vibe from those other two if that's what I'm looking for. Having said that, it's hard to want to get rid of it because it's so pretty and the components are so amazing...
You need to play the New Version of Vinhos. Then it is like Gallerist with the weight but without the extra turns. So then it is the Starting Lacerda for new players.
For CO2 i really like the new second Chance. But you have to do some tweaks to the game. Bgg - Lacerda hinself wrote sonethibg to this. Then it is a very cool competetiv game. With some cooperativ components.
We have the new version, but I personally enjoy the original ruleset with the bank more :)
I did not play Escape Plan, CO2 and Weather Machine. Same top 3 than Johannes without order. Eventually, The Gallerist is the one I mastered better ❤ 😉
Escape plan is so underrated...... How many plays do you have? :)
It’s been years since I played it, but it just wasn’t for us! Super happy that other people are liking it :)
in which number would be Inventions? 😮
Did you rank Lisboa?
Yes, absolutely :)
My ranking of the Lacerdas - On Mars > Kanban EV > Weather Machine > Vinhos > Lisboa. I haven't played The Gallerist, CO2, or Escape Plan. Lisboa just didn't click for me, I do want to give it another try with a different teacher and see if that improves the game/experience for me.
Sad to hear Lisboa wasn’t a hit for you! :( I am filled with happiness each time I play it 😅
@@BoardGamingRamblings I didn't dislike it, I just felt that same "couldn't do anything" feeling. Needs another play!
Which one works better solo?
We sadly haven’t played any of them solo, so I cannot help you there! 😕
@@BoardGamingRamblings thanks for your reply! And 2 players?
And now with Inventions, your're going to have to redo this video!
Haha, I think we’ll wait until there is a couple more to include ;)
I think Co2 Second Chance is way better.
It’s full coop, right? Which is then the reason we’ll never own it 😅
@@BoardGamingRamblings You can play it either cooperatively or competitively. We play it competitively, though if you don’t work together at least initially you’ll likely lose.
@@BoardGamingRamblings no. there's 2 sides of the board coop and competitive. the coop side is suprisingly fun and HARD. and it's just a door to the compettive horror :)
kanban is much nicer compared to lisboa
I love them both, but Lisboa will always be special to me! Ps: Love your gba picture!
It’s so hard to rank some of them….
1st
Woop woop 🤩
Great video, but I would have liked some commentary about scaling. Are any of these good for 2P?
Most, if not all, of Lacerdas games are fantastic at 2p!