Why I FEAR For The 5th Gen Remakes - Pokemon Black & White Remake Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 3 май 2022
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Instead of remakes for Gen 5, I feel like they should just make a B&W 3. That way they could follow the traits of what the remakes have done with updated graphics, a nostalgic return to Unova and reusing elements from past games past Gen 5 AND avoid the games being too faithful/too different from the previous entry. Plus I think it’s fitting for this Gen considering instead of a third release, we got B&W 2. Though realistic, I am expecting a remake of B&W.
I’d LOVE a Black & White 3. Honestly I’d love to have the Aestheticig actually Gen 5 but with the switch’s power and graphics.
Sadly theyre gonna likely milk the idea of remakes for all eternity, but now at least we could get a legends type game of Unova where they actually try so hope thats good
Black & White 3 would be so cool!
As much as I'd love the idea of B/W3, it won't happen, we'll just get whatever is the least effort and cost for them to crap out quickly.
Idunno I’d prefer a legends Kyurem over a bw3
Honestly it’s so sad how Nintendo and Game Freak tried to make more story driven Pokémon games but fans HATED gen 5 at the time because there “wasn’t old Pokémon” and “the story is too complicated” it’s so dumb…..
Yeah, people are now reaping what they've sowed.
Absolutely what you said!!
All the hate talk for gen 5 at the time kinda back-stabbed Gamefreak, Pokemon & directors, I feel. Even from back then, they’ve been trying to change
@@MarceloZ2 I remember being the one person when gen 5 came out like hey this games pretty cool and everyone else talking about how stupid it looked and not even giving it try mockin the pokemon's designs and stuff i think part of it is when gen 5 came out alot of people i knew were out growing the games but didn't realize it so they were just making fun of it
Pokemon White was my first real Pokemon game and I absolutely loved it. Gen 5 was and still is my favourite. Seeing people hate and mock it was sad and frustrating and now, 10 years later everyone says how it was actually good and I feel kinda like "I TOLD YOU! YOU DIDN'T LISTEN AND LOOK WHERE THAT LED US!"
@@nataliaborys1554 i feel u
I feel like BW&BW2 were complete games that have become iconic in the community for a reason. If its just gonna be a chibi "faithful" remake then I'd honestly prefer them not make them. I'd rather them let us revisit unova as a new game with a new story especially a legends game. We would get to go back to unova but we can see it in a different time and have lots of history building. The same routes would look interesting and exciting to explore yet would have resemblance to the modern region we know. Whatever they do I just want some effort put into it.
Id like to think they’d actually pay attention to the backlash of the previous remakes but thats just wishful thinking 😩
My wishlist for Generation 5 Remakes would be only one, please reveal the true form of kyurem since kyurem only have two additional forms by absorbing the two other dragons, I mean come on, it’s obvious that kyurem is the original dragon because kyurem is said to be stronger than both of his counterparts and kyurem is missing the truth and ideals from his former complete body, so his body is completely frozen and now he’s a dragon/ice type, maybe in Pokémon Black and White Remakes or even Pokémon Black and White 3, they should reveal the true form of kyurem when kyurem is still the original dragon, and in this unified dragon form, kyurem is going to be a pure dragon type with an ability that boosts all dragon, ice, fire and electric type moves and in this form, kyurem is going to have the highest base stat total of all dragon types and the original unified dragon form of kyurem is going to be called unified kyurem or original kyurem, and in the movie even referred kyurem as the strongest dragon type pokemon, so that’s why We are 💯% sure that kyurem is the true original unified dragon. And kyurem needs a new item that allows kyurem to absorb both legendaries to become the true original dragon form of kyurem because kyurem is just so cool.
Or better yet. How about making an Legend: Kyurem?
@@kerrywien6775 or the first three types Pokémon dropping the dragon type for an ability that still powers it up
@@SoulStoryMode it is nintendo and game freak. They probably won't listen a bit. They kinda never do
if they remake gen 5. i really hope they acknowledge that hard mode exists and make it available from the start. XD
knowing tpc and their recent track record... they would probably only remove stuff from the games instead of adding stuff though. its like a 50/50 chance that something like the PWT, Pokestar studios, or even black city/white forest would stay since it would take extra effort :/. bw/2 has so much stuff you could put into a category of "they didn't have to, but they did".
If they remove Pokestar studios Im throwin HANDS
@@SoulStoryMode I'll join ya
My wishlist for Generation 5 Remakes would be only one, please reveal the true form of kyurem since kyurem only have two additional forms by absorbing the two other dragons, I mean come on, it’s obvious that kyurem is the original dragon because kyurem is said to be stronger than both of his counterparts and kyurem is missing the truth and ideals from his former complete body, so his body is completely frozen and now he’s a dragon/ice type, maybe in Pokémon Black and White Remakes or even Pokémon Black and White 3, they should reveal the true form of kyurem when kyurem is still the original dragon, and in this unified dragon form, kyurem is going to be a pure dragon type with an ability that boosts all dragon, ice, fire and electric type moves and in this form, kyurem is going to have the highest base stat total of all dragon types and the original unified dragon form of kyurem is going to be called unified kyurem or original kyurem, and in the movie even referred kyurem as the strongest dragon type pokemon, so that’s why We are 💯% sure that kyurem is the true original unified dragon. And kyurem needs a new item that allows kyurem to absorb both legendaries to become the true original dragon form of kyurem because kyurem is just so cool.
i think the issue is that we keep seeing gamefreak *revisit* instead of *reimagine* or *expand.* legends arceus was so good well in part due to actually adding onto pre existing lore and creating something new, but also having continuity between what already exists. pokemon needs to stop remaking reigons and telling the same story over again, and instead pick up where we left off with something new. i think that's what we all want, deep down. i think it's what they're missing. my ideal unova remakes would not be faithful remakes to the original with everything taking place all over again. i want to see how unova has grown, i want to see how it's changed since b2/w2. i want to see the characters we knew and how they've evolved as people, i want to see it again, but in a new light. i want a new story, something fresh but also familiar.
It showed us that dialga and palkia had original forms as well along with giratina at one point it showed us what happened to spear piller that lead it to what it looks like in dppt/bdsp now I wonder if they do a legends kyurem game will they show us what the original dragon looked like ?
@@toypikachutheoctoling6029 I really do hope that they show us what the original dragon look like. That's if they do something like Legends Kyurem or Legends *insert the original dragon's name here*
I'd be fine if they stopped doing remakes and just did Legends games based in different regions. Unfortunately nostalgia sells. I mean that's basically Nintendo's whole thing. I doubt pokemon would ever change from that.
@@TaqSoto i think legends games are awesome and all but think broader. not just legends, but revisit reigons in ways other than remaking them. any way. imagine a game from the perspective of a team plasma grunt. or a game about looker and anabel and their hectic journey.
@@mellowhateseverybodyandals1289 Well of course I'd like them to do different things but this is Gamefreak and Pokémon we're talking about here. Baby steps. It took them 20+ years to break their formula lol. My expectations for Gamefreak are still rock bottom even after Arceus. They're already backpedalling on some Arceus features for Scarlet and Violet.
Actually the best thing to come out of gen 8 was Legends Arceaus hands down.
Yes, if you talk about main games. If you included side games, would your opinion be different?
agreed! Been a while since the majority of the Pokémon community collectively enjoyed a game like they did PLA.
Yeah it was but they should've added more new Pokemons instead of adding only bunch of them.
@Awesome Ocelot It's been two weeks since I wrote to you! Could you please answer my question?
@@SuperPlacido1 Spinoff games like Pokemon Snap don't really belong in any gen, though.
They'll make gen 5 remakes for sure. But it's gonna disappoint a lot of fans because it'll only be a remake of BW1. And because it'll only be BW1, no PWT. Same thing as ORAS and BDSP with no Battle Frontiers.
The PWT is my favorite post game content from pokemon.
To be fair ORAS at least added the Delta episode, new mons til gen 6, mega evolutions and the battle palais while BDSP only gave us the new underground adventure and some minor things. I share the same opinion that (sadly) Black/White remakes will be terrible...
As a huge Gen 4 fan, I can only hope Gen 5 fans get a game worthy of their generation, because we certainly didn’t get one
Legends was cool though!
Gen 5 was my first experience in pokemon and i enjoyed it but never really played it bc i used to suck at pokemon and didnt really understand it
Gen 2 & 3 got what they deserved, gen 4 just received garbage!
Na
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@@user-ye9bc7nw2c stfu dude, nobody wants you here
Besides the 1st generation remakes, there is a pattern I have noticed
2•2=4. We got gen 2 remakes in gen 4
3•2=6. We got gen 3 remakes in gen 6
4•2=8. We got gen 4 remakes in gen 8
My theory is we will get gen 5 remakes in gen 10
Lmao
Hopefully. I prefer that over gen 9 so that it wouldn't be rushed.
Or instead of the remakes, they could make another Pokemon Legends game, this time with the original dragon that has been said in the Unova lore.
@@PlahaKumar I can respect that but I would honestly prefer sequels to black and white 2
@@Saffronmoon-sv2es ORAS remake of BW sounds good, updated Pokedex, and stuff. And the best thing is Mega for more unova pokemon
After the disappointment of the past several years, BW remakes are where I decide whether or not I ditch the series unless Scarlett and Violet (plus future installment) completely rebuild my faith. At this point I'm just waiting for remake time to come around again in 4 years or whatever since I lost my white vers and don't want to spend 500% on eBay
Ditch it man you know it not going be good
I'm already feeling kinda meh on Scarlet and Violet. Yea it might be open world now but from the trailers it seems like they've went back to the archaic "running into pokemon and teleport to battle arena" thing which reaaally kills the immersion. Especially after playing a game where you just throw your pokenon out and the battle happens right there in the world. It's crazy how something so small can completely turn me off to the game. I mean you just did it, and no one can argue that it's not objectively better, why would you not just have that as a staple now? I don't get it. Gamefreak always taking one step forward and three steps back. I don't know how to feel about these new games. It's just meh.
Ditch it, unless you're a meme simp
emulators exist
@@TaqSoto Yea believe me I know how you feel I haven't felt excited for a Pokemon game in a looooong time! In fact the last Pokemon game I remember playing was Y but after seeing how poorly made and low quality the game's have been as of lately honestly I've just lost all interest. And I also agree with you on the whole game freak taking one step forward and three steps back thing, I mean a lot of things they discarded from previous game's I feel should've been kept in as a staple to the series. Following Pokemon, The VS Seeker, having a cell phone and having your mom being able to save some of your money for you while's out on your adventure, the mach and acro bike's, making your own secret base, Pokemon contest's, the battle frontier, The VS Recorder, triple battles, rotation battles, active in game season changes, an actual hard mode and mega evolution. Yup A LOT of stuff could've been kept in.
BDSP wasn’t a cash grab it was a “You MFs want a remake, here’s a remake” because they clearly knew people would expect a classic style remake and just threw it to ILCA and told them to not really stray that far because it was their first game and GF probably felt it better to have them play it safe to avoid them getting behind (which ILCA still managed to do) while GF made Arceus instead.
They could make a game like oras, that captures the feeling of the original while innovating. Or they can split it into two games, one being super faithful and one being very innovative like sinnoh remakes. Personally I would prefer an oras style remake. But I kinda want it to stay in 2d. Gen 5 was the last game we got in 2d and it was special because of that. I really don't want them to render it in plain generic 3d with no soul like bdsp. An octopath style remake that celebrates the 2d pixel art while bringing a modern hd edge to everything would be amazing.
ORAS aren't particularly good remakes either though. Heartgold & Soulsilver are the gold standard for remakes with FireRed & Leafgreen coming in second. I don't even think the other remakes are worth talking about in a discussion about remakes because you get more out of playing Emerald and Platinum respectively. You don't get more out of playing Crystal or Yellow than you do of the remakes of their respective generation, conversely.
ORAS was awful tho. it destroyed any nostalgia of RSE
@@carolej339 i cant play hgss outside of difficulty hacks. the level curve really dunks on it.
@@Janinex98 What are you talking about oras was way better than the originals
@@sussexisalbania8959 emerald existed
They'll probably do a Legends type game. Especially since gen 5 are the only games with sequels so i'd be weird if they just do BW and not also B2W2
I want B&W3, if only to see Hilbert/Hilda finally reunite with N, and toss in Ingo getting back to Emmet while you're at it!
My guess is Gen 5 remakes come out a year after the Gen 10 games. "Pokemon Light Black and Pokemon Dark White, Available Worldwide November 18th, 2026."
Tragic as to how realistic this is LOL
I can see Pokémon Jet Black & Ivory White being the titles
It’s from the Ace Attorney PW games
I really don’t know how they are going to replicate the feeling of Gen 5. It was peak 2D era. IMO the Gen 5 games have aged very well compared to Gen 4 and other games.
I keep saying that. We’ll probably get Gen 5 remakes after Gen 10 on the next console.
My wishlist for Generation 5 Remakes would be only one, please reveal the true form of kyurem since kyurem only have two additional forms by absorbing the two other dragons, I mean come on, it’s obvious that kyurem is the original dragon because kyurem is said to be stronger than both of his counterparts and kyurem is missing the truth and ideals from his former complete body, so his body is completely frozen and now he’s a dragon/ice type, maybe in Pokémon Black and White Remakes or even Pokémon Black and White 3, they should reveal the true form of kyurem when kyurem is still the original dragon, and in this unified dragon form, kyurem is going to be a pure dragon type with an ability that boosts all dragon, ice, fire and electric type moves and in this form, kyurem is going to have the highest base stat total of all dragon types and the original unified dragon form of kyurem is going to be called unified kyurem or original kyurem, and in the movie even referred kyurem as the strongest dragon type pokemon, so that’s why We are 💯% sure that kyurem is the true original unified dragon. And kyurem needs a new item that allows kyurem to absorb both legendaries to become the true original dragon form of kyurem because kyurem is just so cool.
Knowing gamefreak conga dance of rushed garbage, I wouldn't be surprised if we got it next year
i think we should just get b&w 3
Pretty good video, but just as an FYI, they've had two internal teams for a while. Basically they have two teams for Pokémon and then a third team for their "GEAR project" stuff which is basically their indie stuff like Tembo the Badass Elephant for example. You can see that they've had two teams though given the timing of Gen 4+ releases though since BW came out only a year after HGSS, and a year is super short for a dev cycle, especially for a 3D game that does a fair amount of upgrades to the engine as well. Also, many might wonder why there are some regressions between releases there, like no following Pokémon for example, and part of that is from them being developed in tandem more or less. Looking inside of BW also shows some remainders from DP and nothing from HGSS also giving more evidence of the tandem development. I think the issue more is that their current three year cycle is too short for how much more effort is needed on bigger scale projects to get the same level of quality.
I really hope they either do a BW3 or Legends Kyreum! Hands down the best direction to take those games!
Well dont compare future black and white games or black 2 white 2. They wont make it like gen 4 remakes dont worry, they won't make it chibi or faithful it's just for gen 4 remakes
Right. Receptions, reviews, and backlashes can make it easier for developers to fix issues.
I think that they let anothrr company make the game because gamefreak was busy with violet and scarlet and legends arceus, It is 2 big games and since gamefreak has a few developers i hope they did a more simple gen 4 remake. It had a lot of potential tho... it could be like oras and add gigantamax in the game aswell with open areas like sword and shield, and they could enhance characters, story, etc
This is Gamefreak they're going fk it up
Generation V was the last games to use chibis. X and Y made it full 3D. Even if they use the Gen 4 remakes' chibi style for the Gen 5 remakes to be faithful, they can't do it for Kalos without downgrading. With the reception of BDSP's chibi models and how they are one generation away from being done with remaking the sprite-styled games, I think the 3D chibi thing is going to be exclusive to the Sinnoh remakes.
Remakes seem to follow two patterns: they’re on new hardware and they’re 1/2 the new Gen #. Besides Gen 1 being remade in Gen 3:
- Gen 4 had Gen 2 remakes
- Gen 6 had Gen 3 remakes
- gen 8 had gen 4 remakes
I think Gen 5 remakes will follow this pattern and will be part of Gen 10. Maybe Gen 9 gets a Let’s Go style Johto game 🤞
There's another way to interpret the pattern though: every gen gets a remake, two console generations later. The GB games got remakes on the GBA, the GBC games got remakes on the DS, the GBA games got remakes on the 3DS, and one set of the DS games so far has had a remake on the Switch. So I would say its even odds whether the Gen V games will be on the switch as well.
Lmao
Next games are let's go johto for sure, but I agree I'm pretty worried about actual main series remakes. I hope they all get the oras treatment from here on out. Those were some good remakes.
Instead of doing remakes it would be so cool to get dlc in the main games where we can visit one of the old regions, just like in Crystal!
Like, going to Unova after finishing scarlet/violet
There is no way that'll happen ever again. Last time we had 2 regions in a game was 23 years ago( i don't count HGGS because they are remakes). And the second region had nothing to do in it other then get the gym badges. Don't get your hopes up.
Honestly, I think that having Gen 5 remakes in the next 4 years should be bare minimum. That was peak pokemon for me, and probably mostly most us, and even the sequels associated with gen 5 even more. I would rather dlc after dlc after dlc just to delay it as much as possible for quality. I could care less if the national Dex comes back, but I know there are people that want that the most (sometimes). My point is, I just want a tad bit more time. I bought 1 copy of each games since diamond and pearl and that supports them, maybe a bit more differences besides literal night and day and a few pokemon. Maybe plot points, areas, and such. I always have enjoyed pokemon games, but a little more spice could go a long way
Fr like:
The gym leaders were actually memorable and were involved in the story.
The game felt complete and there were no game breaking features.
And it was overall a pretty cool game that really did a lot for Pokemon.
Yeah especially since Ingo was reintroduced into the story. It’d be nice to get a remake since not everyone knows who he was before PLA, but I would rather quality over them shoving it out as fast as they can.
They should make it that when you beat the bw remake it starts bw2 (you would be able to choose to go back and forth at the title screen) and they make your team at the end of bw into a superboss at the end of bw2
Very good points, one thing i really want if we re-visit Unova is to see the original unova dragon. Since Zekrom is my favorite Pokémon, and I like Reshiram a lot too, seeing the original dragon they came from would be awesome
I would love to see black and white 3 with new features and with modern day Pokémon features.
If we look at the trends, there has been an average of 2 generations between each remake, so I’m not expecting gen 5 remakes until gen 10
I really hope we get both a B/W and B2/W2 in a same game, so as to have a continuous playthrough.
I can already read some of y'all commenting against it lol
Maybe the main game is BW1, but the team plasma storyline from BW2 becomes a Delta Episode type thing. And you can fight all the gym leaders somehow.
@@Stinkoman87 I see Game Freak doing that 😅
What if Gen 5 was in the HD-2D art style like Octopath Traveler and Live a Live?
Fun in theory, not sure how that’d play out in motion, would LOVE to see a fan-made version of this though!
"Blow easy!"
*That can't be taken out of context at all /s*
I am pesemistically optimistic about the gen 5 remakes. I hope they turn out better than the gen 4 remakes did. I don't want to get my hopes up too high, but I just hope the gen 5 remakes turn out well. Fingers crossed!
Ok i have a small formula i noticed for remakes, they always come out at the generation that is double the number of the original, except gen 1 but its the only exception
Gen 2 - Gen 4
Gen 3 - Gen 6
Gen 4 - Gen 8
Since pokemon is now releasing yearly, gen 9 is already confirmed for this year, Scarlet and Violet - Whatever Pokemon Does to Fill a Year(WPDtFaY) - WPDtFaY - Gen 10 main games - Gen 5 remakes or WPDtFaY
I put 3 games/dlc per gen because its what happened to gens 8 and 7, so 5 or 6 years if my prediction is correct, thats what i have for release date
I’ve been convinced since announcement that PLA was originally meant to be the remakes. I also hope that a future “platinum” version will be released using PLA’s engine but I doubt that would happen.
gen 5 did have quite nice features with the battle train that many of us missed out on. With how accessible wi-fi is for everyone around the globe, it could be INCREDIBLE!
Imagine organizing tournament modes with ramdom trainers across the world!
If they do a Gen 5 remake, I would love for them to keep the difficulty feature that it has whether through unlock or get it from the beginning, allow us to turn off and on the exp share(or get rid of it entirely), a whole new story, and there's a lot of other stuff that I and other people want but would take too long to type out
Imagine if Bandai Namco made Gen V remakes. That would be amazing. Bandai Namco puts way more effort into Pokemon then anyone else
The remake release schedule has actually been extremely consistent. There's a new remake in the first generation on a new console (Gen 3 on GBA had FRLG, Gen 4 on DS had HGSS, Gen 6 on 3DS had ORAS, and Gen 8 on Switch had BDSP). I expect Gen 5 remakes on the Switch 2 or whatever.
I’ve been replaying my copy of White 2 over the past week, and I do feel it’s definitely way too soon for a gen 5 remake. If they’re going to be the same quality as the gen 4 remakes, nah. I’ll just go replay the originals instead of handing out $60 for a crumpled up and stepped on version of my childhood.
I grew up with pokemon when it started with red and blue. I love the pokemon franchise. What I don't like is how the games get easier and easier. I miss the challenge and the grind. It made u feel accomplished at the end of the game. Nowadays we have exp share that's automatic which I hate with a passion and easy trainers to fight. I remember when our red and blue rival battles even in johto was a little nerve wrecking cause they honestly weren't the easiest qt the time. That's the fun. I keep playing the new games but I never look forward to it like I used too. It also doesn't help that kids these days get there hands held with everything and aren't challenged cause God forbid we make something difficult and force the kid to actually think about it. This is all my opinion.
I don't want remakes for Gen 5. Despite it being my favorite generation, I don't feel like anything will do it justice. Ever.
No, no. What I'd like to see is a "continuation" of Legends where this time, it takes place in Unova. There's obviously quite a lot of lore that can be expanded on. In fact, one of the Gym Leaders is in a museum and library.
ILCA also seemes to get cut down by TPC. If you look at ILCAS Artwork for the GEN4 game, phew ... What a difference.
What are the songs used in this video?
I’d love to see them take as much time as possible with the bw/bw2 reimagining (or remake, but preferably the former). Gen 5 was my first dive into the series, and if waiting means I’m in a retirement home before it comes out, so be it.
I’d love to see Unova reimagined into an artstyle like X/Y (if they want it to be nostalgic) or a modern style like SV. I want to see Pokéstar studios come back, the PWC could have characters from games that came out after BW for added fanservice! Theres also the mini-beauty paegent that could (should) return as well. There is so much that the pkmn company needs to refine if everything that makes BW really special is to be added into the remakes, so if it takes 10+ years for “Blinding White” and “Void Black” to come out I don’t care. I just want Gen5 to get as much love as it can for everything that it came packed with.
my favorite thing about past remakes it how you saw older regions in new game engines, enhancing or giving a new spin on old regions
Gen 8 has a good battle system imo and the human models are actually pretty damn good so i was excited to see Sinnoh in 3D with those models etc but…no…we got a lazy “faithful” remake. I didn’t even care for ORAS but i loved seeing the world in the XY region, how Mega Evolution impacts the region, and everything else they introduced. It made it so that there were two unique ways to explore Hoenn.
I heard that originally Pearl and diamond was going to have all the features legends bad but they couldn’t make it work, so they separated those features into a second game instead? Which I think is incredibly fascinating and slots with what you said in the video!
What do you think the gen 5 remakes will be called? Im thinking Jet Black and Smoke White
I just know if they remake Sun and Moon, it BETTER be Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon.
Yeah. Generation 7 is one of the Best Generations of Pokémon. A Remake of it WOULD BE AWESOME.
My wishlist for Generation 5 Remakes would be only one, please reveal the true form of kyurem since kyurem only have two additional forms by absorbing the two other dragons, I mean come on, it’s obvious that kyurem is the original dragon because kyurem is said to be stronger than both of his counterparts and kyurem is missing the truth and ideals from his former complete body, so his body is completely frozen and now he’s a dragon/ice type, maybe in Pokémon Black and White Remakes or even Pokémon Black and White 3, they should reveal the true form of kyurem when kyurem is still the original dragon, and in this unified dragon form, kyurem is going to be a pure dragon type with an ability that boosts all dragon, ice, fire and electric type moves and in this form, kyurem is going to have the highest base stat total of all dragon types and the original unified dragon form of kyurem is going to be called unified kyurem or original kyurem, and in the movie even referred kyurem as the strongest dragon type pokemon, so that’s why We are 💯% sure that kyurem is the true original unified dragon. And kyurem needs a new item that allows kyurem to absorb both legendaries to become the true original dragon form of kyurem because kyurem is just so cool.
I don't even think Black and White need remakes. They still hold up to this day and have minimal flaws. Maybe give Unova more attention by giving it a "Legends" game. I would hate to see Pokemon going full Disney by remaking original products that don't need one.
I'd like them to take their time but that won't happen
I'd love if they remake B/W. They are my favorite Pokemon games. But if they mess it up... I will be super disappointed. I want it like the FF7 remake. Take the story and worlds, and expand on them.
Being excited that Gamefreak will actually properly utilize new switch hardware is like being excited for world hunger ending.
I'm very skilled at picking up on persona 5 music being used, and there was the music that plays in safe rooms at 3:55 or so
My desired outcome of this inevitability would be a port of B/W/B2/W2 (maybe as a “Black and White” gimmick with B1/W2 on one release, and W1/B2 on the other) and followed up with a B3/W3 release. That way, even if the threequals are rushed and not great, it’s at least not destroying the original and adds more onto the lore in general
-Pokémon Legends: Kyurem pitch-
The game is set in Unova, thousands of years ago, during the quarrel between the 2 brothers over truth and ideals. Just like the Diamond & Pearl clans, there will be 2 sides during the main story. You will be able to side with truth or ideals during the climax.
Might add a rough story pitch here later.
I'm scared but excited. My childhood is coming full circle. Most hours logged into any generation ever for me. Gen 3 and it's remakes are a close 2nd. But gen v is un beatable for replayability
Hey I would be excited for a Gen 5 remake if they make it one of these days, it would be cool if they add both Black&White and Black&White2 areas in the game, and Kyurem Fusion.
Going of of the pattern of remakes coming out in the generation double theirs, gen 2 in gen 4, gen 3 in gen 6, and recently gen 4 in gen 8, I believe we are going to get gen 5 remakes whenever generation 10 is realesed
The pattern seems like the remake comes after you double the number of the generation
Gen 2 remakes in Gen 4
Gen 3 remakes in Gen 6
Gen 4 remakes in Gen 8
Gen 5 remakes in Gen 10?
Where’s this song from?
Gen 5 deserves A LOT! That map could be big and beautiful. That story! THAT STORY! Also, I ONLY want BW Pokémon in Gen 5, NO other Pokémon!
There really is a lot to potentially consider when it comes to revisiting Unova. I wouldn't be surprised if doing so would leave someone put off no matter what ends up happening. We could question which games to remake, could both get remade, or could it be some kind of composite? If it's B1W1, Do we keep the original Unova native only Dex or update to be more like sequels? What about the National dex? If the Unova base Dex is kept then the expedition that happens in the post game that leads directly into the B2W2 Dex should also be part of the game in some capacity and maybe even addressed directly as some kind of event. What things should be tampered with to smooth out the playthrough? I recently replayed Black version and feel like the distribution of the Pokemon in the Dex could of been better, the way we are prevented from entering the Dream Yard proper until after the first Gym isn't needed, and being able to explore that next route past just a bit would be nice. Those changes would go along way in helping players feel less railroaded and open up more options for the player in those early moments of the game and feel like perfectly valid things to do considering how options immediate explode in quantity by the 2nd to 3rd Gym.
Instead of remakes how about another sequel further in Unova's time line where we get to see the Unova change again thus completely dodging the above questions entirely? In such a scenario, should the original games get a kind of remaster with quality of life improvements? What mechanics should be brought over, is it possible to reimagine some instead using them whole sell, and could we see regional variants added in if the remake is of the sequels or is replaced with another new sequel. What about the idea of further emphasizing the changes in the original native Pokemon Unova brought on by the new additions to the population rather than how Regional variant show the other way around. This could provide a nice opportunity to create new native Pokemon to like Legends did for Sinnoh. Maybe now that Basculin has some environmental pressure it could regain it's evolution or gain new ones for each of the 2 forms.
A interesting thing I've noticed happening with the remakes (not saying it is a pattern) is other then the gen 1 remakes it's like they take the current generation and then they divide by 2 for what remake lines up where. So 2 and 4, 3 and 6, and then 4 and 8. Sorry if I worded it poorly, I don't know if I explained it well 😅
Since Gen 5 created Fusion it would only make sense that the entire team should work on it we care more about making a proper Gen 5 remake then we do about any new gen
I actually have a counter argument to the “no set pattern for remakes”.
Every set of remakes to come out thus far (besides FRLG/Let’s Go) has come out in the generation number that doubles their original generation of release (Gen2 remakes in gen 4, gen 3 remakes in gen 4, gen 4 remakes in gen 8, etc) so if we follow this pattern we’ll get gen 5 remakes as early as next gen. Still too early to say but I just thought I’d mention that.
Was the soup good??
Idk I think another pattern to the remakes is the remake always come out once the initial generation is doubled. Gen 1 kinda had a remake in gen 2 with Kanto’s inclusion, gen 2 remakes came out in gen 4, Gen 3 remakes in 6, and Gen 4 remakes in 8. I’m almost 100% sure we’ll see Gen 5 remakes in Gen 10.
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In my opinion, i would think that idealistically to have BW/BW2 ports to the switch and a legends type game. I think that with BW2, they wrapped up the region’s story pretty nicely and a BW3 would probably be more iffy and shoehorned in for lore. A legends type game would be perfect for lore expansion and a chance to see the original dragon.
always appreciate to here catherine ost on creator's platforms 🙏
An interesting pattern is that we tend to get remakes on every even numbered generation, with extra games on the odd ones. If this pattern is intentional, it may be why we never got pokemon z in gen 6 (although maybe we can get it in gen 12)
upon a new console the devs also need to get used to working with said console's limitations, diamond/pearl were on the same console as b2w2, and the difference between those games is absolutely insane
You would think one of the greatest franchises EVER would take more pride in their output! ✊🏾😤
I absolutely loved B&W and the 2's of each one. I want remakes for those in the style of BD/SP where the storyline remains but added bells and whistles, the ability to have gen 5+ moves, graphics etc. And those of you mentioning a B&W 3 that would be killer
My wishlist for Generation 5 Remakes would be only one, please reveal the true form of kyurem since kyurem only have two additional forms by absorbing the two other dragons, I mean come on, it’s obvious that kyurem is the original dragon because kyurem is said to be stronger than both of his counterparts and kyurem is missing the truth and ideals from his former complete body, so his body is completely frozen and now he’s a dragon/ice type, maybe in Pokémon Black and White Remakes or even Pokémon Black and White 3, they should reveal the true form of kyurem when kyurem is still the original dragon, and in this unified dragon form, kyurem is going to be a pure dragon type with an ability that boosts all dragon, ice, fire and electric type moves and in this form, kyurem is going to have the highest base stat total of all dragon types and the original unified dragon form of kyurem is going to be called unified kyurem or original kyurem, and in the movie even referred kyurem as the strongest dragon type pokemon, so that’s why We are 💯% sure that kyurem is the true original unified dragon. And kyurem needs a new item that allows kyurem to absorb both legendaries to become the true original dragon form of kyurem because kyurem is just so cool.
Right but what if we got a legends style remake instead
technically Gen 2 remakes would be next but I'm more worried about Gen 5
ReRemake you mean XD
@@SuperPlacido1 guess it depends
@LJ last time we got Johto games were before unova
pokemon loves their patterns
@LJ Be gen 2 have not been in 3D yet
This issue with gen 5 now after the release of gen 9 is that they either need to go the legends route for gen 5 or scarlet Violet route with gen 5. I don’t think they will go the same route as bdsp with black & white but how can they go anywhere with it the game has evolved past making a remake as it would require going straight to the redrawing board.
Game freak does have 2 teams! It’s been confirmed. They have a team of experienced devs and new devs. The new devs were put on legends and the experienced ones on gen 9 while ilca did remakes.
Fun fact, Gamefreak has one of the worst employee work schedules I’ve seen out of a Japanese game studio. Also pla and bdsp were both delayed because of Covid.
I personally think we have some hope as long as the “B team” which I’m gonna assume is the one working on b3w3 (as I will be calling it until further notice) is also the team that worked on LA. B3W3 has huge potential if that does happen, since LA was so good, especially animation wise
I've never played 5th gen I just watched the 5th gen Anime so a 5th generation remake is a new experience
One of the things that I liked about Gen 5 was the difficulty thing that it had
Remakes of Gen 5
Pokemon Truthful Black & Pokemon Faithful White
Remakes of B2 & W2, with a expanded pokedex which adds a couple of later pokemon who have the fairy type, or additions to alter teams like Iris's Lapras being replaced By Dracovish with Fishous Rend in its moveset, or Burgh's first pokemon being replaced by Rimmobee.
We need to at least get both the main game and sequels as base plus all events playable without Internet including dream training. One added things: Mega Evolutions and paradox Pokemon.
It would be cool if we got a Pokémon Black, and White Legends type game. There is so much interesting lore from Black and White.
I think the two teams dynamic at GameFreak is actually really good as a software developer myself at a certain point a teams becomes to large and it feels clunky to work with the others. Sure with a good management it can work, but there is a reason why most beloved games in the past years were created by small teams consisting of old and new developers. Communication is easier and the mix of old developers and their experience and new developers bringing in new methods is really good. But there are two things I think that hold GF back, the first one is the lack of new and young developers they have some but they seem to prefer to stick to the old teams, the other problem I see is there game engine. If what I read is true every Pokemon game on the Switch is being run on a modified 3DS engine, which they adjusted and ported to the Switch. This limits their games by alot and is the reason they graphics aren't what we expect. This is also were the second team could come in clutch. They should simply start developing a new engine based on an already existing one from Nintendo. Sure it's alot of work but it will benefit the whole company. This would mean that while they developing this engine the other team would need to develop DLC for the current game but that shouldn't be a problem. But I think GF is to lazy. They will probably wait for the next console and do it.
I've been saying this for years: Pokemon is a victim of its own success. The games are rushed out because they need there to always be something new. Something new to be turned into plushies, anime, trading cards, pyjamas, bed sheets, action figures etc etc etc. They've got their foot strapped to the accelerator and the brakes are broken. Even if the developers want to slow down and spend a couple years making a really good game, they can't because they need to pump out new content to support everything else.
Most remakes have been really good so far, my point : fire red and leaf green, heartgold and soul silver, omega ruby and alpha sapphire
I look forward to them. They were my first games
How I wish there was some video talking more in debt about all that Gen 6-7 controversy, like about Masuda's Pokédex counting way more Pokémon than it had in Gen 6 or Gen 6 didn't getting a upgraded version...
sorry about the soup :( I have no idea what to think about gen 5 remakes because those are the games that I grew up with.
My prediction for when we get gen 5 remakes has been gen 10 for awhile now. My reasoning for this is because, aside from fire red and leaf green which released with gen 3, all the remakes have release with the gen that is twice their own. Heart good and soul silver were apart of 4, ORAS was gen 6, and gen 4 was paired with 8.
I think it would be incredible to get another “Legends” game, but for Unova. Since it’s based of the U.S., imagine if we got a Wild-West version of Unova, set with small frontier towns, cowboys, sheriffs, bandits, the whole nine yards.
Oh boy, that would be awesome.
My first pokemon game was pokemon white 2 for my birthday gift🥰 and I really REALLY wish that they make it good😥 that the same fate doesn't happen to it like the gen 4 remakes had. 😞
Now I'm even more scared cause of what happened with the Gen 4 remakes..
Not related to remakes but the only thing black an white was missing was Pokémon being able to follow you those triple battles wjere so hard
It's sad but true, I can hope the quality of the pokemon games main series and remakes come back. I hope pokemon scarlet and violet aswell as gen 5 remakes will bring back the quality and no corners are cut
In my dreams game freak goes underground for ten years and we suddenly get the best game ever (which is just one game instead of 2) thats like Pokemon Black and White . Like with the period . And its not a remake its like black and white 3 and it has the most heart wrenching story with a slightly expanded region new pokemon crazy shit like thats what i NEED
ILCA is busy with One Piece Odyssey right now and I would say it looks better than BDSP let's hope they treat One Piece with care. As for Pokemon Legends Arceus to me that felt like the real deal Gen 4 remake if anything I can see Gen 5 getting the same treatment and hype up Pokemon Legends treatment with the original dragon. But if anything after Gen 9 we will most likely see Gen 2 remakes considering after Gen 4 we got those ans hoping since Pokemon Legends Arceus sold well I really want it to become a series itself. But if ILCA gets to remake Gen 5 hoping GameFreak would give them more creative freedom because in the concept art from ILCA it seems like they were going all out but then Masuda stepped in to keep it safe and I don't Masuda the man is doing his job.
Concept art is not indicative of a final product. BDSP was always going to be the way it was which I think is fine tbh
That is not what happened with the art and Masuda. We need to stop spreading that rumor
Games change during development all the time so I would imagine the concept art orginally was gonna take it to a Platinum direction but then they decided to go to the original Diamond and Pearl direction Masuda wanted that to happen but like I said he was in charge of the remakes a lot of passionate Pokemon Fans tend to hate on Masuda they see him as the guy that ruined Pokemon but to me I see him as a awesome dude that is passionate about Pokemon as well,I'm not blaming Masuda the guy is a genius when it comes to music he created some of the best in the Pokemon series not to mention he also directed Gen 5 as well. The concept art isn't a rumor Johto Jonny did a video on the Concept Art of what the gen 4 remakes were originally once different but basically yes they change that's how it is for game development.
@@FTChomp9980 but like I said concept art is not indicative of the product and it was always gonna be DP remakes - third versions are never remade. Masuda does deserve more respect though
@@FTChomp9980 Johto Johnny had no evidence for that claim. I love him and his discussions and analysis, but that claim about the concept art wasn’t true at all. Even the art book itself says differently. He was trying to figure out why BDSP wasn’t done better and looking for a way to blame Masuda because he doesn’t like Masuda.
He even says Arceus was so good because Masuda wasn’t involved when that is demonstrably incorrect.
game freak does have 2 teams and thats been known for a while, plus the legends and SV team were actually the same team
I mean, when they aren't being overseen by Game Freak/The Pokémon Company, ILCA has worked on stuff like Nier: Automata, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, Yakuza 0, and Dragon Quest XI, so I would guess that they weren't the primary reason why BDSP ended up like it did.