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Would the Philippines go to War over Sabah?
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2023
- Centuries before Sabah came under the colonial administration of the United Kingdom, they were part of the Sulu Sultanate, which is now incorporated into the Philippines. So when the Federation of Malaysia was formed and they announced that Sabah would be incorporated into their nation, and not the Philippines, it threatened a direct conflict between the two nations.
This is the North Borneo Dispute, with Hindsight.
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FURTHER READING:
The Discord over Sabah between Malaysia and the Philippines (Indian Council of World Affairs):
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Sabah: Malaysia’s Or Philippines’? (The Asean Post):
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Dec 1968 - The Sabah Dispute (Stanford):
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North Borneo dispute (Wikipedia):
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The UK is at fault why the Sabah issue is so hard to resolve peacefully, same case to any territorial disputes in most parts of the world.
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? But Brunei Sultanate (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
So ask the Sulus to go to the UK and claim compensation then, perhaps the Brits would give the Isle of Wight in the south of England as permanent compensation ..
Good Luck ..
@hopelope1703 there is a proof that UK rented northern Borneo from the sultan of Sulu. UK at that time should have ceded the territory back to the Sultan before Malaysia was formed.
@@roquelowelllacaba5312 it's Sulu business not catholic pinoys business regarding Sabah disputes,silly
@@roquelowelllacaba5312 How do you explain the existence of two agreements related to the ownership of North Borneo namely between Brunei Sultanate & BNBC (29/12/1877) and Sulu & BNBC (22/17/1878)?
The only existing agreement involving the Sultanate of Brunei (original owner) is that agreement that Brunei grant and cede North Borneo to BNBC on 29/12/1877.
If Brunei Sultanate had given North Borneo to Sulu much earlier, his majesty would not have signed that 1877 agreement. The signing confirm North Borneo still belongs to Brunei.
Why there is no protest from Sulu to Brunei for signing the 1877 agreement?
Why Sulu & BNBC agreement not signed earlier in 1877 but 3 weeks later (1878) after the signing of the 1877 agreement between Brunei Sultanate & BNBC?
Regarding the 1878 Sulu & BNBC agreement (the original agreement in Tausug is missing during his majesty trip to Singapore), the validity of Sulu ownership of North Borneo is doubtful. How on earth Sulu can own North Borneo if no undisputable proof that Brunei gives it to them earlier? Unless there is a possibility the British been scammed, deceived, or intimidated by Sulu into signing that 1878 agreement?
Philippine government distant to this issue because sabah is a private matters.. Even when Malaysian Prime Minister visited philippines they dont talk sabah too much
It is not private matter. Sulu sultunate already concede it to Philippine Government. Issue is dormant for now.
@@kampilankalasag1292 maybe now is not private issue but our government seems distant to that issue why?! because they dont want strain the relation of our country to malaysia
it is pirate matters not private matters. each time Philippines terrorist came to Sabah and rob the fishman and kidnap the tourists the corrupt Malaysia government let them go by paying the ransom. fyi ransom was not from malaysia government, it is from the sabahan.
@@kampilankalasag1292Isn't Sultan Jamilul Kiram 3 revoke that agreement with the PH government in 1989?
@@kampilankalasag1292 Do you know who is founder father of sultanate of sulu??
No matter what, we Filipinos love our southeast asian neighbors.
🇵🇭🇲🇾🇮🇩🇧🇳🇻🇳🇹🇭🇸🇬🇰🇭🇱🇦🇲🇲 ✌️
I agree with the peaceful resolve.
True, but not all Pinoys are as good thinking as you are.
No I want Sabah back to Philippines
Claim sabah back by all means
Sabah Philippines
I'm Filipino but taking this territory will result in another useless armed conflict which is bad for all. This will only benefit a few. The juice is not worth the squeeze . Better keep it as it is. The ccp is the real threat. We should focus on what really matters.
I agree. the Sultanate only wants help from the PH government when it’s convenient to them. Otherwise, they want to be independent?
well, just let them stew over it . Life ain’t perfect; We all got problems. Fry the bigger fish. Malaysia is not our enemy.
I saw many wars in philippines. Do they solve their problems with wars?
@@wise_axolotl179no
Kaya nga dapat suportahan ng mga Filipino ang laban ng Sultanate of Sulu, kasi pinakinabangan na ng husto ang Sabah na dapat ang Pilipinas ang nakikinabang at yumaman, wala sanang gulo ng kahirapan sa Mindanao, ngayon na lang nagkakaroon ng development sa Mindanao. Ang madalas nahuhuli dyan ay mga terrorist group from Malaysia, mga pakawala para manggulo. Ang $14.9 Bilyon sa tingin nyo ba mauubos yan ng Sultan ng family, it will be for the people, sinabi naman nila yan na itutulong nila sa Pilipinas ang kanilang ibang pera. Hindi dapat basta ipamigay na lang ang mga resources na dapat ay sa Pinoy. Mas nakakalungkot na mga Filipino mismo ang ayaw ipaglaban ang dapat sa atin. Patuloy ang laban ng Sultanate at deligasyon nila sa France at Spain sa pagsampa sa kaso. Patuloy nating ipanalangin at suportahan. Yung langis na nakukuha sa Sabah, yan ang bumubuhay sa Malaysia.
@@pushslicehindi yan laban lang ng mga Kiram or Sultanate of Sulu, laban yan ng mga Filipino, ang mga Filipino sa bahaging yan ng Pinas dating walang kailangang mga documento, na lagi silang naabuso napapagsamantalahan. Na dati namang wala at patawid tawid lang sila sa mga isla ng Palawan, Sabah at Tawi Tawi, Sulu, sana maisip nyo na suportahan ang kapwa Filipino. Di kailangan ng gyera ng barilan. Para sa kaalaman mo, ang Sultan at deligasyon nila ay lumalaban sa mapayapang paraan sa sarili nilang bulsa. Ni wala nga kayong maiambag. Sila pagnaipanalo ang kaso buong bansa ang makikinabang.
As Malay Moslem, we don't want to fight our brothers & sisters in Philippine. Never. And we always support Philippines fight against western colonialism
As a Filipino Christian I respect Islam or any religion and we Filipinos love our Malaysian brothers and sisters. 🇵🇭❤🇲🇾
As your fellow South East Asian from the Philippines, we also need to unite and fight those bloody Chinese invaders who are trying to occupy our territorial waters
As a Malay and a Malaysian, I also do not support at all the federal government wanting to launch a war against the Philippines because it follows a claim in court from being said to be the 'heir of the Sultanate of Sulu'.
Simple give Sabah back to Suluans. The unquenquered kingdom
Salamat
I’m Sabahan i choose Malaysia rather than Philippines. Titik!
fjckyu noobs
I'm Sabahan Malaysian government is ignorant, Philippines would be better 😂
@@hiding.myself Are you a pilak?
@@hiding.myself No thanks
But your land owners wants it back, if you want to be part of Malaysia go to Malaysia, youre living in a territory that isnt yours
The Philippines claims Sabah on the basis that Sabah was said to be once under Sulu Sultanate. Descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claim that Sabah belonged to Sulu Sultanate because Sabah was given by Brunei the original owner to Sulu as a gift for purportedly helping Brunei to fight rebels. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans.
In fact on 29 December 1877, the Sultan of Brunei ceded the whole of Sabah to BNBC/British and concurrently appointed Baron Von Overback, the co-owner of BNBC as Maharajah of Sabah and Rajah of Sandakan and Gaya. This cession agreement was documented.
When BNBC went to Sabah to begin their business, Sulu claimed that Sabah belonged to Sulu. BNBC agreed to enter a "pajak" agreement with Sulu after they were advised by their fellow businessmen in Hong Kong who advised that Sulu would attack them if they didn't have a deal with Sulu. This "pajak'' agreement was signed on 22 January 1878. BNBC understood that this "pajak" was a "cession", so did early generation of Sulu Sultan accepted it as "cession". Only later generation of descendants of former Sultan of Sulu claimed that the "pajak" agreement was meant to be "rent" or "lease''. Still there was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans. The two above events led to an overlapping issue on Sabah.
What ever it was, the above agreement and overlapping issue were superceded by later event. On 22 July 1878, the then Sultan of Sulu had relinquished all his possession and sovereignty of Sulu and it's territories including Sabah to Spain. The Sultanate of Sulu only remained as hereditary cultural and traditional entity without any sovereign territory.
In 1885, to resolve overlapping issue on Sabah and other issues involving other islands, Britain, Spain and Germany arrived to an agreement known as Madrid Protocol in which Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain. As new owner of Sabah Britain had full control and sovereignty over Sabah and they could do what ever they wanted. Sulu could not claim anything because they had already relinquished the sovereignty of Sabah to Spain and Spain surrendered Sabah to Britain.
What ever happened to Sabah after that was under British jurisdiction. Even though British had full control and sovereignty of Sabah, they still honoured the annual "cession money" payment stipulated in the "pajak'' agreement as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. So did Malaysia when formed in 1963, still honoured the annual "cession money" payment as consolation for the Sulu Sultan. The term "cession money" was used because to use the term "consolation" was felt to be too degrading. Thus the term "cession money" was continually used as used before by the British.
Even the argument about the word "pajak" and it's meaning in the "pajak" agreement still favoured the British. The "pajak" agreement was written in classical Malay, in jawi script (Arabic alphabet). Malay is the national language of Malaysia and Brunei, and mother tongue of majority Malaysians and Brunei. In those days, Malay was also used by people of Sulu because Malay was the "lingua franca" of this region including the present Philippines. That was why the agreement was written in Malay. But over the years Sulu people had lost their Malay language (standard Malay) because of several reasons like colonisation by different European. This made Sulu relied on translation of the agreement. Things got worse when they translated it to Sulu's local language, be it Tagalog or Tausug, which was rather translation of another translation, that they translated it to their favour.
The word "pajak" carried several meanings depending on the contact used in the sentence or passage. It could mean "tax, rent, pawn, lease, or cession". In the agreement between BNBC/ British and Sulu, the word "pajak" was used together with the phrase "selama-lamanya" which meant "forever". When "pajak" was used together with the phrase"selama-lamanya", in this contact the word "pajak" meant "cession". Cession means "the formal giving up of rights, property or territory by a state". When Sulu "pajak" Sabah to BNBC it meant Sulu ceded Sabah and it meant Sabah no longer belonged to Sulu.
This was further clarified. There was a second agreement which was a supplementary to the first agreement known as "Confirmation of Cession of Certain Islands Agreement". It was regarding certain islands between Sabah and Sulu which they were not sure whether they were included in the first agreement or not. In this second agreement, the word "pajak" was no longer used because they thought it might lead to misunderstanding by later generation. Instead the word "menyerahkan" which meant "surrender" was used, and the annual payment was increased from 5,000 dollars to 5,300 dollars due to certain islands included.
Another example where the Philippines generally or Sulu in particular misunderstood due to wrong translation or translation to their favour, was about the clause that the territory could not be transfered to another party. Yes, there was a clause that Sabah could not be transfered to another party "... without the consent of 'Duli Queen'...". The British translated "Duli Queen" as "Her Britannic Majesty", even though it was not correct literally but it was correct in the meaning. The "... Queen" was referring to Queen Victoria, the ruler of England / Britain at that time. But Sulu translated "Duli Queen" (or rather translated from a translation) as "Their Majesties' Government". This led to an understanding that "Duli Queen" was the ruler of Sulu. The question was since when Sulu as a Muslim state had a female as their ruler (Sultanah or Queen)?
The above showed that North Borneo (Sabah) had indeed been ceded to Britain, that was why it could not be transfered to another party without the consent of 'Duli Queen' (Queen Victoria), the ruler of England/ Britain at that time. And further it was stated that any dispute about the agreement had to be referred to the "Consul General" being the Queen's representative in Borneo to be resolved. It meant that outside Arbitrator had no jurisdiction over the agreement. This fact became the main reason of judgement by Paris Court of Appeal in setting aside and annulling the Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
On 31 August 1963 Britain gave independence to Sabah and before that on 22 July 1963 Sarawak was given independence. The people of Sabah and Sarawak had exercised self determination to form Malaysia together with Malaya and Singapore. The sovereignty of Sabah and Sarawak as component states of Malaysia is intact and recognized internationally and recognized by the UN. This was confirmed and clearly stated in the United Nations Malaysia Mission Report "Final Conclusion of the Secretary-General", 14 September 1963. The last sentence of the report says:
"I fervently hope that the people of these territories will achieve progress and prosperity, and find their fulfillment as component states of Malaysia".
Full text of the report can even be accessed from the Philippines Government Gazette website.
About the arbitration award by Paris Court to Sulu of US$14.92B, it had since been set aside and annulled by Paris Court of Appeal. Here is the latest situation.
Latest as in June 2023:
1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate.
2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal in The Haque had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost.
4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Now is already November 2023, no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about US$6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m spent.
Now is already December 2023, still no news about Sulu's claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they really withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
Now is already February 2024, and still no news about Sulu claim proceeding in Luxembourg Court. It looked like they really withdrew their case when they acknowledged the Paris Court of Appeal decision.
The Spanish Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa's action of bringing the Sulu claim case in Paris Court when Madrid Court had already made decision in favour of Malaysia was seen by Spanish judicial authority as "Contempt of Court" and "Professional Intrusiveness". Following this, Stampa's appointment as an Arbitrator was revoked and annulled by Spanish Court. His arbitration award to Sulu of US$14.92B compensation was also annulled. Criminal proceeding was also taken against Stampa.
Sulu and Stampa tried to appeal in higher Spanish courts but failed. And finally Spanish Constitutional Court upheld lower courts' decisions revoking Stampa's appoinment as an arbitrator and annulling his arbitration on Sulu's claim.
On 11 December the rogue Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa was charged in Madrid Court for "Contempt of Court" and "Professional Intrusiveness". On 8 January 2024, the court found him guilty and was sentence for 6 months imprisonment together with a ban from practicing as an Arbitrator for a year.
@@abdulwahidmdtahir3660 this isn’t a supposed claim dude it was actually sulu territory and the british decided not properly compensate the rightful owner of their rented land
@augustuslunasol10thapostle , Sulu only claimed that Sabah was given by Brunei to Sulu as a gift for purportedly helping Brunei fight rebels. But Brunei refuted this claim and denied ever having given Sabah to Sulu. There was NO DOCUMENT regarding the transfer of ownership of Sabah from Brunei to Sulu signed by both Sultans.
great respect for the countries of Sabah, Sarawak, Brunei and the Philippines
respect from Indonesian
Love to Indonesia, Sabah, Philippines, Brunei from the forgotten loyalist country of Sarawak 🏴🤝🇧🇳🇮🇩🇱🇺🇵🇭 Don't forget Singapore too!
Respect country of sumatera,kalimantan and papua also..
Love and respect to all southeast asian countries from Germany 🇩🇪❤🇵🇭🇲🇾🇮🇩🇧🇳🇻🇳🇹🇭🇸🇬🇰🇭🇱🇦🇲🇲
@@prettycinta8598Malaya is province of great Indonesia
@@asianguyy except that Indonesia is not great by any metric.
As Malaysian we see Philiphines as brothers..they look exactly like us..maybe we are from diff background, but still we believe we carried same blood
Phillipines and Malaysia had already settled this long ago. There are bigger threats than that
It's not settled 😅
We only settled with their government, not with the sulu sultanate descendent 😅
They still want to claim even they has told by international courts 😅
@@sionc1372 this is just the lowest priority than the rest.
@@pekopekoh
.....No, we want the issue of this claim to be stopped immediately, so that the focus of all the citizens of Philippines and Malaysia is shifted to the development agenda of their respective countries moving faster and not lagging behind other ASEAN countries.
Its not settled, its just kept dormant while they host US bases to gain favor with US. In 2013 we are attacked by Sulu next what, the US suddenly gonna claim they found WMD in Sabah?
SABAH may not be worth the potential consequences of engaging in war for the Philippines. The decision to prioritize nationalistic pride over peaceful resolutions could be seen as misguided and detrimental.
resources dude resources... always resources, you don't fight for just ideologies, even when ideologies are involved it's what ideologues will have the resources
@@aljonserna5598 natives of Sabah(Kadazan, Dayak, Murut, Bajau) won't admit themselves as Filipinos, they rather be as Malaysian. Otherwise, they'd have to eat pagpag.
@@oyster117 here we again the malay government is trying to cover their crime lol Don't forget that the European Court only stands for their own benefit; look what happened in Africa and the Middle East; all were biased if your country is poor! And don't forget that they were colonizers in the first place, and the UK is the master of Malaysia, the one who created the puppet state of Malaysia and transferred the territories of Brunei to Malaysia. That's why search the history borneo rebellion or the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei_Civil_War
so their will be no more clown like you lol
if you have LOGIC try to annalized why brunie territories shrink to that extent? and who's the 2 sabotage theft who steal its land lol
@@oyster117atleast they arent thief like a malaysian.
@@mr-vb3id so youre saying Sabahans are thief as well?
Filipino here. As much as I'd love to have sabah as part of our country again, I know that it won't flourish under our rule. I don't know if it's prospering under malaysia but the philippine's economy and political climate is much shittier than Malaysia so I guess it's much better for sabah to stay in Malaysia.
The second reason is that the people of Sabah are largely muslims, just by knowing that, you'd know that they will feel much much closer to Malaysians since Malaysia is dominated by the muslims unlike my country the philippines which is dominated by the catholics.
Overall, Sabah would be better under the Malaysian rule than the Filipinos. The history between the Filipinos and Malaysians go way back before the muslim and catholic missionaries came into our homelands so risking all of that just for this conflict won't benefit the both of us. I just hope that this conflict will be resolved peacefully. We're all brothers. The real enemy is in the east asia. You know, the one that's so delusional that they drew up an imaginary 9 dash dumb dumb line.
Well said
You can try to boycott China's products
Its just like any other country and nations. When the peoples already decided, UN endorsed it. After Ww2, sabahans already voted to join Malaysia. Nobody from sabah ever thought or said about to joint philipines after that. So its irrelevant for outsiders to still discuss about it. 😏
@@askarsepoi Yeah. Wonder why the Sulu sultanate is claiming it now
If The Philippines will take over Sabah Muslim majority will make it worst for Mindanao more terrorist will have easy access.
As a Filipino, no we will not
And many citizens share the same thought with this issue: a waste of time
You are not true Filipino, you are just a keyboard warrior to type that kind of message para masabi lang. Sabah is part of the Philippines, meaning sa ibang islands ipapamigay na lang ba. Lahat ng pag.aari ng bansa
True
@@PinoyTVNews keyboard warrior, eh? When you're one who said more than me
There are more pressing issues than Sabah
@PinoyTVNews also, oof
Your last sentence is a slippery slope fallacy
Just because we Filipinos are not so willing to go to war over Sabah doesn't mean we'll let every island go, tsk tsk, buddy, you walking on slippery slope there, careful
@@PinoyTVNews Eh di kung matapang ka eh di lusubin mo. Hanggang salita ka lang katulad din ng mga keyboard warriors na sinasabi mo hahahaha
As a Filipino i just want everyone to get along but that is hard when reality is in the way
As a Filipino. It does not mean bigger lands, successful economy,. Just maximize the resources we have now then we can be a great country again.
Pretty much this. Everytime I see Philippines arguing for claims like Sabah, I just keep thinking that we can't even utilize the resources we have now. What even is the point?
Corruption may say otherwise
It's not like the people of Sabah want to join the Sulu sultanate 🤣 They want to be Malaysians so let them be.
stop voting for idiot politicians then.
@@phillgame8872corruption what part of our project was hindered ever since do30 and bbm take power.
As a Filipino. I'll keep our friendship to our Malaysian siblings ❤ Take Sabah, it's yours! ❤ We'll just visit ❤
we filipinos are being aggressive here in the comment section when, in fact, we don't even have the budget to go to any war, and the government doesn't even have any plans
tumahimik ka! matagal na pinaglalaban ng mga taga muslim sa mindanao ang Sabah.. di ka tunay na pilipino,.dami ng namamatay dahil sa kanilang pinaglalaban.. dahil alam nila at sila ang tunay na nagmamay.ari ng sabah, tayo Pilipino,.
true. we poor and weak.
@@JV-km9xkI don't think our nation is weak but we are lead by incompetent leaders(not all of em ofc
man hoping you have a good day " A guy from Malaysia"
First time?
I see some Indos and some Pinoys in here kept saying that Malaysia is the culprit, when it's a fact that Sabahan themselves have voted to be in Malaysia.
Say what, I have a better idea, why don't the UN conduct similar polls at Mindanao, provinces in Sumatera, provinces in Kalimantan, Batam, Kepri, Natuna and ask them if they would like to be Indonesian, Malaysian or Phillipines. Only those who can prove that they are really local and can trace their ancestors in that place can vote.
Any results from this polls must be taken seriously even if it'll change the countries and shall be respected by everyone.
It'll be interesting to see the results.
Nah after seeing the news in South Philippine province and Indonesia New Guinea hardly it would be a super controversial polls
Agreed,let see how many wanna be Malaysian
Kenapa hanya Indonesia yang kau bawa , nggak sekalian wilayah di seluruh dunia yang di minta pendapat tolol ,
Never fight sabah no matter what 🇵🇭❤🇲🇾 i am filipino
from malaysia with love
I love Philippines from malaysia
orang sabah menangkap orang sulu? mereka membenci orang philippines sulu😭
mereka tidak akan berubah fikiran untuk menyelamatkan sulu filipina🇵🇭? mencari duit di negara sabah😭
Never comment if you ignorant of history of sabah..im also a pilipino,but a patriotic one..
As an Indonesian i just wanna say countries should better focus to the betterment of territories theyre already owned.
The Philippines will never go to war over Sabah. Sabah is an issue between Malaysian government and private Filipino citizens. Going to war to resolve a territorial dispute is against UN laws and ASEAN laws that the Philippines have signed and sworn to uphold. Philippines will probably receive heavy sanctions from fellow ASEAN members and Western countries. Ordinary Filipinos will pay the price of such war. It's not the Filipinos that are living in Sabah, only few, so there's no emergency case that can force the Philippines to go to war against Malaysia. Most Filipinos doesn't even care about Sabah. Not on the priority list and not even talked about much in political issues.
Someone should remind China that going to war over acquisition of territory (🇹🇼!) is wrong.
'most filipino doesnt care abt sabah' im so glad to hear that ❤ as a sabahan i really thought the filipinos want sabah that bad 😂 cause i always see filipinos fighting on claiming sabah as theirs. thanks for telling from your perspective
@@anis1649 The Sabah issue usually arises whenever the Philippine President and Malaysian Prime Minister visit each other countries but most Filipinos do not really care about it. Sabah issue doesn't even make it on the top 20 survey list of what's important issues to the Filipino people every year. Most Philippine Presidents are just forced to insist on the claim to avoid antagonizing the wealthy elites of Sulu. Malaysia is really a big help to the peace negotiations between the Philippine government and the Moros. It's better for the Philippines not to talk about it much in order for our ASEAN brotherhood to achieve long lasting peace and continued prosperity.
Philippines has enough trouble with Muslims already. The last thing it needs to do is try to acquire more Muslim occupied lands.
@@johnlacey3857 I don't think it's about being a Muslim. Conflicts and chaos in Mindanao area of the Philippines are usually caused by terrorism and separatism. Separatists wanted independence because they are conquered by Spain and US but after the Philippine Independence Declaration, many people in Mindanao were not asked if they want to join the Republic of the Philippines and Filipinos from Luzon just conquered them. Local terrorists in Mindanao are mostly Muslims but not because they muslims but because they are radicalized by foreign terrorists that indoctrinate them. Most muslims in the Philippines are moderates.
As a filipino we don't want to go to war against our brothers&sisters ❤
Hindi ka tunay na Pinoy wag ka magpanggap. Mind conditioning lang yan sus.
Then stop talking about it. 😅
@@nanajp8 You have a single life. Don't waste it.
as a sabahan we philipine and sabah was deceived by history since long ago. There is no relationship of information between two nations separated by two different governments. it should have been since the formation of Sabah and since Sabah entered Malaysia, the relationship should not have been severed to allow the people of Sabah to know the past relationship between the two separated area.
As a Malaysian residing in Sabah, I really hope this wont happen.
As a Filipino, it hopefully won't, but if it ever did, blame your snake-like govt for sowing the seeds of discord between our two peoples and stealing territory that never belonged to them in the first place. Say salam to all of our Philippine relatives (Tausug/Suluk, Iranun, Bajau etc) there, and please treat them well. Filipinos are discriminated against by most of your people, and its stupid, since we share the same Austronesian ancestors.
@@derbdep Sulu/PH need to resolve 2 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia.
Firstly, Sulu need to show undisputable proof that earlier, Brunei Sultanate (original owner) give North Borneo (Sabah) to Sulu as a gift for assisting in the Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of 29/12/1877 agreement (consist of 4 agreements) signed by Brunei Sultanate that grant the whole of North Borneo to British North Borneo Company (BNBC). These agreements exist and keep in the National Archives in London. The word “grant” been used, and it has never been challenged or protest by Brunei, even when the British turned North Borneo into British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946) and finally British Parliament under the Malaysia Act 1963 incorporate it into Malaysia.
Secondly, let assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish his territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and Carpenter Agreement on 22/3/1915 with the US. Later Spain and US relinquish North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. At the end, Sulu has nothing.
Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.
@@hopelope1703 👍👍👍😁
sulu no good....wee figh sulu⚔️🪦🤺good by sulu R.I.P
As a Filipino, we don't want you people. We want our land back.
The Philippines will never invade or go to war with any ASEAN nation / nations for it is against the constitutional republic of the Philippines to declare war over any sovereign country. But the Philippines will support the Independence of Sabah or Sarawak from West Malaya if they request to be part of ASEAN as new member states.
Any provocation can be consider an act of war especially to an sovereign state recognize by UN since 1963. Think.
@@hopelope1703the same UN that helps Israel rob the rights of Palestinians? Think
Whatever PH said, ASEAN shall be aware by now that PH are "sold" out to USA out of ASEAN..
sabah and sarawak will always be a an equal partner of the federation of Malaysia. sabah and sarawak will always support the secession of bangsamoro's mindanao, sulu and palawan from the illegal occupation of the US puppet government in manila.
@@hopelope1703 sabah milik Sultan sulu
As a Filipino .. I don't want war .. Beacuse we are all ASIAN brothers and sisters ❤❤ no war just love ❤❤
Peace! 🇲🇾 🤝🇵🇭
Save our Dayak brothers and sisters from imperialism and colonialism carried out by the Malays, the peninsula. SABAH or North Kalimantan is not the crown of Great Britain.
the betrayal committed by the sultanate of melaka against the sultanate of sulu violated common rights. Previously, Putrajaya promised a decent living guarantee for the Dayak tribes in the north. however, when northern Borneo lands were taken over to form the Federation of Malaysia. Putrajaya betrayed the Malaysia Agreement, in 1963 (Malaysia Agreement 1963/MA63). finally, the British North Borneo Company annexed the territories of Sarawak and Sabah to form the Commonwealth of Nations (former British colony) into a single unit, namely the federation of Malaysia, under full British rule in 1882.
Until now, Sabah land has gas reserves of around 11 to 12 trillion cubic feet and 1.5 billion barrels of oil reserves, all of which are utilized by the state-owned company "PETRONAS". According to the prime minister of Sabah, oil and gas revenue sharing tends to be unfair and fraudulent under dictatorial and authoritarian regimes.
The kingdoms of Sarawak and Sabah are described as the poorest, slums, and the people living there are second-class citizens. all oil resources of sabah and sarawak are allocated to downtown melaka for the PROSPERITY of the peninsular kingdom only.
as the origin of sabah, if we disengage with that bad peninsula. I am sure that the spirit of our region will be more prosperous, economically advanced, strong, sovereign than other countries in the Southeast Asian region.
STAND UP MY BROTHER! OPINION THE COOPERATION! FREEDOM, FREEDOM, FREEDOM SARAWAK AND SABAH!
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LOL. No war, yet the rightful owners are starving. Oil/Gas are plenty in Sabah.
Sabah Philippines, Walang makukuha kahit Isang inches ng lupa sa pilipinas...Pag di nila binalik ng matiwasay War is Coming..
@@nolanfajardo7794kasi bulok ang pinoy kaya nagugutom 😂
I dont understand why filipino wants sabah that doesnt belong to them and wants a fight which they cant win, i am a sabahan and trust me we sabahan feel even disgusted to call ourselves part of the filiphinos, even the video said a un survey stated a majority of sabahan choose Malaysia. Do average filiphinos and muslim rebels in the south philip think we sabahan would put down our malaysia flag without a fight,they will be chaos, rebelions and outrages from the local sabahans, we see the sulu sultanate as desperate poor man who wants title and wealth not as a leader or saviour
@@fkoff7649 lol! Before the British, Sabah was already colonised by two sultanates, the sulus and brunei. Both sultanate doesnt own sabah, they colonised and the british just came to replace both of them. Malaysian govs paid the rents because it was the british terms, how come u take rents when u dont even own the land not even the entirely
And the poor Philippines wants her land back. Philippines already won the ICJ and said Philippines are the rightful owners of Sabah. Go search it please. 😊
Sorry for the word disgusted i think your racist but dont you think we are in the same race ,,, sabah is yours you can remain sabahan so dont be such cry baby, you think that we are losers and you are ahead of us or what so ever, i think we are more human than you, just love your country but dont look down to other country shame on you to speak like that you dont have any basis to insult people from other country, by the way im from the south part of the the Philippines and im filipino muslim and we support our brothers in sulu so don’t talk shit with them because you don’t know there struggles back then nor there history,
@@fkoff7649 What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? But Brunei Sultanate (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
If you say it is a rent, then where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the lease and payment? Why in the 1878 agreement do not mention Malaysia as a party to that agreement? Why in the receipts of payment (in Sulu possession) did not state the money is for the rent or related to the 1878 agreement? Giving away money is not an offence.
@@fkoff7649diam la pinoy
This channel is a hidden gem 💎
Any Filipino and Sulu supporters would point to the 1878 agreement and claim that Sabah was lease to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). But there are numerous evidence to point that Sulu did not previously own Sabah as the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs would suggest, the claim that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu as a gift can be disputed and debunked by the following evidence:
- 1877 Agreement
Prior to the 1878 Agreement which was signed between the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) and the Sultanate of Sulu, there was an agreement that was signed in 1877 between the Sultanate of Brunei and the British North Borneo Company. Within this agreement, the word “grant” has been used numerous times. It’s also stated within the agreement that the entirety of North Borneo (Sabah) will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) for 15,000 Mexican gold coins .
With these statements, it’s clear that the Sulu Sultanate did not own North Borneo (Sabah) and that the 1878 agreement is redundant.
I would also like to point out that within the 1878 agreement, the word “pajak” was meant to be stated a “grant and cede”, and within the receipts of the so-called “rent payments” are listed as cession payment. Cession means to give something away. With that this proves that the 1878 Agreement wasn’t a lease agreement but rather a cession agreement.
But let’s say for the sake of argument that the Sultanate of Brunei gifted North Borneo (Sabah) to the Sultanate of Sulu and that the Sultanate of Sulu did indeed own Sabah and that the 1878 agreement was a lease agreement. Yet the Sultanate of Sulu has signed many agreements which relinquishes their rights over Sabah. These are the following:
- 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement
This agreement highlights the Sultanate of Sulu’s surrender of sovereignty to Spain. This means that anything happens whether internal or external affairs is under Spanish jurisdiction.
- Article III of the Madrid Protocol of 1885
The Madrid Protocol of 1885 was an agreement between the United Kingdom, Germany, and Spain to recognise Spain’s rule over the Sulu Archipelago. There is a particular statement within Article III which states that Spain will relinquish all of their claims on Borneo. This alongside with the 1878 Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement as stated previously shows that the Sultanate of Sulu now no longer have any jurisdiction over North Borneo (Sabah). This also means that North Borneo (Sabah) is now under complete British jurisdiction.
- 1903 Confirmation of Cession
This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the British North Borneo Company (BNBC) in which it states that the Sultanate of Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo (Sabah) as well as additional islands which is how the payment of 5,000 Mexican gold coins which at this point has switched entirely to the Malayan dollar increased to 5,300 Malayan dollars.
- 1915 Carpenter Agreement
This agreement was signed between the Sultanate of Sulu and the United States. Within this agreement it states that any power that the Sultan of Sulu has over his land has been given to the Philippines which is under American-rule.
-1930 Anglo-US Border Convention
This agreement was signed between the United States and the United Kingdom. This agrement also define the border of North Borneo (Sabah) and the Philippines with the agreement being that North Borneo (Sabah) will remain under British jurisdiction and the Philippines being under American jurisdiction.
-1963 Malaysia Agreement
Finally this agreement was signed between the United Kingdom, Malaya, Singapore, Sarawak, and North Borneo (Sabah) to form a new country now known as Malaysia. Now that North Borneo (Sabah) has gained it’s independence from the UK, they opted to join this agreement and with the previous agreements signed, it means that North Borneo (Sabah) now have self-determination. And with the UK approving this agreement under the Malaysia Act of 1963 which has been passed in the British Parliament. This agreement has also been recognised by the United Nations and agreed on by the UN General Assembly and the UN Secretary-General himself. This means that Sabah is now rightful Malaysian territory.
With all of these facts in place, it’s clear that Sabah rightfully belongs to Malaysia and neither the Philippines nor Sulu have any legal claims over Sabah.
just came back from sabah few days ago. such a beautiful malaysian state 🤩
Beautiful but poor malaysian state
Beautiful malaysian state, love from Indonesia
@@Alghi451 indah bgt. saya pun suka indonesia. orang ramah, makanan enak & pemandangan cantik. salam dari singapore 🤭
@@aranimpact thank you . Are you Singaporean malay ?
@@Alghi451 yup 😊
Sabah is, and always be, a part of Malaysia ( plus it will be in good hands under malaysia )
Malaysia was just founded in 1963.
Sabah is part of Sulu since 1658. Evidences provided in court and helped Sulu Sultanate to win the case in international court.
Everyone else whether UK or Malaysian government are just renting these lands and all are documented with receipts and paid rentals.
This is an issue because Sabah for a large part of MYs economy and population.
Nevertheless you have to pay overdue rentals and give the land to the owner when rental contract has been violated (non-payment of rentals for years).
MY has benefited greatly from the use of this rented lands, all of this issue are but just abuse of the generosity of the Sulu Sultanate, violation of international agreements, and violation of international based rule of law.
malaysian gov are bunch of squatters refusing to pay pajakan rent
its not part of malaysia, know the history first before you comment
It's turns out that no country claimed Sulu because it turns out that Sulu is a country itself.
Pay up renters!
Hello i'm from Sabah and i want to say i am proud to be Malaysian🇲🇾🇲🇾
Those pinoy unmplyd keyboard warrior will be coped harder for this fact
But that very land was part of the Sultanate of Sulu's possesion (now they give the legal rights to the Philippine Government), even the government of Malaysia have no say to this fact and still pays the Padjak.. 15 Billion US Dollars compensation and the entire north Sabah is waiting to be handed legally to it's rightful owner..
@@Tokskisulu still in power?
@@PemadamGergasi, the Sulu Sultanate has long been integrated to be part of the Republic of the Philippines, though the existing descendants of the previous Sulu Sultans have the concrete and solid evidence and documentations that the nothern part of Sabah legally belongs to the Philippine Government through the Sultanate..
@@Tokski sulu lost control in borneo before sabah join malaysia. Please respect people choice in referendum.
Sulu also lost control in other island such as mindanao, palawan etc
As a Filipino, ever since this issue was taught to us in school, I was a contrarian. I always felt that the people of Sabah should decide for themselves what government they want. I very much doubt that being part of the Philippines is a majority would want. I think the claim should be dropped and let's move on, but its near political suicide to say so. So the claim is just that an empty claim, but no Filipino President will ever actually go to war for it.
good. then if you give it up, also give up your claims in the south china sea. show the world how weak your country is. don't claim things and just give things. very good for a nation who only eats pagpag.
Dumali ka naman sa As a Filipino, hindi naman giyera ang sagot. Naparaming way ang pwedeng gawin. Di pa nga natatanong ang majority pero ikaw na ang sumasagot. Kung ikaw ang naagawan ng lupa ng mga dayuhan, hindi ba dapat ipaglaban? May legal na paraan para mabawi ang lupa, hindi naman ito ty na lang. Ang lupa ng Pilipinas dapat mapakinabangan ng Filipino hindi ng mga banyaga. Madaling magcomment na hayaan at mag move on. Pero kung makakarating ka sa lugar sa bahaging yan, makikita mo ang sinasabi mo.
If I were a resident of Sabah, I’d choose Malaysia over the Philippines because of their passport alone lol.
Sulu/PH need to resolve 2 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia.
Firstly, Sulu need to show undisputable proof that earlier, Brunei Sultanate (original owner) give North Borneo (Sabah) to Sulu as a gift for assisting in the Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of 29/12/1877 agreement (consist of 4 agreements) signed by Brunei Sultanate that grant the whole of North Borneo to British North Borneo Company (BNBC). These agreements exist and keep in the National Archives in London. The word “grant” been used, and it has never been challenged or protest by Brunei, even when the British turned North Borneo into British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946) and finally British Parliament under the Malaysia Act 1963 incorporate it into Malaysia.
Secondly, let assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish his territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and Carpenter Agreement on 22/3/1915 with the US. Later Spain and US relinquish North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. At the end, Sulu has nothing.
Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.
SINCE YOU ARE ADAMANT TO CONVINCE ME, THE BURDEN TO PRESENT PROOFS IS ON YOUR SIDE, NOW PRESENT YOUR PROOFS THAT;
S A B A H IS PART OF MALAYSIA!!!!!
UK created the middle east issue and also this wow 😮
Exactly. You may also include Punjab/ India/ Pakistan/ Bangla Desh.
they made palestines and israelites fighting each other too
As a filipino we will not fight our brother malaysia just for a land that they said in Philippines in the past we support each other
Nice and very informative video. But still has a lot of missing information. I hope you can create an updated and more thorough discussion of this topic. You should also include the plight of the Suluks who were removed from Sabah even though they were born there and the status of other Stateless people in that part of the Island. Also please include discussion on historical maps from neighboring nations (old maps not from Philippines, Britain, nor Malaysia) indicating that Northeast Sabah bears the Sulu name in the old times.
Your information is wrong, the Dayaks of Sabah are the original Sabahans, my ancestors, not the Suluks, the Suluks are in Sabah only because Brunei gave them half of Sabah's land. ONLY HALF, not the whole SABAH!!
@@demonstyle97 I agree with my fellow Sabahans, Suluks were never a tribe in Sabah. Malaysia under the Federal Constitutition, stated in Article 22. "Citizenship through territorial integration.
If any new territory is admitted into the Federation after Malaysia Day pursuant to Article 2, then Parliament may by law determine who shall be citizens by reason of their connection with that territory and the date or dates on which they shall become citizens". Suluks was never a tribe until recently in 1952 while other indiginious tribes remained in Sabah for thousands of years.
@@demonstyle97 Please read my comment again:
1. I did not say that Suluks were indigenous to Sabah. But those Suluks who were born in Sabah, and whose parents were also born in Sabah, were kicked out. They even do not know Philippine culture. A Singaporean expert documented it.
2. I am also aware that NOT THE WHOLE Sabah was given to the Sultanate of Sulu, only a portion was given. That is why I typed only Northeast of Sabah. Please read my post again. The old map I saw was shared by a Thai person.
@@florenzryansotelo8552 What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? But Brunei Sultanate (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
@@hopelope1703here we again you're government is trying to cover their crime lol Don't forget that the European Court only stands for their own benefit; look what happened in Africa and the Middle East; all were biased if your country is poor! And don't forget that they were colonizers in the first place, and the UK is the master of Malaysia, the one who created the puppet state of Malaysia and transferred the territories of Brunei to Malaysia. That's why search the history borneo rebellion or the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei_Civil_War
so their will be no more clown like you lol
if you have LOGIC try to annalized why brunie territories shrink to that extent? and who's the 2 sabotage theft who steal its land lol
The Philippines invading a country is like seeing your high school friend who's been bullied for the entire semester tell you not to come to school tomorrow.
It's not the Philippines, it was the sultanate's men
Keep on believing
it was never malaysia's in the first place. it is just a landlord coming back to his leased land.
@@xXxSkyViperxXx Better off with Malaysia than you guys. The people of Sabah wanted that.
@@xXxSkyViperxXxAnd forcefully taking it back illegally
On 4th August 1977, former President Marcos Sr declared he will take steps to drop the claim on Sabah during the 2nd ASEAN Summit Meeting in Kuala Lumpur. An agreement or undertaking made orally between two states is as valid as a written treaty with reference to Article 67 of the Vienna Convention on Law of Treaties 1969 as at that time President Marcos was the Head of a State.
Sabah is originally is from Philippines 🇵🇭 not from
Malaysia..
Sulu/PH need to resolve 2 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia.
Firstly, Sulu need to show undisputable proof that earlier, Brunei Sultanate (original owner) give North Borneo (Sabah) to Sulu as a gift for assisting in the Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of 29/12/1877 agreement (consist of 4 agreements) signed by Brunei Sultanate that grant the whole of North Borneo to British North Borneo Company (BNBC). These agreements exist and keep at the National Archives in London. The word “grant” been used, and it has never been challenged or protest by Brunei, even when the British turned North Borneo into British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946) and finally British Parliament under the Malaysia Act 1963 incorporate it into Malaysia.
Secondly, let assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish his territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and Carpenter Agreement on 22/3/1915 with the US. Later Spain and US relinquish North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. At the end, Sulu has nothing.
Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.
What proof do you have that the Philippines have legal claims over Sabah?
As a Filipino, sabah isn't really important as the Mindanao region is still unstable. And if sabah will be part of the Philippines it will just be a complicated mess
🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾 sabah, malaysia.. from sabahan people.. 😊
Federasi malaysia britis 1965!!
@@sagalaayachannel6467maaf kami tidak meladeni ank BELANDA di sini .. begitu lah sikap netijen indonesia ..tidak sopan.. wajarlah dilabel sebagai netijen paling tidak sopan di Dunia ...
Sebagai rakyat Sabah ..Saya juga cintakan 🇲🇾.
sabah is part of philippines
Sabah is part of Malaysia...Forever and never
Southeast Asian & the Malay-Austronesian people know it’s useless to fight over a conflict that the Western colonizers started. Even President Marcos & PM Ibrahim agree that it’s best to settle peacefully. ASEAN is better when we are united 👍
Please make the video on Malaysia's role in the insurrecion of various moro groups in Mindanao
Guam Native here! Please enlighten me and forgive my ignorance
Let History be history, Sabah is now Malaysia, move on
I don't want war but I don't want to reject the rights of our people who owns Sabah. I wish this will be solve in a peaceful manner since lives are at stakes here.
@@dilucragnvindr130 MOVE ON
@@tomhello7314 if something is stolen from you, i hope everyone including the cops will say, move on!
@@dilucragnvindr130 got it
Yassss
Hi @Hindisight, we would like you to make Part. 2 !!
Sabahan would prefer RM over pesos 😂
Both are fuck up currencies
true
@@kinkin697
Agree absolutely
As a Filipino, we don't need a pointless war.
Will disrupt 5.6% gdp growth rate.
Nah, keep Sabah to Malaysia. It's not like the residents of Sabah wants to join the Philippines. There needs to be a Sabah referendum to join the Philippines. Otherwise, there will just be decades of conflict and people dying.
@labayajamiylfahad755 Reading comprehension is not your forte. I understand.
@@JoeBigBoi just leave him be bro. That dude probably got too much ego in his patriotism
I'm with you I'm Malaysian and want Malaysia to keep sabah
I don't think the people are what the Philippines is after for, the residents can stay in Malaysia if they want. The land belongs to the Philippines, that's what they're after. They can either stay in the land that belongs to the Philippines or move somewhere in Malaysia if they insist on staying in Malaysian land.
Nah Philippines never have any right to Sabah, it was legally leased to the British by Sulu Sultanate for "as long as there is stars and moon" then joined Malaysia by it's people will. Also Sulu only used to own only a tiny portion of Sabah not it's entirety, and fyi Brunei have a stronger claim on Sabah cause they used to own the entirety of Sabah and Sulu was it's satellite state but they never bitching about claiming it unlike Philippines cause they are educated about history
We are Brothers 🇲🇾❤️🇵🇭
As a Filipino I would let the people of Sabah Decide. We don't need war, we need trust & cooperation towards our respective countries prosperity.
Any Saban with an IQ above 50 will choose Malaysia 100% of the time.
no as a filipino the phillipines should claim its territory kung ayaw ng taga saba sa pilipinas pde sila umalis salupain na nasasakupan ng pinas gnun lang yun at ilagay doon ang mga pilipino sa lupa na yun bakit ipamimigay ng pinas ang lupa na sakop nito sa ibang bansa na ang dapat nakikinabang ih pilipino
Philippine don't want war , are u sure ?
With endmerica military base in Philippine , don't want war ?
saabahans paalisin mo dun? haha nauna sila tao dun ancestral lands nila yun. d naman talaga original sa sultan of sulu yun. nguan kung ayaw ng mga sabahans sa pilipinas mapipilit mo ba? another rebellion na naman yan pag nangyari@@rommelymas8100
@@rommelymas8100 lol kung ayaw mo bang maging espanol pinaalis ka ba nila totoy
As Indonesian we support Philippines to get Sabah back from them.
Indonesian, Filipinos and Thai are brothers & sisters and our enemy is one that is malaydeshian
Sulu/PH needs to resolve 3 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia. Firstly, Sulu needs to show undisputable proof that earlier, the Brunei Sultanate (original owner) gave North Borneo (Sabah) to Sulu as a gift for assisting in Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of the 29/12/1877 agreement (consisting of 4 agreements) signed by the Brunei Sultanate that grants the whole of North Borneo to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). These agreements exist and are kept at the National Archives in London. The word “grant” has been used, and it has never been challenged or protested by Brunei, even when the British turned North Borneo into a British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946), and finally British Parliament under the Malaysia Act 1963 incorporate it into Malaysia. Secondly, let's assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. The Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish his territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and the Carpenter Agreement on 22/3/1915 with the US. Later Spain and the US relinquished North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. In the end, Sulu has nothing. Thirdly, after the second point above, PH claims North Borneo (Sabah) is null and void. For any colonized colony that seeks independence, the territory (sovereignty) is based on what has been given by their colonizer. In this regard, the principle of uti posseditis juris is applicable, acceptable, and recognized internationally. PH got their independence from the US in 1946 and under this principle, there is NO North Borneo. Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay. The UN has recognized Sabah in Malaysia since 1963.
We Indonesian🇮🇩support our Austronesian brother🇵🇭🤝🏼
As a 🇲🇾, we support Papua independence ✊
What do you mean by 'we'.. It's only you and your kind. How the about OPM in Papua and GAM in Acheh? Please mind your own business first.. Your internal conflicts are much better to be taken care of rather than putting your nose to where you don't belong.
@@azrifmik4elblud still live in 2003💀 OPM bout to get mass gen0c1de from our govt😎 cope harder midgaysia melayudesh🇲🇾🇧🇩🦍😤🤣
@@wanabdulazim1893 Full support for sulu sultanate 🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨
We Malaysian made Indon our cheap illegal labours & prostitute
TLDR: No, we won't. We're busy just trying to survive. Have you seen the price of onions? 🤣
I am a Filipino, and I don't see the necessity for conflict as long as my fellow Filipinos in Sabah live in peace and harmony with the Malaysians. We ought to put the theological disagreement aside. If we communicate politely, patiently, and with respect, there is no problem we can't resolve.
The Philippines cannot use their past documents or claims to assert ownership over Sabah. This is a foolish act that could lead to serious consequences. For example, China could use the same method to claim that Philippine islands belonged to China thousands of years ago, or to assert that historically Taiwan has always been part of China. This is an unacceptable and foolish behavior. The decision about Sabah should be made by its own people through a vote, whether they want to remain with Malaysia, become part of the Philippines, or even become independent. It is not up to the Filipinos to decide.
Not to mentioned the past documents shows no proof of a rent nor a lease. Sabah was ceded by Brunei and Sulu with the word “pajak” meant to be stated as grant and cede, not lease and rent.
Sabah was historically and legally owned by Sultanate of Sulu, respectively a part of Philippine archipelago but unfortunately Malaysian government is greedy. Yes, people there in Sabah are majority Malaysians, but the land was not a part of Malaysia.
JUSTICE for the Sulu Sultanate especially the Kiram Family.
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@@spikulatifr326 lol, Malaysia was only created in 1963, The story of Sabah to Philippines is older than that.
I am Filipino Muslim, and Sabah is ours 🇵🇭❤
Such a war obviously won't happen to begin with. Philippines is incredibly weak relative to Malaysia, and would just end up defeated quickly while not gaining anything. Why get your head bashed in by someone many times your size?
As a Filipino, I am willing to let Sabah be part of Malaysia just to keep the peace in the region and have a formal agreement with Malaysian government about it. As it turns out, we must focus our attention towards China in the West Philippine Sea.
anong pinagkaiba nun?ibibigay mo yung sayo para lang magfucos sa isa tanga ka ba?.isipin mo nmn nararamdaman ng mga totoong may ari sa sabah yung mga sultan sa mindanao na sila tlga may ari.bakit d ba pweding kunin atin na wala ma sasakripisyo?parang binenta mo na tatay mo mapalaya lng nanay mo kung ganyan
Yan na naman sa word na As Filipino. As a real Filipino, West Philippine Sea, Sabah or any part of Philippines di dapat pinamimigay na lang sa mga magnanakaw ng teritoryo at sabihing move on na lang. Filipino ka ba talaga, hahayaan mo na lang kamkamin ang lupa mo, angkinin ang yaman mo, papayag ka na lang ba? Di ka tunay na Filipino.
Bida2x na as a filipino 😢
@@PinoyTVNews dami mo alam la ka namann magawa
You a Nice Person much more.experence of history...I'm.malaysian of Johor..I speak visaya.tagalog.little bit Broken Spanish..Elocano..Philippines..many of m'y Friends..Pinoy...
The British Empire should be Blamed for land dispute between the Philippines and Malaysia for they made..if their fault....
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? But Brunei Sultanate (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
Wow. That's Great Idea to make another video. > Toronto, Canada
Issues like this is never really forgotten, it is ingrained in the national psche of both nation.. It will pester on but it will eventually boil over..
Such a war obviously won't happen to begin with. Philippines is incredibly weak relative to Malaysia, and would just end up defeated quickly while not gaining anything. Why get your head bashed in by someone many times your size?
Malaysia being a British Client State supplied then the MNLF through the British with arms ang training and the cover story is about the Sabah claims. Malaysia has boots in Mindanao as part of the observation group along with Japan Australia and Indonesia. Its really all about the oil deposits around Sabah and probably the Sulu Sultanate knew about it and they ask for an increase in the rent. It was reported Malaysia stopped payments and the family now focused on PETRONAS. Why is it in any part of the world when UK is involved it caused problems in that part of the world.
Well said...
To add it up, Malaysia too is the breeding ground of Abu Sayyaf and Jimaah Islamia terrorist group that is also affiliated to ISIS
Malaysia stopped payment after last invasion by the Sulu people. This was when the PM was Najib Rajak the crook who is now languishing in Prison. Some may think it is such a petty matter as the sum is so trivial since it has not kept up with inflation.
@@YoonLeeKokyes, but the payment is symbolic, which means Malaysia stopped paying them when the Lahad Datu incident happened as they have done the act of aggression.
This junk UK vassal state doesn't deserve to exist in our region.
Here's a little advice:
Focus on your country's economy and stability first. Too much corruption and failing economy. Even brining Sabah into Philippines, it will be the day the Philippines self destruct from total failure of government. Civil war outbreak, new issues popping out from the new territory, country will fall into poverty, locals protesting, death.
Sabah is living happily in Malaysia, better economy, great infrastructure, racial and religious recognition, support from Malaysians, etc. Dont you think it's better for them to flourish under a better country?
The one thing I'm curious about is, when Sabah is flourishing, the terrorists bagan to invade. Isn't this the same when the Sultan who once had control on Sabah is winning a war, then the Sulu joined in later to help the sultan? Just to be rewarded a piece of Sabah?
The Philippine cannot legally invade Malaysia even if they wanted to. The Manila Accord signed by both Parties, made sure of that.
Malaysia should just keep Sabah. If Sabah was sent back to the Philippines, it’s just going to be in mismanaged.
As a Sabahan, I wholeheartedly agree. One thing I don't like about it being in Malaysia is the muslim reign. They've been converting people left and right, and if the Phillippines intervene perhaps the issue could be solved. Then again, not worth fighting for,
@@archimedesfromteamfortress2 That's a good thing. The truth will always prevail
@@jesusnotgod5635 do whatever you want with your religion just don't shove it down people's throats and let us worship our own Gods in peace.
@@archimedesfromteamfortress2aik??? Sejak bila orang muslim paksa orang bukan muslim masuk islam? Melainkan orang bukan muslim tu nak kahwin dengan orang muslim, jadi orang bukan muslim tu kena la masuk islam due to under Islamic law. Nabi kami tak pernah paksa orang bukan islam masuk islam.
Let Sabah be independent
I have to correct you, the Spanish did not reach Mindanao the Spanish give up on it only the Americans who took all of Mindanao do not change the history of my ancestors what kind of history did you read
Would the Philippines go to War over Sabah? I don't know, let's check our savings account... Yep... Nothing in there. Maybe next year.
The commentary war between the Philippines and Malaysia begins 🎉
ALL WRONG LAH. SABAH IS SABAH. SABAH DOES NOT BELONG TO THE PHILIPPINES OR MALAYSIA. SABAH IS INDEPENDENT. PROBLEM SOLVED. PERIOD.
FROM : SINGAPORE 🇸🇬 👨⚖️🤵♂️
AGREE ABSOLUTELY
Singapore is Indonesia
@@alikhidzam9007
Indonesia is Singapore 🇸🇬
@@kinkin697 wrong
Most Filipinos do not seriously consider the Sabah issue.
Malaysia already win against sulu at belanda court, no more chance for sulu
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I don't know about you guys but me as a Filipino, I don't want war between our lovely neighbours especially with our SEA nations. We are one.
Sana maayos sa mabuting usapan ang lahat. We all just want to live in peace. #NOTOWAR 🇵🇭🇲🇾 WE ARE ONE
Halimbawa may pinaopa kang lupa . Kusto mo kunin sa iyong lupa payah ka na sa kanya na ?
Weak thats why there’s no progress in this country because of hypocritical mindset and slave colonial mentality this people have
You think your a saint? Why do you think spratly islands was taken from us in our face? Because of that kind of mentality
Sooner or later a different culture or country will come creeping in and will destroy this country inside and out and when that happens it going to be too late thats why we’re always neglected in the world stage because you don’t have pride as a Filipino
This pinoy pride thing that the media is always trying to portray is laughable
I’m betting this country wouldn’t last 200 years it will break apart if we will not change
If you’re proud to be a Filipino fight for what is ours
the only way to achieve peace is war.... you are ignorant in world history.... what a shame.... also in current events... you're completely blind....
Fuck no, if war is the only answer to get Sabah back, we will do it no matter what happened
Pag tiningnan mo ang mga account neto di naman Pinoy yan sinasabi lang nila na as a Filipino, para ma brainwash ang ibang Pinoy na okay lang no to war, Hindi naman gusto ang war pero all out support tayo sa kababayan at Philippine Territory, di naman pwedeng ganun ganun na lang. Basta ibigay sa ibang tao ang lupa at pag.aari ng Pinoy ng Philippines.
As a sabahan who born in sabah and live in sabah,we didn't have any connections between Philippines,we are part of Malaysia and we are one of the state of Malaysia, Philippines claim sabah is part of them,but actually they're not,Sultan Sulu is a robber😂🤮if you're not born in Sabah, don't think Sabah is part of those Philippines😑
The Hero of Sabah is a Suluk o Tausug named Mat Salleh and married the Princess of Sulu named Dayang Bandang.
who says sabah is not part of phil?..why you pay for rent for sultunate of sulo?...simple like that..i know people of sabahan wont agree to this because they born and raised by the culture of malaysia..muslims people..but you must accept the reality that sabah is a phil territory..if we can't claim it by papers as legal. sooner or later maybe by force i know it will be bloody...the filipino pride protect the land no matter what..
I suport phillipines.
Why do you want to ruin sabah
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Honestly, any Filipino wanting war over Sabah should really re-think their life decisions. Supporting this type of campaign shows how irrational someone could be, even when the document is presented in front of them.
The Philippines should abandon its "claims" on Sabah, as they do not represent the Sulu Sultanate, but the Filipino people themselves. This dispute is seriously the most idiotic thing ever in Southeast Asia, and has the same vibes as China claiming the SCS because "historical pretext".
Sabah never belonged to the Philippines. End of story.
@ginra9594 by that logic all ASEAN countries should renounce their claims on the South China Sea and let China occupy those territories as Chinese claims are historical.
As pilipino I'm love 🇲🇾.. respect them
Wag ka masyado magtiwala ,,,maging loyalist nalang tayo sa sarili nating bansa
@@bluecanterifykung ako nasa Sabah, ayaw ko mapunta sa Pilipinas. Economic wise, IQ rating ng mga tao, income per capita napakababa.
@@kurugaligala2266
tama... gising ka pa.. mabuti pang wag na lang gumising araw-araw.
bagama't mayroon din
kumakain ng umaga, tanghali at gabi araw-araw?
@@bluecanterify
kung willing kang kumain ng pag pag araw araw, ituloy mo..
Respect our country yess western destroy our relationship remember?? Youbstupid if deny
1:59 correction
This is where the issue begins. The Sultan of Brunei never hand over the North part of Sabah to the Sultan of Sulu and still denied it until today. All because the Sultan of Brunei at the time whom has won the war insisted that the Sultan of Sulu had never send army as promised. And claimed they won the war without any involvement of the Sulu state. This is the truth as the Sultan of Sulu younger brother who lead the army (through the sea) lied to his brother the Sultan insisted that he fight the war... That's why the Sultan of Sulu still until now claims Sabah 😎
Then why Malaysia rented the land in the first place? It means Malaysian government recognized heirs of sultanate of sulo as the owner of the land 😎
@@user-bq4yg9gg4m yes, because of one or two persons lack of understanding the history becomes a minister and followed the famous Sultan Sulu claimed ( instead of Sultan Brunei claimed) is the reason why this became complecated. This is what happens when Bozo the clown 🤡 played an important part of Malaysia history especially the Sabah.
@@user-bq4yg9gg4m yet Malaysia claim it is secession money. It is just here say only and unless there are proper documents, this whole payment can be anything depending on who said what.
LOL If war happens there, Malaysia will become like Palestine. Kuala Lumpur will become like Gaza strip within a few months.
Dream on, you think your country’s military is capable of going to war with Malaysia? The Armed Forces of the Philippines barely have a standing navy, let alone an air force. Malaysia recently has put in its budget to improve the Malaysian Armed Forces. And as a member of ASEAN, if the Philippines dares to attack Malaysia then your country will be kicked out of the alliance. I should also remind you that Malaysia has signed a defense pact with the United Kingdom, Singapore, Australia, and New Zealand, so a war is not an ideal event for the Philippines.
@@themalaysianpatriot3099 Nobody cares about UK, AUS and NZ. LOL This year is 2024, not 1950. What a dumb pig.... 🤣
@@themalaysianpatriot3099 lol Still thinking of UK, AUS, NZ help.. lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣 What a brainless pig 😅
@@peterkovinski8476 Ha ha ha ha ha. That 1971 Five Power Defence Arrangements is still valid. Every year they carry out military exercises. But for PH, you need to read Article 1 of the Mutual Defence Treaty 1951 with the US. The UN has recognized Sabah in Malaysia since 1963. The US will not assist PH if PH ever goes to war with Malaysia and other members of the FPDA. Think.
@@hopelope1703 USA is funding Jews killing Palestinians in Gaza. You war with us you'll become like them 🤣 Piglet... LOL
philippines and malaysia are brothers in many ways brothers and sisters should not fight but talk about things that are not agreed upon..
Philippines Sending peace to our brother Malaysia.✌✌
Not War - we are promoting peace, whatever it is, they talk in a diplomatic way
Spanish and America not claimed Sabah.
Only abolished sultanate want claim Sabah.
🇵🇭❤️🇲🇾 peace brother ✌️
We aint brother, ur brother is U.S
@@laru2952 cry cope and seethe
@Alghi451 Nah I'm Malaysian and I don't like Indonesians because of Indo and Malay confrontation look at them very poor than us in GDP Per Capita and one of the dirtiest river on earth 💀💀
@@laru2952 you think i care over immature keyboard warrior and SJW who only dares through social? ofc no get a life
@@laru2952 immature keyboard troll easily got triggered,cope harder
Sabah remains part of Malaysia. End of story
UN recognizes the people of Sabah's decision to self-determine, and the world respects its choice.
We only have lots of keyboard warriors, but in reality, Philippines wouldn't fight for Sabah. It's a "lost cause" as President Aquino said before. Panay kayabangan lang, pero di naman nagsasaliksik talaga yung iba sa kababayan natin.
Besides, our claim doesn't really hold much water, when did the last time Sabah was "part" of the Philippines? Back in 1800s when Sulu Sultanate became a tributary state of Spanish Empire. It was never under the direct control of Spanish East Indies, nor it was ever part of the Philippine Republic.
respect
True definitely well said
The Sulu Sultanates claim is plausible though. Keep in mind, in international law, documentary evidence matters. And the Sultanate has contracts and records of lease payments.
@@hijodelsoldeoriente even the record not complete and not strong enough...duh 🙄🙄🙄
@@hijodelsoldeoriente it's not about who owns the land before. Its what the people think. As a filipino myself why would i go to war for a land that holds no meaning for my country? Majority of filipinos and even in politics sabah has never been an issue. Its those from sulu who wants it. Tbh, its a form of karma for sulu sultanate heirs. They turn to malysia to terrorize the philippines now they turn against malaysia because of a land dispute. The philippines will stay within its borders, sulu and sabah dispute has nothing to do with philippines in general.
We Stand our own Sabah, Philippines 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
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Kid,how many balut have u eat??
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? But Brunei Sultanate (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
As a sabahan i don't want to be part of your country
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as a filipino let sabah stay in malaysia, the people there wanna stay how it is and the conflict is not worth it, we got bigger problems to solve.
Please do the video on Moro conflict,I'm Malaysian and I would love to know more
bring it on.we ready for it..pag pag will be destroyed
A leader will someday rise up and claim the lands.
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? But Brunei Sultanate (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
Phillipino Adolf Hitler , lmao you will lose
@@alikhidzam9007I will take back this land back to phillipines
@@sethl9900 you can't even control sulu islands
Full support to the Philippines 🇵🇭 ✝️
Looks like some people readily want to wage war.
Personally if war does happen (which I don't think it will, unless there are invisible hands that wanted to divide the region), I am more concerned about the people of both countries (and surrounding countries) who will be directly involved in the war.
For Malaysia, it'll be Sabahan (obviously), some parts of Sarawak.
For others, Brunei, and parts of Kalimantan even.
For the Philippines, I see that the whole islands will be at stake, considering they have China looking in on them.
Just to satisfy the greed of several people, millions will get the backlash.
Malaysia sees this issue as some party with a hidden agenda who wants to divide the region. Someone or some entity with big money. Because the Sulu themselves are not rich, not rich enough to spend money and time to fight at international courts against a country. Someone must be helping them monetarily and advised them of legal matters. These are the 'invisible hands'.
Those who want to wage war are blind to this.
If this may be then I mostly would think of it as China's doing, if not we'll I can't point to any other power except for America, but even that would be a hitch considering they are now looking for countries to form another NATO against China.
You are forgetting Philippine relationship with the US. They are oh so readily to host the US bases in their land. Tiba-tiba they gonna report they found WMD in Sabah and we the one gonna get fucked.
It's 💯 supported by bully-China
Balabac Island, Palawan EDCA joint PH-US base will be the key to war with Malaysia. With US training and new weapons systems coming in thanks to Chinese threats, the PH will have serious capability to destroy Malaysian assets in the next decade or two. Sabah will return to the Philippines one way or another, whether by financial compensation or by force. LABAN PILIPINAS!
More brothels, more prostitutes & more fatherless kids in Palawan...😂😂
Bro forgot US won't dare to risk relations with the FPDA ( 🇸🇬🇲🇾🇦🇺🇬🇧🇳🇿)
Impossible except if Philippines under China Influence.
Weird enough... Sulu only have 1878 agreement. Yet no grant deed that official brunei have given them north borneo. Mind you, overbeck agreement have two version. 1 version is from brunei 1877 and another 1878 with sulu..
As a Sabahan we don't want Sabah becoming another slum ..
We just want to live in peace !
Sabah is part of Philippines look at malaysia its far.
@@denverovilla well Kalimantan is far away from Indonesia so is it part of sabah??
No matter how much you love to be part of malaysia.
Malaysia will be in serious debt to continue this bullshit.
You have to pay 14 billion dollars.
@@denverovillajapan right now 💀
Sabah is one of richest and developed state in Malaysia compared to the sulu Government under Philippines Government. How do you expect Sabah people want to become Filipino
make them a self govern nation its very fair..for all
@@nelsonalva617that is bloody stupid. Just because Phils can't have it you won't let them be Malaysian?
@@nelsonalva617 nope, as a Sabahan I'm more comfortable and confident with Malaysia😊
@@nelsonalva617form new small country will make sabah more exposed to foreign pirates
If Sabah becomes independent it will be easy for the Philippines to seize Sabah back.
If Sabah belongs to Philippines, so it means sabahan are now citizen of the USA?
Sabah will never ever belongs to catholic pinoys, as an Indonesian i will give full support to malaysia brother
@@Alghi451 most malay look down Indonesians so yeah you are brothers 😂😂
@@dwayne2293 we are indonesia not brothers with malon... sorry
@@mrniceman8683 what ever, rice is rice 👍
@@dwayne2293 Mabuhay Philippines... God bless
I love Phllipines brother, but the modern Philppines has no legitimacy over part Sabah as it was never belong to Sulu Sultanate in the first place. Even Brunei Sultanate can never reclaim those area back under their jurisdiction.
Filipinos and Malaysians are brothers. As Filipino, a war with malaysia is like a war with your bother. Hurting your brother inflicts more agony to yourselves.
I do hope that this issue will be settled with love.
What??? Malaysian mistreated Filipinos in Sabah! are you out of your mind?
@@alexandermonta8739Those Filipinos are illegal migrants.
@@alexandermonta8739hahahaha dumbass
I think the real owner of Sabah is Brunei
Not anymore l0l
Sultan of Brunei give Sabah to the sultan of Philippines 😂😂😂
... Do some research about Sabah ( 70% of people in Sabah right now) is PURE PILIPINO DECENT
...and they had no loyalty to Kuala Lumpur.
@@SABONGPhilippines07 sultan of Brunei only give half of sabah to sultan of sulu and then half of its kept itself
@@SABONGPhilippines07what are you bubbling at???70% people of Sabah are pure Filipino???for your information the biggest ethnic in Sabah is kadazan and kadazan people language is not same as your Filipino language please before making any statements or comments check the real information don't make people laugh at you😢😢😢
Sabah is always be part of philippine . the Malaysia rent the sabah for a long time by helping British .
Philippines is always be part of USA,cope harder
Malaysia please surrender the SABAH to Philippines Right now
@@kingphiliptongco2273 pigmoys please surrender about claiming Sabah which never be yours from beginning, we Indonesians will take punitive actions if you try something to touch our borneo
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? But Brunei Sultanate (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
If you say it is a rent, then where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the lease and payment? Why in the 1878 agreement do not mention Malaysia as a party to that agreement? Why in the receipts of payment (in Sulu possession) did not state the money is for the rent or related to the 1878 agreement? Giving away money is not an offence.
@@kingphiliptongco2273ok, ok....what's your postal address?
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You have to make it in 10 series, please please please 😂 This is the pinnacle of comedy 😂
pls dont reply to this comment this is probably one of china's keyboard warrior's