2024 Nissan Z Nismo Review - Improved Enough For Nearly $70K?
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
- The 'Nismo' moniker has historically carried high expectations from driving enthusiasts. But with no available manual transmission, and only a 20hp bump over the much cheaper normal Z, does the new Z Nismo offer enough performance and thrills for its nearly $70K price tag?
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No manual, no sale
Nissan should’ve offer MT for Nismo too.
I’m thinking Nissan will pull a Toyota and drop a MT Nismo in a couple of years as a LCI.
@@svang1991if the car still exist in couple of years
I still have not seen a new Z out in the wild, only sitting in a lot at the dealership.
For 70k they could've offered a DCT... or a 6 Spd...
It’s Nissan. Their entire business model for the past few decades is existing off bottom of the barrel cars that are mostly lease/sold to rental car agency. It’s all they really know to do, and it shows even in their “top” offerings.
@@joeracer302 Hmm... Who makes better sportscars out of the Nissan-Renault alliance then? Nissan/Infiniti or Renault/Alpine? 🤔 The Alpine A110 technically has a dual-clutch, but it's just the transverse Getrag dual clutch that comes in lots of things. Honestly, the Renault PK4 manual gearbox is decent enough (much stronger the old Renault manual box in the old Clio RS) and would suit the A110 nicely, but emissions and all that (higher WLTP CO2/km for a manual A110) is against it I guess.
@@TassieLorenzothat’s cute and all but we don’t get that car here (in the US), or any Renaults lol
For 70K, a used GTR all day every day instead of that.
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Yup.. with low mileage, too.. but I would still rather have something with a manual, rather than drive around a computer.
A whole lot of people will be financing these, hard to do that with a well used GTR
If these were actually selling at MSRP I might agree with you, but most of these are selling for closer to 60k. At 60k you're looking at a ratted out, heavily abused high miles 09 or 10 GTR that's probably one more launch from a blown trans or motor. I'd pick the Nismo Z at that point.
70k GTR gonna be clapped. Not even saying that I like this new Z, but it'd at least be brand new
Put a manual on it. Everything else checks out nicely.
These things should be around 40-45K for the normal and 50-55K for Nismo They're way overpriced.
Nah, we’re just underpaid
They're going for around 60k due to slow sales. These are overpriced at MSRP, and many people are getting 2-6k off msrp for the new ones. I've heard of a few people getting them for just shy of 60k brand new too.
Thats exactly what I've been saying. It's been years and I've never once seen a single new Z on the road or even at car shows. Let alone the Nismo. It's an awesome car but everyone would rather pay 20k less and just get a Mustang or Camaro or something
So dumb that its no manual I love everything about it except its only auto
Crazy to think you can get a 991 for this money
And you can buy a 370Z for $15k, which is basically the same car as the Z without twin-turbos! I'm not sure it's fair to compare used cars. The 991 is certainly better 'value' being a depreciated used car -- presumably parts are more expensive because they come in a box that says "Porsche Genuine Parts" on it and not "Nissan Genuine Parts" but I don't know if that's necessary true... (Of course cheaper aftermarket parts like Mahle, Lemforder etc will be available for the 911 (just as they are for the Z or 370Z)?)
Like that point. I'd take the 911.
Only a 20hp increase? That will be from a minor tweek in the tuning. The 370z Nismo used higher compression pistons for it to have more power than the regular 370. Seems like they are either penny pinching or just being lazy with this Nismo Z.
Nissan has been lazy for a long time.
No. Learn your stuff before commenting. The Nismo 370z only had a mild ECU tune and a H-pipe exhaust to get that 350hp over the base 370z 332hp. The engine internals and everything else is the same in the motor. Add to that the non adjustable coilovers, bodykit, and the Yamaha body dampers. 19 inch Nismo wheels and slightly wider tires. A Sport package 370 gets you the same brakes and oil cooler you find on the Nismo. Nismo also has the seats but not real actual Recaro Sportster CS. The bottom seat is the same as the Sport package Z only the seatback is Recaro. Compare the bolters of a real Recaro Sportster CS to the Nismo sets and you will see what I am talking about.
It was the Nismo 380RS which had a higher compression, stroked built engine from Nismo. But that was only available in Japan. That's where you saw the jump from 306hp to 350hp. Also since its a Nismo 350z, it has a seam welded chassis...something the Nismo 370z never got.
Too heavy for me to consider at that price point but it would be compelling with a proper 6 Speed. Seen one marked up to 98K at the dealership
That's outrageous.
I feel like dealerships like that don't actually want to sell them. They want it as a floor show piece and if some idiot happens to decide to pay the ridiculous price, they'll let it go. They don't let people take them for test drives or anything, so they really can't be serious. Similar to how high end stores will sell way overpriced art or designer items that are basically for show but they'll let it go if some gazillionaire walks in
that's exactly what it is. A lot more valuable to the dealer that way than selling it for a competitive price. They're only going to get one, so it really just makes logical sense. And manufacturers make them to be collector items/showpieces/legacy/clout etc. in the first place. Most people just don't realize that
@@mittortz an automatic Nismo Z with the same chassis as a Z33 shouldn't be the car to do that with. Nissan is a struggling brand, why would anyone who is not a Nissan Fanboy grab this when you could get an: Emira, M3, M2, Supra, C8, Cayman?
I’m taking a manual A91 out of all of the cars in this segment. I think it looks the best, best manual aside from the dark horse which is priced a bit higher, and I think it is also technically the best M car on sale despite being badged as a Toyota
M2 comp is better has 4 seats an actual trunk originally came with a manual and has a much higher redline
@@AtomicF87 it’s also as big and heavy as a planet. And 10k more than the supra. The previous gen M2 is the move for me
Yeah, Supra is basically last gen M2 but B58 powered instead of S55 and 200 lbs lighter. As a result, the Supra lap times are on same level as the G87 M2 and clearly better than the F87 M2. But you lose some practicality if you want it to be an only car...
Remove the rear seats in the m2 comp switch to a single turbo and cut off one of the radators and you get the same Weight it's way more performance per dollar, especially with dealer markup the m2 comp makes up for its mass in tuning as it's possible to get 550 wheel horsepower on 93 octane with zero turbo lag and a manaul transmission you can also see out of it unlike the supra
@frederickschulze8014 the m2 comp stock is undertired to make it more playful adding cup 2s from the m2 cs makes a massive difference and puts it on par with a cayman gt4 almost for better lap times invest in 295 30 18s and 265 fronts with a wing do a quick tune and you are going to have one hell of a machine it feels like a light car with the right tires. Jason camisa goes in deph on it in this video ruclips.net/video/CuiujPC8cmo/видео.htmlsi=tTTxnM0kE6lmumtH the m2 stock is a worse car than the supra because bmw snipped its balls but when you go into the aftermarket it's the best modern bmw.
3700 lb is way too heavy for a 2 door sports coupe… and yes BMW M2 doesn’t get a pass there either, but at least it has more power (now 473 for 2025) and more importantly proper 6 speed manual.
Is the Alpine A110 (2412 lbs) the answer from Nissan-Renault? Obviously it doesn't have a six cylinder engine and is a physically small car, maybe a touch bigger than a MX-5 or Elise. No manual in the A110 either even though one existed in the Megane RS previously, presumably for cost and emissions reasons.
Nice review! It's a shame it doesn't come in MT.
A 250hp new Silvia S15 240SX is all we needed from Nissan.
Is there a market to sell that as well as the GR86? The GR86 is that already (240hp at the crank now?), same size, same weight -- with the bonus of no turbo (of course there's always the infamous P-plate legal Autech naturally aspirated Silvia with 200hp!).
@@TassieLorenzo Yes there's indeed a market for a light weight rwd coupe with a backseat like the 240sx. The ridiculous inflated prices of old lightweight sportscars and sportcoupes especially jdm shows how desirable such a car would be. My old mr2 turbo is now worth 3 times the pre-covid prices for example. Same for my old e30 325is.
A stripped down Lotus Emira with the regular 300hp non-supercharged 3.5 v6 as a new Toyota MR2 would be sold out! Toyota should do that!!
The gr86 missed the mark by not evolving the 2.0 into a 300hp 3.0 flat 6...imagine that! A real porsche cayman competitor.
@@jonasbaine3538 It sounds great! I think the worry was that bracket creep of making everything stronger (brakes, transmission, axles, wheel bearings, control arms etc) to handle the flat-six would make the 86 turn into something heavier like the Nissan Z or Supra anyway, since OEMs have to keep a much larger durability margin than someone swapping a EZ30 into a 86 themselves. 🤔
Wheels look amazing
I'm pretty sure the tire chirp into 2nd because the box slam shifts into second gear whilst the engine RPM is still high - too high for the wheel speed in that gear. This causes the engine to exerts extra torque on the wheels trying bring the wheels to the speed at that RPM for second gear but ultimately the wheels win because it has the whole car's weight on them so instead it is the engine that slows down to the correct speed. This is a slush box so the speed differential between the engine and the gearbox cause output torque to multiply.
Man the front looks so much better with the front hole not as square.
Some outlets have noted the Nismo didn't come with a manual because the transmission didn't pass durability testing. Nissan should make the investment to beef up the FS6R31 transmission and install that in all manual transmission Z cars to provide a reason for people to pick this over a Mustang Dark Horse or A91 Supra with a manual. My money with the current market would go to the A91 over the Dark Horse or the Nismo.
I heard the same. Unfortunately what that really tells me is that you probably shouldn't tune a regular Z with a manual unless you've budgeted for a transmission rebuild.
R&T talked to nismo NA and stated they have a prototype for a potential manual for the nismo.
Id rather see it come out for a refresh/V2 that’s more relevant to it’s competition, (power, adaptive suspension, ect) but I could see them charging 10k more for the upgrades.
Saw a Z for the first time ever since its release in the wilds of the Bay Area like two months ago.
It really makes wonder what is its sales figure since its launch.
Very nice ...it looks like fun ❤
I'd take the regular, performance pack manual, if I could afford one...
I love my Z, 56.6k sits in the garage all the time lol. It is a blast to drive though.
70k is outrageous.
I’ve seen more Cyber Trucks than Z’s on the road. Actually, I’ve yet to see a new Z period.
Same. I live in the SF Bay Area and see multiple CT’s per day and have seen a few Z’s EVER and they’ve been out far longer. Crazy.
I concur. I've only seen ONE on the streets here in Southern California. I've seen more camouflaged pre-production prototypes out in the wild than a new Z...
You have a better chance of seeing a CLK GTR on the road than one of these lol
Based on your review, the trans definitely is lacking for what this is priced at
Nissan couldn’t get the ZF8 for this?
Would have been nice
Is this Jatco 9-speed box not great? People don't seem to complain about it in Mercedes.
It's a nice car, but for the money, a Dark-Horse or a Supra will easily run with it. I think I'd save some money and grab a Supra or a GT Mustang?
It doesn't have active exhaust. At this price point, M2 or M4.
Presumably it's designed to meet Japanese noise regulations (strict) not US noise regulations (more lax). Of course it would nice to do a US market exhaust. As for the M2 & M4, they will get quieter in Europe every year as WLTP rules continually reduces the noise limit ever year until 2030 to make the transition to electric seamless -- US market cars will be louder if they have no OPF (Otto Particulate Filter) and don't meet WLTP (must be tested in loudest mode since late 2018) noise regs.
U can literallly buy so many badass cars fir 70k.
$70k for this car is ridiculous. It's already ridiculous you have to pay an extra $10k for the LSD on the regular model. These cars are not gonna sell, nobody with this kind of money is looking at a Nissan unless it's a used GTR.
Have not once seen a Nismo let alone any new Z on the road or even at full blown car shows and it's been out for a while. This checks out
The heritage edition is better because it comes with an MT.
Used C7 Z06 or even a GS WAY before this Jatco mess.
70K is flat out absurd.
Even the base ones for 44k is too much. Cmon people it's a Nissan. Guaranteed to break and suffer major depreciation. It should be in BRZ territory and everyone knows it.
It's a shame, the Nismo version is actually awesome and I love it but for that price it makes sense why I never saw any of the new Zs on the road. Nobody is paying that amount for a Nissan. You can just get a Mustang or something for 20k less and have an arguable better car. It's a nice car but that tag is laughable
I prefer a M2 ngl
I'll stick with my Nismo 350z. Manual only, hydraulic steering, double wishbone front suspension, natural aspiration, much higher redline (I can rev to 8k all day), looks better (my opinion), seam welded chassis (not found on the base Z or even the Nismo 370z), and doesn't have digital screens or nannies like radar cruise control, blind spot monitoring, lane keep assist and non piano black anywhere (thank God for not having all of these). I don't need any of these things in a car. Oh and its a limited production car and it can also chirp the tires going 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd gear.
Throttle House did a video of the new Z against a 370 Nismo and it was only half a second faster than the 370z. Best Motoring compared the 350 and 370 and the 370 was only half a second faster than the 350. Not much of an improvement.
Used gt500 over this anyday
First!
Nissan has lost touch with reality.
Why are you not a fan of the crackles and pops?! Should have more if anything
Nobody wants a Nismo that’s not a manual.
10 years ago I would never think of buying a car with AT. I then became proficient in left foot braking and now I wont buy any car with a MT. You can balance the car so much better and smoother, the car is always loaded in some manor as there is no dead zone between throttle and brake.. Its the next level in performance driving..
I'll take a supra. This is trash
as a 370z owner i agree with you
Stop calling Nissan a muscle car it’s not!!! It’s a sports car
Not with limited traction and handling deficit
I dunno, it seems closer to a Mustang-type car than a Lotus Elise or even Lotus Emira type one. Why is the steering ratio so slow?! Surely the only reason is that the car is meant to be more of a cruiser?
@@TassieLorenzo a muscle car has a useless v8 engine with useless back seats, and plus you never drove a Nissan z nismo in your life, talking about they going towards the gt only the the one that is under the nismo, people complain about road noise and feel, so Nissan fixed it, and yet people like you is still complaining about this car, be glad they made a new z, if not why not just make your own car company see if you can do better than the Nissan z.
@@Geor_546 "people complain about road noise and feel" You mean too much of it? Those buyers are wrong, you need to let the engineers call the shots and overrule the focus groups IMO.