No. I'm sorry Usyk broke the shackles when he moved up to HW. The HW division was in a chokehold. People's trilogies, repeats, AJ, and Fury, bored people who truly love boxing. Fury's resume is a joke compared to Usyk's. In fact the vast majority of big names of this last era do not have resume that can compete. Now it is time for a new era to emerge. We who love boxing want to admire the new fighter's coming through. HOWEVER, the kid's like DDD, and yes I am using his name specifically, do need to learn some respect. We don't want boxing to be the WWE, we don't want to watch a play. We want to watch BOXING! We are invested. I hope Usyk retires, and the new blood comes through. AJ and FURY both disgraced themselves after fighting Usyk. That is a fact for those of us who don't edit our eyes and ears! Otherwise, you really are in Orwell's 1984. Time for the younger generation to thrive, and pray it doesn't get stuck in a rut like it did until a couple of years ago!
Him ducking AJ this yr made it worse: Oct 2023: Embarrassed boxing by going the distance with UFC fighter May & Dec 2024: Humbled by Usyk Jan 2025: Ducked AJ and choose to retire
Good points. And before that? Wilder who was the most protected and overrated champion in history, and an old Vlad. Joshua’s resume is way better, and so is Parker’s to be honest.
@ Yes, I loved it when he beat Klitschko and ended Wlads dominance. But his record hasn't even been that great since. And he never even had the rematch with Klitschko. But i did used to like Fury.
The fact that so many people were already calling him the greatest heavyweight of his generation or the greatest heavyweight in history was absolutely outrageous. He’s barely fought anyone! Go through the entire top ten and see for yourself how many contenders Fury’s actually beaten!
@@elusive2.0 We will know the answer by the end of 2025 If Fury fights AJ and loses He will be regarded on a Par with Bruno, Danny Williams etc If he was to beat a proper contender AND AJ Different story Fury has always ran away from challenges His best 5 Wins Klitschko (Aged 39) Wilder Chisora Whyte Wallin I think that answers your question Right now Dubois and AJ have better resumes than Fury
@@ShannonDavis-eq4fj Now that everyone seems to be beating the crap out of Wilder Those Fury wins mean less, and less, and less Fact is Fury only fought one World Class Boxer and that was Klitschko who was almost 40 Never in shape Alcohol and drug addictions Cannot take a shot Been on floor about 8-9 times Flattened by a MMA Novice Can’t punch through wet toilet roll Are we seriously supposed to believe this is the best Heavyweight in Boxing History Would have beaten Holmes, Ali, Prime Foreman, Lennox, Vitali, Bowe The list is endless No Not for me Fury is a Fraud But he just lingered around a tad too long And Found the lure of easy Saudi money to irresistible He has been exposed And has no right whatsoever to have his name mentioned alongside the True Greats of the Game
@ That was a great win, but avoiding the rematch took some of the shine off. Klitschko also ruled over a weak era and was KO’d by AJ which reduces the achievement a little.
He will be remembered as the man who was beaten twice by a middleweight (Furys own description for Usyk) and for avoiding any other real threat, Wilder was just a puncher, whyte a level above mediocre...he has no legacy.
@@elusive2.0That's how he should be remembered because it was his best win by far, and everybody was grateful. Granted Vlad was old and Fury was on PEDs.
He fought 2 credible opponents and one of them turned him into a breakdancer in the ninth round, fury a fraud relying on cherry picks in his whole career
I never liked Furry but what i did like was his miraculous come back from his mental health issues and his incredible ability to recover from getting knocked down and get back up and finish the fight
Yes it was. He's brought us some great sporting moments. I find the rush by some people to make him out to be a talentless bum is a bit embarrassing for the fandom and it's the exact kind of thing that makes fighters protect their 0 at all costs, meaning big fights are harder to make.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
@elusive2.0 idk. I have my own opinion. I never thought fury was that good since Cunningham fight. He's struggled against less talented fighters and hasn't hardly had any fights let alone against elite talent. We all know Wilder was limited. Division been weak since Lewis left.
I think Dubois could end the Fury- Joshua era officially next month if he demolishes Parker. As neither Joshua or Fury will want to face him , so they might as well both retire - since a Usyk rematch won't happen. Fury, as you say, has not been the same since Wilder 2 really...which leads into Wilder theory that he was on something during those fights. Might be rubbish. Yet, Fury hasn't had the speed of mobility that he had against both Klitscho and Wilder since and his legacy has suffered as a result...
old age and wear and tear catching up with him though, wouldnt you agree? He should have retired after Dylian Whyte fight. He legs have neber been the same since the wilder fights, and wilder has never been the same since then.. People cant write all they want about Wilder never being good... non of them were begging to fight him when he was knocking opponents out for fun. Wilder will never have that confidence again, and that confidence was part of what made him great to watch and instilled fear in his opponents
He’s a showman and smoke and mirrors is part of his act he’s a genius at manipulating the narrative.Currently he hangs in there at number two because of the bias towards him which he has created.Clever bloke and has a stack of money.Not a fan of him personally and if the AJ fight cooks for much longer loosing interest in the older fighters with the exception of Usyk will have to look to the future with Danny D ,Moses and Fabio
@ for sure I think if anything we are witnessing the Turki effect where fights have been happening and the truth is escaping I think everyone is on notice now.Do you think Fury will remain retired
Pretty much was just a handful of fans from the uk and uk media who thought/said he was some kind of all time great. A lot of people had been saying for years guys like Joshua, and definitely Usyk would beat him. Thankfully it’s over this time for real. Even if he comes back again he’s already one of Usyks sons and that’ll never change.
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
I’m still surprised how the failed drug test for the Klitschko fight is forgotten or glossed over. Not sure if it is home team bias (those foreigners are dastardly cheats but our brave boys must have been the victims of a stitch up or a flawed testing process) or just indicative of how few fucks the sport in general gives.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
Little bit from column A, little bit from column B - over rated before, over condemned now. The drug thing has particularly bugged me (let’s not forget, the failed test was for his one win over an undisputed top tier fighter) since the 2nd Wilder fight, which took place the same week Maria Sharapova retired; both Fury and Sharapova failed drugs tests, something mentioned very prominently in reports about her retirement while in the reports of the Fury/Wilder fight it was nowhere to be seen. You would think PED use would be a bigger issue in a sport where the aim is to bludgeon your opponent around the brain hoping to concuss them than one where you pat the ball back over the net to your opponent, but no…. Those devilish cheating foreigners eh ?
You can find half of Fury’s resume in the ‘European pub bouncers yearbook’ but only in the older ones! Lol 😂 Sefer Seferi and the great Nevin Pikic etc
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
To be fair their was people calling out fury like ring iq and boxing beats even after the wilder fights they give the history like when he had a “mental health” issue he was caught partying insinuating that he was faking it to cover up his PED scandal.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
1 / He threw a meagre 371 punches against Klitschko almost all of them jabs at a rate of 1 per 6 seconds. 2 / His other career highlight was beating a bloke whose best win was and remains Bermayne Stiverne. 3 / He sustained a cut that required 47 stitches against a journeyman that in almost any other fight would have resulted in him being stopped. 4 / He was dropped by a man making his pro debut before winning a contentious decision. 5 / He has been floored 8 times in his career 6 / Of the widely regarded top 10 in the world (Usyk , Dubois , AJ , Bakole , Kabayel , Parker , Zhang , Hrgovic , Wardley , Itauma) he has fought precisely 1 , resulting in 2 defeats from 2 fights These are all FACTS , they are not disputable and off the back of these facts anyone arguing he's got ANY kind of legacy must be stupid or have an agenda.
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
@@elusive2.0 I've just exposed the "achievements" ; there aren't any of significance. His biggest one was without doubt the Klitschko win given Klitschko's prior record of 13 years undefeated but he'd won that fight before he got in the ring with his clever psychological games. The actual fight itself was tepid and cautious. He's a HUGELY protected and indulged fighter who doesn't belong in the top 3 of this era never mind in the HOF.
Fury's record is a joke: he beat a geriatric Klitschko in a boring jab and hug fest and a one trick pony who was later schooled by Parker and iced by Zhang. That's it. Furthermore, he lost his first fight against Mcdermont, he should have been disqualified against Cunningham for an illegal ko, he should have lost by medical stopoage against Wallin ( Vitali was stopped for a less serious cut against Lewis). On top of that, he shoul have a point deducted for intentionally elbowing Ngannou who was deprived from a second legitimate kd in the seventh round. So no, it is not a recency bias. Every normal people already knew that Fury's record sucks.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
Legacy? What legacy? Prior to being *battered* by the middleweight rabbit Usyk in their first fight (after having had two training camps!), Luke Partridge's 'legacy' was a grand total of six (!) world title fights, three of which were against one man (who was recently demolished by Zhang), one against an aging Klitchko ('Klinchko'), going into 'retirement' immediately after so as to avoid the rematch, one against the no-hoper Whyte ('Shyte'), one against a punchbag he had already beaten twice (Shitsora), two pullouts against Usyk, and long-term avoidance of AJ, Usyk, and Joyce, among numerous others. He also suffered arguable defeats against McDemott, Walin, and Ngannou, the latter of which was in his very first professional boxing bout! Oh, and let's not forget his failed drugs test ('contaminated boar meat'). Luke Partridge - aka ('Tyson Fury') - is an utter clown. 🤡
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
@ I would say yes if he had already made his mark by beating all the top names. Klitcho was 40, and it wasn’t exactly a schooling or classic fight and wilder had very limited skills. Everyone else fury had faced he had every size advantage but he dodged so many with lame excuses. He didn’t rematch klitcho or make any defences. The Ngannu fight wasn’t conclusive by any means and for a pro fight if Ngannu was given the win it would have been more justified as fury was running and being man handled, not to mention getting away with the clear deliberate elbow. Then AJ put Ngannu away in 2 rounds which sort of put it into perspective why fury dodged him over and over. It’s like fury scammed the crowd and never backed up his own hype. Then he tried every trick and excuse to avoid Usyk and lost with a gift split when it was easily a TKO in R9. Plus Usyk was over trained after fury’s delays.
Take a look at Fury’s record on boxrec and count how many of his opponents were NEVER a world champion. Every one except Wilder, Klitschko and Steve Cunningham. That’s it. The only other world champion he’s ever fought is Usyk who beat him, twice.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
His legacy to me has always been a complicated one . Exceptionally talented fighter and tough as old boots . His best wins the Klitschko terrific performance in terms of hit and not get hit , it’s a shame we never got to see him against a Klitschko willing to let his hands go . The wilder trilogy was a cherry pick gone horribly wrong wrong on wilders part with three very good and very different performances from fury in those fights , but apart from those two his resume is pretty thin . Should have fought whyte years before he did , and people forget after that first wilder fight they offered fury the AJ fight 60/40 and he turned it down . For all his undeniable ability the best wins on his record were a Klitschko that was one fight away from retirement , a great puncher whom had been one of the most protected champions ever Dillion whyte and Derrick chisora this from a guy that was calling himself the greatest of all time 8 world title fights 5 of witch are between two opponents, even if he had beaten Uysk for me he still would’ve had to have beaten Joshua and one of the younger guys to be called the best of his era . I certainly wasn’t calling him that after the Dillon whyte fight when he retired
@@elusive2.0 True but he was also coming off getting knocked out by an over the povetkin (though he did win the rematch) but it was a very credible win and whyte has been pretty much in the wilderness ever since .
For me no, and it’s this type of rhetoric that disincentivises big names fighters from taking risks. If your entire legacy can be wiped out after losing a few fights, why would big cash cows bother taking the risk? What has damaged Fury’s legacy is the deception, cherry picking opponents, and always needing to have every fight on his own terms.
@elusive2.0 No. Floyd Mayweather ruined the sport by basing his entire marketability around the “0” which modern day boxing fans haven’t really been able to shake ever since. I don’t get the impression that 80s and 90s fans were as concerned about remaining undefeated, neither were the fighters themselves
Wilder has obvious limitations in his skillset; any boxing expert can see the holes in his game, and Klitschko was over the hill when Fury beat him. These are Fury's best wins. With all due respect to Usyk, it's no secret that this current generation of heavyweights has been average at best. Tyson Fury will likely go down as the 2nd best heavyweight of this era, but I wouldn't say he's close to being considered an all-time great.
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
@@elusive2.0 To be honest, I never thought much of Wilder's skillset in the ring. He had the power and the heart to get in there and fight, but his footwork was atrocious, and he didn't have the best defense. So you match his trilogy vs Wilder along with his victory over an over-the-hill Klitschko as his best wins, and you realize that his resume is thin. That being said, he'll likely be remembered as the 2nd best heavyweight boxer of his era...and it's hard to say that's even deserved since, so far, he hasn't defeated any of the top guys of his era besides Wilder.
THIS is the deal - Fury's freakish height made promoters correctly believe that he was a cash-cow potential. This was right from the word go. He was gifted the decision v John McDermott. He SHOULD have been stopped TKO on cuts v Otto Wallin. Francis Ngannou scored TWO knockdowns v Fury but only ONE was counted by the ref. Ngannou was robbed of the W & Fury AGAIN was gifted it. Fury was gifted a L O N G count v Wilder1. Fury has NOT been "un done"; Fury never was.
You have your thumb on the scales here. The mcdermott fight was close, not a robbery. He didn't have a long count vs wilder. It's on the screen ffs. And he beat ngannou on points even if he did get knocked down. There are reasons to criticise fury. No need to make stuff up.
@@LMcAwesome It's funny, though, isn't it, that whenever fights were "close" the scales ALWAYS tipped in Fury's favour. The SECOND Ngannou knockdown would have given an L to Fury.
@@elusive2.0 That was ANOTHER one - Fury was rescued by the ref from a 9th rd stoppage loss v Usyk. The favouritism for Fury is blatant. Old "Fish Eyes" certainly wields a lot of power in the world of professional boxing & it stinks.
@@elusive2.0 If Fury had been rightfully stopped v Wallin then that would have derailed the Wilder fights & Old Fish Eyes would have had to wave goodbye to £$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$. THAT is why Fury was not stopped.
Now your talking about Andy Ruiz 🙄 Again fans opinions 🙄🙄 Both Fury and Wilder were well aware how dangerous Ruiz was , hence they never boxed him !! Joshua took Ruiz as a replacement for the boxer he had trained for , a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT type fighter to Ruiz in being far slower and taller so Joshua's sparring partners in preparation would be nothing like Ruiz ! But no fan is going to give that a second thought lmao 🤣 Now just for the icing on the cake , ask yourself this , what would Fury have done if he was forced to fight Miller and FORCED he would have to be ! And then He gets told Miller is being replaced with Ruiz 😆😆😆😆 I'll tell you what would happen, you would have no fight because Fury would immediately use that to pull out !!
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
talking much about a 'can of worms' in that he didnt re-match Klitschko, and that phrase is very apt, because thats what depression is like when people experience it for the first time. If you're going to suffer depression, its onsett is typically very late teens to 20's, and for the first time, people will hang in there for a long time until they breakdown with it, especially if they have a goal, like passing university or even becoming HW champion of the world.... only then do they breakdown, before theyve landed that dream job, or enjoyed being world champion. That win of Klitschko was a walk in the park... wasnt even a close fight. Losing to Usyk was closer. I dont doubt Fury would have rematched Klitschko, if it wasnt for the breakdown.
depression isn't why he didn't rematch klitschko....it may be A reason he didn't fight but THE reason he didn't fight is he was on a drug ban. NEVER MISTAKE THAT......he was a drug cheat and was serving his ban, THAT'S why he didn't rematch Wlad
@@ForwardFeedback I'm happy to concede that if its bonafide factual and official.... its just that its never been addressed as such, unlike say Connor Ben, or Dylian Whyte, or Big Baby Miller?
@ it's a fact, look it up; he was handed a UKAD ban following the Wlad fight for having popped dirty fpr the Christian Hammer fight...if he was juicing for Hammer odds are he was juicing vs Wlad as well and just never got caught for that one. In any cause he was handed a ban that lifted in December 2017.....AKA right around the time his "depression" went away and he announced his comeback. It's never been addressed because of the lie that it was about his mental health, media lapped it up because the comeback from depression was a Hollywood script....dude lied to the public and noone in media has the stones to challenge him on it
@@ForwardFeedback If he popped dirty for the Hammer fight (im not saying he didnt), how did that not arise as a case that would have prevented him fighting klitschko?
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
I would have to say I was probably a Joshua supporter but as I'm a boxing coach I don't look at boxers in the same fashion as fans. You come across as a Fury fan that has had his eyes opened "finally " , I was saying all this years ago about Fury and Wilder but none of you had the depth of thought to see it !! How many of you actually looked at who Wilder was knocking out ?? They were nobody's ! All you fellas ever do is make excuses for your silly heros , Furys frauding started waaay back when he ducked David Price ! I called him out way back then and watched his shenanigans for years , The Klitschko fight was ALWAYS about the rematch!! For Klitschko ! Fury got onto this and even said to Klitschko "I THINK YOU LET ME WIN " but none of you took that in ! Then in the face to face interview before their rematch Fury told Klitschko " I know what your plan is but I can mess it up , all I have to do is not turn up !! " this interview on RUclips is now edited but the gist of what he said can still be seen 😉 Klitschko was retiring after the rematch that would have made him 3 times world heavyweight champion the same as his brother and THAT IS WHY their first fight was crap , Klitschko was SPARRING !! but unless you REALLY know boxing you would only see Fury looking good but I have taken hundreds of Sparring sessions and I could see CLEARLY Klitschko holding back !!
Fury never fought Povetkin, Parker , Ruiz or Dubois but AJ has. Only opponent Fury can crutch on to too say AJ ain't fight. Is Wilder & Wilder admitted on Twitter he turned down AJ fight. Fury is Overrated. Fury did his best to AVOID Usyk . Once he fought Usyk his first prime opponent who wasn't " limited " he loss back to back. Fury only fights styles of opponents that fit his style. Fury wants plodders who he can beat on pts, or Fury wants opponents he can " over power" but he couldn't overpower Ngannou. Fury won't over power AJ, Dubois, Bakole or Zhang
@elusive2.0 Fury was no more past his prime than AJ was. AJ been knocked out by Dubois & stopped by Ruiz. So what we can say is Fury has always seen the " final bell" so Fury should be just as good off or better then AJ & Wilder due to never been stopped or ko'ed
Beat Klitschko (so did AJ) Beat Wilder (so did Parker and Zhang more easily) Beat Wallin (so did AJ more easily) Beat Chisora (so did Usyk, Parker and Whyte) Just beat Ngannou (so did AJ, way more easily) Lost to Usyk (good effort tbf) Didn't fight AJ, Parker, Zhang, Dubois, Bakole, Kabayel, Joyce, Hrgovic, Ruiz, Hunter, Ortiz, Sanchez, Miller etc. It's not looking great tbh, I think he wasted his prime enjoying money and avoiding tough challenges. Shame.
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
@elusive2.0 I think there are too many variables at play to ever say for sure. How styles match up, inactivity, lifestyle and age playing a part. I certainly think Fury was a great fighter, I don't think anything has proven otherwise. I just think he wasted his prime not taking the opportunity to face more top-level guys.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
@@elusive2.0 I’m sorry but if someone found you out for something you’ve claimed to be but you’re not, such is not bias - it’s just simply what it is: being found out! No one denies that Fury is a formidable fighter in the heavyweight division but his resume has never matched what he blatantly claims. Dare I say, Fury’s delusion has been his major downfall - it bred pride, arrogance and utter disrespect for the sport so if his legacy is in tatters now it is not because of bias but because reality has a way of catching up with us all.
How about pointing out that Fury shouldn't have even had the shot at Klitschko. He should have been banned for the fight prior to it with Christian Hammer in which he drug cheated. How do you cheat using drugs to beat someone, and then have it go on your record as a win for the drug cheating Fury? Fury was nothing but a conman. A drug-cheating fraudulent conman. And anyone who rated Fury's wins over Wilder, even when it happened, haven't got a clue about boxing.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
@ Fury fan girls sop up port him no matter what but, a lot of people gave him the benefit of the doubt after ducking the rematch with Klitschko and applauded him for that second fight against Wilder because he said what he was going to do and did it. He then started with the rhetoric about fighting and destroying everyone in the division including Joshua but ducked them all. Tried to duck Usyk too but got forced into it by Turki, Eddie and Frank. Possessed all the tools and the skills but didn’t have “the minerals”. Massive disappointment.
Again I apologise, I am being over zealous, Yes sadly it was what the public thought lol Why I have no idea ??? You only have to examine who they both fought ? Wilder and Fury i mean , I don't really give a hoot for any of em but if I had to pick one out of those three it would be Joshua by a country mile , he's boxed everybody and anybody, sure he's been beaten but that is what happens when your boxing everybody!! Not so much when your boxing men you've already beaten over and over ffs Fury even wanted Wilder 4 😳😳 And most of the "public " would have jumped at it 😔😔 I wanted him exposed like Wilder and I knew Usyk would do it , I'm not a hater I just wanted him out in the open with real fighters same as Joshua , not him picking and choosing, more rematches , oh dear no 😔😔😔
😂😂A MIRACULOUS RETURN OF WILDER 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Wilder CHERRY 🍒 PICKED Fury but made a big mistake lmao 🤣 Wilder WILL NEVER COME BACK because he was never that good ! He would have to box up coming boxers , hungry men , Wilder is a fake !! Look at his fight vs Zhang, they all say the last thing a big hitter loses is his power punch 😂 Wilder landed plenty right hands on Zhang but had ZERO affect!! He also landed a decent right hand on Charlie Zelanoff lol The little fella was just sitting there STILL AWAKE ! so this big power only shows itself when it feels like it 🤔🤔 😂😂 Give it a rest lads
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
Devil's advocate ?? I apologise if iv made you feel like your being attacked ?? This is not personal but I was waiting a very long time for certain things to play out ! For everything I'd said to be seen clearly, Fury and Wilder had to stop fighting each other and other nobody's, I knew there would come a time these two would HAVE TO box legitimate ranked HUNGRY boxers , Joshua played a fantastic part by chasing boxers Fury had struggled with , Wallin and The Novice Ngannou, I knew once Fury boxed a true top lad he would lose and he did twice , the only time Fury boxed ANYBODY DANGEROUS he was forced to by challenging for a title or by the governing body insisting on it . Wilder HAD TO come out of the shadows , he no longer had the belt to hide behind and as soon as he dipped his toe in with the REAL boys he was immediately found out ! Sure he has power but only to knock out nobody's!! And to see little Zellenoff take that right hand and still sitting there wide awake??? But to answer your question ? no I think Fury is simply being EXPOSED ! And about time too ! He was ruining the heavyweight division, holding the belt to ransom, constant gaslighting 😔 i was so sick of it , he got to the point he didn't even give a sh1t what the fans thought , openly stating " im not interested in boxing ranked boxers and insisting on boxing the Novice Ngannou, then almost getting found out !! 😂😂 What he did to Klitschko was utterly disgraceful, that was a two fight deal , not a one fight and I'm off
Fury beat Wilder first time around, it was a robbery in broad daylight, When it was announced a draw. He also beat Wlad, Whyte, Wallin etc. That’s one of the best resumes in the heavyweight division currently.
Whyte was washed for time before he fought Fury. Wallins' best fight of his career was against Fury...did nothing before or since. Resumes are about timing as well as names
His win over Klitchenko was a snoozefest and the only win he rested on was Wilder, who has been exposed as a joke. I believe AJ would demolish him, that's why he's done the ultimate duck by retiring, it would be a demolition and he wouldn't be able to come up with excuses like after the Ngannou fight, he went silent and for the first time started cooperating with the discussions for the Usyk fight to deflect from him the humiliation. He really wouldn't be able to cope if AJ knocked him out and dominated him, which he knows is exactly how the fight would go
Nobody was fooled by Luke's resume except for people who personally identify with him or are paid to boost him
100% You need to fight the best and you also need to do it quickly to build a proper resume. He ducked Usyk for 2 years...
He broke the shackles of the heavyweight division after a decade long hegemony, to play devils advocate. Does that get overlooked due to recency bias?
No. I'm sorry Usyk broke the shackles when he moved up to HW. The HW division was in a chokehold. People's trilogies, repeats, AJ, and Fury, bored people who truly love boxing. Fury's resume is a joke compared to Usyk's. In fact the vast majority of big names of this last era do not have resume that can compete.
Now it is time for a new era to emerge. We who love boxing want to admire the new fighter's coming through. HOWEVER, the kid's like DDD, and yes I am using his name specifically, do need to learn some respect.
We don't want boxing to be the WWE, we don't want to watch a play. We want to watch BOXING! We are invested. I hope Usyk retires, and the new blood comes through. AJ and FURY both disgraced themselves after fighting Usyk. That is a fact for those of us who don't edit our eyes and ears! Otherwise, you really are in Orwell's 1984.
Time for the younger generation to thrive, and pray it doesn't get stuck in a rut like it did until a couple of years ago!
@@pennyroyalt2542 Well said. Fury was/is a fraud plain and simple. Usyk is and always was from the moment he went up to HW , the best of the era.
Him ducking AJ this yr made it worse:
Oct 2023: Embarrassed boxing by going the distance with UFC fighter
May & Dec 2024: Humbled by Usyk
Jan 2025: Ducked AJ and choose to retire
He broke the shackles of the heavyweight division after a decade long hegemony, to play devils advocate. Does that get overlooked due to recency bias?
He’s last 4 are just as embarrassing:
Chisora 3rd time - pathetic waste of time
Ngannou - arguably lost
Usyk - loss
Usyk rematch - loss
Good points.
And before that? Wilder who was the most protected and overrated champion in history, and an old Vlad.
Joshua’s resume is way better, and so is Parker’s to be honest.
He also could have lost to John McDermott and Otto Wallin. Was lucky there
He broke the shackles of the heavyweight division after a decade long hegemony, to play devils advocate. Does that get overlooked due to recency bias?
@ Yes, I loved it when he beat Klitschko and ended Wlads dominance. But his record hasn't even been that great since. And he never even had the rematch with Klitschko. But i did used to like Fury.
You forgot Shillian Shyte!
The fact that so many people were already calling him the greatest heavyweight of his generation or the greatest heavyweight in history was absolutely outrageous. He’s barely fought anyone! Go through the entire top ten and see for yourself how many contenders Fury’s actually beaten!
Do you consider him in the top 2 of this era?
@@elusive2.0
We will know the answer by the end of 2025
If Fury fights AJ and loses
He will be regarded on a Par with Bruno, Danny Williams etc
If he was to beat a proper contender AND AJ
Different story
Fury has always ran away from challenges
His best 5 Wins
Klitschko (Aged 39)
Wilder
Chisora
Whyte
Wallin
I think that answers your question
Right now
Dubois and AJ have better resumes than Fury
@@boxingmonkey8621 And Wilder isn't very good, just a puncher who never really beat anybody either.
@@boxingmonkey8621 fury never fought big bang or triple d
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Now that everyone seems to be beating the crap out of Wilder
Those Fury wins mean less, and less, and less
Fact is Fury only fought one World Class Boxer
and that was Klitschko who was almost 40
Never in shape
Alcohol and drug addictions
Cannot take a shot
Been on floor about 8-9 times
Flattened by a MMA Novice
Can’t punch through wet toilet roll
Are we seriously supposed to believe this is the best Heavyweight in Boxing History
Would have beaten Holmes, Ali, Prime Foreman, Lennox, Vitali, Bowe
The list is endless
No
Not for me
Fury is a Fraud
But he just lingered around a tad too long
And Found the lure of easy Saudi money to irresistible
He has been exposed
And has no right whatsoever
to have his name mentioned alongside the True Greats of the Game
Dubois will end up having a better record than Fury at this rate
@badgasaurus4211 Yep, if he beats Parker then he ll be ahead of Fury in terms of resume
Tbh he already has
He already has.
What about Itauma?
@@elusive2.0 great prospect fought bums lets wait until hes in there with a contender.
Fury was overestimated for a very long time. He was always careful with his opponent selection from early on - avoiding Price and AJ.
He broke the shackles of the heavyweight division after a decade long hegemony, to play devils advocate. Does that get overlooked due to recency bias?
@ That was a great win, but avoiding the rematch took some of the shine off. Klitschko also ruled over a weak era and was KO’d by AJ which reduces the achievement a little.
He will be remembered as the man who was beaten twice by a middleweight (Furys own description for Usyk) and for avoiding any other real threat, Wilder was just a puncher, whyte a level above mediocre...he has no legacy.
He broke the shackles of the heavyweight division after a decade long hegemony to play devils advocate
@@elusive2.0That's how he should be remembered because it was his best win by far, and everybody was grateful. Granted Vlad was old and Fury was on PEDs.
@@joeschmoe6908u just think u no everything don't ya??
He fought 2 credible opponents and one of them turned him into a breakdancer in the ninth round, fury a fraud relying on cherry picks in his whole career
He broke the shackles of the heavyweight division after a decade long hegemony to play devils advocate, does that get overlooked due to recency bias?
@@elusive2.0 he won the belt and ran off drinking and eating. He wasn't snorting coke
I never liked Furry but what i did like was his miraculous come back from his mental health issues and his incredible ability to recover from getting knocked down and get back up and finish the fight
Yes it was. He's brought us some great sporting moments. I find the rush by some people to make him out to be a talentless bum is a bit embarrassing for the fandom and it's the exact kind of thing that makes fighters protect their 0 at all costs, meaning big fights are harder to make.
the 12th round rise vs wilder was a big part of his legacy
He shouldn’t have had that three years inactivity. Guess he was no Ali though.
It didn’t do him favours
@@tinrib656 you tell me how a man snorts cocaine and gains 100 pounds?? He is a phoney
Washed Up In Morecambe 😂😂
He broke the shackles of the heavyweight division after a decade long hegemony to play devils advocate
The heavyweight division has been weak ass hell for decades
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
@elusive2.0 idk. I have my own opinion. I never thought fury was that good since Cunningham fight. He's struggled against less talented fighters and hasn't hardly had any fights let alone against elite talent. We all know Wilder was limited. Division been weak since Lewis left.
His legacy is a sht tone of money he earned and his win against Wlad - incredibly boring fight against a legendary veteran, but still a W is a W
Do you feel he’ll care little about people’s opinions now following that degree of financial compensation?
@@elusive2.0 I do think so, he is one of the richest sportsman who ever lived
@@KukharyshynOleh Well you know what they say... money always falls into the hands of the wrong people.
I think Dubois could end the Fury- Joshua era officially next month if he demolishes Parker. As neither Joshua or Fury will want to face him , so they might as well both retire - since a Usyk rematch won't happen. Fury, as you say, has not been the same since Wilder 2 really...which leads into Wilder theory that he was on something during those fights. Might be rubbish. Yet, Fury hasn't had the speed of mobility that he had against both Klitscho and Wilder since and his legacy has suffered as a result...
old age and wear and tear catching up with him though, wouldnt you agree? He should have retired after Dylian Whyte fight. He legs have neber been the same since the wilder fights, and wilder has never been the same since then.. People cant write all they want about Wilder never being good... non of them were begging to fight him when he was knocking opponents out for fun. Wilder will never have that confidence again, and that confidence was part of what made him great to watch and instilled fear in his opponents
Will Dubois beat Moses Itauma when they meet though?
@elusive2.0 Depends when they meet..I think Moses is not ready atm for the strength of Dubois , but maybe next year..?
I used to Like Fury but the last 2 or 3 years, I've got sick of his antics. I won't miss him when he retires.
Financially he’s been compensated very well
He’s a showman and smoke and mirrors is part of his act he’s a genius at manipulating the narrative.Currently he hangs in there at number two because of the bias towards him which he has created.Clever bloke and has a stack of money.Not a fan of him personally and if the AJ fight cooks for much longer loosing interest in the older fighters with the exception of Usyk will have to look to the future with Danny D ,Moses and Fabio
Absolute crap. Far from a genius, more of a clown.
He was public enemy number 1 when he had all the belts around his waist in 2015, to play devils advocate. It wasn’t always like thjs
@ for sure I think if anything we are witnessing the Turki effect where fights have been happening and the truth is escaping I think everyone is on notice now.Do you think Fury will remain retired
Pretty much was just a handful of fans from the uk and uk media who thought/said he was some kind of all time great. A lot of people had been saying for years guys like Joshua, and definitely Usyk would beat him. Thankfully it’s over this time for real. Even if he comes back again he’s already one of Usyks sons and that’ll never change.
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
I’m still surprised how the failed drug test for the Klitschko fight is forgotten or glossed over.
Not sure if it is home team bias (those foreigners are dastardly cheats but our brave boys must have been the victims of a stitch up or a flawed testing process) or just indicative of how few fucks the sport in general gives.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
Little bit from column A, little bit from column B - over rated before, over condemned now.
The drug thing has particularly bugged me (let’s not forget, the failed test was for his one win over an undisputed top tier fighter) since the 2nd Wilder fight, which took place the same week Maria Sharapova retired; both Fury and Sharapova failed drugs tests, something mentioned very prominently in reports about her retirement while in the reports of the Fury/Wilder fight it was nowhere to be seen.
You would think PED use would be a bigger issue in a sport where the aim is to bludgeon your opponent around the brain hoping to concuss them than one where you pat the ball back over the net to your opponent, but no….
Those devilish cheating foreigners eh ?
@@troubledjoe6201 foreigners??? It's boxing everywhere. It's like wwe. It's fake. How else can fury and canelo not fight the best? Rigged
You can find half of Fury’s resume in the ‘European pub bouncers yearbook’ but only in the older ones! Lol 😂 Sefer Seferi and the great Nevin Pikic etc
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
To be fair their was people calling out fury like ring iq and boxing beats even after the wilder fights they give the history like when he had a “mental health” issue he was caught partying insinuating that he was faking it to cover up his PED scandal.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
1 / He threw a meagre 371 punches against Klitschko almost all of them jabs at a rate of 1 per 6 seconds.
2 / His other career highlight was beating a bloke whose best win was and remains Bermayne Stiverne.
3 / He sustained a cut that required 47 stitches against a journeyman that in almost any other fight would have resulted in him being stopped.
4 / He was dropped by a man making his pro debut before winning a contentious decision.
5 / He has been floored 8 times in his career
6 / Of the widely regarded top 10 in the world (Usyk , Dubois , AJ , Bakole , Kabayel , Parker , Zhang , Hrgovic , Wardley , Itauma) he has fought precisely 1 , resulting in 2 defeats from 2 fights
These are all FACTS , they are not disputable and off the back of these facts anyone arguing he's got ANY kind of legacy must be stupid or have an agenda.
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
@@elusive2.0 I've just exposed the "achievements" ; there aren't any of significance. His biggest one was without doubt the Klitschko win given Klitschko's prior record of 13 years undefeated but he'd won that fight before he got in the ring with his clever psychological games. The actual fight itself was tepid and cautious. He's a HUGELY protected and indulged fighter who doesn't belong in the top 3 of this era never mind in the HOF.
Nothing wrong with being #2
Is he significantly ahead of AJ?
@elusive2.0 I don't think so but a fight between them would clarify it
@@connorhighland6783What has Fury done to show he is number 2?
Only in little England is he #2. He is not even in top 10. Glad stupidness has been put in its place.
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Legacy?
What Legacy
Unless that’s the name of one of his daughters
He broke the shackles of the heavyweight division after a decade long hegemony to play devils advocate
Fury's record is a joke: he beat a geriatric Klitschko in a boring jab and hug fest and a one trick pony who was later schooled by Parker and iced by Zhang. That's it. Furthermore, he lost his first fight against Mcdermont, he should have been disqualified against Cunningham for an illegal ko, he should have lost by medical stopoage against Wallin ( Vitali was stopped for a less serious cut against Lewis). On top of that, he shoul have a point deducted for intentionally elbowing Ngannou who was deprived from a second legitimate kd in the seventh round. So no, it is not a recency bias. Every normal people already knew that Fury's record sucks.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
Legacy? What legacy? Prior to being *battered* by the middleweight rabbit Usyk in their first fight (after having had two training camps!), Luke Partridge's 'legacy' was a grand total of six (!) world title fights, three of which were against one man (who was recently demolished by Zhang), one against an aging Klitchko ('Klinchko'), going into 'retirement' immediately after so as to avoid the rematch, one against the no-hoper Whyte ('Shyte'), one against a punchbag he had already beaten twice (Shitsora), two pullouts against Usyk, and long-term avoidance of AJ, Usyk, and Joyce, among numerous others. He also suffered arguable defeats against McDemott, Walin, and Ngannou, the latter of which was in his very first professional boxing bout! Oh, and let's not forget his failed drugs test ('contaminated boar meat').
Luke Partridge - aka ('Tyson Fury') - is an utter clown. 🤡
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
Only the Saudi dollar was enough for fury to let his guise slip. The great reveal 😂
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
@ I would say yes if he had already made his mark by beating all the top names.
Klitcho was 40, and it wasn’t exactly a schooling or classic fight and wilder had very limited skills.
Everyone else fury had faced he had every size advantage but he dodged so many with lame excuses.
He didn’t rematch klitcho or make any defences.
The Ngannu fight wasn’t conclusive by any means and for a pro fight if Ngannu was given the win it would have been more justified as fury was running and being man handled, not to mention getting away with the clear deliberate elbow.
Then AJ put Ngannu away in 2 rounds which sort of put it into perspective why fury dodged him over and over.
It’s like fury scammed the crowd and never backed up his own hype.
Then he tried every trick and excuse to avoid Usyk and lost with a gift split when it was easily a TKO in R9. Plus Usyk was over trained after fury’s delays.
Take a look at Fury’s record on boxrec and count how many of his opponents were NEVER a world champion. Every one except Wilder, Klitschko and Steve Cunningham.
That’s it. The only other world champion he’s ever fought is Usyk who beat him, twice.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
His legacy to me has always been a complicated one . Exceptionally talented fighter and tough as old boots . His best wins the Klitschko terrific performance in terms of hit and not get hit , it’s a shame we never got to see him against a Klitschko willing to let his hands go . The wilder trilogy was a cherry pick gone horribly wrong wrong on wilders part with three very good and very different performances from fury in those fights , but apart from those two his resume is pretty thin . Should have fought whyte years before he did , and people forget after that first wilder fight they offered fury the AJ fight 60/40 and he turned it down .
For all his undeniable ability the best wins on his record were a Klitschko that was one fight away from retirement , a great puncher whom had been one of the most protected champions ever Dillion whyte and Derrick chisora this from a guy that was calling himself the greatest of all time 8 world title fights 5 of witch are between two opponents, even if he had beaten Uysk for me he still would’ve had to have beaten Joshua and one of the younger guys to be called the best of his era .
I certainly wasn’t calling him that after the Dillon whyte fight when he retired
Dillian Whyte was regarded a top 6 heavyweight when he fought Fury, to play devils advocate?
@@elusive2.0 True but he was also coming off getting knocked out by an over the povetkin (though he did win the rematch) but it was a very credible win and whyte has been pretty much in the wilderness ever since .
For me no, and it’s this type of rhetoric that disincentivises big names fighters from taking risks. If your entire legacy can be wiped out after losing a few fights, why would big cash cows bother taking the risk? What has damaged Fury’s legacy is the deception, cherry picking opponents, and always needing to have every fight on his own terms.
Do you feel that’s modern day boxing fan fickleness?
@elusive2.0 No. Floyd Mayweather ruined the sport by basing his entire marketability around the “0” which modern day boxing fans haven’t really been able to shake ever since. I don’t get the impression that 80s and 90s fans were as concerned about remaining undefeated, neither were the fighters themselves
Wilder has obvious limitations in his skillset; any boxing expert can see the holes in his game, and Klitschko was over the hill when Fury beat him. These are Fury's best wins. With all due respect to Usyk, it's no secret that this current generation of heavyweights has been average at best. Tyson Fury will likely go down as the 2nd best heavyweight of this era, but I wouldn't say he's close to being considered an all-time great.
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
@@elusive2.0 To be honest, I never thought much of Wilder's skillset in the ring. He had the power and the heart to get in there and fight, but his footwork was atrocious, and he didn't have the best defense. So you match his trilogy vs Wilder along with his victory over an over-the-hill Klitschko as his best wins, and you realize that his resume is thin. That being said, he'll likely be remembered as the 2nd best heavyweight boxer of his era...and it's hard to say that's even deserved since, so far, he hasn't defeated any of the top guys of his era besides Wilder.
What legacy?
He broke the shackles of the heavyweight division after a decade long hegemony to play devils advocate
Made 350 million $ in return
Financially he’s been compensated very well
THIS is the deal -
Fury's freakish height made promoters correctly believe that he was a cash-cow potential. This was right from the word go. He was gifted the decision v John McDermott. He SHOULD have been stopped TKO on cuts v Otto Wallin. Francis Ngannou scored TWO knockdowns v Fury but only ONE was counted by the ref. Ngannou was robbed of the W & Fury AGAIN was gifted it. Fury was gifted a L O N G count v Wilder1. Fury has NOT been "un done"; Fury never was.
You have your thumb on the scales here. The mcdermott fight was close, not a robbery. He didn't have a long count vs wilder. It's on the screen ffs. And he beat ngannou on points even if he did get knocked down. There are reasons to criticise fury. No need to make stuff up.
If the McDermott loss had been official & Wallin cut stoppage too… would he have fought Usyk?
@@LMcAwesome It's funny, though, isn't it, that whenever fights were "close" the scales ALWAYS tipped in Fury's favour.
The SECOND Ngannou knockdown would have given an L to Fury.
@@elusive2.0 That was ANOTHER one - Fury was rescued by the ref from a 9th rd stoppage loss v Usyk. The favouritism for Fury is blatant. Old "Fish Eyes" certainly wields a lot of power in the world of professional boxing & it stinks.
@@elusive2.0 If Fury had been rightfully stopped v Wallin then that would have derailed the Wilder fights & Old Fish Eyes would have had to wave goodbye to £$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$. THAT is why Fury was not stopped.
Now your talking about Andy Ruiz 🙄
Again fans opinions 🙄🙄
Both Fury and Wilder were well aware how dangerous Ruiz was , hence they never boxed him !!
Joshua took Ruiz as a replacement for the boxer he had trained for , a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT type fighter to Ruiz in being far slower and taller so Joshua's sparring partners in preparation would be nothing like Ruiz !
But no fan is going to give that a second thought lmao 🤣
Now just for the icing on the cake , ask yourself this , what would Fury have done if he was forced to fight Miller and FORCED he would have to be !
And then He gets told Miller is being replaced with Ruiz 😆😆😆😆
I'll tell you what would happen, you would have no fight because Fury would immediately use that to pull out !!
Look at your language. Then look at mine. One emotionally unattached. The other a fan.
Fury should be called the DUC-KING not the Gypsy king!! Lol
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
I already have Parker over furry and soon dubboi and Zhang if they keep winning
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
talking much about a 'can of worms' in that he didnt re-match Klitschko, and that phrase is very apt, because thats what depression is like when people experience it for the first time. If you're going to suffer depression, its onsett is typically very late teens to 20's, and for the first time, people will hang in there for a long time until they breakdown with it, especially if they have a goal, like passing university or even becoming HW champion of the world.... only then do they breakdown, before theyve landed that dream job, or enjoyed being world champion. That win of Klitschko was a walk in the park... wasnt even a close fight. Losing to Usyk was closer. I dont doubt Fury would have rematched Klitschko, if it wasnt for the breakdown.
depression isn't why he didn't rematch klitschko....it may be A reason he didn't fight but THE reason he didn't fight is he was on a drug ban. NEVER MISTAKE THAT......he was a drug cheat and was serving his ban, THAT'S why he didn't rematch Wlad
@@ForwardFeedback I'm happy to concede that if its bonafide factual and official.... its just that its never been addressed as such, unlike say Connor Ben, or Dylian Whyte, or Big Baby Miller?
Do you feel Tyson’s behaviour has made the backlash more justifiably intense, as of late - to play devils advocate?
@ it's a fact, look it up; he was handed a UKAD ban following the Wlad fight for having popped dirty fpr the Christian Hammer fight...if he was juicing for Hammer odds are he was juicing vs Wlad as well and just never got caught for that one. In any cause he was handed a ban that lifted in December 2017.....AKA right around the time his "depression" went away and he announced his comeback.
It's never been addressed because of the lie that it was about his mental health, media lapped it up because the comeback from depression was a Hollywood script....dude lied to the public and noone in media has the stones to challenge him on it
@@ForwardFeedback If he popped dirty for the Hammer fight (im not saying he didnt), how did that not arise as a case that would have prevented him fighting klitschko?
The wilder wins have aged like milk. His wins over chisora and a washed whyte have more worth.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
Not really, its more exposed his shitty legacy...
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
@elusive2.0 lol.. the public are morons. The public once thought the world was flat, didn't make it so.
I would have to say I was probably a Joshua supporter but as I'm a boxing coach I don't look at boxers in the same fashion as fans.
You come across as a Fury fan that has had his eyes opened "finally " , I was saying all this years ago about Fury and Wilder but none of you had the depth of thought to see it !!
How many of you actually looked at who Wilder was knocking out ?? They were nobody's !
All you fellas ever do is make excuses for your silly heros ,
Furys frauding started waaay back when he ducked David Price !
I called him out way back then and watched his shenanigans for years ,
The Klitschko fight was ALWAYS about the rematch!! For Klitschko ! Fury got onto this and even said to Klitschko "I THINK YOU LET ME WIN " but none of you took that in !
Then in the face to face interview before their rematch Fury told Klitschko " I know what your plan is but I can mess it up , all I have to do is not turn up !! " this interview on RUclips is now edited but the gist of what he said can still be seen 😉
Klitschko was retiring after the rematch that would have made him 3 times world heavyweight champion the same as his brother and THAT IS WHY their first fight was crap , Klitschko was SPARRING !!
but unless you REALLY know boxing you would only see Fury looking good but I have taken hundreds of Sparring sessions and I could see CLEARLY Klitschko holding back !!
I succinctly and extensively articulated both sides of the argument, to a hypothesis. How does that qualify me as a “Fury fan”?
I'm not saying you ARE a Fury fan , I'm saying I'm getting the impression you "were" a Fury fan !
But its beside the point anyway ??
Fury never fought Povetkin, Parker , Ruiz or Dubois but AJ has. Only opponent Fury can crutch on to too say AJ ain't fight. Is Wilder & Wilder admitted on Twitter he turned down AJ fight. Fury is Overrated. Fury did his best to AVOID Usyk . Once he fought Usyk his first prime opponent who wasn't " limited " he loss back to back. Fury only fights styles of opponents that fit his style. Fury wants plodders who he can beat on pts, or Fury wants opponents he can " over power" but he couldn't overpower Ngannou. Fury won't over power AJ, Dubois, Bakole or Zhang
To play devils advocate, was Fury past his prime when he fought Usyk?
@elusive2.0 Fury was no more past his prime than AJ was. AJ been knocked out by Dubois & stopped by Ruiz. So what we can say is Fury has always seen the " final bell" so Fury should be just as good off or better then AJ & Wilder due to never been stopped or ko'ed
Beat Klitschko (so did AJ)
Beat Wilder (so did Parker and Zhang more easily)
Beat Wallin (so did AJ more easily)
Beat Chisora (so did Usyk, Parker and Whyte)
Just beat Ngannou (so did AJ, way more easily)
Lost to Usyk (good effort tbf)
Didn't fight AJ, Parker, Zhang, Dubois, Bakole, Kabayel, Joyce, Hrgovic, Ruiz, Hunter, Ortiz, Sanchez, Miller etc.
It's not looking great tbh, I think he wasted his prime enjoying money and avoiding tough challenges. Shame.
To play devils advocate, is there not a significant element of revisionism at play? Fury was lauded by the public after beating these guys, however in the last 15 months… a decades worth of prior achievements have now been flipped upside down
@elusive2.0 I think there are too many variables at play to ever say for sure. How styles match up, inactivity, lifestyle and age playing a part. I certainly think Fury was a great fighter, I don't think anything has proven otherwise. I just think he wasted his prime not taking the opportunity to face more top-level guys.
Fury got found out - period!
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
@@elusive2.0 I’m sorry but if someone found you out for something you’ve claimed to be but you’re not, such is not bias - it’s just simply what it is: being found out! No one denies that Fury is a formidable fighter in the heavyweight division but his resume has never matched what he blatantly claims. Dare I say, Fury’s delusion has been his major downfall - it bred pride, arrogance and utter disrespect for the sport so if his legacy is in tatters now it is not because of bias but because reality has a way of catching up with us all.
How about pointing out that Fury shouldn't have even had the shot at Klitschko. He should have been banned for the fight prior to it with Christian Hammer in which he drug cheated. How do you cheat using drugs to beat someone, and then have it go on your record as a win for the drug cheating Fury? Fury was nothing but a conman. A drug-cheating fraudulent conman. And anyone who rated Fury's wins over Wilder, even when it happened, haven't got a clue about boxing.
To play devils advocate, is PEDs taking not rife around combat sport? Not exclusive to Fury
@@elusive2.0that's about as relevant as defending pedophiles by saying there's many of them
No, just confirmed it - “The Greatest Cherry Picking Lying Ducker of All Time”.
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
@ Fury fan girls sop up port him no matter what but, a lot of people gave him the benefit of the doubt after ducking the rematch with Klitschko and applauded him for that second fight against Wilder because he said what he was going to do and did it. He then started with the rhetoric about fighting and destroying everyone in the division including Joshua but ducked them all. Tried to duck Usyk too but got forced into it by Turki, Eddie and Frank. Possessed all the tools and the skills but didn’t have “the minerals”. Massive disappointment.
THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF HIS GENERATION 😆😆😆😆 just a minute 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
People like you are the only ones that would think that lmfao 😂😂😂
This was the public consensus, I’m not echoing my own view. That was literally the public consensus… 15 months ago
Again I apologise, I am being over zealous,
Yes sadly it was what the public thought lol
Why I have no idea ???
You only have to examine who they both fought ? Wilder and Fury i mean ,
I don't really give a hoot for any of em but if I had to pick one out of those three it would be Joshua by a country mile , he's boxed everybody and anybody, sure he's been beaten but that is what happens when your boxing everybody!!
Not so much when your boxing men you've already beaten over and over ffs Fury even wanted Wilder 4 😳😳
And most of the "public " would have jumped at it 😔😔
I wanted him exposed like Wilder and I knew Usyk would do it , I'm not a hater I just wanted him out in the open with real fighters same as Joshua , not him picking and choosing, more rematches , oh dear no 😔😔😔
😂😂A MIRACULOUS RETURN OF WILDER 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wilder CHERRY 🍒 PICKED Fury but made a big mistake lmao 🤣
Wilder WILL NEVER COME BACK because he was never that good !
He would have to box up coming boxers , hungry men , Wilder is a fake !!
Look at his fight vs Zhang, they all say the last thing a big hitter loses is his power punch 😂 Wilder landed plenty right hands on Zhang but had ZERO affect!!
He also landed a decent right hand on Charlie Zelanoff lol
The little fella was just sitting there STILL AWAKE !
so this big power only shows itself when it feels like it 🤔🤔 😂😂
Give it a rest lads
To play devils advocate, do you feel there’s an element of recency bias against fury? It could be argued most people considered him the best of this era, just 15 months ago. Now he’s being called a “bum” by many
Devil's advocate ?? I apologise if iv made you feel like your being attacked ??
This is not personal but I was waiting a very long time for certain things to play out !
For everything I'd said to be seen clearly,
Fury and Wilder had to stop fighting each other and other nobody's, I knew there would come a time these two would HAVE TO box legitimate ranked HUNGRY boxers , Joshua played a fantastic part by chasing boxers Fury had struggled with , Wallin and The Novice Ngannou,
I knew once Fury boxed a true top lad he would lose and he did twice , the only time Fury boxed ANYBODY DANGEROUS he was forced to by challenging for a title or by the governing body insisting on it .
Wilder HAD TO come out of the shadows , he no longer had the belt to hide behind and as soon as he dipped his toe in with the REAL boys he was immediately found out !
Sure he has power but only to knock out nobody's!!
And to see little Zellenoff take that right hand and still sitting there wide awake???
But to answer your question ? no I think Fury is simply being EXPOSED ! And about time too !
He was ruining the heavyweight division, holding the belt to ransom, constant gaslighting 😔 i was so sick of it , he got to the point he didn't even give a sh1t what the fans thought , openly stating " im not interested in boxing ranked boxers and insisting on boxing the Novice Ngannou, then almost getting found out !! 😂😂
What he did to Klitschko was utterly disgraceful, that was a two fight deal , not a one fight and I'm off
he beat wilder who aj was too scared to box
1 trick pony who only had 1 win😂😂 yeah ok
Wilder who got beat by Parker who got beat by AJ
Why do Wilder cheer leaders keep lying? Wilder was offered 100 million to fight AJ from eddie hearn’s side and he turned it down
@badgasaurus4211 Exactly it's like these Cheerleaders forget that...I don't know why😂
Grow up clown. It’s even on one of Wilders tweets that he took the Fury rematch rather than fight Joshua.
Clown.
Fury beat Wilder first time around, it was a robbery in broad daylight, When it was announced a draw. He also beat Wlad, Whyte, Wallin etc. That’s one of the best resumes in the heavyweight division currently.
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@hassnatahmad5339 What🤣🤣. USYK, AJ, DDD, Parker all have better resume than Fury
@ Parker beat a Wilder who was a shadow of his former glory 😂. DDD beat AJ and Hirgovic, but that’s about it.
@@hassnatahmad5339wilder never had any glory
Whyte was washed for time before he fought Fury. Wallins' best fight of his career was against Fury...did nothing before or since.
Resumes are about timing as well as names
His win over Klitchenko was a snoozefest and the only win he rested on was Wilder, who has been exposed as a joke. I believe AJ would demolish him, that's why he's done the ultimate duck by retiring, it would be a demolition and he wouldn't be able to come up with excuses like after the Ngannou fight, he went silent and for the first time started cooperating with the discussions for the Usyk fight to deflect from him the humiliation. He really wouldn't be able to cope if AJ knocked him out and dominated him, which he knows is exactly how the fight would go
To play devils advocate, was Fury past his prime when he fought Usyk? Is that being overlooked here?
@ and Usyk, who's 2 years older, shorter and lighter is still in his prime? How does that work?
How did he get fat snorting cocaine????? I don't believe he had a coke problem. He had a eating problem
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