The Gaming Community Is Toxic
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In this video, Gooba takes a look at some examples of toxicity in the gaming community, and discusses why it is no longer fun to discuss video games on the internet.
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I miss the 90s and early 2000s where the Internet and gaming were a lot more chill.
Yeah we had to work around so much shit and rough edges but we still loved the game we played regardless, nowadays people will throw the tantrum if they didnt like the fucking font.
Vote slums!!
Tbf, even the 2000s had cancerous gaming lobbies like CoD
Yeah, that's because the Internet wasn't as big as it is nowadays back then.
Yes, but generally each group is on its own and it is not this radioactive amalgam that the internet/entertainment is today.
One thing that the rise of the internet and social media has shown us is that there are a lot of psychos in the world.
Very true
yep, its sad. :(
Welp, I think that's why according to thescore Esport channel, playing LoL is so lonely
Oh ya so true
Everything you said is well said and thought out. The gaming community these days I feel like it ain't even run by legit gamers, just people who flood it with so much negativity it's annoying.
Also about The Last of Us Part II, couple years ago I didn't like the game, but I revisited again couple weeks ago and I ended up loving it. Can't speak for everyone but I think some people may need to give a game a second look to see if they still have the same opinions as they did.
Thanks for watching! I agree, although there are still good people in the gaming community, I think they get overshadowed sometimes by the people just looking to cause drama.
I’m glad you gave TLOU2 another chance. I think if the people who hated it on their first playthrough would revisit it, and maybe not focus so much on what happens to Joel, they may have a different appreciation for it.
Most of the criticism that I've heard is how the game starts by killing Joel with a golf club and then having the player play as Abby afterwards. I mean, that would make a few people mad.
Which is why i stay away from Twitter and discord and no longer have involvement in any community regardless which one. Because it was filled with people who trying to shoved down their opinion to the throat and calling it a fact but it never was. And i find out it's ironic that people hate the likes of CM Punk for being toxic yet they act just like him
Edit : i came back here after Final Fantasy XVI review bomb
Edit 2 : i came back here again after Marvel's Spider-Man 2, Alan Wake 2 and Prince Of Persia The Lost Crown
I've noticed an increase of negativity in the gaming community as a whole. I understand that social media allows a user total freedom to say anything, although there are limits regarding to racist/homophobic comments and such. But the thing is that there is barely any tolerance when it comes to dicussing a topic, it doesn't get anywhere besides being a fight of who gets more likes or upvotes. Sadly this can be observed outside this virtual platform, some people get agressive when they don't like to hear a different opinion and therefore it escalates into violence. My advise is to enjoy games no matter what, in the end we are all strangers in this virtual world and there are lots of dummies that are just hating on everything.
I agree, toxicity can make its way off social media and into the real world sometimes. I’ll always enjoy video games, but the act of discussing games, whether online or in real life, definitely feels less tolerant of different opinions.
This the gaming comminity continues being a terrible One just look at forspoken and Hogwarts legacy the amount of hate and toxicity is insane it's almost as if people forgot that games are about having fun
@@isidoro19david65 Even fanboys defending garbage games such as dead space remake.
@@TheREALHugo4 WTF are you talking about? Dead Space Remake is universally regarded as a great game. You are part of the problem.
Nah, i'm a part of the solution. ANYTHING FROM THIS REMAKE IS GARBAGE. And i won't repeat it again. Glad i never bought this garbage.@@jimmythegamer2231
Honestly i agree..was playing apex today, late night, got into a match. The guy i was playing with complained cause i played on playstation, instantly says the n word the hard r.
To make it worse, he was mexican, and ofc me being a 14 yr old black kid, i confronted the guy, got called the n word more, got called a slave, a cotton picker, and was told people like me always in the hood,
Nevertheless i hate gaming with randoms, and it sucks how people around my age are like this in the gaming community.
I’ve had my share fair of anger, but what happened today was too far. I wish people could just be a lot more nice.
I’m sorry that happened to you. Gaming is supposed to be a fun activity for everyone, but some people seem like their goal is to ruin that.
GamerGate ruined a generation of gamers.
And it's only gotten worse in my opinion.
Sweet Baby Inc 😢
GamerGate ruined the internet.
Man y’all really hate the concept of ethics in journalism
As a female who plays games, I loved Horizon because of Aloy. She was complex, strong and compassionate without subscribing to the #girlboss trend of being angry but perfect. She also looks like a normal person? A normal FEMALE person?? Unheard of in majority of "big" games and was a huge relief to see
Exactly! That’s why the whole hire fans thing was so funny/dumb to me. Like there is finally a more realistic portrayal of a female protagonist but people still think she needs to be covered in make up to be feminine.
It’s unreal to me how people are trying to say Aloy is “ugly” or “not feminine”. She’s very cute (also very young) and she’s pretty feminine, as well. They just don’t know what women look like without a filter or makeup. The games they praise for having beautiful women (i.e. Resident Evil remakes) have obvious makeup on the models’ faces. They also went for a “poreless” look which is essentially an Instagram filter lol.
@@lilscenechick1995 I haven't played the game. But Aloy looks fine to me. It's either a character looks too masculine or too skinny. If you don't have a character basement dwellers drool over then they're too masculine*, which is kind sad in a pathetic way. (*which some people say about resident evil.) Then the Twitter rage mobs who get mad at a athletic women not being 'body positive' enough. I've seen Men AND women point out how both issues are ridiculous.
I wish we could just go back to inviting friends over to play video games instead of doing it online. I had lots of fun playing 2 player games with my brother.
Completely agree. I have so many fond memories of playing split screen with my friends, but it basically doesn’t exist anymore.
@@GoobaandJetpack It's really sad. I worry about how kids grow up with online multiplayer.
The internet was the worst thing to ever happen to humanity, and I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that
@@the_motherfucker It's pretty bad but I feel like nuclear weapons might be a bit worse. At least the internet won't drive us to extinction with the push of a few buttons.
Something that bothers me with them being negative is that they act as if every game that isn't mainstream is basically trash. If you aren't playing NBA2K, Madden, WWE, Fall Guys, Batman, Spider-Man, Call of Duty, Mario, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Sonic, Pokemon, Zelda, Splatoon, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, GTA, Dead by Daylight, Resident Evil, Red Dead Redemption, and Fortnite like the rest of them then you're taste in games is horrible. I really don't understand Mario Kart fanboys beef with other kart racing games. Any time Nintendo posts a trailer to a new season of Disney Speedstorm, they're flooding the comment sections with nothing but hate. Smash Bros fans act toxic towards MultiVersus as well on Twitter/X. They really have a hard time understanding why someone would have a genuine interest in other kart racers or platform fighters. It's like damn do we all have to put a limit on how many games we're supposed to be interested in ? They act like a bunch of nerdy psychos. In their minds, you're only supposed to like games that are popular. Screw everything else. The only time I see gamers act positive towards a game is when it's a franchise that they like. Anything outside of that irks the hell out of them lol.
Theres no winning, its like
You like a popular game: hated
You like a "overrated game":hated
You have a prefrence on how you game: hated
You own a pc: hated
You own a console: hated
The gaming community is filled with constant hatred its not fun being around. But realistically some people in the real world are extremely hateful. To even add on most hate moderation and say "you dont deserve to be on the internet if you cant handle toxicity" turns out its a mindset who want to be rebellious and have the freedom to be a-holes online.
The online gaming community is comprised very heavily of individuals with levels of social personality disorder that range from problematic to outright dysfunctional, which is to say - a lot of people who can’t hold a job or otherwise function in society in a tangible sense, and the gaming community is their only social outlet.
In some cases it’s a positive outlet for people with social anxiety or depression or other disorders that make in-person socializing difficult (also physical disabilities).
But just as often, it’s an unfortunate playground for unchecked and unhealthy behaviors towards other gamers. I’ve observed all manner of personal squabbles, and some feuds that last years, involving people getting doxxed, outed on social media, fired from their jobs, etc.
I don’t know if I would say it’s very heavily comprised of people with social disorders, but I do agree that the online community provides an outlet for people who may not be able to voice their opinions as easily in person. Unfortunately there are people who use their online anonymity to troll and spread toxicity.
I think I need to play these games you mentioned! ....and now that I am aware of the toxic community surrounding those titles, I will brace myself. Eesh. You make some good points. Thanks for speaking up.
You definitely should check them out! They’re great games and there are still some great discussions to be had in those communities. Just gotta avoid the toxic people if you can lol
At the end of the day, many gamers are going to bitch about anything. They love negativity and being negative that they are grasping at anything to be negative about. Many gaming youtubers see this too which is why most gaming channels are 90% negative "critiques".
That's fair. Even if a game is exactly what they want, some gamers will say its "too perfect".
Don’t I know it I’m a disabled ex soldier and twitch streamers have stalked me over twitter hating on me and some trying steal from me via patreon and calling me names for being in army and the amount of racism and homophobia and other disgusting behaviour all over twitch
It’s so sad to see how many platforms and communities suffer from toxic members.
The rise of social media also meant the rise of pointless screamers who want to put us down at their level.
Just enjoy for yourself without considering what other people think. There's ALWAYS a troll trying to make us believe that we're stupid for loving something. EVERY game gets zeros on metacritic from pointless trolls. TLoU : Part 2 is my favorite game ever for many reasons and I couldn't care less what whiners think. It really helps to learn about narcissism and understand that social media is flooded with narcissists. It clearly is a modern plague that lead to cancel culture and the polarisation in all discussions. How come that we are in the best era ever for gaming, yet whiners scream that all companies that produce them are in just for cash and AAA gaming has never been worse?! These whiners are in for attention, nothing else. Narcissists have never been worse simply because they now have the tools to put as many people down as they can because the floodgates are open for them. Even the mainstream media give them attention! It's just like being in high shcool. You WILL meet the worst people you don't want nothing to do with, because that's where they thrive. I'm 42 and explained to a 14 years old teen recently (who's been told by another adult that these were the best years of her life) and let her know that for the majority of us, high school was the worst time of our lives. Some teens are not just mean, they want us to feel miserable and they'll work on it to make sure it works! The internet is full of them! Bad use of social media is a modern threat. It's not about to change until this generation learns from their mistakes and educate the next generation how bad it was for them. For now, we're just in the snake pit and must learn not to jump in it head first. I just read an article on Gamespot about toxic gamers and the first comment I read was the very definition of it. I tried to laugh it off, checked how many comments this user had written over the years and found out it was just about 56 000 in 10 years. That's over 15 comments a day. We must learn to not give them our time and efforts. I miss magazines where the trolls were relegated to a few spaces in the "gamers' response" section. Now, they're all over the place. They're still a minority, but they occupy most of the online space. Last thing : you want to know how to have your house destroyed? Do an "open house"! Regardless of how well intentionned you are, every single open house I've ever heard of ended with theft and destruction. That's the internet today.
You make some good points. Social media has done some good things but it also gives a platform to some of the worst people, especially in the gaming community.
gaming community is not toxic, gamers are
You’ll never guess who makes up that community
I wish my only problem in life was getting angry about representation in games.
Thanks for watching! I think representation in gaming matters, but at the end of the day I think we all should play the games we enjoy, and just agree to disagree on the ones we don't.
@@GoobaandJetpack my bad if it seemed like that was directed at you cause I think representation matters a lot too! I just mean people who are butthurt over more representation. i am all for as much diversity and representation we can get :)
Phew! Thanks for clarifying, sometimes its hard to tell the tone of comments, especially on this video lol
This is the biggest problem I have with the gaming community. I feel like after 2005, the community slowly started becoming divided in terms of games they'd rather play. Some people even prefer to stick to old games in the third and fourth generation because they'd rather be complacent than try to be open to new things in the fifth and sixth generation. That's pretty sad, but it's also understandable. What's even more sad is how nearly half the gaming community reacted to the leaks of "The Last of Us Part II" before it even came out. And when more and more people started liking that game and voted for it to win the awards, and when it won Game of the Year at The Game Awards 2020 and people called it rigged, it convinced me that the gaming community had become unstable at that point. And now I look at the gaming community as a joke because of the hostility towards one another. It's to the point where I want nothing to do with the gaming community, unless they do these things, which should be mandatory: take a hard look at themselves in the mirror, be open to other people's perspectives, empathize with them, and respect each others' opinions.
However, in my honest opinion, the game that truly made the gaming industry unstable is "Cyberpunk 2077" with its broken launch, realistically on ALL platforms. That was a true wake-up call for everyone. And now gaming as a whole is unstable. But some modern gamers (particularly those from the seventh and eighth generation) still don't see that. And those people want more bigger games with better graphics to come out faster without crunch??? Maybe that's possible with Unreal Engine 5 on taking less time to make bigger games, but I feel like the work put into using that software will be less genuine. And I'm sorry, but I think that's going overboard.
Former Sony boss Shawn Layden said AAA game development cost is unsustainable and he'd personally welcome back games that are 12 to 15 hours long, and I agree with him. Games that are 12 to 15 hours long is my ideal length. 24 hours on average is officially my limit on the length of linear games, and "The Last of Us Part II" proved that for me. And let's not forget the length of "Resident Evil 6", as that game was almost as long as "The Last of Us Part II". I even questioned the length of "Gravity Rush 2", which unfortunately didn't sell well outside of Japan. I don't think I can handle another game that's 24 hours on average. I can handle "The Last of Us Part II", but sadly the length of that game completely killed my interest in 3D "Zelda" games, even the older ones.
Oh, and indie games aren't much better either, as they focus on nostalgia. And they're either too hard (kaizo style) or too easy (infinite lives) most of the time. Most of the Kickstarters on those games end up being a disappointment. Seriously, the only indie games that have caught my attention are "Horizon Chase Turbo", "Blade Strangers", "Sonic Mania Plus", "Bare Knuckle IV", and both "Ori" games (which apparently had development problems, mainly the working conditions). Pretty much everything else is just trying to be retro. That may be fine for people who want more of that, but they generally don't cut it for me.
As far as I'm concerned on "The Last of Us" series, "Part II" is the end of an era for me. I'm currently treating "The Last of Us" series like "The Godfather" film series (the 1974 film "The Godfather Part II" originally ended the film series) along with the "Metal Gear Solid" trilogy ("Metal Gear Solid 2" was supposed to chronologically end the series).
As far as I'm concerned on the "Uncharted" series, "Uncharted 4" (along with "The Lost Legacy") is the end of an era for me. I'm currently treating the "Uncharted" series like the classic "Tomb Raider" games from Core Design, especially since I haven't played a single "Tomb Raider" game after "The Last Revelation" (a true send-off for the original series, in my opinion).
I consider myself a true genuine gamer (from third generation up to eighth generation), who tries to look at all sides, and knows when things must come to an end. And the eighth (or possibly ninth) generation is where I'm winding down on gaming in general (mainly because of the toxicity that surrounded "The Last of Us Part II"). I've had a good run in gaming, but I think it's time for new gamers to step up.
Thanks for watching my video. This was very insightful and you made some great points. Have you considered doing your own video on this topic? You clearly put a lot of thought into this comment.
@@GoobaandJetpack I would make a video about this topic too...if I had a microphone.
Dude I’m glad I found this channel after I got done watching another video about someone I guess being toxic I find it funny when “gamers” call people “normies” cause they like something they think is trash like dude you don’t have to play it or pay it any attention what so ever
Exactly. I can't stand elitists thinking someone else "isn't a real gamer" because they like a game that they don't like. Games are for everyone and we can all enjoy different things.
You made some good points about this. And sadly it's not even just these problems that you already mentioned because another level of toxicity that's been going on from these people lately is how they like using that buzzword "woke". Which I've been hearing that quite often a lot to the point it's really silly and annoying . But then again, you also have those that just want to jump on the bandwagon. And honestly, I do believe the people who act like this over a video game on the internet are mostly a bunch of grown ass adults. Which I found it sad.
Right. Like I completely understand being passionate about video games, obviously we are lol but if it gets to a point where you are harassing strangers online over a disagreement about a video game, you need to work on your priorities.
Both woke and anti-woke are 2 sides of the same Coin of Political Hatred/Toxicity which ruining every industry. I mean look at this great game LoZ TotK suddenly stuck in the middle of this nonsensial battle between both woke and anti-woke. This need to stop politics now
@@alyasVictorio It just dumb in general, man. They're pretty much in the same category as the buzzword "sjw". And yeah I strongly agree that it does needs to stop. Especially with all of this culture war bs.
I’m late but do appreciate that you are spreading awareness like this and also just want to say you have a great voice for commentary and summary videos like this.
Thank you! This was a topic I had wanted to make a video on for a long time. Longer essay type videos like this are a lot of work but I'd like to make more like this. Appreciate you checking it out!
If you ever watched Oshi No Ko, the manga/ anime explore the issues of internet culture/ community as a whole and it connects with the online gaming community in general. That they cause more harm as the entertainment industries as well but worse but they harassed workers and actors without fully understanding the issue
Wow, Gooba, this is a fantastic analysis video of toxic in gaming. I also love your final fantasy 13 music during the facebook comments. I still can't believe people complained so much about God of War. "that is YOU politicizing this game, not the writers" I LOVE THAT. And YES for Horizon Forbidden West's character design. It's ridiculous. This was a fantastic video about how if people maybe took the time to watch content again, or maybe just had honest conversations about games, OR maybe just respected that people are entitled to their opinions, regardless if it matches yours or not, we'd have more inclusion and acceptance in video games. I hope that video game companies start to acknowledge this toxicity as well and fix a lot of these issues internally and with the content they produce as well. Once again, loved your content!
And another thing, video games are a multi-billion dollar industry. It costs just as much to make a AAA title as a movie or Netflix style TV show, and yet, we still have this level of toxicity, homophobia, etc etc
Thanks so much! I know everyone has an opinion and we’re not all going to agree all the time. I just hope when it comes to discussions about gaming that people will put their egos aside and hear out the other side.
yeah when I go to RUclips I find like gaming is dying gaming is not fun gaming is boring if you buy a game like assassin creed Valhalla for 60 dollars then your ruining gaming I'm really getting sick of this gaming is dead trend
I agree. And I think that stuff just adds to the toxicity in the community. It’s like if you don’t have the same opinions as someone else on a specific game “you are the problem.” Gaming is for everyone, and people can play and enjoy whatever they want.
They'll say "gaming isn't fun" and "gaming is dying", but will be there to buy the latest game and will keep gaming. "Oh I'm just buying it to see how bad the game is." Are ya?
Here's Onex7805's most sympathetic Reddit comment. This is why I hate Anti-SJW, Modern Gamer.
I feel the launch of this game finally exposed the "Trust 'honest' RUclipsrs over those 'professional' journalists!" myth. Up to very recently, the majority of those that had been criticizing CDPR's practices and studio problems were outlets and actual journalists while RUclipsrs were busy to downplay them to pander to the gaming community and fans were eating that up, making up some conspiracy theories about "BRAVE CDPR IS FIGHTING THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA", nonsense pushed by the anti-SJW crowd likes of Upper Echelon Gamers (Who now posted "I'm done defending Cyberpunk" lmao)
People like Angry Joe have been hyping the shit out of this game as if it is going to be the second coming of Christ without an ounce of skepticism, got invited to the CDPR headquarters, defended their deeds as if he is their PR guy, has been downplaying all the news regarding crunches and shit management by saying
"The employees take their jobs very seriously. It's very tough over there okay. It's not a walk in the park, but that's what comes with being a prestigious company. It's tough, but they're doing things right."
Any other company, he would be virtue signaling about how employees are abused as he did with Bioware and Naughty Dog because they made the games the community didn't like. When Cyberpunk got released, he had streams talking about "Come on guys, this is their first massive openworld game, they will fix the bugs" and made a news video on game controversies and tried his hardest to shift the blame from CDPR to Microsoft by claiming the Halo Infinite delay forced CDPR to release this game.
This is the same guy who fills his reviews with the 10 minutes skits of Angry Joe fighting the "corporate commander" strawman, branded himself as the "champion of consumers" spiel. This is the guy who posted an Angry Rant on The Last of Us Part II just based on the plot leaks of the game that wasn't out. (And a significant portion of the leaks turned out to be inaccurate) He only now published an Angry Rant on Cyberpunk almost a week later because everybody is now shitting on it and jumped in on the bandwagon since that is where his bread and butter are and his instincts to catch up with trends are better than the majority of reactionary gaming RUclipsrs. If there were no backlash, I can assure you he'll still be singing praises nonstop.
Skill Up published a review that praises how the city feels real and immersive. CohhCarnage was shitting all over Watch Dogs Legion about every tiny detail of the engine, and now with Cyberpunk, it's all about the story. YongYea finishes the game and reviews it before release, "The game has some bugs, but it is exactly what I wanted it to be" then it ends with praises, despite the game missing so many of its promised features Yong wanted.
With this said, a lot of these RUclipsrs are now lambasting the game, but again, it is because that is where their bread and butter are. Any gaming Youtubsr who gushed about the game prior to or right afterthe release then turned against it now is just a crowd follower who looks at subs like these and follows what they think the popular opinion is.
Outlets like IGN and Gamespot get shit all the time for being biased (for good reasons), but so many RUclipsrs that regurgitate what the community says to drum up controversy or hype get a free pass when they are not much different from phony sensationalist yellow journalists they claim to fight against. Contrary to the popular belief, professional media personalities don't get paid by clicks, while RUclipsrs do and have an actual incentive to follow the bias of their viewers. Their audience doesn't hold the influencers accountable for anything. They are basically just watching long advertisement videos with ads on top of them. The majority of these big-name RUclipsrs are grifters who built careers around telling their audience what they what to hear rather than what they need to hear, despite they have been marketing themselves as 'honest' and 'real'. Chris Davis pointed this out in his critique video, and I am so glad he did. Studios are not rewarded for investing in the product itself and only for the marketing and public relations.
It is frustrating how people complain that major review sites are way too biased and lack integrity but they always seem to ignore RUclipsrs who are even far worse. They still can't get their heads out of the naive impressions of old RUclips days when the gaming RUclipsrs were pure and innocent, which was a decade ago.
Imagine Cyberpunk 2077 was an EA, Bethesda, or Ubisoft product. If any other studio promised a world as deep as Red Dead Redemption 2, with better cops than GTA V, presented their game as if it is a life sim, if any other studio promoted a game as an RPG and ended up removing that description from their site? It will not be "Oh but it will get patched so still buy it" at the release. Angry Joe would be calling the game an Epic Fail and rallying his fans to demand a fix or refund, Skill Up would issue a PSA not to buy this game, and YongYea would be talking about disgusting business practices and false advertising while saying that despite the game being good in some areas that shouldn’t excuse all the ways they dropped the ball. But hey, it’s CDPR. They’re gamers just like us and wholesome Keanu 100. They had to keep the narrative that CDPR was supposed to be the end of year savior because gamers have this creepy parasocial relationship with them since The Witcher 2. These RUclipsrs had to feed into what their audience wants. People need their community consensus validated and if a major reviewer disagrees with their consensus suddenly they’re biased and don’t deserve the job they have.
The problem is these guys are literally influencers. Their followers are literally influenced by their opinions of the game and parroting whatever things they said, despite don't play the game first-hand and not considering they're using the best machines to run the game. Either, at best, they have invested so much and waited so much for the game so they subconsciously refuse to admit it, or at worst, they are leeches who are in it for the paycheck. They need to cater to the people (community) who make clicks.
My answer: Watch RUclips Gaming 'Journalism' Is SICK || EVEN STEPHENS, Why Gaming Culture is so Toxic, Videogame Discourse: More Broken Than Cyberpunk (The Jimquisition), I HATE r/gaming, REVIEW SCORES. It's good video.
Thanks for watching!
People suck..
Pretty much, yeah
Completely agree with everything you just said. Been feeling VERY strongly about this lately. Realizing how much Gen Z and Millenials complain.
The problem with these communities is that they have fans who are too sensitive to criticism of a game and bash those who have a different opinion.
Yeah, I think whatever your opinions are on a game, you should be open to hearing other peoples opinions and starting a discussion.
"criticism"
That's true, especially for games that are universally regarded as masterpieces, but the opposite is also true as well. A lot of times good games get an insane amount of hate from the gaming community, with shallow criticisms from people who haven't even played the game they're trashing.
I've noticed when playing a versus game, from sports to fps games, when people start to lose they quit. It's hard to enjoy a victory anymore because of it. "Always want to play but you never want to lose" - system of a down
That is frustrating. Although I'm usually the one losing lol learning to accept defeat is just a part of competitive games.
Also appreciate the SOAD quote. I was a BIG fan growing up.
@@GoobaandJetpacksame M&H is my favourite album
every single guy good at a game is toxic in my eyes they always ruin everything
I wouldn't say everyone who's good at games is toxic, but there are definitely some gamers who use their skill to put down other people.
People are also being really easy to be manipulated nowadays, just look at the Stellar Blade outrage where you could easily surround your average game with culture war narrative
I just left gaming community that people keep posting about latest drama or bait post in ffxiv group. I rather stick with smaller group.
I can understand that. I feel like it's the larger communities that tend to harbor more toxicity which makes them not as fun to be a part of.
I also left both Twitter and discord for the exact same reason. And also i find it ironic that most people hate the likes of CM Punk yet the same people act just like him which is sad
I heard the game Palword is good but the fanbase is pretty annoying because the Palword fans comparing this game to Pokemon is getting repetitive. I don't really care for the Pokemon fans either because I don't play Pokemon
I agree both fanbases can be pretty aggressive. Something that I think a lot of people don't realize is that Pokemon when it first started was accused of copying Dragon Quest. Both series are "copying" a series that came before it.
I miss the old days when we played games just for fun
Same dude
What old days? Bot comment?
Saem
@@CantRead1 He means referring to when gaming was about enjoying yourself when people would just play video games for fun.
Its like people cant have opinions anymore no one can agree to disagree everyone needs to be right toxicity stems from these kinds of people. Just spreading hate for the sake of hate great video by the way.
Right. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone's opinions about games, but hating someone for having a different opinion is a problem.
There will always be something. This toxicity is the livelihood for some content creators. These days its MJ's face or pride flags in Spider-Man 2. They tore down Forbidden West for Aloy having peach fuzz hair on her face. Who F***** cares?
They literally ruined Cyberpunk 2077 with all their unasked for expectations on CDPR,
I know this is late, but the Austin Evans situation still makes me upset. Imagine getting doxxed and sent threats over a PS5 comparison video.
Exactly. People immediately assumed that he was saying the PS5 itself was bad, when in reality he was just saying the newest version was slightly not as well made as the original, just with a slightly clickbaity title.
Rule 1 of Gaming don't be nice rule number 2 of Game don't be a jackass with their friends but being jackass to random is acceptable rule number three of Gaming don't be a try-hard rule 4 of Gaming don't play with your family members online games
I think rule 4 could apply to any competitive games. My girlfriend and I still can't play monopoly together.
Thanks for watching!
Fighting games is full of toxicity I just play offline game am done trying to make since of there behavior
Great video. Would love to hear you talk about the idea of, "Just turn off voice chat", instead of working to make gaming culture less toxic.
Thanks for watching! Admittedly I don’t play many online multiplayer games anymore, but whenever I do I feel like not many people are on voice chat. It seems like the toxicity in gaming now is mainly on Reddit, RUclips, Twitter, etc.
@@GoobaandJetpack Yeah I'd agree it's a large portion on media platforms. In my experience, I find a lot of new budding multiplayer games though fail due to lack of voip/chat moderation because "that's just how multiplayer gaming is". Which is sad :(
I'm witnessing a lot of this even in the Witcher community now after season 2 has come out on Netflix. A community I thought was way better than this. It's literally everywhere you look.
Yup. Although I believe there are still some good discussions to be had, it does feel like they’re usually overshadowed by the toxic part of the community.
Well, Witcher show is bad as an adaptation tbh (they don't follow the books anymore, they do what they want), it's not being toxic, they kinda screwed up the books, the TV show could be so much better than what it is
My thoughts are very similar to how weebs/ toxic anime fans treat and talk to people like me who are disabled, even though anime really is inaccessible. They feel the need to shove their shit and ableist opinion down our throat. it's hard ever respectful.
That is frustrating. Unfortunately I feel like every fandom has its toxic people.
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Just the way people talk now in general feels so confrontational. And people online always seem on edge itching for an argument.
They're complete drama queens
Ah, the community that throws money at shit games and microtransactions (basically are voting with their wallets) and then complain how the industry is dying, bad, boring and so on.
Gamers screwed gamers
Gamer Gate ruined gaming
It definitely changed things in the gaming community, and not for the better.
Honestly the whole fable game announcement just show me haow bad terrible is. The youtube comment section is no different to twitter, even though they act as if they are better (I quit social medi, whilst getting ready to trash on anything in the comments section). Some guys were throwing accusations that the main character is a trans self insert with zero proof(even so I wouldn't care that much about it). The actual actor is a woman called Lily Nichol.
People want to get mad over very insignifigant stuff. She looks ok and the trailer was funny. Gamers are very very sensitive and very easy to displease acting as if they big brained and smart for playing on pc and console and hating le woke and whatever. It is just petty tribalism.
That was very frustrating to see. It always confuses me when people focus so heavily on trivial things like a fictional character’s appearance. It’s a video game. Why not focus on whether the game is fun to play or what new mechanics they’ve added or is the story interesting? In the grand scheme of things how a character looks is like the least important part of a game.
And just got worse with the announcement of Stellar Blade.
Gamers still haven't learned anything. DustinEden was harassed by Xbox fanboys for criticizing Forza Motorsport, JebZone received disgusting photos from Sonic fans for making jokes about Sonic, Stryxo and Izzzyzzz was harassed by Palworld fandom after criticizing Palworld.
It sucks games have come to this😥 Toxicity is such a bad thing in the gaming community and takes away the good things
I agree with this 100% the gaming community has started being more and more ungrateful and toxic over the content of games and I have recently started to question my faith in humanity, thanks to about 60-75% of gamers nowadays being a poisoned chalice to gaming, even if some of the gaming industry's biggest personalities not being as good as they were in the past, it feels that the gaming community's toxicity has gotten worse since Iwata's passing, it seems that if I were to speak my opinions, I would stand my ground and not be forced to backpedal on them, even if they are a threat to certain other gamers.
Aloy doesn't seem THAT different. (Haven't played the games.) But I've seen both men AND women say how video games are women 'ugly.' me personally I haven't played those games. But I do know a few people were upset at Bayonetta's design, until it was revealed a women designed her outfit. But I mean if you put mildly attractive people on your advertisements or covers, people will buy it. 🤷
I think people rush to negativity nowadays when it comes to game studios making creative choices. Had people not had a meltdown over it online, I wouldn't have even noticed the difference in Aloy's appearance. Either way, I didn't think it was worse or better than the previous game. It was just more detailed and it didn't affect how I felt about the game in the slightest.
Glad i'm out of this toxic gaming community for good. Any game from now on is considered as garbage.
What an edgelord lol 😂
@@EnaTenkiyoGamer Nah i'm saying nothing but the truth. Gaming is garbage and so you are.
@@TheREALHugo4cry about it and nice rebuttal that you're butthurt about this video 😂😂😂
seek a therapist?😂
This is such a good topic. Because holy shit, this always happens even until now. And its now all about the small things.... that doesnt even matter in the long run.
Like who the hell complains about a box art? Sure, maybe it looks bad for some but apparently it triggers a lot of people so hard. Like what do you get from a good box art outside it looks cool and good for your "hey, look at this cool stuff I have" collection?
You make a good point, people do tend to get upset over really unimportant things. Although I do collect some gaming memorabilia including steelbooks/cases so I suppose I kinda get it lol
Same with movie fans... morbius wasnt bad i liked it and people hate it without watching it... i whould like him to return and see how the story will continue but people hate it like its a dictator
That's fair. I never saw the movie and I admit I thought the memeing on it was funny, but hating on it or people who enjoy it is going a little far
@@GoobaandJetpack yeah lol atleast am glad morbius got a spot light and people know him now. He was one of the least known spiderman villians and turned to the most known cause of the memes😂
The way I see it it opens up more movies like another blade or if they have spiderman fight him. Blade and spidy did team up to fight him in the old cartoons
some people in every group are awful.
Yup. Every community has people who make it less fun.
No. ALL gamers are awful. I never seen such a group of worthless losers who are unable to respect your opinion without shoving it down your throat.
Also I've ran into grumpy old men.
People lying on others names
And people who take the game too seriously.
I have a bad habit of being toxic about fallout 4, but that's mostly because I was like 16 when I pre-ordered it and felt personally betrayed after playing new vegas for hundreds of hours, and it symbolizes the death of Bethesda
With that being said, I always keep my criticism targeted at the game, not the people who play it, though I can be impulsive in dumping on it at inappropriate times...
Yeah gaming itself used to be about enjoying yourself and even the times when playing video games makes you a gamer but yet seeing with the gaming community now.
Seeing with the toxicity like fanboys that will argue over a gaming console or those people that will call games dead just to say that they don't enjoy playing that game anymore
And of course we got the git gud term that came from the dark souls community that I will always hate that term since that term is so rude and insulting towards a person.
That just wants to have fun playing a video game instead of trying to be a pro at a video game which I just hate when there will be those people from the dark souls community
That will use that term on to anything! which it gets annoying how they will treat anything like it's dark souls! and of course the gaming community now will have these people.
That will define the word gamer with real combining it together as real gamer which I know in fact there are people that will claim mobile gamers aren't real gamers which
I find it stupid since I'm like to those people, mobile gamers are gamers and anyone can be a gamer though since playing video games makes you a gamer though.
Which I remember how someone replies to me telling me how people will only think you're a gamer if you play games like cod or fortnite or halo which I think it is stupid
Which you shouldn't be a gamer for playing those only games! which this makes me think what happen to playing any video games and that will make you a gamer?
And I still see those mobile gamers as gamers which I never like mobile games myself though, from seeing how mobile games are nothing but pay to win games nowadays.
That are disguise as free games but I still see them as games though and I still see mobile gamers as gamers though which people like that honestly do make me hate the
Gaming community so much. 🙄
I agree. One of the groups I wish I had mentioned in the video is gatekeepers. People who think someone isn’t a real gamer if they don’t play a certain game or they don’t play on a certain platform make the community worse overall. Anyone who enjoys games and is passionate about them should be able to call themself a gamer.
@@GoobaandJetpack Yeah gatekeepers in the gaming community can be the worst
I like retro games. But i recently went to a retro forum because I was struggling to understand how to play the legend of Zelda on the nes. Got downvoted and hounded to hell because of it.
The toxicity happens when studios focus on optimizing their microtransactions rather than improving community culture.
Players get jealous if you have a unique legendary item purchased then it becomes a game of the ego which leads to toxicity forcing player to buy items just to belong and pretty soon it snowballs....with player criticizing other players, bashing, etc....
That's a fair point. There's definitely a lot that could be said about how microtransactions have affected the gaming community.
How is it hurting you? Don’t buy any lol some people don’t have time to play all day or for days for one gun or whatever.
i just mentioned that a feature in a website is available and got greeted by 'its been there for years'. i dont find anything about it in the forums, i dont find anything about it available in the net. just someone who pinpoint it to the website without any tutorial of how to work things in there. and now the tutorial is online and the web is available i thought that notification is in order. but noo...the toxicity and ungratefulness keep coming up. dont know if theyre just kids or sad adults.
Thank you so much bro, this was needed 🙏🏾
Thank you for watching!
Agree with me
I'm pretty much convinced at this point that the definition of "SJW" is "Anyone with political views more progressive than the average neo-nazi".
JRPG fanbases are so much worse, one of my favorite franchises of time is SMT and it’s fanbase is fucking cancer they gatekeep and harass both newcomers and even the developers it really breaks my heart especially how amazing the modern mainline games are but it’s not perfect enough for them and don’t get me started with Persona’s fanbase but again that’s how JRPG fanbases are unfortunately 😔
It's really disappointing for people who are such big fans of a series to try to keep new players out instead of welcoming them in. If I'm a fan of a series I want to be popular so that it continues to grow and keeps making games.
@@GoobaandJetpack I agree
its always been toxic but now unfortunately with rise mmo type,games we have else got a bunch entitled schmuks who think that the gaming industry revolves around themselves.
plus the rise of youtube and clickbait means alot of those channels are all about the shock factor to get views instead of well thought out good quality content.
Just recently got an encounter with one of my associates who were in a club I disliked. I had no problem with him. Then he randomly started checking me talking about don't mix me up with everyone else. I responded wtf are you talking about. Then he started playing the victim claiming I changed on him or some b.s. After I literally was just in game chat clowning around and laughing. After I told him I had nothing against him. I then explained the situation that was happening with his club. Not blaming him for anything. He then responded with such bs talking about see thats what I was talking about in the beginning as if I blamed him in the 1st place. He then said sorry maybe he was tripping. So I sent him✌😎 to show him he's good. This idiot proceeded to play the victim again. I just stopped responding after that. I feel like he was trolling. Let me know in the replies⬇
Sounds like a club you don't wanna be associated with anyway. Games are supposed to be fun and it sounds like they were making it more toxic than anything.
@@GoobaandJetpack yup 100% dude was doing the most. My head was hurting typing this🤧
Just a heads up, you should probably avoid using Niche Gamer as a source next time, as they are part of the problem this video is citeing
Thank you for the heads up! My sources for that section of the video were mainly Austins video and other videos about the situation, the Niche Gamer article was mostly used as a visual aid in the background, but I was not aware they were part of the issue so I appreciate you letting me know. Thanks for watching!
This video was 2 years ago and things became much much worse now
its always happen and become much worse now, all online community now basically is Toxic.
Yeah, some communities are better than others but I think for the most part every community has some form of toxicity
@@GoobaandJetpack the sad thing is they actually don't want to be toxic (maybe? coz I see some of them love being the bad guys), many of them just to stubborn and firmly believe of what they believe is the true one and everyone should follow it, this is why I distance myself for any form social media, only use it when I want report the trouble with my Wi-Fi/Internet or the meeting place of convention retro game which btw also have Toxic community too coz we are bunch old man who cannot agree what the best retro game and console.
Perhaps
True, but it wasn't THIS bad back in the 90s and early 2000s. Toxicity was only an occasional unfortunate circumstance back then where now it's commonplace. Maybe this is an extreme example, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a lobby in MWII where there isn't at least ONE person dropping the N-word over the mic.
My question is why do companies promote the toxic behaviors while punishing others that are trying to help there teammates(example play league watch someone int give them advice to fix there lane or survive it watch them flame you and you get penalized)
I love your video bro i have a xbox series x and i tell u what these xbox gamers are so toxic i hate it i miss the days whers everyone got along and there was no hating on people i delt with it with xbox gamers hating on me calling me names because im not a fan of gamepass i like every console equally i hate cosole wars
EVERY new game that comes out that's an ORIGINAL idea is overwhelmed with negativity, it happened with The Grinder by High Voltage Software and now Darkborn. The same people wanna act dumb and wonder why they were cancelled. 🙄 But if you dare question how developers are only making remasters and reboots, or question the choices the devs are making. Your told "stop free-thinking!" Also all it took was for a boss to kill fan favorite characters in an anime spin-off to get people to play Cyberpunk.
People are hating on the new cod and it's not even out yet. Toxic 12 year olds who think they know everything
I feel like that always happens with COD and the other yearly titles. I certainly have my critiques on the series but let the game come out before you tear it apart.
People still play that game?
Using phrases like "12 year old" as insults makes you part of the problem
@@the_motherfucker I'm not even using it as an insult, I'm using it as a literal term here
Its the same with concord now 😢
I put a post up on a Facebook video game group , saying what’s a better game god of war or red dead 2 . Everybody was acting like gow was chop liver and was absolute ass , some idiot said, f** the whole god of war community . I’m like that’s not true they clearly didn’t play the game. Im not posting any comparisons here again
Exactly what I mean when I say people can't even have a discussion with someone they disagree with. Both games are great, easily in my top 10 of all time, but since GOW won game of the year instead of red dead 2, a certain group of red dead fans resort to calling GOW trash rather than discussing why they like rdr more.
Can't we all just get along...?
Great video bro
Thanks for watching!
@@GoobaandJetpack who ever invited this didn’t think of criticizing and toxicity of this useless thing. It’s makes me sick
Toxic gamers be like: "anime is temporary, gaming is forever but doom is eternal"
this is why i only love between anime and gaming without joining community gamers nowadays are extreme pathetic for cause false information about anime
6:42. I can't get enough of that banjo!
You should get on Henge of Denravi and play World vs World on GW2, you will see a lot of supposed "edge lords" who think the server is their personal property and will be toxic to people for simple callous. It's really bad to be honest. There are quite a few on the game that get their kicks on making the game miserable for others. It shows you exactly why they are constantly losing in the game. They spend more time running their mouths instead of playing the game. I was kicked from one guild for calling out that every tower around our garrison was being taken so the opposite team could put up trebuchet and attack garrison from all sides. The guild leader thinks that others have no freedom of speech and the server is his personal property. The other guild that kicked me, kicked me simply because I refuse to support illegal immigration. So, there's political issues there as well. I am swapping servers soon to a server that is winning on a consistent basis and is not near as toxic.
it's just a game 😂 why are people so mad
It's great we have kind people like you that insult millions of people blindly you dislike.
Thank you so much. It’s nice to feel appreciated.
As a person that's been to gamefaqs, I've never really seen a right-wing gamer, aren't they mostly hunters and campers? Sorry if it's a stereotypical view, but I've been to gamefaqs politics and they shit on right wingers all the time. The gaming community is toxic to Asian men though, but even if you say it doesn't exist, there's no one fighting for them, which proves my point. I know we got no room for them. Cause at the end of the day you pick on a group where you receive the least resistance from others. No one's gonna get backlash for bagging on people with Downs for example. Saw that for the millionth time copy pasta on gamefaqs politics. It's like dude, okay you guys hate Asians, we get it lol. I mean gamers are suppose to be neutral, fight for basic civil rights for everyone, but they're not suppose to take one minority's side over another just cause me as a minority don't have as much swag or whatever.
Gamefaqs is a dying site 😂
Got to be toxic so that people don't try me
Thanks for proving this video's point lol
Bro why did they have to make her a lesbian? There is no reason to do so. Why couldn't she be straight?
Why does it matter? Games are for everyone and the more types of people that are represented in games, the more people can relate to them. It only has a positive effect on the game as a whole.
WE LOVE TOXICITY!!!!!
Skill issue
this video was sponsored by Neil Cuckman
Cope lol
It’s not nearly toxic enough. But we’re getting there