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It's a good process.... Hopefully more tech like what was shown can be invented for arid desert regions of Africa like the Sahara where clouds are rare or unseen....
you say the dams are drying up well yes, when Hitler was friends with Franco he told him build dams, and charge for the water, but they have dried up almost every river in Spain, contributing to global climate change.. this man does the job the government should do, but as long as the Nazi King is in power nothing will change
I like the idea of collecting water from fog. I think it should be a temporary solution, and should be used to water tree seedings, as trees do the best job of collecting water.
What they are doing is much more efficient and clearly much easier to collect the water from the mesh than from leaves or pine needles. Plus, with the mesh collectors they can direct the water to anywhere and used it for multiple things. If you used just trees then you end up with large trees that you cannot really collect enough water from and those trees don't collect enough to feed themselves else they would already have populated the very place where they are doing the fog mining for water.
@@standingbear998 No, this is cloud water, they're far from depleted through this process. The clouds just pass over the islands and the rain would fall into the Atlantic ocean. The Canary Islands are dry because the clouds are carried North/West, not because there isn't enough evaporation from the ocean.
No-one else loses water. Do pay attention. These are islands in the middle of the ocean. There’s plenty more ocean between this and the continent for more water to evaporate from. This is in fact the beginning of restoration of the rainfall pattern that happened before recent deforestation.
This is an ingenious solution for regeneration of deforested or burnt-down areas. I hope the authorities, federal, state, and local, are applying the lessons in California. The Marin Headlands especially can be reafforested.
@@descorulez Are you eating products that can only be grown in tropical climates and are a cause of deforestation? wow look at that, we can all make snarky comments.
Nylon mesh used on South America last three years before failure due to photo oxidative degradation but today they last 20 years with no UV degradation with a product called Alterin PAM from the UK
funny enough,..i was born in gran canaria,...and live in Chile,.....and its actually here in chile where the locals invented the idea,with the fog sails.... glad to see,they are implementing the Chilean idea in my land......congratulations.
Did she say that these forests started disappearing about 20,000 years ago due to human impact on global climate change? If so, what impact did humans have 20,000 years ago on climate?
None. In fact, desertification was caused by the change in the inclination of the earth, which caused the northern hemisphere to cool down. In fact that is the reason why the Sahara arose. The northern hemisphere received 7% more energy from the sun, which caused the air currents with water vapor from the Atlantic to go inland. As the temperature and therefore the amount of steam in the Atlantic air decreased, the currents reversed, taking the hot air from Africa towards the sea, causing progressive desertification. So no, it wasn't humanity that did it.
The indigenous people in the Andes Mountains also use fog collectors and have been for some time (centuries), there are also different kinds of natural collectors made out of gardens in what is now Mexico and Guatemala.
The effect of condensation is naturally happening in a forest. That’s allowing a forest to recycle water and create its own rainfall. We have to plant trees everywhere. The dry lands in Spain were covered with vegetation not to long ago
Condensation requires humid air, so this system cannot be applied to the whole of Spain. The air in the south-east of the Iberian peninsula is quite dry so this system would deliver a limited amount of water.
@@itisabird though, increasing green cover can alter low level humidity (condensation can still occur at night - even in the Sahara(. Just like encroaching desertification it happens around the perimeters (land use and abuse absolutely matters)..
Big fan of trees, but I'm not sold on mass planting of trees. They tried something like that near me and most died. Better to start building in biodiversity and the trees will come naturally. You can even start cutting back young trees to give competitive advantage to a particular tree. Especially where there are many young trees in a small area, just pick a few keepers that are spread out and cut back the rest.
The Romans used to build "dry wells" in critical areas. At night, cool dark air sinks into the dry well, condensed on the stone sides, and dropped as water to the bottom. Given long enough, the well filled up. These were emergency water stores for military use. (shrug) Don't know why that isn't still being done. This above ground moisture collection is basically the same thing.
I didn't knew this was already being used in the canaries, I always look here in my town to the mountain wich is covered regularly with fog, and think how much water could be extracted for agriculture.
I've seen this method before, of collecting the condensation through some type of "mesh material", usually near a mountainous terrain, apparently used in Chile and other places, it should for sure start to be used in some parts of Spain that are currently experiencing "drought" and bush-fires, as the lower rainfall makes it a higher risk for fires. In the example shown in Gran Canaria, they have what can be called a complete water collection, with all the meshes collecting the dew, and then it drips into the pipes or conduits, and are then collected in those 1000 liter tanks, it's a brilliant idea, but the entire system would be costly, with the plumbing, tanks, electrical gauges, transport to collect the tanks, plus any other costs. It is ideal for some situations that face drastic water shortages, while other places a cheaper and easier way of "bringing water and moisture into the environment" can be installed. In some places where they are trying to "regenerate" the forests and trees that once stood, but have been reduced through "bad practices", water shortages, droughts, blights, funguses, diseases, wildfires, soil erosion, introduced pests that ravage the natural landscape, the gradual "deforestation" that has occurred in many places, whether by accident or by design, sometimes some people and some cultures seemingly and willingly destroy the environment either for quick profits, or to make the surrounding lands "undesirable" for people to visit and stay there long-term, they purposely deforest the environment, so that there are no natural resources, there are no places to visit, hang out, go fishing, go hunting, go bush walking, not even any places to sit under a tree and get some shade, there's nothing there that makes it interesting, that is their aim, it is an extremely small mind-set, that thinks by creating a barren landscape, they themselves will then become more powerful, as all natural resources have been decimated, the only resources that are left, are man-made resources, which those responsible for the "environmental cull" hope to be snug as a bug in a rug, in a place that has shade, and they will proclaim themselves "the monopoly of resources" Without an over-explanation about this type of water collection system, I personally think it is perfect, as they say in the doco, the meshes, the "square nets" that collect the water, are effectively mimicking the trees themselves that use a similar method, collecting the water through it's leaves or needles, after water droplets falling onto the ground, which the trees use for watering. The "mesh nets" should be installed, by themselves everywhere that needs some more water, moisture into the atmosphere, into the ground, and the water droplets then water the "planted trees and seedlings", without all the other costs of the water collection, just the "meshes" with the new planted trees, which can afterwards do the job of the meshes. The "ecosystems" of Mountains, and Forests are quite delicate, they are like a "chain" of natural phenomenons, when one part of the cycle, when one link of the chain is broken, the whole ecosystem breaks down, and then you start the "desertification" process, sometimes human intervention is needed to reverse this process, just like human intervention, started the process. Everyone that lives in an area that is prone to droughts, or a drying landscape, should be looking at "horizontal precipitation" - it will bring "vertical vegetation"
I think as long as the water is used for regenerative efforts like those seen here, then crack on. My biggest concern is that everyone jumps on these collection methods where and when they don't need to, or in geographic areas which would definitely benefit from it, but keep the water for themselves/profit. It's screwing over the future in the same way that pollution now is screwing over the climate future. If you suck up all the moisture from the air, you're messing with the hydrological cycle.
@@brymstoner I wondered about this last time I came across this concept of condensation as a way to collect moisture in air. There are some ancient aquaducts found in both South America and in Egypt that people used piles of stones to collect water that would trickle down the inside walls. I wonder theoretically how much water the atmosphere can hold and what level of extraction humans would have to do to really make a difference. Clearly, humans will cause negative impact when doing anything at a large enough scale. Maybe its not about finding one alternative to go all in on, but rather use various methods of water collection so as to not over extract from any single source and disrupt the vulnerable balance.
@@TheGrape1234 the key is regeneration. if it's not done in a regenerative way, which is what makes something truly sustainable, then all we're doing is taking resources. and the planet cannot support this long term. most people look at, for example, lost tribes and think what a backward people; still living in mud huts or have simple ways, etc. simple though their ways may be, they certainly aren't motivated by capitalism and greed when it comes to their resources. the expression "it takes a village" exists for good reason. we'd all, society as a whole, do good to revisit and better understand and appreciate this expression right now more than ever. it's not too late to get the balance back on track. when we all went into the first global lockdown, the planet could breathe again. short-lived though it was, we had a cracking few properly weathered seasons. briefly. then the roads and waterways began repopulating and the pollution began bellowing back into the skies. now it feels like we're putting out more pollution than before the pandemic. what followed and is still happening was a series of environmental catastrophes. floods, wildfires, droughts, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, glaciers receding and altogether disappearing faster than ever. as outlandish as it sounds, we honestly might stand a better chance of moving to space (earth orbit), the moon and/or mars at this point. just to save the planet from dying.
The problem with this system is that it takes water out of the air, and that water is then not available further downwind. That means that you are only moving the desertification downwind. Further, these systems are so efficient at removing water from air that the dry area downwind is much larger and mch dryer, leading to increased and more intense wildfires which burn much more quickly through much larger areas. Not exactly what California needs. Take a look at the video again, and notice how the trees downwind from the collectors are a lighter colour of green, yellowish, or in some cases outright dead, as compared to the trees upwind and to the sides. Really the only solution to climate change is to reduce and then maintain family sizes until our population is greatly reduced. Increasing our population will only lead to worsening problems of desertification and climate change.
Some Native American elders view the desert as a garden. But most people see a barren wasteland and succumb to the heat without noticing plant life and places where water can be found beneath the surface of the soil.
There is an ecological place for deserts just as there is for every tipe of biome. But please let us not romantice desertification just because some people and species call it their home. The places mentioned were supposed to be forests.
This seems like it would be so easy and cost effective to implement along the coasts in the USA. Agriculture is such a big consumer of water, and it’d make perfect sense for farmers to implement.
Oh, don't worry, your government plans to destroy the agriculture in any case, so I wouldn't bother with investment. Let the megacorporations take care of it when they finalize the land grab...
@@JimNichols Considering this area was affected by human behavior, restoring it to its' original ecosystem. That water was normally captured by tons of trees and kept on the island. And I don't know how much they are "taking" from anywhere else considering it's an island?
@@JimNicholswondered the same thing. Seems a brilliant use for reforestation, as here on the Gran Canary. However, if widely implemented say in CA & all western USA states consumed by wildfires, seems the rest of the nation (and🌎) may receive less natural rainfall bc🚫💧☁️☁️
This technique is used in Nature by the Kalahary Scarabs to get drinking water. What you are doing is good, in Madeira and Azores Islands there are good laurel forests, but this is to little to what is really needed. And do not forget the fire hazard in those regions. To Spain and Portugal this is just a tiny drop. Whe need much more water.
A young girl in Africa adopted this method, and solved her families water probs....It proves that setting pipelines isn't the only way to supply hydro in difficult areas...
There is a project in Morrocco called Aqualonis, which we covered in a previous video, It was the biggest fog collector system to date, but there is always room for expansion
This technology as a principle has been known to man for many hundred years. The first documented large scale modern fog collector dates back to 1969 - more than 50 years ago. So the reason it is not widespread is not the "newness" of the technology but the limited places on earth where it is possible to collect enough water reliably. Yes, you might collect 160 liters in one day under optimal conditions, but that does not help if this only occurs once every 10 years. Its the monthly average that really counts. That said, fog collection is one of the better "re-invented" technologies for water harvesting. If you have the right location. It is cheap, and can produce usable quantities of water consistently. But most places with a lot of fog also have a lot of rain. And with enough rain, fog collection is pointless. But in the few places on earth with regular fog and little rain it is excellent. In other places dew condensation nets can also be beneficial, but with a much lower yield than fog.
@@JoppeOSL First you should convince absolute king Mohamed Vi. You can usually find him in Paris disguised as a Rap Star, where he lives a criptogay life with his lover and beloved partner, a famous marocan boxing star. It does not mean that homosexuallity is free in Morocco. No, in fact they put you in jail for being gay.... Except if you are a descendent of Fátima, the daughter of Muhamad....
Magnet Roller - A Simple Solution for Desert Sand and Magnetic Particles The Magnet Roller is a mechanical device that operates without external energy sources such as electricity or fuel. It is based on a simple, robust, and low-maintenance design, enabling anyone to extract magnetic particles, like iron dust, from sand or soil. This innovation could be groundbreaking, especially in desert regions or areas rich in magnetic minerals. Structure of the Magnet Roller Base Frame: The roller consists of an axle housed within a stable frame. The frame is either portable (for smaller models) or mounted on wheels (for covering larger areas). Magnetic Axle: Permanent magnets or electromagnets are embedded in the axle. These generate a strong magnetic field to attract magnetic particles from the sand. Rotational Mechanism: As the roller is pushed or pulled, the magnetic axle rotates automatically. This rotation ensures the collected particles are dislodged from the axle and deposited into a collection container. Collection System: A simple container beneath or behind the axle gathers the magnetic particles. The container can be emptied regularly for reuse or processing. Applications 1. Sand Purification: The Magnet Roller can extract iron and other magnetic particles from sand, leaving behind purified sand suitable for construction or other uses. 2. Resource Extraction: The extracted particles can be processed or sold as raw materials, offering a potential source of income for people in economically underdeveloped areas. 3. Environmental Protection: Removing iron and metal particles from the soil can improve the local ecosystem and potentially aid in reclaiming desert lands. Cleaned soil provides better conditions for agriculture and vegetation. 4. Mobility and Accessibility: The Magnet Roller is designed for easy transport. Its straightforward handling and durability make it ideal for use in remote regions with minimal infrastructure. Optimal Goal The long-term goal of the Magnet Roller is to provide people in desert and developing regions with an affordable technology to actively improve their surroundings while creating economic opportunities. With widespread use, the Magnet Roller could even contribute to reclaiming agricultural land lost to sand and barren soil. Construction Guidelines The Magnet Roller can be made from simple materials like steel, aluminum, and commercially available magnets. An ideal model should be easy to repair and adaptable to local conditions. Open Access The Magnet Roller technology will be open-source, allowing anyone to replicate or improve upon it. The aim is to spark a global movement promoting sustainability and economic independence.
An old Spanish saying: No tree, no water; no water, no tree ......... Forests naturally condense moisture in the air. Photosynthesis and evapotranspiration of plants allow them to cool down ... By lowering their temperature, trees can reach the dew point and condense the humidity in the air, in the morning very early and in the evening, at sunset... This condensation can amount to 3 mm of rain per day during hot weather... In French : Un vieux diction espagnol disait : Pas d'arbre, pas d'eau ; pas d'eau, pas d'arbre ......... Les forêts condensent naturellement l'humidité dans l'air. La photosynthèse et l'évapotranspiration des plantes leurs permet de se refroidir ... En baissant leur température, les arbres arrivent à atteindre le point de rosée et condenser l'humidité de l'air, le matin très tôt et le soir, au coucher du soleil ... Cette condensation peut aller à 3 mm de pluie par jour lors des fortes chaleurs ...
This method should be used where ever this is a substantial amount of fog to be captured. It is already being used in many parts of the Central and South America coast where fog regularly comes in every day. It's an ingenious way of capturing water and it doesn't affect ground water or require pumping water from underground. I think it can be one of many solutions to Spain's water crisis. On top of planting many millions of trees as well as other types of conservation. Including reducing the use of water in landscaping, planting less water intensive garden plants in residential areas and hotels. They could also plant trees and shrubs using the Goasis box (look it up on RUclips). There are many ways of reducing water use and harvesting water that doesn't affect river or ground water. We, as humans, just need to stop being so lazy.
@@b_uppy The Groasis water box should be used to plant the trees in as it saves water and gives the trees a continuous source of water. Also, no need for human intervention to water the trees.
@@soulshadoww55 You can do better with planting pits and mulch, waffle gardens, swales, bioswales, bunds, check dams etc. Additionally mulch adds to natural biological activity by supporting fungi. It can remain there without threat of strangling a tree as it grows larger. Additionally if pioneering trees are used they also add to other plants to ability establish...
@@b_uppy is there any reason you cant do both or even it all at the same time? The regenarative ideas are no secret it is known, but it takes quite alot of effort but i think we both can agree those efforts are well worth it in the long run. These nets imo are the seeds if water that kickstart the rest if the system. Consider that in most places these bets are most needed in dont have trees nor the conditions to support healthy growth. So to tackle the problems in the correct order is crucial. 1 water 2 water retention and as ypu states many great solutions to that 3 improvement of soil or even to add soil if it is completely lacking or introduce cover crops grasses to stabilize hillside 4 trees but this even in this system takes years to reach self sustaining so nets are great and needed for atleast 10-20 years before tree overage does the nets job, but depends on the local conditions of course. No matter what i dont like to see either or thinking. Sadly the economy of the system is what in the end decides what will be done, therefor nets will be done 100 times before regenarative system will be implemented. You probably allready seen/know about this cool water competition in India i link to 1 video but same dude has made a series so check them out ruclips.net/video/-8nqnOcoLqE/видео.html Here is the competition website www.paanifoundation.in/watercup/ It amazes me how much has been done in such incredible short timespan and how great things are when everyone helps/pitches in to do the work.
@@fridaybot Regenerative is different from permaculture, as the latter has ethics. Additionally the Groasis could later girdle a tree. The Groasis is limited in size whereas a planting pit, swale, etc are can be scaled much larger. Many sites can provide the necessary materials to make them, so you are avoiding extra costs, toting, shipping,, etc. The Groasis actually impairs healthy biological activity as well.
There is abundant pure water vapor over the ocean surface. This can be collected by similar methods deployed on floats or rafts. Wind or waves can power pumps to bring Seawater through old refrigerator coils to cool collectors for a boost in efficiency. Thus no desalination is required to produce tons of pure fresh water.
I know right lol i saw a documentary or video about this being done in south america years ago ill try and find it and link it here . i hate how people try and take credit for others inventions .
glad to see some of these guys putting up trees and green around their water veins. will help hold in some of the moisture and still allow some moisture to reach areas that are now being denied.
While people bicker about the why, if etc I love the 'little people' getting on with finding solutions. That guy is awesome and it will be fascinating to see these drought stricken places turn green again. Wow, superb. 💚
Catching water from fog is anything _but_ "revolutionary new technology." It was used for ages in areas such as Atacama and Namib deserts, and modern installation date to half a century ago. But nice to see it employed here, too.
Extracting water from one place and transferring it to another. How is this different from extracting water from creeks/rivers and transferring it to another place as is currently being done on the islands?
It's not. Plus the manufacture of the nets ads carbon to the atmosphere. At the root of our problem is overpopulation. We need to drastically reduce our population (preferably by reducing our reproduction rather than killing each other), or the planet will reduce it for us, possibly to extinction. I don't hold out a lot of hope. I suspect that we are not evolved enough to do it. I suspect that the majority of the population is incapable of understanding what the problems are, and that even those who are, do not have the self control it takes to reproduce only enough to simply replace themselves and no more, not to mention not reproducing less than enough to replace themselves. My life is nearly at its end, so I will not have to suffer through the worst of it. I left no children behind, so I will not have to worry about their futures and the futures of their offspring. I will therefore take my leave of life knowing that I did what I could, and that I left no one to suffer. Still, I feel great sorrow for all the people and animals which will have to experience it.
We have no idea how this is going to effect the natural cycle of the worlds water system .. clearly the desert is important in regulating this .. hopefully we won’t see this becoming destructive
Reforestation efforts should target the upwind side of an area that is at risk of desertification,. That usually means at a coastline, but mountains are a large factor too. The reason why is if you improve water cycle conditions there, more plant mass will come. The increased transpiration of plants there puts more water vapor in the air to be blown downwind where some of it will fall as preciptation or condense on cool surfaces uphill. Then the water flows back downhill, improving conditions for life all along the way. The trick is, once an area has been stripped of plant life, it begins eroding, in time, the remaining soil is no longer habitable for most plants. So, import what is needed for nitrogen fixing plants to reproduce, create small pockets of good soil, build a swale to keep water avalable to that pocket long enough that the plants can make it back around to viable seed, Keep the goats out of it and it will expand on it's own. Reforestation appears to me to be the ONLY solution to increases in weather extremes. And if we dont make it unnecessarily complicated, it is cheap to reforest. We just need to pay a relatively small percentage of the human population to either manage a plant nursery, distribute seedlings, or take care of the forests and teach many how to make a living without goats.
interesting fact, the canary islands were at one point known as the flemish islands, flanders did not colonise them as a state but many flemings chose to settle them, those that remained trough the centuries have offcourse been spanified when Spain took them
I think more trees and vegetation eventually will collect more moisture. I remember back where I grew as a kid there area of us were more trees, less population and more snow or rain comparable to the next valley where more populated, lesser trees and vegetation and less snowfall or rain.
It´s an amazing project. However, as it´s also stated in the comments, the project is not an original idea. Has been used for generations, with more rustic elements, in different territories. That includes the very Canary Islands, in places like El Hierro, that took the example of it´s own historical-legendary fog-tree, the Garoé. I agree it´s an underused system!
If you make collector as round matreshka tubes, expandable as tower, plus fabric shoube from steal and it is needed to cold generator from it is possible to have tank underground And pump so you can improve condensation and this system was invented 10 years ago, whatever it can help Portugal, Spain, Kazakhstan and other countries to be less dependent on underground water
at 4:00 they say, "stick with us as we dive into...." That is where the video actually starts.... 4 minutes into the runtime
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This is very exciting. I'm interested in knowing where all this type of system could be used? Could you potentially use it in a high desert? Shouldn't there being some moisture in the air?
It's not exciting. It's terrifying. Look closely at the video, and notice how the trees downwind of the collectors are anywhere from a lighter colour than the trees upwind to downright dead. These collectors are very efficient at taking all the water out of the air, leaving none for the plants downwind. This creates larger dry areas, resulting in larger, more intense wildfires, and larger desertification. These systems are not a solution. Rather, the create a much larger problem for someone else downwind. Our population is at the root of the global climate problem. We have pushed our numbers beyond what our planet can handle, and unless we learn to control our population (preferably through much reduced reproduction rather than killing each other), the planet will control our population for us, possibly to extinction. Sadly, I don't think we are evolved enough for most of our population to understand this, and/or to exercise the self-restraint which would be required for this to happen. My life is nearly over, and I left no offspring to experience the horrors which are coming. I have nothing but sorrow in my heart for those who are young, and those who are yet to come. They will have to suffer in horrendous ways which are hard for many of us to imagine.
Much of Spain's deforestation happened during the WW II when people hewn the forests to sell or heating (survival). Nobody thought about replanting in those days. Today, projects have replanted on mountain sloops and elsewhere with the help of Growasis, which roots plants with only 10% irrigation. A forest takes a man-age to grow, but reports of positive climate change, with rain and snow, are already coming in.
I am curious how removing additional water vapor from the atmosphere affects weather patterns. Yes, its good some people and or animals can get some water. In the long run, its going to have some effect.
Reforestation efforts should target the upwind side of an area that is at risk of desertification,. That usually means at a coastline, but mountains are a large factor too. The reason why is if you improve water cycle conditions there, more plant mass will come. The increased transpiration of plants there puts more water vapor in the air to be blown downwind where some of it will fall as preciptation or condense on cool surfaces uphill. Then the water flows back downhill, improving conditions for life all along the way. The trick is, once an area has been stripped of plant life, it begins eroding, in time, the remaining soil is no longer habitable for most plants. So, import what is needed for nitrogen fixing plants to reproduce, create small pockets of good soil, build a swale to keep water avalable to that pocket long enough that the plants can make it back around to viable seed, Keep the goats out of it and it will expand on it's own. Reforestation appears to me to be the ONLY solution to increases in weather extremes. And if we dont make it unnecessarily complicated, it is cheap to reforest. We just need to pay a relatively small percentage of the human population to either manage a plant nursery, distribute seedlings, or take care of the forests and teach many how to make a living without goats.
Canary Island pines and water The Canary Island pines play an important role in the water input on the Canary Islands. The passing clouds condense on the long needles and then rain down. This is like a light rain shower that can only be seen directly under the pine tree.
I think they need to check the facts. 1. What kind of weather situation is more suitable for such project? 2. What is the temperature condition should be to initiate such project? 3. What is the minimum humidity % has to be? There are lot of barriers. If you don't check those facts, you are going to partially and unknowingly damage any economical structure.
The video explains that the system has been copied from what the trees themselves do, so the answer is no. Once the trees are high and dense enough, they'll perform the process themselves.
They tell you that the answer is "no", but actually that is only for the trees the collectors service. The collectors are very efficient at removing water from the atmosphere, and that leaves a drought shadow downwind. Basically all they do is change where the areas of drought and desertification are. You can see the start of this in the video. If you look at the areas immediately downwind of the collectors, you'll see that the trees are a lighter colour, or yellowish, or sometimes even dead, when compared to the trees upwind or to the side of them. That's because they are not getting enough water. All this system does is take water from one place and put it in another. In a way, it's no different than taking water from streams and rivers and moving it to another place. In the long run, the streams and rivers will remain dry, and the areas behind the collectors will dry up too. Often times the solution is worse than the problem.
My question is why not use stainless steel mesh? It lasts forever even when wet and will not shed micro plastics or chemicals into the water. Yes it’s heavier, but I’d think the positive outweigh the negative.
I mean seriously I just did a two minute google search and found like a dozen companies that make fine woven stainless steel mesh and the equipment needed to mount it.
Instead of hanging a plastic net you could also plant a tree - it will collect the water which will exit down the mountain as a river - a much more ecological way of collecting water...
very true trees do this naturally unfortunately planting trees in desert with no water source will meean they will die, this method allows for a water source for planting trees then when the trees grow they will capture the water
@@LeafofLifeWorld But this method only functions in areas with mountainous temperate rainforests like some of the Canaries anyway? On the island of El Hierro for example there are no rivers and water sources and the ancient inhabitants got their drinking water from a holy "Raintree" which collected it out of the clouds. Therefore a tree is as efficient as a plastic net. Fuerteventura on the other is a desert because it has non mountains and thus the clouds aren't stopped on its slopes. It is a very specific setting needed which can't be copied in the central part of Spain for example.
An important idea for sure, and atmospheric water generators can condense water vapor into water wherever the humidity is above ~40%, the higher the easier. The most important and expensive component is a dehumidifier, and you can build your own - plans available online, or buy one?
This system should fill some small artificial lake or pond to improve drought resilience while profiting the whole ecosystem. Not that those ugly plastic container can't be handy but a decent reservoir can give you fish while maintaining the surrounding land humidity level and do pretty much the same job. Let say keep those container for human drinking water.
If you make 3 km to 6 km inflatable balls the moisture will go to the top of the ball and it will turn into snow and ice and make Lakes anywhere like the way that all lakes are made by glaciers that humidity went to the top of and turned into snow in the snow ended up making a lake because of it
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global warming is a hoax, stop spreading that nonsense
no, calling it climate change only confirms that your previous term was a LIE !!
It's a good process.... Hopefully more tech like what was shown can be invented for arid desert regions of Africa like the Sahara where clouds are rare or unseen....
you say the dams are drying up well yes, when Hitler was friends with Franco he told him build dams, and charge for the water, but they have dried up almost every river in Spain, contributing to global climate change.. this man does the job the government should do, but as long as the Nazi King is in power nothing will change
If it can be done without affecting the ecosystem balance adversely... right?
Where can we get this material. Do you know where we can buy? Please answer.
I like the idea of collecting water from fog. I think it should be a temporary solution, and should be used to water tree seedings, as trees do the best job of collecting water.
and someone else looses water.
What they are doing is much more efficient and clearly much easier to collect the water from the mesh than from leaves or pine needles.
Plus, with the mesh collectors they can direct the water to anywhere and used it for multiple things.
If you used just trees then you end up with large trees that you cannot really collect enough water from and those trees don't collect enough to feed themselves else they would already have populated the very place where they are doing the fog mining for water.
@@mjs28s One thing doesn't exclude the other. Use both and the 🎄 will replace ground water supply and pond's and lakes.
@@standingbear998 No, this is cloud water, they're far from depleted through this process. The clouds just pass over the islands and the rain would fall into the Atlantic ocean. The Canary Islands are dry because the clouds are carried North/West, not because there isn't enough evaporation from the ocean.
No-one else loses water. Do pay attention. These are islands in the middle of the ocean. There’s plenty more ocean between this and the continent for more water to evaporate from. This is in fact the beginning of restoration of the rainfall pattern that happened before recent deforestation.
This is an ingenious solution for regeneration of deforested or burnt-down areas. I hope the authorities, federal, state, and local, are applying the lessons in California. The Marin Headlands especially can be reafforested.
They are using it for farming my friend
Respect nature and protect nature.
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Are you at least 80% vegan then?
@@descorulez Are you eating products that can only be grown in tropical climates and are a cause of deforestation?
wow look at that, we can all make snarky comments.
We can have a discussion about this, i know much stuff about how we pollute. The "eating" argoment is full of waste and bad emissions.
@@descorulez stop
Nylon mesh used on South America last three years before failure due to photo oxidative degradation but today they last 20 years with no UV degradation with a product called Alterin PAM from the UK
I can't seem to find it
funny enough,..i was born in gran canaria,...and live in Chile,.....and its actually here in chile where the locals invented the idea,with the fog sails....
glad to see,they are implementing the Chilean idea in my land......congratulations.
You are right, fog harvesting ˋfirst´ in Chile………!
Did she say that these forests started disappearing about 20,000 years ago due to human impact on global climate change? If so, what impact did humans have 20,000 years ago on climate?
Yes more bull shit climate carp😂😂😂
I literally lol
None. In fact, desertification was caused by the change in the inclination of the earth, which caused the northern hemisphere to cool down. In fact that is the reason why the Sahara arose. The northern hemisphere received 7% more energy from the sun, which caused the air currents with water vapor from the Atlantic to go inland. As the temperature and therefore the amount of steam in the Atlantic air decreased, the currents reversed, taking the hot air from Africa towards the sea, causing progressive desertification. So no, it wasn't humanity that did it.
Climate change..
.even before we knew the phrase!!!
Yes. I wonder how long the forrest was there previously. Another intriguing thought...
The indigenous people in the Andes Mountains also use fog collectors and have been for some time (centuries), there are also different kinds of natural collectors made out of gardens in what is now Mexico and Guatemala.
It's good to perpetuate that knowledge on a mass scale. Rather than letting the satanists spread their lies of doom and gloom and eternal drought.
The effect of condensation is naturally happening in a forest. That’s allowing a forest to recycle water and create its own rainfall. We have to plant trees everywhere. The dry lands in Spain were covered with vegetation not to long ago
Condensation requires humid air, so this system cannot be applied to the whole of Spain. The air in the south-east of the Iberian peninsula is quite dry so this system would deliver a limited amount of water.
@@itisabird correct
@@itisabird though, increasing green cover can alter low level humidity (condensation can still occur at night - even in the Sahara(. Just like encroaching desertification it happens around the perimeters (land use and abuse absolutely matters)..
Big fan of trees, but I'm not sold on mass planting of trees. They tried something like that near me and most died. Better to start building in biodiversity and the trees will come naturally. You can even start cutting back young trees to give competitive advantage to a particular tree. Especially where there are many young trees in a small area, just pick a few keepers that are spread out and cut back the rest.
I really love seeing nature greening every season
Nature greening is nice. The grass in the lawns growing like weeds just means more work.
The Romans used to build "dry wells" in critical areas. At night, cool dark air sinks into the dry well, condensed on the stone sides, and dropped as water to the bottom. Given long enough, the well filled up. These were emergency water stores for military use.
(shrug) Don't know why that isn't still being done. This above ground moisture collection is basically the same thing.
Ancient way of collecting water. Been doing it in Chille for years. Good idea
I didn't knew this was already being used in the canaries, I always look here in my town to the mountain wich is covered regularly with fog, and think how much water could be extracted for agriculture.
DIY :D
This is old technology, I personally saw it working in the region of Coquimbo, Chile, 40 years ago, in the 1980s.
Fog water collection systems are also in use in Nazca, Peru
A simple dehumidifier, complete with a filter system, will provide safe water, so this technology should not be of any surprise.
Cool except it takes moisture out of the air that was going other places
I've seen this method before, of collecting the condensation through some type of "mesh material", usually near a
mountainous terrain, apparently used in Chile and other places, it should for sure start to be used in some parts of
Spain that are currently experiencing "drought" and bush-fires, as the lower rainfall makes it a higher risk for fires.
In the example shown in Gran Canaria, they have what can be called a complete water collection, with all the meshes
collecting the dew, and then it drips into the pipes or conduits, and are then collected in those 1000 liter tanks, it's a
brilliant idea, but the entire system would be costly, with the plumbing, tanks, electrical gauges, transport to collect
the tanks, plus any other costs. It is ideal for some situations that face drastic water shortages, while other places
a cheaper and easier way of "bringing water and moisture into the environment" can be installed.
In some places where they are trying to "regenerate" the forests and trees that once stood, but have been reduced
through "bad practices", water shortages, droughts, blights, funguses, diseases, wildfires, soil erosion, introduced
pests that ravage the natural landscape, the gradual "deforestation" that has occurred in many places, whether by
accident or by design, sometimes some people and some cultures seemingly and willingly destroy the environment
either for quick profits, or to make the surrounding lands "undesirable" for people to visit and stay there long-term,
they purposely deforest the environment, so that there are no natural resources, there are no places to visit, hang out,
go fishing, go hunting, go bush walking, not even any places to sit under a tree and get some shade, there's nothing
there that makes it interesting, that is their aim, it is an extremely small mind-set, that thinks by creating a barren
landscape, they themselves will then become more powerful, as all natural resources have been decimated, the only
resources that are left, are man-made resources, which those responsible for the "environmental cull" hope to be
snug as a bug in a rug, in a place that has shade, and they will proclaim themselves "the monopoly of resources"
Without an over-explanation about this type of water collection system, I personally think it is perfect, as they say in
the doco, the meshes, the "square nets" that collect the water, are effectively mimicking the trees themselves that
use a similar method, collecting the water through it's leaves or needles, after water droplets falling onto the ground,
which the trees use for watering. The "mesh nets" should be installed, by themselves everywhere that needs some
more water, moisture into the atmosphere, into the ground, and the water droplets then water the "planted trees and
seedlings", without all the other costs of the water collection, just the "meshes" with the new planted trees, which can
afterwards do the job of the meshes. The "ecosystems" of Mountains, and Forests are quite delicate, they are like a
"chain" of natural phenomenons, when one part of the cycle, when one link of the chain is broken, the whole ecosystem
breaks down, and then you start the "desertification" process, sometimes human intervention is needed to reverse this
process, just like human intervention, started the process. Everyone that lives in an area that is prone to droughts, or a
drying landscape, should be looking at "horizontal precipitation" - it will bring "vertical vegetation"
I think as long as the water is used for regenerative efforts like those seen here, then crack on. My biggest concern is that everyone jumps on these collection methods where and when they don't need to, or in geographic areas which would definitely benefit from it, but keep the water for themselves/profit. It's screwing over the future in the same way that pollution now is screwing over the climate future. If you suck up all the moisture from the air, you're messing with the hydrological cycle.
@@brymstoner I wondered about this last time I came across this concept of condensation as a way to collect moisture in air. There are some ancient aquaducts found in both South America and in Egypt that people used piles of stones to collect water that would trickle down the inside walls. I wonder theoretically how much water the atmosphere can hold and what level of extraction humans would have to do to really make a difference. Clearly, humans will cause negative impact when doing anything at a large enough scale. Maybe its not about finding one alternative to go all in on, but rather use various methods of water collection so as to not over extract from any single source and disrupt the vulnerable balance.
@@TheGrape1234 the key is regeneration. if it's not done in a regenerative way, which is what makes something truly sustainable, then all we're doing is taking resources. and the planet cannot support this long term.
most people look at, for example, lost tribes and think what a backward people; still living in mud huts or have simple ways, etc. simple though their ways may be, they certainly aren't motivated by capitalism and greed when it comes to their resources. the expression "it takes a village" exists for good reason. we'd all, society as a whole, do good to revisit and better understand and appreciate this expression right now more than ever.
it's not too late to get the balance back on track. when we all went into the first global lockdown, the planet could breathe again. short-lived though it was, we had a cracking few properly weathered seasons. briefly. then the roads and waterways began repopulating and the pollution began bellowing back into the skies. now it feels like we're putting out more pollution than before the pandemic. what followed and is still happening was a series of environmental catastrophes. floods, wildfires, droughts, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, glaciers receding and altogether disappearing faster than ever.
as outlandish as it sounds, we honestly might stand a better chance of moving to space (earth orbit), the moon and/or mars at this point. just to save the planet from dying.
@limbinniaq WHAT 100 Euros !? thats like a 1,000 gal tank ?
The problem with this system is that it takes water out of the air, and that water is then not available further downwind. That means that you are only moving the desertification downwind. Further, these systems are so efficient at removing water from air that the dry area downwind is much larger and mch dryer, leading to increased and more intense wildfires which burn much more quickly through much larger areas. Not exactly what California needs.
Take a look at the video again, and notice how the trees downwind from the collectors are a lighter colour of green, yellowish, or in some cases outright dead, as compared to the trees upwind and to the sides.
Really the only solution to climate change is to reduce and then maintain family sizes until our population is greatly reduced. Increasing our population will only lead to worsening problems of desertification and climate change.
I really hope this project works not just for the sake of the environment but also for the people
More forest means more rain, so it’s good for both the environment and people
You need some kind of environment for people to exist...
Some Native American elders view the desert as a garden. But most people see a barren wasteland and succumb to the heat without noticing plant life and places where water can be found beneath the surface of the soil.
There is an ecological place for deserts just as there is for every tipe of biome. But please let us not romantice desertification just because some people and species call it their home. The places mentioned were supposed to be forests.
This is a great idea👍🏼👏🏼 It should be started collecting water in even more countries
This seems like it would be so easy and cost effective to implement along the coasts in the USA. Agriculture is such a big consumer of water, and it’d make perfect sense for farmers to implement.
😂Do your Coastal Desert mountains get a lot of fog?
Oh, don't worry, your government plans to destroy the agriculture in any case, so I wouldn't bother with investment. Let the megacorporations take care of it when they finalize the land grab...
Yes as well as the central valley
@@michelec3741 Go for it. It will take 40 million units to provide 100 litters per person.
@@Oscarcat2212 Shes delusional and still thinks men should open the door for her. Let her live in disney land.
This is a well researched, well presented mini- documentary about a critically important topic. I am grateful for all of your information and work.
TY!
What happens to the areas down airflow stream that now have 18 million liters of water less a year to use in their ecosystem?
@@JimNichols Considering this area was affected by human behavior, restoring it to its' original ecosystem. That water was normally captured by tons of trees and kept on the island. And I don't know how much they are "taking" from anywhere else considering it's an island?
@@JimNichols that is actually very little water and most of it will end up right back in the air.
@@JimNicholswondered the same thing. Seems a brilliant use for reforestation, as here on the Gran Canary. However, if widely implemented say in CA & all western USA states consumed by wildfires, seems the rest of the nation (and🌎) may receive less natural rainfall bc🚫💧☁️☁️
People don't understand how important plants are to us all.
And soil with all its fungus and bacteria!
This technique is used in Nature by the Kalahary Scarabs to get drinking water. What you are doing is good, in Madeira and Azores Islands there are good laurel forests, but this is to little to what is really needed. And do not forget the fire hazard in those regions. To Spain and Portugal this is just a tiny drop. Whe need much more water.
A young girl in Africa adopted this method, and solved her families water probs....It proves that setting pipelines isn't the only way to supply hydro in difficult areas...
I hope this technology will be also made available to neighboring Morocco to benefit from it and where it is even more needed
There is a project in Morrocco called Aqualonis, which we covered in a previous video, It was the biggest fog collector system to date, but there is always room for expansion
doesnt look hard to reproduce. get a plastic liner. hang up etc.
This technology as a principle has been known to man for many hundred years. The first documented large scale modern fog collector dates back to 1969 - more than 50 years ago. So the reason it is not widespread is not the "newness" of the technology but the limited places on earth where it is possible to collect enough water reliably. Yes, you might collect 160 liters in one day under optimal conditions, but that does not help if this only occurs once every 10 years. Its the monthly average that really counts.
That said, fog collection is one of the better "re-invented" technologies for water harvesting. If you have the right location. It is cheap, and can produce usable quantities of water consistently. But most places with a lot of fog also have a lot of rain. And with enough rain, fog collection is pointless. But in the few places on earth with regular fog and little rain it is excellent. In other places dew condensation nets can also be beneficial, but with a much lower yield than fog.
@@JoppeOSL First you should convince absolute king Mohamed Vi. You can usually find him in Paris disguised as a Rap Star, where he lives a criptogay life with his lover and beloved partner, a famous marocan boxing star. It does not mean that homosexuallity is free in Morocco. No, in fact they put you in jail for being gay.... Except if you are a descendent of Fátima, the daughter of Muhamad....
Thank you for producing these videos it is great to find out what it happening in some of the most arid areas of the World.
Fascinating and practical new technology. 5 years from now, what a change will be there!
Planting trees makes more sense
@@lillyblack3322
Planting mangroves, protecting soil, encouraging diversity, etc works better than 99% of tech.
@@lillyblack3322 did you not watch the video? They are planting trees with the water from fog nets to help
The tech has been around for over fifty years lol
Magnet Roller - A Simple Solution for Desert Sand and Magnetic Particles
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Structure of the Magnet Roller
Base Frame:
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The frame is either portable (for smaller models) or mounted on wheels (for covering larger areas).
Magnetic Axle:
Permanent magnets or electromagnets are embedded in the axle.
These generate a strong magnetic field to attract magnetic particles from the sand.
Rotational Mechanism:
As the roller is pushed or pulled, the magnetic axle rotates automatically.
This rotation ensures the collected particles are dislodged from the axle and deposited into a collection container.
Collection System:
A simple container beneath or behind the axle gathers the magnetic particles.
The container can be emptied regularly for reuse or processing.
Applications
1. Sand Purification:
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2. Resource Extraction:
The extracted particles can be processed or sold as raw materials, offering a potential source of income for people in economically underdeveloped areas.
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Removing iron and metal particles from the soil can improve the local ecosystem and potentially aid in reclaiming desert lands. Cleaned soil provides better conditions for agriculture and vegetation.
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The Magnet Roller is designed for easy transport. Its straightforward handling and durability make it ideal for use in remote regions with minimal infrastructure.
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half way into the video "in this video, we'll show you how"
An excellent helpful video. Highly recommended. Thank you very much for sharing.
An old Spanish saying: No tree, no water; no water, no tree ......... Forests naturally condense moisture in the air. Photosynthesis and evapotranspiration of plants allow them to cool down ... By lowering their temperature, trees can reach the dew point and condense the humidity in the air, in the morning very early and in the evening, at sunset... This condensation can amount to 3 mm of rain per day during hot weather...
In French : Un vieux diction espagnol disait : Pas d'arbre, pas d'eau ; pas d'eau, pas d'arbre ......... Les forêts condensent naturellement l'humidité dans l'air. La photosynthèse et l'évapotranspiration des plantes leurs permet de se refroidir ... En baissant leur température, les arbres arrivent à atteindre le point de rosée et condenser l'humidité de l'air, le matin très tôt et le soir, au coucher du soleil ... Cette condensation peut aller à 3 mm de pluie par jour lors des fortes chaleurs ...
Thank you for sharing that! Its a good old saying! Is it regional? Or did everyone know about this?
@@LeafofLifeWorld I'd say its regional since I didn't knew about it, but its pretty cool
Treasure your work 🍀🦄🌾
following the Chilean example, well done! everyone who can should do so right now, we need all the water we can gather
Brilliant!
This method should be used where ever this is a substantial amount of fog to be captured. It is already being used in many parts of the Central and South America coast where fog regularly comes in every day. It's an ingenious way of capturing water and it doesn't affect ground water or require pumping water from underground. I think it can be one of many solutions to Spain's water crisis. On top of planting many millions of trees as well as other types of conservation. Including reducing the use of water in landscaping, planting less water intensive garden plants in residential areas and hotels. They could also plant trees and shrubs using the Goasis box (look it up on RUclips). There are many ways of reducing water use and harvesting water that doesn't affect river or ground water. We, as humans, just need to stop being so lazy.
Groasis is as problematic as any tech solution. A better solution would be to plant pioneer trees.
@@b_uppy The Groasis water box should be used to plant the trees in as it saves water and gives the trees a continuous source of water. Also, no need for human intervention to water the trees.
@@soulshadoww55
You can do better with planting pits and mulch, waffle gardens, swales, bioswales, bunds, check dams etc. Additionally mulch adds to natural biological activity by supporting fungi. It can remain there without threat of strangling a tree as it grows larger.
Additionally if pioneering trees are used they also add to other plants to ability establish...
@@b_uppy is there any reason you cant do both or even it all at the same time?
The regenarative ideas are no secret it is known, but it takes quite alot of effort but i think we both can agree those efforts are well worth it in the long run.
These nets imo are the seeds if water that kickstart the rest if the system.
Consider that in most places these bets are most needed in dont have trees nor the conditions to support healthy growth. So to tackle the problems in the correct order is crucial.
1 water
2 water retention and as ypu states many great solutions to that
3 improvement of soil or even to add soil if it is completely lacking or introduce cover crops grasses to stabilize hillside
4 trees but this even in this system takes years to reach self sustaining so nets are great and needed for atleast 10-20 years before tree overage does the nets job, but depends on the local conditions of course.
No matter what i dont like to see either or thinking. Sadly the economy of the system is what in the end decides what will be done, therefor nets will be done 100 times before regenarative system will be implemented.
You probably allready seen/know about this cool water competition in India i link to 1 video but same dude has made a series so check them out
ruclips.net/video/-8nqnOcoLqE/видео.html
Here is the competition website
www.paanifoundation.in/watercup/
It amazes me how much has been done in such incredible short timespan and how great things are when everyone helps/pitches in to do the work.
@@fridaybot
Regenerative is different from permaculture, as the latter has ethics.
Additionally the Groasis could later girdle a tree. The Groasis is limited in size whereas a planting pit, swale, etc are can be scaled much larger. Many sites can provide the necessary materials to make them, so you are avoiding extra costs, toting, shipping,, etc.
The Groasis actually impairs healthy biological activity as well.
Amazing stuff
There is abundant pure water vapor over the ocean surface. This can be collected by similar methods deployed on floats or rafts. Wind or waves can power pumps to bring Seawater through old refrigerator coils to cool collectors for a boost in efficiency.
Thus no desalination is required to produce tons of pure fresh water.
This should be a world wide project whether they have water shortages or not
We need water not desalination
love how everyone thinks this is new.
"One of the first recorded projects of fog collection was in 1969 . . ."
I know right lol i saw a documentary or video about this being done in south america years ago ill try and find it and link it here . i hate how people try and take credit for others inventions .
ruclips.net/video/h8rQ5aHAnuE/видео.html Found it
Such a simple yet absolutely brilliant idea!
glad to see some of these guys putting up trees and green around their water veins. will help hold in some of the moisture and still allow some moisture to reach areas that are now being denied.
If water collection is measured in hundreds of liters, this attests to the fragility of our ecosystems.
While people bicker about the why, if etc I love the 'little people' getting on with finding solutions. That guy is awesome and it will be fascinating to see these drought stricken places turn green again. Wow, superb. 💚
Catching water from fog is anything _but_ "revolutionary new technology." It was used for ages in areas such as Atacama and Namib deserts, and modern installation date to half a century ago. But nice to see it employed here, too.
Yes they did, what is new here is the design
@@LeafofLifeWorld Fair enough.
Extracting water from one place and transferring it to another. How is this different from extracting water from creeks/rivers and transferring it to another place as is currently being done on the islands?
It's not. Plus the manufacture of the nets ads carbon to the atmosphere.
At the root of our problem is overpopulation. We need to drastically reduce our population (preferably by reducing our reproduction rather than killing each other), or the planet will reduce it for us, possibly to extinction. I don't hold out a lot of hope. I suspect that we are not evolved enough to do it. I suspect that the majority of the population is incapable of understanding what the problems are, and that even those who are, do not have the self control it takes to reproduce only enough to simply replace themselves and no more, not to mention not reproducing less than enough to replace themselves. My life is nearly at its end, so I will not have to suffer through the worst of it. I left no children behind, so I will not have to worry about their futures and the futures of their offspring. I will therefore take my leave of life knowing that I did what I could, and that I left no one to suffer. Still, I feel great sorrow for all the people and animals which will have to experience it.
We have no idea how this is going to effect the natural cycle of the worlds water system .. clearly the desert is important in regulating this .. hopefully we won’t see this becoming destructive
That is the first thing that came to my mind.
Reforestation efforts should target the upwind side of an area that is at risk of desertification,. That usually means at a coastline, but mountains are a large factor too. The reason why is if you improve water cycle conditions there, more plant mass will come. The increased transpiration of plants there puts more water vapor in the air to be blown downwind where some of it will fall as preciptation or condense on cool surfaces uphill. Then the water flows back downhill, improving conditions for life all along the way.
The trick is, once an area has been stripped of plant life, it begins eroding, in time, the remaining soil is no longer habitable for most plants. So, import what is needed for nitrogen fixing plants to reproduce, create small pockets of good soil, build a swale to keep water avalable to that pocket long enough that the plants can make it back around to viable seed, Keep the goats out of it and it will expand on it's own.
Reforestation appears to me to be the ONLY solution to increases in weather extremes. And if we dont make it unnecessarily complicated, it is cheap to reforest. We just need to pay a relatively small percentage of the human population to either manage a plant nursery, distribute seedlings, or take care of the forests and teach many how to make a living without goats.
interesting fact, the canary islands were at one point known as the flemish islands, flanders did not colonise them as a state but many flemings chose to settle them, those that remained trough the centuries have offcourse been spanified when Spain took them
Beautiful! Thank you for sharing!
well done
I think more trees and vegetation eventually will collect more moisture. I remember back where I grew as a kid there area of us were more trees, less population and more snow or rain comparable to the next valley where more populated, lesser trees and vegetation and less snowfall or rain.
its probably true thats why they are using the water from the nets to help plant more trees, the goal is more trees then more moisture will come
When will this be mass produced and implemented?
When I send them the necessary funds!
It´s an amazing project. However, as it´s also stated in the comments, the project is not an original idea. Has been used for generations, with more rustic elements, in different territories. That includes the very Canary Islands, in places like El Hierro, that took the example of it´s own historical-legendary fog-tree, the Garoé. I agree it´s an underused system!
Thanks for your explanation and teaching
If we can harnessed water in the desert air, then growing trees n plants n farms r possible. Well Done Spain 👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏😊😊😊
I don't know why but I would love to live in the Sahara desert. is like it's calling me.
If you make collector as round matreshka tubes, expandable as tower, plus fabric shoube from steal and it is needed to cold generator from it is possible to have tank underground And pump so you can improve condensation and this system was invented 10 years ago, whatever it can help Portugal, Spain, Kazakhstan and other countries to be less dependent on underground water
Excellent. Thanks!
Inspiring video
at 4:00 they say, "stick with us as we dive into...."
That is where the video actually starts.... 4 minutes into the runtime
This is very exciting. I'm interested in knowing where all this type of system could be used? Could you potentially use it in a high desert? Shouldn't there being some moisture in the air?
*The plants behind the water harvesting nets:* 👁️👄👁️ _“Umm… where's my moisture…?”_
thank you ... what a wonderful report, wish I could be part of this exciting project!
A wonderful story. I hope everyone is having a great day. Sheila Mink in New Mexico
This is such exciting stuff! Excellent journalism and inspirational focus. Thank you!
It's not exciting. It's terrifying. Look closely at the video, and notice how the trees downwind of the collectors are anywhere from a lighter colour than the trees upwind to downright dead. These collectors are very efficient at taking all the water out of the air, leaving none for the plants downwind. This creates larger dry areas, resulting in larger, more intense wildfires, and larger desertification. These systems are not a solution. Rather, the create a much larger problem for someone else downwind.
Our population is at the root of the global climate problem. We have pushed our numbers beyond what our planet can handle, and unless we learn to control our population (preferably through much reduced reproduction rather than killing each other), the planet will control our population for us, possibly to extinction. Sadly, I don't think we are evolved enough for most of our population to understand this, and/or to exercise the self-restraint which would be required for this to happen. My life is nearly over, and I left no offspring to experience the horrors which are coming. I have nothing but sorrow in my heart for those who are young, and those who are yet to come. They will have to suffer in horrendous ways which are hard for many of us to imagine.
Thanks for your invention
I'm sure I saw that approach already 10-15 years ago being used in northern Africa, I believe...
Water fog is only possible if there is enough water to form fog in the first place...
Much of Spain's deforestation happened during the WW II when people hewn the forests to sell or heating (survival). Nobody thought about replanting in those days. Today, projects have replanted on mountain sloops and elsewhere with the help of Growasis, which roots plants with only 10% irrigation. A forest takes a man-age to grow, but reports of positive climate change, with rain and snow, are already coming in.
Similar setups are being installed on the mountains along the Peru and Chile coasts
Yes, I saw such a technology at work in the 1980s in the region of Coquimbo, Chile.
I am curious how removing additional water vapor from the atmosphere affects weather patterns. Yes, its good some people and or animals can get some water. In the long run, its going to have some effect.
Reforestation efforts should target the upwind side of an area that is at risk of desertification,. That usually means at a coastline, but mountains are a large factor too. The reason why is if you improve water cycle conditions there, more plant mass will come. The increased transpiration of plants there puts more water vapor in the air to be blown downwind where some of it will fall as preciptation or condense on cool surfaces uphill. Then the water flows back downhill, improving conditions for life all along the way.
The trick is, once an area has been stripped of plant life, it begins eroding, in time, the remaining soil is no longer habitable for most plants. So, import what is needed for nitrogen fixing plants to reproduce, create small pockets of good soil, build a swale to keep water avalable to that pocket long enough that the plants can make it back around to viable seed, Keep the goats out of it and it will expand on it's own.
Reforestation appears to me to be the ONLY solution to increases in weather extremes. And if we dont make it unnecessarily complicated, it is cheap to reforest. We just need to pay a relatively small percentage of the human population to either manage a plant nursery, distribute seedlings, or take care of the forests and teach many how to make a living without goats.
Where I live the Tall Trees drip water down, and soak the ground, whenever it gets foggy.
Thanks for posting
Canary Island pines and water
The Canary Island pines play an important role in the water input on the Canary Islands.
The passing clouds condense on the long needles and then rain down.
This is like a light rain shower that can only be seen directly under the pine tree.
I think they need to check the facts.
1. What kind of weather situation is more suitable for such project?
2. What is the temperature condition should be to initiate such project?
3. What is the minimum humidity % has to be?
There are lot of barriers. If you don't check those facts, you are going to partially and unknowingly damage any economical structure.
Wow.God speed to help one another for the world.
She gets to the point of the video at 4:50. You’re welcome.
Amazing idea
Interesting and rewarding to watch and yes the 20,000 years ago comment raised an eyebrow here too. 😊
On a much smaller scale this system is producing water for small Baja west coastal communities which have a steady supply of fog.
Brillant i say in places this is needed
Quick question. Once the new plants and trees have grown, do they still depend on the collectors to get water?
The video explains that the system has been copied from what the trees themselves do, so the answer is no. Once the trees are high and dense enough, they'll perform the process themselves.
They tell you that the answer is "no", but actually that is only for the trees the collectors service. The collectors are very efficient at removing water from the atmosphere, and that leaves a drought shadow downwind. Basically all they do is change where the areas of drought and desertification are. You can see the start of this in the video. If you look at the areas immediately downwind of the collectors, you'll see that the trees are a lighter colour, or yellowish, or sometimes even dead, when compared to the trees upwind or to the side of them. That's because they are not getting enough water. All this system does is take water from one place and put it in another. In a way, it's no different than taking water from streams and rivers and moving it to another place. In the long run, the streams and rivers will remain dry, and the areas behind the collectors will dry up too. Often times the solution is worse than the problem.
My question is why not use stainless steel mesh? It lasts forever even when wet and will not shed micro plastics or chemicals into the water. Yes it’s heavier, but I’d think the positive outweigh the negative.
I mean seriously I just did a two minute google search and found like a dozen companies that make fine woven stainless steel mesh and the equipment needed to mount it.
Instead of hanging a plastic net you could also plant a tree - it will collect the water which will exit down the mountain as a river - a much more ecological way of collecting water...
very true trees do this naturally unfortunately planting trees in desert with no water source will meean they will die, this method allows for a water source for planting trees then when the trees grow they will capture the water
@@LeafofLifeWorld But this method only functions in areas with mountainous temperate rainforests like some of the Canaries anyway? On the island of El Hierro for example there are no rivers and water sources and the ancient inhabitants got their drinking water from a holy "Raintree" which collected it out of the clouds. Therefore a tree is as efficient as a plastic net. Fuerteventura on the other is a desert because it has non mountains and thus the clouds aren't stopped on its slopes. It is a very specific setting needed which can't be copied in the central part of Spain for example.
Grate wen smart peoples finding solutions .I love and respect smart and creative peoples.They graters types of humans kind.
"Planting water" full cycle. It is exciting to take care of the soil and the land.
Great channel really enjoy your content
These fog collectors should be heavily funded and established in all suitable areas across the globe, there really usnt any negative aspect to it
Love the solution... but the inaccuracies are stunning.
So amazing
Very nice idea! ❤
Spain must scale this up on a large scale to regret deserts.a promised technology for the future.
An important idea for sure, and atmospheric water generators can condense water vapor into water wherever the humidity is above ~40%, the higher the easier. The most important and expensive component is a dehumidifier, and you can build your own - plans available online, or buy one?
Sae this for the first time in Africa. Was working well enough.
Using mesh to collect fog water is 30 years old invention of one Spanish Inventor!
If you already have clouds with water, you can just do artificial rain whenever you need water. Its probably way cheaper than this method
How??
This system should fill some small artificial lake or pond to improve drought resilience while profiting the whole ecosystem. Not that those ugly plastic container can't be handy but a decent reservoir can give you fish while maintaining the surrounding land humidity level and do pretty much the same job. Let say keep those container for human drinking water.
Ive thought of this before. Really cool.
Save nature
If you make 3 km to 6 km inflatable balls the moisture will go to the top of the ball and it will turn into snow and ice and make Lakes anywhere like the way that all lakes are made by glaciers that humidity went to the top of and turned into snow in the snow ended up making a lake because of it
How sustainable is this method, especially when implemented large scale? Does capturing water higher in the mountains decrease rainfall in lowlands?
Thanks for the fog net collection system
Thanks again