Okay so the f450 pickup is a purpose built towing monster, it is not the king of superduties, it is the king of pickup truck towing. The f350 drw has a higher payload when trims and configs are equal. The f450 pickup is essentially an f350 dually with the f450's axles, wheels and brakes. The front axle is much wider, allowing for much sharper turns, this is why it felt like it turned decent despite the wheelbase. The rear axle also only comes in a 4.30 because its a heavy duty axle and is designed for towing over 30,000lbs at all times. The wheels are physically larger than the f350 dually, they are commercial wheels and tires, run at very high pressures and are much more durable (and expensive). The brakes are also bigger since they are f450 brakes. The frame and body are identical to the 350 dually though, and so is the rear suspension. The extra towing prowess comes from the bigger wheels, brakes and stronger axles, that is it. This used to be called the f350 max for a reason, and personally I think that was better advertising. Most people (rightfully) believe the f450 pickup is an f450 cab/chassis with a bed, and they couldn't be farther from the truth. Edit: the 4.30 gears mean this thing will not get good highway fuel economy as its not designed to really be going ove 65mph (104kph). You would have to go about 50 to get this thing below 1500rpms on the highway and thats if it didn't shift into 9th or 8th gear. The 2500 and 3500srw with 3.31 and 3.55 rear ends are the ones you want if you want good towing but also good highway fuel eco. The reason this is designed this way is to that way even in the 10th gear, you still have good torque even when cruising because theres supposed to be a trailer behind you As for the trims, I would personally either stay in the XL trim for a work vehicle, keep the vinyl interior that will last for pretty much ever, get a regular cab, and for like 1000usd you get power windows and a key fob (yes without that package you don't even have remote lock/unlock capability) Otherwise if this is for play, or you're really making bank towing, then go all the way up to a KR or Plat or limited, but you're looking at over 100k usd. The other option most seem to forget (if you plan on towing as a full time profession) is chassis cabs with a tow rig on the back will make much better tow vehicles than a pickup ever could. Towing 30,000lbs on a 5th wheel, then 9,000lbs of payload would be pretty nice once you factor in 5th wheel hitch weight and whatever gear you're throwing in your upfit bed
Excellent point about the chassis cab options, those are definitely the way to go for someone using these trucks exclusively for towing and nothing else. Ends up coming down to what you plan on doing with your business. In my imaginary world I’m towing a large car transport trailer but I want the crew cab for passengers if I take on a job for a few car enthusiasts transporting their cars to a show and need a ride too.
@@PRNTestDrive oh one thing I forgot to mention is the suspension of the f450 pickup is the same as the f350 dually, but an f450 chassis cab is much much beefier. Anyways I totally agree, if I could id grab a ram 5500 limited tomorrow with a low profile utility box and a 5th wheel and I'd hotshot too. Although I have seen people get a Ram 3500 with a megacab and use the back as a bed, as ram offers the megacab in the dually configuration despite it only having a 6.4 foot bed.
I like that blue color Tremor you drove. I bet it’s ride would improve on pavement if you are towing. As for this vehicle, it is a powerful vehicle, would be nice if Ford included LEDs as standard on super duty.
@@PRNTestDrive Having just bought an F350 dually platinum, I can tell you that the extra cameras in the ultimate trailer tow package (optional in the King ranch) are well worth the money. Mine had msrp of about 100 and i got it for under 90. That is also an important thing to note. Shopping around is definitely worth it. Something else about buying these vehicles I learned is that (most) sales people don't know anything about payload capacity. I had several, when I asked for specifics for one on their lot, gave me numbers that they based on the shipping weight on their bill of lading- the sticker on the door jamb is the only real number for a truck. I also had a salesman tell me that I could substantially increase the payload of an F450 by changing the wheels "from 19 to 17" - he had an F450 and I wanted an F350 for the payload which is higher. - I left and didn't return to that dealer(biggest dealer in Ottawa). Keep having fun!
What are you talking about a XLT for $83k, they have all the same trim levels of the f250 trucks right up to a limited on the f350 & f450 Someone is getting taken at $83k for a basic truck, that’s king ranch money with some haggling.
@@PRNTestDrive yeah, I live in Ontario Canada I'm not stupid, i watched your full video. Just visit the ford website a king ranch $85k with zero options selected and the lariat is around $75k with zero options, so who's giving $83k for a basic xlt. you get the higher trim level and negotiate the price with something like carcost.
That’s not the MSRP, it’s likely got about $10-11k worth of discounts on that advertised price. Because incentives, discounts, promotions, and negotiation all fluctuate constantly the MSRP is the only number we go on. Clearly no one is walking out of the dealership paying full price for a pickup truck, these are all priced with heavy discounts in mind.
Don’t forget Fords won’t rust 🤣. RAMs and Chevys are not alol aluminum. Also remember RAM heavy duty lacks telescoping steering wheel. There is really no better truck that Ford
RAM 3500 Dually and RAM overall the better truck. The Chassis much stronger and the CUMMINS with AISIN by far the better choice as well as interior looks and functionality. FORD over priced over hyped trucks. Owned them all, and the RAM is the Better Rig....
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Okay so the f450 pickup is a purpose built towing monster, it is not the king of superduties, it is the king of pickup truck towing. The f350 drw has a higher payload when trims and configs are equal. The f450 pickup is essentially an f350 dually with the f450's axles, wheels and brakes. The front axle is much wider, allowing for much sharper turns, this is why it felt like it turned decent despite the wheelbase. The rear axle also only comes in a 4.30 because its a heavy duty axle and is designed for towing over 30,000lbs at all times. The wheels are physically larger than the f350 dually, they are commercial wheels and tires, run at very high pressures and are much more durable (and expensive). The brakes are also bigger since they are f450 brakes. The frame and body are identical to the 350 dually though, and so is the rear suspension. The extra towing prowess comes from the bigger wheels, brakes and stronger axles, that is it. This used to be called the f350 max for a reason, and personally I think that was better advertising. Most people (rightfully) believe the f450 pickup is an f450 cab/chassis with a bed, and they couldn't be farther from the truth. Edit: the 4.30 gears mean this thing will not get good highway fuel economy as its not designed to really be going ove 65mph (104kph). You would have to go about 50 to get this thing below 1500rpms on the highway and thats if it didn't shift into 9th or 8th gear. The 2500 and 3500srw with 3.31 and 3.55 rear ends are the ones you want if you want good towing but also good highway fuel eco. The reason this is designed this way is to that way even in the 10th gear, you still have good torque even when cruising because theres supposed to be a trailer behind you
As for the trims, I would personally either stay in the XL trim for a work vehicle, keep the vinyl interior that will last for pretty much ever, get a regular cab, and for like 1000usd you get power windows and a key fob (yes without that package you don't even have remote lock/unlock capability)
Otherwise if this is for play, or you're really making bank towing, then go all the way up to a KR or Plat or limited, but you're looking at over 100k usd.
The other option most seem to forget (if you plan on towing as a full time profession) is chassis cabs with a tow rig on the back will make much better tow vehicles than a pickup ever could. Towing 30,000lbs on a 5th wheel, then 9,000lbs of payload would be pretty nice once you factor in 5th wheel hitch weight and whatever gear you're throwing in your upfit bed
Excellent point about the chassis cab options, those are definitely the way to go for someone using these trucks exclusively for towing and nothing else. Ends up coming down to what you plan on doing with your business. In my imaginary world I’m towing a large car transport trailer but I want the crew cab for passengers if I take on a job for a few car enthusiasts transporting their cars to a show and need a ride too.
@@PRNTestDrive oh one thing I forgot to mention is the suspension of the f450 pickup is the same as the f350 dually, but an f450 chassis cab is much much beefier.
Anyways I totally agree, if I could id grab a ram 5500 limited tomorrow with a low profile utility box and a 5th wheel and I'd hotshot too. Although I have seen people get a Ram 3500 with a megacab and use the back as a bed, as ram offers the megacab in the dually configuration despite it only having a 6.4 foot bed.
Thank you for providing a payload number. A view of the drivers side door sticker would be nice in future reviews.
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Very good review !
Glad you think so!
I like that blue color Tremor you drove. I bet it’s ride would improve on pavement if you are towing. As for this vehicle, it is a powerful vehicle, would be nice if Ford included LEDs as standard on super duty.
I agree 100% on the headlights. It’s a safety issue now more than a styling preference.
So massive. Not a truck for city driving, probably not even suburban. Great for countryside....
This thing would be catastrophically bad to drive in Montreal 😂😂
It's more of a highway rig. But the wide track front axles actually give it a better turning radius than the f350 dually.
Lol in Europe we drive VW crafter with 177ps for the same purposes but i prefer f450 all the way if we had it here 😅
A truck like this would definitely stand out over there!
Can you tow with a crafter? About how much weight ?
Love it its a dream I'd buy it and tow a tent trailer behind it
It's a dream for me too!
Does Ford make a black cloth seat?
It really doesn't seem like it. I'm not sure why honestly.
This is not, by any stretch, a high end luxury truck. There are 4 trim levels above this. It is expensive, but MSRP can easily eclipse 100k.
Easily! I’d take mine in King Ranch form with everything else checked off the options list, hits $100k+ pretty quick.
@@PRNTestDrive Having just bought an F350 dually platinum, I can tell you that the extra cameras in the ultimate trailer tow package (optional in the King ranch) are well worth the money. Mine had msrp of about 100 and i got it for under 90. That is also an important thing to note. Shopping around is definitely worth it.
Something else about buying these vehicles I learned is that (most) sales people don't know anything about payload capacity. I had several, when I asked for specifics for one on their lot, gave me numbers that they based on the shipping weight on their bill of lading- the sticker on the door jamb is the only real number for a truck. I also had a salesman tell me that I could substantially increase the payload of an F450 by changing the wheels "from 19 to 17" - he had an F450 and I wanted an F350 for the payload which is higher. - I left and didn't return to that dealer(biggest dealer in Ottawa).
Keep having fun!
What are you talking about a XLT for $83k, they have all the same trim levels of the f250 trucks right up to a limited on the f350 & f450 Someone is getting taken at $83k for a basic truck, that’s king ranch money with some haggling.
These are Canadian prices, we said that in the video.
@@PRNTestDrive yeah, I live in Ontario Canada I'm not stupid, i watched your full video. Just visit the ford website a king ranch $85k with zero options selected and the lariat is around $75k with zero options, so who's giving $83k for a basic xlt. you get the higher trim level and negotiate the price with something like carcost.
That’s not the MSRP, it’s likely got about $10-11k worth of discounts on that advertised price. Because incentives, discounts, promotions, and negotiation all fluctuate constantly the MSRP is the only number we go on. Clearly no one is walking out of the dealership paying full price for a pickup truck, these are all priced with heavy discounts in mind.
Don’t forget Fords won’t rust 🤣. RAMs and Chevys are not alol aluminum. Also remember RAM heavy duty lacks telescoping steering wheel. There is really no better truck that Ford
I think the Ram 2500 I did last year had a telescoping steering wheel, I’d have to go back to see though. Now you’ve got me wondering.
Ford's "will" rust.. just the body is aluminum, but the frame, and everything under it is still steel..
RAM 3500 Dually and RAM overall the better truck. The Chassis much stronger and the CUMMINS with AISIN by far the better choice as well as interior looks and functionality. FORD over priced over hyped trucks. Owned them all, and the RAM is the Better Rig....
Yeah it will just deteriorate and fall apart like the fords down in florida aluminum dont like humid sea air