Thanks Olly, makes sense. No one has mentioned the “Slash & Burn” in ethanol producing countries causing de-forestation and Carbon cost of transportation to Europe. This is all to reduce carbon emissions in Europe, so just shifting the blame to the ethanol producing countries, superb logic! by someone.
If they didn't mention it, it's because it's untrue. Brazil's sugar crop is grown in a region of the country that's different than where the rain forest is. And there is no slash and burn in America, the world's biggest user of ethanol fuel.
@@pw601 Yes. The same argument is used by people for electric cars. The batteries, coal, oil produced electricity etc. They don't address the infrastructure around petrol and diesel, or the disadvantages of the otto cycle and variable loads when burning the fuel.
I’ve had no issues at all with E10 in my old cars: Peugeot 205, R4, Saab 9-5, Mk1 MX5 1.8… Thé latter two have even been running on 50/50 E10/E85 in winter and even 25/75 E10/E85 in summer here in France since I brought the NA back from the UK in 2017 - with no issues. Starting can be a little more difficult with the 25/75 mix in very cold weather. The ECU on the NA seems to cope very well with the mix. The Saab threw up a check engine light when I tried 100% E85 ( but didn’t feel any different) so I went back to max 50% and the warning light went out. The NA didn’t like 100% at all and was down on power so I didn’t try it again. On the summer and winter mixes it’s fine. I’ve done 28000 miles in the NA since 2017. I took the precaution of changing the fuel filters after roughly 1000 miles, and I avoid leaving my car with fuel in the tank for long periods. I’m on holiday for a month from Friday and will be leaving the car parked up with half a tank of regular fuel without ethanol. Yes there’s a small increase in fuel consumption, nothing more.But more than compensated by the fact that E85 is less than half the price of regular fuel here in France - about €0.70/litre compared with regular 95 or 98 (€1.60/litre). Nuff said really…. So the message to UK residents is don’t get your knickers in a twist over E10.
One of the best reaserched and easy to understand videos about E10 fuel and its effects, i will be recommending your video to my friends , who like me, have had concerns over using E10 in their older cars ( i have a mk1 mx5 with a turbo conversion ) . Many thanks again 😉👍
Ollie, I can attest to E10 here in the 'States. It can be hard starting after a long (weeks) sit. You can shop for 100% petroleum, though. We also had a "winter blend" that added MTBE(Methyl tertiary-butyl ether) as an oxygenate. If your car was running dirty emissions, add MTBE and it would pass the sniffer. Helps to have a mate that's an industrial chemist. Oh, and 93 octane (R+M/2) is about usd 3.80/gallon...
Great video Ollie, nicely presented and well structured. Very different to the regular content from you guys (which is also good). I like a lot. Let’s have more of these 👍
Great video, very on point and informed...... From the best part of 12 years experience in the motortrade in Australia, vehicles using E10, we regularly replace fuel pumps and injectors caused by damage/corrosion, its not unusual to see fuel tanks corroded through on the bottom. I had a Kia Rio with the whole bottom of the tank perforated and the rubber coating was the only thing holding it together.... As an average I would say we replace fuel pumps maybe 2 or 3 per month working on the basis of seeing 270 customers a month (average), that would be 1% of our customers that have fuel pump issues.... However in the UK the number was never that high.... Also as a side note, I can tell you what fuel someone is using the minute I open the tank to replace the filter, the e10 fuel causes any brass components to go black and rust will run out of the fuel pump when you remove it... All I can say is... E10 fuel is great.... for the motor trade... :) So agreed, it wont ruin your car, but fuel pumps/ filters and injectors will need replacement more often using it.
And all those who were using this for 20+ years, old cars, no problem are liars? Or are they just lucky? They tested some sorts of E10. Some had only 7% Ethanol in it. So this small amount more will do harm? Or are you talking about early GDI engines? Also some testers put rubber hoses in E5 and E10. Guess what? The ones in E5 looked worse after 12 month.
@@neindochoohh7955 The information ive given are facts that ive experienced over the last 13 years working in a country when e10 is common, who are all "those" using for 20 years with no problems, as I said in my post, this equates to 1% of my customers, which would indicate 99% have no problem. For the record my experience is based on 36 years in the motor trade and being a member of the Institute of mechanical engineers here in Australia.. Be interested to know what your experience is based on? As said before Ollie is on point with his information, and it wont destroy your engine, however my experience should now somehow be cast aside?? Give real world figures to back up your claims not just "all those" and please explain why I continue to replace fuel pumps and injectors at a much higher rate than I ever did in the UK, be interested to read your conclusions :)
When we first had to put 5% ethanol in gasoline at a refinery the Super grades way over 97 and more nearer 100 RON. This is a lot to give away when your producing over 300000 gal a day 😮 Great video BTW and we've been spared Garth's 'jokes' today 😛
Thank you Ollie. I only found out about this last night and checked the government web site to be informed that my beloved 2002 Audi Quattro A4 3 Ltr Sport was not to use E10. I also noticed warning notes on all the fuel pumps at our local Tesco filling station but also noted that there was no E5 available. So I was quite worried last night until I saw your video this morning.
Than kyou for this video. As I suspected, the main issue with E10 is possible increased level of water in the fuel tank if the car is left standing for a long period. A very detailed presentation of the truth including the USA Miata experience, and in particular it was good to see the analysis of the components in the fuel flow system. Great CPD for your future progession as an engineer!
E10 will damage some plastic components, is highly hygroscopic and will absorb water which has resulted in corrosion in fuel systems. In particular, it has had significant impacts on motorcycle tanks made of nylon which ethanol attacks being a highly aggressive solvent. Water in the fuel (if left more than several weeks in a part filled tank) then is absorbed into the nylon causing swelling. I have had one tank destroyed due to ethanol and now use only premium unleaded from my local Texaco station as that contains no ethanol despite being labelled as E5. Whilst in one of our cars, a honda i-vtec 1.8, E10 hasn’t affected fuel economy, in our Lexus 3.5 v6 it has quite markedly reduced mpg. Adding Ethanol grown from intensive farmed crops which aren’t exactly ticking many so called green credentials, which then accelerates corrosion on many fuel delivery systems, damaging plastic parts and resulting for many in reduced mpg, does NOTHING for co2 emissions in any measurable way if you are burning more fuel to do the same work. It increases the carbon footprint of the whole life costs of maintaining an engine so is arguably WORSE in the long run. The whole thing is a total nonsense and a more costly nonsense to the consumer both at the pumps and in long term maintenance. The joke here is that all the cars in the UK contribute to LESS than 1% of the uk’s total co2 emissions in the first place . For perspective, if one single cruise ship docks in Southampton for a weekend, running generators for that time with main engine at idle, it pumps out more pollution than if every car in Southampton ran their engines for a far more prolonged period of time. A single large container ship pumps out more pollution in one year than every single car in the UK combined. So why are we putting such unsustainably produced and processed Ethanol in our petrol? Because the U K is a nanny state run for minority views imposed by unelected beaurocrats from world trade and global population and climate change control ideologists using anything but scientific evidence to justify the actual impacts which in truth could be worse than what they purport to address!!! My background includes more than 30 years as a qualified engineer. This sort of thing really annoys me because of the speculative nature if the imposition and the lies peddled out as being somehow “greener for the planet”. E10 causes more problems than it solves. A little quantity, say 2%, might help cleaner burn but modern engines are already very advanced and clean burning and modern fuels equally advanced enough not to warrant any E10 as it reduces efficiency much over a few percent.
Thank you, that’s very well written. I drive a 2008 Toyota Prius Tspirit Hybrid and have noticed my vehicle performed awfully with E10. My 1.5L Atkinson Cycle Combustion Engine didn’t like the stuff at all. It was much noisier, took a lot longer to warm up, especially in colder weather and on colder mornings. In turn, the MPG suffered by getting over 10% less than usual - it was even worse, much worse in winter. This is a deal breaker in a Hybrid vehicle. At one point I thought my engine was faulty because it was always vibrating under the smallest load - something it never did before. It was even harder getting up to the speed you wanted - it was like my vehicle had difficulty accelerating as quickly as it did before. Getting to 60.0 mpg became very difficult even when hyper-miling. Eventually, it dawned on me E10 was the cause of my woes and early one morning, having emptied the tank appreciably, I filled it up with Esso E5 Supreme Unleaded 99+. The noisy vibrating stopped. The engine warmed up quickly, vital for economical operation of a hybrid. It responded quickly to acceleration commands via the throttle and stopped being ponderous. And my MPG shot up rather quite dramatically. My MPG climbed from 56 mpg to 64.5 mpg on the first 45 litre tankful - and I wasn’t even trying to drive conservatively. The 2nd tankful produced a stunning 69.4 mpg (my personal best record ever, the previous being 68.1 mpg before the introduction of E10) - and yes, I used my usual hypermiling techniques for that particular tankful. The anomalous engine vibrations also ceased, with the engine running smoothly and quietly like it used to before using E10. E10 might work just fine on some vehicles, but I can no longer trust it’s use in a specialist engined vehicle like my 14 year old Prius Hybrid. Ergo, I no longer put E10 in my tank. My long term opinion is that it’s a cynical rip off deployed to UK motorists. You’re now paying more for less fuel as it disappears much more quickly while NOT giving you the same calorific energy as E5. I also managed 653 miles out of a single tank of Esso E5 Supreme unleaded 99+ (also a personal record - previous one was 641 miles). On E10 I barely got 525 miles which was absolutely unacceptable where between 600 to 630 would have been the norm. I am sure I’m not alone experiencing awful engine performance with E10 fuel. Trouble is, some might notice the difference - many will not, simply because a lot of people don’t even check their MPG or miles per tankful. E10 is substandard fuel for the masses - a tax on poorer folk, making them pay more for a substandard fuel - and driving experience. This should have never been allowed in the UK.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I have a collection of classic cars and E5 has been an issue. I will avoid E10. After changing leaky fuel lines, it is not suitable for some of my cars which maybe only get fresh fuel a few times a year. It's super for me.
I've often argued that a purer product will not corrode to the same extent as a crude one. Increasing the concentration of ethanol compared to standard petroleum and all its elements is likely inconsequential in nature. Not to mention the addition of compounds which are designed to prevent corrosion of said fuel lines and components. which are likely still present in the same concentrations. The horror of E5 vs E10 really is a non-story!
I'm not sure you'd notice the drop in fuel economy. I get 42 MPG in my 1.5L 2017 ND. Losing 1-3% means that drops to 41MPG. That signal is going to get lost in the noise generated by driving style and traffic conditions. I still think the introduction of E10 is a greenwashing con but at least it's unlikely to actually do anything noteworthy to my cars until I replace them with EVs. Thanks Ollie, good video.
They want to get rid of older cars, they make £12bn every year from the VAT on new cars (average car value 25k). It's got nothing to do with the environment, they're just scaring us into buying new cars, just as they did in 2009. In the future nobody will own their own car, all will be on PCP/finance.
Well done young man. A natural communicator. All intelligently put into comforting perspective. I feel more at ease regarding my 2004 Daihatsu Hijet/Piaggio Porter. P.S. My vehicle is unlisted on government check list and I can't find e10 compatible listing anywhere; even Piaggio/Daihatsu Head Office - anyone knows?
Yes, that's the idea. People aren't buying electric cars, so what better way to incentivize people than introduce fuel that will ultimately destroy your engine.
ethanol can be oxidised into ethanoic acid which is what your body does after you have been drinking, the hangover is when incomplete oxidisation happens and the aldehyde ethanal is formed
The "government statement" is based on information from Mazda, and for the MX5, the "cleared" engines are NC and newer, not NB. However US market Miata owners handbooks back to at least 1994 state that the use of 10% ethanol fuel will NOT invalidate any warranty. Mazda UK claims that US market cars will be different due to different emissions requirements. I don't think there is any difference in the fuels systems of NA and NB MX5s and Miata.
There are different grades and qualities of plastic and rubber, which react differently to ethanol. Since it´s impossible to tell what you have in your vehicle, it is impossible to say if it is safe to use ethanol.
Oxygen by it's very nature is corrosive, ergo a higher 02 ratio a higher rate of corrosion although my only concern would be rubber feed pipes & pump/injector seals which won't prove an issue, providing that they're Nitrile....question is, are they all Nitrile?
Can we talk about ignition timing and tuning on a base model 1.6l engine? How much can we advance timing using premium pump gas? 93 octane? For the 90 thru 93 mx5's the base timing is 10 degrees btdc. Can we go to 12 or even 14 degrees btdc? Additionally is the air box on older mx5 cars, 90 to 93 can it be tuned?
The only part that's not been mentioned is the fuel filter. I think the Mann filter I got for my NB says "not for use with E10 petrol". I wonder if that's just precaution on their part?
I basically got around 20 basically basicallys although basically I thought I may of basically miscounted so basically saying give or take the amount of nasicallys I counted 😅🙃🙂 great informative video 👍
A lady I used to work here in Australia, with had an early MX5 and was told by Mazda that any produced in or after 2002 were compatible but they were not certain on earlier ones as they had not specified it to their suppliers. they suspect they still may be compatible. Not sure whether this was just the Aust market or not.
I was amazed when I saw products that would remove the "harmful" ethanol from your gasoline. That is very much "snake oil" in my book. Even though it works..why do it? All old Volvo red blocks will have no problems with ethanol. The old B18-B20 were made to be able to run on ethanol or mixtures of it. Safe ratio for non tuned, high compression engines are 50-50% E85 and gas. It will run cheaper, cleaner and more powerful.
Do u think that rust in sill is a in fact caused by electrolytic corrosion ,do u think it could be addressed fitting a false cathode to absorb electrons?
Good video . Can you explain why in my thirsty lexus is200 my mpg inner city has gone up with ease by about 5-7mpg ? I read mpg is reduced but with e10 but my feul gauge needle is moving much slower visibly . Im pretty happy about that just seems odd . Cheers 👍
Good video Ollie, I'm new to you, so does this apply to all other car makers and not just MX5 Mazda's? I've noticed the supermarket chains are all going E10 and Diesel at the pumps from September so basically your stuffed if you drive an older car and the only ones who may cater are the likes of Shell who will maybe keep E5 as the new V-Power range and charge a premium for it. Any thoughts or suggestions please?
Hi Mark, It would depend on how old the car is and what it is, I don't want to generalise on the whole but what I will say is that if your car was made in the 90's it would be highly probable that it will be absolutely fine. Many OEM's would outsource the same lines and hoses for similar companies, so the components are more than likely very similar. Hope that helps!
@@lightsuplightsdown3018 Thanks, yea my car's on an 06 plate and I'm hearing contradictory info that it'll damage components and others saying nothing will change. so still not much wiser.
What I wonder is, will the fuel map on my boosted Eunos (12 psi) need tweaking coming from 95RON to the E10 normal unleaded or will the extra stability negate that need and I'll just produce a tiny amount less power?
Hi Liam, You will be fine in terms of safety for your engine. Ethanol is actually more resistant to knock as its activation energy for detonation is much higher. Arguably, you could go to the tuners to run more advance on your timing to actually gain power with ethanol! Untouched though (if you didn't have the car remapped for more power, you will be perfectly fine, but that 10% ethanol will make 33% or so less power). If we do the percentage maths and assume a 33% loss in the ethanol content, it comes out to be 96.7% of the original power made. If at lets say 220hp, you are looking at having 213hp (as an example). Hope this helps! Ollie
@@lightsuplightsdown3018, thanks Ollie, I get ya now. So more compression of the ethanol is required to pre detonate basically but calorifically it yields less energy for a given volume then? Tweakkng the timing to produce more than my 250bhp would be nice as I'm only making 209lb/ft peak torque so have reasonable headroom with a 1.6L Eunos Roadster engine afaik 🤔
Excellent video, can I ask why they say it is an issue with older Gasoline Direct Injection, is that just a seal issue as discussed? so not really worth worrying about?
No, it's that early direct injection used a higher pressure fuel pump than the manufacturers regular parts, so was more unique at the time before GDI was commonplace, and many of them were quite fragile and prone to rupturing. Using ethanol blends is a bad idea as the seals in these fuel pumps are going to fail quicker and worse to the point where you could limp home on regular gas with a leaking pump that still ran at lower pressure, but--as was seen in California a lot--the pumps ruptured and sprayed fuel everywhere causing a road side fire. Many classic cars also caught fire for similar reasons and on hot days E10-E15 can boil in the carbs float chamber, so you'd breakdown and ruin the float.
I believe that other options are available in the US, at the E10 level. The octane rating is lower for the fuels across the board in the states, but that wont effect a standard engine MX5.
The corrosion rates difference in the data we looked at between E5 and E10 fuel in a pure and water saturated state is very minimal. Between E40 and E60 which both had 3.4% H20 Content, the annual corrosion rate difference was seen to be 5 micrometres, so fractions of a hair. Its a personal choice as that value might be significant to some but not others, but our opinion is that its so small that it warrants no concern. There is an argument that premium fuel is better for the engine in term of cleaning, but ethanol is technically actually a cleaning agent in its self as it will reduce carbon build up creation in the engine, so that benefit of premium in that regard is effectively nullified too. Hope that helps you choose! Ollie
i was told my car e10 ready it a vauxhill yet it blew head gasket as doing 70 down a46 busted head cylinder as it now cracked and all yellow goo came out the pipes so not happy with it
Seems abit conflicted here . You say E10 won't affect the rubber fuel lines. Then show use a website of replacement fuel lines that say E10 friendly... We'll which is it.. because if old ones won't be harmed by E10 they why say E10 friendly on the new ones. See things like this is why alot people say they can smell the bullshit
Ow there is a difference between running e5 and running e10 what and see how many seals in the fuel pumps houses and blocked injectors because of hose failing speak to mechanics from other country's there tell you about e10
this video is being ruined by the excessive use of the word basically. i`m finding myself paying more attention to how many times he`s using the word rather than the information he is trying to impart, basically.
First, stop using the word basically. It's filler. Great video though. But I have used both e10 and e5 fuel in my car, and I know the car runs better and more quietly on e5. And it's just a Panda.
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Thanks Olly, makes sense. No one has mentioned the “Slash & Burn” in ethanol producing countries causing de-forestation and Carbon cost of transportation to Europe. This is all to reduce carbon emissions in Europe, so just shifting the blame to the ethanol producing countries, superb logic! by someone.
If they didn't mention it, it's because it's untrue. Brazil's sugar crop is grown in a region of the country that's different than where the rain forest is. And there is no slash and burn in America, the world's biggest user of ethanol fuel.
@@pw601 Yes. The same argument is used by people for electric cars. The batteries, coal, oil produced electricity etc. They don't address the infrastructure around petrol and diesel, or the disadvantages of the otto cycle and variable loads when burning the fuel.
No one is mentioning it because it doesn't exist.
Hi Ollie its so good to listen to someone who knows their stuff and communicates it in such and easily understandable way..Thank you and well done!
I’ve had no issues at all with E10 in my old cars: Peugeot 205, R4, Saab 9-5, Mk1 MX5 1.8…
Thé latter two have even been running on 50/50 E10/E85 in winter and even 25/75 E10/E85 in summer here in France since I brought the NA back from the UK in 2017 - with no issues. Starting can be a little more difficult with the 25/75 mix in very cold weather. The ECU on the NA seems to cope very well with the mix. The Saab threw up a check engine light when I tried 100% E85 ( but didn’t feel any different) so I went back to max 50% and the warning light went out. The NA didn’t like 100% at all and was down on power so I didn’t try it again. On the summer and winter mixes it’s fine. I’ve done 28000 miles in the NA since 2017.
I took the precaution of changing the fuel filters after roughly 1000 miles, and I avoid leaving my car with fuel in the tank for long periods. I’m on holiday for a month from Friday and will be leaving the car parked up with half a tank of regular fuel without ethanol. Yes there’s a small increase in fuel consumption, nothing more.But more than compensated by the fact that E85 is less than half the price of regular fuel here in France - about €0.70/litre compared with regular 95 or 98 (€1.60/litre). Nuff said really….
So the message to UK residents is don’t get your knickers in a twist over E10.
One of the best reaserched and easy to understand videos about E10 fuel and its effects, i will be recommending your video to my friends , who like me, have had concerns over using E10 in their older cars ( i have a mk1 mx5 with a turbo conversion ) . Many thanks again 😉👍
Ollie, I can attest to E10 here in the 'States. It can be hard starting after a long (weeks) sit. You can shop for 100% petroleum, though. We also had a "winter blend" that added MTBE(Methyl tertiary-butyl ether) as an oxygenate. If your car was running dirty emissions, add MTBE and it would pass the sniffer. Helps to have a mate that's an industrial chemist. Oh, and 93 octane (R+M/2) is about usd 3.80/gallon...
Great video Ollie, nicely presented and well structured. Very different to the regular content from you guys (which is also good). I like a lot. Let’s have more of these 👍
Great video, very on point and informed...... From the best part of 12 years experience in the motortrade in Australia, vehicles using E10, we regularly replace fuel pumps and injectors caused by damage/corrosion, its not unusual to see fuel tanks corroded through on the bottom. I had a Kia Rio with the whole bottom of the tank perforated and the rubber coating was the only thing holding it together.... As an average I would say we replace fuel pumps maybe 2 or 3 per month working on the basis of seeing 270 customers a month (average), that would be 1% of our customers that have fuel pump issues.... However in the UK the number was never that high.... Also as a side note, I can tell you what fuel someone is using the minute I open the tank to replace the filter, the e10 fuel causes any brass components to go black and rust will run out of the fuel pump when you remove it... All I can say is... E10 fuel is great.... for the motor trade... :) So agreed, it wont ruin your car, but fuel pumps/ filters and injectors will need replacement more often using it.
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And all those who were using this for 20+ years, old cars, no problem are liars? Or are they just lucky? They tested some sorts of E10. Some had only 7% Ethanol in it. So this small amount more will do harm? Or are you talking about early GDI engines? Also some testers put rubber hoses in E5 and E10. Guess what? The ones in E5 looked worse after 12 month.
@@neindochoohh7955 The information ive given are facts that ive experienced over the last 13 years working in a country when e10 is common, who are all "those" using for 20 years with no problems, as I said in my post, this equates to 1% of my customers, which would indicate 99% have no problem.
For the record my experience is based on 36 years in the motor trade and being a member of the Institute of mechanical engineers here in Australia.. Be interested to know what your experience is based on?
As said before Ollie is on point with his information, and it wont destroy your engine, however my experience should now somehow be cast aside??
Give real world figures to back up your claims not just "all those" and please explain why I continue to replace fuel pumps and injectors at a much higher rate than I ever did in the UK, be interested to read your conclusions :)
@@Richard-Tanya I posted evidence and it got erased? wtf
Thank u for taking the time to put some positive messages out there,ur a gud man,the world needs more people like u 👍
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When we first had to put 5% ethanol in gasoline at a refinery the Super grades way over 97 and more nearer 100 RON. This is a lot to give away when your producing over 300000 gal a day
😮 Great video BTW and we've been spared Garth's 'jokes' today 😛
Thank you Ollie. I only found out about this last night and checked the government web site to be informed that my beloved 2002 Audi Quattro A4 3 Ltr Sport was not to use E10. I also noticed warning notes on all the fuel pumps at our local Tesco filling station but also noted that there was no E5 available. So I was quite worried last night until I saw your video this morning.
Than kyou for this video. As I suspected, the main issue with E10 is possible increased level of water in the fuel tank if the car is left standing for a long period. A very detailed presentation of the truth including the USA Miata experience, and in particular it was good to see the analysis of the components in the fuel flow system. Great CPD for your future progession as an engineer!
E10 will damage some plastic components, is highly hygroscopic and will absorb water which has resulted in corrosion in fuel systems. In particular, it has had significant impacts on motorcycle tanks made of nylon which ethanol attacks being a highly aggressive solvent. Water in the fuel (if left more than several weeks in a part filled tank) then is absorbed into the nylon causing swelling.
I have had one tank destroyed due to ethanol and now use only premium unleaded from my local Texaco station as that contains no ethanol despite being labelled as E5.
Whilst in one of our cars, a honda i-vtec 1.8, E10 hasn’t affected fuel economy, in our Lexus 3.5 v6 it has quite markedly reduced mpg.
Adding Ethanol grown from intensive farmed crops which aren’t exactly ticking many so called green credentials, which then accelerates corrosion on many fuel delivery systems, damaging plastic parts and resulting for many in reduced mpg, does NOTHING for co2 emissions in any measurable way if you are burning more fuel to do the same work. It increases the carbon footprint of the whole life costs of maintaining an engine so is arguably WORSE in the long run. The whole thing is a total nonsense and a more costly nonsense to the consumer both at the pumps and in long term maintenance.
The joke here is that all the cars in the UK contribute to LESS than 1% of the uk’s total co2 emissions in the first place .
For perspective, if one single cruise ship docks in Southampton for a weekend, running generators for that time with main engine at idle, it pumps out more pollution than if every car in Southampton ran their engines for a far more prolonged period of time. A single large container ship pumps out more pollution in one year than every single car in the UK combined.
So why are we putting such unsustainably produced and processed Ethanol in our petrol? Because the U K is a nanny state run for minority views imposed by unelected beaurocrats from world trade and global population and climate change control ideologists using anything but scientific evidence to justify the actual impacts which in truth could be worse than what they purport to address!!! My background includes more than 30 years as a qualified engineer. This sort of thing really annoys me because of the speculative nature if the imposition and the lies peddled out as being somehow “greener for the planet”. E10 causes more problems than it solves. A little quantity, say 2%, might help cleaner burn but modern engines are already very advanced and clean burning and modern fuels equally advanced enough not to warrant any E10 as it reduces efficiency much over a few percent.
Thank you, that’s very well written.
I drive a 2008 Toyota Prius Tspirit Hybrid and have noticed my vehicle performed awfully with E10. My 1.5L Atkinson Cycle Combustion Engine didn’t like the stuff at all. It was much noisier, took a lot longer to warm up, especially in colder weather and on colder mornings. In turn, the MPG suffered by getting over 10% less than usual - it was even worse, much worse in winter. This is a deal breaker in a Hybrid vehicle. At one point I thought my engine was faulty because it was always vibrating under the smallest load - something it never did before. It was even harder getting up to the speed you wanted - it was like my vehicle had difficulty accelerating as quickly as it did before. Getting to 60.0 mpg became very difficult even when hyper-miling.
Eventually, it dawned on me E10 was the cause of my woes and early one morning, having emptied the tank appreciably, I filled it up with Esso E5 Supreme Unleaded 99+. The noisy vibrating stopped. The engine warmed up quickly, vital for economical operation of a hybrid. It responded quickly to acceleration commands via the throttle and stopped being ponderous. And my MPG shot up rather quite dramatically.
My MPG climbed from 56 mpg to 64.5 mpg on the first 45 litre tankful - and I wasn’t even trying to drive conservatively.
The 2nd tankful produced a stunning 69.4 mpg (my personal best record ever, the previous being 68.1 mpg before the introduction of E10) - and yes, I used my usual hypermiling techniques for that particular tankful. The anomalous engine vibrations also ceased, with the engine running smoothly and quietly like it used to before using E10.
E10 might work just fine on some vehicles, but I can no longer trust it’s use in a specialist engined vehicle like my 14 year old Prius Hybrid.
Ergo, I no longer put E10 in my tank. My long term opinion is that it’s a cynical rip off deployed to UK motorists. You’re now paying more for less fuel as it disappears much more quickly while NOT giving you the same calorific energy as E5.
I also managed 653 miles out of a single tank of Esso E5 Supreme unleaded 99+ (also a personal record - previous one was 641 miles). On E10 I barely got 525 miles which was absolutely unacceptable where between 600 to 630 would have been the norm.
I am sure I’m not alone experiencing awful engine performance with E10 fuel. Trouble is, some might notice the difference - many will not, simply because a lot of people don’t even check their MPG or miles per tankful.
E10 is substandard fuel for the masses - a tax on poorer folk, making them pay more for a substandard fuel - and driving experience.
This should have never been allowed in the UK.
Thanks for that, just got my first mx5 and was a bit worried about E10, you've put my mind at rest, cheers.
Well done Ollie, great explanation, a lot of minds put at rest, keep up the good work.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I have a collection of classic cars and E5 has been an issue. I will avoid E10. After changing leaky fuel lines, it is not suitable for some of my cars which maybe only get fresh fuel a few times a year. It's super for me.
I remember all the similar doom and gloom predictions when the change from leaded to unleaded petrol happened.
Thanks Ollie, good & honest & detailed explanation, much appreciated. I expect there will be a lot of scare tactics going on
thank you ollie, great explanation
I've often argued that a purer product will not corrode to the same extent as a crude one. Increasing the concentration of ethanol compared to standard petroleum and all its elements is likely inconsequential in nature. Not to mention the addition of compounds which are designed to prevent corrosion of said fuel lines and components. which are likely still present in the same concentrations.
The horror of E5 vs E10 really is a non-story!
Brilliant no frills confirmation of E10 of its probable? Effects
I'm not sure you'd notice the drop in fuel economy. I get 42 MPG in my 1.5L 2017 ND. Losing 1-3% means that drops to 41MPG. That signal is going to get lost in the noise generated by driving style and traffic conditions. I still think the introduction of E10 is a greenwashing con but at least it's unlikely to actually do anything noteworthy to my cars until I replace them with EVs. Thanks Ollie, good video.
They want to get rid of older cars, they make £12bn every year from the VAT on new cars (average car value 25k). It's got nothing to do with the environment, they're just scaring us into buying new cars, just as they did in 2009. In the future nobody will own their own car, all will be on PCP/finance.
Great video. Good to get some clear knowledge and understanding. Keep them coming 👍🏽👍🏽
Very helpful video. At last some clarity after all the media tosh. Thank you Ollie....
Well done young man. A natural communicator. All intelligently put into comforting perspective. I feel more at ease regarding my 2004 Daihatsu Hijet/Piaggio Porter. P.S. My vehicle is unlisted on government check list and I can't find e10 compatible listing anywhere; even Piaggio/Daihatsu Head Office - anyone knows?
Good,, Now i understand this E5 > E10 change much better. this video should be on the government website ..
Cheers mate, just picked up a 2001 NB which has actually had work done with The MX5 Restorer, so wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing 😊
Been using e10 in a VW Golf and Mercedes for 3 weeks now and it's messed up the fuel gauge readings in both cars
Yes, that's the idea. People aren't buying electric cars, so what better way to incentivize people than introduce fuel that will ultimately destroy your engine.
ethanol can be oxidised into ethanoic acid which is what your body does after you have been drinking, the hangover is when incomplete oxidisation happens and the aldehyde ethanal is formed
The "government statement" is based on information from Mazda, and for the MX5, the "cleared" engines are NC and newer, not NB. However US market Miata owners handbooks back to at least 1994 state that the use of 10% ethanol fuel will NOT invalidate any warranty. Mazda UK claims that US market cars will be different due to different emissions requirements. I don't think there is any difference in the fuels systems of NA and NB MX5s and Miata.
Thank you !!
Although I think I will stick with my usual Super Unleaded E5 99 for our old 2002 Toyota RAV4
Basically an excellent video! 😊
There are different grades and qualities of plastic and rubber, which react differently to ethanol.
Since it´s impossible to tell what you have in your vehicle, it is impossible to say if it is safe to use ethanol.
Oxygen by it's very nature is corrosive, ergo a higher 02 ratio a higher rate of corrosion although my only concern would be rubber feed pipes & pump/injector seals which won't prove an issue, providing that they're Nitrile....question is, are they all Nitrile?
Thank you for this info. Put my mind at rest.
Basically, effectively...
Can we talk about ignition timing and tuning on a base model 1.6l engine? How much can we advance timing using premium pump gas? 93 octane? For the 90 thru 93 mx5's the base timing is 10 degrees btdc. Can we go to 12 or even 14 degrees btdc?
Additionally is the air box on older mx5 cars, 90 to 93 can it be tuned?
I always put super unleaded in my car anyway, I believe this won't be changing, my engine knocks with 94 RON
Excellent, thank you!
The only part that's not been mentioned is the fuel filter. I think the Mann filter I got for my NB says "not for use with E10 petrol". I wonder if that's just precaution on their part?
The rubber seal won't be Nitrile.
I basically got around 20 basically basicallys although basically I thought I may of basically miscounted so basically saying give or take the amount of nasicallys I counted 😅🙃🙂 great informative video 👍
Indeed, way undercounted. I got 36 basically although, I too may have undercounted basically! damn! lol.
A lady I used to work here in Australia, with had an early MX5 and was told by Mazda that any produced in or after 2002 were compatible but they were not certain on earlier ones as they had not specified it to their suppliers. they suspect they still may be compatible. Not sure whether this was just the Aust market or not.
Basically really good content Ollie well done!!
Have heard that Super unleaded is staying at E5
I was amazed when I saw products that would remove the "harmful" ethanol from your gasoline. That is very much "snake oil" in my book. Even though it works..why do it?
All old Volvo red blocks will have no problems with ethanol. The old B18-B20 were made to be able to run on ethanol or mixtures of it. Safe ratio for non tuned, high compression engines are 50-50% E85 and gas. It will run cheaper, cleaner and more powerful.
Do u think that rust in sill is a in fact caused by electrolytic corrosion ,do u think it could be addressed fitting a false cathode to absorb electrons?
If it was, it would be by tiny amounts, and certainly wouldn't be measurable. Moisture content is definitely 99.9% of the reason.
Good to know, thanks for the information 👍
Good video . Can you explain why in my thirsty lexus is200 my mpg inner city has gone up with ease by about 5-7mpg ? I read mpg is reduced but with e10 but my feul gauge needle is moving much slower visibly . Im pretty happy about that just seems odd . Cheers 👍
Great vid thanks bud
Great video bud!
Good video Ollie, I'm new to you, so does this apply to all other car makers and not just MX5 Mazda's?
I've noticed the supermarket chains are all going E10 and Diesel at the pumps from September so basically your stuffed if you drive an older car and the only ones who may cater are the likes of Shell who will maybe keep E5 as the new V-Power range and charge a premium for it.
Any thoughts or suggestions please?
Hi Mark,
It would depend on how old the car is and what it is, I don't want to generalise on the whole but what I will say is that if your car was made in the 90's it would be highly probable that it will be absolutely fine. Many OEM's would outsource the same lines and hoses for similar companies, so the components are more than likely very similar. Hope that helps!
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Thanks, yea my car's on an 06 plate and I'm hearing contradictory info that it'll damage components and others saying nothing will change. so still not much wiser.
Thanks for the video
Great Video 👍
What I wonder is, will the fuel map on my boosted Eunos (12 psi) need tweaking coming from 95RON to the E10 normal unleaded or will the extra stability negate that need and I'll just produce a tiny amount less power?
Hi Liam,
You will be fine in terms of safety for your engine. Ethanol is actually more resistant to knock as its activation energy for detonation is much higher. Arguably, you could go to the tuners to run more advance on your timing to actually gain power with ethanol! Untouched though (if you didn't have the car remapped for more power, you will be perfectly fine, but that 10% ethanol will make 33% or so less power). If we do the percentage maths and assume a 33% loss in the ethanol content, it comes out to be 96.7% of the original power made. If at lets say 220hp, you are looking at having 213hp (as an example). Hope this helps!
Ollie
@@lightsuplightsdown3018, thanks Ollie, I get ya now. So more compression of the ethanol is required to pre detonate basically but calorifically it yields less energy for a given volume then? Tweakkng the timing to produce more than my 250bhp would be nice as I'm only making 209lb/ft peak torque so have reasonable headroom with a 1.6L Eunos Roadster engine afaik 🤔
Thank you. V helpful
Nice vid... Many thanks x
Excellent video, can I ask why they say it is an issue with older Gasoline Direct Injection, is that just a seal issue as discussed? so not really worth worrying about?
No, it's that early direct injection used a higher pressure fuel pump than the manufacturers regular parts, so was more unique at the time before GDI was commonplace, and many of them were quite fragile and prone to rupturing. Using ethanol blends is a bad idea as the seals in these fuel pumps are going to fail quicker and worse to the point where you could limp home on regular gas with a leaking pump that still ran at lower pressure, but--as was seen in California a lot--the pumps ruptured and sprayed fuel everywhere causing a road side fire. Many classic cars also caught fire for similar reasons and on hot days E10-E15 can boil in the carbs float chamber, so you'd breakdown and ruin the float.
So basically my MX5 NC fuel system is screwed since I live in the United States where we have E85 .
I believe that other options are available in the US, at the E10 level. The octane rating is lower for the fuels across the board in the states, but that wont effect a standard engine MX5.
Great video well done 👌🙏👊
I've noticed Sainsbury's are all E10
Is it a good idea to buy the better quality (dearer) petrol to help avoid this problem?
Absolutely, which is why I only ever fill up on Shell V-Power.
The corrosion rates difference in the data we looked at between E5 and E10 fuel in a pure and water saturated state is very minimal. Between E40 and E60 which both had 3.4% H20 Content, the annual corrosion rate difference was seen to be 5 micrometres, so fractions of a hair. Its a personal choice as that value might be significant to some but not others, but our opinion is that its so small that it warrants no concern.
There is an argument that premium fuel is better for the engine in term of cleaning, but ethanol is technically actually a cleaning agent in its self as it will reduce carbon build up creation in the engine, so that benefit of premium in that regard is effectively nullified too. Hope that helps you choose!
Ollie
i was told my car e10 ready it a vauxhill yet it blew head gasket as doing 70 down a46 busted head cylinder as it now cracked and all yellow goo came out the pipes so not happy with it
Seems abit conflicted here . You say E10 won't affect the rubber fuel lines. Then show use a website of replacement fuel lines that say E10 friendly... We'll which is it.. because if old ones won't be harmed by E10 they why say E10 friendly on the new ones. See things like this is why alot people say they can smell the bullshit
I’ve got a Morris minor , give me good old polluting leaded
4 star any day.
some just never learn
very good
as a mechanic how much was you paid to say all this ??
I don't fully agree with you on this, there is evidence from the states of some carb issues on cars of 12 years old, also fuel lines.
Yes, 100%
Basically it's absolutely fine 😁😁☺️
Basically
Ow there is a difference between running e5 and running e10 what and see how many seals in the fuel pumps houses and blocked injectors because of hose failing speak to mechanics from other country's there tell you about e10
But long winded intro......but good 1st effort.
Will it wreck my little Toyota 1 litre engine
Ethanol also creates it's own environmental damage.
so with this e10 thing can i run my car on whiskey
this video is being ruined by the excessive use of the word basically.
i`m finding myself paying more attention to how many times he`s using the word rather than the information he is trying to impart, basically.
First, stop using the word basically. It's filler. Great video though. But I have used both e10 and e5 fuel in my car, and I know the car runs better and more quietly on e5. And it's just a Panda.
Its hard to believe the car industry after they lied about diesel lol.
E10 cause's engine knock. That's bad news for the classic car. This fuel is a load of rubbish. It's a water trap and a destroyer.... Full stop
Just put aspen in it
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E10 is fine there are no issues