We Flew in the World's WEIRDEST Business Class | Air New Zealand
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Today we'll fly in one of the weirdest business class seats we have ever seen as we head to beautiful Bora Bora! And along the way we'll be unveiling our new flight rating system which we'll use to rank this flight in ten different categories out of a possible 100 total points. So join us on this very unique adventure as we fly to the tropical paradise of Bora Bora!
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0:00-Intro
1:02-Lounges
4:16-Flight One
7:49-Bathroom Tour
10:24-Flight Two
11:58-Final Ratings
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This didn't feel like a daily drop video. This is classic Kara and Nate!
Daily Drop is all about using miles & points to get business class flights! We wanted to provide our viewers with a review of these business class seats so that they can decide for themselves if they would use their points to book this flight ✈️ We hope you enjoyed this video 🤗
Loved the run to the plane, we just had our first experience in a airport lounge and did it in style we had to run and almost missed our flight! Which would have been sad because we had tickets to the World Series
Yes, it did! And that's why we're actually watching it!😅
I took this comment as “this is classic Kara and Nate,” which means double content😍❤️❤️
you are so right!! I know it's a daily drop video, but I loved it for the old school kara and nate feel!! I know their channel has grown a lot from when I first started watching around 400k subscribers, so style has changed to keep up with trends and appealing to broader audiences, but I love when we get videos like this!!!
When you live in NZ you recognise there are two levels of business class… short haul and long haul… you should rate the experiences separately.
they are a dumb couple
Exactly plus business class is not First class…
Bull shit ,the seats are fkd the way they face with feet poking out on aisles. 2 levels pfffff just rubbish.
@rickandersonnz Exactly air nz bussiness is just crap ,47 years flying with them even many times to london we have given up .
I am from New Zealand and their business is not to good for short but long haul flights are nice ok
Kara in the Singapore lounge saying "I'm gonna get another latte" but coming back with wine made me laugh 🤣
🤭🤭🤭
My thought is to categorize flights by class before rating them. Obviously Emirates first class is going to trounce any premium economy flight, so grouping by class makes it a more reasonable playing field.
Great feedback! Thank you 👍
Agreed. Business vs first class is apples to oranges
feel like it should be not only class, but airline ‘quality’
Like, first class emirates is nothing compared to southwest, but Emirates touts itself as luxury while Southwest doesn’t
then flight duration
I would say only lounges you get access to with the business class ticket should be included for the rating. Keeps it consistent to what anyone would have access to with the same ticket, regardless of their cards or status.
I did this business class trip from Vancouver to Auckland - it was like a fun sleep over with strangers. We all became friendly. And the food was great - best ice cream in the air ever!
Sounds horrible, hahaha
Still watching this video, and excited for the rating system to debut. 😊 But if it were me, I would say it’s totally unfair to factor in first class experiences when rating! Like 1-10 ratings for business class should just be how good a business class experience should be! For example, I wouldn’t dock Air New Zealand a point in check in for not being as good as a check in for first class. Just my thoughts. ❤️❤️
Totally agree that First Class (never experienced it, probably never will) and Business Class with lie-flat bed (most magical experience I’ve ever had flying) are not equivalent. They should be separate categories.
I feel like this was filmed after one of the extreme adventures. Kara seems incredibly grateful for everything like she was recently roughing it 😂
Air New Zealand is my favorite airline! Their food, the service, in economy is a 100 times better than any airline I have been on
economy yes but business no privacy feels so bad
I have flown with them a couple of times but didn't think it was anything special!
I like the way Jeb Brooks does his flight ratings where he rates the individual components “as-is” and doesn’t really use comparisons to competitors as a factor. This seems like the fairest way to assess an airline’s offering as a whole product. That said I think it would be super cool if you came up with rankings across airlines within each category. So that way it would be easier to see where airlines excel and fall short in a way that is not fully captured by one aggregate score.
Whenever there is a video from Kara and Nate or daily drop it is a good day
Haha we agree! Thanks for watching 🎉
Bonus Kara and Nate for the win !!!!!!!
Indeed❤🎉🎉
I was just fixing to post this same thing!! And on a Tuesday too!!
Agree ❤
Terrific and classic Kara and Nate video. I think the scoring was spot on and consistent with my experiences with ANZ business class. The only criticism I have was the frequent comparison to previous first class experiences on other airlines. Not apples to apples and perhaps unfair to ANZ.
I love Kara's childlike excitement at the airport even though she's been on a million flights. That's how I feel, too! If she sees this, wondering where she got her green outfit, it looks so comfy
I was thinking the same, my wife would love that!
shows either her immaturity or playing up for the camera for views
Kara! Im from New Zealand and my family makes Kawa Kawa balm from scratch. It’s the best thing ever to use for anything, lip balm, ointment, eye brow gel! So glad you got to try some 🥰
This made us giggle as it is our national carrier in New Zealand 😅 and we always saw it as a strange way for seating. Air New Zealand has just announced that they will be changing the seating layout in business class next year. I hope Kara and Nate can come back and give them another go. We mostly fly domestically with them and their staff and service is wonderful can't wait to fly internationally in 2025 with Air New Zealand ❤ to the USA
They aren’t flying business class seats. They have these for short haul and call them business class but the business class seat configuration is different depending on the plane you get on.
@@moiramcfarland539Yes they are. ANZ has only one type of Business Class seat. No long or short haul.
Kara is so humble you literally DESERVE and have gotten to a point where you can rate first class seats honestly because we know you
Oh you flibbertigibbet.
humble????? hahaha she is such a drama queen for the camera
Air NZ staff are the best, so friendly and they really go above and beyond for their passengers.
I do love your classic content! I know you had to do something to survive COVID, and I'm glad you're still here! You are obviously happier and more engaged doing international travel, and I love to see it!! Looking forward to all your future far travels!!
As a frequent flyer with Air New Zealand and a business class frequented passenger, long haul flights are great, great menu options with drinks to match, plus cheese and crackers if you fancy a sticky wine or port after dinner
Would recommend changing the rating system based on short and long-haul flights. Also recommend defining what you are calling first and business class because they differ between a North American first and business class compared to the rest of the world. Also, might recommend splitting the rating system between luxury airlines such as Singapore, emirates, and Etihad versus say Lufthansa, Air New Zealand and other star alliance or oneworld partners. Overall, great video and look forward to seeing more reviews with whatever rating system you continue to implement and use.
I think it should be defined by cost. What they call it is just branding.
I live vicariously through you two. Thank you for showing me things that I'd otherwise never get to see. And for being so kind and appreciative every where you go ❤
Thanks for the support & for following along 🤗
Thanks for the heads up on all the things Kara and Nate and Daily Drop. Always a great day to see you both in a new video. We fly Air New Zealand in January for the first time and the info is helpful. Big Canadian love ❤
New Zealand is an amazing country, and the airline is great too. I fly with them every time i fly
We had the opportunity to fly Air New Zealand business class from the US to Australia and return on United business class. While the ANZ seat configuration has some initial awkwardness during boarding, the design for long haul flights is far superior to many other business class offerings - United included. The bed itself is exceptionally comfortable and you do not have a footwell to restrict you. The service and food are also far better than what we experienced with United. For any US to Oceania flights, we would always choose the ANZ option, even if it required a layover vs a nonstop option. Not to mention the value of redeeming miles via ANA!
Thanks for sharing 👍 All great points that you made! Appreciate the comment!
@@DailyDropfly economy on air new Zealand, they have a 3 seat option!!!
I flew Air NZ business class a few years ago and loved it. The staff were superb, my seat was great (in the same configuration) , and the food was really good. I agree with comments about considering ratings for business class in their own category. : )
Nice treat to have 2 lots of K&N this week! 😊 I think you maybe need to divide your scoring system into economy, business and first. Like you said, you can’t really compare that business class flight to some of those awesome first class. Compare like for like I say 😎
That is a great idea! Thanks for the feedback! Hard to compare apples to oranges.
And maybe also into domestic vs international, because those services are vastly different
I watched this Daily Drop because Kara and Nate where there! Regarding ranking systems: It might be a good exercise to create a set of guidelines for each ranking grouping. i.e., What would ruin a flight in each category for a 1 or 2 rating? What amenities, features and courtesies would constitute a 9 or 10? What would you expect in an average flight experience for a 4-6? Is a single event like (delay, security shutdown, airplane evacuation - all have happened to me!) going to influence the ratings? Then, come up with a quick primer that could be used for every future comparison to set the stage for the newest experience.
They are in all of them. It's their business. They own the website.
Y’all are awesome!! Something y’all could do for bigger categories is break them into subcategories and rate them like a decision matrix. Where you rank them like normal, but subcategories are weighted based on their importance, and then all the subcategories values are added together, which becomes your full category value. It’s a take on a decision matrix but there are some good visuals out there haha. Thanks for the great content as always!!
Great video. You both would know with your extensive travel experience. Bora Bora looks amazing, can't wait for the next vlog!
It's just me, loving your videos, loving you guys and living vicariously through you.
Your points system is good, and like you said your emirates experience is totally different from this one. Instead of them competing against each other, and having to dock points from Air New Zealand, maybe you could create categories that route/lines compete with each other. For example, Long Haul, Short Haul, Domestic.
Kara is so humble.... nah you guys deserve it i have been watching for a while now and the way yee started cracks me up every time.
Those are great bits to get in the amenity kit! Those ingredients have been used in traditional maori medicine for generations. Personal fave is kawakawa, it's an antibiotic, antiseptic, great for overall health and healing (I have it in my tea daily) ❤
Coffee at the Air NZ lounge is awesome, and with the Air NZ app it remembers your preferences and allows you to order from the app the moment you enter the lounge and tells you when the order is ready to collect.
It feels illegal to be this early. Love travel days with yall, it's so fun that you guys live a different life. I literally learnt how to live your life for free after Daily Drop lol.
So glad that Daily Drop has been a useful resource! Glad you enjoyed 🤗
Not trying the hash browns in the Air NZ lounge was a crime, they are so good!
One thing I love when watching airplane reviews is reading the menus! I love seeing the variety they have to offer on their regular menu and anytime menus. It’d be amazing if you could incorporate a small pan over over the menus each flight has to offer since that’s mainly what I’m looking for when flying :)
Love the rating system, loved the classic Kara and Nate running through an airport. But can I say Nate quacking with a kid at the end was just awesome and so wholesome!
Do a few super long videos comparing every airline's economy, business and first classes (maybe not every single one for economy since you traveled on a million flights through the early years) - but use old footage and rate them in commentary - would be so fun to watch clips of past videos and see how the experiences all compare!
Some high-level recommendations on your scoring system:
1) Expand "check-in" to "Itinerary Performance" and expand the scope from just check-in, to boarding, potential delays, flight route deviations, changing of gates, lost luggage, landing @ different terminal than planned (sucks if you have a connecting flight) etc., (really any non-conformities that might occur and affect the schedule). At least that is how we (consultants) usually "score" operational efficiency when analyzing clients efficiency levels if they are a service provider, such as: cruise lines, airlines, railway companies etc.
2) Ref. to your point, Nate, on how to compare the different flights in order to create a benchmark. You could separate the score on the flights into categories based on time: under 3hrs (short flight), under 8 hours (mid distance flight), over 8 hours (long distance flight). Then if you want to get even more detailed, you could do international/domestic flights within each of the three categories - which would give you 6 categories in total (that might be a bit much for the purpose of the scoring system though:) ).
I'm from New Zealand and have been watching you guys for a while now. Hope you enjoyed our beautiful country xx
We flew ANZ from LAX to AKL in business class 5 years ago and it was fantastic, nothing like your seat set-up.
I watched a video of yours quite a while ago where you suggested giving the flight crew a box of chocolates and I thought that was such a beautiful idea! So this year when I was traveling from Colombia to the US I gave the same Ferraro Rocher chocolates to my flight crews. I must say it was a huge hit! Thanks for the suggestion!
Have an amazing day! Fly and stay safe. Thanks for this vlog. Cheers.
We hope you have an amazing day as well! Thanks for watching 🤗
Great review just wanted Kara to know that the kawakawa balm is multi use... its good to moiatures, lip balm, scrapes, cuts and burns a natural healing like product (obviously oending how made) but traditionally is very good for multiple things
It's very good for scrapes and cuts. That right there is treasure
Woo Ryan!
Glad I discovered this 🙌🏽
I LOVE YOU GUYS! MAKING MY TUESDAY BETTER!
We are so glad 🤗
Thanks for ALL the Great Travel Tips Nate and Kara :)
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching 🤗
Virgin Atlantic used to have an almost identical seat, only their seat walls were a bit higher. I used to love dining with someone else on the footrest. The only drawback for me was not really being able to look out of the window from the window seat.
Having a window seat is always nice. Thanks for sharing!
If you were on the other side of the plane you would have more privacy. When we fly virgin upper class, we pick the left side as you would be facing the back of the middle row,
Virgin still has this seat on its older aircraft :)
@@daviddewhurst4708 well yes of course, but it is now their older seat...
Nate's dedication to the Prius comparison was incredible 🚗
I loved the energy in the video!!!
I REALLY like this DailyDrop format!
Thank y’all for creating the daily drop!
A suggestion for the rating system (since you asked) scale of 1-5 for business class, 5-10 for first class (or 1-5 for economy, 5-10 for business, and 10-15 for first class). This way, if something in business class is as good as first class, you can give it a rating in the first class range, but crappy first-class issues can be rated as business class.
Love your work. This video took us through two of my favourite places on earth: Auckland (home) and French Polynesia (my spirit home).
On my absolute favourite airline, our very own @Air New Zealand! I don’t see it as the Prius of airlines. Air New Zealand delivers reliably and well on all the key metrics. Product and service is always top notch and they acknowledge when they (rarely) get things wrong.
If you try to deliver exceptional service quality while growing unnecessary product width that’s unlikely to translate into competitiveness. Unless you’re floating on petrodollars.
Kara’s travel fit on point!!!! 😍💯💯
A quick suggestion, there were references to first class when comparing the NZ's business class product. Singapore Airlines, Emirates Business to Business comparison would be a better match and fair comparison. Rest, loved the video and energy!
Thank you for sharing the video
Thank you for sharing your flight moments
Still looking great to see how business class actually runs
For me I never been on business class just always on economy class
Oh my gosh those seats reminded me of the movie “The Wedding Date” when they fly over to Europe! Crazy seat arrangement.
I think the best way is to compare Class to Class. I realise you don't often fly P. Economy, though, since those usually share food service with Business Class food would be good.
I think some things should be purely analytical (if you've seen a Doug DeMuro chart), like the Cubic Feet of the seat, the number of Movies/TV or a Speed test of the Wi-Fi (with a zero if they don't have any and minus two if you have to pay for it).
I do think having real Baristas, Chefs, or Bartenders should give a higher score in Lounges than ones with just a Buffet, free drinks, and Nespresso/coffee machines. I also like there to be showers and Business things like printers. That's why Virgin Airway's lounge in SFO has been the best I've been to (Fresh food, Bar served with Bartenders Showers); second is Fiji Airways with a Bar and Showers with Buffet.
Awesome video as always. Do y'all have any recommendations for luggage I'm in the market for new luggage and would like to hear y'all recommendations for it.
Scoring system: make objective markers for each category: seat working: 1 point, seat comfort: 1 point if comfy, seat privacy: 1 point for reasonable privacy, etc etc etc. create 10 items for each scoring category and use that as your guide
I love that you guys give treats to the flight attendants, but please remember that the gate agents do just as much-if not more-to ensure you have a safe and on-time flight. They deserve treats too!
So do the check in staff, the luggage handlers, the pilots!! Security etc etc ... can't gift them all ..
Loved this video❤
Thank you 🥰
Kara and Nate are the best people for giving there tips and tricks btw love your videos
So glad you enjoy the videos 🎉
Have been a huge fan for years; love ur videos. Please please be careful running to the gate at the last minute. I'm a former gate agent and there is a cutoff rule where non-boarded seats can be dropped and given to stand-by's (airline employees included). However, not sure but y'all could be getting to the gate much earlier just seems like y'all are running it down to the wire. Just looking out for the both of you and not missing a flight. Keep up the good work!! Hugs from Atlanta :)
Cool to see the Daily Mail post a story about this video in their travel section. Congrats Kara & Nate
I LOVED Nate’s Prius references 😂 we own 2 Priuses as our daily drivers!
Seats are similar to Virgin Atlantic upper class seats. I once flew VA upper class with the next seat passenger putting their foot over the divider. I had to put up with a foot in my face for the entire 8 hour flight, with the crew refusing to request it was moved. I refused to fly VA again after that! Thanks for the vid, and the memories
I just subscribed to the channel, I’m a flight attendant and what made me subscribe was the chocolates she brought for the flight attendants 😍
Great video! I’m fine with flying economy! You guys are in paradise! Live it up!
They're bringing in different planes on their AKL - MEL and AKL - IAH routes with a nicer 777 that's leased from old Cathay planes and don't have this silly layout. So excited to try it out later this year!!! But this was a super helpful review :)
Excited to see the upgrade! Glad you enjoyed the video 🤗
I'm surprised Air NZ would use second-hand aircraft. They always used to buy new and sell their old planes to SE asian airlines. Garuda, for example. How the world changes.
@@grahamcook9289 From what I've read it's a tiny bandaid to help with demand while they update their fleet? The articles listed one plane/tail number so not sure if it's a widespread change across the airline
@@grahamcook9289not buying, they're dry-leasing it from Cathay for a few years. At the end it'll go back to Cathay. Also this 777 will be 4 class configured so Cathay first class seat will be available.
@grahamcook9289 The plane is leased to maintain the schedule due to the Pratt and Whitney engine issue that is impacting some 700 aircraft worldwide.
Weighing in for the Air New Zealand Business class seating. From a design, weight and interiors configuration perspective, this arrangement is great! The are no extra furniture walls to produce and with fewer components, there is less overall weight on the airplane, both of which reduce design and operating cost. As a future biz class passenger, this open-air seating is my worst-case-scenario for a flight experience. There is some expectation of privacy in a lay-flat seat, yet here it seems almost completely open to the cabin from every location.
You need score in the class it in then add + if it goes above its class . So a business class that above most first classes has + on it. So a plus would be for going above and beyond for the class.
I love following you both around the works, through airports and on planes. 😊
Did I miss how to get a deal on this flight? We just flew the Auckland to Tahiti flight in Business - I personally like the eco component. I think AirNZ business beats many other airline’s business class for sure. As others have said, hard to compare Emirates first class with any business class flight.
Thanks for following! This video was a review of the business class seats so we did not break down how to book with points. Thanks for sharing your thoughts 🤗
I guess I am one of the few people in the world that actually likes the Upper Class Suite (NZ licensed the seat from Virgin). When it comes to long haul, honestly, I prefer the UCS to SQ's seat on the 350's, the 781 seat is more comfortable for me than both though.
It's a business class, compare it to other airlines business class, NZ normally do a very good job when it comes to food and wine.
I think you guys should consider the average price as a consideration! I love your content and how sweet and funny y’all are- sending love❤
Can we all applaud karas ability to have cute outfits even LIVING out of a bag?! ❤
I LOVE her outfit. Anyone know where it’s from?!
I’ve got the same question!
My daughter did the exact same route but in economy, but she still had an amazing time because she had amazing food and WiFi!
I flew from Dallas to New Zealand on ANZ in March. I thought the plane was pretty (purple lights) but seats were uncomfortable. Food was good though. New Zealand wine was amazing.
I think adding a category that compares cost of the first class seats would be helpful. So for example, if a four hour first class seat on Emirates is $6,000 and a four hour first class seat on Air New Zealand is $4,000; that would be a handy comparison. You can’t always compare something equally if the prices are very different.
Wait! I didn’t even realize what channel I was watching. This is a totally different channel than the usual. Very good job! Also move over Jeff Brooks so much for the Jeb score. Oh! Who am I kidding? The Jeb score is an old familiar friend.
I totally do the buying the crew chocolates since following you all. I took a flight with my nieces and nephews and bought a box of chocolates for the flight. Crew wrote out a card from them and the flight crew shout it out my nieces and nephews they were so excited.
That is awesome 🤗
I am many years banked Gold Elite with Air NZ. It is definitely about a 7/10 versus other long haul business class options. But I live in NZ, so I fly with them a lot!
We are ex-pat Kiwi's living in Melbourne, we always fly Air NZ to the States. We find the service is excellent and whilst we aren't willing to pay the extra $$ for Business class, we do take advantage of the sky couch for that extra seat in the middle. Unfortunately our points system down under is no where near the level of the U.S so upgrades for most of us don't happen unless you travel longhaul often for work. Just my experience of course.
Thank you for sharing your insightful information. Love your channel & really Love Kara & Nate. Is there any chance that Kara & Nate’s full video of this flight experience is available, please? Or is there a link for it? Thank you 🙏.
Thanks for the support 🤗 This is the full video of this flight experience for Kara and Nate. Otherwise, Bora Bora videos are live on both Kara and Nate’s channel as well as on our Daily Drop Channel. Hope this clarifies!
I would add a relationship quality/price
And indeed as Nate mentioned to what kind of flight length/domestic
Awe, born and raised in New Zealand. Spent many summers in Auckland. My family lives in Hamilton NZ. Love anything NZ. Would love to go back for my nieces wedding!
good sound and video quality. I agree with some other comments in that its a little unfair to compare business to 1st class products. Fun video.
To make the system better, you need to define utility in each criteria to give a way to be consistent in rating. Reference defining utility curves in trade studies.
I felt a little lost at first because I travel with you in my mind, and we were all in Colorado on Sunday, on a cross country trandum ride!😂 I know the videos are behind of course, but I feel like I didnt finish the ride..😂😊, i'll take all the videos I can get from you guys, love all of them!
This must be from when they were coming home. I got confused for a second too
Air NZ’s real strength has always been their service. Consistently better/friendlier than other options we’ve used long haul (including Singapore Airlines). Seat score was a bit harsh - it’s a pretty comfortable place to be. And I’ve never had a problem with the layout/privacy. With the mood lighting it’s a fairly ‘intimate’ space. Appreciate it could be an issue when you’re filming - but that isn’t what ordinary travellers are doing.
AirNZ’s interiors were industry leading (about 20 years ago…) - really looking forward to the launch of their new interiors in 2024.
Sampled the new menu on a recent Premium Economy trip to Chicago - genuinely some of the best airline food I’ve had (and I overhead others making the same comment). 👍🏻
Flown 3 times in Air NZ business class on their b777 and found the seating the worst of all the airlines i have flown. The service was average (albeit on a Trans Tasman flight) as this is supposed to be an international flight ! The only positive I can say was the check in at Auckland - that was nice. Other that, I cannot recommend Air NZ at all.
Ok, I would like to know your thoughts on reclining seats in economy. There is a new debate that it is considered very rude to recline your seat in economy because you are so crammed in . I completely agree with this. When the person in front of you reclines their seat, you basically have their head in your personal space. What do you think?
as someone from NZ Id say this is accurate. If Im long hauling it i choose Singapore Airlines business class or Emirates
A suggestion for refining the rating system, I think defining the scale is good, but context also matters. Which brings up an issue, are these scores relative to say the class of seat you're flying in, or will it be absolute, and you'll just have to constantly remind people that a 60/100 in economy that went above expectations isn't necessarily bad compared say an 80/100 business class experience that was just okay or below expectations.
All good thoughts! Thanks for the feedback. We will take this into consideration for future videos 🤗
Crazy, I did this flight last week! Unfortunately not business class. Wonder when this was actually filmed, maybe we were close.
Edit: looks like this was probably a month apart. Definitely not the same flight, mine wasn’t delayed.
When you go on these long flights do you use the planes selection system for the food you get? It probably ruins your surprise but I would hope you never get a bad meal. Also, if you did , did the food choice get messed up?
Kara please, start sharing where you outfits are from! Gorgeous!