Awesome video - that's pretty much it. The sweet spot dial analogy was great. My go-to subharmonic note is usually A1 or Ab1 with Db2 being the higher end and F1 being the lower in terms of consistency. One note about what the vocal fry is doing when combining it with your normal sung note. The octave is realized because the fry interacts with the normal note at precise intervals, affecting the sound wave. So, singing an A2 (110 Hz) with a vocal fry note that interacts with that sung note creates the perceived lower octave. The vocal fry cuts in at around E3 (164.81 Hz); it essentially "distorts" the wave by physically affecting the note at certain intervals. For every 2 cycles, the vocal fry has 3 cycles that interacts with it - some refer to it as the 3:2 ratio - 164.81:110 - you will note that in that ratio, 55 Hz is the base (haha, bass) which is actually A1. Those points of interaction mimic a 55Hz frequency with pretty much all the same overtones as it, causing our brains to assume that it is indeed an A1. If you work with combination tones (organists do this quite often), you will find that playing an A2 and an E3 together creates an A1 so long as it is combined - if it is off by even a few inches, the waves will interact differently and it becomes harder to realize the lower octave. This is also why vibrato with subharmonics is difficult because the pitch is oscillating at a certain rate where as the vocal fry must also keep up with the correct intervals, otherwise it will "pop-up" the octave. Not because you didn't do it correctly, but simply because the fry interacted incorrectly with the normal note. Your vibrato rate must not be manufactured - it needs to be streamlined into your full voice AND your vocal fry (woot, good luck lol). One difference as well when comparing full voice, vocal fry, and subharmonics, is the perfect fifth interval (the E3 that comes through with greater intensity than the other notes). The perfect fifth (E3) is stronger with the subharmonic singing than if you were to sing it in full voice or even vocal fry. The A2 is also stronger. The A1 with subharmonics, however, doesn't show as well on a spectrograph even though it is present. Keep up the good work! - Thou (Pronouncing it "Thou" as in "Thou shalt not" is fine. It is actually pronounced "2" - hence Bass "2" Yang is actually my voice part and my name altogether. Combination tones = combination name. Choir life, right?)
Thank you very much for the kind words, I'm glad you liked the video! I appreciate the info, that was a super interesting read - there's lots to learn about I see! :) Will keep the pronunciation in mind also, sorry for getting that wrong haha.
@@BillyQvarnstrom no worries. Thou is what my family calls me and "2" just stuck with me throughout all my schooling and friends so either one works. Keep up the good work!
Bass2Yang hey quick question. Anytime I do subharmonic I can only transition to a note seven below what I’m singing instead of a full octave. I can’t figure out why and would greatly appreciate any advice.
@@koltenkirk7408 It sounds like what is happening is that you may be using too much breath pressure (or maybe even vocal compression, which is essentially pressing/squeezing the vocal folds too hard to make a sound). Keep a neutral larynx and try humming for a bit (closed mouth while maintaining an open vowel such as "ah" or "oh"). Lip trills and tongue rolls will help loosen up the voice. A high larynx will sharp the sound as well. In some cases, it actually feels sharp (if I hear a G2, trying to tune it at a G1 actually makes my Sub-G1 sharp.) I always tune the G2 with the D2 and G3 notes instead of trying to feel or hear a G1. Lower notes tend to sharp or feel sharp the quicker the air moves (like tuning the C2 cello string - playing it slow feels flat and playing it accented/with more speed makes it feel sharp). Remember your air speed/breath pressure is just as important as setting up your vocal mechanism properly to prepare for the note (audition - realize and hear/feel the note, breath, sing). Hope this helps!
Bass2Yang I also would like to know if it’s possible to switch notes within the register like with chest voice. I can’t seem to do it as I have to come out of it and then go back in on the other note. I haven’t been able to find anything on that yet I’ve seen people who have sung subharmonics singing many notes without stopping to switch notes. They simply sing the next note as if it was in chest voice.
wow, this really works. after just 10 minutes of practice i found myself in the midst of the finals of the mongolian throat singing olympics, thanks bud, couldn't have done it without you and your support
I'm currently the lowest dude in my high school choir class, but despite the decent clout I already get for it, I think i'm gonna start trying this stuff out so I can _really_ kick ass at low notes. I'll keep you guys posted if I can. Wish me luck.
I bloody did it, THANK YOU! I tried for so many years but couldn’t understand instructions well enough. I found the sweet spot right away and kept it there. Super cool thank you thank you! Super cool as a female also.
@@jandunn169 yaaay you will get it, I feel super confident you can. I’ve tried so many videos and many years, and this was the video. I’m a professional singer and I still couldn’t get it
@@BillyQvarnstrom I just came back for a refresher and I’m still super stoked that you helped me out of countless videos and many years, thank you yay!
I've been working for weeks trying to figure out what the low note was and where it came from and what it was supposed to feel like, etc. I started with David Larson's tutorials and the such, and I found yours just yesterday. I can do it now. You really simplified this and gave a very clear description of what should happen when trying to find the register. Thanks man
I taught myself to throat sing by watching RUclips videos and driving a ton! The acoustics in a car are great for it! It's truly about throat constriction and getting use to the feeling of the vibration and constriction. At first you'll cough and it will more than likely hurt, but with time it will feel normal and then!!!! Someday you'll be able to carry a tune for several seconds and eventually be able to throat sing for extended periods of time like myself! I've been practicing for perhaps 15 months or so, it's almost second nature for me now. My kids love it and best of all! A goose was chasing me once (if you know geese they're some scary MF's!) And I throat sang and it backed off! Defense at its best!
You're probably using kargyraa (Tuvan throat singing). Vocal fry subharmonics are quieter, more gentle, and less likely to damage the voice. Not as powerful, usually, but a little easier on the ears and throat, employing pure vocal fry instead of constricting the larynx. Vocal fry should have a more "flowy" phonation but should be less overtone-rich.
I did it for a SPLIT SECOND and I yelled “F*CK YEAH.” Also, you’re the first one to teach this who has my exact same vocal range. Normally everyone who teaches this are big daddy basses, which makes it hard for me to apply.
My kids have been fascinated and amused by Tuvan throat singing since they were very little. I discovered Kongar-ol Ondar as a college music student. Your tutorial is really easy to follow and useful. Thanks for sharing your interest in such a cool subject!
I've looked around soooooo much for kargyraa material over the past month or so. finally found this video! this is the first day I've produced the kargyraa tone. THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Haaaa finally ! Thank you for the physical explanation ! I am a woman so any other video explaining to imitate a sheep, or to cough wasn’t working for me. Your explanation of the lower octave made me think about using a vocal spectrometer app’ so I could see when the lower octave note appeared on my screen and understand what I really needed to do with my voice. It also helped me to know which note to sing because I can’t go as low as men. It’s working! Yeaaah. Thank you.
I know it's two and a half years old, but here we are after a long youtube rabbit hole. Coming from a Metal Background the fry is a lot more natural to me anyways, but i didn't think i could do it cleanly. Happy to report A1 to F#1 worked pretty much instantly. This was so well explained. Thank you very much! Now gotta work a bit on pitch stability and getting a bit more volume out of it
I've been trying to learn this for several years already and you're the first youtuber who makes sense! Untill now I always 'growled' in my throat which makes me cough allot... to those out there : it's NOT 🚫 the right technique if you have to cough! Your explanation about 'morning-voice' was so clear, it took me 30min to get the hang of... Now I can practice safely and enjoy the deep nature sound I make with my own voice (so cool btw) Thanks for this video!
I'm a complete amateur outside of church choir as a young boy. Thank you for making it painfully clear on how to find that sweet spot. I've watched a few videos and they kind of run over that like a afterthought. It's like your dad trying to teach you to throw a football but then he shows you painfully clear how to throw spiral in order to throw the ball accurately. Thanks man. Now I just have to keep hammering on that part of my voice and play around. See what I can do.
sam Blanton you’re probably singing a vocal fry. Try singing an octave higher than you want to and slip into a fry, BUT MAINTAIN THE SAME PITCH. that’s something a lot of people don’t get. It’ll take practice, so don’t be discouraged
A little bit of practice each day, 15 to 20 minutes each day for the first few weeks and then can start to practice for 30 minutes and after a couple months you might be able to practice longer for about an hour or so. If you don't build up gradually, you can damage / injure your throat. Think of it like any sort of exercise where you need to adapt your body and nervous system in a new way. It's better to do small amounts each day rather than one or two large amounts now and then.
@@drakebrock6820 I can do the subharmonic action like I can sing a note and also vibrate the folds to go the octave down, but is there a way to only have the low sound coming out?
@@clarine3057 you just gotta shape your vowel right. Try an open "oh" and work from there. If need be, I'll record a video explaining that part and upload it
You’re singing vocal fry. You need to sing in sub-harmonics. Sing an octave above the bass note you want to sing, relax your voice, and you hit that note. For example. When I first started, which is today, I started with an A2. Relax your voice, and you‘ll begin to sing an octave lower which is an A1. The key to holding that note, is to just sing that starter note ALL THE WAY THROUGH, an A2 in this case. Singing and A2 will keep that A1 going. I probably didn’t make sense to you, but other videos tell you exactly what to do. It’s really simple, but is hard to control.
Can anyone? TBH I have just tried this for the first minutes ever, both overtone and subharmonic, and once getting the grasp on where in the throat this is actually happening I just realized I have been using only a third of my register my entire life. And yes, girl here, and both works for me.
I always thought you needed to have an inhuman deep voice to make those basses. But now i'm really excited to try it myself. I'm practicing for about 10 days, 20 or 30 minutes a day. I can see progress. I cand find 2 or 3 tones, but still not so clean and its difficult to change tones while making it. It didn't hurt, but some times the harmonics stops working, disappear and i can not find it anymore until I rest, and i can just fry. Dificult, but i'm loving it. I feel like in some months i'll be making it!
Bro this worked first try but then i lost it for awhile your the best person that I've found that explains it so well! Dang bro thank you so much!!! And im female 😍✨
Nice video. Very clear. I learned this from the David Larsen videos. I have an alternate explanation for what's happening, though. If you take a tuning fork and touch a piece of paper with it the paper will make the same pitch as the tuning fork. But if you carefully pull the paper just slightly farther away, it will bounce, so that it hits the fork only on every other vibration and makes an octave subharmonic. I think when you gently add fry and find the sweet spot what you are doing is adjusting the adduction of the cords just right so that they bounce like the paper on the tuning fork and only come fully together every other vibration. I think that's why when you hit the sweet spot the lower octave magically appears like some alien living in your chest. I don't think you need to invoke the false cords. My main problem is how to master the transition from normal register to subharmonic since going down a step from regular to subharmonic actually feels like going up a seventh and adding fry.
Thank you, glad to hear that! That's certainly some interesting speculation that I have not heard about before - that might very well be how it works, I'm certainly no expert on the subject.
I've been practicing this for quite some years now, and I'm still not sure about how it works. I can sing with this technique pretty well in A1-Db2 range. False chords don't work here though, that is for another thing. Mongolians and some other people use the false chords in combination with normal ones, but that is different. Here you have the process described by Thou Yang here in the comment section. I'm not sure about Myakothin though, he has such a harsh, loud technique... Not sure if he uses this subharmonic register.
I was definitely wrong about the false chords being utilized, I was probably either misinformed from somewhere or I simply mixed it up with monglian styles, Kargyraa and the like - I pinned Thou's comment so that hopefully people can find some corrections there. And yes, Myakotin is certainly a mystery - I believe I read some inside information about his singing in a comment section over on the Oktavism channel claiming he uses a technique called Strohbass for his upper low range and subharmonic register for the very lowest parts, but it certainly is a lot more powerful and loud sounding than I could ever imagine being able to sing with subharmonics myself.
I find that I have two separate registers in my subharmonic singing: i can use the upper one down to about A1, and then I can't get a G out, but I can sometimes sing a pretty nice F1 or F#1, but it feels like a slightly different technique, and I can't use it above on a G, but it sounds a hell lot like myakotin's sound. It is strong and harsh and loud.
I learnt it long time ago, i just can't understand how you do it loudly. I've been trying for so long but everytime i try to do subharmonics loudly, i switch either back to my normal voice or to vocal fry.
Thanks for this video. I started practising throatsinging over a year ago. Your video helped me a lot learning kargyraa. I now can do kargyraa, khoomei and sygyt. Im also learning Chylandyk and borbanagdyr.
@@vzndonated5thousanddollars135 Tomi p confirmed it on a video about inhale singing on David with the long hair channel. Just search "Inhale singing David" and you will see Tomi P writing this on his comment.
Thanks for the tutorial~! With synthesizers, it’s always helpful to apply a bit of a low pass filter to smooth out what sound like clicks when you start dealing with notes that low. I think the same can be done with how we shape our vowels with these low notes. By the way, is there any value to being able to smoothly transition from a low note to a subharmonic one? For me, it doesn’t happen smoothly... it just jumps (kind of like what happens with inexperienced singers going into their head/mix voice from their chest voice)
Glad you appreciated it!~ That's very interesting, I'm very inexperienced when it comes to how synths work but yeah I'm sure similar effects can be achieved with our voices too. And I have no idea, actually - mine jumps pretty abruptly as well, I have not heard anyone transition smoothly but I'm sure it could be done and utilized in music!
There is a lot of value and yes, it doesn't happen smoothly. You can smooth out the rough transitions by practicing jumping intervals of 7ths, octaves, and 9ths. I try to do this in some of my videos. Vowels are important - try your best not to change them so much and, like with head/mix, choose a neutral vowel to keep the larynx from doing anything funny. In a choir, it is less noticeable. In a solo piece, you need to be prepared. Even my best attempt at it, there are still transition issues - they are minimized of course. Here is a video demonstration the quick changes, use of vibrato in subharmonic, and preparing for an abrupt change (singing a B Major scale descending from B2 to B1): ruclips.net/video/xAP9w7rxSkE/видео.html Octave jumps are easy because you just don't move. The scale at the end is technically B2 - A#2 - G#2 - F#2 - E2 - D#2 - C#3(subharmonic C#2) - B2 (subharmonic B2). The transition happens after D#2 which essentially makes it a minor 7th jump up back to C#3 and then immediately applying the vocal fry (dial it in quickly and accurately without changing the vowel), and then descend from there. It's fun, but dangerous. :D - Thou
Also, here is a far mic placement so you can hear the difference and the transitions if you are interested: ruclips.net/video/JkEVI84xun4/видео.html Subharmonics (really, anything voice) is so interesting to me so I am quite passionate about it. Good luck!
This is a very interesting subject. As you can tell from my username, I'm a contralto so I sing fairly low (D3) but I want to go lower because there are sopranos out there who can reach a C3 while I can't and it hurts my pride I guess. So I've been researching how to sing low for a while now and discovered the subharmonic registr thing (though I still don't know what does subharmonic mean lol) I can use vocal fry to reach an A0 and I feel so proud of myself, next step is to actually sing it lol. And use vocal fry with other notes other than in jazz singing. Thanks for this video, it was very informative!
I like how passionate you are about subharmonic singing. You should learn kargyraa and use it in your channel. It's a different type of subharmonics but it works really well with the types of drones you are trying to go after. It also opens up an incredibly large world of vocal styles. Just like strohbass there isn't much information on it, plus a lot of it is only partially right or just wrong. Alash ensemble has the best video on RUclips for beginning. On a side note I also learned from bass2yang how to do this haha
Thank you for the kind words! I tried to learn Kargyraa around the same time I started messing with subharmonics actually, some attempts of that can be heard in my cover of "Sun's Song" - I found it difficult to do without making my throat sore within a few minutes though so I opted for the lighter feel of subharmonics for most musical contexts after that. I should probably try to pick it back up and see if I can find a less straining way to do it though, the sound of it is super cool!
Just one point. I'm quite sure the false folds aren't involved at all. It is interference between a normal tone where the vocal folds are normaly not touching, and the addition of fry, where you make your actual folds touch while still sustaining the original tone. That is also why you need a well supported original tone. If you back off to much, you loose the base tone and end up with just the fry. But you need both combined. Otherweise awesome tutorial and wicked skills! I've practiced for some time now, but am still struggling to get as clean and as resonant a tone as you! But as encouragement for everybody trying, it does get easier and cleaner the more you practice. Some seem to get it right fast, and others, myself included have to work for it. Maybe coz of anatomy, or maybe how well you practiced fry before going down this rabbit hole. For me it's easiest to begin almost an octave above A2 my lowest chest note Bb1. So listen to Billys advise, and don't try going subwoofer directly. Thanks for a really good video!
Thank you very much for the kind words! I think you're completely right, Thou Yang himself left a comment pointing out some of these same things that I was misinformed about - awesome to hear you're making progress and best of luck!
You (and mr Yang) where right, and I was wrong. Just for the record. Pls disregard my earlier comment 😬. Found a great tutorial on the mechanics of voice techniques including laryngoscopy. Guess we never stop learning.
I sang an d#2 in chest and then i reached the sweet spot and it was an d#1. But i am confused, because it seems like a really low note that i didn't even heard from some russian oktavist and i don't have a very deep voice (lowest chest on a good day b1). Can you also sing a d1 or am i doing something wrong ? And i have problems singing a higher subharmonic note like a g#1. What can i do against that. Can you answer my question or anybody else please ?
Very rarely have I been able to sing a nice sounding D#1 myself but awesome if you're able to do it! Higher notes are more difficult for me as well, anything above A1 is hard for me. Whether that's a shortcoming on my end or in the technique itself I don't know I'm afraid!
@@BillyQvarnstrom Little Update: I can hold the d#1 now for a couple of seconds and even higher notes got a bit easier 😁👌🏻 Thanks man for this amazing tutorial. In my opinion one of the best keep up the good work! Maybe a tutorial for growls, would be cool because i suck at it 😂
there are days where i can do the subharmonics and there are days where my voice just forgets how to do that, is that normal? And is there like a warm up i should do?
@@BillyQvarnstrom i can finally do it! Thanks to you man!😁👍However, i noticed that my subharmonics is not really loud. Will the loudness come overtime or is there like a routine i should do?
Funny. This is actually the best explanation I've seen on RUclips until now. I found how to do this by accident. Since I already have a very deep voice I think my subharmonic is somewhere in the depths of hell 😂 I've tried using a pitch meter but it shows me a D1 I feel like thats not that accurate since I could potentially go even lower.
There are many women that use these sort of techniques while beatboxing. Chiwawa has a good bass Beatboxing is full of these weird alternate singing techniques. Check it out. Esh!
I do ! I naturally have a large vocal range (C3/F6), I would consider myself a mezzo-soprano. But with subharmonics I can add an octave below and hit C2. I'm still working on it, and it's still hard to sing fully in that register, but I'm getting better. For the technique, it's basically the same as men's one. I sometimes go back on Geoff Castellucci's (a MASTER in subharmonics) videos on the topic to find some tips or informations. Weirdly, he has a voice which is like a DEEEP one naturally, but his way of explaining doesn't make it hard to try for someone like me. I genuinely think that a person with any register to start off can do it (we all have what is required for this technique in our throat, we just need to find it :) For the sound, well it sounds pretty much the same as a man, but higher (I can't sing in 1st octave). In my case, it can sometimes sound like a solid man's voice, when it's really clear (and it kinda blows my mind). I can't let you hear my voice but I've found an exemple if you want to know what it sounds like (it's only one note and it's not really clear but that's a subharmonic one) : ruclips.net/video/aSsYvjfr5s8/видео.html
2:05 you mean B0, B1 is 8 semitones above D1 and is immediately followed by C2. The number increments at each C, so the first 3 white keys on the piano are A0, B0, C1
Thanks so much for this info, it basically cracked the whole throat singing thing wide.opwn for me. I could make weird noises before this but now I understand so much more, and using your technique I'm able to replicate your results (needs practice haha) thanks again ! Btw it's been 1 year how has your skill with this technique come along?
Very cool to hear you were able to get it down!! Personally I wouldn't say I've improved much if at all to be honest - I've been really busy and haven't really had any discipline for practicing. I hope to change that and utilize subharmonic singing in some music projects in the future so I have an excuse to do it more :)
I can do it, but I can't seem to apply it to my vocals like I see the bass from voiceplay able to. I keep practicing in Hope's but it always sounds worse than if I were to force the low note
I have a naturally deep voice (lowest normal singing note A1) but when I sing a comfortable note, for example the G# you sing here it's very hard for the fry to come out as clear and loud as it does to you, any idea why?
I love how you compare with the beginning of practising it cause that woud really helped me in the beginning of trying it. Btw pretty damn good video. Unlucky i only found it in 2021.... Keep on going
I was under the impression (especially from Dave Larson) that subharmonic register is different from throat singing. Throat singing uses the arrytenoid cartilage to produce the undertone from the fundamental tone. The subharmonic register uses vocal fry partially to isolate that octave under note, coming more from the false vocal cords. Throat singing requires more of a push to achieve the desired note, subharmonic register singing is more about lining up the vocal fry and your fundamental tone maintaining support from your chest voice. No hate, just wanted to clear any mis-labelling or misunderstandings up!
Basically, the technique you taught in this video is subharmonic register singing, explained anatomically correctly as well. The only misunderstanding is that this is also the same thing as throat singing. Throat singing, or throat bass in the beatbox community to which I belong, or kagyraa in the tuvan Siberian culture, is DIFFERENT than subharmonic register singing. It has more of a harsh, gritty, robotic timbre to it whereas subharmonic is more bassy, akin in timbre to your natural chest voice, and more smooth. Two different vocal tools to achieve the same octave under but through different means and with different timbres
I think you're totally right, most likely a misuse of terminology on my end! I have used subharmonics to emulate the Tuvan-esque sound in a lot of my own productions, but calling it throat singing is probably a stretch.
Also, any tips on sustaining the sound? I know it's just my 3rd day and it will probably come naturally as I continue to practice, but I don't get how it goes away. Doesn't seem logical. Maybe it's just the muscle or whatever not familiar with being used? I don't know the physical or musical terminology for all this. Any tips appreciated 🙏🏼
Hey, glad you're getting it down! I definitely have days where it's unexplainably hard to do, I don't think that's something unusual. The way I do it is so relaxed and "soft" feeling that I've never experienced pain caused from it - I think the best tip I can give is to remember to relax and not do anything that feels strenuous. As for sustain, I think practicing a little every day is your best bet! The more the balance between voice and fry becomes second nature to you, the easier it should get to sustain your notes. :)
@@BillyQvarnstrom Thank you so much! 🙏🏼I don't think I'm getting any unique pain from this but I normally get some soreness or tiredness when I sing too much. I sing but don't practice all the time. I'm guessing that's why. Are you able to do a whole song like this...in the throat singing??
My lowest chest voice note on a good day is an E1, but most days I can hit a G1. I definitely want to learn techniques to improve that, in college I was barely able to hit a Bb1 and over time with practice I have gotten to where I am now. I am interested in learning throat singing techniques and growl techniques to see how low I can go.
Unless you already made something on it, do you know anything about 2nd, 3rd, 4th subharmonic, ect? I'm not seeing a ton of videos on the subject matter, now that I can consistently do 1st subharmonic. Not saying there aren't any videos out there though XD
So subharmonic uses false cords? I firstly though such, but now i don't know. Seems like subharmonic uses only regular cords. I understood that from Bass2Yang's topic on his web page. What are you think about it?
I got it the first time and did hold it for about 5+ seconds - it was sooo cool, felt being like in god of war really! - but then I lost it and cannot find it since xD
I’ve never been able to sing that well, but I got this pretty quickly thanks to you! Any suggestions other than repetition for longevity? It’s been a few days but I find myself running out of breath sometimes. Thanks again!
This is the same process I discovered naturally! Thank you for validating me 😁😅 Any tips on how to not hurt your throat or vocal chords? I think I would be able to tell if it started to hurt, but any suggestions would be helpful. I'm just not doing too much in one day just in case, and using honey and drinking lots of water. Do you find that some days you're just not able to do it too? Maybe it's just cuz it's my 3rd day. Anyways, very exciting!!! Thanks for making this video!
Thanks for this video, but I'm still confused about something. Some say you have to make that vocal fry thing to get those subharmonics, and others say you have to do some kind of clear-throat/coughing thing. I tried the two and they are very different , the coughing one being a bit painful as it makes me cough and it's kinda irritating, but I don't know which type among those two I should go for. Anyone got an idea ? (I guess those are 2 very different techniques, but I don't know which one I should begin with)
To the best of my knowledge, these are 2 very different techniques as you say. The technique using the throat clearing sound I believe is most commonly referred to as "growl notes" or "growl bass" (my favorite user of this is Tim Foust from the group "Home Free" - check out their covers of "Do you hear what I hear" and "Ring of Fire" if you haven't already!) and is generally pretty rough on the throat in my experience, but that might be due to lacking technique on my end. What I describe in this video is a very relaxed way of singing unlike the growl notes, but also has a somewhat softer sound to it. Growls can sound more upfront and aggressive I'd say - both techniques have their uses as well as pros and cons!
@@BillyQvarnstrom Indeed, I think the throat clearing technique is a Tuvan throat singing technique called Kargyraa, which actually resonnates in the chest as well as in the throat, while the one you explain in this video is the subharmonic technique that only uses the throat. You also probably heard some people add whistling overtone notes to their throat singing, like in videos of Mongolian throat singing. Do you know if it can be done with your technique ?
I'm a singer who's only dabbled in extended vocal techniques, but in my experience the thing to be careful about with any of these "dry" vocal or false cord techniques is not to drive them with breath, in fact breathe out first, air irritates the cords because you're closing them intermittently, and it could be harmful.
Damn I had it for 20 full seconds first try! But I have been doing scream/growl vocals for almost 10 years and have mastered fry scream and false chord, so I guess I am half way there :D Edit: After literally 1 hour I have managed to get a steady sound, but I need to practice holding the notes better and getting more OOMPH! Thanks for a seriously good tutorial!
@@BillyQvarnstrom I didn't master anything yet, but today I got even further and was able to produce my first 10 seconds of proper throat singing with real OOMPH! :D Still a ways to go in terms of tonal stability and lung capacity. Subbed and excited for more videos from you! :) Edit: I may or may not have done some stalking og du er jo faen meg Svensk! Thall.
By my understanding, anyone can learn the sub-harmonic register; it's all about learning to access and co-ordinate the throat and upper chest and back muscles into an open and stable configuration that allows the vestibular folds to vibrate. The capability is inherent in the geometry of human anatomy, so to speak. It's kind of amazing how simple it is, once you actually feel it in your own body, eh? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestibular_fold
Hello! Can i ask you cuz i don`t know much of vocals and stuff. Am in the beginning is that a plugin that you are using to deep your throat singing. Im sorry for probably my dumb question.
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Awesome video - that's pretty much it. The sweet spot dial analogy was great. My go-to subharmonic note is usually A1 or Ab1 with Db2 being the higher end and F1 being the lower in terms of consistency.
One note about what the vocal fry is doing when combining it with your normal sung note. The octave is realized because the fry interacts with the normal note at precise intervals, affecting the sound wave. So, singing an A2 (110 Hz) with a vocal fry note that interacts with that sung note creates the perceived lower octave. The vocal fry cuts in at around E3 (164.81 Hz); it essentially "distorts" the wave by physically affecting the note at certain intervals. For every 2 cycles, the vocal fry has 3 cycles that interacts with it - some refer to it as the 3:2 ratio - 164.81:110 - you will note that in that ratio, 55 Hz is the base (haha, bass) which is actually A1. Those points of interaction mimic a 55Hz frequency with pretty much all the same overtones as it, causing our brains to assume that it is indeed an A1. If you work with combination tones (organists do this quite often), you will find that playing an A2 and an E3 together creates an A1 so long as it is combined - if it is off by even a few inches, the waves will interact differently and it becomes harder to realize the lower octave.
This is also why vibrato with subharmonics is difficult because the pitch is oscillating at a certain rate where as the vocal fry must also keep up with the correct intervals, otherwise it will "pop-up" the octave. Not because you didn't do it correctly, but simply because the fry interacted incorrectly with the normal note. Your vibrato rate must not be manufactured - it needs to be streamlined into your full voice AND your vocal fry (woot, good luck lol).
One difference as well when comparing full voice, vocal fry, and subharmonics, is the perfect fifth interval (the E3 that comes through with greater intensity than the other notes). The perfect fifth (E3) is stronger with the subharmonic singing than if you were to sing it in full voice or even vocal fry. The A2 is also stronger. The A1 with subharmonics, however, doesn't show as well on a spectrograph even though it is present.
Keep up the good work!
- Thou (Pronouncing it "Thou" as in "Thou shalt not" is fine. It is actually pronounced "2" - hence Bass "2" Yang is actually my voice part and my name altogether. Combination tones = combination name. Choir life, right?)
Thank you very much for the kind words, I'm glad you liked the video!
I appreciate the info, that was a super interesting read - there's lots to learn about I see! :)
Will keep the pronunciation in mind also, sorry for getting that wrong haha.
@@BillyQvarnstrom no worries. Thou is what my family calls me and "2" just stuck with me throughout all my schooling and friends so either one works. Keep up the good work!
Bass2Yang hey quick question. Anytime I do subharmonic I can only transition to a note seven below what I’m singing instead of a full octave. I can’t figure out why and would greatly appreciate any advice.
@@koltenkirk7408 It sounds like what is happening is that you may be using too much breath pressure (or maybe even vocal compression, which is essentially pressing/squeezing the vocal folds too hard to make a sound). Keep a neutral larynx and try humming for a bit (closed mouth while maintaining an open vowel such as "ah" or "oh"). Lip trills and tongue rolls will help loosen up the voice.
A high larynx will sharp the sound as well. In some cases, it actually feels sharp (if I hear a G2, trying to tune it at a G1 actually makes my Sub-G1 sharp.) I always tune the G2 with the D2 and G3 notes instead of trying to feel or hear a G1. Lower notes tend to sharp or feel sharp the quicker the air moves (like tuning the C2 cello string - playing it slow feels flat and playing it accented/with more speed makes it feel sharp).
Remember your air speed/breath pressure is just as important as setting up your vocal mechanism properly to prepare for the note (audition - realize and hear/feel the note, breath, sing). Hope this helps!
Bass2Yang I also would like to know if it’s possible to switch notes within the register like with chest voice. I can’t seem to do it as I have to come out of it and then go back in on the other note. I haven’t been able to find anything on that yet I’ve seen people who have sung subharmonics singing many notes without stopping to switch notes. They simply sing the next note as if it was in chest voice.
wow, this really works. after just 10 minutes of practice i found myself in the midst of the finals of the mongolian throat singing olympics, thanks bud, couldn't have done it without you and your support
poppa bless
Every viewer is going UHHHHHH right now :)
I sure hope they are! :)
indeed, i just noticed my lowest note jumped from F2 to E2 :D
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As I was a second ago...
My family asked me to stop! 😅😢
DAUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH!
I'm currently the lowest dude in my high school choir class, but despite the decent clout I already get for it, I think i'm gonna start trying this stuff out so I can _really_ kick ass at low notes. I'll keep you guys posted if I can. Wish me luck.
Best of luck man!
aye good luck bro
Maybe take a look at beatboxers. They do stuff like this a lot.
Any progress ? I have the curious
What's your range?
This is deep
No, this is dip, I bringed some fries.
@@josephtoto80 I brought some more fries
I bloody did it, THANK YOU! I tried for so many years but couldn’t understand instructions well enough. I found the sweet spot right away and kept it there. Super cool thank you thank you! Super cool as a female also.
Super cool to hear it worked out, thank you for the kind words!!
Yup Im feel too and determined to do it...
@@jandunn169 yaaay you will get it, I feel super confident you can. I’ve tried so many videos and many years, and this was the video. I’m a professional singer and I still couldn’t get it
@@BillyQvarnstrom I just came back for a refresher and I’m still super stoked that you helped me out of countless videos and many years, thank you yay!
It usually takes dinner and a movie before I find the sweet spot
I've been working for weeks trying to figure out what the low note was and where it came from and what it was supposed to feel like, etc. I started with David Larson's tutorials and the such, and I found yours just yesterday. I can do it now. You really simplified this and gave a very clear description of what should happen when trying to find the register. Thanks man
That is super cool to hear, I'm very glad I was able to help! Thanks for the kind words and for watching!
I taught myself to throat sing by watching RUclips videos and driving a ton! The acoustics in a car are great for it!
It's truly about throat constriction and getting use to the feeling of the vibration and constriction. At first you'll cough and it will more than likely hurt, but with time it will feel normal and then!!!! Someday you'll be able to carry a tune for several seconds and eventually be able to throat sing for extended periods of time like myself! I've been practicing for perhaps 15 months or so, it's almost second nature for me now. My kids love it and best of all! A goose was chasing me once (if you know geese they're some scary MF's!) And I throat sang and it backed off! Defense at its best!
I actually did it standing in the ocean yesterday... perhaps water helps somehow. I am getting more flack being an older "girl" doing this...
You're probably using kargyraa (Tuvan throat singing). Vocal fry subharmonics are quieter, more gentle, and less likely to damage the voice. Not as powerful, usually, but a little easier on the ears and throat, employing pure vocal fry instead of constricting the larynx. Vocal fry should have a more "flowy" phonation but should be less overtone-rich.
I did it for a SPLIT SECOND and I yelled “F*CK YEAH.” Also, you’re the first one to teach this who has my exact same vocal range. Normally everyone who teaches this are big daddy basses, which makes it hard for me to apply.
Good to hear you're making progress! I know that feel, I sat through many big bass boys trying to learn it as well!
Same here regarding the range
My kids have been fascinated and amused by Tuvan throat singing since they were very little. I discovered Kongar-ol Ondar as a college music student. Your tutorial is really easy to follow and useful. Thanks for sharing your interest in such a cool subject!
Thank you very much for the kind words!
I love those tutorials, man! :D
Thanks dude, great to hear that! :D
I've looked around soooooo much for kargyraa material over the past month or so. finally found this video! this is the first day I've produced the kargyraa tone. THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Very glad to hear I could help, thank you for watching!
Thank you Billy. You have one of the most helpful throat singing videos available.
Very glad to hear that, thank you for watching!
Haaaa finally ! Thank you for the physical explanation ! I am a woman so any other video explaining to imitate a sheep, or to cough wasn’t working for me. Your explanation of the lower octave made me think about using a vocal spectrometer app’ so I could see when the lower octave note appeared on my screen and understand what I really needed to do with my voice. It also helped me to know which note to sing because I can’t go as low as men. It’s working! Yeaaah. Thank you.
Super awesome to hear I could help!!
This is the only video that really simply puts it out there. Thank you!
It's cool that you don't have to have a particularly deep speaking voice to use this technique.
Agreed!
I know it's two and a half years old, but here we are after a long youtube rabbit hole. Coming from a Metal Background the fry is a lot more natural to me anyways, but i didn't think i could do it cleanly. Happy to report A1 to F#1 worked pretty much instantly. This was so well explained. Thank you very much! Now gotta work a bit on pitch stability and getting a bit more volume out of it
Hey, awesome to hear that - glad I could help, and thanks for watching!
Got it down in about 3 minutes thanks man!! Been trying for months and this video got me going basically instantly!!
That is totally awesome to hear dude, good job!!
This is actually the best tutorial I've found on RUclips on this sopic. Cheers!
Glad to hear that, thanks for watching!
Dude! Thanks! I've look at many video about this and it never worked before.
And now I got it for the first time.
Awesome to hear that, and thanks for watching!
I've been trying to learn this for several years already and you're the first youtuber who makes sense! Untill now I always 'growled' in my throat which makes me cough allot... to those out there : it's NOT 🚫 the right technique if you have to cough! Your explanation about 'morning-voice' was so clear, it took me 30min to get the hang of... Now I can practice safely and enjoy the deep nature sound I make with my own voice (so cool btw)
Thanks for this video!
Awesome to hear you're getting the hang of it, and glad I could help!
you explained that extremely well, got it on the first try, thanks mate
Awesome to hear that, and thanks for watching!
This is definitely the best sub harmonic tutorial out there, you explained it perfectly, and now I understand subharmonics and vocal fry!
I'm a complete amateur outside of church choir as a young boy. Thank you for making it painfully clear on how to find that sweet spot. I've watched a few videos and they kind of run over that like a afterthought. It's like your dad trying to teach you to throw a football but then he shows you painfully clear how to throw spiral in order to throw the ball accurately. Thanks man. Now I just have to keep hammering on that part of my voice and play around. See what I can do.
Glad I was able to help, thank you for watching!
Great tutorial. Not a vocalist by any means but was able to find the "sweet spot" thanks to your blend knob analogy!
ive watched so many tutorials but this is the only one that has actually helped me to understand how to do it, and to do it
That's so cool ! I'll (try to) learn it !
Very glad to hear that, I wish you the best of luck!~
I have trying to figure this out for months. It finally clicked for me! Thank you for the information!!!!
Unbelievable, got it straight away!!! Excellent tutorial
Omg…I did how you said..and I can actually do it..but obviously need much practice now..thank you, I love it, and you are amazing!🥰
Very glad to hear I could help, and thank you so much! :)
i can get the low raspy sound but it doesn't really sound like a note. how do you refine it to be a clearer note
sam Blanton you’re probably singing a vocal fry. Try singing an octave higher than you want to and slip into a fry, BUT MAINTAIN THE SAME PITCH. that’s something a lot of people don’t get. It’ll take practice, so don’t be discouraged
A little bit of practice each day, 15 to 20 minutes each day for the first few weeks and then can start to practice for 30 minutes and after a couple months you might be able to practice longer for about an hour or so. If you don't build up gradually, you can damage / injure your throat. Think of it like any sort of exercise where you need to adapt your body and nervous system in a new way.
It's better to do small amounts each day rather than one or two large amounts now and then.
@@drakebrock6820 I can do the subharmonic action like I can sing a note and also vibrate the folds to go the octave down, but is there a way to only have the low sound coming out?
@@clarine3057 you just gotta shape your vowel right. Try an open "oh" and work from there. If need be, I'll record a video explaining that part and upload it
You’re singing vocal fry. You need to sing in sub-harmonics. Sing an octave above the bass note you want to sing, relax your voice, and you hit that note. For example. When I first started, which is today, I started with an A2. Relax your voice, and you‘ll begin to sing an octave lower which is an A1. The key to holding that note, is to just sing that starter note ALL THE WAY THROUGH, an A2 in this case. Singing and A2 will keep that A1 going. I probably didn’t make sense to you, but other videos tell you exactly what to do. It’s really simple, but is hard to control.
Can anyone? TBH I have just tried this for the first minutes ever, both overtone and subharmonic, and once getting the grasp on where in the throat this is actually happening I just realized I have been using only a third of my register my entire life. And yes, girl here, and both works for me.
VERY cool to hear!
I always thought you needed to have an inhuman deep voice to make those basses. But now i'm really excited to try it myself.
I'm practicing for about 10 days, 20 or 30 minutes a day. I can see progress. I cand find 2 or 3 tones, but still not so clean and its difficult to change tones while making it. It didn't hurt, but some times the harmonics stops working, disappear and i can not find it anymore until I rest, and i can just fry.
Dificult, but i'm loving it. I feel like in some months i'll be making it!
Awesome to hear, best of luck with your progress!
This is the video that got me into subharmonics! Five years later and I can hit some crazy low notes.
awesome and clear explanation, thank you for making this. I'm going to practice this now :)
Very glad to hear I could help, best of luck! :)
OMG 😂 THANKS FOR THIS MAN! Before I can hit a good F2/F#2 now I can go down around F1. I am blown rn 😂
Awesome to hear it helped! :D
You’re so soft spoken and your voice is very soothing. Time to check out your shit
Bro this worked first try but then i lost it for awhile your the best person that I've found that explains it so well! Dang bro thank you so much!!! And im female 😍✨
Awesome to hear! :)
Nice video. Very clear. I learned this from the David Larsen videos. I have an alternate explanation for what's happening, though. If you take a tuning fork and touch a piece of paper with it the paper will make the same pitch as the tuning fork. But if you carefully pull the paper just slightly farther away, it will bounce, so that it hits the fork only on every other vibration and makes an octave subharmonic. I think when you gently add fry and find the sweet spot what you are doing is adjusting the adduction of the cords just right so that they bounce like the paper on the tuning fork and only come fully together every other vibration. I think that's why when you hit the sweet spot the lower octave magically appears like some alien living in your chest. I don't think you need to invoke the false cords. My main problem is how to master the transition from normal register to subharmonic since going down a step from regular to subharmonic actually feels like going up a seventh and adding fry.
Thank you, glad to hear that! That's certainly some interesting speculation that I have not heard about before - that might very well be how it works, I'm certainly no expert on the subject.
I've been practicing this for quite some years now, and I'm still not sure about how it works. I can sing with this technique pretty well in A1-Db2 range. False chords don't work here though, that is for another thing. Mongolians and some other people use the false chords in combination with normal ones, but that is different. Here you have the process described by Thou Yang here in the comment section. I'm not sure about Myakothin though, he has such a harsh, loud technique... Not sure if he uses this subharmonic register.
I was definitely wrong about the false chords being utilized, I was probably either misinformed from somewhere or I simply mixed it up with monglian styles, Kargyraa and the like - I pinned Thou's comment so that hopefully people can find some corrections there. And yes, Myakotin is certainly a mystery - I believe I read some inside information about his singing in a comment section over on the Oktavism channel claiming he uses a technique called Strohbass for his upper low range and subharmonic register for the very lowest parts, but it certainly is a lot more powerful and loud sounding than I could ever imagine being able to sing with subharmonics myself.
I find that I have two separate registers in my subharmonic singing: i can use the upper one down to about A1, and then I can't get a G out, but I can sometimes sing a pretty nice F1 or F#1, but it feels like a slightly different technique, and I can't use it above on a G, but it sounds a hell lot like myakotin's sound. It is strong and harsh and loud.
BillyTheBard11th Myatokin does this in chest voice, not a subharmonic register.
I learnt it long time ago, i just can't understand how you do it loudly. I've been trying for so long but everytime i try to do subharmonics loudly, i switch either back to my normal voice or to vocal fry.
It's not super loud when I do it either - I believe it's inherently not a super loud sound since it needs to be very relaxed, but I could be wrong!
Thanks for this video. I started practising throatsinging over a year ago. Your video helped me a lot learning kargyraa. I now can do kargyraa, khoomei and sygyt. Im also learning Chylandyk and borbanagdyr.
Very impressive! Glad I was able to help!
@@BillyQvarnstrom :D
geoff castellucci can hit an e1 with this technique
tomi p can hit a b0 with subharmonics 0.0
@@allistercrow2405 He doesn't use subharmonics to hit the B0. He uses inhale singing.
@@vladlu6362 he uses growl
@@vzndonated5thousanddollars135 Tomi p confirmed it on a video about inhale singing on David with the long hair channel.
Just search "Inhale singing David" and you will see Tomi P writing this on his comment.
Quick note: Geoff Castellucci can actually hit an E1 in chest! Tim Foust hit an A0 with growl.
Thank you so much for your clear explanation...Easiest thing for me is to try to imitate the first note you sang on here in the beginning...
I love the princess mononoke theme in the background.
Come to think of it, a version of that theme added with throat singer would be mental !
This was actually super helpful in the explanation/breakdown.
Gonna try training to do this.
Very glad to hear that, best of luck!
Thanks for the tutorial~! With synthesizers, it’s always helpful to apply a bit of a low pass filter to smooth out what sound like clicks when you start dealing with notes that low. I think the same can be done with how we shape our vowels with these low notes.
By the way, is there any value to being able to smoothly transition from a low note to a subharmonic one? For me, it doesn’t happen smoothly... it just jumps (kind of like what happens with inexperienced singers going into their head/mix voice from their chest voice)
Glad you appreciated it!~
That's very interesting, I'm very inexperienced when it comes to how synths work but yeah I'm sure similar effects can be achieved with our voices too.
And I have no idea, actually - mine jumps pretty abruptly as well, I have not heard anyone transition smoothly but I'm sure it could be done and utilized in music!
There is a lot of value and yes, it doesn't happen smoothly. You can smooth out the rough transitions by practicing jumping intervals of 7ths, octaves, and 9ths. I try to do this in some of my videos. Vowels are important - try your best not to change them so much and, like with head/mix, choose a neutral vowel to keep the larynx from doing anything funny. In a choir, it is less noticeable. In a solo piece, you need to be prepared. Even my best attempt at it, there are still transition issues - they are minimized of course. Here is a video demonstration the quick changes, use of vibrato in subharmonic, and preparing for an abrupt change (singing a B Major scale descending from B2 to B1):
ruclips.net/video/xAP9w7rxSkE/видео.html
Octave jumps are easy because you just don't move. The scale at the end is technically B2 - A#2 - G#2 - F#2 - E2 - D#2 - C#3(subharmonic C#2) - B2 (subharmonic B2). The transition happens after D#2 which essentially makes it a minor 7th jump up back to C#3 and then immediately applying the vocal fry (dial it in quickly and accurately without changing the vowel), and then descend from there. It's fun, but dangerous. :D
- Thou
Also, here is a far mic placement so you can hear the difference and the transitions if you are interested:
ruclips.net/video/JkEVI84xun4/видео.html
Subharmonics (really, anything voice) is so interesting to me so I am quite passionate about it. Good luck!
This is a very interesting subject. As you can tell from my username, I'm a contralto so I sing fairly low (D3) but I want to go lower because there are sopranos out there who can reach a C3 while I can't and it hurts my pride I guess. So I've been researching how to sing low for a while now and discovered the subharmonic registr thing (though I still don't know what does subharmonic mean lol)
I can use vocal fry to reach an A0 and I feel so proud of myself, next step is to actually sing it lol. And use vocal fry with other notes other than in jazz singing. Thanks for this video, it was very informative!
Glad I could help, hope you get it down!
I like how passionate you are about subharmonic singing. You should learn kargyraa and use it in your channel. It's a different type of subharmonics but it works really well with the types of drones you are trying to go after. It also opens up an incredibly large world of vocal styles. Just like strohbass there isn't much information on it, plus a lot of it is only partially right or just wrong. Alash ensemble has the best video on RUclips for beginning.
On a side note I also learned from bass2yang how to do this haha
Thank you for the kind words! I tried to learn Kargyraa around the same time I started messing with subharmonics actually, some attempts of that can be heard in my cover of "Sun's Song" - I found it difficult to do without making my throat sore within a few minutes though so I opted for the lighter feel of subharmonics for most musical contexts after that. I should probably try to pick it back up and see if I can find a less straining way to do it though, the sound of it is super cool!
@@BillyQvarnstrom yeah it takes a bit for your throat to get used to it. It took me like 2 or 3 weeks to be able to do it without it getting sore.
I'm used of using false chords for growling. I enter the subharmonic for a split second and habitually switch to a growl.
It's happening to me rn
That was well explained i was able to figure out what it means and found it really easy to do
Super cool to hear that, glad you figured it out!!
Just one point. I'm quite sure the false folds aren't involved at all. It is interference between a normal tone where the vocal folds are normaly not touching, and the addition of fry, where you make your actual folds touch while still sustaining the original tone. That is also why you need a well supported original tone. If you back off to much, you loose the base tone and end up with just the fry. But you need both combined. Otherweise awesome tutorial and wicked skills! I've practiced for some time now, but am still struggling to get as clean and as resonant a tone as you! But as encouragement for everybody trying, it does get easier and cleaner the more you practice. Some seem to get it right fast, and others, myself included have to work for it. Maybe coz of anatomy, or maybe how well you practiced fry before going down this rabbit hole. For me it's easiest to begin almost an octave above A2 my lowest chest note Bb1. So listen to Billys advise, and don't try going subwoofer directly. Thanks for a really good video!
Thank you very much for the kind words! I think you're completely right, Thou Yang himself left a comment pointing out some of these same things that I was misinformed about - awesome to hear you're making progress and best of luck!
You (and mr Yang) where right, and I was wrong. Just for the record. Pls disregard my earlier comment 😬. Found a great tutorial on the mechanics of voice techniques including laryngoscopy. Guess we never stop learning.
PS, the guys name on RUclips (with the tutorial) is Brandon Kennedy.
The background music is so pleasant to listen to.
I love this thank you, since I've been sick I've been getting decent and feeling the low vocal fry and finding that sweet spot! Haha
I sang an d#2 in chest and then i reached the sweet spot and it was an d#1. But i am confused, because it seems like a really low note that i didn't even heard from some russian oktavist and i don't have a very deep voice (lowest chest on a good day b1). Can you also sing a d1 or am i doing something wrong ?
And i have problems singing a higher subharmonic note like a g#1. What can i do against that. Can you answer my question or anybody else please ?
Very rarely have I been able to sing a nice sounding D#1 myself but awesome if you're able to do it! Higher notes are more difficult for me as well, anything above A1 is hard for me. Whether that's a shortcoming on my end or in the technique itself I don't know I'm afraid!
@@BillyQvarnstrom Little Update: I can hold the d#1 now for a couple of seconds and even higher notes got a bit easier 😁👌🏻
Thanks man for this amazing tutorial. In my opinion one of the best keep up the good work!
Maybe a tutorial for growls, would be cool because i suck at it 😂
there are days where i can do the subharmonics and there are days where my voice just forgets how to do that, is that normal? And is there like a warm up i should do?
I have days like that as well, I wouldn't worry too much! I find warming up going up and down scales to work well for me personally.
@@BillyQvarnstrom i can finally do it! Thanks to you man!😁👍However, i noticed that my subharmonics is not really loud. Will the loudness come overtime or is there like a routine i should do?
GREAT tips... so helpful. Thanks.
Glad to hear that, thank you for watching!
Funny. This is actually the best explanation I've seen on RUclips until now.
I found how to do this by accident. Since I already have a very deep voice I think my subharmonic is somewhere in the depths of hell 😂 I've tried using a pitch meter but it shows me a D1 I feel like thats not that accurate since I could potentially go even lower.
are there any WOMEN doing subharmonic singing? havent found one!
I’m trying!
I saw some on RUclips, yes. I'm also doing it. I'm on my 3rd day.
There are many women that use these sort of techniques while beatboxing. Chiwawa has a good bass
Beatboxing is full of these weird alternate singing techniques. Check it out. Esh!
@@thepoofster2251 Chiwawa has good basses but I don't think she uses subharmonics.
I do ! I naturally have a large vocal range (C3/F6), I would consider myself a mezzo-soprano. But with subharmonics I can add an octave below and hit C2. I'm still working on it, and it's still hard to sing fully in that register, but I'm getting better. For the technique, it's basically the same as men's one. I sometimes go back on Geoff Castellucci's (a MASTER in subharmonics) videos on the topic to find some tips or informations. Weirdly, he has a voice which is like a DEEEP one naturally, but his way of explaining doesn't make it hard to try for someone like me. I genuinely think that a person with any register to start off can do it (we all have what is required for this technique in our throat, we just need to find it :) For the sound, well it sounds pretty much the same as a man, but higher (I can't sing in 1st octave). In my case, it can sometimes sound like a solid man's voice, when it's really clear (and it kinda blows my mind). I can't let you hear my voice but I've found an exemple if you want to know what it sounds like (it's only one note and it's not really clear but that's a subharmonic one) :
ruclips.net/video/aSsYvjfr5s8/видео.html
OMFG ANOTHER PRINCESS MONONOKE FAN!!!!
I'm sorry, I'm just way too happy right now lol
i searched for years for a video like that, i sing like i was 10 and i always wanted to learn that for 18 years now
2:05 you mean B0, B1 is 8 semitones above D1 and is immediately followed by C2. The number increments at each C, so the first 3 white keys on the piano are A0, B0, C1
Yeah this technique is like treasure now I can hit F#1 (on a good morning of course, but still I am so awesomely glad)
I call this fry-singing (vocal-fry + voice). It's like light version of Throat singing (Kargyraa: Mongolian, Tuvan, Tibetan...)
Ye it is lighter which makes it lower :D
Thanks so much for this info, it basically cracked the whole throat singing thing wide.opwn for me. I could make weird noises before this but now I understand so much more, and using your technique I'm able to replicate your results (needs practice haha) thanks again ! Btw it's been 1 year how has your skill with this technique come along?
Very cool to hear you were able to get it down!! Personally I wouldn't say I've improved much if at all to be honest - I've been really busy and haven't really had any discipline for practicing. I hope to change that and utilize subharmonic singing in some music projects in the future so I have an excuse to do it more :)
It's a great cleansing agent for the lungs if you are a smoker!
Due to the vibrations all the mucus comes loose.
Oh lovely
@@yungpm
It tastes salty and has a lot of texture to it
Very interesting to this bass singer
This is like pedal tones on the trumpet/cornet. It's fun to turn heads by making a sound like a tube on a little cornet.
I can do it, but I can't seem to apply it to my vocals like I see the bass from voiceplay able to. I keep practicing in Hope's but it always sounds worse than if I were to force the low note
this video alone let me be able to throat sing ty so much
Very glad to hear that!!
I have a naturally deep voice (lowest normal singing note A1) but when I sing a comfortable note, for example the G# you sing here it's very hard for the fry to come out as clear and loud as it does to you, any idea why?
I love how you compare with the beginning of practising it cause that woud really helped me in the beginning of trying it. Btw pretty damn good video. Unlucky i only found it in 2021.... Keep on going
I was under the impression (especially from Dave Larson) that subharmonic register is different from throat singing. Throat singing uses the arrytenoid cartilage to produce the undertone from the fundamental tone. The subharmonic register uses vocal fry partially to isolate that octave under note, coming more from the false vocal cords. Throat singing requires more of a push to achieve the desired note, subharmonic register singing is more about lining up the vocal fry and your fundamental tone maintaining support from your chest voice. No hate, just wanted to clear any mis-labelling or misunderstandings up!
Basically, the technique you taught in this video is subharmonic register singing, explained anatomically correctly as well. The only misunderstanding is that this is also the same thing as throat singing. Throat singing, or throat bass in the beatbox community to which I belong, or kagyraa in the tuvan Siberian culture, is DIFFERENT than subharmonic register singing. It has more of a harsh, gritty, robotic timbre to it whereas subharmonic is more bassy, akin in timbre to your natural chest voice, and more smooth. Two different vocal tools to achieve the same octave under but through different means and with different timbres
I think you're totally right, most likely a misuse of terminology on my end! I have used subharmonics to emulate the Tuvan-esque sound in a lot of my own productions, but calling it throat singing is probably a stretch.
BillyTheBard11th thank you for responding! Just wanted to make sure I knew the difference as someone learning both
Also, any tips on sustaining the sound? I know it's just my 3rd day and it will probably come naturally as I continue to practice, but I don't get how it goes away. Doesn't seem logical. Maybe it's just the muscle or whatever not familiar with being used? I don't know the physical or musical terminology for all this. Any tips appreciated 🙏🏼
Hey, glad you're getting it down! I definitely have days where it's unexplainably hard to do, I don't think that's something unusual.
The way I do it is so relaxed and "soft" feeling that I've never experienced pain caused from it - I think the best tip I can give is to remember to relax and not do anything that feels strenuous.
As for sustain, I think practicing a little every day is your best bet! The more the balance between voice and fry becomes second nature to you, the easier it should get to sustain your notes. :)
@@BillyQvarnstrom Thank you so much! 🙏🏼I don't think I'm getting any unique pain from this but I normally get some soreness or tiredness when I sing too much. I sing but don't practice all the time. I'm guessing that's why. Are you able to do a whole song like this...in the throat singing??
My lowest chest voice note on a good day is an E1, but most days I can hit a G1. I definitely want to learn techniques to improve that, in college I was barely able to hit a Bb1 and over time with practice I have gotten to where I am now. I am interested in learning throat singing techniques and growl techniques to see how low I can go.
Dude thanks idk how but I never did this and i litterally learned it in 5 minutes
Super cool to hear, thanks for watching!
Thank you for making this video, I will try it. :)
Best tutorial so far
That Intro was frekin BAD ASS man..
Nailed it, the undertones. took 2 seconds. The higher overtone one has me on practice mode tho.
Unless you already made something on it, do you know anything about 2nd, 3rd, 4th subharmonic, ect? I'm not seeing a ton of videos on the subject matter, now that I can consistently do 1st subharmonic. Not saying there aren't any videos out there though XD
So subharmonic uses false cords? I firstly though such, but now i don't know. Seems like subharmonic uses only regular cords. I understood that from Bass2Yang's topic on his web page. What are you think about it?
I had the part about false cords wrong in the video - there's an awesome correction by Bass2Yang in the pinned comment of this video!
@@BillyQvarnstrom yeah, i read it, but I didnt find correction about false cords there. Anyway thank you for your reply!
The legend of Ashitaka at the background detected :)
Good ear! :)
@@BillyQvarnstrom Thank you for the video!
@@Asterlibra Thank you for watching as well!
I got it the first time and did hold it for about 5+ seconds - it was sooo cool, felt being like in god of war really! - but then I lost it and cannot find it since xD
I’ve never been able to sing that well, but I got this pretty quickly thanks to you!
Any suggestions other than repetition for longevity? It’s been a few days but I find myself running out of breath sometimes.
Thanks again!
Oh man I loooove the princess monoke soundtrack during the vid!
This is the same process I discovered naturally! Thank you for validating me 😁😅 Any tips on how to not hurt your throat or vocal chords? I think I would be able to tell if it started to hurt, but any suggestions would be helpful. I'm just not doing too much in one day just in case, and using honey and drinking lots of water. Do you find that some days you're just not able to do it too? Maybe it's just cuz it's my 3rd day. Anyways, very exciting!!! Thanks for making this video!
I would like a revving chainsaw…
Thanks for this video, but I'm still confused about something.
Some say you have to make that vocal fry thing to get those subharmonics, and others say you have to do some kind of clear-throat/coughing thing. I tried the two and they are very different , the coughing one being a bit painful as it makes me cough and it's kinda irritating, but I don't know which type among those two I should go for.
Anyone got an idea ?
(I guess those are 2 very different techniques, but I don't know which one I should begin with)
To the best of my knowledge, these are 2 very different techniques as you say. The technique using the throat clearing sound I believe is most commonly referred to as "growl notes" or "growl bass" (my favorite user of this is Tim Foust from the group "Home Free" - check out their covers of "Do you hear what I hear" and "Ring of Fire" if you haven't already!) and is generally pretty rough on the throat in my experience, but that might be due to lacking technique on my end. What I describe in this video is a very relaxed way of singing unlike the growl notes, but also has a somewhat softer sound to it. Growls can sound more upfront and aggressive I'd say - both techniques have their uses as well as pros and cons!
@@BillyQvarnstrom Indeed, I think the throat clearing technique is a Tuvan throat singing technique called Kargyraa, which actually resonnates in the chest as well as in the throat, while the one you explain in this video is the subharmonic technique that only uses the throat. You also probably heard some people add whistling overtone notes to their throat singing, like in videos of Mongolian throat singing. Do you know if it can be done with your technique ?
Overtones are a completely unexplored subject for me I'm afraid - I can't say which of the techniques would be most suitable for that.
I'm a singer who's only dabbled in extended vocal techniques, but in my experience the thing to be careful about with any of these "dry" vocal or false cord techniques is not to drive them with breath, in fact breathe out first, air irritates the cords because you're closing them intermittently, and it could be harmful.
@@eliselorraine How do you sing without air then ?
My chest goes to a D2 and my subharmonic can do F#1-E1, how come I cant do the notes in between?
Damn I had it for 20 full seconds first try! But I have been doing scream/growl vocals for almost 10 years and have mastered fry scream and false chord, so I guess I am half way there :D
Edit: After literally 1 hour I have managed to get a steady sound, but I need to practice holding the notes better and getting more OOMPH! Thanks for a seriously good tutorial!
Cool to hear you got it down so quickly, and thanks for watching! :)
@@BillyQvarnstrom I didn't master anything yet, but today I got even further and was able to produce my first 10 seconds of proper throat singing with real OOMPH! :D Still a ways to go in terms of tonal stability and lung capacity. Subbed and excited for more videos from you! :)
Edit: I may or may not have done some stalking og du er jo faen meg Svensk! Thall.
@@EonSloth AWESOME to hear, it'll only get better from here! Thall som fan \m/
That intro is perfect
So while I'm doing it, my voice goes up a bit then goes back to normal with the fry to it. Do I explore in that area?
By my understanding, anyone can learn the sub-harmonic register; it's all about learning to access and co-ordinate the throat and upper chest and back muscles into an open and stable configuration that allows the vestibular folds to vibrate. The capability is inherent in the geometry of human anatomy, so to speak. It's kind of amazing how simple it is, once you actually feel it in your own body, eh?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestibular_fold
If it started to hurt a bit, does it mean I'm doing it wrong?
Or maybe I just have to stop and rest, maybe continue the next day?
Is this different from throat singing? I can't seem to do the vocal fry while singing a note. 😭
"how does one do that?" for a moment you brought out Mater from movie Cars, visually as well... you do look a little bit.
Hello! Can i ask you cuz i don`t know much of vocals and stuff. Am in the beginning is that a plugin that you are using to deep your throat singing. Im sorry for probably my dumb question.
Hi, don't worry! I am using a reverb plugin called Valhalla Shimmer!
Thank you for the video! It was very helpful!