How to Communicate with Drummers

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  • Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024

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  • @bmasseyphoto
    @bmasseyphoto 2 года назад +3

    Good stuff Kade... We've run the full gamut on this issue over the past decade at our Church- went from hand percussion to V-drums to a live kit in an enclosure lined with sound panels and a top. One of our drummers plays super-hard (think shattered bamboo everywhere) and the other has a fairly light touch. Both are very talented but very different. Your emphasis on well-timed energy is spot on: if you get too big too fast there's nowhere left to go. I know you are keeping the video brief, but I would add that energy should not only build, but fluctuate (rise into the chorus, back off in the verses. Never want to just "coast through" those transitions.) I also think it's important to "play to the room." This is a learned art, some of the best drummers I've heard can play with a jazz trio in a restaurant and wow me with pure finesse, yet patrons can have a conversation from a few feet away... then blast my socks off in a concert setting. Drumming is definitely an art form with a wide range of possibilities, but it takes a lot of work to develop various styles!

  • @KaseyEarlmusic
    @KaseyEarlmusic 2 года назад +2

    Excellent explanation of how cymbals affect energy and how that energy can be expressed even at a lower volume. Beatboxing is also a great way to communicate with your drummer. Most drummers play by ear so simply singing what you're wanting can help a drummer figure it out. A model of bundled sticks I've discovered are Vater Whips (wood handle). They are more durable than wooden dowels and the wood handle allows for a good cross stick sound not easily achieved with wooden dowels. Thanks for always producing great content! Love the new setup.

  • @erikawynne6087
    @erikawynne6087 2 года назад

    This is so good. As a worship leader, communicating with drummers is the trickiest part of stewarding a band for me! The "energy" bit is sooo good. When we'd have a drummer absent and wanted some more rhythm, I've played cajon a few times and simply asked (pleaded) for Jesus to take the wheel. haha

    • @collabworship
      @collabworship  2 года назад

      :D

    • @duncanmacinnes4813
      @duncanmacinnes4813 2 года назад

      Is the ride cymbal not an energy level too??

    • @collabworship
      @collabworship  2 года назад

      @@duncanmacinnes4813 It definitely is. You can either lightly tap it for quiet moments of a song, or crash it during louder moments.

  • @lukelukastx
    @lukelukastx 2 года назад

    Blessings Kade. Drummers are a unique blessings to music. Our tip, recommend worship volume instead of concert volume. Sometimes it works. Else, provide Promark c-rods or h-rods. Cymbals are definitely the main transfer of energy.

  • @hidden1049
    @hidden1049 2 года назад +1

    The problem I have in my own church is that, our drummer doesn't listen to me. It's like when he gets into that energy, there's no getting him out. I will still - one of these days - walk up to him and collect the sticks during one of our worship sections 😂. God knows.
    Thanks Kade

  • @PanRider939
    @PanRider939 2 года назад

    As far as collaborative creative input is concerned the drum-kit is where it’s at. Thankfully I have a great relationship with our drummer, because I pamper him 😊 buying and trying out new mic setups, and sticks to try out and give feedback on.
    And I don’t understand why churches have drum enclosures. I’ve been to plenty of gigs and concerts big and small and never once seen a shield or enclosure.

    • @collabworship
      @collabworship  2 года назад

      Whoa buddy... you are stepping on a sacred cow when it comes to criticizing the drum enclosure. 😬 But, I agree. Drum enclosures are not needed. There are better solutions.

    • @PanRider939
      @PanRider939 2 года назад

      @@collabworship 😂. So why do, churches put drums in an enclosure?

    • @collabworship
      @collabworship  2 года назад +1

      @@PanRider939 Honestly, I think someone just did a good job marketing them. :)

  • @andyross2601
    @andyross2601 2 года назад

    I play everything a little and run our sound techs at church. This video definitely will strike a chord (haha) with many church worship teams. One thing I use to decrease energy on the drums is going to a beat where the snare hits half as often. I call it half time but I don't think thats the correct term. Basically the drum beat stays similar but the snare hits on only the 4 count.
    I have more problems with the drummers not turning it loose when the time comes! Jesus is in heaven, if you want him to hear it, you better crash that cymbal! J/K!

  • @Fantasticleman
    @Fantasticleman 2 года назад +1

    I am an avid drummer since 5 Years old and have played at multiple churches for a few years. Basing the "energy level" of drumming on just cymbals sounds TOO basic in my opinion... In a basic set, you have 3 cymbals (Ride, Crash, High-hat) and 5 drum heads (snare, 2 toms, 1 floor tom, and bass). You have a plethora of different rudiments that can be distributed virtually infinitely amongst the different parts of your set, not even mentioning dynamics!
    I rebuttal your "energy level" argument regarding cymbals and say that I can introduce a song with ONLY cymbals:
    -A simple trill every 4 bars on the ride, with a variant of hitting the bell on 1 after the "and a" after 4 (option to add "and 3").
    -Hitting the ride at mezzo-piano on 2+4
    -Crescendos with mallets to bridge phrases
    -Any combination of the above examples
    Cymbals can ACCENT key nots in the beginning of a song before establishing a beat!
    Of course, all of this depends on the song and what the song calls for... what "environment" it is trying to create, etc.
    You could start a song with just quarter notes on the Bass Drum!
    You could start a song with an army "drumline" feel on just the Snare!
    To be honest, I was a little offended when you limited the creative potential of us Drummers to just our Cymbals...
    It's like if I said: "The 'energy level' of a guitarist is based on how much he uses his 6th string."
    To be fair (when regarding the Cymbals), your recommendation DOES hold merit in the fact that the closed High-Hat is typically the quietest out of all the cymbals, followed by the Open High-Hat, then the RIDE, then the Crash.
    I agree that the average drummer tends to "hit peak" too early (not to mention gain time! lol).
    Staying "in the pocket" is a real discipline for ALL drummers!
    Cymbals are a unique sound that stands out in any song, so I can understand where you are coming from, but simply stating the AMOUNT of cymbals used to determine dynamic is just not entirely true...

    • @collabworship
      @collabworship  2 года назад

      Thanks for the comment man. The goal of this video is to give non-drummers a simple approach to communicating with their drummer when things aren't going quite right. You're right. Drums are MUCH more complicated than what I explained in this video. But, I'll save the complicated talk for drummers. This video is simply to narrow the communication gap between the worship leader and the drummer.

  • @road2therunway
    @road2therunway 2 года назад +2

    That book being in the background tells me all I need to know about you and your ministry. Disappointing to see this.

    • @collabworship
      @collabworship  2 года назад +2

      Might want to read the book before criticizing it. :)

    • @scootb7400
      @scootb7400 Год назад

      The title is meant to be provocative , but the author’s approach is really simplistic take on what should be a nuanced discussion. It feels like an extremely rushed (even uninformed at times) attempt to capitalize on a divisive topic that is front & center during these “culture wars.” Think click-bait… but with chapters.