The Duelist Kingdom is basically like playing an RPG with a completely stoned gamemaster. "You attack the moon, which makes the ocean recede and strands all the water monsters? Yeah, sure, why not?"
*takes a hit* "You are also responsible for millions of monster deaths all over the monster world due to flooding. Harsh, dude. Also, werewolves are probably unable to transform now or something."
Good thing Pharoah used his OP Guardian of the Stoner crush card. Aw yeah. Thank God they didn't know Star Wars references: "That's no Moon!" "Explodia! Obliterate!!" "Nooo, that's impossible! No one's ever done that!" "Search your heart, cards, you know it to be True!"
So Yugioh with D&D rules honestly sounds amazing XD Also the idea that Yugi is always rolling crits on a D20 honestly makes perfect sense when you remember that the Millennium Puzzle's power is Probability Manipulation.
So my first reply was yeeted by YT for whatever reason. Anyway, there is 3/4th of a setting for CoC based on YuGiOh. Definitely worth a read, if you can find it. (i would link it but that would probably get my reply disintegrated again)
Given that Pegasus was trying to recreate the original system of summoning monsters that was done in ancient Egypt, which we later do get to see through the Pharaoh's memories, it makes Duelist Kingdom make a lot more sense.
GX/Zexal: I use a normal rule set only broken by magic shenanigans. Arc-V/Vrains/5Ds/Battle City: I have 2 rule sets for specific situations. Sevens: I use a simplified rule set! Duelist Kingdom: Wait, you guys have rules?
Nice try dweeb, but my Machine Monsters are coated in 'Magic-resistant Armor' lawl. What kinda freaking Machine that YOU know of is resistant to Magic?!
@@scantyer Wait Joey! The Minotaur is resistant to Fire! ...........NOw He tells me............ lol. This also does not apply to future Battle Ox Retrains either. They could have easily had a future Retrain say like "this card gains 500 ATK when Battling a Pryo-type or FIRE Monster," but no, Nothing.
You can't change of heart a machine, it has NO heart!!! Ha! That may be so, but that means you CANNOT monster reborn your machine either! Last I checked, machines lack SOULS!
I always thought of the duelist kingdom simulating an actual battle, like on a tabletop. If you look at it from say dnd perspective a lot of the moves and combos make sense, after all the original game wizard and monsters was a simulation of two wizards summoning monsters and battling.
Oh Yeah, the guy who made the manga was a big fan of Tabletop RPGs.... in fact, the last non-duel monsters game payed in the manga right before the Duelist Kingdom arc began was a Tabletop RPG (called Monster World).... and the final arc in the memory world was one as well (conveniently enough, both were orchestrated by the same guy). So it should be no surprise that before the rules were fully fleshed out (as was the case for duelist kingdom) a lot of elements from those types of games were being used when writing the duels.
There’s one rule I’ve found about someone using Exodia to win: When a player won with Exodia the Forbidden One, a player laid out all 5 cards on the field for the computer system to recognize it as a victory condition.
I think that's because the battle station doesn't recognize cards unless they're set on the field. Therefore, any cards with an effect that happens in you hand must be played.
Well, just because "No one's ever been able to summon him!!!1!!" doesn't mean someone couldn't at some point, so the computer would have needed that rule either way; and if Pegasus created those cards, he intended for that win condition to be possible (albeit difficult - see quoted meme). But having to lay down the five cards on the field to confirm they were in the hand does sound like it'd be a requirement with that system - or with anything that came after, like Kaiba's Duel Disks.
@@AkerreBeHere Doubtful, my impression is laying the cards on the field is more of a pro forma thing so the computer recognizes the victory condition like @Rainbow Dragon said. But either you're allowed to remove any monsters on the field first or it doesn't matter *where* on the field they're played. The card effect's text in the anime just says "You win the duel", and keep in mind there have been situations, even in the anime, where a duel arena/disk was not used (Yugi vs Bakura, Yugi's timed duel against Pegasus, the duels on the ship, etc.).
“Logically, If I light my Red Eyes on Fire and summon it, It doubles its Attack and cannot be destroyed by battle but is disintegrated at the end of the turn”
I'd argue a monster in that position would slowly have his flesh and bone seared away while being in extreme pain, therefore it's attack and defense would rather slowly whittle away
0:25 Actually, the events of the series, according to the manga, start in 1996 and end with Dark Side of Dimensions in ~1999 So ,really, the prize money during Duelist Kingdom would probably be a bit higher
@@leeeyles1864 I think by the end of gx it is shown that it is 2007. But yeah, Dark side of dimensions does pose a lot of questions about the tech that we don't see in gx
I think the entire DM anime takes place in 1994, and GX starts at 2004 and ends in 2006. While the Original manga takes place in 1996 and ends in 1997, with DSOD taking place in 1998-1999. And yes technology is more advanced in the Yu-gi-oh world.
@@albertoandrade9807 I think he means the rules. Instead of a rigid form of ruling based on card games (in universe made by Kaiba), this battle style was about mages using real creatures that could interact in a 3D space. Even the spells had multiple effects. For example something like Giant Soldier of Stone was something more than a monster with big defense. It was a real entity, with properties, size, presence... It could be used as a stepping stool etc. Lightning travels thru water. The moon had a physical presence. The original duels were between mages who used actual creatures that could change the landscape. The damage was more than mental. It was physical. Think Pokemon battles in the anime vs Pokemon TCG.
Might have actually been part of the plan. Making it closer to the original form might have somehow made it easier for Pegasus to invoke a Shadow Game since he was probably figuring out how to use the eye on his own.
If Serenity was getting full-on retina transplants, I could see it being 3 million. But I’m pretty sure her issue was cataracts or glaucoma, and those are significantly cheaper to treat.
@@pn2294 Ooh, I totally forgot all about that! Since the anime never touched on it, I don’t really think about his dad a lot. His mom’s a real prize for only taking Serenity. 😒
@@WhiteRaven696 Japan doesn’t have joint custody (though you have to wonder why she couldn’t get both of them), so they probably ended up with a Solomon Divorce Did you watch Digimon? Matt and T.K. had a similar family relationship. So did Koji and Koichi.
My pet theory is that Duel Monsters in the anime always has some degree of ancient egyptian magic behind it allowing certain crazy things to happen, and Pegasus was deliberately tapping into that for the Duelist Kingdom tournament, which is why so many of the rules are crazy, arbitrary, and specific, as well as why the duelists weren't given a full rulebook going in, so they'd have to intuit things for themselves and unconsciously tap in to that magic.
I mean Yugi orignally owned the time wizard so i'm asusming he planned to use along with dark magician to summon dark sage like how joey uses it with baby dragon to summon thousand dragon - I don't understand why some people draw issue from it.
I don’t see it as Yugi booby trapping Joey’s deck. There’s no way he could have known that he was going to have to duel Joey. He just exploited an opportunity knowing that Joey uses Time Wizard.
@@nightwing179 Exactly my thoughts on this. The way I see it, Yugi gave Time Wizard to Joey because he knew it had a potentially really powerful effect that could help him out in his duels, and he knew that Joey's deck as it was originally wasn't exactly very good; the latter point is why, if you recall, he actually advises Joey to trade for new cards with other people on board the ship on their way to Duelist Kingdom
Yugi vs Joey didn't even happen in the manga; that was an anime-only thing anyways. If Joey never had Time Wizard, he would've lost against Mai and Rex, so people are twisting Yugi's kindness way too far.
I could see Kaiba dangling moderately effective cards in front of Joey and offering to sell them at a discount in exchange for Joey saying things like "Kaiba is the best duelist ever" in public.
To be fair to Joey needing all $3 million for the operation in the dub they are in America so he very well might have actually needed it all. Replies are taking this joke way too serious.
Not even close. It would have to be an extreme amount of things needing to be fixed to get in the millions. Extracapsular cataract surgery for example costs roughly 1200 in the US
Welcome to the experience of the ignorant, the only truly shocking prices in us healthcare are ambulance rides, everything else though expensive is not "be millionaire or die" (especially if you actually have insurance which most people do).
@@janehrahan5116 I have insurance, but I still admit prices without are absurd. How can you justify the summary report I got back about what my insurance covered said 12k for a simple checkup at the family doctor. Yeah, Healthcare is expensive in America.
Serenity probably has an autoimmune disease that attacks her eyes and the 3 Million covers not only the surgery, but a treatment plan where she'll be able to get regular surgery or drugs or something every year to maintain her eyesight for the rest of her life.
the last rule made it much more fun to watch even if it doesnt make sense in today's ygo standards. Could be fun to see more of that stuff in a spinoff
Plenty of people have already commented on this I’m sure, but my understanding is that Season One Duel Monsters was equal parts Trading Card Game, and D&D style RPG. This makes perfect sense to me because Kazuki Takahashi was always very clear that his favorite kind of games were tabletop RPG’s. This is evident by the very fact that the final shadow game of the series was one massive Tabletop RPG between Yugi and Bakura.
I always thought the Magic Arrow/Blue Eyes/Mammoth Graveyard fusion would have made more sense if it just destroyed the end result. Because it was now technically part of Yugi's deck, it would have just been destroyed by the Crush Card Virus. Of course with the "Logical Sense" ruling, I wouldn't have been shocked if the virus would then "Spread" to Kaiba's deck.
When I first got into yugioh I followed the duelist kingdom duel rules , when I first dueled someone just played Blue Eyes without paying tributes to summon it they were like what are you doing lol
The fusion thing worked in a similar way in the videogames. The early ones. Where you had to gather the materials and by trial and error, you discovered the fusions.
Mirror Force doesn't do that. It actualky redirects the attack back at all enemies. So the difference between each enemy and the attacker is dealt to the opponent.
That's true; I think the best example of this is in Yugi's duel with Pegasus. When Pegasus attacks with Toon Summoned Skull, Yugi actives Mirror Force, causing the attack to hit all of Pegasus's monsters: he lost 1100 from Toon Mermaid (which had 1400 attack) and 300 from Manga Ryu Ran (which had 2200 attack), causing Pegasus to suffer 1400 points of damage
Also, Weevil just outright cheated during that duel- he had enough monsters on the field to wipe out his life points entirely from this, but one of them wasn’t added
The only rule they should have kept was Ritual monsters being on the extra deck. They'd be so much better but they don't get a lot of play because garnets
tbh i disagree, i love ritual summoning with my supreme ruin and demise deck in master duel. feels like an actual ritual because i need all the pieces in my hand, and part of the fun is running an engine to get them. sure it can be bricky, but ive optimized it pretty well now!
Honestly duelist kingdom format looks pretty fun, although I do see the obvious problem of people just making blue eyes have an op effect like destroying everything on field and burning your opponent. It would be still be cool though to have an official format like this
I think a way to fix this is to move the wholr thing into digital space (at least partially) and program all of the interactions beforehand. Also give all the monsters more detailed descriptions of what they can do, so players would use that as a base to start experimenting with various monsters, spells, traps and terrain combinations.
@@kindlingking i think the "obvious" way to fix this would be to just have a live judge play DM to talk about the scene and what takes effect Wouldnt be great and is open to bias but itd be the only way to do those last rules well
@@colmecolwag D&D is basically that, and I don't think most D&D players feel cheated. I think it would be very interesting to see a duel like that, I think the hardest part would be keeping track of the effects
@@kindlingking Well that is what happened. Those make things make sense moments were also dependent on the computer. So those interactions were inside that dueling computer, and the people just needed to think them thru.
You can tell TGS isn't America when he's surprised and in disbelief by a several million dollar fee for a medical operation. If anything, that's one of the few things the dub gets right.
Especially since the anime implies that the operation is risky or requires a number of specialists that would definitely drive up the price add that to a likely long surgery and post operation care and 3 million mine just be enough
Honestly, the rpg element of the last rule is what made the anime so fun to watch. Of course it would be harder to watch as a player thinking to yourself "that's not how the rules work, that doesn't make sense", from the rpg perspective like you said, it does, and I think it was just so cool how yugi would try and think of logical ways to do some rpg combo to win the duel. This lack of rules made the show fun to watch (at least for someone who didn't know the rules)
You know, if we take out rules like the last one and the type/attribute advantage and the reason that we’re put in due to them not having set rule for the actual game at the time and leave the by invite and no side decks and the field power bonus then this would be a pretty fun tournament to hold IRL! Also, since they made a card based off of Curse of Dragons + Burning the Land, then maybe Konami could make a card based off of Mammoth Graveyard + Polymerization + Living Arrow. It would have an effect that equips it to an opposing monster an causes it to lose 1200 ATK at the start of each of their turns, however if the opponent discards a normal spell they can restore their monsters ATK (it doesn’t get rid of the mammoth retrain but it does delay the power loss)!
Another very important rule which applied across all of season 1, is that both players start the duel with only 2000 life points. Which when you consider all the other rules, makes a lot of sense because those duels do not need to be dragged out any longer.
@@Shantae1188 Can you imagine that with 8000 life points? It would basically be a 20 episode duel. I wouldn't put it past them to have tried that or at least considered the idea.
Kazuki Takahashi loves TTRPGs, so it makes sense for him to implement a rule where if you can narratively justify something you want your card to do, you can do it.
We sometimes play it like Duelist Kingdom for the fun of it, if we can justify it then it happens. Like a fusion of YGO and table top. Anyone who is creative enough and have good counter arguments usually wins. Ex. Since Dark Magician is the ultimate wizard in terms of attack and defense it is immune to other spellcasters.
These rules are why Yugi's Grandpa's deck was so op. There was insane variety and synergy within that variety. This allowed him to be able to pull off some crazy moves out of nowhere. There was some "heart of the cards" bs, but on it's own, that deck was insane under that ruleset. Pegasus's deck was similarly broken because it took that ruleset and slapped it in the face with absurdities like toon monsters.
Ah I love these videos! Sooo fun to watch! The past few days I tried to make up the DK rules myself and have some fun with my friends during the holidays. This makes it so much easier!! I would also like to add my own brief thoughts: 1) the ritual monsters ARE inside each duelist's deck, but can be called out from the ritual spell procedure, even when in deck. Or, also logical, all alternative monster types (fusion, ritual, effect result monsters) are all "transform category" monster types. 2) there seems to be a huge vagueness, about the pure stats power of the monsters inside a deck in Duelist Kingdom. In fact, one could easily pick the strongest ones yet and place them in their respective decks, making them practically invincible. One thing I can mention here, is that it helps to point out that in DK (and, also, later on on the series), monster cards (at least the powerful ones) exist only in copies of one (with some exceptions, like Blue Eyes for obvious reasons). This fact makes Joey's Red eyes a legendary card and explains all the hype when someone sees the card in action. And, of course, this applies in many more cases as well. Unfortunately, we stay with no light about what regulations would take place for the monsters power inside the deck. Could someone just include high level monsters? Could those be, like, only 5? And if so, 3 lf them must not have more than 2300 attack power -you see where Im going with this. Maybe if we could fill this gap, we could have all the rules of DK in our hands and apply them for fun. Anyways, just my opinion. Again, great content!
The Living Arrow/Polymerization/Mammoth Graveyard doesn't even require the "If you can describe it you can do it" caveat. All cards are operating exactly as they should, no extra shenanigans required. The rule that enables that combo is actually way earlier in your list under the massive list of fusions rule. It can be safely assumed that the "Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon + Mammoth Graveyard" fusion (let's call it Blue-Eyes Ultimate Rotting Dragon) is the same as Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon but losing 1000 ATK per turn (could be useful). Living Arrow enables the Polymerization target so everything is 100% by the stated card rules.
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu That is due to the Living Arrow which is required to use your opponents monster. I should have mentioned that this does assume that the Polymerization card operates a little differently which considering it is the most errata'd card in Yugioh is not hard to believe (have you seen the 1st edition text?). The way it seems to operate in the anime is that you choose 1 monster and fuse another into it, which the other fusions in DK seem to support. In other words Fusion (in DK) is something you do to a monster rather than a summoning. Edit: To further support this theory in this same duel Kaiba has to summon his Blue-Eyes White Dragon in order to cast Polymerization on it. So it definitely seems like it has to target a creature.
@@tinkerer3399 what you suggest kinda suggest that combining blue eyes + baby dragon is different to baby dragon + blue eyes because if Yugi can choose to resolve the effect on BEUD that means he can apply it to the mammoth, which basically means you havea ridicuously amount of combinations + the inverse order combinations, since the fusion monster don't exist every monster is a posible target for polymerization, in the Duelist Kingdom make sense because the duels are controled by a machine/computer but it's shown sometimes that people plays the game on regular tables, do those players need to memorize the stats and effects of all posible combinations to use fusions?
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu I don't know about the first part of your statement. While it is true that you could either combine Blue Eyes into Baby Dragon or Baby Dragon into Blue Eyes I don't recall ever saying that it would give you two different monsters. For the second part, yeah that would probably be right. People would be forced to carry around a book just for the results of Polymerization. Probably why they changed the card effects in universe. Remember that in this duel Kaiba summoned Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon without a BEUD card. Or there are alternate possibilities. Kaiba mentions that he combined Mystic Horseman with Battle Ox because they are both mythical creatures and hence are supposed to both be compatible. It could be that all incompatible monster combinations just create a version of the targeted monster that loses 1000 ATK per turn. That would drastically cut down on the number of creatable monsters and change it from a whole book of monsters to a smaller section within the general rule book. Still a pain in the butt to have to reference it but far fewer pages than a whole book of just monsters for 1 card.
The standard rules are that living and unliving monsters are not to be fused. They are incompatible. The living arrow makes the monster target an opposite monster for a fusion. We have Fusion cards that work on opposite monsters. Is not that the specific fusion is not woking, but all fusions like that would create a similar effect. It rots bececause it is wrong. The thing with a Rule Book was reinforced by Tea and the duelists reactions. They need to remember all those interactions or look it somewhere. The computer has them in itself and they need to find them by trial and error or just know it. Tea said "If only I remembered what this does". It's tabletop rules , but with the incentive to hide and Ruleshark your opponent.
Honestly, some of these rules are far superior to modern competitive tournament rules, and I would love to see modern Yu-Gi-Oh decks played with Duelist Kingdom rules
It helped Joey's ass against Rex with Flame Swordsman solo-killing all of Rex's dinos and made him bring out the big guns (AKA Dragons) at the very least.
To elaborate further on RULE 29, there is actually a chart in the Duel Monsters GameBoy games that goes into the specific match ups. It goes as follows: Monsters: Water > Fire > Wood > Wind > Earth > Lightning > Water Magic-Users: Black Magic > White Magic > Demon Magic > Illusion Magic > Black Magic For those that'd like to see the visual breakdown, the chart is on Yugipedia on the Duel Monsters page, under Standard.
I guess to streamline some of the DnD like rules you could say a rule is that ANY object on the field, be it objects manifested by spells (the moon) or the field itself can be interacted with by Monsters attacks or abilities.
Yugi's duel with Bandit Keith should also be considered. While it wasn't a part of Duelist Kingdom rules, it was being played with "standard", "quick-play", 2000 LP rules. Just like how LP draining cards weren't allowed in Battle City, monster destruction cards weren't allowed in Duelist Kingdom. People can say that characters are "breaking the rules", but the reality is that there are different rulesets in the anime, as well as different cards effects. It also stands to reason that some cards might have different effects under different rulesets.
One thing to note is how monsters had various strengths and weaknesses. Like how we found out that dinosaurs were weak against fire. Hence why Joey's Flame Swordsman for a short while put a halt to Rex's dinos.
Heyyy. Last month I started to watch Yugioh again, because of nostalgia. And your channel is a blessing for me. And I was wondering about duel from 5th season. Ziegried vs Kaiba idk why but I still think that Zigfried von Schroeder should have won this duel. It would be great hearing your thoughts about this duel.
A modification to Rule 23 (Fusion/Transformed Monsters Are Not Physical Cards): If you do have the physical copy of a Fusion monster, you can just add it to your deck and use it as a regular main deck monster. Flame Swordsman is the main example but there are a few others that are treated this way and, in at least the English dub, the physical cards are shown to be purple so they're legit Fusion Monsters even though they don't need fusion materials or polymerization to be brought out.
I love the dnd aspect of it, it really is just "hey, I think this is how this should work because XYX" and you argued your point well enough that the DM is just like "*Fine*, i guess that makes sense." And you get your funny magic item
I mean nothing in the tournament rules prevented Kaiba from using his dual technology didn't Yugi lose like five star chips at the end of the dual because Kaiba's emo strategy
There also seemed to be a rule where if one monster had lower attack points, but still had an advantage over the opponent, it could still destroy the other card. Example, when Mokuba used his stolen cards against Yugi, he summoned the Man-Eating Plant with 2000 attack with no bonus, but Yugi was able to beat it with his Winged Dragon with only 1400 attack, and Mokuba lost the 600 point difference. The dub tried to lean into "The Heart of the Cards" by saying a stolen deck wouldn't work for him, but it was really just the special rules, since the Winged Dragon had an advantage either because it could fly or because it could breath fire, or maybe both.
Especially since most extra deck monsters these days are far superior to the vast majority of ritual monsters, let alone the practically unplayable garbage rituals of the early days. Even back when the game was new, Hungry Burger was a terrible, TERRIBLE, choice for your deck. Still good for a laugh though if you dust it off and beat someone with it.
Loved the video! Also I think all the later rules / effects found in the tcg are actually in Duelist Kingdom but they are not specified as rules yet. For example, the mammoth that makes the Ultimate Dragon decay is probably the inspiration for monsters that can be equiped to an opponent's card (like Gilfer and many others). The field power bonus of the island is the origin of the field spell cards. Quickplay spell cards were added afterwards but were already used as you explained. The Curse of Dragon is actually used as an effect monster (it consistently destroys the opponent field spell of Mako and of Haga) so effect monster was already getting important at this time even though the design doesn't show it.
I'll be honest with you, I think that some of the duelist kingdom rules came in my personal opinion, because in the manga and even in Yugioh zero the game is not called duel monsters but wizards and monsters, so according to that a bit like in D&D the game is between two wizards who fight each other with monsters, Magic and traps (which is also a kind of magic from the way I see it) What do you guys think?
So, Kazuki Takahashi (R.I.P) was a HUGE fan of tabletop RPGs. That's why duelist kingdom had the ruleset it did, because he wanted to mix up duel monsters with a dnd-style ruleset. The tables they played on in the manga were even structured as a grid, and the labyrinth duel was the biggest example of the dnd style, being a literal dungeon.
Fun fact, Yugi vs Mako duel inspired the creation of a card called Attack the Moon! it's effect is: Once per turn, when the battle position of a Rock-Type monster you control is changed: You can target 1 Spell/Trap Card your opponent controls; destroy that target.
Duelist Kingdom Tournament Rules: Note: Duelist Kingdom is split into two parts: A qualifying session and a final. Rule 1: Duelist Kingdom is Invite only. Rule 2: Each Duelist invited receives a welcome pack. (5 card/2 star chips) Rule 3: Star chips must be wagered in every duel. Rule 4: 10 star chips are required to qualify for the finals. Rule 5: The loss of all star chips or having less than 10 at the end of the qualifying session time limit are eliminated. Rule 6: Qualifying session is a Battle Royal with a 48 hour time limit. Duelist Kingdom Duel Rule Set: Rule 7: Players are limited to a 40 card main deck exactly. Rule 8: No side decking is permitted. Extra cards are confiscated before tournament. Rule 9: Cards won through duels can be side decked. Rule 10: Each Duelist begins with 2000 life points. Rule 11: Each player starts with 5 cards and then draw 1 to begin. Rule 12: You lose if your life points are reduced to 0. Rule 13: One normal summon per turn. Rule 14: Monster's summoned can be: Face up Attack/Face up Defense or Face down Defense. Rule 15: You can flip summon into face up attack or defense. Rule 16: High Level Monsters do not require tributes. Rule 17: If you control no monsters and are unable to summon before the end of their turn, they lose the duel. Rule 18: You can only attack once per turn. (Monsters with an effect that allows them to attack more than once?) Rule 19: Players cannot attack directly. Rule 20: If a monster is destroyed by card effect, Half its attack is dealt as damage. Rule 21: Monsters equipped to another are still treated as monsters. Rule 22: All spell cards are treated as quick-play spells. Rule 23: Fusion/Transformed Monsters are not physical cards. (Glossary Extra Deck) Rule 24: Ritual Monsters are kept outside of your main deck. Rule 25: Fusion/Ritual Materials must be on the field to be summoned. Rule 26: Traps are triggered when the activation requirement is met. Rule 27: Monsters of corresponding Type/Attribute to a field zone receive 30% ATK/DEF Boost. Rule 28: Monsters with a field power bonus negate opponent attack boosting spell cards applied to monsters without a field power bonus. Rule 29: Type specific effects may affect both sides of the field. Rule 30: All cards have the potential to do something, so long as it makes rational sense. (Roleplay)
okay. I actually really like this interpretation. because I actually love the idea that there's some creativity and strategy in a game like this that isn't just "play 20 cards on your first turn and win"... that and I love dnd and so being able to play a micro game of dnd as a card game sounds like fun
Honestly, I figured, after paying for the eye operation, Joey paid for the hospital room and anything left over went to improving his deck, leading to the Luck deck we all know and love.
If we operate by 2006 (Which I feel is wrong the tournament should have taken place in the late 90’s early 00’s) then 50,000 probably would have covered cost of the surgery (which not including hospital stay) is about 20,000 grand including hospitals stay is about 30-40 grand there were probably some medical debts that Joey had to cover as well as post hospital therapy leaving Joey with about 5-1 grand left to splurge
@@thegreyjedi2372 yeah a lot which explains why Joey decks get so much better (although I think Joey used a lot of it to move away from his dad and stuff so he probably had like 200 left still a lot)
0:26 You gotta remember, the tournament took place around 1998-1999 in the manga when the Japanese economy was in depression, which economists have dubbed "the Lost Decade", so 3 million yen was an assload of money. Not to mention it seemed that every combatant in Duelist Kingdom (sans a certain American... "in America" and perhaps Mai Kujaku/Valentine) hailed from Japan originally. It wasn't necessarily Squid Game, but it does highlight the financial insecurity of the time. And the dub making it 3 million dollars was likely because "eh, it's the same thing", even though financially, 3 million dollars is... 470 million yen!
Well... That is what he was in the anime. A fusion with one card. The extra deck was the fusion deck where changes also went. Remember those Nex cards of Jaden's? Or the Mask Change fusions? I presume later Konami just implemented them correctly and didn't bother to go back to change the cards they overbalanced early. Plus, in the anime, Time Magician could act as a spell. An early version of pseudo-pendulum. Having him in a Dark Magician deck in the early days to summon a card that can get you any spell would have been a great addition. Some support. Proper one, not a hundred random underpowered cards and it would have made dark magician competitive.
0:32 Going off of the manga, the timeline that is suggested which can be drawn up from Dark Sides of Dimensions, Duelist Kingdom took place in March - April 1997
It is what it is, but Takahashi Kazuki was just pulling stuff out of his rear to make exciting twists and turns when he was making the manga - this was before the game was adapted irl (around battle city arc in the manga). The anime still had to be faithful to the duelist kingdom duels unfortunately, but the story in S1 was really good at least. I like your point about the game being like dungeons and dragons, which might be what Takahashi was going for. I actually really like that take.
Since Takahashi (creator of YGO) did not want to focus on the card game. You see it makes more sense for the game to be closer to a RPG game than a actual card game the rules in a card game are way different compared to board games. If you ever want to watch game theory videos and the differences between card games/board games and game theory you should watch Kohdok, RUclips channel, he explains why you must make a card games rules such that it doesn't play like a board game. Just cards are used (in context of card games), but for duelist kingdom they have a holographic system to simulate the RPG elements. Why this would never work in the real world is also explained. (Kohdoks videos on seven deadly sins of card games)
Ok so Duelist kingdom had the 2000 life point rule... but meanwhile in the very first episode they started with 2000 life and also summoned high level monsters without tributes
I figure the Time Wizard's effect wiped out Mai's harpies, and fusing Thousand Dragon for a fun animation was just a formality to style it out, kinda like in D&D when you get to describe how you defeat the boss monster. Similarly, Castle of Dark Illusions collapsing was just a ridiculously overstylized effect of Catapult Turtle doing enough effect damage to the opponent. Duelist Kingdom reminds me a lot of Kangaroo Court in MtG.
Oddly enough. I'm pretty sure Dual Monsters was literally copyright safe Dungeons & Dragons. Also. Two interesting thoughts. 1) Since Yugi originally owned Time Wizard, that means Dark Sage was among one of his many strategies he had up his sleeve before giving it to Joey. How many duals hed could've pulled it out we'll never know. 2) With all the insane rules and combos we don't know about of the OG Dual Monsters, it's entirely possible there were a lot of cool things we missed out on. Maybe Time Wizard could change Blue Eyes White Dragon into a Blue Eyed Girl!?
For the second one, that literally sounds like you're talking out your ass. Time Wizard's effect specifically deals with aging monsters in the anime: Thousand Dragon is an older and more powerful version of Baby Dragon (and considering that manaketes in Fire Emblem can live for thousands of years, it makes sense in context), while Dark Sage is said to be Dark Magician having trained for 1000 years to master his magic. Also consider that Red Eyes Black Dragon was fossilized by Time Wizard's effect when Joey dueled Rex Raptor. What I'm getting at is that the effect of Time Wizard to change Blue Eyes White Dragon into a "Blue Eyed Girl" is ridiculously and hilariously illogical given how the effect was shown to work
I don't think its crazy to believe yugi would have dark sage in his deck remember he originally had time wizard in his deck before he left for the island he only gave the card to Joey on the boat so maybe it was already in his deck so he could use it in a combo like Joey does with baby dragon
While that's true, you also have to remember that once he gave Time Wizard to Joey he wouldn't be able to use the card anymore since it requires having Time Wizard to summon, so he'd essentially have a card in his deck that he wouldn't be able to use at that point, so why would he keep it in the deck? it would be like having Polymerization in a deck with no Fusions or Monster Reborn/Monster revival cards in a deck with no Monsters or Monsters that can't be revived with Monster Reborn, like cards that are Banished when destroyed instead of going to the GY, or cards not effected by Spells and such.
@@lordofninjas1 That card is not in his deck. It's a transformation and should be treated as their fusions, they exist based on charts and trial and error, not real cards. It's like Thousand dragon. So in the TCG shoul have come as a Fusion, not as a main deck card.
@@dancorneanu9144 while it's true that it is a sort of transformation card, the Anime itself has fusions, sure it doesn't always follow that a fusion card is the same in the show (Thousand Dragon, Giltia, Flame Swordsman, etc.) but fusions still exist. I can understand your feelings of wanting it to be a fusion and everything, I was always sort of confused as to why Valkyrion wasn't a fusion myself, and it's also true that the anime *seems to* not really have an extra deck in the traditional sense, but to say it's definitely one thing or not isn't exactly accurate. Could it be, sure, is it, unclear since the Anime sort of does it's own thing.
@@lordofninjas1 Not really. In the first season the fusions didn't exist. They worked based on charts and there was no extra deck. The cards didn't exist in more than the TCG made non-fusion cards into fusions. There was nothing like fusions. They were entity fusions, not cards. They could be represented in a scene (usually for the same reason 4Kids was ordered to repaint cards, even though they worked the same.) They were not real cards. Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon was really just a physical fusion of 3 Blue Eyes. It's fusion with Black Luster was just that. Black Luster on Ultimate. It was represented more accurately in some early videogames. In that you had no fusion and just experimented with card combos. Only later did they make actual Extra decks. But at this point, the fusions, changes and any alteration were not real cards. Being a change, like Thousand Dragon, means there would be no card for him. Like there is no card for Red Eyes Metal Dragon. It's Red Eyes with Metalmorph. Dark sage was just dark magician aged by Time Wizard. Translated by the same rules, he would be a fusion. Like those later Jaden Nex cards or Mask change. Valkyrion has an in universe card. It was showcased way later. I think in the Noah arc. Season one worked with Pegasus made rules, that were close to the egyptian game and were an RPG or Wargame with cards. It's possible that later Kaiba asked Industrail Illusion to manufacture the cards based on the game used before. So later they got Ultimate. Sage was not present at all later. that is in universe logic for the TCG influencing the anime.
@@dancorneanu9144 I understand that, at least the theory in the video, is that fusions didn't exist (or at least how you interpreted what was said in the video), and while I don't necessarily disagree, I do think there may be a bit more to it than just what's in the video, mainly that fusions did actually exist as actual cards during that time, but because of the rules that were present in Duelist Kingdom (namely the seeming 40 card limit, and how in the Anime most of the time fusions just sort of lived in the deck themselves and didn't actually have their own separate place and stuff like that) and how the fields were set up and everything it didn't allow for an actual Extra Deck Zone, but they still had to have those cards available for use somehow for those that wanted to use them and such, so they had them programmed in to make them available. Basically, not so much trial and error, moreso memorization, at least that's how it came across to me when watching the Anime, that they memorized the fusions and stuff since they seem confident it'll work and not "maybe this'll happen if I do this, but I have no clue" which would be more akin to trial and error. Doing a quick search myself, while it does appear that the TCG started releasing cards after the Anime started airing, looking at the Japanese cards and Anime that is the basis for the TCG and the English translation of the Anime (meaning the TCG and English translation wouldn't exist without these previously existing) it looks like the cards were releasing prior to the Anime, and Purple Fusion cards had released during that time, so they were in existence. I'm not recalling off hand any non-fusion cards turned into fusions, though it's been over a decade or so since I've seen any of the Anime, so my memory on that part may be a bit foggy, but I do recall a few Fusion cards (Flame Swordsman, Thousand Dragon, Giltia, etc.) that were treated like non-fusions. I'm aware Valkyrion was shown as an in-Universe card, what I was getting at with that is that it's a card that seems more like a fusion, but is not classified as such, in a similar manner to how Dark Sage seems to be a sort of fusion between Time Wizard and Dark Magician kinda, but it's also not classified as a fusion. Valkyrion was around during Battle City, I remember Yugi using it when he dueled Lumis and Umbra with Kaiba, and I think a couple times before then as well, and those duels took place before the Virtual World Arc that you are referencing. While it's true we don't see Dark Sage in the Anime after Duelist Kingdom, that doesn't mean it wasn't present or around because remember, he requires a very specific set up to be able to be played, and past Duelist Kingdom Yugi never really had that set up again, so he couldn't bring him out, which is why we never saw him. That's not to say Yugi wasn't side decking him just in case or whatever though.
you know what? now that youve explained the d&d rule, duelist kingdom makes like a million times more sense now *what is something I thought id never say*
Duelist Kingdom really feels like an overblown playtest of new mechanics in-universe. Likely for showing off field spells and determining how balanced the field effects are, changing how fusion worked into something that could work with anything, and potentially adding in video game-like extras like the Attack the Moon and destroy the flotation ring shenanigans. Field spells were obviously rebalanced before release, fusion changes were dropped due to just making too many possibilities and throwing in too much guesswork on the player-side and toned down into fusion monsters being their own cards and moved to the extra deck, while the weird creative video-gamey stuff was dropped for being too cryptic for most players to figure out.
One thing that you forgot about Duelist Kingdom, Zombies being unable to be killed by battle. Reference to Joey vs Bonz with Call of the Haunted. When it get killed in battle it regenerates and grows in power.
The field power bonus thing in duelist kingdom was of course very confusing, but honestly I liked this total chaos, because you never knew what will happen next.
Rule 17 In the duel Kaiba vs Pegasus when Pegasus destroyed all of Kaibas monster with his own crush card, we see Kaibas deck not as a stack but messed up laying around. He then picked up the only card that summon the only monster he could summon (Monster reborn to summon Saggi). (Season 1, Episode 27 if you want to rewatch it yourself) I'm confused, I always thought that you "can" pick a monster from your deck or the card that let you summon a card. That explained also to me why Mai always had Harpy in her hand when it's the only monster card in her deck.
For those bothered by the rules, think of it as the video said but instead of the d20, you have the arena system decide what will happen, not the player. The player can play based on his logic and the system will do what its programmed to do. Why did they do this? To promote the whole new hologram type of dueling and make the duels :more realistic". Anyway, the dnd dueling idea isnt bad, sounds fun, imma try it.
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The Duelist Kingdom is basically like playing an RPG with a completely stoned gamemaster.
"You attack the moon, which makes the ocean recede and strands all the water monsters? Yeah, sure, why not?"
I mean that sounds pretty cool in concept
*takes a hit* "You are also responsible for millions of monster deaths all over the monster world due to flooding. Harsh, dude. Also, werewolves are probably unable to transform now or something."
@@KertaDrake I’m shocked silver fang didn’t get to transform when you used the moon
Good thing Pharoah used his OP Guardian of the Stoner crush card. Aw yeah.
Thank God they didn't know Star Wars references:
"That's no Moon!"
"Explodia! Obliterate!!"
"Nooo, that's impossible! No one's ever done that!"
"Search your heart, cards, you know it to be True!"
You forced mammoth graveyard to fuse with blue eyes ultimate dragon.
I call shenanigans
So Yugioh with D&D rules honestly sounds amazing XD Also the idea that Yugi is always rolling crits on a D20 honestly makes perfect sense when you remember that the Millennium Puzzle's power is Probability Manipulation.
I always thought Dungeon Dice Monsters was Yugioh and D&D merged.
The version of yugioh we need but don't deserve
So my first reply was yeeted by YT for whatever reason. Anyway, there is 3/4th of a setting for CoC based on YuGiOh. Definitely worth a read, if you can find it.
(i would link it but that would probably get my reply disintegrated again)
@@JasonRBeing In the Toei series, there was also Monster World, which pretty much was D&D.
Given that Pegasus was trying to recreate the original system of summoning monsters that was done in ancient Egypt, which we later do get to see through the Pharaoh's memories, it makes Duelist Kingdom make a lot more sense.
GX/Zexal: I use a normal rule set only broken by magic shenanigans.
Arc-V/Vrains/5Ds/Battle City: I have 2 rule sets for specific situations.
Sevens: I use a simplified rule set!
Duelist Kingdom: Wait, you guys have rules?
Say it with me: “Screw the rules, I have money!”
What was Battle City’s alternate format?
Aren’t we explaining the rules right now?
@@KaoruMzk I kinda lump in all post-battle city arc with it
KC Grand Prix plays %100 by the rules, except Golden Castle being a hacked card
I think the last two dueling rules should be combined and it just be "Shenanigans are allowed so long as they are logical". 🤣
Nice try dweeb, but my Machine Monsters are coated in 'Magic-resistant Armor' lawl. What kinda freaking Machine that YOU know of is resistant to Magic?!
@@floodinmon14 my battle ox is resistant to fire because its attribute is EARTH, nevermind this is never bought up again
@@scantyer Wait Joey! The Minotaur is resistant to Fire! ...........NOw He tells me............ lol.
This also does not apply to future Battle Ox Retrains either. They could have easily had a future Retrain say like "this card gains 500 ATK when Battling a Pryo-type or FIRE Monster," but no, Nothing.
You can't change of heart a machine, it has NO heart!!!
Ha! That may be so, but that means you CANNOT monster reborn your machine either! Last I checked, machines lack SOULS!
BUT MY SHAD0W-SPECTRE IS SUR0UND 0F SM0KE THUS IS NESISARY GUESING WICH 0F 5- ( \ 3) PLACES MY SHAD0W-SPECTRE STAYS
I always thought of the duelist kingdom simulating an actual battle, like on a tabletop. If you look at it from say dnd perspective a lot of the moves and combos make sense, after all the original game wizard and monsters was a simulation of two wizards summoning monsters and battling.
That could have been an interesting alternative dueling style, I like that
And as we learn at the end of the series, the final season was actually a tabletop RPG. So really makes sense. Great point and great vid
Oh Yeah, the guy who made the manga was a big fan of Tabletop RPGs.... in fact, the last non-duel monsters game payed in the manga right before the Duelist Kingdom arc began was a Tabletop RPG (called Monster World).... and the final arc in the memory world was one as well (conveniently enough, both were orchestrated by the same guy).
So it should be no surprise that before the rules were fully fleshed out (as was the case for duelist kingdom) a lot of elements from those types of games were being used when writing the duels.
Considering how the field in the manga didn’t have monster or s/t zones, it makes sense
The original intention was for Duel Monsters to be a tabletop RPG.
The dub is based on the US medical system. 3 million barely covered the bandages.
No.
There’s one rule I’ve found about someone using Exodia to win: When a player won with Exodia the Forbidden One, a player laid out all 5 cards on the field for the computer system to recognize it as a victory condition.
I think that's because the battle station doesn't recognize cards unless they're set on the field. Therefore, any cards with an effect that happens in you hand must be played.
If you won with exodia you have to throw the pieces into the ocean tho
Source? This is pretty cool because Pegasus must've heard about Yugi summoning Exodia against Kaiba and *specifically* added that ruling to the system
Well, just because "No one's ever been able to summon him!!!1!!" doesn't mean someone couldn't at some point, so the computer would have needed that rule either way; and if Pegasus created those cards, he intended for that win condition to be possible (albeit difficult - see quoted meme). But having to lay down the five cards on the field to confirm they were in the hand does sound like it'd be a requirement with that system - or with anything that came after, like Kaiba's Duel Disks.
@@AkerreBeHere Doubtful, my impression is laying the cards on the field is more of a pro forma thing so the computer recognizes the victory condition like @Rainbow Dragon said. But either you're allowed to remove any monsters on the field first or it doesn't matter *where* on the field they're played. The card effect's text in the anime just says "You win the duel", and keep in mind there have been situations, even in the anime, where a duel arena/disk was not used (Yugi vs Bakura, Yugi's timed duel against Pegasus, the duels on the ship, etc.).
“Logically, If I light my Red Eyes on Fire and summon it, It doubles its Attack and cannot be destroyed by battle but is disintegrated at the end of the turn”
I'd argue a monster in that position would slowly have his flesh and bone seared away while being in extreme pain, therefore it's attack and defense would rather slowly whittle away
0:25 Actually, the events of the series, according to the manga, start in 1996 and end with Dark Side of Dimensions in ~1999
So ,really, the prize money during Duelist Kingdom would probably be a bit higher
The timeline of the tech makes no sense with GX
@@leeeyles1864 I think by the end of gx it is shown that it is 2007. But yeah, Dark side of dimensions does pose a lot of questions about the tech that we don't see in gx
Fair but the anime and manga are different canons
@@leeeyles1864 that's because the movie follows the manga canon
I think the entire DM anime takes place in 1994, and GX starts at 2004 and ends in 2006.
While the Original manga takes place in 1996 and ends in 1997, with DSOD taking place in 1998-1999.
And yes technology is more advanced in the Yu-gi-oh world.
The Duelist Kingdom has the closest fights in the series (with exception of Dartz) to how the original ancient Egyptian fights were portrayed.
There is also the time in GX when Johan used Saphire Pegasus to battle against the Harpy Sisters
Seeing that was Pegasus's original ideea, it makes sense. Kaiba wanted to streamline it.
In which sesne? Eventually all seasons have them betting souls
@@albertoandrade9807 I think he means the rules. Instead of a rigid form of ruling based on card games (in universe made by Kaiba), this battle style was about mages using real creatures that could interact in a 3D space. Even the spells had multiple effects. For example something like Giant Soldier of Stone was something more than a monster with big defense. It was a real entity, with properties, size, presence... It could be used as a stepping stool etc. Lightning travels thru water. The moon had a physical presence. The original duels were between mages who used actual creatures that could change the landscape. The damage was more than mental. It was physical. Think Pokemon battles in the anime vs Pokemon TCG.
Might have actually been part of the plan. Making it closer to the original form might have somehow made it easier for Pegasus to invoke a Shadow Game since he was probably figuring out how to use the eye on his own.
If Serenity was getting full-on retina transplants, I could see it being 3 million. But I’m pretty sure her issue was cataracts or glaucoma, and those are significantly cheaper to treat.
The real expenses were the American Healthcare system...
To be fair, he still has his dad’s gambling debts to worry about.
@@pn2294 Ooh, I totally forgot all about that! Since the anime never touched on it, I don’t really think about his dad a lot. His mom’s a real prize for only taking Serenity. 😒
@@WhiteRaven696 Japan doesn’t have joint custody (though you have to wonder why she couldn’t get both of them), so they probably ended up with a Solomon Divorce
Did you watch Digimon? Matt and T.K. had a similar family relationship. So did Koji and Koichi.
@@WhiteRaven696
IKR Mother of the year
My pet theory is that Duel Monsters in the anime always has some degree of ancient egyptian magic behind it allowing certain crazy things to happen, and Pegasus was deliberately tapping into that for the Duelist Kingdom tournament, which is why so many of the rules are crazy, arbitrary, and specific, as well as why the duelists weren't given a full rulebook going in, so they'd have to intuit things for themselves and unconsciously tap in to that magic.
I’m a year late but this headcanon is dope.
I mean Yugi orignally owned the time wizard so i'm asusming he planned to use along with dark magician to summon dark sage like how joey uses it with baby dragon to summon thousand dragon - I don't understand why some people draw issue from it.
Well some people see it as Yugi Booby-trapping Joeys deck to ensure his victory. Clearly that wasn't what happened but people are cynical like that.
I don’t see it as Yugi booby trapping Joey’s deck. There’s no way he could have known that he was going to have to duel Joey. He just exploited an opportunity knowing that Joey uses Time Wizard.
@@nightwing179 Exactly my thoughts on this. The way I see it, Yugi gave Time Wizard to Joey because he knew it had a potentially really powerful effect that could help him out in his duels, and he knew that Joey's deck as it was originally wasn't exactly very good; the latter point is why, if you recall, he actually advises Joey to trade for new cards with other people on board the ship on their way to Duelist Kingdom
Yugi vs Joey didn't even happen in the manga; that was an anime-only thing anyways. If Joey never had Time Wizard, he would've lost against Mai and Rex, so people are twisting Yugi's kindness way too far.
Funny enough in the manga Yugi and joey didn't even duel and Joey stepped down so Yugi can duel Pegasus with out revealing any of his strategies
Joey deck was heavily updated through DM, I always thought Joey pocketed the left over money and slowly purchased cards for his deck.
From Grandpa, naturally
@@bluemew22 this means yugi has the money
I could see Kaiba dangling moderately effective cards in front of Joey and offering to sell them at a discount in exchange for Joey saying things like "Kaiba is the best duelist ever" in public.
Makes sense, his money after all.
@@KertaDrake "I'm a third rate duelist with a fourth rate deck!"
"Okay here's Graceful Dice for your shitty 500 attack monsters."
To be fair to Joey needing all $3 million for the operation in the dub they are in America so he very well might have actually needed it all.
Replies are taking this joke way too serious.
Not even close. It would have to be an extreme amount of things needing to be fixed to get in the millions. Extracapsular cataract surgery for example costs roughly 1200 in the US
50000 is way too much let alone 3 mill
Welcome to the experience of the ignorant, the only truly shocking prices in us healthcare are ambulance rides, everything else though expensive is not "be millionaire or die" (especially if you actually have insurance which most people do).
@@janehrahan5116 I have insurance, but I still admit prices without are absurd. How can you justify the summary report I got back about what my insurance covered said 12k for a simple checkup at the family doctor. Yeah, Healthcare is expensive in America.
Serenity probably has an autoimmune disease that attacks her eyes and the 3 Million covers not only the surgery, but a treatment plan where she'll be able to get regular surgery or drugs or something every year to maintain her eyesight for the rest of her life.
the last rule made it much more fun to watch even if it doesnt make sense in today's ygo standards. Could be fun to see more of that stuff in a spinoff
Fun fact about the D&D origins: Blue Eyes White Dragon and Five Headed Dragon are based off of Bahamut/Paladine and Tiamat/Takhisis respectively
Plenty of people have already commented on this I’m sure, but my understanding is that Season One Duel Monsters was equal parts Trading Card Game, and D&D style RPG. This makes perfect sense to me because Kazuki Takahashi was always very clear that his favorite kind of games were tabletop RPG’s. This is evident by the very fact that the final shadow game of the series was one massive Tabletop RPG between Yugi and Bakura.
I always thought the Magic Arrow/Blue Eyes/Mammoth Graveyard fusion would have made more sense if it just destroyed the end result. Because it was now technically part of Yugi's deck, it would have just been destroyed by the Crush Card Virus. Of course with the "Logical Sense" ruling, I wouldn't have been shocked if the virus would then "Spread" to Kaiba's deck.
When I first got into yugioh I followed the duelist kingdom duel rules , when I first dueled someone just played Blue Eyes without paying tributes to summon it they were like what are you doing lol
Transformation rule also applies to Black Skull Dragon. No way Joey or Yugi had that card
The fusion thing worked in a similar way in the videogames. The early ones. Where you had to gather the materials and by trial and error, you discovered the fusions.
Mirror Force doesn't do that. It actualky redirects the attack back at all enemies. So the difference between each enemy and the attacker is dealt to the opponent.
That's true; I think the best example of this is in Yugi's duel with Pegasus. When Pegasus attacks with Toon Summoned Skull, Yugi actives Mirror Force, causing the attack to hit all of Pegasus's monsters: he lost 1100 from Toon Mermaid (which had 1400 attack) and 300 from Manga Ryu Ran (which had 2200 attack), causing Pegasus to suffer 1400 points of damage
Also, Weevil just outright cheated during that duel- he had enough monsters on the field to wipe out his life points entirely from this, but one of them wasn’t added
The only rule they should have kept was Ritual monsters being on the extra deck. They'd be so much better but they don't get a lot of play because garnets
I bring you megaliths and necroz
@@coyotekono7138 nekroz isn't good anymore. Drytron is busted
tbh i disagree, i love ritual summoning with my supreme ruin and demise deck in master duel. feels like an actual ritual because i need all the pieces in my hand, and part of the fun is running an engine to get them. sure it can be bricky, but ive optimized it pretty well now!
Honestly duelist kingdom format looks pretty fun, although I do see the obvious problem of people just making blue eyes have an op effect like destroying everything on field and burning your opponent. It would be still be cool though to have an official format like this
I think a way to fix this is to move the wholr thing into digital space (at least partially) and program all of the interactions beforehand. Also give all the monsters more detailed descriptions of what they can do, so players would use that as a base to start experimenting with various monsters, spells, traps and terrain combinations.
@@kindlingking i think the "obvious" way to fix this would be to just have a live judge play DM to talk about the scene and what takes effect
Wouldnt be great and is open to bias but itd be the only way to do those last rules well
@@colmecolwag D&D is basically that, and I don't think most D&D players feel cheated. I think it would be very interesting to see a duel like that, I think the hardest part would be keeping track of the effects
@@JojonathanOliveira This is definitely where the Duelist's Handbook (likely an electronic compendium...) would come in handy.
@@kindlingking Well that is what happened. Those make things make sense moments were also dependent on the computer. So those interactions were inside that dueling computer, and the people just needed to think them thru.
You can tell TGS isn't America when he's surprised and in disbelief by a several million dollar fee for a medical operation. If anything, that's one of the few things the dub gets right.
Especially since the anime implies that the operation is risky or requires a number of specialists that would definitely drive up the price add that to a likely long surgery and post operation care and 3 million mine just be enough
@@jmurray1110might* just be enough
Suggestion: Was Bakura Really About to Defeat Kaiba?
Honestly, the rpg element of the last rule is what made the anime so fun to watch. Of course it would be harder to watch as a player thinking to yourself "that's not how the rules work, that doesn't make sense", from the rpg perspective like you said, it does, and I think it was just so cool how yugi would try and think of logical ways to do some rpg combo to win the duel. This lack of rules made the show fun to watch (at least for someone who didn't know the rules)
You know, if we take out rules like the last one and the type/attribute advantage and the reason that we’re put in due to them not having set rule for the actual game at the time and leave the by invite and no side decks and the field power bonus then this would be a pretty fun tournament to hold IRL! Also, since they made a card based off of Curse of Dragons + Burning the Land, then maybe Konami could make a card based off of Mammoth Graveyard + Polymerization + Living Arrow. It would have an effect that equips it to an opposing monster an causes it to lose 1200 ATK at the start of each of their turns, however if the opponent discards a normal spell they can restore their monsters ATK (it doesn’t get rid of the mammoth retrain but it does delay the power loss)!
Another very important rule which applied across all of season 1, is that both players start the duel with only 2000 life points. Which when you consider all the other rules, makes a lot of sense because those duels do not need to be dragged out any longer.
And yet we have the 5 part Match of the Millennium Yugi vs Pegasus
@@Shantae1188 Can you imagine that with 8000 life points? It would basically be a 20 episode duel. I wouldn't put it past them to have tried that or at least considered the idea.
@@Gfreak250 It’s funny that Dark Side of Dimensions shows 8000 Life Point duels but are still very quick
@@Shantae1188 I think they knew the rules of the game by that point. Season 1 however, the rules were more like suggestions.
@@Gfreak250 True.
Kazuki Takahashi loves TTRPGs, so it makes sense for him to implement a rule where if you can narratively justify something you want your card to do, you can do it.
TO BE FAIR, if the procedure was happening in the USA, then 3 million dollars makes absolute sense
We sometimes play it like Duelist Kingdom for the fun of it, if we can justify it then it happens. Like a fusion of YGO and table top. Anyone who is creative enough and have good counter arguments usually wins.
Ex. Since Dark Magician is the ultimate wizard in terms of attack and defense it is immune to other spellcasters.
bless you, sir, for making an attempt at deciphering the chaos that is the rules of "Duelist Kingdom" lmaoo
Most of this list just reminded me of your "top 10 shenanigans" video, which ironically, I watched again recently just because it came up in my feed.
Am I the only one who wants an actual Yu-gi-oh game based exactly off the duelist kingdom anime rules?
Anyone else wish rituals were in another extra deck? I WISH
These rules are why Yugi's Grandpa's deck was so op. There was insane variety and synergy within that variety. This allowed him to be able to pull off some crazy moves out of nowhere. There was some "heart of the cards" bs, but on it's own, that deck was insane under that ruleset. Pegasus's deck was similarly broken because it took that ruleset and slapped it in the face with absurdities like toon monsters.
Ah I love these videos! Sooo fun to watch!
The past few days I tried to make up the DK rules myself and have some fun with my friends during the holidays. This makes it so much easier!! I would also like to add my own brief thoughts:
1) the ritual monsters ARE inside each duelist's deck, but can be called out from the ritual spell procedure, even when in deck. Or, also logical, all alternative monster types (fusion, ritual, effect result monsters) are all "transform category" monster types.
2) there seems to be a huge vagueness, about the pure stats power of the monsters inside a deck in Duelist Kingdom. In fact, one could easily pick the strongest ones yet and place them in their respective decks, making them practically invincible.
One thing I can mention here, is that it helps to point out that in DK (and, also, later on on the series), monster cards (at least the powerful ones) exist only in copies of one (with some exceptions, like Blue Eyes for obvious reasons). This fact makes Joey's Red eyes a legendary card and explains all the hype when someone sees the card in action. And, of course, this applies in many more cases as well.
Unfortunately, we stay with no light about what regulations would take place for the monsters power inside the deck.
Could someone just include high level monsters? Could those be, like, only 5? And if so, 3 lf them must not have more than 2300 attack power -you see where Im going with this.
Maybe if we could fill this gap, we could have all the rules of DK in our hands and apply them for fun.
Anyways, just my opinion. Again, great content!
My guess is that good cards in general ar e just very rare
The Living Arrow/Polymerization/Mammoth Graveyard doesn't even require the "If you can describe it you can do it" caveat. All cards are operating exactly as they should, no extra shenanigans required. The rule that enables that combo is actually way earlier in your list under the massive list of fusions rule. It can be safely assumed that the "Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon + Mammoth Graveyard" fusion (let's call it Blue-Eyes Ultimate Rotting Dragon) is the same as Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon but losing 1000 ATK per turn (could be useful). Living Arrow enables the Polymerization target so everything is 100% by the stated card rules.
But what rule states that the fusion goes to your oponents field and not yours if you made the fusion?
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu That is due to the Living Arrow which is required to use your opponents monster. I should have mentioned that this does assume that the Polymerization card operates a little differently which considering it is the most errata'd card in Yugioh is not hard to believe (have you seen the 1st edition text?). The way it seems to operate in the anime is that you choose 1 monster and fuse another into it, which the other fusions in DK seem to support. In other words Fusion (in DK) is something you do to a monster rather than a summoning.
Edit: To further support this theory in this same duel Kaiba has to summon his Blue-Eyes White Dragon in order to cast Polymerization on it. So it definitely seems like it has to target a creature.
@@tinkerer3399 what you suggest kinda suggest that combining blue eyes + baby dragon is different to baby dragon + blue eyes because if Yugi can choose to resolve the effect on BEUD that means he can apply it to the mammoth, which basically means you havea ridicuously amount of combinations + the inverse order combinations, since the fusion monster don't exist every monster is a posible target for polymerization, in the Duelist Kingdom make sense because the duels are controled by a machine/computer but it's shown sometimes that people plays the game on regular tables, do those players need to memorize the stats and effects of all posible combinations to use fusions?
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu I don't know about the first part of your statement. While it is true that you could either combine Blue Eyes into Baby Dragon or Baby Dragon into Blue Eyes I don't recall ever saying that it would give you two different monsters.
For the second part, yeah that would probably be right. People would be forced to carry around a book just for the results of Polymerization. Probably why they changed the card effects in universe. Remember that in this duel Kaiba summoned Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon without a BEUD card.
Or there are alternate possibilities. Kaiba mentions that he combined Mystic Horseman with Battle Ox because they are both mythical creatures and hence are supposed to both be compatible. It could be that all incompatible monster combinations just create a version of the targeted monster that loses 1000 ATK per turn. That would drastically cut down on the number of creatable monsters and change it from a whole book of monsters to a smaller section within the general rule book. Still a pain in the butt to have to reference it but far fewer pages than a whole book of just monsters for 1 card.
The standard rules are that living and unliving monsters are not to be fused. They are incompatible. The living arrow makes the monster target an opposite monster for a fusion. We have Fusion cards that work on opposite monsters. Is not that the specific fusion is not woking, but all fusions like that would create a similar effect. It rots bececause it is wrong.
The thing with a Rule Book was reinforced by Tea and the duelists reactions. They need to remember all those interactions or look it somewhere. The computer has them in itself and they need to find them by trial and error or just know it. Tea said "If only I remembered what this does". It's tabletop rules , but with the incentive to hide and Ruleshark your opponent.
Honestly, some of these rules are far superior to modern competitive tournament rules, and I would love to see modern Yu-Gi-Oh decks played with Duelist Kingdom rules
Most of these rules really hindered Joey more than anyone else,
Like Battle Ox being immune to fire even though Flame Swordsman had more attack
It helped Joey's ass against Rex with Flame Swordsman solo-killing all of Rex's dinos and made him bring out the big guns (AKA Dragons) at the very least.
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To elaborate further on RULE 29, there is actually a chart in the Duel Monsters GameBoy games that goes into the specific match ups. It goes as follows:
Monsters: Water > Fire > Wood > Wind > Earth > Lightning > Water
Magic-Users: Black Magic > White Magic > Demon Magic > Illusion Magic > Black Magic
For those that'd like to see the visual breakdown, the chart is on Yugipedia on the Duel Monsters page, under Standard.
14:55 ....NO! You're ATTACKING the MOOOOOON! The big, spherical satellite located IN SPACE! You'd NEVER reach, let alone successfully destroy it
I guess to streamline some of the DnD like rules you could say a rule is that ANY object on the field, be it objects manifested by spells (the moon) or the field itself can be interacted with by Monsters attacks or abilities.
Yugi's duel with Bandit Keith should also be considered. While it wasn't a part of Duelist Kingdom rules, it was being played with "standard", "quick-play", 2000 LP rules. Just like how LP draining cards weren't allowed in Battle City, monster destruction cards weren't allowed in Duelist Kingdom. People can say that characters are "breaking the rules", but the reality is that there are different rulesets in the anime, as well as different cards effects. It also stands to reason that some cards might have different effects under different rulesets.
"My Blue-Eyes is an ancient spirit and is therefore unaffected by your time wizard"
Lol
One thing to note is how monsters had various strengths and weaknesses. Like how we found out that dinosaurs were weak against fire. Hence why Joey's Flame Swordsman for a short while put a halt to Rex's dinos.
Heyyy. Last month I started to watch Yugioh again, because of nostalgia. And your channel is a blessing for me. And I was wondering about duel from 5th season. Ziegried vs Kaiba idk why but I still think that Zigfried von Schroeder should have won this duel. It would be great hearing your thoughts about this duel.
A modification to Rule 23 (Fusion/Transformed Monsters Are Not Physical Cards): If you do have the physical copy of a Fusion monster, you can just add it to your deck and use it as a regular main deck monster.
Flame Swordsman is the main example but there are a few others that are treated this way and, in at least the English dub, the physical cards are shown to be purple so they're legit Fusion Monsters even though they don't need fusion materials or polymerization to be brought out.
all cards have the potential to do something, if it makes logical sense
*I PUNCH THE MOON!!!!*
Someone should powerscale Giant Soldier of Stone
Pegasus: You'll never defeat me with my Millennium Eye!
Serenity: *removes her bandages*
I love the dnd aspect of it, it really is just "hey, I think this is how this should work because XYX" and you argued your point well enough that the DM is just like "*Fine*, i guess that makes sense." And you get your funny magic item
I mean nothing in the tournament rules prevented Kaiba from using his dual technology didn't Yugi lose like five star chips at the end of the dual because Kaiba's emo strategy
There also seemed to be a rule where if one monster had lower attack points, but still had an advantage over the opponent, it could still destroy the other card. Example, when Mokuba used his stolen cards against Yugi, he summoned the Man-Eating Plant with 2000 attack with no bonus, but Yugi was able to beat it with his Winged Dragon with only 1400 attack, and Mokuba lost the 600 point difference. The dub tried to lean into "The Heart of the Cards" by saying a stolen deck wouldn't work for him, but it was really just the special rules, since the Winged Dragon had an advantage either because it could fly or because it could breath fire, or maybe both.
That Sharingan edit on Serenity with the Sasuke theme was just *kisses fingers all closed together Italian style, raises it to the sky* 🤌🏼
I really wish Ritual Monsters were played in the extra deck, I'm pretty sure they would be played a hell of a lot more.
Agreed.
Especially since most extra deck monsters these days are far superior to the vast majority of ritual monsters, let alone the practically unplayable garbage rituals of the early days. Even back when the game was new, Hungry Burger was a terrible, TERRIBLE, choice for your deck. Still good for a laugh though if you dust it off and beat someone with it.
Loved the video!
Also I think all the later rules / effects found in the tcg are actually in Duelist Kingdom but they are not specified as rules yet. For example, the mammoth that makes the Ultimate Dragon decay is probably the inspiration for monsters that can be equiped to an opponent's card (like Gilfer and many others). The field power bonus of the island is the origin of the field spell cards. Quickplay spell cards were added afterwards but were already used as you explained. The Curse of Dragon is actually used as an effect monster (it consistently destroys the opponent field spell of Mako and of Haga) so effect monster was already getting important at this time even though the design doesn't show it.
The specific monsters that act as traps or spells are Pendulums.
I'll be honest with you, I think that some of the duelist kingdom rules came in my personal opinion, because in the manga and even in Yugioh zero the game is not called duel monsters but wizards and monsters, so according to that a bit like in D&D the game is between two wizards who fight each other with monsters, Magic and traps (which is also a kind of magic from the way I see it) What do you guys think?
So, Kazuki Takahashi (R.I.P) was a HUGE fan of tabletop RPGs. That's why duelist kingdom had the ruleset it did, because he wanted to mix up duel monsters with a dnd-style ruleset. The tables they played on in the manga were even structured as a grid, and the labyrinth duel was the biggest example of the dnd style, being a literal dungeon.
Fun fact, Yugi vs Mako duel inspired the creation of a card called Attack the Moon!
it's effect is: Once per turn, when the battle position of a Rock-Type monster you control is changed: You can target 1 Spell/Trap Card your opponent controls; destroy that target.
Duelist Kingdom Tournament Rules:
Note: Duelist Kingdom is split into two parts: A qualifying session and a final.
Rule 1: Duelist Kingdom is Invite only.
Rule 2: Each Duelist invited receives a welcome pack. (5 card/2 star chips)
Rule 3: Star chips must be wagered in every duel.
Rule 4: 10 star chips are required to qualify for the finals.
Rule 5: The loss of all star chips or having less than 10 at the end of the qualifying session time limit are eliminated.
Rule 6: Qualifying session is a Battle Royal with a 48 hour time limit.
Duelist Kingdom Duel Rule Set:
Rule 7: Players are limited to a 40 card main deck exactly.
Rule 8: No side decking is permitted. Extra cards are confiscated before tournament.
Rule 9: Cards won through duels can be side decked.
Rule 10: Each Duelist begins with 2000 life points.
Rule 11: Each player starts with 5 cards and then draw 1 to begin.
Rule 12: You lose if your life points are reduced to 0.
Rule 13: One normal summon per turn.
Rule 14: Monster's summoned can be: Face up Attack/Face up Defense or Face down Defense.
Rule 15: You can flip summon into face up attack or defense.
Rule 16: High Level Monsters do not require tributes.
Rule 17: If you control no monsters and are unable to summon before the end of their turn, they lose the duel.
Rule 18: You can only attack once per turn. (Monsters with an effect that allows them to attack more than once?)
Rule 19: Players cannot attack directly.
Rule 20: If a monster is destroyed by card effect, Half its attack is dealt as damage.
Rule 21: Monsters equipped to another are still treated as monsters.
Rule 22: All spell cards are treated as quick-play spells.
Rule 23: Fusion/Transformed Monsters are not physical cards. (Glossary Extra Deck)
Rule 24: Ritual Monsters are kept outside of your main deck.
Rule 25: Fusion/Ritual Materials must be on the field to be summoned.
Rule 26: Traps are triggered when the activation requirement is met.
Rule 27: Monsters of corresponding Type/Attribute to a field zone receive 30% ATK/DEF Boost.
Rule 28: Monsters with a field power bonus negate opponent attack boosting spell cards applied to monsters without a field power bonus.
Rule 29: Type specific effects may affect both sides of the field.
Rule 30: All cards have the potential to do something, so long as it makes rational sense. (Roleplay)
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okay. I actually really like this interpretation. because I actually love the idea that there's some creativity and strategy in a game like this that isn't just "play 20 cards on your first turn and win"... that and I love dnd and so being able to play a micro game of dnd as a card game sounds like fun
“Rational sense”
Yugi: “I ATTACK THE MOON!”
Honestly, I figured, after paying for the eye operation, Joey paid for the hospital room and anything left over went to improving his deck, leading to the Luck deck we all know and love.
If we operate by 2006 (Which I feel is wrong the tournament should have taken place in the late 90’s early 00’s) then 50,000 probably would have covered cost of the surgery (which not including hospital stay) is about 20,000 grand including hospitals stay is about 30-40 grand there were probably some medical debts that Joey had to cover as well as post hospital therapy leaving Joey with about 5-1 grand left to splurge
@@adrianawilliams4810 Yes, but I meant the 3 million bucks, not the yen.
@@thegreyjedi2372 well I don’t know how much the 3 mil would be worth today but your reply sounds right (also I was agreeing with you)
@@adrianawilliams4810 Oh. Oops. Sorry for sniping, then. Still, even in 99 or 06 terms, a grand would buy a LOT of cards.
@@thegreyjedi2372 yeah a lot which explains why Joey decks get so much better (although I think Joey used a lot of it to move away from his dad and stuff so he probably had like 200 left still a lot)
0:26 You gotta remember, the tournament took place around 1998-1999 in the manga when the Japanese economy was in depression, which economists have dubbed "the Lost Decade", so 3 million yen was an assload of money. Not to mention it seemed that every combatant in Duelist Kingdom (sans a certain American... "in America" and perhaps Mai Kujaku/Valentine) hailed from Japan originally. It wasn't necessarily Squid Game, but it does highlight the financial insecurity of the time.
And the dub making it 3 million dollars was likely because "eh, it's the same thing", even though financially, 3 million dollars is... 470 million yen!
My opinion: dark sage should be a fusion that can be summoned like a normal fusion monster and by contact fusion
Well... That is what he was in the anime. A fusion with one card. The extra deck was the fusion deck where changes also went. Remember those Nex cards of Jaden's? Or the Mask Change fusions? I presume later Konami just implemented them correctly and didn't bother to go back to change the cards they overbalanced early.
Plus, in the anime, Time Magician could act as a spell. An early version of pseudo-pendulum. Having him in a Dark Magician deck in the early days to summon a card that can get you any spell would have been a great addition. Some support. Proper one, not a hundred random underpowered cards and it would have made dark magician competitive.
0:32 Going off of the manga, the timeline that is suggested which can be drawn up from Dark Sides of Dimensions, Duelist Kingdom took place in March - April 1997
I’m glad you brought up the money thing, I’d be like “you know what, sis, I think you’ve seen enough”
It is what it is, but Takahashi Kazuki was just pulling stuff out of his rear to make exciting twists and turns when he was making the manga - this was before the game was adapted irl (around battle city arc in the manga). The anime still had to be faithful to the duelist kingdom duels unfortunately, but the story in S1 was really good at least. I like your point about the game being like dungeons and dragons, which might be what Takahashi was going for. I actually really like that take.
Man id love a duelist kingdom rules tournament. Just to see how outside the box people could take it
Since Takahashi (creator of YGO) did not want to focus on the card game. You see it makes more sense for the game to be closer to a RPG game than a actual card game the rules in a card game are way different compared to board games. If you ever want to watch game theory videos and the differences between card games/board games and game theory you should watch Kohdok, RUclips channel, he explains why you must make a card games rules such that it doesn't play like a board game. Just cards are used (in context of card games), but for duelist kingdom they have a holographic system to simulate the RPG elements. Why this would never work in the real world is also explained. (Kohdoks videos on seven deadly sins of card games)
Broad game lol
"3 million is too much to pay for eye surgery"
Spoken like a true non-american
I love how you downplayed Yami burning down an ENTIRE forest to get rid of the FPB as "singed grass" XD
Ok so Duelist kingdom had the 2000 life point rule... but meanwhile in the very first episode they started with 2000 life and also summoned high level monsters without tributes
Which means that the rules used in DK were the normal rules that were used before Battle City
DK rules were normal rules+ Field Power Bonus +Competition rules.
Ahh. This is the best explanation of my childhood favorite I’ve ever listened to.
I love how it’s a rule that “if you can make sense of it it can happen”
Very smooth ad transition. Well now I can say I can duel like Duelist Kingdom
Edit: Awesome you can call your Phone from the Wallet and vice versa
Don't forget if Mystical elf start chanting when you summon it you can give Mystical Elf's attack power to another monster.
I figure the Time Wizard's effect wiped out Mai's harpies, and fusing Thousand Dragon for a fun animation was just a formality to style it out, kinda like in D&D when you get to describe how you defeat the boss monster.
Similarly, Castle of Dark Illusions collapsing was just a ridiculously overstylized effect of Catapult Turtle doing enough effect damage to the opponent.
Duelist Kingdom reminds me a lot of Kangaroo Court in MtG.
1:13 no she was getting it in america without insurance.
Oddly enough. I'm pretty sure Dual Monsters was literally copyright safe Dungeons & Dragons.
Also. Two interesting thoughts.
1) Since Yugi originally owned Time Wizard, that means Dark Sage was among one of his many strategies he had up his sleeve before giving it to Joey. How many duals hed could've pulled it out we'll never know.
2) With all the insane rules and combos we don't know about of the OG Dual Monsters, it's entirely possible there were a lot of cool things we missed out on. Maybe Time Wizard could change Blue Eyes White Dragon into a Blue Eyed Girl!?
For the second one, that literally sounds like you're talking out your ass. Time Wizard's effect specifically deals with aging monsters in the anime: Thousand Dragon is an older and more powerful version of Baby Dragon (and considering that manaketes in Fire Emblem can live for thousands of years, it makes sense in context), while Dark Sage is said to be Dark Magician having trained for 1000 years to master his magic. Also consider that Red Eyes Black Dragon was fossilized by Time Wizard's effect when Joey dueled Rex Raptor. What I'm getting at is that the effect of Time Wizard to change Blue Eyes White Dragon into a "Blue Eyed Girl" is ridiculously and hilariously illogical given how the effect was shown to work
I don't think its crazy to believe yugi would have dark sage in his deck remember he originally had time wizard in his deck before he left for the island he only gave the card to Joey on the boat so maybe it was already in his deck so he could use it in a combo like Joey does with baby dragon
While that's true, you also have to remember that once he gave Time Wizard to Joey he wouldn't be able to use the card anymore since it requires having Time Wizard to summon, so he'd essentially have a card in his deck that he wouldn't be able to use at that point, so why would he keep it in the deck? it would be like having Polymerization in a deck with no Fusions or Monster Reborn/Monster revival cards in a deck with no Monsters or Monsters that can't be revived with Monster Reborn, like cards that are Banished when destroyed instead of going to the GY, or cards not effected by Spells and such.
@@lordofninjas1 That card is not in his deck. It's a transformation and should be treated as their fusions, they exist based on charts and trial and error, not real cards. It's like Thousand dragon. So in the TCG shoul have come as a Fusion, not as a main deck card.
@@dancorneanu9144 while it's true that it is a sort of transformation card, the Anime itself has fusions, sure it doesn't always follow that a fusion card is the same in the show (Thousand Dragon, Giltia, Flame Swordsman, etc.) but fusions still exist. I can understand your feelings of wanting it to be a fusion and everything, I was always sort of confused as to why Valkyrion wasn't a fusion myself, and it's also true that the anime *seems to* not really have an extra deck in the traditional sense, but to say it's definitely one thing or not isn't exactly accurate. Could it be, sure, is it, unclear since the Anime sort of does it's own thing.
@@lordofninjas1 Not really. In the first season the fusions didn't exist. They worked based on charts and there was no extra deck. The cards didn't exist in more than the TCG made non-fusion cards into fusions.
There was nothing like fusions. They were entity fusions, not cards. They could be represented in a scene (usually for the same reason 4Kids was ordered to repaint cards, even though they worked the same.) They were not real cards. Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon was really just a physical fusion of 3 Blue Eyes. It's fusion with Black Luster was just that. Black Luster on Ultimate. It was represented more accurately in some early videogames. In that you had no fusion and just experimented with card combos.
Only later did they make actual Extra decks.
But at this point, the fusions, changes and any alteration were not real cards. Being a change, like Thousand Dragon, means there would be no card for him. Like there is no card for Red Eyes Metal Dragon. It's Red Eyes with Metalmorph.
Dark sage was just dark magician aged by Time Wizard. Translated by the same rules, he would be a fusion. Like those later Jaden Nex cards or Mask change. Valkyrion has an in universe card. It was showcased way later. I think in the Noah arc.
Season one worked with Pegasus made rules, that were close to the egyptian game and were an RPG or Wargame with cards. It's possible that later Kaiba asked Industrail Illusion to manufacture the cards based on the game used before. So later they got Ultimate. Sage was not present at all later. that is in universe logic for the TCG influencing the anime.
@@dancorneanu9144 I understand that, at least the theory in the video, is that fusions didn't exist (or at least how you interpreted what was said in the video), and while I don't necessarily disagree, I do think there may be a bit more to it than just what's in the video, mainly that fusions did actually exist as actual cards during that time, but because of the rules that were present in Duelist Kingdom (namely the seeming 40 card limit, and how in the Anime most of the time fusions just sort of lived in the deck themselves and didn't actually have their own separate place and stuff like that) and how the fields were set up and everything it didn't allow for an actual Extra Deck Zone, but they still had to have those cards available for use somehow for those that wanted to use them and such, so they had them programmed in to make them available. Basically, not so much trial and error, moreso memorization, at least that's how it came across to me when watching the Anime, that they memorized the fusions and stuff since they seem confident it'll work and not "maybe this'll happen if I do this, but I have no clue" which would be more akin to trial and error. Doing a quick search myself, while it does appear that the TCG started releasing cards after the Anime started airing, looking at the Japanese cards and Anime that is the basis for the TCG and the English translation of the Anime (meaning the TCG and English translation wouldn't exist without these previously existing) it looks like the cards were releasing prior to the Anime, and Purple Fusion cards had released during that time, so they were in existence. I'm not recalling off hand any non-fusion cards turned into fusions, though it's been over a decade or so since I've seen any of the Anime, so my memory on that part may be a bit foggy, but I do recall a few Fusion cards (Flame Swordsman, Thousand Dragon, Giltia, etc.) that were treated like non-fusions.
I'm aware Valkyrion was shown as an in-Universe card, what I was getting at with that is that it's a card that seems more like a fusion, but is not classified as such, in a similar manner to how Dark Sage seems to be a sort of fusion between Time Wizard and Dark Magician kinda, but it's also not classified as a fusion. Valkyrion was around during Battle City, I remember Yugi using it when he dueled Lumis and Umbra with Kaiba, and I think a couple times before then as well, and those duels took place before the Virtual World Arc that you are referencing.
While it's true we don't see Dark Sage in the Anime after Duelist Kingdom, that doesn't mean it wasn't present or around because remember, he requires a very specific set up to be able to be played, and past Duelist Kingdom Yugi never really had that set up again, so he couldn't bring him out, which is why we never saw him. That's not to say Yugi wasn't side decking him just in case or whatever though.
Location bonus is a fun thing of course, yet you might have some special cards in the deck for that.
"I just made this card game based on dark Egyptian magic!"
"What are the rules?"
"Didn'tget that far. We'll just make them uo as we go along"
That final rule explanation actually makes sense.
Duelist Kingdom Format Battle City Format Virtual World Format Orichalchos Format And KC GP and Dawn OF The Duel card matches is like Goat Format.
you know what? now that youve explained the d&d rule, duelist kingdom makes like a million times more sense now
*what is something I thought id never say*
Duelist Kingdom really feels like an overblown playtest of new mechanics in-universe. Likely for showing off field spells and determining how balanced the field effects are, changing how fusion worked into something that could work with anything, and potentially adding in video game-like extras like the Attack the Moon and destroy the flotation ring shenanigans. Field spells were obviously rebalanced before release, fusion changes were dropped due to just making too many possibilities and throwing in too much guesswork on the player-side and toned down into fusion monsters being their own cards and moved to the extra deck, while the weird creative video-gamey stuff was dropped for being too cryptic for most players to figure out.
1:05 No that checks out if you assume the dub takes place in America
One thing you missed is fusion monsters can't attack the turn they're summoned
I remember that Kaiba prototype of a duel disk, it was like a top and they had to spin it to actually summon a monster, it was so funny
I think Beyblade is gonna sue somebody!
12:53 you can see the moment his brain cracks when he realized that there were so many stupid and on the fly rules in this arc XD
One thing that you forgot about Duelist Kingdom, Zombies being unable to be killed by battle. Reference to Joey vs Bonz with Call of the Haunted. When it get killed in battle it regenerates and grows in power.
“Best and brightest duelists”
Proceeds to show Weevil and Rex lol
The field power bonus thing in duelist kingdom was of course very confusing, but honestly I liked this total chaos, because you never knew what will happen next.
Rule 17
In the duel Kaiba vs Pegasus when Pegasus destroyed all of Kaibas monster with his own crush card, we see Kaibas deck not as a stack but messed up laying around.
He then picked up the only card that summon the only monster he could summon (Monster reborn to summon Saggi).
(Season 1, Episode 27 if you want to rewatch it yourself) I'm confused, I always thought that you "can" pick a monster from your deck or the card that let you summon a card.
That explained also to me why Mai always had Harpy in her hand when it's the only monster card in her deck.
If you ever played Duelist of the Roses, you'll understand how lit this really is.
For those bothered by the rules, think of it as the video said but instead of the d20, you have the arena system decide what will happen, not the player. The player can play based on his logic and the system will do what its programmed to do. Why did they do this? To promote the whole new hologram type of dueling and make the duels :more realistic". Anyway, the dnd dueling idea isnt bad, sounds fun, imma try it.
Honestly with US hospital bills with no health insurance, 3 mil is fairly accurate