I bought a CHEAP D5 Volvo V70 for £1000, and I think it's going to COST ME BIG!
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- In today's video, we take a look at a Volvo V70 I won at auction for £1000 and all the problems with it! I'm not sure if this is a saver or a scrapper!
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Pretty sure you have worked it out now, but it looks like this car has the Aisin Warner TF-80 SC gearbox. When working it is fantastic as it locks up its torque converter in all gears making it really economical and far less slushy. But sadly they are supposed to have transmission oil changes every 40k miles and most didn't. The slip you get between changes is called flare and is due to wear in a piston in the valve body, replacing the valve body (you can get recon and it might be possible with the gearbox in the car still) is the way to go. The same box (variants of) was fitted to diesel Vectras, Signums as well as some VWs and Toyotas. On the Vauxhalls it is possible to get the front pan off the box in situ, and from there get the bolts out of the valve body. Replace and then change the oil, there's a process to follow on the Vauxhalls to relearn that involves sitting at specific throttle settings once hot through a wide speed range (essentially like 20% throttle betwren 0 and 80mph) several times. It is likely similar for the Volvos. That flare will also appear on upshifts into top gear i believe (though youll be going quite quickly to find that).
As you say, the gearbox oil needs changing around 40k miles as the breakdown temperature of the oil is very close to the running temp of the diesel engine models, it tends not to happen in pertol models as often.
That's an early 185bhp Euro4 D5, The 163bhp Euro3 D5's were so much better in terms of MPG and less to go wrong with them like DPF's and swirl flaps etc! The aisin warner auto gearboxes in these were according to Volvo sealed for life, They are not! EDIT, Aisin warner auto boxes suffer with a worn out valve block, No amount of fluid changes will extend their life, I did my research on V70 D5's hence ending up with a 163bhp Euro3 manual, 242K miles on it, 53 mpg on a run and 42 mpg around town and it is bombproof! 👍
the pulsing steering is another common issue and means a new rack is needed or could get the existing one refurbed, sadly not cheap
Try saving it if, as long as it isn’t too costly as they do make decent money.
Having said that, I have a 146,000 mile 2014 D5 XC70, I’ve owned it for about 18 months and it’s cost me over £3,000 in repairs and servicing and it still isn’t finished.
It makes my previous Discovery 4 seem like a bargain to run….
For the price of transmission fluid, I'd give it a couple of flushes through and ensure the correct amount of oil is in it before going any further
Waste of time and money mate, The Aisin warner gearboxes are crap, The valve block simply wears out, Oil flushes just cover up the inevitable for a few hundred miles, Manuals are the top option on these.
SAVE THE VOLVO! Crowdfunding? 🤣
I’m skint can you put my dibs in for me please 🙏 much appreciated 😊
😂 Maybe if fixed I could raffle it
@@ShiftingMetal I like the sound of that, I'd buy a few tickets 😅👀
Give formula volvo in Wellington a shout sure they can sort this out at a reasonable price for you!
these gearboxes can sometimes be saved by changing the fluid - google 'gibbons method' for how to do it all in one go or you can do a 'sump dump' a few times over a period of weeks for a more gentle approach. They can be filled via the dipstick and there's a drainplug under the car
A pal had a manual saloon version. Epic engine but if you do decide to keep it, I recommend alternately filling up the tank with the pricey diesel, or at very least giving the car a damn good thrashing once a fortnight, to prevent it going into limp mode. Alternatively, you could get it decatted and the lambda sensor dumped into a bin, assuming it'd still pass the MOT. My old Peugeot TD does so easily, albeit it might not be as stringent on the emissions pass rate requirement. I just filled my jalopy yesterday, this time with the cheaper stuff but add 5ml per litre with mineral two stoke oil, which helps to burn off the crap and also lubes the fuel pump as well - a bit of an issue since the withdrawal of sulphur in diesel.
Good luck with it, whatever.
I might be way off here, but I had an old Mercedes years ago, it had an automatic transmission issue, I serviced it, dropping the sump and replacing the gearbox filter and fresh ATF, and it was cured! Worth a try and relatively cheap to do too.
Thats most likely a valve body issue. 2nd to 3rd upshift is an extremely common point of failure on any automatic transmission.
The valve body can often be replaced in situ but its still an expensive repair
That "slamming" is extremely unhealthy and detrimental to the drivetrain. You wont be able to do that much before something breaks!
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The Automatic Transmission Issue is most probably why was sent to Auction
Do like these big old Volvo's...But well happy with my 08 mazda 6 2.0D SL Estate , it's fully loaded and even has a sunroof witch i like
Have always loved Volvos ❤ but if they start playing up they are a nightmare to sort and part’s ridiculous expensive 😢
joe, I would cost up a gearbox mate to see if its worth it, if you can get one ideal, a damn good wet vac inside to clean it up, refresh the wheels ya self then sell it. but it all depends on the cost to do the gbox.
Please take a look at the( ECU & The ECM ) in the Engine Bay
I'd save it. Chuck a new box in it and look at the steering and it might make a bit of profit.
Assuming this is the later 185bhp engine it will be the TF80sc 6 speed gearbox. Unfortunately the very first generation of this box had allot of issues with valve bodies. In this case the shift solenoid for 2-3rd is sticking which is the route cause of your shift flare & banging. Driven any significant distance that will eventually lead to some pretty serious internal box damage. I personally wouldn't recommend fitting a used box in this instance as the labour involved dropping the subframe to fit it is pretty involved and chances are unless it's had regular fluid changes (instead of this sealed for life nonsense) you could find yourself back in the same position. Getting at the valve body involves dropping the front of tht subframe for access. They can be swapped as complete assemblies or you can swap the individual shift solenoids. The last thing to mention is that these boxes have adaptive software. Volvo dealer software (VIDA) will allow you to reset the adaptations on the box - effectively it 're-learns' how to shift. It's not uncommon for them to take a bit of time to settle down post component change (anywhere upto 700 miles if a reset & adaption process is not performed). A quick dump from the transmission is also not sufficient, ideally you need to run at least 20 litres of fresh fluid using the gibbon's method (via the transmission cooler). I'm not sure where you are based but if you need to speak to a Volvo specialist with experience with gearboxes I'd recommend Horton Cars in Alesbury. They sorted out my XC60's knackered torque converter for me last year. Good luck!
Interesting...I got 175bhp according to everywhere and everyone. Got 2.4D which is the singleturbo. If it is pure D5 it got doubleturbo and have over 200bhp.
Good video bud. I’d eBay that like ya said. Give her a clean and list it with the fault.
Great for tip runs etc.
Definitely do the gearbox but not sure if the AWD affects the part number etc. AWD is a rare option and would increase its value.
Make sure cambelt done too and those hu850s stereos are quite unreliable so thoroughly check that out too.
There is more to it than something being a rare option to increase the value. You need to find the right person.
@shifting metal get these few bits sorted mechanically And roll the ting. If you got a dpf gut it, if you got flaps, delete them and just start shitting through the box #bigmanteng #crushingit #settinglevelsthenraisingthemagain
100% replace the gearbox! Love these cars my mates dad had one as a work horse that was on 243k they just go on forever, plus you don’t see very many of them around anymore
Yes, GIBBONS flush should sort it BUT you need Volvo diagnostics (VIDA) to tell the ECU it’s new fluid, otherwise it won’t make a damm difference. If it doesn’t work, box needs new Valve body / block. The pulse sensation from wheel on corners was totally fixed when he found the power steering fluid to be low, instead of topping it up, he flushed it out totally TWICE to make sure all old fluid gone and problem fixed, not returned ok 30,000 mls. Last point NEVER top the D5 engine oil to the max …. Use 3/4 on the max to min scale or limp home mode will pop up. There’s a TSB about it…. Looks like a LUX model, with AWD it’s a rare one…… KEEP it for yourself mate.
decent used box,hopefully sorts things?
My honda accord auto did that, it just needed a new solenoid sensor, way cheaper than a new gear box
Had this before and after a rebuild. It went back and it was dirt in the oil. They rectified it for free. It could be that.
Love a Volvo estate but after buying mine for 3k I'm 1500 into it and I'm not finished unfortunately.
Great cars but I can see how easy it would be to get upside down on one.
Any updates on this Joe? Seems rare being an AWD model hope you saved it
The gearbox fault is solenoids and a complete gearbox oil change and they have to be programmed after its done ✔️
Could the gearbox need a software update for the high speed cans I had 61plate AWD geartronic slamming into gear had software updated solved problem, only thing is had to go into main stealership think it cost me about £100 if I remember right.
Pop it into an automatic gearbox specialist i use Neil Smith automatics in cannock staffs hel diagnose the fault the take it from there
The clean design language of a hearse.
Well, the next of kin will definitely complain about the shifting.
Maybe even the Deceased.
Save the Volvo 😂 realistically needs a refurb box and steering rack, it has to be worth saving. Once done it will be a decent car.
I own a 2.0T V70 that’s approaching 20 and it’s going incredibly well. The thing with these cars is this, if you buy a used one that hasn’t been serviced and maintained regularly, expect it to eat the piggy bank! While these cars are beautifully comfortable and a joy to drive as a cruiser, if they give trouble you’re in trouble! I’d avoid automatic transmissions and Geartronic models. These cars were finished in 2007 so that’s 16 years ago as it is. They’re pretty rare now in Ireland with very few for sale per month and none of them have valid NCT (MOT to our UK friends), and that alone can can be expensive to accomplish. The deck is stacked against these wonderful gas guzzlers but when I’m out on the open road nothing else satisfies as much and I’ve driven nearly every car there is as I used to work in the motor trade. Make no mistake, these Ford era vehicles are not as good as the older generations of Volvo cars.
This is a P2 and therefore a proper Volvo. I've owned a P2 S60 and it was very well made. Despite being 17 years old when I owned it there was no corrosion to the body nor underneath, and not a drop of oil leak from anywhere.
@@Leeirvinebird that’s cool. Mine is in great condition underneath too. No rust except on the exhaust pipe clips!
For the gearbox try giving it an oil change and service.
Tried that but still no good 🙁
Get rid bad buy geartronics not gd
Unless u can replace cheaply.Seats safety best in business gd luck bro
Oh yeh. Can you re send the BCA trade URL. Couldn’t google it. Cheers Dan
Break it for pats n youll probably get your money back,when the box goes on these there really not worth the financial outlay to sort out,getting a decent used box is nigh on impossible as thats usually the reason the car has been broken,other than that the p2 chassis volvos are great cars abd i like em so much ive got 2,T5 and a d5,both manuals.
A dodgy maf can give gearbox issues, however that’s the start of firing the parts cannon…
Volvos of this age are the best/worst auction cars - definitely solid cars but a clutch is £800+ and auto boxes not bulletproof so a test drive is mandatory really
Gearbox needs rebuild, valve body on this car has design faults. Asian Warner I believe updated it for later models.
Juddering could also be wrong oil in a limited slip diff
transmission oil change and with additive lucas first before replacing gearbox
Tried oils I don’t think the Lucas would make too much difference sadly! ☹️
@@ShiftingMetal did you update the software too? New oil without that won’t make a difference 👍
I had the volvo v70 2.4T petrol 2001 with the 6speed Auto Asisn and the headgasket went at 115.000miles was well pissed
I paid £500 for my V70 D5 SE geartronic in 2021. Touch wood 14,000 miles later at 214,000 my 5 speed auto is still working and the car is still passing MOT’s. They are a lovely car but sadly if my gearbox goes I’ll scrap it.
Has it got the abs light on? Wife had a Mondeo auto that did the same. Abs light was on and the auto box uses the sensors to know when to change gear
Anti skid warning so same thing… I need a Volvo expert to confirm it’s that before I waste more money on it
@@ShiftingMetal my Mondeo v6 had the anti skid warning on and no traction control and was a wheel speed sensor causing it. As I said the wife’s would jolt changing gear and would be a nightmare until the abs light decided to fix itself and drove fine after
@@ShiftingMetal you not got a diagnostic to replace the abs sensor that needs changing and then test drive the car again
I hope it went to a good home , I love my V70s but Mileage !! -NOt even run in .Known stories 400,000 Known
Still a nice car
joe the screen seems to be facing more downwards, dunno how you would read it lol
Yeah it’s a bit weird isn’t it! I don’t think it adjusts though 🤔
@@ShiftingMetal good old motors, might be worth taking some of the advice re flush/ oil a few times, prob not been done for a while...
I used to buy and sell cars for years and me personally i'd try and get rid the way it is even if it meant losing a few hundred quid, every car dealer gets a bad car now and again
Part exchanged our 05 Automatic V70 diesel volvo in January this year 200,000 on the clock , Transmisson was slipping , in manual was worse than in automatic . message read ''transmission service required '' garage scan read ''transmission slipping ''
Quoted over £1500 to to £2000 to repair ,specialist advised not viable , adding oil made no difference . Part ex for £400 had paid £1795 for the car which came with no warranty but great car until transmission went after a year .
Car dealer put on his forecourt for sale at £4,995 i suspect to allow for new gearbox , now reduced to £3,995 but still no interest . also had dodgy drivers window , glass jumping out and needed new alloys as air was escaping from tyres but i did have them cleaned and resealed for £25 a wheel which did seemed to fix the problem .
I fear this has a similar issue
Send it back through the block
Hi I'm getting an offer for 1500. Should I go for this car. Please guide.
Do the gearbox
And steering problem
Could retail that for 4k
Shift it on!
Save it!!
Find some old Antique dealer stick a big roof rack on it ,and stuff it into him for £5000 job done. 🤭👍
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If you are lucky the Volvo just needs a complete change of all fluids.
Tried that but sadly not the issue!
@@ShiftingMetal Oops! cut and run then mate.
Hi is the Volvo Still for sale?
I still have it currently
The seats look like they have done 250,000
You reckon?
Mine has done around 228k and my seats look alot better than those so i would agree on 250k
Yes, much better off with black leather in these old Swedes.
Save it
WBAC it.
Gearbox problem , steering problem , knocks n scuffs ? dump it mate and try to get 1400 at auction (with a reserve) , not worth wasting time on it
Fix it and she will serve you for a long time.
Save as many cars as u can lad that way we won’t have to Drive electric cars. Get a box and fit it
One other thing, they later binned that telephone panel and replaced it with a pop out cup holder, I'd pull that out and put a cup holder in. Who puts SIM cards in a car these days other than for data.
Contact Geoff buys cars on youtube he is the Volvo man, he might want it.
I have messaged Geoff , told him about your latest video, I'm sure he will point you in the right direction, Volvo V70 s are his thing, im sure he forgot more than most people know about these cars
That would be good 👍
That box is overly complex, don't do it.
Nah dont fix..flash it and claim the insurance. Its called insurance fraud 😂
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It looks like you buying all the scrapers due to be scrappefd🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️
Not worth the time, move it on...
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That’s why the previous owner got rid of it … it’s going to be a money pit … Trade sale it get rid of it 😎👍🏻
100% must’nt be repaired. Best way out least loss as-is gotta be way. Volvo geartronics do eventually go bad. They’re not strong as ox’s like Jap boxes
It has a Japanese transmission.
@@tiguanman1170 Thanks!!! Had no idea, should have googled , had only 2 bad Geartronic boxes over 18 years, never actually google'd the box manufacturer , Google: manufactured in Japan by Aisin AW
@@zzhughesd Yes, I drive a Tiguan auto and its the same one as in the V70 and V50 d5. Its also in the Freelander, Mondeo, X-type and one of the Suzukis. I did the research because we need an auto and I didn't want to go near Powershift or DSG.
@@tiguanman1170 powershift Ford Volvo box. Had over 5 bad and burnt on almost 50% auction chances on Powershift. I also don’t buy. But geartronic unaware used other applications other manufacturers !!!!
You are there to make money. Don't spend any more on it.
imagine how life and business would be much easier once people adopt EVs. no automatic gearbox or engine problems. yes, batteries may malfunction as well - but the overall design is so much simpler. also you can replace individual cells of the battery.
NEVER!! 😂
If you can’t do the work yourself get rid move on or you will end up with a bigger blow£££
i think you could easily get 2k as is with its faults