So I've been watching this show every Sunday for what feels like a few years, and Van Straatens ability to say the most controversial thing in the most nonchalant way, and proceed to say he doesn't think is controversial never gets old.
yeah but the funny part is in many cases he proves the controversial statement and its like woah. I love Pat, his logic when talking about football is unmatched
As a Bayern munich fan I've got to say Hernandez has been our best best defender this season, Süle has also been pretty good but Upamecano really has not played very well, he made some huge mistakes and was even subbed off a couple of times at half time.
Pat is absolutely right about average football fans, moved into a new house with some people on my placement in the summer and was shocked to find they had never heard of Schick, Romero, Malen and other players who performed well internationally over the summer, is mad
Malen has 4 goals this year and was playing in the Dutch league prior , Schick this is his first year being a good goal scorer prior to this his best ever tally was 11 in serie A and has played for like 5 clubs. I wouldn’t blame most people for not caring about them
@@joshuaguevara1309 i’m not saying they should be cared about by everyone before this, i meant contextually, with what Pat was saying about being separated from general public opinion of football,
To be fair most people who see themselves as knowledgeable fans who know who the players are talk just as much nonsense, now way do most people watch this many games, they talk about European teams/players like there experts when they have seen them play 2-3 times
That Lucas Hernandez description by Pato is the most “I’m English and I don’t care to watch football outside of England and I judge non-English players only by their team’s results” description if I’ve ever heard one. Lucas is a beast and in last year’s UCL QF has had one THE BEST defensive performances I’ve ever seen vs Neymar , Mbappe and Di Maria
pato is probably one of the least premier leaguecentric fan you'll ever see, you evidently don't watch enough of him of fd just because one time he said something correct that you disagree with
Pat calling Hernandez the worst defender in Bayern is comical. That second leg against PSG showed just how good he can be when utilized well at his natural position(which is centre half)
Lucas is crazy good. Especially 1 vs 1, among the best I’ve seen in that regard. He also aggressive in a really productive way. Also got quite underrated distribution from deep, even though he’s obviously no Alaba.
Christian Pulisic has to go in ahead of Werner. Been our worst player this season by a lightyear, and there's a whole continent that thinks he's the best winger in the world
I agree he hasn’t really kicked on as I’d hoped. Werner was overhyped when we got him with his reputation. There’s an argument for Mount I’d say our fanbase think he’s the best thing since slice bread when I want more from him th assist wise than from set pieces yes he scored goals I’ll give him that but he hasn’t been as good as last year.
As a Bayern fan... I really don't agree. Neuer has been crucial as a leader as well as a shotstopper. Also Lucas Hernandez has been sensational for 2 years now and been extremely consistent. The problem with them is that they bottle it vs. weaker opposition and Nagelsmann hasn't really fully found his best way of playing. His system is very reliant on fast wingbacks... but They don't have anyone that can do that on the right and Davies has been out for nearly 2 months with a heart condition. What Bayern need is for Nagelsmann to set up according to his players' strengths a right wing back option. Also a solid, reliable central defender as Lucas really is the only one. Upamecano is either 2019 VVD or Some sunday league player who just finished his second pint before the game. Terribly inconsistent since the start of the year. Though before that they had the best defence in both the CL and Bundesliga. With the latter being insanely attacking compared to the rest of Europe. A thiago-like DM wouldn't be too bad either- yes they have Kimmich but he's more of an 8 in game. Also the absence of Neuer, Davies and Goretzka has really been felt of late. If Bayern came up against Chelsea today they'd either lose 1-3 or win like 7-1. They really need that Man City level of consistency back. They've lost that in the last couple of months.
@@Iamtheilluminati He's been better as a RCB but still not at a starting for Bayern level. Man United should buy him come summer for way too much. Let us get De Ligt or something.
@@eliot7701 = somebody that actually follows the club and watches every game. Not just a 2 minute highlights video of 1/3 games + some stats. I like the FD crew but outside of the Prem they don't watch many other clubs. Dougie might watch Bayern from time to time but that's it. Why their opinions are quite weird, and putting Luci there is just stupid.
Toni Kroos is the one being said to have no legs, when he pressed more times than any other player during Real Madrid - PSG (46 times), more than double of the rest of the midfield. ‘All defensive stats in red’ no wonder when we sit back in a low block or keep the ball in games.
What do you expect when they're getting insight from that guy in the middle who hasn't even watched 25% of Kroos' games this season. His opinion is more overrated than Kroos. Imagine having opinions on players you can't be bothered to watch, then sitting in front of a camera and talking as if you watch Madrid games each week. Of Kroos' 28 games this season, it sounds like this guy only watched the one against PSG and confirmed to himself some preconceived notions he has based on a need to stand out. I bet he'd argue players like Thiago and Jorginho, who are worse than Kroos but play on better teams, are actually better than Kroos.
The utter disrespect to Kroos is saying something like that. Anyone who watches even 5 Real Madrid matches very well know when Casemiro is not playing or on a yellow, Kroos presses and distributes the ball even more! He is severly underrated defensively simply because Casemiro is damn near exceptional in defense and Luka Modric is an interception machine. Kroos is way too disrespected.
@@tharcisseofficial You have kinda strengthened Pats argument as he goes on to suggest Jorginho and Liverpool's midfield. You complain that Pat makes comments without watching Kross but you make comments without watching the whole video. The hypocrisy is comical
Ronaldo is overrated because some people believe he is still a top 3 player in the world it’s a stinking opinion his reputation as one of the greatest players of all time clouding judgment he’s not as affective as Antonio and nobody would say he’s a top 10 player in the league
Hernandez is by far the best 1 on 1 defender in the Bundesliga he’s by far Bayerns best CB he’s the only defender holding us together, Upa and Pavard is a disaster and Sule is a fridge like Maguire
How come when it comes to forwards and xG under/overperformance we're quick to point out that it's something that fluctuates from season to season, e.g. Lewandowski 18-19 he was 11 goals behind his xG, nobody said he's terrible because of it. But when it comes to goalies and their post shot xG under/overperformance we decide one season they're brilliant goalies when they overperform it, but then the next we say they're terrible because they underperform it. Surely how we evaluate xG and post shot xG should be the same for both goalies and forwards?
Because strikers can positively contribute to their xG through good movement and dribbling etc. so strikers have the ability to drive up that xG that they’re going to “underperform” against. Conversely, goalkeepers don’t positively contribute to their xG against, (except in the instances of extremely aggressive sweeper keepers - but as we are talking about Oblak I’m going to assume that’s minimal). So if you’re underperforming against your xG as a striker you’re not necessarily letting the side down if your baseline xG is high enough (Lewandowski). But if you’re a goalkeeper and you’re underperforming against post shot xG then you are “letting the side down”. This has been my Ted Talk. Cheers.
i would consider havertz underrated if you compare his minutes per G/A to lukaku this season and his off the ball work is proaably the best in that chelsea squad.
Putting Kroos in this team and the thumbnail got them exactly what they wanted: angry Madrid fans watching the vid and posting long comments. Fair play, guys 😂😂
To cover Pat’s point, the reason Liverpool were played through fairly easily in midfield is because Fabinho had to constantly run out the the wing to cover for the fullbacks & Harvey Elliot was constantly running into the attacking third so once Inter broke through the first line of pressure they only had Thiago to get past.
Pato’s view on Grealish is really significant. People rate players attacking players solely on their goal involvements without watching them. Grealish wasn’t brought in to just score goals, he’s never been a big goal scorer
I think City just bought him because he is marketable. A fan favourite of the english people and to have him in the team would make lots of Grealish fans in England to become City fans. Tbh that is very smart business!
@@i3p973 exactly, but like I said, it was just to attract more football fans to buy Grealish shirts and them to support Man City. Let's be honest, Man City gained many fans recently, but only outside of England. Here in England, teams like Newcastle and West Ham f.ex. have more fans than City.
Havertz is in with a shout. I've seen people on Twitter list him alongside the likes of Haaland and mbappe. And any counter argument that is made just gets the response "he won Chelsea the champions league"... No he didnt. He scored a goal in the final. He didnt single handedly drag Chelsea to the final and then win it for them. He's probably a good player but absolutely not in amongst mbappe and haaland
GK: Handanovic - Inter Milan RB: Diogo Dalot - Man United RCB: Bonucci - Juventus LCB: Upamecano - Bayern LB: Shaw - Man United RDM: Jorginho - Chelsea LDM: Kroos - Real Madrid RAM: Asensio - Real Madrid CAM: Felix - Atletico Madrid LAM: Neymar - PSG ST: Griezmann - Atletico Madrid Bench (Honourable Mentions) Donnarumma - PSG Gimenez - Atletico Madrid Lodi - Atletico Madrid Fabinho - Liverpool Valverde - Real Madrid Sancho - Man United Vinicius Jr - Real Madrid
I guess it's the resources that city have, the bench dept is amazing compared to Liverpool's. I'd say they have a better allround dept, while we are mainly stacked in attack i.e with world class talent, we've got lots of bodies in the midfield but I'd say barring Fabinho and Thiago we don't have an exceptional midfield player. Sure Hendo, Ox and Naby play well but Hendo is getting old, and his performances haven't been the best (tho that assist against Norwich the other day was very good), Ox has games where he's either very good in the game or just an invisible figure who keeps losing the ball, and naby well, i thot this season would be it, the season where we finally shows his full potential and the way he started it, it seemed that way but things have slowed down now. In the defence we've got a very very good starting line up with Dijk, Matip/Konate, Andy and Trent and they've been very consistent. Klopp giving Andy some breaks and letting Tsimikas play more has been good, he was getting way over played and Tsimikas has been solid. But against Norwich, when Trent was missing, one could see the struggle, I havnt been confident in Joe Gomez and i don't think he had a particularly good game either. We're a little to reliant on the first team, while city keeps changing, if there's a gap, another clog fills it, they're like a well oiled machine. I mean with people in the oil business they better be oiled! Sorry bout that, had jus realized i wrote "well OILED machine" and had to say it. Also, edit, i agree there's a gap between City and Liverpool but I don't think it's as BIG of a drop as Pat says
@@Max-ok8js thats clearly not what he's talking about, he's talking about how good the teams actually are right now and how likely they are to win the UCL as a result, not about trophies won in previous seasons
As a Madrid fan I agree with the Kroos choice. I said he was overrated a year ago and someone who didn’t support Madrid said “no he’s literally world class” I told them the exact same thing, he had good passing but that’s it. He’s a good player but not as good as others say he is.
Looool mate hes tired after starting 27 consecutive games 😂😂. Without kroos we are abysmal in controlling the game and we have no control. Carvajal is definitely not great but these guys and you are soo wrong about kroos
Sorry bro, but I don't see how you can appreciate it. For somebody to make such wild accusations about a player they hardly ever watch is just shocking. Nobody who's watched at least 50% of Kroos' games this season would say he's "overrated". Jorginho and Thiago get more plaudits than Kroos just because they play on better teams. Kroos is better than both of them. I don't think it's wise to appreciate such derogatory comments from people who don't watch the player they speak on. I would like to know an actual number of how many of Kroos' 28 games this season the guy in the middle has been bothered watch.
@@tharcisseofficial Firstly you mentioning Jorginho and Thiago getting more plaudits just adds more solidity to Pats view as HE GOES ON TO SUGGEST BOTH aswell. It shows you probably didn't watch the entire video before making this comment. Secondly, Pat and Co also state a large part of their rational behind including Kross was to gain clicks from angry people like yourself who will want to leave comments such as the one I'm replying too. It's almost comical!
@@QuotedPixels I did watch the whole video. Thiago was NEVER mentioned as overrated. The guy said Fabinho and Thiago were disappointing against Inter, but only referred to Fabinho as being over hyped sometimes. They included no Liverpool players and never said Thiago is overrated. Jorginho was mentioned, but it was argued that people don't overrate him anymore. That's a fair point, but it still doesn't make him less overrated than Kroos. Jorginho was on a Ballon d'Or podium. Kroos doesn't even make the 32-man shortlist. In regards to the "clickbait" thing, it's obvious that's how the others justified putting Kroos in, but the guy in the middle genuinely believes Kroos is overrated, which is moronic. He was sounding like he knew what he was talking about, but the words coming out of his mouth made it obvious he barely ever watches Madrid play.
@@tharcisseofficial I highly doubt that Pat thinks Jorginho is better or less overrated than Kross. In the video he refers to Jorginho as a limited player in a good team but reiterates the fact that Kross is still a good player. While I disagree with Kross' inclusion in this team ahead of the likes of Jorginho and others, I would agree that being one of my favourite players, even I overrate Kross, as he's probably not in the very top echelons of midfielders anymore
@@QuotedPixels The simple fact he doesn't make a 32-man Ballon d'Or list (whether you respect the award or not) is evidence enough that he's not overrated at all. Kroos has actually been excellent this season, besides that 1 game against PSG where the whole team was poor except Courtois. I've watched every single one of Kroos' 28 games this season and I barely hear people talk about him. The spotlight is always on Modric, Benzema, Vini, Militao, etc. even when Kroos performs exceptionally well. If anything, I'd say Kroos flies under the radar when Madrid perform. For this guy to say he's overrated is baffling.
Pat is dead wrong on the Bayern defenders. I think every Bayern fan would tell you Hernandez is easily our best 1v1 defender. Upamecano is an absolute nightmare.
@@G17x Well, I think he´d need to be played solely as CB. Also, Bayern defence can get very exposed at times. It´s not the defender's fault if they don´t stop the attacker runing at them 1v1 every single time, there´s different issue. But it´s always the defender who looks bad...
pats opinion on the Chelsea side up to 12:05 is laughable, what way to tell us you don't watch Chelsea. chelsea control the possession in most cases just lacking finish product, to say they sit back and counter is just jokes
Kroos is still world class at what his role is , that is control the tempo .He never relied on pace he used his positional intelligence to defend, it’s just that he is in a midfield with another 36 year old modric .
but that's what they're saying...he's a world class tempo dictator and passer but its no longer enough to be world class at his role because it comes at the cost of any form of athleticism. kroos is literally one of them machines they use in training that pings the ball around...
Pat talking about Real not making it close to champions league final didn’t age well. They definitely overachieved what anyone’s original expectations were
I actually love listening to pat he’s by far and away the best at FD he’s. says things that are just smart and thought out and I always try to speak and think like him In situations In real life .
Tell me what‘s the last time Carvajal played 10 games without getting injured? Please how could you say that Dani overratet? He hasn‘t played enough for the last 3 years. I do not think that he is going to be as good as he was, but I think he will become Top 5 right back again if he can stay injury free.
I'm a Madrid fan and I do think Carvajal is overrated at this point. It's up to him to prove he is not. The fact he hasn't played enough over the past 3 years adds to why he is overrated. He has to show us that he's still world class or else we can sign someone else and bench him. I'm tried of waiting for that guy to become a consistent baller. The main part of being world class is consistency.
As a Real Madrid fan I agree with all 3 shouts. Kroos is too old to be starting every game and hes not better or I should say hes not more useful for a midfield than Valverde. Carvajal is still wc from a crossing passing department but he is a lot worse defensively then before and he lost a lot of pace due to injuries. Asensio is probably the worst one , he scores bangers and people rate him for it but he consistently fuks up 10 chances or counter attacks per game. Good job boys!
Kroos is not overrated at all. He's adequately rated. Nobody talks about Kroos as "amazing", yet he's basically a way better version of Jorginho who actually knows how to shoot. If people want to argue how good Kroos is, fair enough, but I'm not having that he's "overrated" when hardly anyone has mentioned him over the past 7 years, despite all he's done. He was no where near the worst players against PSG and has been excellent for Madrid this season. Asensio also isn't overrated. He hardly gets talked about and is also adequately rated. However, Carvajal is a definite shout for being overrated. He's somehow still considered one of the best RBs, despite being injured regularly for years. Serious questions have to be asked about how good he is and he's the one player at Madrid who you can definitely say is "overrated".
Pat is spot on with the ronaldo slander. Obviously a goat but has really no place at a side as big as man utd at this point in his career, may score a couple goals but his drawbacks at this point in his career is really damaging to the system they try to play
This is more like underperforming more than over rated. Kai Havertz should definitely be in there and I'm a Chelsea fan, he's been so underwhelming for the hype he came with. Putting Werner is harsh imo
Joes comment on Real Madrid and the away goals rule just shows he has no idea about Real Madrid or watches any La liga, to start with benzema wasnt fit and ancelotti/Madrid have played this play since he joined again, ancelotti literally talked about playing this play when he started.
Bamba out and Dybala in and midfield pick would be Casemiro I know people who say he’s top 3 DM or top 5 and he doesn’t make me top 10 or so and I’m deffo missing obvisios Kimmich Fabinho Kante Veratti (him and Kante very close) Declan Rice F. De Jong (if you class him DM) Rodri Jorginho (playing him DM) Bissouma Kelvin Phillips (him and Bissouma are level)
Players get old and start to decline. Not exactly a hot take for views...even most madrid supporters would agree that its time to shakeup the midfield.
Neur was terrible for a 2 year spell, Buffon was bad for the last 2-3 years, de gea had a few bad seasons and others have had terrible Seasons. Oblak has had a bad few months but other than that has been amazing.
Pats one of the smartest on there, he says the odd contraversial thing now and then but what he said about grealish was spot on especially, the only poor thing he said was mentioning Ronaldo, it seems to be you that need to humble up mate.
sadio mane. mane is considered by prem watchers to be world class when hes had 1 borderline world class season and is most definitely in the bracket below world class.
Marina would never sell someone who could still be good to a rival, it would only make us look bad if Werner stars for Arsenal and she's a lot smarter than that, more likely he'll be sold back to Germany for like 20-30m
As a Chelsea fan I disagree on Werner he’s not really rated by anyone. My choice would be Pulisic, Lukaku or Jorginho. Mount probably can enter this although he’s the most overgassed player I’ve seen but he’ll pass with his g/a numbers.
I agree with Lukaku and Pulisic. But not Jorginho and Mount. Mount is probably our most consistent attacking player and I feel like we a worse team when Jorginho isn't playing sometimes.
@@yoluno147 La Liga is terrible league now. Dominating in it doesn't necessarily mean that you're still class. I don't agree with pato given a real Madrid midfield can't function without kroos. I'd say modric actually. He's still quite a class player but people think playing week in and week out in a terrible la Liga still makes uu great and it doesn't. Modric is definitely overrated. Not a bad player, but people still thinking he's one of the world's best midfielders is ridiculous
@@juniorkhomari1850 it's not terrible to be honest it's not as it used to be cause barca real and atleti are not at their best but there's still competition from the smaller teams
Pat needs to be binned for Mc-Cub, Zac or just a weekly rotating guest. The guy would rather check the stats at the end of the game and make his decision from that, rather than watching the game. Got talk-sport written all over him.
United fan here and while Rashford has been shocking for a while he’s probably the most abused player in our fanbase who consistently starts so can’t really call him overrated
yea Upamecano has been subbed off multiple times at half time because he played so poor. I'm sure he can turn into a great defender for bayern but he hasn't found his feet yet.
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So damn true
So I've been watching this show every Sunday for what feels like a few years, and Van Straatens ability to say the most controversial thing in the most nonchalant way, and proceed to say he doesn't think is controversial never gets old.
Also his pronounciation of foreign names is very good. The way he says "Groeneveld" is just perfect Dutch. I guess he has Dutch family?
@@kaans695 think he’s said he’s part Dutch before
@@kaans695 his name is van straaten, yes he has a Dutch family 😂
@@asamulvenna6387 Literally my thoughts lol
yeah but the funny part is in many cases he proves the controversial statement and its like woah. I love Pat, his logic when talking about football is unmatched
“Can’t even put in Maguire, because he’s no longer rated by anyone 😂 😂 😂”
Comment was severely underrated
As a Bayern munich fan I've got to say Hernandez has been our best best defender this season, Süle has also been pretty good but Upamecano really has not played very well, he made some huge mistakes and was even subbed off a couple of times at half time.
I was just about to write this!
He’s the best CB in the Bundesliga even they got that so so wrong
English people don’t watch anything else but prem then talk like they do. Agree. He’s been solid asf.
Yea they just chat sh*t Hernandez is like a beast and Pavard comming back to his form as a cb so wrong on both sides.
@@mr.sushi2221 PVS is not English you complete xenophobic bozo 🤡
Pat is absolutely right about average football fans, moved into a new house with some people on my placement in the summer and was shocked to find they had never heard of Schick, Romero, Malen and other players who performed well internationally over the summer, is mad
Had a convo with work colleagues cause we were stuck inside due to the storm. The lack of ball knowledge is shocking. Pat's right, we are in a bubble
Malen has 4 goals this year and was playing in the Dutch league prior , Schick this is his first year being a good goal scorer prior to this his best ever tally was 11 in serie A and has played for like 5 clubs. I wouldn’t blame most people for not caring about them
@@joshuaguevara1309 i’m not saying they should be cared about by everyone before this, i meant contextually, with what Pat was saying about being separated from general public opinion of football,
@@lewiseagland6738 bad examples imo
To be fair most people who see themselves as knowledgeable fans who know who the players are talk just as much nonsense, now way do most people watch this many games, they talk about European teams/players like there experts when they have seen them play 2-3 times
That Lucas Hernandez description by Pato is the most “I’m English and I don’t care to watch football outside of England and I judge non-English players only by their team’s results” description if I’ve ever heard one. Lucas is a beast and in last year’s UCL QF has had one THE BEST defensive performances I’ve ever seen vs Neymar , Mbappe and Di Maria
Dude Pato is one of the best analysts of football in the world, he has more ball knowledge than most people in the world
@@harshdeshpande3382 yes I know that’s why his assessment of Hernandez is even more baffling…
pato is probably one of the least premier leaguecentric fan you'll ever see, you evidently don't watch enough of him of fd just because one time he said something correct that you disagree with
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Pat calling Hernandez the worst defender in Bayern is comical. That second leg against PSG showed just how good he can be when utilized well at his natural position(which is centre half)
Yeh but he hits women
@@jxm2989 his now wife attacked him with a key, no excuse really but both at fault there.
Called it before this season, if he gets a season at CB, he´s gonna be among the top 5 CB in the world. Also, growing into a leader.
The fact that these guys rate Upamecano higher than Lucas proves that Upamecano is super overrated
@@pissquadibooyah788 Anyone can get something wrong, come on.
Lucas is crazy good. Especially 1 vs 1, among the best I’ve seen in that regard. He also aggressive in a really productive way. Also got quite underrated distribution from deep, even though he’s obviously no Alaba.
Christian Pulisic has to go in ahead of Werner. Been our worst player this season by a lightyear, and there's a whole continent that thinks he's the best winger in the world
I agree he hasn’t really kicked on as I’d hoped. Werner was overhyped when we got him with his reputation. There’s an argument for Mount I’d say our fanbase think he’s the best thing since slice bread when I want more from him th assist wise than from set pieces yes he scored goals I’ll give him that but he hasn’t been as good as last year.
Best player in the world*
No usmnt fan believes he is the best winger in the world that’s why he wouldnt get in
True, but they are American and so they just don’t count haha no one will genuinely take them seriously when they talk about football.
There's other countries in that continent ur talking about, its not just the US
As a Bayern fan... I really don't agree. Neuer has been crucial as a leader as well as a shotstopper. Also Lucas Hernandez has been sensational for 2 years now and been extremely consistent. The problem with them is that they bottle it vs. weaker opposition and Nagelsmann hasn't really fully found his best way of playing. His system is very reliant on fast wingbacks... but They don't have anyone that can do that on the right and Davies has been out for nearly 2 months with a heart condition.
What Bayern need is for Nagelsmann to set up according to his players' strengths a right wing back option. Also a solid, reliable central defender as Lucas really is the only one. Upamecano is either 2019 VVD or Some sunday league player who just finished his second pint before the game. Terribly inconsistent since the start of the year. Though before that they had the best defence in both the CL and Bundesliga. With the latter being insanely attacking compared to the rest of Europe. A thiago-like DM wouldn't be too bad either- yes they have Kimmich but he's more of an 8 in game.
Also the absence of Neuer, Davies and Goretzka has really been felt of late.
If Bayern came up against Chelsea today they'd either lose 1-3 or win like 7-1. They really need that Man City level of consistency back. They've lost that in the last couple of months.
For Bayern overrated is quite difficult I’d go with Pavard personally he hasn’t really kicked on since his World Cup win
@@Iamtheilluminati He's been better as a RCB but still not at a starting for Bayern level. Man United should buy him come summer for way too much. Let us get De Ligt or something.
The key words were ‘ as a Bayern fan’
@@eliot7701 = somebody that actually follows the club and watches every game. Not just a 2 minute highlights video of 1/3 games + some stats.
I like the FD crew but outside of the Prem they don't watch many other clubs. Dougie might watch Bayern from time to time but that's it. Why their opinions are quite weird, and putting Luci there is just stupid.
Beat Chelsea 7-1?? 😭
Toni Kroos is the one being said to have no legs, when he pressed more times than any other player during Real Madrid - PSG (46 times), more than double of the rest of the midfield. ‘All defensive stats in red’ no wonder when we sit back in a low block or keep the ball in games.
What do you expect when they're getting insight from that guy in the middle who hasn't even watched 25% of Kroos' games this season. His opinion is more overrated than Kroos. Imagine having opinions on players you can't be bothered to watch, then sitting in front of a camera and talking as if you watch Madrid games each week. Of Kroos' 28 games this season, it sounds like this guy only watched the one against PSG and confirmed to himself some preconceived notions he has based on a need to stand out. I bet he'd argue players like Thiago and Jorginho, who are worse than Kroos but play on better teams, are actually better than Kroos.
The utter disrespect to Kroos is saying something like that. Anyone who watches even 5 Real Madrid matches very well know when Casemiro is not playing or on a yellow, Kroos presses and distributes the ball even more! He is severly underrated defensively simply because Casemiro is damn near exceptional in defense and Luka Modric is an interception machine. Kroos is way too disrespected.
@@tharcisseofficial you’ve proved his point. Overrated by people like you
@@rory4016 Before we have this discussion, can I ask how many of Kroos appearances you've watched this season?
@@tharcisseofficial You have kinda strengthened Pats argument as he goes on to suggest Jorginho and Liverpool's midfield. You complain that Pat makes comments without watching Kross but you make comments without watching the whole video. The hypocrisy is comical
Ronaldo is overrated because some people believe he is still a top 3 player in the world it’s a stinking opinion his reputation as one of the greatest players of all time clouding judgment he’s not as affective as Antonio and nobody would say he’s a top 10 player in the league
Hernandez is by far the best 1 on 1 defender in the Bundesliga he’s by far Bayerns best CB he’s the only defender holding us together, Upa and Pavard is a disaster and Sule is a fridge like Maguire
Pavard has been very good this season. That said, agree with the rest you said.
Totally right about lucas
@@danielkrob2590 he’s certainly improved a lot the last couple months
Sule isnt at Maguire's level. Honestly, I think Upa has had more clumsy moments than Sule this season
Everybody seems to forget what PSG did last year against Bayern with the away goal rule
You know Sunday Vibes is good when you find yourself refreshing the youtube page
How come when it comes to forwards and xG under/overperformance we're quick to point out that it's something that fluctuates from season to season, e.g. Lewandowski 18-19 he was 11 goals behind his xG, nobody said he's terrible because of it. But when it comes to goalies and their post shot xG under/overperformance we decide one season they're brilliant goalies when they overperform it, but then the next we say they're terrible because they underperform it. Surely how we evaluate xG and post shot xG should be the same for both goalies and forwards?
Because strikers can positively contribute to their xG through good movement and dribbling etc. so strikers have the ability to drive up that xG that they’re going to “underperform” against.
Conversely, goalkeepers don’t positively contribute to their xG against, (except in the instances of extremely aggressive sweeper keepers - but as we are talking about Oblak I’m going to assume that’s minimal).
So if you’re underperforming against your xG as a striker you’re not necessarily letting the side down if your baseline xG is high enough (Lewandowski). But if you’re a goalkeeper and you’re underperforming against post shot xG then you are “letting the side down”.
This has been my Ted Talk. Cheers.
@@chazzacw3947 nice
This show is so bingable, I’m always intrigued with the arguments each of you bring to the table, or pub I guess
Havertz had to be in this team. Absolutely lives off that champions league final goal and has done very little to kick on this season.
No one really rates him tho
i would consider havertz underrated if you compare his minutes per G/A to lukaku this season and his off the ball work is proaably the best in that chelsea squad.
Putting Kroos in this team and the thumbnail got them exactly what they wanted: angry Madrid fans watching the vid and posting long comments. Fair play, guys 😂😂
To cover Pat’s point, the reason Liverpool were played through fairly easily in midfield is because Fabinho had to constantly run out the the wing to cover for the fullbacks & Harvey Elliot was constantly running into the attacking third so once Inter broke through the first line of pressure they only had Thiago to get past.
Lighting a fire for a braai, got FD Sunday vibes on. Cheers lads.
Pato’s view on Grealish is really significant. People rate players attacking players solely on their goal involvements without watching them. Grealish wasn’t brought in to just score goals, he’s never been a big goal scorer
I think City just bought him because he is marketable. A fan favourite of the english people and to have him in the team would make lots of Grealish fans in England to become City fans. Tbh that is very smart business!
@@emilezola1458 They already have Sterling, Foden, Walker and Stones, all of whom are very marketable stars.
Simply not worth 100m even with his unique attributes
@@reinderrider45 Exactly. Why spend a British transfer record on an area that one of your other world class forward can do to lesser degree.
@@i3p973 exactly, but like I said, it was just to attract more football fans to buy Grealish shirts and them to support Man City. Let's be honest, Man City gained many fans recently, but only outside of England. Here in England, teams like Newcastle and West Ham f.ex. have more fans than City.
Havertz is in with a shout. I've seen people on Twitter list him alongside the likes of Haaland and mbappe. And any counter argument that is made just gets the response "he won Chelsea the champions league"... No he didnt. He scored a goal in the final. He didnt single handedly drag Chelsea to the final and then win it for them. He's probably a good player but absolutely not in amongst mbappe and haaland
Im a chelsea fan. I’ve never seen this comparison before LOL
Plus anyone who says that is just trolling anyways no1 really believes that
GK: Handanovic - Inter Milan
RB: Diogo Dalot - Man United
RCB: Bonucci - Juventus
LCB: Upamecano - Bayern
LB: Shaw - Man United
RDM: Jorginho - Chelsea
LDM: Kroos - Real Madrid
RAM: Asensio - Real Madrid
CAM: Felix - Atletico Madrid
LAM: Neymar - PSG
ST: Griezmann - Atletico Madrid
Bench (Honourable Mentions)
Donnarumma - PSG
Gimenez - Atletico Madrid
Lodi - Atletico Madrid
Fabinho - Liverpool
Valverde - Real Madrid
Sancho - Man United
Vinicius Jr - Real Madrid
Fabinho???????
Upamecano should be in the XI in my honest opinion
He’s that player where i always hear how amazing he is and yet everytime I see him play he looks terrible
Crazy that they didn't put upamecano for bayern. hes been tragic every time i see him play
By what measurable metric is there a big drop in quality from Man City to Liverpool? Genuinely curious.
I guess it's the resources that city have, the bench dept is amazing compared to Liverpool's. I'd say they have a better allround dept, while we are mainly stacked in attack i.e with world class talent, we've got lots of bodies in the midfield but I'd say barring Fabinho and Thiago we don't have an exceptional midfield player. Sure Hendo, Ox and Naby play well but Hendo is getting old, and his performances haven't been the best (tho that assist against Norwich the other day was very good), Ox has games where he's either very good in the game or just an invisible figure who keeps losing the ball, and naby well, i thot this season would be it, the season where we finally shows his full potential and the way he started it, it seemed that way but things have slowed down now. In the defence we've got a very very good starting line up with Dijk, Matip/Konate, Andy and Trent and they've been very consistent. Klopp giving Andy some breaks and letting Tsimikas play more has been good, he was getting way over played and Tsimikas has been solid. But against Norwich, when Trent was missing, one could see the struggle, I havnt been confident in Joe Gomez and i don't think he had a particularly good game either. We're a little to reliant on the first team, while city keeps changing, if there's a gap, another clog fills it, they're like a well oiled machine. I mean with people in the oil business they better be oiled! Sorry bout that, had jus realized i wrote "well OILED machine" and had to say it.
Also, edit, i agree there's a gap between City and Liverpool but I don't think it's as BIG of a drop as Pat says
Titles...
@@Max-ok8js thats clearly not what he's talking about, he's talking about how good the teams actually are right now and how likely they are to win the UCL as a result, not about trophies won in previous seasons
As a Madrid fan I agree with the Kroos choice.
I said he was overrated a year ago and someone who didn’t support Madrid said “no he’s literally world class” I told them the exact same thing, he had good passing but that’s it. He’s a good player but not as good as others say he is.
Also Carvajal is just not it lmao, still don’t get why Hakimi was sold when he came back from his amazing season at Dortmund
Looool mate hes tired after starting 27 consecutive games 😂😂. Without kroos we are abysmal in controlling the game and we have no control. Carvajal is definitely not great but these guys and you are soo wrong about kroos
@@ramansingh8899
Yeah they made it sound like he’s shit tbh. He’s not bad at all lol
Not gonna lie Kroos on the thumbnail triggered me. But i appreciate the argument, don’t agree but appreciate it😂😂
Sorry bro, but I don't see how you can appreciate it. For somebody to make such wild accusations about a player they hardly ever watch is just shocking. Nobody who's watched at least 50% of Kroos' games this season would say he's "overrated". Jorginho and Thiago get more plaudits than Kroos just because they play on better teams. Kroos is better than both of them. I don't think it's wise to appreciate such derogatory comments from people who don't watch the player they speak on. I would like to know an actual number of how many of Kroos' 28 games this season the guy in the middle has been bothered watch.
@@tharcisseofficial Firstly you mentioning Jorginho and Thiago getting more plaudits just adds more solidity to Pats view as HE GOES ON TO SUGGEST BOTH aswell. It shows you probably didn't watch the entire video before making this comment. Secondly, Pat and Co also state a large part of their rational behind including Kross was to gain clicks from angry people like yourself who will want to leave comments such as the one I'm replying too. It's almost comical!
@@QuotedPixels I did watch the whole video. Thiago was NEVER mentioned as overrated. The guy said Fabinho and Thiago were disappointing against Inter, but only referred to Fabinho as being over hyped sometimes. They included no Liverpool players and never said Thiago is overrated. Jorginho was mentioned, but it was argued that people don't overrate him anymore. That's a fair point, but it still doesn't make him less overrated than Kroos. Jorginho was on a Ballon d'Or podium. Kroos doesn't even make the 32-man shortlist. In regards to the "clickbait" thing, it's obvious that's how the others justified putting Kroos in, but the guy in the middle genuinely believes Kroos is overrated, which is moronic. He was sounding like he knew what he was talking about, but the words coming out of his mouth made it obvious he barely ever watches Madrid play.
@@tharcisseofficial I highly doubt that Pat thinks Jorginho is better or less overrated than Kross. In the video he refers to Jorginho as a limited player in a good team but reiterates the fact that Kross is still a good player. While I disagree with Kross' inclusion in this team ahead of the likes of Jorginho and others, I would agree that being one of my favourite players, even I overrate Kross, as he's probably not in the very top echelons of midfielders anymore
@@QuotedPixels The simple fact he doesn't make a 32-man Ballon d'Or list (whether you respect the award or not) is evidence enough that he's not overrated at all. Kroos has actually been excellent this season, besides that 1 game against PSG where the whole team was poor except Courtois. I've watched every single one of Kroos' 28 games this season and I barely hear people talk about him. The spotlight is always on Modric, Benzema, Vini, Militao, etc. even when Kroos performs exceptionally well. If anything, I'd say Kroos flies under the radar when Madrid perform. For this guy to say he's overrated is baffling.
Good stuff!
Pat is dead wrong on the Bayern defenders. I think every Bayern fan would tell you Hernandez is easily our best 1v1 defender. Upamecano is an absolute nightmare.
100 % agreed
He's so inconsistent for some reason and I'm a massive fan of his
@@G17x Well, I think he´d need to be played solely as CB. Also, Bayern defence can get very exposed at times. It´s not the defender's fault if they don´t stop the attacker runing at them 1v1 every single time, there´s different issue. But it´s always the defender who looks bad...
Rashford needs to be in there
pats opinion on the Chelsea side up to 12:05 is laughable, what way to tell us you don't watch Chelsea. chelsea control the possession in most cases just lacking finish product, to say they sit back and counter is just jokes
He said they are capable of doing not that they do it regularly
Kroos is still world class at what his role is , that is control the tempo .He never relied on pace he used his positional intelligence to defend, it’s just that he is in a midfield with another 36 year old modric .
but that's what they're saying...he's a world class tempo dictator and passer but its no longer enough to be world class at his role because it comes at the cost of any form of athleticism. kroos is literally one of them machines they use in training that pings the ball around...
Pat talking about Real not making it close to champions league final didn’t age well. They definitely overachieved what anyone’s original expectations were
I actually love listening to pat he’s by far and away the best at FD he’s. says things that are just smart and thought out and I always try to speak and think like him In situations In real life .
"Who Dosent (take a humiliation against city)" Spurs be like sit down big fella
Tell me what‘s the last time Carvajal played 10 games without getting injured? Please how could you say that Dani overratet? He hasn‘t played enough for the last 3 years. I do not think that he is going to be as good as he was, but I think he will become Top 5 right back again if he can stay injury free.
I'm a Madrid fan and I do think Carvajal is overrated at this point. It's up to him to prove he is not. The fact he hasn't played enough over the past 3 years adds to why he is overrated. He has to show us that he's still world class or else we can sign someone else and bench him. I'm tried of waiting for that guy to become a consistent baller. The main part of being world class is consistency.
Pat overlooks sporting thinking sarabia is the most known player, disregarding pedro goncalves, but says grealish isn’t overrated lmao
As a Real Madrid fan I agree with all 3 shouts. Kroos is too old to be starting every game and hes not better or I should say hes not more useful for a midfield than Valverde. Carvajal is still wc from a crossing passing department but he is a lot worse defensively then before and he lost a lot of pace due to injuries. Asensio is probably the worst one , he scores bangers and people rate him for it but he consistently fuks up 10 chances or counter attacks per game. Good job boys!
Kroos is not overrated at all. He's adequately rated. Nobody talks about Kroos as "amazing", yet he's basically a way better version of Jorginho who actually knows how to shoot. If people want to argue how good Kroos is, fair enough, but I'm not having that he's "overrated" when hardly anyone has mentioned him over the past 7 years, despite all he's done. He was no where near the worst players against PSG and has been excellent for Madrid this season. Asensio also isn't overrated. He hardly gets talked about and is also adequately rated. However, Carvajal is a definite shout for being overrated. He's somehow still considered one of the best RBs, despite being injured regularly for years. Serious questions have to be asked about how good he is and he's the one player at Madrid who you can definitely say is "overrated".
I thought they said one player from each time yet they picked two players from Bayren
Patrick naming Ronaldo is proof that Patrick is clueless lmao
"City 'big drop' Liverpool.." is quite a remarkable statement from someone who apparently knows a lot about football.
Can we talk about how good that Spurs game was
I think Werner will be good at Liverpool under Klopp in that false 9 role
This is why you aren’t a manager.
bro what?
What a great opinion saying Fabinho is overhyped Pat is really ,,smart" isn't he
Pat is spot on with the ronaldo slander. Obviously a goat but has really no place at a side as big as man utd at this point in his career, may score a couple goals but his drawbacks at this point in his career is really damaging to the system they try to play
Casemiro would get into any midfield in the world. Shows how much football these clowns really know. 0
Eh sorry to tell you guys, but euros dosnt clarify for us swedes. We use "swedish kronor". Otherwise this was great fun!
Do the same thing for the Europa League.
clip that when they do... real Madrid won the whole thing
This is more like underperforming more than over rated. Kai Havertz should definitely be in there and I'm a Chelsea fan, he's been so underwhelming for the hype he came with. Putting Werner is harsh imo
Joes comment on Real Madrid and the away goals rule just shows he has no idea about Real Madrid or watches any La liga, to start with benzema wasnt fit and ancelotti/Madrid have played this play since he joined again, ancelotti literally talked about playing this play when he started.
Liverpool are better than Manchester City, especially in knockout competitions.
Sorry Joe but no Madrid fan ever says Carvajal is one of the best rbs itw rn. We’ve been crying out for 2 seasons now for a new rb
Exactly..odriazola did not work out and vasquez is not a rb..carvajal is not good enough anymore and an upgrade is 100% needed for next season.
Bamba out and Dybala in and midfield pick would be Casemiro I know people who say he’s top 3 DM or top 5 and he doesn’t make me top 10 or so and I’m deffo missing obvisios
Kimmich
Fabinho
Kante
Veratti (him and Kante very close)
Declan Rice
F. De Jong (if you class him DM)
Rodri
Jorginho (playing him DM)
Bissouma
Kelvin Phillips (him and Bissouma are level)
This video should be called “Our UCL XI that are having bad seasons”
Damn asesenjo just scored again today tho. Thoughts boys? Idk he’s actually looked kinda good this season when he’s playing
He is terrible
I am a Madridista
Easily replaceable and wouldn’t be missed
Beautiful episode as always. Suggestion boys, I'd like to see an all time England XI or current North vs South prem XI. Good luck boys. Love from 🇦🇺
Sunday vibes makes my sunday better because off the storm in ireland ya alright
great show. those mic's are sensitive AF every time someone touches the table...
Sorry about that!
[Hamill]
How arrogant do you have to be to the point when a team like benfica or sporting comes up you say “don’t care, move on”
“He’s a bloke, he’s a guy” PVS is undefeated 😂 so glad he’s back
Grealish is easily overrated. Like i fail to comprehend how that is not obvious
So true!
Its spot on with the lineup love the Sunday vibes
Bro the second I heard kroos in this, I immediately considered leaving RUclips alone, it's literally for views at this point.
He put up a pretty reasonable argument. His legs are gone, not a world class midfielder for sure.
@@archiewall124 everything for attention and views nawadays, this is honestly horrible take
@@jabra_8910 you can’t even explain your point, says it all. Just rest mate if you can’t even make your own point.
Players get old and start to decline. Not exactly a hot take for views...even most madrid supporters would agree that its time to shakeup the midfield.
@@archiewall124 am not debating am I? Said my bit then minded my own business.
Would really like to know where joe got his hoodie/jumper from ?
Hernandez is Bayern’s best defender. Dropped the ball here guys… Süle and Upa Are much better shouts for most overrated
Kroos also doesnt deserve to be here.
How can Timo be in this when no one rates him ?
Neur was terrible for a 2 year spell, Buffon was bad for the last 2-3 years, de gea had a few bad seasons and others have had terrible Seasons.
Oblak has had a bad few months but other than that has been amazing.
0:42 they're at the best place to be stuck in a storm
If Toni Kroos is overrated;then you guys should just stop discussing football
@@viggomartinsson Highest Passing accuracy in UCL group stages
Most long balls p90 for a midfielder
Most passes into final 3rd
just leaving my comment here to see football daily's answer
I need to wash my ears man
14:09 did not age well at all 😂
Btw every fifa player knows kimpembe
Kroos is still a worldclass midfielder
L. Martinez has been really good this season till January where he dried up a bit but before that he was on fore
I’m an inter fan , before Jan he was definitely above average but I would definitely not say on fire
How is Ronaldo overrated 🤦 almost all of his goals in the UCL were match winners
The music loop is back :^D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hansi Flick is so clear of Nagelsmann
Pat sometimes is so outta pocket with his takes my god, humble up lad
Pats one of the smartest on there, he says the odd contraversial thing now and then but what he said about grealish was spot on especially, the only poor thing he said was mentioning Ronaldo, it seems to be you that need to humble up mate.
@@louiselliott389 Ronaldo is overrated
Better late than never, let's gooo🔥🔥
sadio mane. mane is considered by prem watchers to be world class when hes had 1 borderline world class season and is most definitely in the bracket below world class.
I was just thinking if it would be a good deal for arsenal to sign timo werner, with some discount that is…
Marina would never sell someone who could still be good to a rival, it would only make us look bad if Werner stars for Arsenal and she's a lot smarter than that, more likely he'll be sold back to Germany for like 20-30m
@@franzreyes846 u nvr know, if no intrst from germany(bayern may look him for rplacing lewa, though), werner to arsenal may happen
Oblak is having a terrible season but that’s not the same as being overrated.
Rashford, Upamecano and Grealish should be in.
Grealish? Hahahaha you clearly don’t watch football.
@@louiselliott389 I have an opinion other than yours so I must not watch football, OK champ.
As a Chelsea fan I disagree on Werner he’s not really rated by anyone. My choice would be Pulisic, Lukaku or Jorginho. Mount probably can enter this although he’s the most overgassed player I’ve seen but he’ll pass with his g/a numbers.
I agree with Lukaku and Pulisic. But not Jorginho and Mount.
Mount is probably our most consistent attacking player and I feel like we a worse team when Jorginho isn't playing sometimes.
How is Kroos overrated?? Yes he has declined but he is still a class player
Yeah he is still laliga best mid with modric
@@yoluno147 La Liga is terrible league now. Dominating in it doesn't necessarily mean that you're still class. I don't agree with pato given a real Madrid midfield can't function without kroos. I'd say modric actually. He's still quite a class player but people think playing week in and week out in a terrible la Liga still makes uu great and it doesn't. Modric is definitely overrated. Not a bad player, but people still thinking he's one of the world's best midfielders is ridiculous
People cant appreciate deep lying midfielder role
@@juniorkhomari1850 true
@@juniorkhomari1850 it's not terrible to be honest it's not as it used to be cause barca real and atleti are not at their best but there's still competition from the smaller teams
Pat needs to be binned for Mc-Cub, Zac or just a weekly rotating guest. The guy would rather check the stats at the end of the game and make his decision from that, rather than watching the game. Got talk-sport written all over him.
Marcus rashford so far this season has to be a shout.
United fan here and while Rashford has been shocking for a while he’s probably the most abused player in our fanbase who consistently starts so can’t really call him overrated
For United I’d say Ronaldo
@@OliSwuz07 yeah thats fair enough, I never see that slander so assumed people weren't being as harsh on him
Lucas Hernandez is the best cb in Bayern i dont know what are you talking about
How isn't Messi in this team, 2 goals in a farmers league
Exactly he hasn’t done a thing and they just gifted him another ballon d’or
arsenal fans shouldn't be allowed to talk about ucl
What? Upamecano over hernandez? Do you even watch bayern? Upa has been soooo bad.
yea Upamecano has been subbed off multiple times at half time because he played so poor. I'm sure he can turn into a great defender for bayern but he hasn't found his feet yet.
@@lps2013 remember everyone was criticizing sane for his first season? Now he’s a beast in the second season so don’t judge too fast
@@daviesfc8906 Upamecano has always been overrated and mistake prone. He’s just not a great defender. He’s not underperforming, this is who he is.
Werner is not rated, how did he end up here?
Ikr
Joe wrangled him in, ha!
[Hamill]
Shocker that rashford isn't in here. I hope he recovers his form in time for the world cup.
He kinda ain’t rated either now tho no?
I thought this was supposed to be overrated player. Rather than that most of player here is underperforming player. 🤔🤔
Can I get a list? I dont really have time to watch this whole thing
47:40
@@MoSaNjskiZri hvala ti. Interesantno, nema engleskih igraca
I’ve been saying it kroos is a great player but has been limiting this Madrid team for years ‘now he even doesn’t have impact for Germany now
Here after Real Madrid’s comeback…. This aged poorly 😅