four winns was never a great brand. In this era Baja owned the other brands in price/perceived quality. four winns. crown. wellcraft. they were somewhere between the bayliner and the baja's which were all just looking up to Donzi's Fountains and Scarabs.
@@benjaminmurphy6933 really depends on The Set-up and The Prop you are running I've been on a Few Boat's that will do well over 70mph I Grew up In Michigan On Lake Michigan now a Boat it a Regular Small block 350 correct 50 mph
@@phoenixarizona8441 uhhhh 🙄 no.!. I was probably conceived on a boat. Been on, own and around boats since I was born. A boat of that size, weight and stock 350- not going to do over 70mph……. A small tunnel, pickle fork might squeeze 70 with a small block- but ur talking a complete different design and purpose. For that boat to see that speed it would have to be a built small block. Cause even with a prop aimed for higher speeds- the boat would fall on its face trying to get out the hole to even get on plane and reach that speed.
@@phoenixarizona8441 🤦🏻♂️ sorry, I just woke up, and see u agree with the small block and that boat doing 50….. yes- boats with a decent motor and propped correctly can do 70+…… the Boat I regret selling is my Daytona with twin out boards.!.!.
Nice job! Great boats, I purchased a 1989 Liberator 211 this summer. Once you get them cleaned up and running they are extremely reliable. Didnt know anything about 350 chevys myself, but they are a lot easier to work on. Throw some seafoam in the gas to help clean out the engine. Good luck!
Dude picked up mine and lucky they left the cover off and it was in a dry location ...But i have t repair all the flooring .... seems like u got pretty lucky to be honest
@@johnnyrebel3340 I have read that the king cobra outdrives had a tendency to cause the boat to porpoise. I never had one, I did have a cobra and when OMC was going broke I went to rebuild my drive and I used a seal kit from OMC and most of the “O” rings were the wrong size. I ended up taking it to the dealership to get rebuilt. That being said I think there are lots of parts available for them now. This was before they were bought by BRP and before Sierra and others started making lots of parts.
@@ENFEbbnFlow 70 kilometres per hour maybe. It's a big heavy sterndrive with a carby. (yes, based on a 350). I reckon 45 on a good day. Watch those manifolds for internal rot as they are known to let go and hydrolock the motor. And dont skimp on the water pump impellers or lower unit oil.
Marine engines sitting 10 years get a oil bath in all cylinders. Soak 1 day, turn 90 degrees, soak 1 day for every 90 degrees then it's ready to crank, fresh gas can to fuel pump. Clean cap and button, fresh plugs, and a cheap lite oil and filter change. Remove coil wire, now crank till oil pressure is up, coil wire back on. Go for launch. These will it start vids without consideration of the rotating assembly. Yes it will start after you rebuild it because you busted the rings on stuck cylinders and wiped out the cam bearings because of no oil. Better yet, time the motor, number 1 TDC, pull distributor and drill up oil pressure with a extension tool.
Make sure transome solid an go with 202 valves mild cam run ngk plugs an ya it makes big duff put a stingray hydrofoil on outdrive will get put hole an on plane real fast an if ya can find one runs 19 to 21 pitch stainless prop a stiletto b at prop for the liberators I found for top speed I did 70 no problem two people an full tank an if ya really want power put a low profile like under hood size super charger for that to a friend's checkmate that was sim to lib with Mer gm 350 an was animal
You tossed the flame arrestor which is not an air filter. A little clean up will make it fine. It would have prevented your big backfire. Buy a new flame arrestor if yours is unsalvageable.
Do yourself a favor. Get it running and sell it. Fourwinns Liberators are great boats. I own one myself. But yours has the OMC version of the Chevy 350 with 260hp. The problem is with the OMC outdrives. They blow up very easy and are almost impossible to find parts for. Most parts end up having to be fabricated. Then you have to find someone who is willing to work on OMC stuff. That wasn't an air filter It's a spark arrestor and it prevents back fires through the carb from starting fires. You're probably going to have to replace the exhaust manifolds and risers too. If it sat that long the runners are going to be rotted out and they will make the engine overheat. Also better replace the water pump impeller located in the outdrive because that's gotta be dry rotted for sure. There's no way on earth that boat ever saw 70mph unless it was when it was being towed down the highway. It's a 50 to 55mph boat on its best day with a small block.
Thanks for the valuable input! Yeah we weren't going to dive into it completely. Just wanted to get it on the water. I'll pass the info along to the owner!
It kinda chaps my ass that all I had to do was get a liberator with a 260 hp 350 and an omc outdrive and I could have been doing 70 mph. LOL Thanks for pointing out that with that combination 70 mph would only be achieved while being towed. My boat was a lot faster before I took a gps out on it. It ran 60-65 mph on the speedometer. The GPS lied and said that I was really running about 45 mph with a Volvo Penta AQ290. I got it up to 58 when I put a 383 stroker with a blower on it and the same 290A outdrive. I just put a 525SC built to 600 hp at the crank with a bravo one drive. I have captain's call with a 4" exhaust, a drive shower and exterior hydrolic assist steering. According to my mechanic there is more power to be had by adding a intercooler and changing pullies. That would also mean I would have to change the outdrive to a Bravo XR. A lot of time, money, trips to the lake, adjustments and tweaks to get to this point. It's been about 3 years to get all the bugs worked out. I've ran mid 60's and it was starving for more fuel. We put bigger pick ups in the fuel tanks this past winter. When we would get just above 4100 rpm it would start coughing and was staving for fuel. It's setup to run 5200 rpm. At WOT. We should get close to 80 if everything is right with the set up. Even at that we may still have to ad some k-planes to help stabilize the boat. A boat from the factory running 40-50 mph in the 70's and 80's was a fast boat. There are bass boats, cats, center consoles, even rib boats that will do 70 and above but their price tag will reflect that as well.
you sure on that about the OMC outdrives?? cause the Cobra and King Cobra are easy to find parts for. i have one in the UK and it was easy as pie finding bits for it. most of it off the shelf or shipped from the states. the older OMC outdrives that the whole engine and drive swivelled are the pain in the ass ones.
How did your Tacoma do at towing the boat? I have 1999 GMC 2500 I use to tow my 1989 Liberator. Thought about upgrading to a newer truck. I didn't think a Tacoma have enough power to tow that boat. Also mine get 46mph, owners manual says around 52 max for that boat.
He had it to 70 km/h lol Deff not 70 MPH. That's a 50 mph boat all day long with a 21p running healthy. I had two 211 liberators one with a 350 and one with a 454 bravo 1.
Did you just hook the external tank to the fuel/water seperator using a hose with a primer bulb? Or will the fuel pump suck out of an external tank with out it.
Just a big marine battery from auto zone. Don’t forget you have a cranking battery and a secondary battery. The cranking battery is for cranking and the other is a battery to serve as a slow discharge like keeping your lights on. Make sure you buy a cranking battery!!!
@@mikehd3904 optima kinda suck. an orbital is the same exact battery sold under Napa brand. the little oddysee AGM batteries are bad ass but they suck nuts in the cold. {not really an issue for hot rods} we use two odysee's placed bottom to bottom laying on their sides. that way you get 2 batts in each regular sized battery box.
I don't know shit about boats and was wondering if you could swap an OMC for a Mercruiser or jet drive.If not,why not?Just more trouble than it's worth?
Jet drive wouldn’t be worth the amount of fiberglass work and fabrication, you can swap pretty much any engine you want into a boat with some knowledge, omc engines and mercruisers use Chevy blocks and are basically the same with some minor differences
I have almost 1k subscribers and you have 35. I make and edit my videos and you steal others videos. You need to look out the window of you moms attack and take a hint. lmao
First thing u check when buying an old clapped none takin care of engine is your bank account then the exhaust manifolds and most over looked is the case wall starboard side for any obvious breaks or cracks Example if u look down and see 6-7 litres of oil sitting in the engine bay Don’t buy it
Dude you should never use starting fluid or carb cleaner to start a dry engine that's been sitting that long. Use some 40:1 fuel with two stroke oil in it down the bowls of the carb. It gives it at least some kind of lubrication. Brake clean, carb cleaner, starting fluid is a real good way to wipe a cam lobe. Also causes cylinder wash. Not good.
if thats a 350 mercruiser - should be 260hp. It will have power steering. It it doesnt have power steering - its probably a 305 - 228 hp. thats probably a 260 horse 350 ci. HE said 23 ft. Looks about right. That boat will do low 60's probably.
@levberiv first, it's not my house, but then I asked myself why this waste of life is commenting on people's videos, then realized he has no videos, no life and probably no house and family of his own. It all makes sense. My God....
There was a time when that boat was boss. I love the older muscle boats!!😀😀😀😀
Indeed!
four winns was never a great brand. In this era Baja owned the other brands in price/perceived quality. four winns. crown. wellcraft. they were somewhere between the bayliner and the baja's which were all just looking up to Donzi's Fountains and Scarabs.
True, but whatever gets you on the water is better than sitting and dreaming on land.
Every boat seller - "It's a 70 mph boat all day". Reality is 50 mph on a good day. lol
🤘🏼🤣 you have definitely been around the boat scene. As soon as I heard Chevy 350, 23ft boat and 70mph I already knew it was far fetched.
Even 50 is pushing it for that lead sled. 45 would be my guess
@@benjaminmurphy6933 really depends on The Set-up and The Prop you are running I've been on a Few Boat's that will do well over 70mph I Grew up In Michigan On Lake Michigan now a Boat it a Regular Small block 350 correct 50 mph
@@phoenixarizona8441 uhhhh 🙄 no.!. I was probably conceived on a boat. Been on, own and around boats since I was born. A boat of that size, weight and stock 350- not going to do over 70mph……. A small tunnel, pickle fork might squeeze 70 with a small block- but ur talking a complete different design and purpose. For that boat to see that speed it would have to be a built small block. Cause even with a prop aimed for higher speeds- the boat would fall on its face trying to get out the hole to even get on plane and reach that speed.
@@phoenixarizona8441 🤦🏻♂️ sorry, I just woke up, and see u agree with the small block and that boat doing 50….. yes- boats with a decent motor and propped correctly can do 70+…… the Boat I regret selling is my Daytona with twin out boards.!.!.
No way in hell the owner had a 20 liberator with a 350 going 70 mph!! Maybe 50-55 tops on its best day. Those were cool boats back in the day.
The 5.7 can probably hit 60... but not 70.
I've got a Bryant 214 with a injected 5.7 and it will do 58
It’s not a filter. It’s called a spark arrester. It’s there to contain any any pops and sputters on ignition.
Loved this type of projects, thanks for sharing
liberator is a very popular boat. I hope it turns out. that's a gem!
You may want to replace some hoses before heading out on the water, also a working builge pump. Boat sitting 15yrs = A lot of dry rott.
He was blowing smoke on the 70 mph comment
I can't wait to see more of this series!!
Be sure to subscribe! New video on the way!!! (we took it to the water and it DID NOT go well) LOL!
@@ENFEbbnFlow it didn't blow up and it made it back to the dock so it wasn't a complete loss.
Liberators were bad ass boats and were hard to come by at one time
Indeed!
Like the video. Just bought the exact same one. Mines is red and white.
Sweet! Theyre great boats.
Wesley's Wheel White would take 95 percent of that mold off. Boat looks awesome buddy.
Nice job! Great boats, I purchased a 1989 Liberator 211 this summer. Once you get them cleaned up and running they are extremely reliable. Didnt know anything about 350 chevys myself, but they are a lot easier to work on. Throw some seafoam in the gas to help clean out the engine. Good luck!
Thanks! I actually just took it out to the water and what a beast! New videos coming up so be sure to subscribe! 👌👌👌
Already did lol, looking forward to the next video. Just had mine out as well! So is this guy going to let you keep the boat?
The question is, do I want it! Haha who whats what'll happen but I'll keep yall up to date!
This is awesome I just picked up one a few weeks ago
Thanks for watching! What year is yours? And is it a 201??
Dude picked up mine and lucky they left the cover off and it was in a dry location ...But i have t repair all the flooring .... seems like u got pretty lucky to be honest
great video man keep it up !!!!!
No way that boat does 70! Even when it’s new! My 22 Pachanga with the 350 mag would only go 62.
Yikes, a KingCobra! Can be a problem out drive but if the price was right worth the risk.
@@johnnyrebel3340 I have read that the king cobra outdrives had a tendency to cause the boat to porpoise. I never had one, I did have a cobra and when OMC was going broke I went to rebuild my drive and I used a seal kit from OMC and most of the “O” rings were the wrong size. I ended up taking it to the dealership to get rebuilt. That being said I think there are lots of parts available for them now. This was before they were bought by BRP and before Sierra and others started making lots of parts.
Hey man congrats to you your production is very impressive you deserve more Subs
No way it ever got up to 70mph...45-50 tops...cool boat tho
Yea, I find it hard to believe, 70 mph. No way
I don't know speed boats too much, it's what I was told!!!
I agree. That 350 makes what, 210hp, maybe? No way it ran 70mph unless it'd modified.
@@ENFEbbnFlow 70 kilometres per hour maybe. It's a big heavy sterndrive with a carby. (yes, based on a 350). I reckon 45 on a good day. Watch those manifolds for internal rot as they are known to let go and hydrolock the motor. And dont skimp on the water pump impellers or lower unit oil.
I had a Superboat 24 with a 496 375 HP topped out at 75 ! I have to agree that .45-50 tops in his boat !
Incredible! Nice work :-)
Thank you!!!
Marine engines sitting 10 years get a oil bath in all cylinders. Soak 1 day, turn 90 degrees, soak 1 day for every 90 degrees then it's ready to crank, fresh gas can to fuel pump. Clean cap and button, fresh plugs, and a cheap lite oil and filter change. Remove coil wire, now crank till oil pressure is up, coil wire back on. Go for launch. These will it start vids without consideration of the rotating assembly. Yes it will start after you rebuild it because you busted the rings on stuck cylinders and wiped out the cam bearings because of no oil. Better yet, time the motor, number 1 TDC, pull distributor and drill up oil pressure with a extension tool.
wow, nice boat. i have a 205 sundowner 88´-----
Sweet!
50 mph max with a strong tailwind.
I can smell it from here. 😀
Haha you wouldn't be standing!
Got my boat and owner said yea 60 mph maybe a little more. 50 is max. It’s sad to see such a beautiful boat left to rot. I’ll never understand people
People with more money than brains let nice cars and boats get in this condition. But there's hope here.
260 hp the 350 Chevy small block
I know the liberators well I have built 4 of them I like the older ones more
Just starting on my rebuild any advice
Make sure transome solid an go with 202 valves mild cam run ngk plugs an ya it makes big duff put a stingray hydrofoil on outdrive will get put hole an on plane real fast an if ya can find one runs 19 to 21 pitch stainless prop a stiletto b at prop for the liberators I found for top speed I did 70 no problem two people an full tank an if ya really want power put a low profile like under hood size super charger for that to a friend's checkmate that was sim to lib with Mer gm 350 an was animal
Can I use a 1998 big block 460
If there is a will there is a way!!!
that carb looks like a 4bbl Holley double pumper... hell ya !!
Hellll yeH!!!
Nope, not a double pumper. Sorry
@@walkingman9171 either way looks like a 4 bbl carb that will do the job
@@storytimewithunclekumaran5004 Agreed
You tossed the flame arrestor which is not an air filter. A little clean up will make it fine. It would have prevented your big backfire. Buy a new flame arrestor if yours is unsalvageable.
Never tossed it! Watch next video!
Do yourself a favor. Get it running and sell it. Fourwinns Liberators are great boats. I own one myself. But yours has the OMC version of the Chevy 350 with 260hp. The problem is with the OMC outdrives. They blow up very easy and are almost impossible to find parts for. Most parts end up having to be fabricated. Then you have to find someone who is willing to work on OMC stuff. That wasn't an air filter It's a spark arrestor and it prevents back fires through the carb from starting fires. You're probably going to have to replace the exhaust manifolds and risers too. If it sat that long the runners are going to be rotted out and they will make the engine overheat. Also better replace the water pump impeller located in the outdrive because that's gotta be dry rotted for sure. There's no way on earth that boat ever saw 70mph unless it was when it was being towed down the highway. It's a 50 to 55mph boat on its best day with a small block.
Thanks for the valuable input! Yeah we weren't going to dive into it completely. Just wanted to get it on the water. I'll pass the info along to the owner!
It kinda chaps my ass that all I had to do was get a liberator with a 260 hp 350 and an omc outdrive and I could have been doing 70 mph. LOL
Thanks for pointing out that with that combination 70 mph would only be achieved while being towed.
My boat was a lot faster before I took a gps out on it. It ran 60-65 mph on the speedometer. The GPS lied and said that I was really running about 45 mph with a Volvo Penta AQ290. I got it up to 58 when I put a 383 stroker with a blower on it and the same 290A outdrive.
I just put a 525SC built to 600 hp at the crank with a bravo one drive. I have captain's call with a 4" exhaust, a drive shower and exterior hydrolic assist steering. According to my mechanic there is more power to be had by adding a intercooler and changing pullies. That would also mean I would have to change the outdrive to a Bravo XR. A lot of time, money, trips to the lake, adjustments and tweaks to get to this point. It's been about 3 years to get all the bugs worked out. I've ran mid 60's and it was starving for more fuel. We put bigger pick ups in the fuel tanks this past winter. When we would get just above 4100 rpm it would start coughing and was staving for fuel. It's setup to run 5200 rpm. At WOT. We should get close to 80 if everything is right with the set up. Even at that we may still have to ad some k-planes to help stabilize the boat. A boat from the factory running 40-50 mph in the 70's and 80's was a fast boat.
There are bass boats, cats, center consoles, even rib boats that will do 70 and above but their price tag will reflect that as well.
you sure on that about the OMC outdrives?? cause the Cobra and King Cobra are easy to find parts for. i have one in the UK and it was easy as pie finding bits for it. most of it off the shelf or shipped from the states. the older OMC outdrives that the whole engine and drive swivelled are the pain in the ass ones.
@@MadBiker77 I'm sure.
@@MadBiker77 I have a Cobra and was thinking the same thing, easy finding parts
How did your Tacoma do at towing the boat? I have 1999 GMC 2500 I use to tow my 1989 Liberator. Thought about upgrading to a newer truck. I didn't think a Tacoma have enough power to tow that boat.
Also mine get 46mph, owners manual says around 52 max for that boat.
I don't even feel it behind me when towing it!
I tow my 20’ dusky behind my Tacoma with dual axle trailer. Does great!
I'm working on a Four Winns Vista right now. Mine will need some more work than this though.
He had it to 70 km/h lol Deff not 70 MPH. That's a 50 mph boat all day long with a 21p running healthy. I had two 211 liberators one with a 350 and one with a 454 bravo 1.
10:26 have you got water connected up?
Hell yeah 👍👍👍🤘🤘🤘
Did you just hook the external tank to the fuel/water seperator using a hose with a primer bulb? Or will the fuel pump suck out of an external tank with out it.
Yes, right to the pump and water separator, not directly to the carb.
What type of batteries did you end up putting on to get a good crank ?
Just a big marine battery from auto zone. Don’t forget you have a cranking battery and a secondary battery. The cranking battery is for cranking and the other is a battery to serve as a slow discharge like keeping your lights on. Make sure you buy a cranking battery!!!
Get optima Dry cell , blue is marine I think,optima is unreal
@@mikehd3904 optima kinda suck. an orbital is the same exact battery sold under Napa brand. the little oddysee AGM batteries are bad ass but they suck nuts in the cold. {not really an issue for hot rods} we use two odysee's placed bottom to bottom laying on their sides. that way you get 2 batts in each regular sized battery box.
That's not a filter that's a spark arrestor it keeps it's from starting fires if it back fires
And it should be on when he’s starting it up like this
@@EdwardT9 yep exactly
Should have lubed the cylinders with Trans fluid before you fired it
Hi there, I did, I put marvel mystery oil
hey bud,what part of the country are you in?
Wouldn't try to get it running before putting all the hard work into the boat
No oil change, or gear fluid change?
I did all of that off camera as it's not very interesting!
I love liberators but I’d bet a paycheck this never went 70
It will go 70 on the trailer behind the tow truck.
Replace the impeller in the foot I know it’s dry rotted
I don't know shit about boats and was wondering if you could swap an OMC for a Mercruiser or jet drive.If not,why not?Just more trouble than it's worth?
Jet drive wouldn’t be worth the amount of fiberglass work and fabrication, you can swap pretty much any engine you want into a boat with some knowledge, omc engines and mercruisers use Chevy blocks and are basically the same with some minor differences
Not an air filter is a flame arrestor.
OMC.... they have not made parts for that thing in over 20 years
Crazy!
Another new RUclipsr who loves to hear themselves talk. Please watch some of the other restoration videos and take a hint. Ugggh!
I have almost 1k subscribers and you have 35. I make and edit my videos and you steal others videos. You need to look out the window of you moms attack and take a hint. lmao
Man you need a Chevy/ GMC lol
Indeed!
what is an inboard outboard lol
Stingray?
doesnt sound like its runing on all 8 and the temp maybe a result of that.
First thing u check when buying an old clapped none takin care of engine is your bank account then the exhaust manifolds and most over looked is the case wall starboard side for any obvious breaks or cracks
Example if u look down and see 6-7 litres of oil sitting in the engine bay
Don’t buy it
Love everything about it minus the OMC engine 🤢
I agree, but after 10 years it still worked!!!
It s a 4 barrel Holly carb
Thanks!
That 350 doesn’t sound stock at all…
You needed a pressure washer.
Does having a boat get you more girls? I'm in desperate need of attention
Depends where ya go I know of some hang outs where boats will get ya lots of fun if ever have chance be spri g go to lake Havasu az area
I recommend a yacht if it's women you're after.
Even kayak gets you a hot girl bro💯
Backfires oh idk if that’s good on not check ur timing bud
its a 4 barrel and your carb is bad
That poor engine, should of at least freed up the rings. 😬😬😬
Dude were gloves,,
When he got 70mph it was probably on the trailer going downhill.
UMMMMMMM That filter is NON existent
Dude you should never use starting fluid or carb cleaner to start a dry engine that's been sitting that long. Use some 40:1 fuel with two stroke oil in it down the bowls of the carb. It gives it at least some kind of lubrication. Brake clean, carb cleaner, starting fluid is a real good way to wipe a cam lobe. Also causes cylinder wash. Not good.
Yes, I know, I had marvel mystery oil in the cylinders
maybe 70 with a 454 no way with 350,
nope I had a 241 with the big block and the best I ever got was 60mph half tank fuel just me in the boat 21p prop...
Reverse Jaws statement............"You're gonna need a bigger truck........"
Na actually I don't notice it behind me when I'm towing it! Tacomas do great with towing.
Boy youre a bright one huh? Cranking the trailer winch and wondering why the tongue isn't lowering to the truck..some ppls kids.
Your mom's lowering her tongue on my hitch right now
if thats a 350 mercruiser - should be 260hp. It will have power steering. It it doesnt have power steering - its probably a 305 - 228 hp. thats probably a 260 horse 350 ci. HE said 23 ft. Looks about right. That boat will do low 60's probably.
Соседи тебя ненавидят ? :)
I was wondering why he did not use a 3% bleach solution...then I looked at the side of his house. My god...
@levberiv first, it's not my house, but then I asked myself why this waste of life is commenting on people's videos, then realized he has no videos, no life and probably no house and family of his own. It all makes sense. My God....
You u don't have enough to talk the boat
You don't have enough to talk
Really you don't know the difference between a 4barrel and a 2 barrel.your dangerous
At least I know the difference between "your" and "you're"!!!
LOL 70 MPH id be impressed if it does 50, 70 would take double the power or more.