After this video even with the Elder God speaking of the frozen wastes, when traveling through Dumah's territory, now I see all the particles and ground textures there as volcanic ash. Seeing it in Turel's territory has changed the context for me. This drastically and permanently changes my perception of that area now, and by extension the game a little more. The true devastation, the dying world, earth and water poisoned, the land drained barren, caked in ash in places, the sun a sickly torch desperately trying to penetrate the smog that smothers it all.
After all this years... getting closure from the day the Elder God said "Dumah's and Turel's clan territory lays north of the pillars". They have been a blast this concecutive uploads.
If they ever do a remake of the series, I hope they do what the original creators wanted to do, rather than what they were forced to do due to time-constraints, like having Turel be killed in Soul Reaver instead of being shoe-horned into Defiance.
@@LordProteus How can they do a remake of the series like that when there wouldn't even be a series if the original creators were able to fulfil their initial plans for this game? The whole thing would have ended with Soul Reaver 1. In fact Soul Reaver wouldn't even have been made, instead Blood Omen 2 would have been made by Silicon Knights. In a way we're lucky things turned out the way they did considering how much better Soul Reaver 2 and Defiance turned out to be than the original plan.
But Turel will be missing or they will have to re do some story elements in defiance. As long as this game gets a remake and it stays true. I am open to almost everything. I'll always have the originals!
Your website nourished my curiousity way before youtube even existed. It may have been one of first bookmarks ever. Fuck, I‘m still jealous of your tattoo. I finally found you again! Glad to see these pics of Turel’s Domain in motion.
It's hard to put into words how watching this made me feel. Ben, I've been a long time follower of your content. I've read it all, listened to it all, and took in every single scrap of content these games had cut from their final releases. But to watch actual video of Turel's cut area, almost 21 years after the game's release.....man, it just stirs up all kinds of emotions. Thank you so much for sharing this. It made my whole day, and probably my month!
Man that is amazing. I can't even grasp how it must have felt for the original team to get even that far in this area and then have to amputate it because of time. I think that's the most heart wrenching part about all of this is that typically when you hear about things cut from a game it usually revolves around things barely out of conceptual art. Most of these ideas made it all the way to alpha builds which is pretty damn deep in development if I understand correctly. At least we can appreciate it all now here and in Raina's videos you all developed together. Side note: On the areas where there was no way to jump to, would it have been possible you had to possess another enemy to make something appear from that range? I know a lot of enemies aren't even present so that may be it.
Some of the puzzles probably involve possession, but most of the ones I mention in the videos are places where the player has to progress quite a way past the jump, and that wouldn't have been possible with a possessed enemy. The movement controls for them are very, very basic.
@@legacyofkainthelostworlds-4916 It is also likely that the wind draft created by the hot magma would allow Raziel to glide upwards in certain sections of this area. Spectral realm should also be taken into account.
This is so thorough! Amazing work! The mind control would have been such an awesome ability to have in this game, its so cool to see it shown here! Honestly, well done! I love how Turel was one of the biggest secrets we all tried to figure out in the old days, I remember theorising, searching endlessly as a kid to understand where he and his lair was!
Man... that's the dream. But, she is working on some obscure company and crystal dynamics is developing an avengers game. Got my fingers crossed for it to be crystals next project or bluepoints current project (guys that remade shadow of the collosus).
Incredible work. Thank you for your in-depth analysis on the cut areas, and here's to hoping that we'll see a "complete" version of Soul Reaver some day!
This is unbelievably brilliant. Kudos to you and everyone who helped uncover this. Seeing more footage of that ramp seen in so many promos is giving me chills.
The first type of lava is more like cooled volcanic rock,still igneous but bearable for Raziel. Touching it,most likely would have slowly damage him until it would send him into the spectral realm. The Magma type most likely would have sent him directly to the Elder God's presence at the botom of the abyss. I bet the use of the Fire glyph would have allowed Raziel to navigate this area more easily. I think that Raziel is making water mix with the magma,to create steam and power the turbine....if that's the case the parts where Raziel gets burned may be areas where "animated" magma runs on the corridors.
coolest looking level. It always bugged me that turel was never seen yet his flags and clan are seen everywhere. Hopefully one day they release a remastered version with the graphics cleaned up, and you can pick in the beginning whether you want to play the retail version or the uncut originally intended version. I would gladly pay 400 bucks for it easy.
Damn, I honestly would've preferred this Turel over the one from Defiance. It's also surprising to know that we would've killed Turel pretty early in his territory when compared to the other brethren.
Probably, because there is not so much to be done with his ability for story progression. So it needed more uses, or it felt useless except for Puzzles scatered through the Open world.
@@DundG I wondered how we were originally going to gain the first level of the telekinetic projectile ability, and who we would've got it from since Turel's dialogue and boss fight was pretty much reused for that tomb guardian.
@@michaelburke7978 from the said tomb guardian I guess, since he still exists in the prototypes. Maybe he is an exceptionaly powerfull Turelim and his soul transfers a lesser form of telikinesis than turel? Turelim are the strongest remaining Vampire clan as Turel got, second to Raziel, the biggest part of Kains gift, so it seems natural that his children have also more of the gift in their Soul. And the guardian seemed exceptionaly rich in it. I know in the final Game you get some artifact after Killing him, but I guess they used it to Trigger the glyph cutscene because they got no time to create a new one for him.
Imagine a remake of all the saga, and when you complete all the games, you can unlock the original ending of soul reaver 1 with this areas, the ariel encounter and the final showdown with kain!
I notice that Turel was originally more humanoid than he appeared in Defiance which would have originally meant that those who got the strongest portion of Kain's gift was less likely to devolve into huge bestial monsters like Melchiah, Zephon and Rabab did while Dumah, Turel and ultimately Raziel himself would have remained humanoid but more monstrous in appearance if he wasn't thrown to the abyss.
Not Alpharius That would make perfect sense, and also be the shit. Like after surviving through the abyss and overcoming his tormentors, he ascends into a dragon-like form. But then what would he do afterwards?
This are very complex and intresting passages from the game. It also could lead to more storytelling that may have been deleted too. Its so complex that sounds like some kind of nightmare. The creativity they took for this is pretty amazing.
This is awesome! I used to love breaching areas within the old Polygon/3D games in during the PSX era, like the TR series, Fighting Force, Siphon Filter, Metal Gear Solid, and several others, to find hidden locations on maps and such. There was a unique thrill, to venturing beyond a game's intended rendered area, causing you to fall through the map, or walk along surfaces without texturing and such. This game was one of my all time favorites of that era, and there were many times I would deliberately push through a certain wall-texture, or get snagged between surfaces, and fall through the floor to continue swimming under the map, and try to resurface into a new area. Sometimes doing this would prevent certain enemies from triggering, causing them to be motionless "statues", unanimated and harmless, until you attacked them and they would just suddenly shift becoming a dead body on the ground without any of the in-between animations of them falling down to the ground. Such great times. Thanks for sharing this video.
I still remember the first time I played this game and just looking all over the place for Turel. I then thought well maybe Turel was that one vampire that gives you the telekinesis power, but I thought it was such a weak fight. The game just felt so incomplete without the Turel territory. I remember 2 years later or so Soul Reaver 2 came out and still I never saw Turel, and it was till Defiance I finally saw what happened to Turel but it just felt kinda forced into the game, I would have prefered this over Defiance lame Turel anyday.
Adding to the confusion, the vampire who gives you the telekinesis ability was referred to as "Morlock" in game walkthroughs, and "the Morlock boss" was Turel's internal codename.
Es muy triste que todo este material no exista en la version final, hubiese hecho la experiencia mas epica y satisfactoria de lo que originalmente digerimos todos los que lo jugamos en su dia.
Imagine a remake that restores all the cut content, but no developers has the balls to touch this IP, they all are aware of how great this franchise is.
Finally! Oh man, if they ever remake this game I want to see this so much. also, between your Animatrix robotic voice and the music, I feel like I'm in 2003 again. Also 2, the possessing ability makes so much sense. I remember in Defiance when Raziel comes to the living realm by possessing a monster I was like "...wtf?". Thanks for your videos.
He doesn't possess a monster. The Elder God deprives him of the ability to materialize in the physical realm, so he's forced to use a corpse to do it. It's not possession, since he's not robbing someone of their autonomy and occupying their body, it's more him using a decomposed body to turn it into his own. The first time he does so he emerges from a grave. It's exactly what he does when he takes Moebius' dead body at the end. Of course, a whole different kind of ability, considering he's basically occupying a different corpse each time, but manages to make them all look like his own. He does the exact same in a split second after taking Moebius' body. How he does this was never even explained. But him keeping the possesion ability would've helped give it some basis.
Zimitry I think that when Raziel defeats Turel in Defiance, he gains the ability to possess others by forcing them to utter the thoughts from their corrupted minds out of their mouths. He does this to Turel the moment he gets it, whether consciously or not, and I believe that’s why both him and Mortanius suddenly start speaking out of character without any explanation. I believe this ability was CD/Eidos’ work-around for not keeping the possession ability from the SR1 prototype. It’s amazing to see how different it could’ve been though. I can imagine the original Turel pursuing/attacking you with his claws and/or shooting TK blasts at you the entire time you’re trying to complete the smokestack puzzle. That would’ve made him the hardest boss at that point in the game and even more frightening than Dumah. I believe they intended for you to lead Turel to the area below the water for him to shoot out the supporting pillars and cause the upper platform to crack and release the rush of water that would end him.
@@yeetuspogimus2023 Not really. Turel in Defiance was given telekinesis. It's the power Raziel ends up getting from him. Turel is the one possessed in fact, by a group of Hylden. That's why when his eyes glow green he speaks like a group of creatures unrelated to him. He's just their host, and they keep him there and feed for that alone. Mortanius is also possessed by them, hence why he speaks as them at intervals, as he is trying to resist them. Raziel isn't completely possessed by them, but he is manipulated, as he took in along with Turel's soul, and that's why his eyes also glow green when he fights Kain, because the Hylden are manipulating him into doing it, hence why he forgets that Kain told him Janos needed to remain dead and why he was filled with rage and intent in killing him like he never was. On another note, yeah, I wonder about him following Raziel around. Seems the passages in the area are too small for him to follow Raziel, but I do imagine he'd follow and attack him around the boss area. I remember Dumah was really scary to me as a kid, not so much from the horror element but from the sheer tension of having to run from him. I really need to play this completed game badly, even if it's a fanmade version from Lost Worlds.
Zimitry Yeah, upon revisiting the scene, you are correct, it happens to Turel before the battle even starts. Idk why, but the whole Hylden manipulating Raziel when he takes in Turel’s soul just visually is very subtle, so to me, it looks like without trying, Raziel gets Turel and Mortanius to say out loud what’s hidden in their minds, but no; it’s just them resisting Hylden’s control on their minds and Raziel hears it. Dumah used to frighten me as a kid too but from watching my brother play the battle. He knew I couldn’t handle it, so he offered me to let him beat Dumah for me. I agree that now he doesn’t have much of a horror element, but when he chases you, you do have to be careful not to stop too soon because unless you run a long way, he’s right up your ass only a foot or two away. He’s also annoying, run too far and he gives up and you have to backtrack lol.
The fans of this series need to unite and finish this leaked versions and release to the public. There is so many amazing fan projects in other games like Resident Evil, Half Life, Shadow of Colossus, Bloodborne, i don't see how nobody tried to finish one of the beta versions yet, it's a shame.
The ways Raziel kills his brothers are the same you've used against vampires for the entire game: Impalement, fire, sunlight and fire again, only taken up to 11. I feel like rounding it out by using water to kill Turel would have been a nice touch.
hopefully these lost deleted areas are restored in some way for the remasters to finally experience the first soul reaver in it's totality. that game really should have been a 2cd epic.
If all the magic blades, all the forges, all the Glyphes, all the areas, all the bosses were present in this game from the beginning of this project, this would be the best game ever made...A reboot from the beginning is necessary to organize the chronological storyline....
I really wish there would be a remaster of these games. Although, if they remastered Soul Reaver and added all of the deleted material, Soul Reaver 2 would have to be modified slightly as well as Defiance. Does Square Enix just not realize how huge of a fanbase these games have?
conclude the story then make a new game -- that's what is needed they have the licence use it or sell it so another games company can make more its been so long 2003 - :-( = im replaying them @ the moment
@@dsmith4658 I just started playing Soul Reaver 2 last night. My kids love them. After I finish the 2nd one, I'm going on to Defiance and then Blood Omen 2 (which I found out last night I have 2 copies of). I believe that the story should continue with Kain going after the Elder God OR going back in time to create Raziel and the other vampires and then carry that storyline up to the events of the Soul Reaver opening. I told my wife that if we ever won the lottery, I would buy the licensing for the Legacy of Kain series and bring on as many of the original cast and crew as possible to remaster the games and make new ones.
@@dsmith4658 I hunt for copies of all the LOK games whenever I get online or go to game stores. I have quite the collection. If ever a copy craps out, I have at least 7 backups per game.
If Turels lair was there where now Moebius's time chamber is and textures from kains mountain retreat where reused in the time chamber... Was the time chamber planned at all, or did it just repurpose parts originaly made for kains mountain retreat?
As far as we know, the Oracle's Cave was always part of the game. You can see it in the upper right corner of the world map, north of Dumah's fortress on the world map from those early versions of the game. www.thelostworlds.net/SR1/Images/World_Map_Evolution-01-Maps-Soul_Reaver_World_Map-1999-02-16-Material-Annotated.JPG
@@legacyofkainthelostworlds-4916 thank you for the fast answer. I guess some story got changed nonetheless in Progression, as light reaver and Kain Reaver are repurposed versions of elementary Reavers, beginng the question if these Story elements where originaly planned or not. I guess more needs to be rediscovered.... But since the vision with raziel consuming ariel is after the scene with raziel and kain in his mountain retreat and in the scene in the mountain retreat raziel has the base reaver (as far as I remember) maybe the time chamber comes after the mountain retreat? Would make more sense to me, but I don't know what abilities are needed to access Moebius's cave in this Prototypes...
In this version Turel seems to be something, insignifikant, unlike in the Defiance, I think it could be restored as a 1st Lieutenant of Turel, who woke up after metamorphosis with his master, Turel gone (teleported by Hylden) so he took command as "Turel", and Raziel could feel that this big ass Turelim is not his brother
Turel wasn't teleported by hylden but the people in the cathedral itself. And I think the stronger the Vampire the more he could remain his human like appereance despite Evolution. Melchiah transformed into an amalgamation of dead bodys and Zephon turning into a breeding machine. Rahab was more "human" as his upper body structure remained human like. But dumah and Turel, despite beeing bigger and stronger remained unchanched in their body structure. Kain even stayed the same size after raziels awakening, despite beeing the oldest, strongest and most evolved.
@@zonilo1 True, but I refer to what we got now, this alpha SR1 Turel < Defiance Turel, here he looks like just a bit bigger, badder Turelim, not some real monstrosity or "godlike"
Turel was "abducted" by Azimuth via Moebius' Timestreaming device. The reason he's looking so bad is that, just as Janos Audron in BO2, he probably underwent extreme hunger torture + was possessed by hylden, which is already taxing by itself. As for Turel's sergeant taking his place in SR1 - hey, that is a good idea.
Turel will be missing or they will have to re do some story elements in defiance, this is if we get a remake. As long as this game gets a remake and it stays true. I am open to almost everything. I'll always have the originals!
Incompetent fools? Both Squaresoft and Enix went bankrupt and they are not going to be near it again at any cost. Just accept that this type of game can't sell good in modern times. They already tried it with Dead Sun and I'm glad it was cancelled.
@@JillValentine2013 Dead Sun was an abomination and so was the salvaged multiplayer component from the game named Nosgoth that was also thankfully cancelled. They wasted tons of money and over 3 years on both atrocities when they should've respectfully followed the 5 games in the series that fans know and love. Dead Sun and Nosgoth highlighted profanity, sexually vulgar dialogue, and multiplayer, things that do not belong in a such a well worded rich story driven single player franchise. Both are living proof that Square Enix not only doesn't give a damn about this franchise but they don't have the slightest idea on how to treat it properly either. If they were smart (and sadly they're not because they are as I'd previously stated do indeed happen to be in fact incompetent fools), they'd pull 2004's cancelled Eidos project Dark Prophecy out of mothballs and resurrect it. Now that would've been an actual Kain game.
@@Simgor2 the only thing we got to see about Dead Sun was the fricking tutorial and no one was interested on it, that's why it was cancelled: there is no market for LoK titles. Nosgoth was created and went live way before Square Enix purchased Eidos, so you are lying here. This game gained a strong supportive player base, specially on Steam, but it was still small and small player base =/= success. There was no money for server maintenance and that's what ended the game. Are you seriously complaining about profanity, sexualization, and vulgar language? Did we fucking played the same franchise? You can fricking see female's enemies tits in Soul Reaver 1, you can go to Brothels in Blood Omen 1. Seriously, you know nothing about what you are talking.
@@JillValentine2013 Were there F bombs and sexually vulgar dialogue in the 5 released Kain games like in Dead Sun? Were there female vampire hunters with half of their breasts hanging out in plain view in the 5 released Kain games like Dead Sun? No there weren't. Sure a few characters were scantily clad, brothels were present but not shown in graphic detail, and swearing was rare but not F this and F that like it is in Dead Sun. Don't get me wrong, I like swearing as much as the next person but it has no purpose being excessively used in a Kain game. Dialogue there is more thought out, artistic, and defined. Characters sometimes say words you need to look up in the dictionary. Also, it's also listed among the released facts that Square Enix began an attempt to make Dead Sun after the 2009 Eidos/Squaresoft merger and that game itself is Dead Sun. It's also known as well that Nosgoth the "Kain of Duty" multiplayer was made from the multiplayer portion of that cancelled project. That's proof right there that both axed games came from the simpletons at Square Enix. I think you're only right in the fact that we clearly didn't play the same games because it's you not me that doesn't know what they're talking about. All of that info I mentioned can easily be found in multiple well respected and proven online websites dedicated to the Kain series. Just stating the facts here, some of these things have been common knowledge for over a decade.
@@Simgor2 the only error I will accept is about Eidos's merge (2009). Replay the games. You can clearly see sexualized womans in Soul Reaver 2, Blood Omen 2 and Defiance. It's obvious that BO's brothels are not in graphic detail because IT'S FUCKING PLAYSTATION 1. And BO1 was developed with a poor graphic motor, you can clearly see this in the limitations it has. The LoK IP is available for every independent developer through the Square Enix Collective platform since 2017. The only entry they got was an attempt of BO1 remake using mods (I recognize the effort, but you can't just try to sell abandonware with mods wtf), which was obviously not accepted. If people truly cared for this game then there would be more entries already, but there are not. If people truly cared about LoK, then the total of units sold would be over 4 million, but it never happened. LoK games never sold over 1 million copies, only Soul Reaver 1 managed it. Just accept already that there is no market for this franchise.
Is it possible to make a version of this game where all version combined and fixed and the areas from prototypes are available as bonus levels? Is lava deadly in spirit realm as well?
Have your ever imagined the New events If Raziel took Turiel's abilities in soul reaver 1,2 and defiance? Indeed Turiel won't appear in defiance because Raziel has killed him.
Hm... about that high ledge at 8:25, didn't you try to climb at it as it was done in pre-released footage from Playstation Zone vol.6? There Raziel began climbing the lower and smaller ledges first and then jumped to higher ones finally reaching the top. ruclips.net/video/RxdvMhjQmvQ/видео.html - 1:50
A New remake of soul reaver is necessary adding all the bosses and deleted areas and a remake of soul reaver 2 and defiance with New magical abilities and New soul reaver Blade forms. Desconsidering some events of soul reaver 2 and defiance. New sequences indeed.
That's what I thought at first too, but finding the giant beam of sunlight changed my mind. We'll probably never know for sure, unless one of the devs or designers remembers.
@@legacyofkainthelostworlds-4916 Then again it has nothing to do with the sunlight but rather it has more to do with a bug involving those giant brazier lamps in the ceiling of the room.
@@legacyofkainthelostworlds-4916 I think I may have solved the mystery, it's definitely a bug involving the torches and here's footage of the early version of the Stone Glyph area in that exact moment: ruclips.net/video/naUGR1wWUoY/видео.html
awesome video but did you record it late at night and didnt want to Wake your mom or something? feels so creepy to have someone whisper the whole video
I sure hope Amy Henning has gone to another development company and recieves the treatment she is due. She is an absolute badass writer/director/artist.
conclude the story then make a new game -- that's what is needed they have the licence use it or sell it so another games company can make more its been so long 2003 - :-( = im replaying them @ the moment
After this video even with the Elder God speaking of the frozen wastes, when traveling through Dumah's territory, now I see all the particles and ground textures there as volcanic ash. Seeing it in Turel's territory has changed the context for me. This drastically and permanently changes my perception of that area now, and by extension the game a little more. The true devastation, the dying world, earth and water poisoned, the land drained barren, caked in ash in places, the sun a sickly torch desperately trying to penetrate the smog that smothers it all.
Randomly found this.
You have such a cool soothing narration the music is just the right volume
It's a shame this never made it into the final game. The place was close to being finished. Thanks for revealing this.
After all this years... getting closure from the day the Elder God said "Dumah's and Turel's clan territory lays north of the pillars". They have been a blast this concecutive uploads.
You guys at The Lost Worlds are true heroes, preserving and uncovering unseen pieces of true art. You guys are truly modern archaeologists.
All these areas should be implemented, if we ever get a remaster.
I just wait for somebody doing a mod...
If they ever do a remake of the series, I hope they do what the original creators wanted to do, rather than what they were forced to do due to time-constraints, like having Turel be killed in Soul Reaver instead of being shoe-horned into Defiance.
There will be a way for someone to remaster this game and add this on. Fans could do it start a crowed fund. If anyone is a programmer that is. Lol
@@LordProteus How can they do a remake of the series like that when there wouldn't even be a series if the original creators were able to fulfil their initial plans for this game? The whole thing would have ended with Soul Reaver 1. In fact Soul Reaver wouldn't even have been made, instead Blood Omen 2 would have been made by Silicon Knights.
In a way we're lucky things turned out the way they did considering how much better Soul Reaver 2 and Defiance turned out to be than the original plan.
But Turel will be missing or they will have to re do some story elements in defiance. As long as this game gets a remake and it stays true. I am open to almost everything. I'll always have the originals!
Your website nourished my curiousity way before youtube even existed.
It may have been one of first bookmarks ever.
Fuck, I‘m still jealous of your tattoo.
I finally found you again! Glad to see these pics of Turel’s Domain in motion.
It's hard to put into words how watching this made me feel. Ben, I've been a long time follower of your content. I've read it all, listened to it all, and took in every single scrap of content these games had cut from their final releases. But to watch actual video of Turel's cut area, almost 21 years after the game's release.....man, it just stirs up all kinds of emotions.
Thank you so much for sharing this. It made my whole day, and probably my month!
Incredible how this game was ambicious.
Man that is amazing. I can't even grasp how it must have felt for the original team to get even that far in this area and then have to amputate it because of time. I think that's the most heart wrenching part about all of this is that typically when you hear about things cut from a game it usually revolves around things barely out of conceptual art. Most of these ideas made it all the way to alpha builds which is pretty damn deep in development if I understand correctly.
At least we can appreciate it all now here and in Raina's videos you all developed together.
Side note: On the areas where there was no way to jump to, would it have been possible you had to possess another enemy to make something appear from that range? I know a lot of enemies aren't even present so that may be it.
Some of the puzzles probably involve possession, but most of the ones I mention in the videos are places where the player has to progress quite a way past the jump, and that wouldn't have been possible with a possessed enemy. The movement controls for them are very, very basic.
Is it possible to go to the spirit realm? The platforms might if been lower
@@legacyofkainthelostworlds-4916 It is also likely that the wind draft created by the hot magma would allow Raziel to glide upwards in certain sections of this area.
Spectral realm should also be taken into account.
@@xenomorphphantom8991 Great Scott Marty we weren't thinking 4th dimensionally :D
This is so thorough! Amazing work! The mind control would have been such an awesome ability to have in this game, its so cool to see it shown here! Honestly, well done!
I love how Turel was one of the biggest secrets we all tried to figure out in the old days, I remember theorising, searching endlessly as a kid to understand where he and his lair was!
We need a remake... With Amy as director.
Man... that's the dream. But, she is working on some obscure company and crystal dynamics is developing an avengers game.
Got my fingers crossed for it to be crystals next project or bluepoints current project (guys that remade shadow of the collosus).
Wonderful discovery and exploration
Incredible work. Thank you for your in-depth analysis on the cut areas, and here's to hoping that we'll see a "complete" version of Soul Reaver some day!
This is unbelievably brilliant. Kudos to you and everyone who helped uncover this.
Seeing more footage of that ramp seen in so many promos is giving me chills.
The first type of lava is more like cooled volcanic rock,still igneous but bearable for Raziel.
Touching it,most likely would have slowly damage him until it would send him into the spectral realm.
The Magma type most likely would have sent him directly to the Elder God's presence at the botom of the abyss.
I bet the use of the Fire glyph would have allowed Raziel to navigate this area more easily.
I think that Raziel is making water mix with the magma,to create steam and power the turbine....if that's the case the parts where Raziel gets burned may be areas where "animated" magma runs on the corridors.
coolest looking level. It always bugged me that turel was never seen yet his flags and clan are seen everywhere. Hopefully one day they release a remastered version with the graphics cleaned up, and you can pick in the beginning whether you want to play the retail version or the uncut originally intended version. I would gladly pay 400 bucks for it easy.
Damn, I honestly would've preferred this Turel over the one from Defiance. It's also surprising to know that we would've killed Turel pretty early in his territory when compared to the other brethren.
Probably, because there is not so much to be done with his ability for story progression. So it needed more uses, or it felt useless except for Puzzles scatered through the Open world.
@@DundG I wondered how we were originally going to gain the first level of the telekinetic projectile ability, and who we would've got it from since Turel's dialogue and boss fight was pretty much reused for that tomb guardian.
@@michaelburke7978 from the said tomb guardian I guess, since he still exists in the prototypes.
Maybe he is an exceptionaly powerfull Turelim and his soul transfers a lesser form of telikinesis than turel? Turelim are the strongest remaining Vampire clan as Turel got, second to Raziel, the biggest part of Kains gift, so it seems natural that his children have also more of the gift in their Soul. And the guardian seemed exceptionaly rich in it.
I know in the final Game you get some artifact after Killing him, but I guess they used it to Trigger the glyph cutscene because they got no time to create a new one for him.
wow this is crazy many years later still discovering this stuff, wish we could see this game come back in some capacity as long as it was done right.
Imagine a remake of all the saga, and when you complete all the games, you can unlock the original ending of soul reaver 1 with this areas, the ariel encounter and the final showdown with kain!
Outstanding video thanks dude!😎👍👍
I notice that Turel was originally more humanoid than he appeared in Defiance which would have originally meant that those who got the strongest portion of Kain's gift was less likely to devolve into huge bestial monsters like Melchiah, Zephon and Rabab did while Dumah, Turel and ultimately Raziel himself would have remained humanoid but more monstrous in appearance if he wasn't thrown to the abyss.
Kain didn't even grew into a bigger and monstrous form.
@@DundG because he's kain
Raziel would eventually turn into some kind of dragon, if I remember correctly Daniel's comment on DA.
Not Alpharius That would make perfect sense, and also be the shit. Like after surviving through the abyss and overcoming his tormentors, he ascends into a dragon-like form. But then what would he do afterwards?
@@yeetuspogimus2023 no, you misunderstood me. He would've evolved if he wasn't thrown into the abyss.
Keep the great content I'm glad soul reaver / blood omen is not dead
Thank you for uploading this! For all these years I'd been waiting to see what Turel's clan would be looked like.🤩
This are very complex and intresting passages from the game. It also could lead to more storytelling that may have been deleted too. Its so complex that sounds like some kind of nightmare. The creativity they took for this is pretty amazing.
This is awesome! I used to love breaching areas within the old Polygon/3D games in during the PSX era, like the TR series, Fighting Force, Siphon Filter, Metal Gear Solid, and several others, to find hidden locations on maps and such. There was a unique thrill, to venturing beyond a game's intended rendered area, causing you to fall through the map, or walk along surfaces without texturing and such.
This game was one of my all time favorites of that era, and there were many times I would deliberately push through a certain wall-texture, or get snagged between surfaces, and fall through the floor to continue swimming under the map, and try to resurface into a new area. Sometimes doing this would prevent certain enemies from triggering, causing them to be motionless "statues", unanimated and harmless, until you attacked them and they would just suddenly shift becoming a dead body on the ground without any of the in-between animations of them falling down to the ground.
Such great times.
Thanks for sharing this video.
This is amazing. I haven't seen new Soul Reaver content like this in years.
Amazing job!!
I never noticed the smoking furnace in the opening.
Crazy how after watching it so many times, it escaped my notice.
I still remember the first time I played this game and just looking all over the place for Turel. I then thought well maybe Turel was that one vampire that gives you the telekinesis power, but I thought it was such a weak fight. The game just felt so incomplete without the Turel territory. I remember 2 years later or so Soul Reaver 2 came out and still I never saw Turel, and it was till Defiance I finally saw what happened to Turel but it just felt kinda forced into the game, I would have prefered this over Defiance lame Turel anyday.
Adding to the confusion, the vampire who gives you the telekinesis ability was referred to as "Morlock" in game walkthroughs, and "the Morlock boss" was Turel's internal codename.
This series needs a reboot real bad.
Square Enix could remake and add these deledted areas giving a new view about this wonderful game
Let me pass turel..
I had enough blood on my hands today..
Mad respect, I love this
Es muy triste que todo este material no exista en la version final, hubiese hecho la experiencia mas epica y satisfactoria de lo que originalmente digerimos todos los que lo jugamos en su dia.
For me this is 4:43 my favorite area in all Turel's territory. ^_^
Imagine a remake that restores all the cut content, but no developers has the balls to touch this IP, they all are aware of how great this franchise is.
DUDE I thought Raziel was commenting on the cut content, you voice was turned down a bit low at first xD
Finally!
Oh man, if they ever remake this game I want to see this so much.
also, between your Animatrix robotic voice and the music, I feel like I'm in 2003 again.
Also 2, the possessing ability makes so much sense. I remember in Defiance when Raziel comes to the living realm by possessing a monster I was like "...wtf?".
Thanks for your videos.
He doesn't possess a monster. The Elder God deprives him of the ability to materialize in the physical realm, so he's forced to use a corpse to do it. It's not possession, since he's not robbing someone of their autonomy and occupying their body, it's more him using a decomposed body to turn it into his own. The first time he does so he emerges from a grave.
It's exactly what he does when he takes Moebius' dead body at the end.
Of course, a whole different kind of ability, considering he's basically occupying a different corpse each time, but manages to make them all look like his own. He does the exact same in a split second after taking Moebius' body. How he does this was never even explained. But him keeping the possesion ability would've helped give it some basis.
Zimitry I think that when Raziel defeats Turel in Defiance, he gains the ability to possess others by forcing them to utter the thoughts from their corrupted minds out of their mouths. He does this to Turel the moment he gets it, whether consciously or not, and I believe that’s why both him and Mortanius suddenly start speaking out of character without any explanation. I believe this ability was CD/Eidos’ work-around for not keeping the possession ability from the SR1 prototype.
It’s amazing to see how different it could’ve been though. I can imagine the original Turel pursuing/attacking you with his claws and/or shooting TK blasts at you the entire time you’re trying to complete the smokestack puzzle. That would’ve made him the hardest boss at that point in the game and even more frightening than Dumah. I believe they intended for you to lead Turel to the area below the water for him to shoot out the supporting pillars and cause the upper platform to crack and release the rush of water that would end him.
@@yeetuspogimus2023 Not really. Turel in Defiance was given telekinesis. It's the power Raziel ends up getting from him. Turel is the one possessed in fact, by a group of Hylden. That's why when his eyes glow green he speaks like a group of creatures unrelated to him. He's just their host, and they keep him there and feed for that alone. Mortanius is also possessed by them, hence why he speaks as them at intervals, as he is trying to resist them. Raziel isn't completely possessed by them, but he is manipulated, as he took in along with Turel's soul, and that's why his eyes also glow green when he fights Kain, because the Hylden are manipulating him into doing it, hence why he forgets that Kain told him Janos needed to remain dead and why he was filled with rage and intent in killing him like he never was.
On another note, yeah, I wonder about him following Raziel around. Seems the passages in the area are too small for him to follow Raziel, but I do imagine he'd follow and attack him around the boss area. I remember Dumah was really scary to me as a kid, not so much from the horror element but from the sheer tension of having to run from him.
I really need to play this completed game badly, even if it's a fanmade version from Lost Worlds.
Zimitry Yeah, upon revisiting the scene, you are correct, it happens to Turel before the battle even starts. Idk why, but the whole Hylden manipulating Raziel when he takes in Turel’s soul just visually is very subtle, so to me, it looks like without trying, Raziel gets Turel and Mortanius to say out loud what’s hidden in their minds, but no; it’s just them resisting Hylden’s control on their minds and Raziel hears it.
Dumah used to frighten me as a kid too but from watching my brother play the battle. He knew I couldn’t handle it, so he offered me to let him beat Dumah for me. I agree that now he doesn’t have much of a horror element, but when he chases you, you do have to be careful not to stop too soon because unless you run a long way, he’s right up your ass only a foot or two away. He’s also annoying, run too far and he gives up and you have to backtrack lol.
Exelent video!!! Very rare.
The fans of this series need to unite and finish this leaked versions and release to the public.
There is so many amazing fan projects in other games like Resident Evil, Half Life, Shadow of Colossus, Bloodborne, i don't see how nobody tried to finish one of the beta versions yet, it's a shame.
Wooow i never imagine this,
But now is real,this is great very great
The ways Raziel kills his brothers are the same you've used against vampires for the entire game: Impalement, fire, sunlight and fire again, only taken up to 11. I feel like rounding it out by using water to kill Turel would have been a nice touch.
This game was too ambitious for the measly PS1
Turell breed can be found throughout nozgoth they are similar to turrel in the legacy of Kain defiance
Thanks for work it great !
Tbh they could still implement this area without Turel but sub his fight with a strong vampire thus keeping consistency with the sequals
Would also need to give Raziel an ability other than amplified TK since that is what he gets from Turel in Defiance.
The one person who disliked is a vampire hunter
With the bluest eyes?
@@alexreilly6121 I guess the giant Vampire hunter from Defiance
hopefully these lost deleted areas are restored in some way for the remasters to finally experience the first soul reaver in it's totality. that game really should have been a 2cd epic.
It looks like we're going to have this level in the Soul Reaver Remastered of 2024.
If all the magic blades, all the forges, all the Glyphes, all the areas, all the bosses were present in this game from the beginning of this project, this would be the best game ever made...A reboot from the beginning is necessary to organize the chronological storyline....
This is fascinating
If a remake would be done all the sequences of the other post two games would change everything
I really wish there would be a remaster of these games. Although, if they remastered Soul Reaver and added all of the deleted material, Soul Reaver 2 would have to be modified slightly as well as Defiance. Does Square Enix just not realize how huge of a fanbase these games have?
conclude the story then make a new game -- that's what is needed they have the licence use it or sell it so another games company can make more its been so long 2003 - :-( = im replaying them @ the moment
@@dsmith4658 I just started playing Soul Reaver 2 last night. My kids love them. After I finish the 2nd one, I'm going on to Defiance and then Blood Omen 2 (which I found out last night I have 2 copies of). I believe that the story should continue with Kain going after the Elder God OR going back in time to create Raziel and the other vampires and then carry that storyline up to the events of the Soul Reaver opening. I told my wife that if we ever won the lottery, I would buy the licensing for the Legacy of Kain series and bring on as many of the original cast and crew as possible to remaster the games and make new ones.
im about half way thou BO 2 leaving defiance till last
@@dsmith4658 I hunt for copies of all the LOK games whenever I get online or go to game stores. I have quite the collection. If ever a copy craps out, I have at least 7 backups per game.
@@dsmith4658 except BO 2. Only 2 of that one, unfortunately.
If Turels lair was there where now Moebius's time chamber is and textures from kains mountain retreat where reused in the time chamber... Was the time chamber planned at all, or did it just repurpose parts originaly made for kains mountain retreat?
As far as we know, the Oracle's Cave was always part of the game. You can see it in the upper right corner of the world map, north of Dumah's fortress on the world map from those early versions of the game. www.thelostworlds.net/SR1/Images/World_Map_Evolution-01-Maps-Soul_Reaver_World_Map-1999-02-16-Material-Annotated.JPG
@@legacyofkainthelostworlds-4916 thank you for the fast answer. I guess some story got changed nonetheless in Progression, as light reaver and Kain Reaver are repurposed versions of elementary Reavers, beginng the question if these Story elements where originaly planned or not.
I guess more needs to be rediscovered....
But since the vision with raziel consuming ariel is after the scene with raziel and kain in his mountain retreat and in the scene in the mountain retreat raziel has the base reaver (as far as I remember) maybe the time chamber comes after the mountain retreat? Would make more sense to me, but I don't know what abilities are needed to access Moebius's cave in this Prototypes...
icon game forever
omg its amazing, do you have a discord, or do you know about a good LOK discord?
I don't, but hopefully someone else reading this does.
Long live Ben Lincoln
In this version Turel seems to be something, insignifikant, unlike in the Defiance, I think it could be restored as a 1st Lieutenant of Turel, who woke up after metamorphosis with his master, Turel gone (teleported by Hylden) so he took command as "Turel", and Raziel could feel that this big ass Turelim is not his brother
I think that story element was added much later to justify Turel being cut in the original Soul Reaver game.
Turel wasn't teleported by hylden but the people in the cathedral itself.
And I think the stronger the Vampire the more he could remain his human like appereance despite Evolution. Melchiah transformed into an amalgamation of dead bodys and Zephon turning into a breeding machine. Rahab was more "human" as his upper body structure remained human like.
But dumah and Turel, despite beeing bigger and stronger remained unchanched in their body structure. Kain even stayed the same size after raziels awakening, despite beeing the oldest, strongest and most evolved.
@@zonilo1 True, but I refer to what we got now, this alpha SR1 Turel < Defiance Turel, here he looks like just a bit bigger, badder Turelim, not some real monstrosity or "godlike"
Turel was "abducted" by Azimuth via Moebius' Timestreaming device.
The reason he's looking so bad is that, just as Janos Audron in BO2, he probably underwent extreme hunger torture + was possessed by hylden, which is already taxing by itself.
As for Turel's sergeant taking his place in SR1 - hey, that is a good idea.
@@jabroniyumerale6204 I meant that in Defiance he looks badass, as he states it himself
Oh my god this is so cool! Are you gonna make a patch/mod for the game to add in all this deleted content?
Turel will be missing or they will have to re do some story elements in defiance, this is if we get a remake. As long as this game gets a remake and it stays true. I am open to almost everything. I'll always have the originals!
Raziel is immune to sunlight so that’s not what’s hurting him in that one room
I really miss the Kain franchise, a damned shame it's currently in the hands of the incompetent fools running Square Enix.
Incompetent fools?
Both Squaresoft and Enix went bankrupt and they are not going to be near it again at any cost.
Just accept that this type of game can't sell good in modern times. They already tried it with Dead Sun and I'm glad it was cancelled.
@@JillValentine2013 Dead Sun was an abomination and so was the salvaged multiplayer component from the game named Nosgoth that was also thankfully cancelled. They wasted tons of money and over 3 years on both atrocities when they should've respectfully followed the 5 games in the series that fans know and love. Dead Sun and Nosgoth highlighted profanity, sexually vulgar dialogue, and multiplayer, things that do not belong in a such a well worded rich story driven single player franchise. Both are living proof that Square Enix not only doesn't give a damn about this franchise but they don't have the slightest idea on how to treat it properly either. If they were smart (and sadly they're not because they are as I'd previously stated do indeed happen to be in fact incompetent fools), they'd pull 2004's cancelled Eidos project Dark Prophecy out of mothballs and resurrect it. Now that would've been an actual Kain game.
@@Simgor2 the only thing we got to see about Dead Sun was the fricking tutorial and no one was interested on it, that's why it was cancelled: there is no market for LoK titles.
Nosgoth was created and went live way before Square Enix purchased Eidos, so you are lying here. This game gained a strong supportive player base, specially on Steam, but it was still small and small player base =/= success. There was no money for server maintenance and that's what ended the game.
Are you seriously complaining about profanity, sexualization, and vulgar language? Did we fucking played the same franchise? You can fricking see female's enemies tits in Soul Reaver 1, you can go to Brothels in Blood Omen 1. Seriously, you know nothing about what you are talking.
@@JillValentine2013 Were there F bombs and sexually vulgar dialogue in the 5 released Kain games like in Dead Sun? Were there female vampire hunters with half of their breasts hanging out in plain view in the 5 released Kain games like Dead Sun? No there weren't. Sure a few characters were scantily clad, brothels were present but not shown in graphic detail, and swearing was rare but not F this and F that like it is in Dead Sun. Don't get me wrong, I like swearing as much as the next person but it has no purpose being excessively used in a Kain game. Dialogue there is more thought out, artistic, and defined. Characters sometimes say words you need to look up in the dictionary. Also, it's also listed among the released facts that Square Enix began an attempt to make Dead Sun after the 2009 Eidos/Squaresoft merger and that game itself is Dead Sun. It's also known as well that Nosgoth the "Kain of Duty" multiplayer was made from the multiplayer portion of that cancelled project. That's proof right there that both axed games came from the simpletons at Square Enix. I think you're only right in the fact that we clearly didn't play the same games because it's you not me that doesn't know what they're talking about. All of that info I mentioned can easily be found in multiple well respected and proven online websites dedicated to the Kain series. Just stating the facts here, some of these things have been common knowledge for over a decade.
@@Simgor2 the only error I will accept is about Eidos's merge (2009).
Replay the games. You can clearly see sexualized womans in Soul Reaver 2, Blood Omen 2 and Defiance. It's obvious that BO's brothels are not in graphic detail because IT'S FUCKING PLAYSTATION 1. And BO1 was developed with a poor graphic motor, you can clearly see this in the limitations it has.
The LoK IP is available for every independent developer through the Square Enix Collective platform since 2017. The only entry they got was an attempt of BO1 remake using mods (I recognize the effort, but you can't just try to sell abandonware with mods wtf), which was obviously not accepted. If people truly cared for this game then there would be more entries already, but there are not. If people truly cared about LoK, then the total of units sold would be over 4 million, but it never happened. LoK games never sold over 1 million copies, only Soul Reaver 1 managed it.
Just accept already that there is no market for this franchise.
Will this be in my "Soul Reaver" game 🎮 ? My collector's edition
Is it possible to make a version of this game where all version combined and fixed and the areas from prototypes are available as bonus levels?
Is lava deadly in spirit realm as well?
Ive hope we will get this level in the Remaster besides Turel Boss Fight and the Female Priestess
Have your ever imagined the New events If Raziel took Turiel's abilities in soul reaver 1,2 and defiance? Indeed Turiel won't appear in defiance because Raziel has killed him.
Hm... about that high ledge at 8:25, didn't you try to climb at it as it was done in pre-released footage from Playstation Zone vol.6? There Raziel began climbing the lower and smaller ledges first and then jumped to higher ones finally reaching the top.
ruclips.net/video/RxdvMhjQmvQ/видео.html - 1:50
That's worth a try. Thanks.
How does this not have a full remake? Clearly there is enough content to remake the game, and add more content.
Many chronoplast events didn't appearead and weren't explained in the sequences of this game
A New remake of soul reaver is necessary adding all the bosses and deleted areas and a remake of soul reaver 2 and defiance with New magical abilities and New soul reaver Blade forms. Desconsidering some events of soul reaver 2 and defiance. New sequences indeed.
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10:56 I don't think it's sunlight since Raziel is supposed to be immune to it but rather I think it's a bug due to being unpolished and incomplete
That's what I thought at first too, but finding the giant beam of sunlight changed my mind. We'll probably never know for sure, unless one of the devs or designers remembers.
@@legacyofkainthelostworlds-4916 Then again it has nothing to do with the sunlight but rather it has more to do with a bug involving those giant brazier lamps in the ceiling of the room.
@@legacyofkainthelostworlds-4916 I think I may have solved the mystery, it's definitely a bug involving the torches and here's footage of the early version of the Stone Glyph area in that exact moment: ruclips.net/video/naUGR1wWUoY/видео.html
@@zonilo1 Good catch. That could be it, yes.
how do we gcould get this stuff?
Melchiah, zephon, rahab and dumah dislike this video. Thanks for show us unpublished material
how can i download this content???
awesome video but did you record it late at night and didnt want to Wake your mom or something? feels so creepy to have someone whisper the whole video
Guess the 1 dislike is Turel.
Man I miss this game.
How did you restore it ?!
Why does it happen? Why cut the content?
The original design was too ambitious for the amount of time/money/staff available, basically.
WHATS THE BEST WAY TO GET IT WORKING ON PC
I sure hope Amy Henning has gone to another development company and recieves the treatment she is due. She is an absolute badass writer/director/artist.
These videos are really great and interesting , but your voice is too wet sounding I can hear the spit and it triggers my misophonia lol
ASMR
conclude the story then make a new game -- that's what is needed they have the licence use it or sell it so another games company can make more its been so long 2003 - :-( = im replaying them @ the moment
Turn on DLSS 3.5
Cool 2 view
Because they had to save the last brother for Defiance. Otherwise Raziel wouldn't have any bosses to kill already.
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Am i the only one having teouble hearing this person talk, because the sound of his saliva slapping around overpowers his own voice.
Had to stop watching due to the MPR sounding commentary. Whatever good ASMR does for some people, it has a completely opposite effect on me.
Pewdiepie sent me here.
Ah the first time I hear the voice of the Legendary Ben Lincoln!
7:12 Kevin who??