King Harold Is The Shadiest Character In The Entire Shrek Franchise⎮A Dreamworks Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2022
- King Harold. I'm calling you out. You suck mate. Seriously this guy is one of the least redeemable characters in the Shrek universe and it's time to take him down. He is the Grandpa Joe of animation. Time to get rid of him. Fiona deserves better.
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I think there's a chapter of this story that we're not seeing...You see, the story behind Shrek 2 is an allegory for what happens when you get in too deep _with the mob._ Fairy Godmother is a Gangster, who expects to be repaid...And it's plainly obvious she was the _witch_ who cursed Fiona in the first place, so that she could position her son to take over the kingdom, and then rule from the shadows behind him...
Don't you find it suspect that she happened to find _a frog_ who wanted to be human so that he could marry a "princess?" Especially considering that this Frog knew about an unnamed heir that his wife - the Queen - should have known about herself?
No...the truth is, the story of the Frog Prince is...the Frog _actually is a Prince,_ who has been cursed to the form of a Frog. I think the Godmother did _that._ She knew she had to position Harold where he'd be in her debt _forever._ So she secretly cursed him, turning him into a Frog where he was unable to return to _his family_ and inherit _his kingdom._
She then appears as the Fairy Godmother, coming to his rescue and claiming that she can reverse this problem, should he receive True Love's Kiss from a Princess.
She sets up Lillian with the Frog who would be King, and poof, the Spell is broken. But the Godmother always held it over his head to make sure she got her _proper payment._
If Harold is a prince, then what kingdom did his family rule. It can't be far far away as that's Lillians family who are royalty there. So that would mean Harold was king of just far far away but also another kingdom
01:35 stopping you right there.
Fiona's parents are the princess and the frog. Meaning he had to have been a prince that was also cursed as a frog. Even in the second movie he says their first kiss was by the lily pond. Meaning their first kiss turned him back into a prince, she didn't look even a little surprised in shreck 2 when he became a frog again. She knew the whole time.
Honestly I'm just as confused. The Wiki says what he said: he was born a frog and took a potion from the FGM to become human so he could court her, though I don't know the sources of that so I can't even check whether that's true or where it came from. :P
I thought he was a frog, like Shrek is an ogre, that was a prince
@@unripetheberrby6283 not in the original frog prince story. He was a human prince that got turned into a frog then got turned back into a human during the story.
In Shrek 2, either could be true. He could have had a story similar to the original story as the OP suggests, or he could have been a frog that really liked a girl that later became his wife and went to the Fairy Godmother for help. Shrek 3 suggests the latter, but I try to forget that one ever existed.
@dbscupcakes I can agree on that!They’re the Princess and the Frog.Only true loves 1st kiss could break the spell.That’s why he reacted so badly.Harold couldn’t give Fiona that love potion.Lillian didn’t seem too shocked about it.She loved him even more as a frog.He just was scared of Fairy Godmother. Harold knew she could always go back on her part of the dill.The queen never knew; she found out she saved him.
shrek why okay yeah donkey talk fairy tale okay yeah oh yeah prince charimng okay yeah ok king charming okay dragon keep okay fiona okay spell okay donkey talk yeah
Harold didn't state that Shrek was the next heir, his exact words were that "[he] and Fiona" were next in line.
What I want to know is how a little frog even traversed the kingdom to find Fairy Godmother, and how he convinced her to offer him a deal.
Also, I just realized that Harold was born a frog…and his daughter was given a curse that transformed her into an Ogre, which is a creature that eats frogs…No wonder Harold was terrified of her curse and disliked Shrek on sight.
Cmon, you started blaming him for being ashamed of who he used to be and being scared of rejection by admitting to it. That's a flaw, but a kidna sympathetic one. He himself most likely wanted to forget that he ever was a frog.
The kingdom was probably only crowning men as rulers, that's kidna the default. When Lilian's father died, her brother was probably already dead and Arthur missing. So the only heir was Lilian, but her husband was the ruler, or they both ruled equally, with her choosing to be more passive.
What happened to Fiona could be just as well blamed on Lilian. Only his matchmaking with Prince Charming seemed to be known just to him. He most likely agreed to that because he was constantly threatened by Fairy Godmother, who was really calling the shots all this time. So that added to him rejecting Shrek, who was a threat to his safety, by ruining FG's plan. Then he was intimidated and scared of Fairy Godmother so he initially caved in to her demands, but ultimately betrayed her by not giving potion to Fiona and sacrificing himself in the end, where he thought he might die.
So yeah, he wasn't great person, but i don't think he was as bad as you're making him out to be. The biggest villain is still Fairy Godmother and Harold is just a coward.
Yeah I agree with you this guy blows it out of proportion what you said is right
Wait...couldn't Lilian have known about Prince Charming; "Mom's said that when I'm old enough, my handsome Prince Charming will rescue me from my tower and bring me back to my family."
I will never NOT be enraged by the fact that Lillian lost the crown after Harold died. I hope she gets more screen time in Shrek 5!
Also I think people tend to gloss over the fact that Harold FULLY intended to KILL SHREK. 😬
Yeah definitely pretty bad father. Though part of me wonders how much The Fairy Godmother had to do with this. Shrek 2 showed how she's pretty manipulative and quite good at it. It's possible the tower and all that stuff was her idea.
Still shame on Fiona's parents for going along with it
Me too
Just like General Ross from Hulk
it was her idea (atleast the tower part) in the opening of shrek 2 it said so
Well, Farquaad did think that marrying Fiona would make him king, so maybe that is just how fairy tale law works. Marry the Princess and you rule the Kingdom
Edit: The worm bit was hilarious!
I was thinking she did know he was a frog since her flirting and speaking of their first kiss by the Lilly pond. Suppose he could have just been poofed into a man before he met her there by his pond he came from, but I figured she kissed him as a frog like the original story.
I...don't think she knew, judging from her reaction after she saw his true form. Lillian said "Harold?!" in surprise when he climbed out of the armor, and Harold responded he never wanted her to see him like this. There's a theory that Harold also used the Happily Ever After potion to turn himself into a human, and sealed the enchantment with that first kiss.
@@jeidafei1165 But wouldn’t that have transformed her too? To her ideal form?
How is the animation of Shrek still holding up, even 20 years later? The textures on skin, fur, and clothing are so realistic and convincing.
DreamWorks, hat off to you; you truly are the best animation company.
I'm just going to quote Donkey here, as an aside to Shrek, after Harold is revealed to be a frog...
Donkey turns to Shrek, stating what we're probably all thinking. "And *he* gave *you* a hard time..."
Yes, Donkey, you hit the nail on the head. What a hypocrite.
What Donkey say is bad but he's right about it.
Hm, fair and valid opinions and points, interesting.
Second worst father of the year. Gabriel still takes the cake
I would agree with that too
@@cameronleepowerrangersands5519 I don’t think it’s really true and I don’t agree that he’s bad. He’s good. He just doesn’t understand same as Jimmy Neutron’s parents.
i believed that it was the fairy godmother who was the villain the whole time and she blackmailed him and threatened to take away his humanity
harold wasn't really human to begin with. he was a frog who want it to find true love and want it to be human
Donkey:and this guy gave you a hard time Shrek.
I read the title and was like:
Oh yeah it’s all coming together
You do make a valid point however (also correct me if I’m wrong) it was clearly shown he didn’t enjoy any of the things he did to his daughter and when ever it came the the fairy godmother he is shown as an absolute wuss barely putting up a fight against her until the end
Not the Shrek video I was expecting but the Shrek video I needed
About the first point you bring up: I DO think that Lillian knew that he was a frog, the movie just doesn't tell us that because that part doesn't matter storywise.
I honestly don’t think she knew. I think Harold might have been in a similar situation to the little mermaid where he was transformed into a human temporarily and then sealed it with a kiss to make the effects permanent (although he was turned back later).
@@thefabledfish Lillian talks about walking "by the lillies" with Harold though, which seems to hint at water, which is where frogs live.
@@timrob12 I know, but maybe Harold just knew that area and felt most in his element seducing a woman there
Great video you proved some great points but I think for the king part he needed a replacement to be the king because he was dying Someone that can roll with his wife Shrek do it but truck refused so we had track go after Arthur instead
The prince's rarely are taught in their own kingdom for political purposes. But what you said is very true except the kingdom has to be ruled by a king not a queen. Arther was too young to rule so he took over and had him go to school to be a heir.
Has anyone reliised that HOW IS FIONA EATING DRINKING WATER AND USEING THE BATHROOM ARE THEY CONSTIPATING HER ARE THEY STARVING HER!
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Jesus, a contender for Gr*ndpa Joe in terms of absolute DESPICABLENESS
The last point was more of his wife's fault but he still played a part in it
5:01 That theory's been floating around for years now, we might as well consider it canon.
Which theory? At this point he just list things that happened in the movie.
@@iforgotmyusername11 the one where Fairy Godmother was the one who cursed Fiona in the first place. Think about it: She's been shown to be extremely manipulative, using magic to get whatever she wants. In Shrek 2, it is revealed that she wanted to take over Far Far Away by having her son marry Fiona. Well, what better way to do that then with a challenge for the princess? So, she could've used her magic to disguise herself as the same witch who cast that spell on Fiona when she was a little girl.
I believe it.
@@sarahsims6164 I honestly thought that's the thing since I first saw Shrek 2 as a very young kid lol.
Lord farquaad fairy godmother Prince charming rumpelstiltskin (villain film)
Mate, you do realise by the standards you're judging Harold by accusing him of not telling he used to be a frog that you're accusing nearly everyone of taking away their partner's ability to consent, right? I mean I doubt there's hardly been someone who didn't conceal something about themselves from their prospective partner, something that might not have bothered them anyway, even if it's not once being a frog.
In Shrek the Third, King Harold dies in sickness just like Cid Del Norte Marquez from Final Fantasy VI.
A few things.
Its understood at least in 2 where these villains showed up that Fairy Godmother curried favor with nobility. Even if there was a deal what's to stop King Harold from just turning the entire town against her. Yeah she has magic but it basically comes down to line of sight firing up spells. If she were THAT powerful I wouldn't even let her hang around. And who's going to believe her if she blurts out that Harold is a frog. Harold hoping for the best honestly seemed fine. Charming is an idiot. The worst thing he did in regards to the curse was putting her on the other side of the damn planet. I feel like in all that time Harold could have figured out a way to deal with FGM.
How did they make Fiona. I get that its magic so I guess magically everything works like a human such as creating human semen. I was just thinking about this the other day. No wonder Fiona is a gross weirdo. It's not the 12 hour ogre side effects but its the fact that she's part frog
I don't think I'll ever be able to watch these movies as I have before:/
I'm brand new here, but YES agreed. Always loathed this character! You've got a new sub. x
'the dude took away her ability to consent'
YES, thank you. It's concerning to me how infrequently this fact registers with people (even though it's just a movie).
Aww you have a furry baby!? Aka cat🐱👍
You forgot something,
When he enters the poison apple & looking for the ugly step sister. Sitting on a stool a female frog says to him:
"Do I know you"?
In which he replies,
"No, sorry you must have me mistaken for someone else".
.
Yes indeed
It's King Harold who is a father of Princess Fiona and a wife of Queen Lillian from Shrek 2 (2004).
Was*
King Harold is a Great character but is a bad person
Im gonna watch Why Shrek Forever After is an underrated gem instead. This video is for obtuse manics
To be fair everything done in shrek the third was plot device to get Arthur on the throne so.....writers just weren't thinking of character in that movie all that much. The second shrek movie knew Harold was a bad person that's why they had him take a magic blast for Fiona it was his redemption arch. Actually if anything prince charming being forgiven made no sense but then they just made him a villain again anyway so. (I actually find prince Charming more sympathetic nowadays)
Not to mention, Shrek gave Harold a great deal of flack about locking his own kid in a dragon-gaurded castle. Compare that to the parents in "Frozen" where (admittedly) they'd seem a bit too sympathetic at times....
So true
No
It’s not
A little bit
I agree on this one.
I have never considered that.
Well after the first five minutes of bullshit we actually get the proper source for why he is a bad father. Skip to 5:00 on this video just to save time.
Uh...bullsh*t? This video's not only about Harold being a bad father. The narrator said he's bad in general; as a king, as a husband, as a father and as a person. The first five minutes makes perfect sense. The title says "shady character" not "bad father".
@@jeidafei1165 Oh I'm not denying he's a bad person however, the first five minutes was trivial at best. Also I'm having a bit of fun, so don't take it too seriously.
2:20 - what if, what if, what if. Bro, it is a cartoon, chill out.
Theres so much wrong with this....
the fact that I never liked frog-guy now makes sense
Harold didn't state that Shrek was the next heir, his exact words were that "[he] and Fiona" were next in line.