An update..The guy on the Tesla Customer Support line said that either the billing team or himself would call back and that hasn't happened yet, 5 days later. However, following a suggestion in the comments, I've managed to scan the QR code from the video and now have the receipt.
Interesting. It seems the most fireproof way of getting a receipt for non teslas at the moment is to take a video, as you'll have all the time in the world to scan it after. They should probably only make the receipt QR code go away once you've put the cable back in place (provided they have a sensor to acknowledge that).
@@Mandalore313 If you notice on the left of the screen, there seems to be some sensors. I suspect they are monitoring if someone is standing there and if the connector is removed.
… what good luck that you got the QR code from the video! I wonder if you had to do some image processing. As for weather, TESLA employees will do what they say they’ll do, in my experience, the answer is yes - mostly. For example, I had to wait three months for a promised refund check, here in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA.
@@nowsc No image processing. Just full screened the paused video and my phone scanned the QR code easier than it could from the actual Supercharger. One kind viewer also did the same and emailed me the receipt too! As for Tesla getting back to me, they still haven't after 9 days. But it doesn't matter now anyway. But I would agree with you, normally they are pretty good.
Regarding the ioniq 5. Previously eGMP cars could not charge on V3 cabinets at all. Since a software update they can now charge at 50 kw. Hyundai has said they have a software update out that allows them to charge to 100 kw but no one has seen the results of that yet. It has to do with eGMP cars use 800 v architecture and V3 cabinets are 400 v. EGMP cars have to use the rear motor to step up the voltage but currently that’s limited to 50 kw minus losses. This won’t be a problem with V4 cabinets that are 1000 v but again no actual V4 cabinets have been installed. Only V4 dispensers on 400 v V3 cabinets
I drive a Kia EV6. At a v3 I get 42 kw. At a v2 I have seen 96 kw. Not sure why v2 chargers work better than v3. I have talked to Kia about it, they say the problem is on Teslas side. I also asked Tesla, they essentially told me it’s my own problem.
09:58 rare to see disabled bays free outside a car showroom. Almost every car dealership I have been to in the past 3 months (Snows Kia being the exception, they had great parking) had cars they were selling parked in them. One Hyundai dealership had zero customer parking at all and I had to park 5 minutes down the road. fun when you have limited mobility :/ Shopping for EV's has been stressful.
Tesla could put an arrow on the bay and a sign on each charger indicating "your entering in this bay you use this charger -> -> - >" put it in mirror lettering as well as normal lettering as it really jumps out if your reversing (using your mirrors)
@@benjaminhanke79 yes good point, the liklyhood of being able to connect to a front or rear connection point will be greater assuming the correct bay is used as the vehicle is driven in in the correct orientation you still have the problem of wrong bay use although i agree less likely and now you have less bays in the same location as they are wider having the charge stand in the way of the doors.Tesla are over coming this on V4 by longer cables (housed in taller stands) such that they are backwardly compatible, still think theres a case for signs, time will tell.
Or simply put the screen and controls on the large side facing the bay rather than the narrow edge hidden under the cable, you know, like every petrol pump in the world.
Thank you for the video. A marking in the bay to let non Tesla owners know which charger to use would help. The charger seems it would be better rotated 180 degrees so that the cable has better reach to a vehicle with the charge port on drivers side. I guess you could drive in nose first though.
These cables on the v4 are much longer than the older ones. I guess the industry may finally decide on a charge port location standard. (On the vehicle)
@@emmett3067 They are opening up the chargers to various cars not just Tesla. So they can grow the revenue and kill of the competition. Here in the UK there are tesla stalls open to other cars and they are full, with nearby competitor stalls empty. Usually, tesla prices are cheaper per kwh as well
Hi, thank you for taking the trouble to film this. Really helpful. I'm planning an EV purchase for my 75th. No doubt Tesla will tune the quick scan code timeout. I think some signage about where to out the cars would probably help - I was wondering about that as I watched. Cheers.
It’s great to see these going up, as a CUPRA Born owner.. I can now drive straight into the space and the cable will reach no problems without me having to take up two spots!
I think it would have been free if you used the app. The problem with paying with a credit card is all the intermediaries and the specific "circuits" the data travel on. They are also a good part of the issues people have with the normal/non-Tesla charging points (hw problems with the readers, hw working but card not recognized due to the payment systems backends, variable timeouts by all the actors in between, etc.).
I'm in Germany and had just signed in to the Tesla app the day before. I didn't get the News of the ten year Anniversary so I was suspicious when I saw 0,00€ in the app and missed my chance.
**new subscriber alert** I drive EV but not tesla....(yet)!!!! Great to see/hear about V4 and have a charger to each bay now so should eliminate dead bays.....EXCEPT this video proved it DOESN'T,... these 2 Hyundais use 3 bays. great video all the same and massive kudos to TESLA for doing the job that all local councils still fail to do and should have a done long time ago by making rapid charging available to all on a scale that might actually work, so people can buy ev's instead of the go buy one and we will catch up later approach
If your charge port is in a different place you can mostly mitigate the issue of attaching the cable by parking face IN instead of face OUT. It's not complicated.
On a V2 or V3 Supercharger, the cable isn't long enough to reach if your charge port is on the opposite front side, or rear, regardless of which way around you park. This is resolved with the V4 Supercharger.
@@GoGreenAutos That literally makes no sense. The Tesla port is rear left. If an EV port is on the opposite front side (front right) then facing in puts it in the same place as a rear left port on a car facing out.
@@trevorberridge6079 I mean opposite to the charger. So if the port is on the front left, the V2/V3 Supercharger cables are too short if the car is reversed in or parked front in. Same goes if the port is on the rear right. This is why many non-Tesla vehicles end up using the Supercharger on the other side of the bay, which results in that driver hogging two bays.
@@trevorberridge6079 the old cable was insanely short. it would barely reach the back of a vehicle when you back up to it. let alone if you drive in forwards.
@@Dreadpirateflappy About a third of electric cars have a rear-left, front-right or centre port. Some even have a port on both sides. A lot of EVs can drive front in. But, yes, most can't with the shorter leads.
I like the new V4 chargers! They look like giant PS5s 😆. Shame it wasn't free for you. Thanks for showing us. I wish all V2 superchargers would be upgraded to V4 or even V3! Especially the popular sites like Gordano it would almost halve the charging time (when full) with the same number of chargers.
I think the issue with Ionic 5 and EV6 is that the ultra fast charging is done at 800v whereas the Tesla chargers are 400v so the 2 cars can’t ramp up. Still awaiting my EV6, so will no better soon
The bin was full though, so some of that could have blown out of the bin. But then if the bin was within a private site, as it was in this case, they should be emptying it frequently enough so to not overflow.
Hi Matt great video as usual from your channel I have copied it in to our forum MGEVs as we are having issues with some of our MG vehicles not being able to use Tesla and I hope these new V4 units might sort it out them being contactless Many thanks keep up the great work Don’t know if this is possible for you to do but I Paused your video at 13:58 into it and took a picture of your QR code could you not use this I don’t know how to upload the picture of the screen shot but you can do it yourself I’m sure many thanks again Les
Great video, owning the original Ioniq with faster charging but smaller battery glad to know they work on the Ioniq. The Ioniq 5 won't charge more than 42kW due to his 800v architecture, he needs to use non-Tesla chargers to get top speed they can't deal with the 800V architecture yet so all cars with it will max at 40-50kW.
As someone who's done both for many years, I'd say filling in EV is much easier than filling an ICE vehicle, if you ignore time. But then most of the time, the filling only takes me 5 seconds as you don't need to wait for it.
Parking fines whilst charging here 😢Broken barriers or no tickets issued at entry “don’t bother” means sneaky parking fines at Hilton which is NOT really at terminal 5
Impressive. I just looked at the app and see that the 50p/kWh is the normal cost but between 16:00 and 20:00 it's 58p. While at Wokingham, just off the M4, is currently 39p/kWh but that becomes 61p at 10:00 until 19:00 when it drops to 50p! I had no idea that the dynamic pricing was so variable! Certainly worth looking out for the lower rates when possible. (I can't tell if the pricing changes on a daily rate - or if it's fixed at each supercharger. 🤔)
@@FFVoyager You pay for the installation and the power electronics as well as the energy. Tesla mass produces most of this themselves, so it costs them less than anybody else to put up some chargers, the supply chain for repairs is simpler, and the software integration is better. Annoyingly good if you are a competitor.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 I guess that is likely. But it has to encourage competition. There aren't any Superchargers on my regular routes - but I'll be checking them out and using them instead of Instavolt/Gridserve/Ospray when I can.
I guess the QR code disappearing isn't much different to when you pay for parking and miss pressing the receipt button before it disappears from the machine. I guess the difference is that you can usually press the receipt button before the end of the process, so maybe Tesla should display the QR code as soon as your payment is authorised.
That the Ioniq 5/6, Kia EV6/9 charge so slow is a software bug on the cars side. They charge quickly on SuC V2, but not on V3s and this one is basically a V3 just with the new stalls. The Superchargers can only output 500V, but those cars need 750V for charging, so they internally need to increase the voltage. Somehow they think that the charger only outputs 100A exactly and then they simply don't ask for more. Hyundai and Kia don't seem to want to fix this.
Definitely not. If you plug in a CCS log device in the middle you can see that the car is only asking for 100A. But actually some EV6 and Ioniq 5 cars are just charging fine with full 150kW there. It seems to only affect most cars, but not all of them which is strange.@@tomm5936
weird placement. the one I've seen previously has the stalls placed in the middle. Making it easier for right chargeport cars to charge also. but yeah, I guess the other cars just have to park nose in. not as a big issue as I thought
Very interesting thanks. It may be my memory failing me but I think the pictures I've seen of V4 installations in the EU show the stalls in the centre behind the parking bay with the white side flat on to the back of the car (much like a traditional non-Tesla charger) so that would allow the cable to reach both sides and eliminate the temptation to use the wrong bay as per the Ioniq5. Hopefully Tesla UK haven't got this wrong but it's just as likely it's my memory letting me down. Also my Tesla app doesn't seem to pick up this site within the locations section but that might be my lack of understanding of where Tottenham is.
Tesla don't seem to have a standard as to where they place the stalls (within the UK). Different sites have different arrangments. These chargers are now on the Tesla FindUs map and I assume in the app too. Tottenham is NNE London.
Nice. Btw, can you check the framerate of your cameras as the one in the car is set to a different rate to the video stream which causes choppiness especially when going around corners.
I've tried, but can't work it out. I have to use my DSLR camera in auto mode because I don't know how to use the manual modes. Its either auto or the chance I cock it all up and get no footage.
This is now the closest supercharger to me so good to know how to find it. Thanks. How's the experience with a Tesla? I take it the payment screen will not be needed and yo just plug on as usual? Good to see it's not too busy yet either. Saves me going through the soon to be tolled Blackwall Tunnel to get to North Greenwich.
It was on 29th August. As it was in "celebration" of the 10th anniversary of the EU Supercharging network, then no, destination chargers wouldn't be included. Destination chargers are privately owned by the premises/land owner.
Thanks, lets hope my Kia EV6 can charge, it does not work on the V3 chargers. Longer cables excellent, not sure Tesla owners are too happy sharing the network.
This location has v4 dispensers but the rest is still a v3 site. You will still only get the 42kw. I drive an EV6 in Denmark and I have found that I get better charging at v2 sites. I saw 96 kw the other day. In the app they are labeled 150kw sites.
No they're not. This shows you how to find the ones which are open to all EVs - ruclips.net/video/-fq4R-PSHOU/видео.html But its changing all the time. I read somewhere recently that now 74% of the EU network is open. These new V4 chargers are currently being installed at all new installations in the UK and some coming online in a matter of days.
Yes, also nice that they are not just restricted to blue badge holders. I'm 75, use a stick because I'm a bit hobbly but nothing like bad enough to even try to get a UK disabled parking badge - which for those who don't know are getting very difficult to obtain and can take quite a long time to get issued. I'm planning buying a Model Y for my 75th as these days I need a car that is easier to get in and out of and the extra clearance by the doors is really helpful. Thanks Tesla!
The older Tesla chargers were not pretty useless for most other EVs. Some have the port in the same place. If not they usually could be charged when the stalls werent all occupied.
For vehicles like the Ionic and others that charge from the right side, why not just head in? Seems like the new longer cables would reach. Am I right?
Maybe there was another route into the trading estate from straight over the roundabout, but its currently being redeveloped and currently blocked off. But yes, it felt like I was going into the Tesla carpark to get to the Tesla site. Since looking back at the video, I wasn't. But it felt like that when it was my first time and didn't know where I was going.
@@GoGreenAutos From my experience, that is the route from the old Ikea to the North Circular and the new Tesla centre... right though the middle of Tesco.
The free charging was certainly available when charger was activated via the app so it's possible the contactless terminal just didn't have it enabled. 800v cars are famous for having speed issues on superchargers.
You could say superchargers have not enabled charging at high voltages because current Tesla models don't use that. They can be upgraded to 1000 V, but the first Tesla to use that is the Cybertruck, and you don't see many of those around Tottenham. Which means if you have a Porsche or a fast Hyundai in Europe, you charge somewhere like Ionity on a road trip. Superchargers will work but be slow.
It seems just the contactless payment transactions weren't free that day. Not surprising really seeing these had only just gone live and are the first ones in the world.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 You could say that the Tesla charger design was ratified in 2012 and everyone knew the spec. If others had thought they may end up using the Tesla system it may have been an idea to make the cars which they were designing from.... 2015 onwards? compatible with that existing network? Especially as the offer to use the network was there from Tesla? . On the other hand, Tesla could have developed a time machine and checked what cars which hadn't been designed yet were going to require a decade later? (/s)
@@rogerstarkey5390 We can say many things. Tech evolves. Back then a 1000 V Cybertruck would have seemed... Marginally more sci-fi than a 400 V Cybertruck. Companies have their reasons to go to higher voltages (charging at more than 300 kW while handling the cable by one person) and Tesla have their reasons to wait until this year. (The Cybertruck is the first product that has practical use for it. The Semi is on a different level.) It is just one of the messy parts of the weird world of fast charging. Which makes me wonder if the Cybertruck will charge slowly because of low voltage Superchargers in the beginning.
You are spoiled down south! In the Midlands we still have 3 or 4 GeniePoint chargers, faulted for several years now & they have the cheek to raise the retainer charges from £8 to £30! I’d be stuffed locally if I couldn’t charge at home. Love my EV but things like this are not good for EV adoption where I live.
Great video as always. Whilst I thought about an EV in 2018 I didn't buy one, but I will probably buy an EV in 2025 when my current car loan runs out. I had never thought about receipts for charing EVs. Currently my employer pays for my business miles, I log my work miles and provide them with receipts from when I fill up with petrol. How would this work if I had an EV and charged almost exclusively from home?
@@darrenjosephgregory Yes. But some also have a software tool that handles this if you want to charge for your electricity. I think Wallbox offer this and you paid a subscription to use it. Others will do the same too.
I used these last night and it said £20 connection fee I charged for 10 minutes and it said £5.50 after I finished check my bank next day and it charged me the £20 I’m confused
I assume you used a debit card rather than a credit card? That would be the pre-authorisation, which will get refunded shortly when your £5.50 is deducted. If you use a credit card, you don't see any of this.
I needed to pay Idle fee becouse the EV I drove that day have charging speed below 40 kW. That is all the same for all none Tesla. Even I was alone on the Supercharger location.
It amazes just many none Tesla EV drivers are so clueless. They just plug in without giving it a thought as to which stall to use. The E-GMP EVs (and Lucid along many other 800 volts architecture) have a voltage converter issue with current Tesla chargers. And yes, the V4 you are showing are simply the dispensers (the chargers are those large white cabinets in the background somewhere), athe actual chargers are still the old 400 volts ones for now.
I think its perfectly acceptable that an Ioniq 5 (or other 800V car) driver wouldn't know why a Tesla Supercharging isn't going to give him a decent charging speed, when all the other rapid chargers he's used previously has. I didn't know either, but then I've never had an 800V vehicle either.
@@GoGreenAutos I would agree if we were still in the 20th century without smart phones. But in the 2020's with all the world's information in the palm of your hand and at a moments notice, not so much so. You, on the other hand, have never had an 800V EV, so you would not have had an interest to look it up.
No they're not. This shows you how to find the ones which are open to all EVs - ruclips.net/video/-fq4R-PSHOU/видео.html But its changing all the time. I read somewhere recently that now 74% of the EU network is open. As for my charging session in the video, it was only free if I was using the app.
Great video keep doing these. What is wrong with the Ioniq 5s battery management system? For example my i3s can only charge at 50kW if I use a 50kW rapid it may charge between 46-48 However if I use a 360kW Ionity it will flat line at 50kW right up to 90%. The ioniq 5s I’ve seen often charge at 30-45 kW if the battery is too hot or too cold. This needs fixing.
Fast charging with the battery far from ideal temperature will cause degradation, so good temperature control is very important. An extreme example is of course Nissan Leaf in hot climates. Speculations: A low rated charger may have limitations on the cables used. They may be limited to a certain number of amperes, but if you were at a higher battery voltage, you would get 50 kW. That could result in a charge rate slightly below 50 kW but creeping up as you charge until you hit other limits. At a 350 kW max charger you will not be near any such limits, and your car will be the limiting factor.
The reason that the new V4 chargers have cars readers is to qualify for the new US Grant of $Bns for their installation in the USA as the requirement is they must have card reading ability, as in the EU their ruling is similar but not to qualify for grants, just new laws, stating new units must have card readers and given an amount of time to add them to older units. Some older V2 and V3 units now getting a stand alone card reader in order to meet this requirement. We in the UK and EU are being used to trial these V4’s because we are way ahead of the US on opening up Superchargers and also many more EV variants. This is why we’ve got the new units, albeit very few!
Its been so long since I've driven it, I've forgotten! Its still in the bodyshop. But I think the charging peaks at 120kW, but soon drops down below 100kW.
Speaking of hogging charging bays, here's my experience (it's quite a long story, but you'll see my point at the end). I was at a Pod Point rapid charger yesterday in a Lidl supermarket. This location only has 1 rapid charger that can do either CHAdeMO or CCS and 3-phase AC at the same time. It cannot do dual DC charging. I arrived to find a 2nd gen. Nissan Leaf already using the CHAdeMO so I planned to use the 22kW AC as I have a Zoe which can charge at that speed. However, I have visited this charger on a few occasions and apart from maybe once or twice when it was new, it point blank refuses to initiate and start a charge on my Zoe. I've never have any issues elsewhere with single or 3-phase AC charging. Nevertheless, I connected and hoped it would work this time. It didn't. With no other option I disconnected and waited for DC power to become available (there were no other EVs waiting or nearby). Out of curiosity I checked the screen for CHAdeMO and noticed the Leaf was at 97% drawing just 3kW. The timer showed he had been connected for almost 1.5 hours and did not seem the least bit bothered that it's pointless staying on a rapid charger when the state of charge is over 85-90%. If he really wanted to leave with 100% he could have disconnected and reconnected to AC which would have had the same 3kW speed. As I sat there for a more few minutes waiting to use the CCS, I noticed the driver leave his vehicle to go in to the supermarket (with his Leaf now at 98%). After another 15 or so minutes he returned and finally disconnected. It just goes to show a lack of awareness over charging speeds at high states of charge. I did send a complaint to Pod Point about the 3-phase AC not working on my Zoe, and also suggested their rapid charger needs updating to allow dual DC charging, a second rapid charger or perhaps some 7kW AC destination charge posts. As demand for EVs is only going to increase, I think we are going to see this sort of situation getting ever more common. TL;DR: EV drivers need educating to not hog rapid charging bays when at very high states of charge.
Yes it does annoy me that many drivers don't understand charging and seem to also think they must charge 100% whether they need it or not. Tesla Superchargers have it right by charging a fee if you don't disconnect within a few minutes of your notification. If all networks did something similar, it would help everyone and free up capacity.
I have had a discussion with someone once telling me I should disconnect at 80% or so. Yet, as I told that person, no one else but me knows how much I need to charge for the journey I am doing. Turns out, at that time I had planned my trip so that a full charge was required at that particular stop (full being 94% on my Ioniq 28kWh). So while I agree that some people may be pointlessly charging at full for no real reason, sometimes people do need to charge to full. I personally tend to leave a note on my windscreen to let people know. But now, better than that: I tend to charge fully on AC destination 7-22kW charge points (which should be ubiquitous in my opinion) and I purposely only rapid charge at places and services that have at least 5-6 chargers (meaning at least 10-12 CCS connectors). Haven’t come across with any queue on those just yet. 😊
@@Nikoo033 If I may be so bold... The idea is to charge to a max of around 80%, then drive. If that is insufficient for that journey then you stop again. I am quite sure that you may have had good reasons to want to avoid stopping again on this occasion, but this channel has an educational element to it and we should all be prepared to stop multiple times on very long journeys to reduce our overall travel time and to stop hogging chargers while we trickle that last precious few kWh in. It is this mentaility that is preventing us from getting the most from the charging network. I do hope this doesn't come across as critical of you, just wanted to make the observation for other readers.
@@Ben-gm9lo disagree. If my journey planner, which is set up to optimise journey time, tells me to rapid charge up to 94% at some point, then I know it is already the best option and then that’s what I do. But with the Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh, it’s not really an issue since charging from 15% to 94% takes 20-25 min. Again, no one can know better than the person charging why they need to charge until a particular SoC is reached.
I have seen Porsche taycans in tesla bays not even plugged in - just using the space as parking. I think there are no enforcement powers as is the case with people who unnecessarily occupy disabled spots.
Seems this is how Tesla will roll out SC to all, it will be on the new V4 chargers because the older ones wont be lawful due to no credit card payments or display showing cost.
The older ones will probably be lawful since they were planned before the law changed. (That is how it works in Norway, and probably will work in the EU.) They can add a separate display to show information about the whole site of older chargers if the law is written that way. (Taiwan has done it this way, I think.)
24 Tesla Supercharging sites in the UK are already open to all and about 75% of the EU sites. These are all the previous generations Superchargers via the app only. Tesla have been quietly opening up their network and offering the cheapest pricing without any fanfare! But yes, these new V4 meets all the new guidelines and will start popping up. They are currently installing some at Reading too, which I'll record over the next couple of weeks.
This should be the standart, to just pay via Credit card with no shitty apps and proprietary RFID cards/chips that is the only thing I hate about charging
If only all charging networks would retrofit their chargers with contactless payment machines! They can't use compatibility as an excuse, all of my local air pumps have been retrofitted with contactless payment!
If they can maintain their 50-60p/kWh rate and open more chargers to non-Tesla owners, Tesla have the potential to drastically make an impact on the currently-normalised 75-79p/kWh tariff that any random new operator thinks their chargers are worth paying for 😅
Yes, Tesla have always been around 20p cheaper than other larger UK networks. If Tesla keep growing the network, they will force a change or put them out of business. I suspect many of the other networks will merge with each other over time. There''s just too many of them and they're all struggling to make a profit.
@@GoGreenAutos one provider that I would like to come over to the UK is the french company Electra. I haven’t tried them, but the charging experience they provide seems great. You can apparently book the chargers in advance according to your arrival time 😍
Finally they start to understand how it should be done! Even though regulations of course certainly have pushed this forward... Now let's see when we see them in Sweden. And let's see when they stop working... Tesla does not have a reputation of stuff handling cold, wet and freezing. I bet the screen will have trouble either by cold and/or by leaking water in it after a while. But we shall see if they have learned their lesson.
Agree. This is going to cause chaos for Tesla owners who bought into the Tesla Supercharger network. Non-Teslas should be limited by minimum speed requirements and a maximum stay.
Future problem I see is that Tesla super chargers will be choked up with non Tesla vehicles charging at well under the potential output. The car featured here on the owners admission can only charge at 1/7th of the available output and took 43 minutes to load 23kw of charge this is an abysmal charge rate in that time and will cripple the Tesla charging network. A Tesla model Y would of loaded that 23kw of power in around 4 minutes, thats 10 times faster!! Total madness they will live to regret.
42kw is the maximum any tesla supercharger seems to charge the Ioniq's, even the 5 or 6. Obviously they have nobbled them in some fallacious attempt to prove their tesla's charge faster...
Tesla are the cheapest DC network. Prices are cheaper than this at other sites and the price varies depending on the time of day. Its even cheaper for Tesla owners. But then as a non-Tesla owner, you can get it at their price if you subscribe at £10.99 per month.
@@GoGreenAutos I'm waiting for Tesla to initialise their Utility registration. (They applied to become a UK energy utility company) . Imagine if they installed Megapacks at charge locations, traded the energy they collect and partially subsidised the charging? . I'm also hoping they challenge the UK Marginal pricing arrangement and break the link between cheap green energy and the Natural Gas price which holds ALL of our energy at the high price, even if over 60% is green at a given moment.
@@GoGreenAutos Thanks. I’m not sure how I feel about that. On one hand as Tesla driver, I’m against it, on the other, the more money Tesla make from chargers (hopefully) means that they’ll deploy more chargers, which can only be good for all EV drivers.
@@PrivateHireGuy But at least its dynamic, so Tesla can change it on the fly, as they do with pricing. So if a site is particularly busy with non-Teslas charging and Tesla vehicles are on route, they can restrict the number of stalls that are unlocked. I don't think they do this yet, but as more open up, its one tool they can use if needed. We just need more Tesla Supercharging sites. They just do charging better than anyone. More reliable, cheapest and largest number of stalls. However, CCS2 only, so no good for Chademo or AC charging EVs.
Imagine if Shell offered free petrol on an anniversary you wouldn't be able to get within a mile of the petrol station. This is because petrol is expensive. For an EV that charges at home on an off peak rate the amount of money you are saving is not much at all, just not worth making the trip to the service center (unless you are making a RUclips video).
Well, yes. I only went there to make a video. That morning, I heard about these new chargers. I wasn't going to bother going as I try to keep away from London. But then read that the Supercharging network was free, so changed my plans and drove in. I'm glad I did as this is proving to be a popular video (for my little channel).
It's almost the same in Germany. Ionity takes 0,79€/kWh. That's about three times what you pay for your home electricity. The lowest price at Tesla I've seen so far was 0,45€. I wish I had known that one year ago when I got my car.
Would really p me off as a Tesla driver to turn up at these new chargers and still see non teslas parked blocking 2 bays. How stupid do you need to be to not figure out how to park correctly 🤔😤 It’s bad enough when I arrive at the other Tesla sites and can’t charge because of being blocked by a non Tesla blocking 2 bays, but to have it happen at the new ones is ridiculous
You shouldn't call these people stupid. Tesla just doesn't make it easy for them. They could put the charger in the middle of the bay like Ionity does.
I have only once been blocked by a car at a Tesla charger, and it was a Tesla Model Y doing the blocking by taking up 3 stalls with his camper trailer.
The only new Tesla I would buy is a Cybertruck. But as that's likely to never come to the UK market, I'll have to stick with my 2014 Tesla Model S....but that is still in the bodyshop (see ruclips.net/video/GY4jxN8hUfs/видео.htmlsi=B-mkja3mhZnVyL-A)
Scrunching notes and dropping coins into a charger of any kind is both impractical and unnecessary. Anybody with an EV who does not have a contactless card is charging at home only.
Apparently other non-Teslas got free charging too, but when using the app. It seems just the contactless payment transactions weren't free. Not surprising really seeing these had only just gone live and are the first ones in the world.
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An update..The guy on the Tesla Customer Support line said that either the billing team or himself would call back and that hasn't happened yet, 5 days later. However, following a suggestion in the comments, I've managed to scan the QR code from the video and now have the receipt.
Interesting. It seems the most fireproof way of getting a receipt for non teslas at the moment is to take a video, as you'll have all the time in the world to scan it after. They should probably only make the receipt QR code go away once you've put the cable back in place (provided they have a sensor to acknowledge that).
@@Mandalore313 If you notice on the left of the screen, there seems to be some sensors. I suspect they are monitoring if someone is standing there and if the connector is removed.
… what good luck that you got the QR code from the video! I wonder if you had to do some image processing. As for weather, TESLA employees will do what they say they’ll do, in my experience, the answer is yes - mostly. For example, I had to wait three months for a promised refund check, here in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA.
@@nowsc No image processing. Just full screened the paused video and my phone scanned the QR code easier than it could from the actual Supercharger. One kind viewer also did the same and emailed me the receipt too!
As for Tesla getting back to me, they still haven't after 9 days. But it doesn't matter now anyway. But I would agree with you, normally they are pretty good.
@@GoGreenAutosWHy Tesla.. Why do you do this to your customers. Over and over again!
Most expensive charging session ever as you walk out having accidentally bought a Model Y.
😂👏🏻
In that case it’s your best charging session ever 😅
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Regarding the ioniq 5. Previously eGMP cars could not charge on V3 cabinets at all. Since a software update they can now charge at 50 kw. Hyundai has said they have a software update out that allows them to charge to 100 kw but no one has seen the results of that yet. It has to do with eGMP cars use 800 v architecture and V3 cabinets are 400 v. EGMP cars have to use the rear motor to step up the voltage but currently that’s limited to 50 kw minus losses. This won’t be a problem with V4 cabinets that are 1000 v but again no actual V4 cabinets have been installed. Only V4 dispensers on 400 v V3 cabinets
Thanks for the info
I drive a Kia EV6. At a v3 I get 42 kw. At a v2 I have seen 96 kw. Not sure why v2 chargers work better than v3. I have talked to Kia about it, they say the problem is on Teslas side. I also asked Tesla, they essentially told me it’s my own problem.
@@tomm5936 comments here from others gives you your answer
In order to get free charging on that day, you were required to do so via the Tesla app.
09:58 rare to see disabled bays free outside a car showroom. Almost every car dealership I have been to in the past 3 months (Snows Kia being the exception, they had great parking) had cars they were selling parked in them.
One Hyundai dealership had zero customer parking at all and I had to park 5 minutes down the road. fun when you have limited mobility :/
Shopping for EV's has been stressful.
Tesla could put an arrow on the bay and a sign on each charger indicating "your entering in this bay you use this charger -> -> - >" put it in mirror lettering as well as normal lettering as it really jumps out if your reversing (using your mirrors)
They could just put the charger in the middle of the bay like every other provider does.
@@benjaminhanke79
Or, if your port is on the right hand side of the car (front or rear), pull in forwards.
If it's on the left of the car, reverse in.
@@benjaminhanke79 yes good point, the liklyhood of being able to connect to a front or rear connection point will be greater assuming the correct bay is used as the vehicle is driven in in the correct orientation you still have the problem of wrong bay use although i agree less likely and now you have less bays in the same location as they are wider having the charge stand in the way of the doors.Tesla are over coming this on V4 by longer cables (housed in taller stands) such that they are backwardly compatible, still think theres a case for signs, time will tell.
Or simply put the screen and controls on the large side facing the bay rather than the narrow edge hidden under the cable, you know, like every petrol pump in the world.
Thank you for the video. A marking in the bay to let non Tesla owners know which charger to use would help. The charger seems it would be better rotated 180 degrees so that the cable has better reach to a vehicle with the charge port on drivers side. I guess you could drive in nose first though.
These cables on the v4 are much longer than the older ones. I guess the industry may finally decide on a charge port location standard. (On the vehicle)
Why is Tesla going to change the location of their cable to suit owners of brands who havent invested in Tesla vehicles?
@@emmett3067 They are opening up the chargers to various cars not just Tesla. So they can grow the revenue and kill of the competition. Here in the UK there are tesla stalls open to other cars and they are full, with nearby competitor stalls empty. Usually, tesla prices are cheaper per kwh as well
Hi, thank you for taking the trouble to film this. Really helpful. I'm planning an EV purchase for my 75th. No doubt Tesla will tune the quick scan code timeout. I think some signage about where to out the cars would probably help - I was wondering about that as I watched. Cheers.
Glad it helped
You wont need it if you buy a Tesla as it just knows who you are !
The dispensers are 350 kw but for the moment they are being deployed on 250 kw V3 cabinets. They have not deployed any V4 cabinets anywhere yet.
Ok, thanks
It’s great to see these going up, as a CUPRA Born owner.. I can now drive straight into the space and the cable will reach no problems without me having to take up two spots!
I think it would have been free if you used the app. The problem with paying with a credit card is all the intermediaries and the specific "circuits" the data travel on. They are also a good part of the issues people have with the normal/non-Tesla charging points (hw problems with the readers, hw working but card not recognized due to the payment systems backends, variable timeouts by all the actors in between, etc.).
Yes, others that used the app the same day got free charging.
I'm in Germany and had just signed in to the Tesla app the day before. I didn't get the News of the ten year Anniversary so I was suspicious when I saw 0,00€ in the app and missed my chance.
**new subscriber alert** I drive EV but not tesla....(yet)!!!! Great to see/hear about V4 and have a charger to each bay now so should eliminate dead bays.....EXCEPT this video proved it DOESN'T,... these 2 Hyundais use 3 bays. great video all the same and massive kudos to TESLA for doing the job that all local councils still fail to do and should have a done long time ago by making rapid charging available to all on a scale that might actually work, so people can buy ev's instead of the go buy one and we will catch up later approach
If your charge port is in a different place you can mostly mitigate the issue of attaching the cable by parking face IN instead of face OUT. It's not complicated.
On a V2 or V3 Supercharger, the cable isn't long enough to reach if your charge port is on the opposite front side, or rear, regardless of which way around you park. This is resolved with the V4 Supercharger.
@@GoGreenAutos That literally makes no sense. The Tesla port is rear left. If an EV port is on the opposite front side (front right) then facing in puts it in the same place as a rear left port on a car facing out.
@@trevorberridge6079 I mean opposite to the charger. So if the port is on the front left, the V2/V3 Supercharger cables are too short if the car is reversed in or parked front in. Same goes if the port is on the rear right. This is why many non-Tesla vehicles end up using the Supercharger on the other side of the bay, which results in that driver hogging two bays.
@@trevorberridge6079 the old cable was insanely short. it would barely reach the back of a vehicle when you back up to it. let alone if you drive in forwards.
@@Dreadpirateflappy About a third of electric cars have a rear-left, front-right or centre port. Some even have a port on both sides. A lot of EVs can drive front in. But, yes, most can't with the shorter leads.
I like the new V4 chargers! They look like giant PS5s 😆. Shame it wasn't free for you. Thanks for showing us. I wish all V2 superchargers would be upgraded to V4 or even V3! Especially the popular sites like Gordano it would almost halve the charging time (when full) with the same number of chargers.
I think the issue with Ionic 5 and EV6 is that the ultra fast charging is done at 800v whereas the Tesla chargers are 400v so the 2 cars can’t ramp up. Still awaiting my EV6, so will no better soon
Great video. It's sad to see the litter considering there is a rubbish bin RIGHT there.
The bin was full though, so some of that could have blown out of the bin.
But then if the bin was within a private site, as it was in this case, they should be emptying it frequently enough so to not overflow.
Hi Matt great video as usual from your channel I have copied it in to our forum MGEVs as we are having issues with some of our MG vehicles not being able to use Tesla and I hope these new V4 units might sort it out them being contactless
Many thanks keep up the great work
Don’t know if this is possible for you to do but I
Paused your video at 13:58 into it and took a picture of your QR code could you not use this I don’t know how to upload the picture of the screen shot but you can do it yourself I’m sure many thanks again
Les
Thanks Les. Yes I've got the receipt now from the QR code on this video following previous comments.
BTW, looks like the cable is long enough to reach fillers car nose-in, if wrong sided.
Great video. Thanks for the in depth review and overview of the chargers you visit 👍
Thank you.
Great video, owning the original Ioniq with faster charging but smaller battery glad to know they work on the Ioniq. The Ioniq 5 won't charge more than 42kW due to his 800v architecture, he needs to use non-Tesla chargers to get top speed they can't deal with the 800V architecture yet so all cars with it will max at 40-50kW.
Good to know, thanks
Isnt the v4 supercharger supposed to solve the 800v charging issues?
@@PsychedMedia others have said there that the issue is the car end and its something Hyundai/Kia need to resolve.
No more difficult than using a petrol pump. Enjoyed the video.
As someone who's done both for many years, I'd say filling in EV is much easier than filling an ICE vehicle, if you ignore time. But then most of the time, the filling only takes me 5 seconds as you don't need to wait for it.
Parking fines whilst charging here 😢Broken barriers or no tickets issued at entry “don’t bother” means sneaky parking fines at Hilton which is NOT really at terminal 5
Impressive.
I just looked at the app and see that the 50p/kWh is the normal cost but between 16:00 and 20:00 it's 58p. While at Wokingham, just off the M4, is currently 39p/kWh but that becomes 61p at 10:00 until 19:00 when it drops to 50p!
I had no idea that the dynamic pricing was so variable! Certainly worth looking out for the lower rates when possible. (I can't tell if the pricing changes on a daily rate - or if it's fixed at each supercharger. 🤔)
London pricing! But of course its also cheaper if you subscribe.
(and cheaper for Teslas)
@@GoGreenAutos all the Tesla prices I've looked at are cheaper than the usual rapid providers I use!
@@FFVoyager You pay for the installation and the power electronics as well as the energy. Tesla mass produces most of this themselves, so it costs them less than anybody else to put up some chargers, the supply chain for repairs is simpler, and the software integration is better. Annoyingly good if you are a competitor.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 I guess that is likely. But it has to encourage competition. There aren't any Superchargers on my regular routes - but I'll be checking them out and using them instead of Instavolt/Gridserve/Ospray when I can.
Still cheaper than gasoline :D
I guess the QR code disappearing isn't much different to when you pay for parking and miss pressing the receipt button before it disappears from the machine. I guess the difference is that you can usually press the receipt button before the end of the process, so maybe Tesla should display the QR code as soon as your payment is authorised.
That the Ioniq 5/6, Kia EV6/9 charge so slow is a software bug on the cars side.
They charge quickly on SuC V2, but not on V3s and this one is basically a V3 just with the new stalls. The Superchargers can only output 500V, but those cars need 750V for charging, so they internally need to increase the voltage. Somehow they think that the charger only outputs 100A exactly and then they simply don't ask for more.
Hyundai and Kia don't seem to want to fix this.
Thanks for the info
I have asked Kia. They say the problem is on Teslas side.
Definitely not.
If you plug in a CCS log device in the middle you can see that the car is only asking for 100A.
But actually some EV6 and Ioniq 5 cars are just charging fine with full 150kW there. It seems to only affect most cars, but not all of them which is strange.@@tomm5936
@@tomm5936 yes of course, great way to get kia drivers to buy a Tesla next time though.
@@jjonkie or Tesla doesn’t want to fix it. Great way to get Kia drivers to switch to Tesla
weird placement. the one I've seen previously has the stalls placed in the middle. Making it easier for right chargeport cars to charge also. but yeah, I guess the other cars just have to park nose in. not as a big issue as I thought
Very interesting thanks. It may be my memory failing me but I think the pictures I've seen of V4 installations in the EU show the stalls in the centre behind the parking bay with the white side flat on to the back of the car (much like a traditional non-Tesla charger) so that would allow the cable to reach both sides and eliminate the temptation to use the wrong bay as per the Ioniq5. Hopefully Tesla UK haven't got this wrong but it's just as likely it's my memory letting me down. Also my Tesla app doesn't seem to pick up this site within the locations section but that might be my lack of understanding of where Tottenham is.
Tesla don't seem to have a standard as to where they place the stalls (within the UK). Different sites have different arrangments.
These chargers are now on the Tesla FindUs map and I assume in the app too. Tottenham is NNE London.
They need to sort the litter out.
Nice.
Btw, can you check the framerate of your cameras as the one in the car is set to a different rate to the video stream which causes choppiness especially when going around corners.
I've tried, but can't work it out. I have to use my DSLR camera in auto mode because I don't know how to use the manual modes. Its either auto or the chance I cock it all up and get no footage.
It is/was free is you used the tesla app to authorize charging... it also listed the price as being free in the tesla app
This is now the closest supercharger to me so good to know how to find it. Thanks. How's the experience with a Tesla? I take it the payment screen will not be needed and yo just plug on as usual? Good to see it's not too busy yet either. Saves me going through the soon to be tolled Blackwall Tunnel to get to North Greenwich.
Yes, with a Tesla you just plug in and walk away. That is as long as you have an account with your car and payment details in it.
They kept the free charging quiet. What day was it?
I mark it on my calendar for the next time (15 years)..
Are destination chargers free??
It was on 29th August. As it was in "celebration" of the 10th anniversary of the EU Supercharging network, then no, destination chargers wouldn't be included. Destination chargers are privately owned by the premises/land owner.
Wasn't overly excited by that experience you had
Thanks, lets hope my Kia EV6 can charge, it does not work on the V3 chargers. Longer cables excellent, not sure Tesla owners are too happy sharing the network.
It'll probably be the same as the Ioniq 5. Many people have commented here that the 800V cars only charge at ~45kW on the Supercharger network.
This location has v4 dispensers but the rest is still a v3 site. You will still only get the 42kw. I drive an EV6 in Denmark and I have found that I get better charging at v2 sites. I saw 96 kw the other day. In the app they are labeled 150kw sites.
How long will the roll out be for these new chargers? The current tesla chargers are they open to all vehicle.
No they're not. This shows you how to find the ones which are open to all EVs - ruclips.net/video/-fq4R-PSHOU/видео.html
But its changing all the time. I read somewhere recently that now 74% of the EU network is open.
These new V4 chargers are currently being installed at all new installations in the UK and some coming online in a matter of days.
Thanks for this.Great to see a Disabled bay I do wish more will be made.
You're welcome
Yes, also nice that they are not just restricted to blue badge holders. I'm 75, use a stick because I'm a bit hobbly but nothing like bad enough to even try to get a UK disabled parking badge - which for those who don't know are getting very difficult to obtain and can take quite a long time to get issued. I'm planning buying a Model Y for my 75th as these days I need a car that is easier to get in and out of and the extra clearance by the doors is really helpful. Thanks Tesla!
The older Tesla chargers were not pretty useless for most other EVs. Some have the port in the same place.
If not they usually could be charged when the stalls werent all occupied.
is it a £20 charge per session? is it cheaper through applications, i.e. billing per kw?
No, the £20 is the pre-authorisation. Billing is per kWh.
For vehicles like the Ionic and others that charge from the right side, why not just head in? Seems like the new longer cables would reach. Am I right?
Yes they would, particularly like this site where the stalls are within the bay, rather than behind the bay/kerb.
That's the idea
How is the repair on your model S going
SLOW. Its still sat at the bodyshop in bits, waiting for all the parts to arrive.
That Tesco and routes into and around it are perfectly summed up by the phrase "What a weird place".
Maybe there was another route into the trading estate from straight over the roundabout, but its currently being redeveloped and currently blocked off. But yes, it felt like I was going into the Tesla carpark to get to the Tesla site. Since looking back at the video, I wasn't. But it felt like that when it was my first time and didn't know where I was going.
@@GoGreenAutos From my experience, that is the route from the old Ikea to the North Circular and the new Tesla centre... right though the middle of Tesco.
The free charging was certainly available when charger was activated via the app so it's possible the contactless terminal just didn't have it enabled.
800v cars are famous for having speed issues on superchargers.
You could say superchargers have not enabled charging at high voltages because current Tesla models don't use that. They can be upgraded to 1000 V, but the first Tesla to use that is the Cybertruck, and you don't see many of those around Tottenham. Which means if you have a Porsche or a fast Hyundai in Europe, you charge somewhere like Ionity on a road trip. Superchargers will work but be slow.
It seems just the contactless payment transactions weren't free that day. Not surprising really seeing these had only just gone live and are the first ones in the world.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718
You could say that the Tesla charger design was ratified in 2012 and everyone knew the spec.
If others had thought they may end up using the Tesla system it may have been an idea to make the cars which they were designing from.... 2015 onwards? compatible with that existing network?
Especially as the offer to use the network was there from Tesla?
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On the other hand, Tesla could have developed a time machine and checked what cars which hadn't been designed yet were going to require a decade later?
(/s)
@@rogerstarkey5390 We can say many things. Tech evolves. Back then a 1000 V Cybertruck would have seemed... Marginally more sci-fi than a 400 V Cybertruck. Companies have their reasons to go to higher voltages (charging at more than 300 kW while handling the cable by one person) and Tesla have their reasons to wait until this year. (The Cybertruck is the first product that has practical use for it. The Semi is on a different level.) It is just one of the messy parts of the weird world of fast charging. Which makes me wonder if the Cybertruck will charge slowly because of low voltage Superchargers in the beginning.
Never thought I'd say these words in the same sentence!
That's brilliant Elon.👏
I will issue a denial to the above if anyone asks 😂
Well, rockets land back to earth vertically is hard to beat!
You are spoiled down south! In the Midlands we still have 3 or 4 GeniePoint chargers, faulted for several years now & they have the cheek to raise the retainer charges from £8 to £30! I’d be stuffed locally if I couldn’t charge at home. Love my EV but things like this are not good for EV adoption where I live.
An ioniq5 Unfortunately won't charge faster than 42 KW on a Tesla supercharger
Great video as always. Whilst I thought about an EV in 2018 I didn't buy one, but I will probably buy an EV in 2025 when my current car loan runs out. I had never thought about receipts for charing EVs. Currently my employer pays for my business miles, I log my work miles and provide them with receipts from when I fill up with petrol. How would this work if I had an EV and charged almost exclusively from home?
Wall chargers record the electricity usage.
@@GoGreenAutos Thanks, so in theory I could provide my employee with a "receipt" from the wall charger?
@@darrenjosephgregory Yes. But some also have a software tool that handles this if you want to charge for your electricity. I think Wallbox offer this and you paid a subscription to use it. Others will do the same too.
Hi Matt. Thanks for the card number. Any chance of the 3 on the back?
I tried to mask it out on the RUclips editor, but it wouldn't work. You cant do a mask for that short amount of time.
Why are the Parking stalls filthy? Is England as filthy as well?
In places yes. England is in a mess!
I used these last night and it said £20 connection fee I charged for 10 minutes and it said £5.50 after I finished check my bank next day and it charged me the £20 I’m confused
I assume you used a debit card rather than a credit card? That would be the pre-authorisation, which will get refunded shortly when your £5.50 is deducted. If you use a credit card, you don't see any of this.
@@GoGreenAutos master debit card
I needed to pay Idle fee becouse the EV I drove that day have charging speed below 40 kW. That is all the same for all none Tesla. Even I was alone on the Supercharger location.
It amazes just many none Tesla EV drivers are so clueless. They just plug in without giving it a thought as to which stall to use. The E-GMP EVs (and Lucid along many other 800 volts architecture) have a voltage converter issue with current Tesla chargers. And yes, the V4 you are showing are simply the dispensers (the chargers are those large white cabinets in the background somewhere), athe actual chargers are still the old 400 volts ones for now.
I think its perfectly acceptable that an Ioniq 5 (or other 800V car) driver wouldn't know why a Tesla Supercharging isn't going to give him a decent charging speed, when all the other rapid chargers he's used previously has.
I didn't know either, but then I've never had an 800V vehicle either.
@@GoGreenAutos I would agree if we were still in the 20th century without smart phones. But in the 2020's with all the world's information in the palm of your hand and at a moments notice, not so much so. You, on the other hand, have never had an 800V EV, so you would not have had an interest to look it up.
Great video maybe Tesla will have to install bins as well by the look of the rubbish on the floors 😂😂
They were bins, but they were full.
Are all Tesla ccs chargers usable by other manufacturers cars? Maybe it’s only free via their app?
No they're not. This shows you how to find the ones which are open to all EVs - ruclips.net/video/-fq4R-PSHOU/видео.html
But its changing all the time. I read somewhere recently that now 74% of the EU network is open.
As for my charging session in the video, it was only free if I was using the app.
@@GoGreenAutos thanks for that help, now subscribed!
Great video keep doing these. What is wrong with the Ioniq 5s battery management system? For example my i3s can only charge at 50kW if I use a 50kW rapid it may charge between 46-48 However if I use a 360kW Ionity it will flat line at 50kW right up to 90%. The ioniq 5s I’ve seen often charge at 30-45 kW if the battery is too hot or too cold. This needs fixing.
Fast charging with the battery far from ideal temperature will cause degradation, so good temperature control is very important. An extreme example is of course Nissan Leaf in hot climates. Speculations: A low rated charger may have limitations on the cables used. They may be limited to a certain number of amperes, but if you were at a higher battery voltage, you would get 50 kW. That could result in a charge rate slightly below 50 kW but creeping up as you charge until you hit other limits. At a 350 kW max charger you will not be near any such limits, and your car will be the limiting factor.
Someone has commented here to say that the Tesla Superchargers don't support the 800V architecture yet, so max out at 40-50kWh on these cars.
Just scan QR code from the video ;)
I did think of that, but assumed it wouldn't work because I didn't get a good clear shot. But just tried now and it worked. Thank you.
The reason that the new V4 chargers have cars readers is to qualify for the new US Grant of $Bns for their installation in the USA as the requirement is they must have card reading ability, as in the EU their ruling is similar but not to qualify for grants, just new laws, stating new units must have card readers and given an amount of time to add them to older units. Some older V2 and V3 units now getting a stand alone card reader in order to meet this requirement. We in the UK and EU are being used to trial these V4’s because we are way ahead of the US on opening up Superchargers and also many more EV variants. This is why we’ve got the new units, albeit very few!
TESLA is NOT getting Billion$.
the reason they have card readers in the UK is because new UK legislation requires all public EV chargers to have contactless readers
@@simoncoles2463 because of the EU law that was already agreed.
all the Tesla thinking who is this F with a Hunyadi
What can your model S charge at Matt?
Its been so long since I've driven it, I've forgotten! Its still in the bodyshop. But I think the charging peaks at 120kW, but soon drops down below 100kW.
Maybe they should have used an E-ink display, good readability and visibility
The display is poor. There's some sensors on the left, so clearly has some intelligence, but its not bright or large enough.
Speaking of hogging charging bays, here's my experience (it's quite a long story, but you'll see my point at the end). I was at a Pod Point rapid charger yesterday in a Lidl supermarket. This location only has 1 rapid charger that can do either CHAdeMO or CCS and 3-phase AC at the same time. It cannot do dual DC charging. I arrived to find a 2nd gen. Nissan Leaf already using the CHAdeMO so I planned to use the 22kW AC as I have a Zoe which can charge at that speed. However, I have visited this charger on a few occasions and apart from maybe once or twice when it was new, it point blank refuses to initiate and start a charge on my Zoe. I've never have any issues elsewhere with single or 3-phase AC charging. Nevertheless, I connected and hoped it would work this time. It didn't. With no other option I disconnected and waited for DC power to become available (there were no other EVs waiting or nearby). Out of curiosity I checked the screen for CHAdeMO and noticed the Leaf was at 97% drawing just 3kW. The timer showed he had been connected for almost 1.5 hours and did not seem the least bit bothered that it's pointless staying on a rapid charger when the state of charge is over 85-90%. If he really wanted to leave with 100% he could have disconnected and reconnected to AC which would have had the same 3kW speed. As I sat there for a more few minutes waiting to use the CCS, I noticed the driver leave his vehicle to go in to the supermarket (with his Leaf now at 98%). After another 15 or so minutes he returned and finally disconnected. It just goes to show a lack of awareness over charging speeds at high states of charge. I did send a complaint to Pod Point about the 3-phase AC not working on my Zoe, and also suggested their rapid charger needs updating to allow dual DC charging, a second rapid charger or perhaps some 7kW AC destination charge posts. As demand for EVs is only going to increase, I think we are going to see this sort of situation getting ever more common.
TL;DR: EV drivers need educating to not hog rapid charging bays when at very high states of charge.
Yes it does annoy me that many drivers don't understand charging and seem to also think they must charge 100% whether they need it or not. Tesla Superchargers have it right by charging a fee if you don't disconnect within a few minutes of your notification. If all networks did something similar, it would help everyone and free up capacity.
I have had a discussion with someone once telling me I should disconnect at 80% or so. Yet, as I told that person, no one else but me knows how much I need to charge for the journey I am doing. Turns out, at that time I had planned my trip so that a full charge was required at that particular stop (full being 94% on my Ioniq 28kWh). So while I agree that some people may be pointlessly charging at full for no real reason, sometimes people do need to charge to full. I personally tend to leave a note on my windscreen to let people know. But now, better than that: I tend to charge fully on AC destination 7-22kW charge points (which should be ubiquitous in my opinion) and I purposely only rapid charge at places and services that have at least 5-6 chargers (meaning at least 10-12 CCS connectors). Haven’t come across with any queue on those just yet. 😊
@@Nikoo033 If I may be so bold... The idea is to charge to a max of around 80%, then drive. If that is insufficient for that journey then you stop again. I am quite sure that you may have had good reasons to want to avoid stopping again on this occasion, but this channel has an educational element to it and we should all be prepared to stop multiple times on very long journeys to reduce our overall travel time and to stop hogging chargers while we trickle that last precious few kWh in. It is this mentaility that is preventing us from getting the most from the charging network. I do hope this doesn't come across as critical of you, just wanted to make the observation for other readers.
@@Ben-gm9lo disagree. If my journey planner, which is set up to optimise journey time, tells me to rapid charge up to 94% at some point, then I know it is already the best option and then that’s what I do. But with the Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh, it’s not really an issue since charging from 15% to 94% takes 20-25 min. Again, no one can know better than the person charging why they need to charge until a particular SoC is reached.
I have seen Porsche taycans in tesla bays not even plugged in - just using the space as parking. I think there are no enforcement powers as is the case with people who unnecessarily occupy disabled spots.
Wow electricity there is as expensive as petrol here. I only pay $0.11 at the super charger here.
Tesla is cheap compared to the other UK networks. BP Pulse is 83p pkWh for rapid charging. Other networks are 69-79p.
Seems this is how Tesla will roll out SC to all, it will be on the new V4 chargers because the older ones wont be lawful due to no credit card payments or display showing cost.
The older ones will probably be lawful since they were planned before the law changed. (That is how it works in Norway, and probably will work in the EU.) They can add a separate display to show information about the whole site of older chargers if the law is written that way. (Taiwan has done it this way, I think.)
24 Tesla Supercharging sites in the UK are already open to all and about 75% of the EU sites. These are all the previous generations Superchargers via the app only. Tesla have been quietly opening up their network and offering the cheapest pricing without any fanfare! But yes, these new V4 meets all the new guidelines and will start popping up. They are currently installing some at Reading too, which I'll record over the next couple of weeks.
I hope they can solve their issue with Portugal legislation using these new supercharger stands with card readers.
How much was the parking ?
No parking charges.
The 10th anniversary seemed to relate to the EU, (if I remember correctly) but we aren't in the EU, so........
it did apply to the UK too. I got charged as I used my card on the contactless terminal. If I'd used the app, I wouldn't have been charged.
@@GoGreenAutos Ah yes that makes sense. Good report Sir !
This should be the standart, to just pay via Credit card with no shitty apps and proprietary RFID cards/chips that is the only thing I hate about charging
Surprised there’s nothing to keep someone from backing into the supercharger. Maybe you guys are better drivers 😊
Yes I thought that, but then they are in the painted line and slim, so if you park within the bay, you'll miss them just fine.
It was free to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the first SuC in europe
Apparently the Tottenham Tesla Supercharger is going to become Tesla only in a couple of weeks time
Yes, I saw this.
Somebody is going to reverse right into them things with out a cement pole
Skip to 3:15 for the real start..
That’s how all charging should be and 50p per KWH not that bad.
13.29 good that’s what he gets for parking in the wrong bay
If only all charging networks would retrofit their chargers with contactless payment machines! They can't use compatibility as an excuse, all of my local air pumps have been retrofitted with contactless payment!
They will in time.
If they can maintain their 50-60p/kWh rate and open more chargers to non-Tesla owners, Tesla have the potential to drastically make an impact on the currently-normalised 75-79p/kWh tariff that any random new operator thinks their chargers are worth paying for 😅
Yes, Tesla have always been around 20p cheaper than other larger UK networks. If Tesla keep growing the network, they will force a change or put them out of business. I suspect many of the other networks will merge with each other over time. There''s just too many of them and they're all struggling to make a profit.
@@GoGreenAutos one provider that I would like to come over to the UK is the french company Electra. I haven’t tried them, but the charging experience they provide seems great. You can apparently book the chargers in advance according to your arrival time 😍
@@Nikoo033 There is a UK charge network that allows that (advance booking) too - ez-charge.co.uk
@@GoGreenAutos the font of their website is terrible 🤣 can barely read what’s written.
42 kW for 800V systems is very bad. I would not charge there, even it were free all the time.
Finally they start to understand how it should be done! Even though regulations of course certainly have pushed this forward...
Now let's see when we see them in Sweden. And let's see when they stop working... Tesla does not have a reputation of stuff handling cold, wet and freezing. I bet the screen will have trouble either by cold and/or by leaking water in it after a while.
But we shall see if they have learned their lesson.
Tesla should limit the v3 and v4 superchargers to cars that have a minimum charge rate of 100kWh.
Cars with lower charge rates are usually cars with smaller batteries, so a typical charge time is still the same at around 30 mins.
Agree. This is going to cause chaos for Tesla owners who bought into the Tesla Supercharger network. Non-Teslas should be limited by minimum speed requirements and a maximum stay.
This is probably the most downloaded receipt ever in Teslas history 😂😂
Future problem I see is that Tesla super chargers will be choked up with non Tesla vehicles charging at well under the potential output.
The car featured here on the owners admission can only charge at 1/7th of the available output and took 43 minutes to load 23kw of charge this is an abysmal charge rate in that time and will cripple the Tesla charging network.
A Tesla model Y would of loaded that 23kw of power in around 4 minutes, thats 10 times faster!!
Total madness they will live to regret.
42kw is the maximum any tesla supercharger seems to charge the Ioniq's, even the 5 or 6. Obviously they have nobbled them in some fallacious attempt to prove their tesla's charge faster...
You should say "ALL CCS2 EVs".
Yes, you're correct.
Not a bad price either.
Tesla are the cheapest DC network. Prices are cheaper than this at other sites and the price varies depending on the time of day. Its even cheaper for Tesla owners. But then as a non-Tesla owner, you can get it at their price if you subscribe at £10.99 per month.
@@GoGreenAutos
I'm waiting for Tesla to initialise their Utility registration.
(They applied to become a UK energy utility company)
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Imagine if they installed Megapacks at charge locations, traded the energy they collect and partially subsidised the charging?
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I'm also hoping they challenge the UK Marginal pricing arrangement and break the link between cheap green energy and the Natural Gas price which holds ALL of our energy at the high price, even if over 60% is green at a given moment.
Interesting, thanks. Do you know if all of these chargers are open to non Teslas, or do they reserve some as Tesla only?
Yes all I think.
@@GoGreenAutos Thanks. I’m not sure how I feel about that. On one hand as Tesla driver, I’m against it, on the other, the more money Tesla make from chargers (hopefully) means that they’ll deploy more chargers, which can only be good for all EV drivers.
@@PrivateHireGuy But at least its dynamic, so Tesla can change it on the fly, as they do with pricing. So if a site is particularly busy with non-Teslas charging and Tesla vehicles are on route, they can restrict the number of stalls that are unlocked. I don't think they do this yet, but as more open up, its one tool they can use if needed.
We just need more Tesla Supercharging sites. They just do charging better than anyone. More reliable, cheapest and largest number of stalls. However, CCS2 only, so no good for Chademo or AC charging EVs.
Imagine if Shell offered free petrol on an anniversary you wouldn't be able to get within a mile of the petrol station. This is because petrol is expensive.
For an EV that charges at home on an off peak rate the amount of money you are saving is not much at all, just not worth making the trip to the service center (unless you are making a RUclips video).
Well, yes. I only went there to make a video. That morning, I heard about these new chargers. I wasn't going to bother going as I try to keep away from London. But then read that the Supercharging network was free, so changed my plans and drove in.
I'm glad I did as this is proving to be a popular video (for my little channel).
Yeah would have been free if you used the app
I hope that Tesla will ship their “old” chargers to “developing” countries to boost the EV transition there too.
It would be good if they don't end up being scrapped.
@@benjaminhanke79
They'll be recycled.
OMG that's expensive electricity.
For the UK, its not (currently). Other major networks are charging 70-80p pkWh for DC rapid charging.
It's almost the same in Germany. Ionity takes 0,79€/kWh. That's about three times what you pay for your home electricity. The lowest price at Tesla I've seen so far was 0,45€. I wish I had known that one year ago when I got my car.
Perfect master stroke. This will increase footfall at Tesla showrooms.
That's needed too. Every time I've been in one, they're empty and the staff are bored!
@@GoGreenAutos
Car showrooms generally.....?
Why would a baby want his or her pram charged?🤣
Would really p me off as a Tesla driver to turn up at these new chargers and still see non teslas parked blocking 2 bays. How stupid do you need to be to not figure out how to park correctly 🤔😤
It’s bad enough when I arrive at the other Tesla sites and can’t charge because of being blocked by a non Tesla blocking 2 bays, but to have it happen at the new ones is ridiculous
You shouldn't call these people stupid. Tesla just doesn't make it easy for them. They could put the charger in the middle of the bay like Ionity does.
I have only once been blocked by a car at a Tesla charger, and it was a Tesla Model Y doing the blocking by taking up 3 stalls with his camper trailer.
4:18
So, when are you buying your Tesla?😁
The only new Tesla I would buy is a Cybertruck. But as that's likely to never come to the UK market, I'll have to stick with my 2014 Tesla Model S....but that is still in the bodyshop (see ruclips.net/video/GY4jxN8hUfs/видео.htmlsi=B-mkja3mhZnVyL-A)
Please do not use these chargers if you have a PHEV.
BP don't do charging properly with out they machines and using a stupid app,
And ripping you off for 70p pkh or more......
No cash payments then?
Scrunching notes and dropping coins into a charger of any kind is both impractical and unnecessary.
Anybody with an EV who does not have a contactless card is charging at home only.
Which chargers anywhere take cash?
@@michaelgoode9555 no kiosk to pay cash to?
@@SirHackaL0t. I don't know, Im not wealthy enough to need an ev charger lol
Petrol Stations and their shops inside soon going totally cashless .
the way it should be,,, when ppl get gas,,, they dont use an app,,, same should be for ev cars
It was free to Tesla vehicles only.
Apparently other non-Teslas got free charging too, but when using the app. It seems just the contactless payment transactions weren't free. Not surprising really seeing these had only just gone live and are the first ones in the world.
Tesla customer service is rank bad