My bike was stolen, I bought a new one, not expecting to get it back, but I did! It was horrible, the kid who stole it was tearing it apart on the living room floor and then his mum calls the police on him due to an argument. Then I have to pay £250 to collect it from impound, It's mangled, twisted and covered in fingerprint dust, so I asked "If it was found in the thief's house, why dust it for prints?" I then enjoy a 20 minute lecture on how they charged me to do fingerprints but this isn't CSI and how fingerprints are never found. Such a cheek to waste my money like that! I've had long explanations from guilty police before, like why my young sister was naked? Or why I was asked to bring her clothes? Why they only handed her a blanket after I was called and arrived the next day? And why if her clothes were a risk did they leave that thick gold chain round her neck? Explanations fell silent after that! A few months back they threw my next door neighbor, my younger brother around like a rag doll. Knocked my door to get me to calm him down, they got the opposite, I was crying and angry because they were clearly deranged. An app had told someone who lost earphones on a train that my brother was a thief! Then the address changed to mine half way through the illegal forced search. They apologized after the complaints rolled in. When I was a kid, the police gave me a harsh lesson, they warn you that crimes get you arrested, but no one warns you that your genitals are a source of entertainment! No one warns you that no matter how compliant, apologetic and forthcoming you are, if your not crying, it really makes them angry. It convinces them that your smug and getting away with something and they want to make sure your punished in other ways, and their good enough to explain this to you as they try various methods to make you cry. The last one worked as silent tears dripped on my school shoes while a crowd gathered for my search. I don't just lack respect, they terrify me, all people who can hold control over me terrify me, but the police are like a gang of thugs in a dark alley! I have hormone overproduction problems from genetic GAD, I lose all control if I get upset, so I try my best not to because panic attacks, narcolepsy and sleep paralysis isn't fun! But when I get in trouble, my lack of emotion always makes it worse!
The pubs were taxed out of existence. It's where people met, talked and mixed. We were reduced to staying at home. Now we're being stopped from talking online. Chat rooms were banned and watch X be banned.
Also I maintain that any pub on a Friday night , has more ideas and better suggestion on how to run this country, than any politician will ever have.....
Divide and conquer. That's what the Government want. They want to control what we say, and where and how we say it. They want us in a position where we cannot communicate. It's a typical communist strategy. That's taken from the Chinese playbook. It's what they do over there, limit social media. They will ban facebook, X and all of it next. Then they will likely make VPN illegal. All this in a democratic, free speaking nation? It's time to face facts that Labour are a communist party. Everything that they are doing screams communism. Limiting what we say online won't stop free speech. All it will do is take our platforms away. There will only be one way left then, before long, and that will be to take our arguments to the street, in open protest, in marches. That will, even of itself, result in chaos and anarchy. I think that's what Labour want. I think that they want Chaos and Anarchy on the streets.
Its no coincidence. If a pub goes bust in a poor Muslim area, it becomes a mosque or takeaway. If it goes bust in a poor wh*te area they get demolished. Why is that do you think?….
Plus the smoking ban, I’d actually given up smoking by then but I’d go to the pub and all the interesting people were stood outside in the cold and wet.
You are so right. I am from Middlesbrough originally and each time I go home, more of it disappears. It is now unrecognizable and it breaks my heart. How dare they destroy my identity, my home. It is gone.
"People have stopped talking to each other." I don't blame them. Every word you utter these days "offends" someone or risks losing you your job, getting mobbed or attacked. Why try to converse people who hate you and who you in return hate?
@@horserousI remember talking to my grandfather in 1977 about the price of a pint. He said that it had stayed proportional to the wage packet. Every evening after work me my father and grandfather would go for a single pint alongside my uncles and cousins. The Old Justice next to the Thames.
UK does not have a constitution. If it did, citizens would actually have protections against the predatory politics of both Labour and the Conservatives. Don't expect politicians to propose a constitution either. They recognise it would greatly restrict their power. And that is the LAST thing they want.
That's because it's his own background. He was brought up in almost poverty - don't let his accent make you think he came from a 'posh' background. He managed to get where he is because of grammar school, which helped so many poor people like him make something of their lives - something labour abhor.
@@missmuffet3874 Grammar schools helped people in poverty but with a brain to have a better future than they'd get otherwise. Labour decided they didn't want people to be streamed on merit into schools, so the comprehensive system was introduced which levelled people down to the same level, and stopped social mobility. Barely anyone went to university until Blair decided half of all school leavers should go. When only a tiny fraction went it was affordable to pay the brightest a grant to go to university to get a worthwhile degree, and to pay the fees. Most student loans aren't paid back, which means that there is essentially a student grant system still in place, so what are you complaining about? It's a much higher cost to the taxpayer these days, particularly with a huge number of quite frankly useless degrees on offer - but the universities need bums on seats. When I was at school everyone was really impressed when a girl in the year above me got into university, it was that rare. Most people left school at 15 or 16 and started working. A handful stayed on to do A levels, and a small proportion of those people then went on to university.
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
I love Mr Starkey. I could listen to him all day. Behind his perfect RP you can recognise he’s a real Northerner with decent morals who truly loves his country. ❤
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
Yes, perhaps it was, but I prefer my acedemics politically neutral then I can make up my own mind, i don't need to be spoon fed someone else's prejudices.
This closing of pubs seems to have started nr the end of Blair premiership, as I remember when there was a pattern that I noticed just in roughly a 2mile radius that not only the local pub got bulldozed but the hub of local communities, it was no surprise to me within a year the immigrants started pouring in, Blair didn't want a hub of locals who who gathered in number as he wanted to separate ppl so they didn't all rub their heads together to see what Blair an Labour were upto.
They introduced a performance tax . Which meant that you could only have 2 performers on stage or the landlord had to pay tax. This killed off live music in my area. A lot of bars went to Karaoke then eventually closed & were pulled down to make way for housing.
They knocked down perfectly good houses to do this too. Houses that had mostly W people (actual brits) and big communities. They also knocked down historic schools and other buildings that had a connection to the people there. Eventually people will want to survive, we are seeing the very beginning of the resistance.
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
@@DrMontague nonsense, everyone in charge today are marxist and socialist and they admit that, that's all western universities have been teaching for the past decade (or more since its embedded into all subjects), and their regime reflects everything seen in communist states. Jailing political opponents, censorship of truth, high inflation and prices, it doesn't matter what system you have when you have no border security it will only ever end up worse.
White indigenous people cause serious crime. Jimmy Savile was t a Muslim, nor was Thomas Hamilton (Dunblane school massacre 1996) or Hindley and Brady, who were of the far right wing .
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
Its not for nothing that they made pubs the first victim of covid and the lockdowns, every local pub used to have its own resident bar room barrister who enlightened more insular customers, 40 years ago people would have observed the lockdowns from the safety of their local whilst riduculing the government.
I feel as if i'm being told " Shut up and pay for your own destruction" When all we want is our children and elderly safe and cared for, our property secure and protected, not a crime number for an insurance you may have or not should financial status differ. And consequences for ALL that break our laws. All of our meeting places have been closed down including the great youth club association growing up I was a member of 4, holidays and sporting activity for a very low price, now we have to fight child obesity and mental health with other forms of funding why?
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
@@DrMontagueno, it's simple taxation, they made the public house untenable. The public house is a result of capitalism, we all can't have a parlour to entertain business partners or court suiters in, so the public house meets that communal need, the purchase of food and drink keep the doors open. Pubs are a result of capitalism, but they are also essential to communal organisation. they are after the ethnic english method of social organising, going to the pub. The pub wouldn't exist without capitalism, as making a crust selling things is pretty basic, you have beer and big house, I have no beer and a little house, you let me use your large house and in return I buy your beer. It's a simple trade.
@@DrMontagueyour war point is stupid, there will always be war, th communists were always at war, war is part of the human experience as a group selected species, so long as there are people, there will be war, as things aren't infinite, there's only so much to go around. Do you think somehow cos it's the current year humans are Gunna move past that? No way, the stronger tribe will always attack the weaker tribes for territory, we've been this way since before we were human. Get over it, nature is cruel, people will always fight as that's how we select out the weak links. We are animals, evolution didn't stop when we climbed down fromghe trees, our instincts are violent and selfish and clannish. That will never change. You believe people are fundamentally good, and you couldn't be more wrong, you were failed by your educators. My condolences.
We need to organise politically on the same line as Solidarność in Poland. In the early 1980s, Solidarność (Solidarity in English) gave rise to a broad, non-violent, anti-Communist social movement that, at its height, claimed some 9.4 million members. It is considered to have contributed greatly to the Fall of Communism. This is the way forward. In the meantime we must expose this regime abroad and urge our American friends to impose sanctions on the communist regime ruling Britain. Unfortunately, the UK has become a staunchly authoritarian state. Our institutions are politicised and in disarray, law and order a la carte and rules are only relevant when these serve the regime.
Its kind of scary so in 80' I was 1 of that Solidarność activ members and it seems like that was happening just"yesterday"..Im must be getting old😉👍@LeeGee
What a tremendous and extremely interesting comment. Not every day one sees the Polish Solidarity movement evoked as a strategy in 21C Britain but it’s a brilliant remark.
The workers were treated like shit!The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
@@koala6016 Millions worshiped thatcher gave, her three election victories, they worshiped bojo gave him a landslide victory. Now they have voted in tory keir scammer. The working class have been flogged with a whips of their own choosing and they deserve what they get. Pubs closing doesn't bother me, the money I have saved by not going to them means I can go to live in benidorm for the winter. The right wing pensioners can freeze!
Like you I wouldn't want to live in Grimsby and would take the dust opportunity to get out tbh. I am sure though that charitably you would have stayed.. ...
Labour were subverted precisely *because* they represented working people. Not that the Tory Party hasn't been corrupted and distorted but Labour was clearly the big target. This isn't a natural process - it's the sabotage of British democracy from within.
Instead of spreading the billions of pounds out to the more deprived areas of the country they plan to spend it all on another crossing over the river Thames.
Despite slavery there are still so many DAMN BLACKS in America. No Dr Starkly Raving it's not going away. Own it. You meant it. You only apologised because you were found out.
Hundreds of. Villages, have lost, schools, pubs,shops and churches, since WWII, mainly because of a , complete change in the demographic of the people living in them, instead the houses or cottages housing the carpenter, blacksmith and teacher, even the smallest dwelling have been, taken over by the rich,,then priced , way beyond any normal pocket, the very HEART of this communities and most estates has vanished, alongside the community help once readily available….
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
It already exists, it's called the Orange Lodge and they have chapters all across Britain. They have declined in recent years outside of NI but they are patriotic and already very well organised. Their members in NI, where they are significant enough, are used to influence politics as voting blocks and act as a hub for the community and they could be used in the same way on mainland Britain.
The blame for the start of the riots began with the dishonesty of the Female chief Constable for Southport, she lied in an attempt to try and cover up the true identity of the the suspect, because she knew he was black and his parents were immigrants from Rwanda. she totally misled the public and was not honest and open. so it was obvious that people did speculate, because they were lied to. What did she expect i do hope she gets prison time for racial incitement.
I think community means self policing (narks and grasses) . So looking to the future if your 15 minute "community" behaves you will be left alone if not then you will all suffer . Like when the teacher would hold the whole class back until we grassed on whoever had done the bad thing . We are living in very very dangerous times .
I awoke ftom a slumber..,enchanted by the fairy ring, to a land where i did not recognise anything,a land full of strangers , speaking languges i did not understand and ,i cried oh what has happened to old angleland..!..i turned back to where i had slept for centuries past ,under the old yew tree,and i begged the fairys ,take pity on me ,and through my tears the fairy king did appear as a bumble bee, and said i will administer the sting of compassion,so that you might be free,and as he pierced my flesh with his magical lance ,i fell into a wonderous trance ....now i am back where i belong ,in old england ,where the trees and people grow straight and strong,where we dance upon the village green,sing songs of saint george ,king arthur snd Jack oh the green ..!😅
Hilaire Belloc: ‘Change your hearts or you will lose your inns and you will deserve to have lost them. But when you have lost your Inns drown your empty selves, for you will have lost the last of England.’
Online retail combined with high rents has got a lot to do with there being so many struggling or empty shops. Parliament collectively showed how little they cared for small businesses during the lockdowns. These were the type of people who really made Britain as Bonaparte put it: "A Nation of Shopkeepers". The smoking ban under Blair hit the drinks trade hard. Some of the drop off from pubs is also down to drugs replacing alcohol as their recreational habit of choice. Drugs and dealers are thriving in this so called Cost of Living Crisis. When I stopped going out over 20 years ago there were dealers inside the doorways of some pubs. At the same time big pharma is also doing rather well. The main part of that crisis is an ongoing transfer of wealth so I am sure drugs will gradually be fully legalised for purposes of taxation by which point there won't be an NHS to shoulder the burden of an accompanying public health crisis. Less people who would still like to cannot afford to go out for a drink due to reduction in number of hours further lowering their real time wage. Universal Credit is partly to blame for the latter punishing people for working too much. And then the DWP come out with their annual 'getting long term unemployed people back to work' policy rebrand. You really couldn't make all this up but the politicians have at least manipulated it. They told us the ree ssettt was a conspiracy theory or misinformtion then Starmer casually threw it into his maiden speech. It is the blatancy of it all in plain sight which gets under the skin. Politicians have interfered with the running of the police and compromised the impartiality of the force with one stupid new law after another. Unfortunately it is the police whom the public come into contact with and largely blame. Taking officers off the beat due to sensitivities drove a wedge and now look at the friction in multicultural Britain. Politicians and lawyers (double whammy if your name is Starmer) are safe in their little bubbles, they don't have to care how it affects the rest of us. Oh and then there is the media with its identitarian project of soundbytes and labels that have created a minefield for anybody wanting to debate anything.
can the loudmouth presenter keep in mind that its Starkey we want to listen to not to the presenters smark ass interjections. Otherwise great and honest interview
Especially hilarious towards the end when Blondie asked a question, then attributed that question to starmer and then answered it himself 😆😂 you couldn't make it up!
Will we see the rise of 'Community Guardians': To protect Our women & Kids? Will groups of men realise the danger to their community of strangers being planted into areas up and down the country. If the police are not interested in safeguarding every community but only some communities, stranger danger does not go away.
How come there are NO comments about the style of this presentation? To me, the "commentators" seem self-possessed. and bloody rude throughout the whole clip. All of commentary is highly informative, Thank you. but David Starkey warrants much better manners.
Not just ' up North ' . I will offer the towns of Dagenham and Barking in East London , wherein industry has been all but completely destroyed along the once most productive industrial region in the UK by successive Labour governance and MPs to become dormitory Boroughs for migrants , single mothers and a hot bed of drill gangs plying their trades .The last election saw a cry for help in the huge turnout of voters for reform and Reform UK who came 2nd in both these constituencies
The Midlands & Northern England have been used as the dumping ground for "uninvited guests" , limited job opportunities ?, what could possibly go wrong .🧐
People lived in streets where everybody knew each other, and looked out for everyone else. My grandfather used to work in a tobacconist, and in the early 1950's cigarette companies asked for and got a lower price to sell them at. My grandfather said "Supermarkets will be the death of small shops". Ten years later in the early 1960's the tobacconist's he worked at closed. The Supermarkets did the same to the pubs, selling cheap beer and spirits, so, people either don't go out and drink more on their own. Or in small groups (which leads to other illnesses) and become a burden to the NHS. Either that or they get 'pre-loaded' (drunk as a scunk) at home and go out buy one drink in a pub and start a fight... I would make the price alcohol more expensive in Supermarks and off-licences than in pubs...
Clubs and societies fell apart with political correctness, but it was founded in health and safety legislation. Pubs died with the smoking ban for example. The legal system has systematically restricted people into a state of sheepishness. If they could regulate friendship, they would. At each stage we have said, "they'll never do that", and at each stage they did it. They won't be happy until you're born into a coffin and they can harvest your thoughts, whilst you try to live there.
Could we get a talk from David on how the Nazis operated or the Soviet Union . I have seen how England has changed from you getting into trouble to you doing things that are not "socially acceptable" smoking , drink driving , speeding , speech while all the time I see people living in squalor and rubbish up to their ankles ? But don't worry no body speeds anymore ??
Fundamentally, people need a social outlet. Historically that was met by the community and as such people felt a great connection to the people in their villages, town and cities. Now, our social lives are led virtually, without the need for a local community. So people feel that they are being fulfilled socially, and maybe they are, but a consequence of this is that our local communities feel anaemic and heartless.
The powerful have never liked pubs. People talk in pubs. Far better, for the powerful, that people sit at home watching TV programs supporting Government favoured orthodoxies, and propaganda. The BBC opposed BREXIT. Make it prohibitively expensive to go to the pub in the manner of our forefathers, and simultaneously much cheaper to sit in front of the propaganda machine in the corner. It's A Plan alright!
Starmer is a dangerous man, even the mention of involving the army means he ignores Peterloo and other reasons a civilian police force was formed. David you are right, Oldham and places like Ashton-under-Lyne where I grew up were not perfect but had far more for people to do than now.
Labour used to win the working class vote. Like most Socialist/Progressive parties in the West, they don't any more. It's not hard to understand why. Imagine yourself as a poor White British lad. Your entire life you've barely scrapped by. Record high inflation & housing prices hit you hard. Life is a struggle. You turn to Labour, the self-proclaimed "Party of the Working Class." They tell you that you have inherent privilege from your skin colour. Like wow, it would've been nice to feel that privilege during any of your long shifts. Labour then demonise your country and its history, seem to prioritise foreigners over you, and generally show nothing but disdain toward every concern you have. Labour is no longer the party of the working class. It is the party of immigrants, students & academics, and the rich who have delusions of grandeur. The same thing has happened in France to the Socialist party, in the USA to the Democratic Party, ect...
Great Britain has an excellent education system , excellent wages , excellent health care , and an overall great economy and standard of living . It’s citizens should welcome young and middle aged immigrants to revitalize and expand the economy .
Independent and Insular trends could be divisive without people recognising the fact that freedom comes with responsibility and a price if that is ignored. Thatcher did plant the seeds of everyone for themselves and division ensued. Politicians can be very dangerous people.
Those last minutes were excellent David, i should have liked to hears you go further. Sadly these 10min programmes dont do you justice. I will forming a letter to my MP around the issues you raise regarding policing.
Hang on? They blame Thatcher in the same breath as criticising the unions and rotten industry. Thatcher was a basic family values conservative who took on the unions and that rotten industry.
They weren't criticising unions or industry, they were saying how important these things were to the working class communities that needed them. A lot of these communities have never recovered from Thatcher and her misguided policies.
She didn't just merely take the unions on, she changed the laws which opened up British assets on the global market and they were subsequently bought up and shipped off. She also oversaw many of the first modern speech laws, which have led to what we have today.
i live in sunderland we were a great city in the past now we we only have mostly turkish barbers ans nail spas...all of the great shops has gone now sadly..oh and the pubs/night clubs
There is no such thing as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", fool - it was Soviet propaganda. Any other anti-Semitic theories that you'd like to get off your chest? Maybe that reliable old medieval chestnut about making bread with the blood of Christian children? or the Arabs claiming that the reason the Israelis created a thriving agricultural industry is that "The Jews steal the clouds!"?
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@@davidstarkeytalks you should speak to Graham Moore of the English constitution party that would be a fun talk 🏴👍
Too expensive. You are marvellous, please live to a 100.
I'd love to see a panel with you; Diane Sare (USA); and Robbie Barwick (AU)
My bike was stolen, I bought a new one, not expecting to get it back, but I did! It was horrible, the kid who stole it was tearing it apart on the living room floor and then his mum calls the police on him due to an argument. Then I have to pay £250 to collect it from impound, It's mangled, twisted and covered in fingerprint dust, so I asked "If it was found in the thief's house, why dust it for prints?" I then enjoy a 20 minute lecture on how they charged me to do fingerprints but this isn't CSI and how fingerprints are never found. Such a cheek to waste my money like that! I've had long explanations from guilty police before, like why my young sister was naked? Or why I was asked to bring her clothes? Why they only handed her a blanket after I was called and arrived the next day? And why if her clothes were a risk did they leave that thick gold chain round her neck? Explanations fell silent after that!
A few months back they threw my next door neighbor, my younger brother around like a rag doll. Knocked my door to get me to calm him down, they got the opposite, I was crying and angry because they were clearly deranged. An app had told someone who lost earphones on a train that my brother was a thief! Then the address changed to mine half way through the illegal forced search. They apologized after the complaints rolled in. When I was a kid, the police gave me a harsh lesson, they warn you that crimes get you arrested, but no one warns you that your genitals are a source of entertainment!
No one warns you that no matter how compliant, apologetic and forthcoming you are, if your not crying, it really makes them angry. It convinces them that your smug and getting away with something and they want to make sure your punished in other ways, and their good enough to explain this to you as they try various methods to make you cry. The last one worked as silent tears dripped on my school shoes while a crowd gathered for my search. I don't just lack respect, they terrify me, all people who can hold control over me terrify me, but the police are like a gang of thugs in a dark alley! I have hormone overproduction problems from genetic GAD, I lose all control if I get upset, so I try my best not to because panic attacks, narcolepsy and sleep paralysis isn't fun! But when I get in trouble, my lack of emotion always makes it worse!
Why are you wasting your time with those arseholes?
The pubs were taxed out of existence. It's where people met, talked and mixed. We were reduced to staying at home. Now we're being stopped from talking online. Chat rooms were banned and watch X be banned.
100% correct! 👍
Also I maintain that any pub on a Friday night , has more ideas and better suggestion on how to run this country, than any politician will ever have.....
Divide and conquer. That's what the Government want. They want to control what we say, and where and how we say it. They want us in a position where we cannot communicate. It's a typical communist strategy. That's taken from the Chinese playbook. It's what they do over there, limit social media. They will ban facebook, X and all of it next. Then they will likely make VPN illegal. All this in a democratic, free speaking nation? It's time to face facts that Labour are a communist party. Everything that they are doing screams communism. Limiting what we say online won't stop free speech. All it will do is take our platforms away. There will only be one way left then, before long, and that will be to take our arguments to the street, in open protest, in marches. That will, even of itself, result in chaos and anarchy. I think that's what Labour want. I think that they want Chaos and Anarchy on the streets.
Its no coincidence. If a pub goes bust in a poor Muslim area, it becomes a mosque or takeaway. If it goes bust in a poor wh*te area they get demolished. Why is that do you think?….
Plus the smoking ban, I’d actually given up smoking by then but I’d go to the pub and all the interesting people were stood outside in the cold and wet.
David had hit the nail on the head.
We are second class citizens in our own country.
You are so right. I am from Middlesbrough originally and each time I go home, more of it disappears. It is now unrecognizable and it breaks my heart. How dare they destroy my identity, my home. It is gone.
New market pub was my regular we willie Newcastle house old vic all gone now .has i have said many time's on here Mogadishu formally Middlesbrough
Linthorpe Road = Ethnic Avenue
I was born in South London they have done the same to London left 25 years ago!
My last visit to the UK was 2004, never again, Upton park, Ilford, Catford, the stomping grounds of my family, it was a horror to see.
M'Boro?
S h i t h o l e😂
"People have stopped talking to each other." I don't blame them. Every word you utter these days "offends" someone or risks losing you your job, getting mobbed or attacked. Why try to converse people who hate you and who you in return hate?
But you could choose a pub where that wasn't the case. In the old days.
Communism 101
@@jamesart6568 And the masses always fall for it, every time, and in whatever new form it takes.
8 quid a pint. 14 quid for fish and chips. Of course working class people are livid.
Cheap as chips is no longer relevant.
told to stay at home, you are not needed
That's just sad. I've always dreamed of someday visiting England, but it's not just airfare that's gone up, everything has.
19p for a pint of Adnams in 1977 at the students. A quid for 20 B&H
@@horserousI remember talking to my grandfather in 1977 about the price of a pint. He said that it had stayed proportional to the wage packet. Every evening after work me my father and grandfather would go for a single pint alongside my uncles and cousins. The Old Justice next to the Thames.
I was shocked too to hear Starmer say a standing army.I knew it was unlawful.Policing by non consent is not possible in our constitution.
UK does not have a constitution. If it did, citizens would actually have protections against the predatory politics of both Labour and the Conservatives. Don't expect politicians to propose a constitution either. They recognise it would greatly restrict their power. And that is the LAST thing they want.
In politics, nothing happens by chance. Things that happen are planned in advance.
Yes. You do that. Make a martyr out of an eloquent man.
Well said, Dr Starkey, you’re absolutely correct. You speak for the working classes more than the Labour traitors ever have.
Indeed
That's because it's his own background. He was brought up in almost poverty - don't let his accent make you think he came from a 'posh' background. He managed to get where he is because of grammar school, which helped so many poor people like him make something of their lives - something labour abhor.
@@catwoman7462and then the grammar schools and grants to colleges and universities were abolished. 😡
@@missmuffet3874 Grammar schools helped people in poverty but with a brain to have a better future than they'd get otherwise. Labour decided they didn't want people to be streamed on merit into schools, so the comprehensive system was introduced which levelled people down to the same level, and stopped social mobility.
Barely anyone went to university until Blair decided half of all school leavers should go. When only a tiny fraction went it was affordable to pay the brightest a grant to go to university to get a worthwhile degree, and to pay the fees. Most student loans aren't paid back, which means that there is essentially a student grant system still in place, so what are you complaining about? It's a much higher cost to the taxpayer these days, particularly with a huge number of quite frankly useless degrees on offer - but the universities need bums on seats.
When I was at school everyone was really impressed when a girl in the year above me got into university, it was that rare. Most people left school at 15 or 16 and started working. A handful stayed on to do A levels, and a small proportion of those people then went on to university.
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
I love Mr Starkey. I could listen to him all day. Behind his perfect RP you can recognise he’s a real Northerner with decent morals who truly loves his country. ❤
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
Aye, the wee pretendy academic!
@@Westyrulz Cumbrian I think (born in Kendal) to parents originally from Oldham in Lancashire. x
@@michaelbullen4146 A tad harsh I should think.
Yes, perhaps it was, but I prefer my acedemics politically neutral then I can make up my own mind, i don't need to be spoon fed someone else's prejudices.
Starkey , one of the great orators , speaking commonsense once again
The northern towns should have been made in to enterprise zones to encourage businesses to locate there.
The government couldn't care less.
They need their industry back, badly.
This closing of pubs seems to have started nr the end of Blair premiership, as I remember when there was a pattern that I noticed just in roughly a 2mile radius that not only the local pub got bulldozed but the hub of local communities, it was no surprise to me within a year the immigrants started pouring in, Blair didn't want a hub of locals who who gathered in number as he wanted to separate ppl so they didn't all rub their heads together to see what Blair an Labour were upto.
They introduced a performance tax . Which meant that you could only have 2 performers on stage or the landlord had to pay tax.
This killed off live music in my area. A lot of bars went to Karaoke then eventually closed & were pulled down to make way for housing.
Exactly
They knocked down perfectly good houses to do this too. Houses that had mostly W people (actual brits) and big communities. They also knocked down historic schools and other buildings that had a connection to the people there. Eventually people will want to survive, we are seeing the very beginning of the resistance.
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
@@DrMontague nonsense, everyone in charge today are marxist and socialist and they admit that, that's all western universities have been teaching for the past decade (or more since its embedded into all subjects), and their regime reflects everything seen in communist states. Jailing political opponents, censorship of truth, high inflation and prices, it doesn't matter what system you have when you have no border security it will only ever end up worse.
"Rotting teeth of buildings", M&S, BHS, etc have vacated the Midlands's towns...
Same in Sunderland city centre.A ghost TOWN.
We need to have a very serious discussion about segregation many of us do not feel safe in vibrant diverse Britain it’s a very dangerous hell hole……
But at least we aren't speaking German eh ?
Yes, we need to have asylum somewhere!
White indigenous people cause serious crime. Jimmy Savile was t a Muslim, nor was Thomas Hamilton (Dunblane school massacre 1996) or Hindley and Brady, who were of the far right wing .
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
@@DrMontague That's too much commonsense for far right ignoreamoses and far right wing Starkey.!
Its not for nothing that they made pubs the first victim of covid and the lockdowns, every local pub used to have its own resident bar room barrister who enlightened more insular customers, 40 years ago people would have observed the lockdowns from the safety of their local whilst riduculing the government.
Clearly lockdowns were a tester as to how much they could control the masses.
If I wasn't in my tap room by 7.30 pm Friday nights, I couldn't get on the Dominoe tables.
So I finished up drinking more.
I feel as if i'm being told " Shut up and pay for your own destruction" When all we want is our children and elderly safe and cared for, our property secure and protected, not a crime number for an insurance you may have or not should financial status differ. And consequences for ALL that break our laws. All of our meeting places have been closed down including the great youth club association growing up I was a member of 4, holidays and sporting activity for a very low price, now we have to fight child obesity and mental health with other forms of funding why?
Starkey has been the best and most insightful commentator by far on the riots.
we learned our social skills in pubs, made mates and much more. The vaccuum prevails.
Remove the glue, the structure collapses.
yeah, what are they trying to replace it with a Mosque ?. . .
And when you went to the scouts you carried a six inch Bowie knife and never thought it could be used to stab another person.
I can’t believe of how many pubs I’ve past in the last 5 years and their all boarded up.
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
yet mosques are doing well . .. . .
@@DrMontagueno, it's simple taxation, they made the public house untenable. The public house is a result of capitalism, we all can't have a parlour to entertain business partners or court suiters in, so the public house meets that communal need, the purchase of food and drink keep the doors open. Pubs are a result of capitalism, but they are also essential to communal organisation. they are after the ethnic english method of social organising, going to the pub. The pub wouldn't exist without capitalism, as making a crust selling things is pretty basic, you have beer and big house, I have no beer and a little house, you let me use your large house and in return I buy your beer. It's a simple trade.
@@DrMontagueyour war point is stupid, there will always be war, th communists were always at war, war is part of the human experience as a group selected species, so long as there are people, there will be war, as things aren't infinite, there's only so much to go around. Do you think somehow cos it's the current year humans are Gunna move past that? No way, the stronger tribe will always attack the weaker tribes for territory, we've been this way since before we were human. Get over it, nature is cruel, people will always fight as that's how we select out the weak links. We are animals, evolution didn't stop when we climbed down fromghe trees, our instincts are violent and selfish and clannish. That will never change. You believe people are fundamentally good, and you couldn't be more wrong, you were failed by your educators. My condolences.
We need to organise politically on the same line as Solidarność in Poland. In the early 1980s, Solidarność (Solidarity in English) gave rise to a broad, non-violent, anti-Communist social movement that, at its height, claimed some 9.4 million members. It is considered to have contributed greatly to the Fall of Communism. This is the way forward. In the meantime we must expose this regime abroad and urge our American friends to impose sanctions on the communist regime ruling Britain. Unfortunately, the UK has become a staunchly authoritarian state. Our institutions are politicised and in disarray, law and order a la carte and rules are only relevant when these serve the regime.
I remember our class at school praying for Poland in the Cornwall of the early '80s. Poland looking pretty good these days. Greets from Hungary.
Lech Walesa, the electrician that saved Poland.
Solidarity against Globalism
Its kind of scary so in 80' I was 1 of that Solidarność activ members and it seems like that was happening just"yesterday"..Im must be getting old😉👍@LeeGee
What a tremendous and extremely interesting comment.
Not every day one sees the Polish Solidarity movement evoked as a strategy in 21C Britain but it’s a brilliant remark.
Britain was great because of its manufacturing output. Working people worked. The goods were exported. We all got rich. This has gone!!!!
Spot on.
Blame fat cat businessmen/women and not migrants
The workers were treated like shit!The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
It started with Mrs Thatcher.
@@koala6016 Millions worshiped thatcher gave, her three election victories, they worshiped bojo gave him a landslide victory. Now they have voted in tory keir scammer. The working class have been flogged with a whips of their own choosing and they deserve what they get. Pubs closing doesn't bother me, the money I have saved by not going to them means I can go to live in benidorm for the winter. The right wing pensioners can freeze!
I drove through Grimsby last week and was really saddened by the state of many of its buildings.
Like you I wouldn't want to live in Grimsby and would take the dust opportunity to get out tbh. I am sure though that charitably you would have stayed.. ...
Not pubs: Working Men’s Clubs.
The terrible "joke" is the apparent link between working people and "Labour". Does that party REALLY think they represent working people ?
Which is why Liebour is a far more appropriate moniker.
Liberal entryists have destroyed the traditional working class element of the labour party.
Labour were subverted precisely *because* they represented working people. Not that the Tory Party hasn't been corrupted and distorted but Labour was clearly the big target. This isn't a natural process - it's the sabotage of British democracy from within.
Instead of spreading the billions of pounds out to the more deprived areas of the country they plan to spend it all on another crossing over the river Thames.
The millionaire’s vote for Labour to get investing in more PFI projects. Loads of fiscal returns for the rich.
David Starkey is a gem.
Love Starkey’s ring.
Despite slavery there are still so many DAMN BLACKS in America. No Dr Starkly Raving it's not going away. Own it. You meant it. You only apologised because you were found out.
Hundreds of. Villages, have lost, schools, pubs,shops and churches, since WWII, mainly because of a , complete change in the demographic of the people living in them, instead the houses or cottages housing the carpenter, blacksmith and teacher, even the smallest dwelling have been, taken over by the rich,,then priced , way beyond any normal pocket, the very HEART of this communities and most estates has vanished, alongside the community help once readily available….
The real problem is capitalism. Capitalism demands exploitation, wars and conflicts. we have poverty in a world of plenty, this it creates antagonisms. it turns working class people against each other, they blame other working class people for them having money problems. this can lead to the growth of fascist ideology within individuals and groups of working class people.
Without beer there is no cheer!
Beer is proof that God wants us to enjoy ourselves. Benjamin Franklin.
We working classes must organise ourselves selves in an intelligent focused way. We're capable. Its a matter of survival.
It already exists, it's called the Orange Lodge and they have chapters all across Britain. They have declined in recent years outside of NI but they are patriotic and already very well organised. Their members in NI, where they are significant enough, are used to influence politics as voting blocks and act as a hub for the community and they could be used in the same way on mainland Britain.
@@14Anon2 Do they accept Catholics? ( Like me)
The blame for the start of the riots began with the dishonesty of the Female chief Constable for Southport, she lied in an attempt to try and cover up the true identity of the the suspect, because she knew he was black and his parents were immigrants from Rwanda. she totally misled the public and was not honest and open. so it was obvious that people did speculate, because they were lied to. What did she expect i do hope she gets prison time for racial incitement.
The old Northern cabaret clubs, used to be great and many really good entertainers played them.
And look at the "creative talent" - I say that broadly- we have nowadays.
same reason they shut down Grammar schools...working class were cleverer than the posho's . . . .
Brilliant analysis from David Starkey.
Atomisation and Alienation with the working class suffering the consequences of social breakdown.
I was harassed out of my home....1980. My brother harassed out of his school in 1983.....
I think community means self policing (narks and grasses) . So looking to the future if your 15 minute "community" behaves you will be left alone if not then you will all suffer . Like when the teacher would hold the whole class back until we grassed on whoever had done the bad thing . We are living in very very dangerous times .
15 minute city tower blocks, with Islam controlling the lower floors, sharia police on each floor, good luck in the future.
I awoke ftom a slumber..,enchanted by the fairy ring, to a land where i did not recognise anything,a land full of strangers , speaking languges i did not understand and ,i cried oh what has happened to old angleland..!..i turned back to where i had slept for centuries past ,under the old yew tree,and i begged the fairys ,take pity on me ,and through my tears the fairy king did appear as a bumble bee, and said i will administer the sting of compassion,so that you might be free,and as he pierced my flesh with his magical lance ,i fell into a wonderous trance ....now i am back where i belong ,in old england ,where the trees and people grow straight and strong,where we dance upon the village green,sing songs of saint george ,king arthur snd Jack oh the green ..!😅
A lost world our once beautiful green and pleasant land
Hilaire Belloc:
‘Change your hearts or you will lose your inns and you will deserve to have lost them. But when you have lost your Inns drown your empty selves, for you will have lost the last of England.’
This country is on a knife edge, i can seeing it exploding soon, when the working class wake up lord help them.
I used to love pubs - especially the Angel in Wisbech.
I absolutely love listening to you David . 👏
Yet some working class still vote labour, .....derranged.
Online retail combined with high rents has got a lot to do with there being so many struggling or empty shops. Parliament collectively showed how little they cared for small businesses during the lockdowns. These were the type of people who really made Britain as Bonaparte put it:
"A Nation of Shopkeepers".
The smoking ban under Blair hit the drinks trade hard. Some of the drop off from pubs is also down to drugs replacing alcohol as their recreational habit of choice. Drugs and dealers are thriving in this so called Cost of Living Crisis. When I stopped going out over 20 years ago there were dealers inside the doorways of some pubs. At the same time big pharma is also doing rather well.
The main part of that crisis is an ongoing transfer of wealth so I am sure drugs will gradually be fully legalised for purposes of taxation by which point there won't be an NHS to shoulder the burden of an accompanying public health crisis. Less people who would still like to cannot afford to go out for a drink due to reduction in number of hours further lowering their real time wage. Universal Credit is partly to blame for the latter punishing people for working too much. And then the DWP come out with their annual 'getting long term unemployed people back to work' policy rebrand. You really couldn't make all this up but the politicians have at least manipulated it.
They told us the ree ssettt was a conspiracy theory or misinformtion then Starmer casually threw it into his maiden speech. It is the blatancy of it all in plain sight which gets under the skin.
Politicians have interfered with the running of the police and compromised the impartiality of the force with one stupid new law after another. Unfortunately it is the police whom the public come into contact with and largely blame. Taking officers off the beat due to sensitivities drove a wedge and now look at the friction in multicultural Britain. Politicians and lawyers (double whammy if your name is Starmer) are safe in their little bubbles, they don't have to care how it affects the rest of us.
Oh and then there is the media with its identitarian project of soundbytes and labels that have created a minefield for anybody wanting to debate anything.
Bingo👍
Yes, soundbites and labels like "immigrant", "community", "working class", "northern cities" etc
yes the Indians took our shops . . .
Spot on.
Many working class areas have been culturally changed, for the worse!
A pub I visited the other day wanted £4.50 for a small glass of sparkling water. Wtf!
You can be sure the HoC subsidised bar will never close.
UK...Time for Restoration...
can the loudmouth presenter keep in mind that its Starkey we want to listen to not to the presenters smark ass interjections. Otherwise great and honest interview
Especially hilarious towards the end when Blondie asked a question, then attributed that question to starmer and then answered it himself 😆😂 you couldn't make it up!
Will we see the rise of 'Community Guardians': To protect Our women & Kids? Will groups of men realise the danger to their community of strangers being planted into areas up and down the country. If the police are not interested in safeguarding every community but only some communities, stranger danger does not go away.
In a parallel universe our counterparts elected Steer Calmer, and everyone lived happily ever after.
According to statistics, One in 27 people have arrived here in the last 2 years, just think about that & the massive explosion in population
How come there are NO comments about the style of this presentation? To me, the "commentators" seem self-possessed. and bloody rude throughout the whole clip. All of commentary is highly informative, Thank you. but David Starkey warrants much better manners.
Brilliant man, we should listen to him more and learn more. Thing is government will close him down. 🇬🇧
When was the last time you ever seen a policeman walking down your street ? Never ……
England Awake
Add to this, the smoking ban in pubs and the high price of cigarettes. Successive governments are totally and utterly clueless.
@davidstarkeytalks is one of our time's great thinkers... and there are lamentably few of them.
Not just ' up North ' . I will offer the towns of Dagenham and Barking in East London , wherein industry has been all but completely destroyed along the once most productive industrial region in the UK by successive Labour governance and MPs to become dormitory Boroughs for migrants , single mothers and a hot bed of drill gangs plying their trades .The last election saw a cry for help in the huge turnout of voters for reform and Reform UK who came 2nd in both these constituencies
Looking 4 ward 2 seeing U all the time even love your back catalog
Keep on working. Don't slow down
You make my day!💙🇬🇧💙🇬🇧💙
The Midlands & Northern England have been used as the dumping ground for "uninvited guests" , limited job opportunities ?, what could possibly go wrong .🧐
I live in Surrey. The North of England is a different country and I love it ❤
I always take note of David Starkey
People lived in streets where everybody knew each other, and looked out for everyone else.
My grandfather used to work in a tobacconist, and in the early 1950's cigarette companies asked for and got a lower price to sell them at.
My grandfather said "Supermarkets will be the death of small shops". Ten years later in the early 1960's the tobacconist's he worked at closed. The Supermarkets did the same to the pubs, selling cheap beer and spirits, so, people either don't go out and drink more on their own. Or in small groups (which leads to other illnesses) and become a burden to the NHS. Either that or they get 'pre-loaded' (drunk as a scunk) at home and go out buy one drink in a pub and start a fight...
I would make the price alcohol more expensive in Supermarks and off-licences than in pubs...
the proper pubs are gone .. .just corporate franchise pubs left .....
I don't think the working class are sat at home on twitter using hard drugs..
I think that's more the middle classes..
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@@missmuffet3874 You know....
Clubs and societies fell apart with political correctness, but it was founded in health and safety legislation. Pubs died with the smoking ban for example. The legal system has systematically restricted people into a state of sheepishness. If they could regulate friendship, they would. At each stage we have said, "they'll never do that", and at each stage they did it. They won't be happy until you're born into a coffin and they can harvest your thoughts, whilst you try to live there.
The Orange Lodge is just about still alive in Scotland and England and could be used to rebuild those communities. They are still thriving in NI.
David Starkey is needed more than ever in these times.
Closure of pubs increase in prices prevents MEN from gathering to discuss their communities and concerns
So the revolution will start at closing time in Wetherspoons?
The four Yorkshire men sketch. We were happy when we had nothing!
Could we get a talk from David on how the Nazis operated or the Soviet Union . I have seen how England has changed from you getting into trouble to you doing things that are not "socially acceptable" smoking , drink driving , speeding , speech while all the time I see people living in squalor and rubbish up to their ankles ? But don't worry no body speeds anymore ??
Imagine interrupting David Starkey like that at the end.
Fundamentally, people need a social outlet. Historically that was met by the community and as such people felt a great connection to the people in their villages, town and cities. Now, our social lives are led virtually, without the need for a local community. So people feel that they are being fulfilled socially, and maybe they are, but a consequence of this is that our local communities feel anaemic and heartless.
Well said David
The powerful have never liked pubs.
People talk in pubs.
Far better, for the powerful, that people sit at home watching TV programs supporting Government favoured orthodoxies, and propaganda.
The BBC opposed BREXIT.
Make it prohibitively expensive to go to the pub in the manner of our forefathers, and simultaneously much cheaper to sit in front of the propaganda machine in the corner.
It's A Plan alright!
People put the world to rights in their Local pub.
100% agree as I was there.
Starmer’s father certainly was a tool maker.
Great discussion, chaps! You nailed my concerns exactly and succinctly.
Thanks for speaking TRUTH to power.
Starmer is a dangerous man, even the mention of involving the army means he ignores Peterloo and other reasons a civilian police force was formed. David you are right, Oldham and places like Ashton-under-Lyne where I grew up were not perfect but had far more for people to do than now.
Anywhere the working class can gather and chat is being squeezed out of existence. It's all by design.
The Orange Lodge still exists around Britain, most notably in NI but in Scotland, Wales and England too.
Starmer needs to take a walking tour of Sunderland city centre with Phillipson and see the decline of a once proud 'Town'.
Truly SHOCKING
For the older generation the post office was the heart of the community & the village shop...all gone
I used to drink every night in the 'Fox & Hounds' or 'Houston Inn' in Houston. The wankerish stuff that seems so important today was never discussed.
Labour used to win the working class vote. Like most Socialist/Progressive parties in the West, they don't any more. It's not hard to understand why.
Imagine yourself as a poor White British lad. Your entire life you've barely scrapped by. Record high inflation & housing prices hit you hard. Life is a struggle. You turn to Labour, the self-proclaimed "Party of the Working Class." They tell you that you have inherent privilege from your skin colour. Like wow, it would've been nice to feel that privilege during any of your long shifts. Labour then demonise your country and its history, seem to prioritise foreigners over you, and generally show nothing but disdain toward every concern you have.
Labour is no longer the party of the working class. It is the party of immigrants, students & academics, and the rich who have delusions of grandeur. The same thing has happened in France to the Socialist party, in the USA to the Democratic Party, ect...
its the immigrant vote now ..
You only have to go through Sunderland station to know what they have done to Sunderland and Middlesbrough town centre is quite pitiful now.
The British government hss done nothing to prevent this but provoke it then dare the public to do anything about it. So what is their goal and why?
The working class need to form a standing army. that will give Starmer something to whine about.
Great Britain has an excellent education system , excellent wages , excellent health care , and an overall great economy and standard of living . It’s citizens should welcome young and middle aged immigrants to revitalize and expand the economy .
Independent and Insular trends could be divisive without people recognising the fact that freedom comes with responsibility and a price if that is ignored. Thatcher did plant the seeds of everyone for themselves and division ensued. Politicians can be very dangerous people.
churchill wa s fan of the british pub
Great points made
How long before they open the Tower of London guests. History repeating itself.
Those last minutes were excellent David, i should have liked to hears you go further. Sadly these 10min programmes dont do you justice. I will forming a letter to my MP around the issues you raise regarding policing.
Two tier country as well
Hang on? They blame Thatcher in the same breath as criticising the unions and rotten industry. Thatcher was a basic family values conservative who took on the unions and that rotten industry.
They weren't criticising unions or industry, they were saying how important these things were to the working class communities that needed them. A lot of these communities have never recovered from Thatcher and her misguided policies.
She didn't just merely take the unions on, she changed the laws which opened up British assets on the global market and they were subsequently bought up and shipped off. She also oversaw many of the first modern speech laws, which have led to what we have today.
i live in sunderland we were a great city in the past now we we only have mostly turkish barbers ans nail spas...all of the great shops has gone now sadly..oh and the pubs/night clubs
Shop business rates should be scrapped and profits taxed instead .
Levelling up was just a buzz word.
And this is why I hate television.
TELIEVISION IS SOCIAL ENGINEERING PROGRAMMING THE MASSES TO THINK A CERTAIN WAY ITS A DISTRACTION WITH AN AGENDA
Why did it come to an end? The protocols of the learned elders of Zion. 2:57
There is no such thing as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", fool - it was Soviet propaganda. Any other anti-Semitic theories that you'd like to get off your chest? Maybe that reliable old medieval chestnut about making bread with the blood of Christian children? or the Arabs claiming that the reason the Israelis created a thriving agricultural industry is that "The Jews steal the clouds!"?