Are Unions Destroying Jobs & The Economy?
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2023
- In this episode, Patrick Bet-David questions whether or not unions are bad for America, unveiling their history as well as pros and cons.
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I'm in a union, it has its pluses and minuses. The biggest minus is that if you get a lazy/a-hole employee it could be almost impossible to fire them especially if they're part of a protected group. I've worked with a number of women who basically figure out how things work, and then finds ways to exploit the policies so that they do as little as possible or take as much time off as possible while still getting paid.
I have seen what you're talking about at Coca Cola warehouses. Coke San Diego has kept me waiting up to 7 hours to unload, honest to GOD! Pepsi treat truck drivers better. Even the Security guards know how bad truckers are treated at receiving. Also if you check in a minute late to load up in Fresno Pepsi they treat you like garbage and take 3+ hours to load you.
The problem with this is it also reduces the companies productivity, which means the company can’t pay you as much money or give as much raises.
At Atco Electric clerks would talk for hours about their kids and family life. Their were making 30 to 45 an hour just to talk and drink coffee. When lay offs hit my position was deemed unnecessary...unbelievable
They keep alluding to voting in a union at my work place (airlines) I am leaning away from having it come in. I feel like I'd lose more then union would give
Being in a Union you still can get fired! A little harder but can happen.
I was a correctional nurse in California during covid...all state employees received a 10% pay cut even though we were "essential workers". The union didn't do amything to protect us and they charged us 1200 a year for their fees.
Arnold Schearzzenneger destroyed the Nurses Union.
you guys should have all quit same day and refused to return until you get a 10% raise above what you were making
@@jaimegrayson2996not legally allowed to do that if you’re a nurse in a lot of states, even if you’re in a union.
@@lancebasss3959 there is power in numbers, people aren't legally allowed to do a lot of things, but they still do them. Stand up for yourself or get pooped on and if you fail, well atleast you tried
Unions are a mafia. Get out
I'm an auto worker. The company closed my plant. The union arranged a transfer to another factory in the company. Without the union I wouldn't have a job. I realize the faults of unions but the corporation just destroyed an entire town so it feels like a lesser of two evils situation.
Neat story. Interesting profile photo choice. 😏
Exactly, this is another " bad apples" ideology. Not all Unions where started by the Mafia 😂 not all Unions are bad its the leaders that change the organization from within. Unions work for industries that where not concerned about the actual human.
Without the union your plant wouldn't have closed because it was unprofitable.
@adambilge2834 companies outsource jobs to boost profits, they close down American factories and lay off workers that are more expensive compared to Asian markets. Hope your Chinese is good cause you’re new favorite food is about to be kung pao chicken
@adambilge2834 the narrative is that price of labor is the most significant factor in vehicle cost, profitability of individual factories, overall fiscal health of the company. This is false. Is there any field of manufacturing that does not enjoy cheaper to produce in another country vs USA? My plant won numerous awards for quality, best attendance company wide, JD power etc... I worked there 17 years, perfect attendance last 4 years. Our product moved to Mexico just like our last 2 products
This video came at the most convenient time! I am requesting a breakdown of where my dues are being spent since I have been unknowingly funding political agendas that I do NOT support. And little did, I know I was finding a political party that put me out of work during the vax mandates. Wow. I LOVED being a part of a union about 10 years ago. The union I’m a part of now is a joke with no protection and job security. Which means everything to me. Without security, you have nothing.
Pretty sure your union has always been funding politicians
I'm in teamsters dues are not spent on political donations. They go out with a form and ask people to sign up for that donation voluntarily. $1 per week is what I give
If businesses and corporations did what God instructed them to then we wouldn't need unions. JAMES 5 🔥💰🔥
I get that. I've had plenty issues with the unions I've belonged to.
You must be from the generation of baby boomers or generation x. We live in the information era now and we are quite literally surrounded by abundance. Job security is not needed to make money these days. I can literally walk over to my computer and make money off of it. People need to start picking up books. Learning will make you money, praying to God will keep you broke. People rely on one job to make money and that's a problem. Unless that one source of income pays you significantly, you need to start setting up more income revenues. Realistically you should be doing that regardless of who you are. And you shouldn't be having families until you have your financial future set up. I don't know about you but I can do anything I put my mind to. I don't need another man to make money. I just rely on myself.
Unions do exactly what big business executives do. Both can be corrupt, both can be good, both get over paid, both are into politics, both collectively bargain.
The funny thing is, it is company management that negotiates the pay and benefits contract with the union. So if the company management like the one at Yellow cannot manage the company in a profitable manner, it wont matter if they are union or not.
I'd rather risk the workers getting overpayed than the executives
Yep. Your job in a Union is only as good as your local.
Exactly
If you support workers coming together to fix prices but are against owners coming together to fix prices you're a hypocrite.
One thing you forgot to mention is why unions were created in the first place. If companies were playing by the rules and was fair there would be no need for unions. I’m always for checks and balances.
The only smart perspective. Unions should be employed on a need basis and then disappear when they're not needed anymore.
Unionization was mainly due to no existing labor laws. If you look who unionized it was the blue collar workers who had dangerous jobs and could be laid off without a notice. Today state labor laws took on that role with huge fines and companies being open to major law suits for violating those laws. In my opinion it is an pit dated thing.
@@ilyagolovey5248 Yet union workers are still the highest paid within their respective profession with better job security. I’m not saying the union is perfect by any stretch of the imagination but in my opinion it’s the better bet for employees. Look how many tech workers were laid off without notice over the last few years? Some of those companies didn’t even have the decency to tell the employees face to face. They woke up ready to work and noticed their access was blocked. Some even found out they lost their jobs from the news.
@@ilyagolovey5248 You guys forget that wages, which are already at their lowest ever in the U.S., go down without unions (and conversely tend to go up when there are unions).
JAMES 5 🔥💰🔥
I’m a union member and my work gets done. I’m getting paid good and have great benefits
I am typing this on my 2.5 hours break though 🤣
If I ever need a crossword puzzle solved I’ll hire a union worker .
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Don't forget micro breaks😂,
Well very soon, the company will aquire robots that need no rest.
Patrick, is just upset that he was exposed as running a sleazy MLM insurance company where 95% of the licensed sales agents make less than a minimum wage worker making $7.25hr, while he leached off them!
Notice how he didn't say cops feel they have a "limiting capacity and that's why they join unions.
Greedy corpurate / buisnesses create them. Pay your fellow men/women fair wages and there would never be a need for them. Period.
How dare you talk about greed!! We must worship companies lol it’s the Murican way! If it wasn’t for greedy/shady business owners how would corrupt politicians exist!
@@Finn_MacCool haha exactly. I love how only corporations can be greedy but never the workers who work for said company. These people are a bunch of complainers lol
@@Finn_MacCool hey look it’s a bootlicker!
@@Will-jg2zs you sound like the typical boot licking cuck that is super loyal to your company and then they lay you off and you’re like,”but but but but I looooved you guys” and they just say, “sorry bud” lol
@@Finn_MacCool that’s something a flaming homosexual would say lol
When the rich work together it's called networking. When the poor work together it's called a union.
Never looked at it like that. Great way to put it.
Replace networking with cartel lol
Unions are organized criminal enterprises that destroy businesses and industries.
@@ICDeadPeeps true
Replace poor people working with fascism. Government contracted, backed Union project. Your future depends on your vote
Could not disagree more, america is 90% non union because corps and companies push them out and or have them sign an agreement not to start a union..
Same thing i thought when i heard him say that. How can you have a 70%+ approval rating yet only have 10% actually unionized. Reminds me of the time when i was like 19 and i applied to BJ’s to work as a cashier and they had a whole orientation as to why “we don’t agree with unions and don’t believe they are in our best interests” and them proceeded to lecture us on how they were bad and basically said we’e get fired if a union rep came in to organize and we signed their book and even made us sign an agreement not to lmao. Then you had Costco next door in a different town unionized and the workers there stayed for years making better pay and benefits, meanwhile you’d see the BJs workers constantly cycling theough workers.
I think all employees should have the ability to Collective Bargain.
Yeah but not all employees are worth the same. If you mate takes a boozy sick leave break every pay day, he shouldn't progress within the company at the same speed as you for example.
@@vanessac1721crabs in a barrel is not the answer
Individual bargaining you mean. In which I agree. Collective would imply a group. And I got plenty of coworkers I wouldn't negotiate with or for
@@LightWalker315ur 1 person and not as important or skilled as u think
Unions are for the weak who can't make it in the real world
Unions are a delicate balance because they can be easily corrupted by power. Especially public sector unions.
No balance. Union structure doesn’t allow for companies and employees to maximize their potential. Everything is seniority based, not merit based. As long as they’re structured this was. They will continue to foster poor behaviors, support bottom performers and restrict the growth and earning potential from top performers. It’s just basic math.
@@Your_mom736 Your mom is in a union.
@@Finn_MacCool she was until they laid her off because they have no clue on how business works. Working off a model that extracts and colludes.
The thing is Union are not very good at dealing with personal issues such as bullying, harassment or discrimination from fellow employees. For example if you are in a union member and you are been bullied and harassed by a fellow worker who is also in a union (as may be his pals) the union has a conflict of interest. @@Your_mom736
@@Your_mom736 Companies only seek to maximize profits for the bosses that's how capitalism works paying those who own the company for being the owners. The owners do nothing but accumulate profits that are created by the production workers. Only when they invest in expanding production can the workers make gains. However expanding production always results in the tendency to overproduce for markets that can not absorb all that cam be produced at a profit resulting in investment into fictitious capital driving up the speculative value until it collapse producing an economic crisis.
I’m in a union and the people who are in it are the least productive people I’ve seen.. no incentive to be more productive when everyone makes the same wage .. It destroys a business.. also the workers lose all respect for management
Amen
They don’t lose “respect for management”, they lose “fear of management”.
If they weren't productive they'd be fired and company would go under.
You're lying.
Statistics show union vs non union wages. Union is higher
And Statistics show that worker productivity has far exceeded the workers wages. So workers underpaid.
You're feelings don't supercede factual Statistics
In short, it's a strain of Bolshevism...
Unions, as a part of their negotiations, must have performance requirements. Otherwise, they kill their employer. Think UPS. The company is profitable, the couriers get paid 100k, and the union is tight as hell on their requirements.
Patrick I like your show and I agree with you on many things. But I worked non union installing rebar on construction sites making $13.00 an hour no benefits. I joined the ironworkers union and immediately got a $3.00 an hour raise and health insurance for my family and have worked my way up to journeyman ironworker and an a foreman on most jobs I go to. Being in a union has been a net positive for my family. Not all unions are bad and it seems as if you’re trying to paint union members in a negative light. I’m not a bad person and I’m not lazy.
You’re only making $13/hr as an iron worker??? Holy shit bro come to Kentucky or Indiana & make triple that or more
Yeah this is where I disagree with Patrick.
@@baileymaloney1961 That was 2009. That’s the year I got in ironworkers apprenticeship local 10 Kansas City and got a substantial raise even though I started out as a %50 of journeyman scale apprentice.
💯 unions are the only way the check these greedy pigs. Pat painting these as bad is so gross.
@@mavymcmicahmillermost unions are the greedy pigs themselves
I’m a union electrician. I work my ass off. Don’t care if others around me take advantage of union rules. I do my own thing and damn proud of it. I pay my bills, my family is taken care of with benefits. I know the downsides of union. I could quit and work non-union. But I stay because it pays better, benefits are way better, at least a retirement plan not 401k for what ever that’s worth. Our training program is VERY high tech. The non union version of school is a rented college classroom. The union has specific built training rooms for all the high tech training. As a dues paying master electrician, I can take any class they offer to brush up on old skills, or when new advanced classes are offered I can take those to keep myself marketable in any field. Todays power, lighting, motor controls programmable logic, heat and air conditioning are all run by computers. We also install fiber optics, and all the backbone wiring to run those computers. It’s not yesterday’s wiring simple switches.
You're a man of principles and that's honorable.
Yeah I like Patrick and I agree with alot of what he has to say. But he's definitely out of touch with reality with alot of this union misinformation.
It has done more good then bad. Yes you have your bad apples but for the most part people that are part of it are paid well, with benefits. And benefits or 401k plans are unheard of in non union no matter how hard you work.
Thanku for your participation in Americas tax base
You union sparkies make so much money
Puts any degree to shame off the bat
@@jimsummers487can’t say the same for those who are the %1
They’d want us to own nothing and work for mere Pennie’s. Even a greater reason to be in a union.
Only a small percentage of jobs in the US are still unionized. It was a much larger percentage of the workforce back in the day. Despite all the flaws of unions, it was still the only real way to give working class employees a fighting chance in negotiating wages and benefits. The dwindling of the unions along with outsourcing is part of the reason working class people barely earn a living wage these days.
Pat deserves a good smack for saying all unions members want entitlements a d they see themselves as "limited in capacity"
The nonsense he spews after he was exposed for running a sleazy MLM insurance company where 95% of the licensed sales agents make less than a minimum wage worker making $7.25hr while he leached off them!
The average UPS worker does not make $49. The highest rate if the tentative agreement is $49. The minimum wage at UPS is currently $16 for parttime workworkers. Part time workers make up 60% of UPS employees.
They gonna be 21 now. Ups definitely has messed up tier system. 3 different classifications as drivers. Scheduling people 3 hrs a day 6 days. Nonsense that needed to be reigned in
No, part of the Union win was that part time workers now make 21/hr with full time positions being up to 49/hr
that's now 21$ with the new contract, look it up.
I don’t believe that’s true bro. Read the terms of the new deal.
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lp I know they are raising it to 21 if union members pass the tentative agreement. Although a cap of $27 for the next 5 years for newer part time employees
As a TSA employee being in the 777 union is essential. When working with the public the odds of being caught up in some bullshit harassment case is very high. Unions provide job security, fair wages and raises, fair bonuses and if you land yourself in the HR office they’ll speak for you so you don’t have to.
for how terrible TSA is at just about everything (including the reason you were created - to stop weapons getting onto planes), y'all need the job security alright.... the amount of times I've seen disinterested TSA agents, it's no wonder everyone dislikes your profession
Trump had a huge impact on TSA success
@@OrenPanitch Well sir, it’s important to remember not all airports and officers are the same! Also, TSA was not created to prevent just weapons from getting onto planes.
You shouldn’t see a few bad apples and instantly include everyone as one. Humans have a tendency to do this with everything like the CIA, FBI, repo men, Police, Politicians and Doctors. You don’t see Tim, Lisa and Kelly as individuals. You see them as TSA.
We have a very important job and although the screening process may feel like an inconvenience to you, just know your flight is a lot safer with these extra precautions in place. Sometimes someone who appears to be unmotivated is actually just being observant.
The DMV serves the purpose of making sure drivers on the road have a baseline knowledge of rules, safe operating procedures, and have insurance to cover damages they may cause but not be able to afford to fix.
They still suck to work with.
@@magillicutyify I don't work at the DMV but have been there many times. The people that come in there unprepared with their paperwork and give them attitude would cause anyone to do the bare minimum. People need to treat others better and stop thinking they are always right. It isn't that hard to go online and figure out what you need to fill out before you get to the DMV.
I've never been apart of a union and the only trust I've ever had in a boss was trust that they'll do whats best for them and no one else...
😂😂😂😂😂
Same for unions
JAMES 5 🔥💰🔥
I have been in the union for over 20 years and they were absolutely great and absolutely horrible all the same time
It’s always entitled workers and never entitled bosses lol
Yes, it is.
@@vertpreston8612 There are crooked employers, but no entitled ones. Unless you're equating feeling entitled to being crooked. Only workers feel entitled.
@@Finn_MacCool What a laughably ignorant comment.
@@hamzanocap Nope. It's a serious, factual and well-reasoned statement.
@@Finn_MacCoolan employer can be "entitled" if they expect people to work for crap wages, be super productive, and kiss their butt at the same time.
Union or not, there's probably going to be very high turnover
The biggest issue I have is with having Unions for Government employees ..Federal, State & Local...
I could go on for hours on this topic..
Agreed. I’m a union but am staunchly against public employees being unionized. No one should get to “negotiate” with tax dollars.
@@cl20v87the rich do it every day brother
@@cl20v87 I am encouraged that you agree... Now, if all Government entities had to have some of their available hours during time frames that allow a working person to use their services, that would be great !
Yep! There's a reason why public sector employees are seen as lazy, and freeloaders
@@cl20v87 Public sector unions don't negotiate. They intimidate, cajole and bribe politicians. Let us have our way or you will lose your job. As a result, unions get their way and tax payer suffer.
I think skilled trades unions operate differently. It's definitely not for lazy people. Companies can still fire you on a dime if you're not doing the work. Most training is mandatory and you typically have to complete an apprenticeship before you can even join, which could take a few years. The pay and benefits are unmatched compared to non-union.
This guy is a schmuck!
He saying police officers see themselves as "limited in capacity and that's why they join unions" .
He must be trolling.
There are still many lazy ppl who work in skilled trade unions. Tenure and who you know is more important then hard work and the skill it's self.
@@slime419the only way lazy people get by in the construction unions is because we are short staffed…
Once work slows down that’s when the hard workers will prevail.
I’m in a skilled trade union, they still follow a similar structure to other unions, and you can still get in the union even as an apprentice. However, sometimes I still have seen bed employees even in skilled trade unions and that’s because of the same type of structure it shares with all other unions. The system that is designed to protect the good people sometimes ends up protecting really bad people too. But the contractors won’t fire you necessarily, you’ll just get laid off sooner
skilled trade unions isn't for lazy people? Hahahahahhaahahaha I work for EATON aerospace and the skilled tradesman there are the laziest employees at the assembler.
Government officials and employees should not be allowed to belong to a union, they Don't rely on open market success for their jobs, and should get no protections
Full time driver here at UPS - just wanted to add that the proposed contract is that in 5 years (2028) the average would be $49. They will give us $2.75 now then small raises that will ramp up every year so next year we will probably get $0.50 ect. The contract is still under vote so it’s not set in stone. I’m not 100% pro union but we definitely wouldn’t have the benefits that we currently have without the teamsters.
I'm 100% pro union. You foos were getting scheduled 3hrs 6 days in vegas warehouse. You'd be getting buht phuq'd without the union.
Some leadership is bad like the last guy that forced the last contract.
Some locals are bad like 542 in san diego. Horrible local corrupt.
But corrupt and sold out to the COMPANY.
20 years in here… Thank god somebody said it. This is the second video he’s used that information incorrectly. If he can’t even get such an easy piece of the puzzle right how much should we really be listening.
I'm sorry 49$ to move boxes? Let me ask you this, how much do you invest in training and tools to make the 49$? No not saying your job isn't important but let's say you are automotive technician where you can easily spend 30k in training and just as much in tools, with the need to buy newer every so often because advancing technology? If you feel as though you deserve 50 then a tech should get double or triple that. What i hope is that money is given because of inflation or the ceos are taking less money. Unions have had their place, now they should be a smaller player or not at all. I've been in the union for 25 yrs. Used them once to try to pay less in child support and ended up leaving paying double a month( thank you union lawyer)!
@@otfig896then thoes auto techs should unionize and demand better wages, dont be mad because someone else fought for better pay
@@otfig896 that’s a fair point about being an automotive tech but being a UPS driver is much more than just moving boxes. You’re expected to be out there driving in any condition including snow storms -30°F up to 110°F where it can reach 140°F in the back of the truck. I don’t see my family basically at all during Christmas. Im constantly on the lookout for aggressive dogs and it definitely isn’t fun being bit by a dog. The 5 years I’ve been driving I’ve been attacked probably 10 times. I could keep going but it definitely is a lot more than Just moving a box. We are timed down to the millisecond and are held to strict guidelines. If we get into an accident our fault or not we lose our job and have to go fight for it in union court.
Pat is quite good at conflating and distorting information.
No you’re just brainwashed
Proud union firefighter in Baltimore. So many strides made because of unions. Unfortunately union protection has made it very difficult to get rid of the poor workers. Grateful for what they’ve helped us get, regretful that they’ve helped keep poor workers and invited corruption with some of my past leaders.
Unions are a cancer. They've hollowed out American towns and have destroyed everything they've touched. Unions are not for the workers. They, like the corporation, are in it for themselves. They don't create profit but suck profits from the productive. Unions are made up of people who run unions. They aren't made up of teachers and workers.
You do get the odd lazy/bad workmate. But it also drives the good workers together. They all dont want to be the lazy ass. So they help each other out and look out for one another.
The lazy one never gets this treatment from his fellow workers.
Some of them don't care.
But because everyone helps everyone else, the job usually becomes easier
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This man is gas lighting y’all right in to poverty 😂😂😂
ALOT OF YOUR Union brothers" are your worst enemies..the Union tries to brainwash guys and I fell for it my first 10 yrs. Once you question their authority or intentions then you become an issue...the men sell their coworkers out to keep a job..the number of stand up guys decreased the older I got...some guys sell their soul to become a steady...it's become a rat ship .. I would never want to be a suck pump or throw a guy under the bus to keep a job...thank God for open solicitation.. when I retired i realized...maybe 3 true friends..TRUE..its ALOT of fake friendships....now if you back Trump.... your... "BROTHERS" attack you like Facebook tough guys a) trying to get browny points with agents..( agents by the way are more concerned with their relationships with the co'S. who hire then the men)....that union leader today on Fox who backed Trump is a stand up guy
No, the channel is for people with ambition and entrepreneurial spirit. Not people who want to live off a union
I find it funny a guy who makes a lot of money shames UPS for getting more money in their agreement with Teamsters, maybe he should do the work and see how he likes it.
Never seen an overweight FedEx, Sysco, UPS driver💪
Why did Pat only deep explain the cons but skips over All THE PROS of a union 😂. I know what he’s doing
He didn't deep explain anything he's ignorant brown shill.
His own industry , now as part owner of the Yankees, is unionized....
He really what he is doing. He knows that unions helps workers more then it hurts workers….
If the owners and managers of companies treated their employees fair, these unions wouldn't have become a thing in the first place.
I'm in the UK, every Amazon driver who I've spoken to says the same thing, poorly treated, insane work load, hence why most don't stay long. I wonder if they even have a union to join?
No one forces you to work there, you don’t like the treatment you go elsewhere. The market will always dictate itself. And this is coming from a 30 year union member
@@livinglife1089 Trouble is, that elsewhere treats you like crap too.
You know Pat we live in a world of duality. Labor vs Capital which one is better? Both when they’re in balance. Balance is what is important.
Pat only cares aabout capital, he thinks having health insurance for workers is a luxury and they should be thankful for the scraps
@@DHEspana no he doesn't. He seems pretty fair but expects good and hard work for his employees. Everything is a balance. Although I agree with unions, they should not be pushing politics
Just joined, and it's the best thing my division has done in 8 years.
then you are part of the problem lol
I was in two different unions and the entitlement demand was over the top. Some unions have outgrown their purpose... plenty of union workers who do NOTHING because they know it's hard to fire them.
@@Sheepdog1314it's not hard to fire you. There is a book called a contract with set rules and regulations and disciplinary action laid out. Yes you can't fire an informed worker that hurts ur ego. Boo hoo for you
I was in two different unions and the entitlement demand was over the top. Some unions have outgrown their purpose... plenty of union workers who do NOTHING because they know it's hard to fire them.
Another current union member here.
NOTHING is a understatement they couldn’t be trusted to take out the GARBAGE.
I agree but you need to have a balance of power.
Especially since we clearly are back in a day of massive monopolies and disparity in money and power.
@@cliffsauer9111 The balance of power is in number. You don't need a managerial union and a legal status to act as an union.
Go work somewhere else if you feel underpaid or exploited, convince your employees to do the same. Find the most efficient people and talk to them. Even just a handful of people leaving could be devastating if they make up the most competent at the office. If they refuse, then maybe you are entitled and your complaints are unfounded.
The balance of power is in competition and its an actual balance unlike unions, which are unbalanced 9/10 times. They represent a much bigger political power over an enterprise than the enterprise itself. A union is much more powerful politically than a corporation.
I'd rather union ironworkers and tradesmen build a building I'm gonna be working in than a bunch of less skilled scab contractors.
Thanks PBD, as a SAG/AFTRA member myself, it’s technically not a “union”, we are in a Guild, but they refer to it as a “union,” when they do not perform as a union and don’t do anything help their members, at least that’s been my experience in over 20 years and other members have dealt with same experiences.
Funny how patrick never complains about the salaries of CEOs 😂😂
That's decided by the board of directors using performance. They make the leftover of expenses after others are paid the agreed amount. People create jobs with the main incentive of being rich.
@@bengsynthmusicin a perfect world CEO's create jobs with the main incentive of being rich. But as we see with Mr. Musk and Twitter that is not the case ( there are many other examples). New CEO's come and start by firing workers so in their quarterly report it shows they cut down expenses. Remember unions were the ones that pushed for child labor laws and companies refused to comply. Unions were created for a reason. Please, don't forget that.
@@robertdelvecchio6690
As the video shows, what starts with good intentions turns corrupt and damaging. They're now monopolistic, in-group self-serving, and politically problematic.
@@bengsynthmusic Aren't all big companies self-serving and politically problematic.? Car companies manufacture their Buicks, Cadillacs, Chevrolets, Volvos in China where the wages are far less than in the West and yet that saving is not passed down to the consumers but instead it translate into bigger profits for those companies and less benefits for workers. Unions are there to protect the workers. Last few years Unions have been demonized but people forget why we created unions in the first place.
@@robertdelvecchio6690
Yes. So long as there is power to be sold, everyone, be it unions or corporations, will try to cash in for themselves. So the problem is political power itself. If you want companies to bring back jobs here, make doing business easier and less strenuous. The more laws and regulations get put in place, the more capital flight. As it stands today, unions are bullies who satiate only their own bellies.
My take on unions as someone in sales that deals with unions daily. Im 100% for private sector unions like carpenters or UPS unions, all the way, those workers should have the right to organize for better pay and benefits. My experience with these workers has been nothing but amazing. On the flip side, there are places where unions should be completely banned or outlawed or whatever. No medical professional should be able to be unionized and the biggest issues with this is unions usually do a great job of protecting their own. If you're a bad RN or doctor with lives on the line you should have no protections, you shouldn't be a doc or nurse period if you're incompetent. The second is government sector unions. There should be extremely limited protections for government employees as they're all to often paid well with amazing benefits all paid for by the American tax payer. They are overly protected almost to a point of it being impossible to get rid of poor employees.
Lastly, if I was in a union, which in sales that would be counterproductive, the one area where unionization is not as much of a benefit as one would assume in your pensions. Yes you pay a 1.5-4% fee to take part in a union on average but you also usually pay an additional 1.5-2.5% fee to have your pension managed. Sorry but that is absolute abuse and pure theft on the part of your union heads and the know it. Over the course of your retirement you could be losing well over a quarter mil in fees.
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And I don't think industry like medical profession , education, water, Gas, electric, or prisons should be privatized
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Pat's pitiful take that anyone who joins a unions see themselves a "limited in capacity and prefers entitlements " is pure trolling nonsense.
Interesting how he never mentioned police and Firefighters unions.
Pat is just butthurt bc he was exposed for running a sleazy MLM insurance company where 95%of the licensed sales agents make less than a minimum wage worker making $7.25hr while he leached off them!
I work in a foundry as a metal pourer, i make 16$ an hr, there is no union
Minimum wage in California is $15.50 hr. Hopefully your're in a cheaper state.
Like my grandpa said, unions had their time and place, but it isn’t now. But as a truck driver, I think we need to unionize because we’re getting screwed. I don’t know.
Lol wait you just contradicted yourself..
Go drive for a better paying company or don't accept low paying freight. Your CDL is a golden ticket. You're Golden.
Seems to me they’re needed now more than ever. Business Insider, 2018, “A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 full-time jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment in most of the US”.
@@KontenderTV believe me it’s a hard spot to be in I have always been anti union but these days the industry is bad
Tard runs in ur lineage.
I was in a Union when working for CPS in NJ. I went to the union due to mistreatment while pregnant and the supervisors retaliate against me due to my complaint. I should have just gone directly to EEOC. I learned I should always advocate for myself. Unions are misleading.
The unions are great when they help establish families and communities. The problem is when unions are used to manufacture consent in society and push social changes down everyone's throat, whether we agree to it or not.
Wtf are you talking about?
@@brandonpurdy7658 You know what he's talking about, lefty.
I feast on the bones of capitalists.
@@Finn_MacCool OK groomer
Unions are pushing for puberty blockers numb nuts.
I was a Teamster for 40 years, I made about $30 hour in my final two years. But when I was making $23 hour I was working on average of 60 hours a week. Made more than $80K in seven different years.
Yippie!
As a member I'm a hypocrite and here's why. My union does nothing for me that I really couldn't do for myself except collective bargain. It protects the sorriest of the sorry while taking my dues and supporting candidates I don't agree with AT ALL!! Oh and did I mention that they all but tell us who to vote for each election cycle? The one thing that I'm hypocritical for is the fact that the health-care they provide is top notch. Other than excellent health-care I'm just giving them my dues each month because I don't agree with almost anything they do.
at least you are smart enough to know that.
In NYC the Unions could NOT protect us from the C19 V@x mandates. Jobs were threatened and lost.
The problem with unions is the same problem as with corporations: They are not competing in a free market system. Instead, they are buying politicians to control the market. When politicians try to control the economy by passing laws to help a company or a union, the economy becomes less efficient.
only government can create a monopoly.
Doesnt matter, I rather the workers reap the riches from their labor than letting it goes to any executive. As long as the economy benefit the majority of the people, thay is good.
@@saviet4222At the expense of the person who set into motion the very benefit you claim you’re entitled too.
Have you heard about the idiom killing the goose that lays the golden egg?
@@kalsidifrom your position I assume just paying what the employee is worth to employer would drag down costs so low that everyone's buying power would be up
My brother worked at a union organization and they told him don’t work so fast as you will run out of things to do. He found employees hiding in storage areas to sleep during the day and he could not take it so he quit also
Your brother has a good moral compass.
I've experienced the same things in non-union jobs
He could have just worked and enjoyed the better wages. I'm in a union and I always work steadily. Some ppl invite me to relax but I just feel bad for not working.
@@TL-rh1lf but in Union jobs the seniority trumps everything else. Your job is less secure because if business has downturn no matter what it is the less senior people who are let go first. The more senior people just never feel threatened by any downturn. Meanwhile you can spend precious energy to only be unemployed.
In non union jobs the productive people and critical people are saved. People at work know who is doing nothing. This allows the companies to survive and the company can trim fat instead of trimming only newer things
The part Patrick says the competitive people despises unions are so true. I worked on a project and the union folks were slow, lazy, not on top of their game and took their breaks on the second the rules said. 😂
I always wondered how would they survive in the real world.
Easy, they create their own reality.
To be fair, unions are necessary to some degree because corporations will squeeze the life of workers for profits. In the end, is about balance.
Taking your negotiated break is lazy? Sounds like you are entitled and want free goodies.
Yes we should all work for free an not eat so we can line yours and pbds pockets. Tas pendejo
@@paulheydarian1281 Based on basically every American Financial graph out there, Id say paying people that much for that level of productivity isnt sustainable. Even if Unions are a necessary balance thats just ridiculous.
Private Employee Unions are absolutely necessary and should be supported. Public Employee Unions, on the other hand, are an abomination and should be eliminated. The distinction absolutely matters.
I work in security/ access control/ physical security , without our union the raise would be $.25 - $.50 per hour a year. Yes you read that correctly $1.25 a hour over a 5 year span. Regardless of how hard you work supervisors (management isn’t allowed to unionize) only make a quarter ($.25) more per hour than us. Also management never gets the overtime rate regardless of how many hours they work. Straight only, god forbid they are salaried no extra money.
Most businesses like for employees to have no union, it’s easier to screw them on pay & fire them without cause
That's borderline criminal.
Yes a brother in law of mine is always bragging how he does as little work as possible working for the American Airlines laguardia airport they all are playing video games and working like 3 hours or 30 minutes while charging full day pay. On top of working slow as possible to get over time. Last week it actully hit him and started saying he is worried how everyone around his team is really not working at all.
That guilty feeling is his subconscious telling him it's not right.
Include the teachers unions, the police unions, the federal employee union, and ask that question honestly.
I’ve worked for UPS for 12 years. Drivers actually make about 150k with the OT
Honestly… now seems like a good time to get into acting and writing.
A.I. will take writer's jobs. Acting will keep hiring beautiful people.
I’m a young actor working on entering the industry. I’ve heard so much talk about the unions since I’ve started acting classes. Thank you very much for offering a differing perspective than what much of the news is offering right now.
American Federation of Teachers Randi Weingarten used to make $64k as a teacher. But according to her tax returns is making closer to $543K as a union leader. Just incase you were wondering where your Union Dues go to!
to pay the bureaucracy
I work in the electrical union. Non union contractors charge the same amount for labor as union contractors. The only difference is the nonunion contractor pockets the majority of the wages they were supposed to pay.
The concept/idea of union is good. Problem is the union leaders(in a lot of cases) are much like a politician and they don't suffer and are basically there to peddle influence for the bad workers. Then companies agree to union demands and go broke and then its managements fault !
There is an enormous difference between public sector union strikes and private sector union strikes.
Public sector unions shouldn't exist
Pat only reads headlines and Wikipedia 😂😂😂
As usual, eye opening and informative. Thank PBD. Dr. Kay Sobhe, Certified Rug Specialist, Certified Rug Appraiser, Rug Ideas (since 1953)
Yep! I've seen it and experienced the entitlement mentality in full force. Zero accountability, almost impossible to fire, etc...in public sector unions.
"Unions are protecting the lazy and the stupid"
- tom leykis -
So…..
Cops
Firefighters
Airline pilots
Trade workers
Railway workers
Etc
Are all stupid and lazy according to you.
Sounds kinda elitist and condescending
Out of all these comments..this one has to be the dumbest one. Quoting Tom leykis says all I need to know
Nicely put together PBD!
My son joined the pipefitters union because his work is in the HVAC systems. He has told me that those high hourly wages, the union payments, the high taxes on his wages and very high costs of living in the San Jose area of California doesn't leave him much money for other reasons for the family's livelihood. That is why he had to do lots of side jobs for cash in order to live the life he wanted him and his family to enjoy. Now he's a full time sales rep for a big construction company and a business owner putting in new cooling and heating systems in private homes. He works at least 100 hours a week and gets less time with his family now.
Unions protect employees. I work for UPS and the average employee doesn't make $49 an hour. Right now top rate is $41.50 an hour. Most employees do not make that much. You have to be there 4 years as a driver. Without the union I would not work for UPS. They are ruthless!
You'd try to open your own logistics company if you weren't paid much by UPS, assuming you're competing in the same market.
@@shapshooter7769 He's not the kind of man that can do that kind of thing. He needs a union to protect him.
@@Finn_MacCoolnot everybody wants to climb the corporate ladder, and you technically can at UPS. It’s called going to management positions which are non union
Remember there is a big difference between public & private sector unions.
Both getting donations from Political parties. So, no. They are mostly the same. It's like having Gov agents paid by your own company monitoring your work and protesting over silly stuff periodically.
@@frankdefranco9436 Wrong 💯% Private sector workers get nothing for free. All health & welfare benefits are earned through an amount of hours worked. No paid days off . No paid vacation & if you miss your hours you are out of luck. Not to mention there is no seniority of service. So there is a huge difference private sector workers have no entitlements. And that is a huge disparity between private & public. Getting laid off/ fired is part of life in private sector. It’s impossible to get rid of an unproductive public sector job. 3rd generation 30 year building trade member talking from experience. And yes the people @ the top donate $ to mostly the left. But the base is highly conservative. So check yourself
Union is union. Is union.
Collective bargaining is as American as Apple pie.
Unless you want to say police unions are bad. Be my guest
@@OT_concerned_citizen That’s an example of public sector along with teachers
Unions are a solution to the market failure caused by asymmetric information in the labour market. Historically, they played a large role in increasing the life expectancy, which benefitted companies for a long time and still do to this day. They raise costs for companies too, but only by creating fair wages. If you are attacking unions, you have to have an alternative solution to solve asymmetric information in the labour market to make an argument about how they are bad for the economy.
Thank you so much, great information ❤❤
When I was in a union I was laid off alot , working non union I haven't been laid off in 6 years.
You save a lot of money in Union Fees
@@stoundingresultsunion fee is 2.5 your hourly wage , paid once a month.
You spend more on ur wife's boyfriend
Unions all start off with good intentions but after each generation of leadership change (about 15 years per generation), they get progressively more self-interested. After 3 generations or about 45 years they are rarely performing the original purposes of their original existence and the primary driver becomes increasing the union managements power.
Pat please talk about what vivek said in your townhall, what’s not allowed to discuss in public discorse, the decline of mental asylum and the increase of crimes in usa
ive met Terry o'sullivan very good speaker, very good agitator and a very effective unionist
I was forced to pay dues to SEIU in my career working for a county in California. The people running the SEIU are Marxists and don't hide it. It made me sick to have my hard earned money financing the cause. The local chapter leaders who ran the bargaining units were promoted into their jobs solely on party loyalty and were incompetent. These local leaders rarely returned phone calls or even showed up for disciplinary hearings. I wouldn't have a problem belonging to a union if it's sole function was to represent the due paying workers best interests, and spend the dues collected honestly. I don't think you can find a labor union in this country that runs on this model.
Yeah humans are corrupt, they corrupt good things like unions.
Seiu sucks.. I was invaded with the security union signing the companies didn't follow the contracts nor did the union.
depends vastly on where and who. Every profession has a different union, with different people at all levels of it.
What you do when you join a union is you give up your right to negotiate your terms of salary. You pay someone to negotiate for you.
Financing what cause?
Toyota and honda plants are still not unionized in USA and Canada
I'm an IBEW member, and having said that, private sector unions are far better than the public sector unions. I can get laid off any day next week where in the public sector is very hard to do the same. Teachers unions are probably the worst
Thank you for this video.
Outstanding content. Thanks, Patrick.
everything has it's pros and cons, PBD, including your videos.
The grocery worker union that i was under while working at Albertsons was awful. New employees get minimum wage so we made less after dues. Plus we only got a 10 cent raise around every 6 months.
Love the facts Pat !
I work in a medical/laboratory facility, and we’re unionized by the SEIU. Yeah, when it comes to monetary we get paid well, but seeing the finance part of it is just a small slice. The SEIU sold out to our employer that they added more work, constantly changed work scheduled, gave permission to the employer to get employees disciplined for anything. The employer constantly breaks the rules, the SEIU knows about it but turns the other way. So financially yeah we make more money than others, but what’s the point if the SEIU lets my employer get away for unfair treatment. I just wished unions were held accountable for their corruption.
Without your union the employer could do anything they wanted to employees without asking, bargaining or negotiating. Many union members dont get educated on their rights under labor law.
@@allthingsnm354 bro/sis, our union is currently worthless now. It’s been 2 months since I posted this. Guess what our employer did without consulting the union or employees? They changed the rules of overtime, which in the past it was negotiated on the bargaining table before the contract was signed. Pretty much the employer decides who works OT, and once you’re chosen, now it’s hard to get yourself off of it. Plus, the employer added a faulty app that makes it difficult to call out sick. Many of my coworkers have been penalized because of it. So don’t come here to blame it on union members that it’s our fault that we don’t know our union laws etc.. open your eyes and realize that unions have been playing its members all along. Unless you’re one of the lucky few who hasn’t been affected.
So you’d rather not have the union so that your employer could still do all that shit AND give you shit pay on top of it?
@@beefsteax🙄Yeah, that's precisely what they said. Do you ever clean the feces outta your ears? Just curious.
In my opinion, it really depends on the employer as to whether unions are justified. I remember my first job working in the stockroom of a large fashion retailer. They treated staff very poorly. Demanded overtime that they wouldn't pay for but rather give "time owed" at their convenience. Wouldn't let sick employees go home, paid very poorly also. There was an actual investigation done and it showed they hadn't paid employees correctly either. Management was very rude to staff. Don't get me wrong, it was a starter job for most people, and while the work was very physically demanding, it didn't really take much skill. But still, young employees and people on minimum wage are easily taken advantage of (past what is expressed in the contract). They do need some sort of organisation to protect their rights.
But in my most recent job, I couldn't believe how well staff were treated. In fact I got into an argument with one of the warehouse guys (I was now in office) who was grumbling about starting a union saying how bad the employer treated them. I got angry and said "You have no idea how privileged you are if you think you are being taken advantage of here".
It was the type of job were, they wouldn't even have to ask people to do overtime as there was a great team spirit and everyone pulled together. Hard work was rewarded and employees who struggled were giveb every support and opportunity to improve. A union in a place like that would destroy the genuine relationship between employee and company.
You poor baby. Had a hard life, have ya?
PBD im currently in the rural carrier union for the Post office, the Union is a push over, they cut 75% of pay salary by over 8k and our representatives told us that if we strike we could be arrested. They are cowards and we are trying to get the teamsters to take over but its tough. The union dues also just increased. Great video Pat
Thank you PBD
The real reason I joined a union was my weakness in selling myself. I strive to be the best and always learn to do better. This allows me not to worry about asking for a raise. I also know it can backfire with those who are lazy and take advantage.
Notice how these Anti-union schmucks never talk about all the other unions, police, welders, steel, etc.
He saying all these CRAFTSMAN see themselves as limited in capacity and that's why they join unions?
He sounds upset that he was exposed for running a sleazy MLM insurance company where 95% of the licensed sales agents make less than a minimum wage worker making $7.25hr, while he leached off them!
Damn that hits home, maybe I really should join a union.
@@carpelunam yeah before deciding to go through a union I had to research how they ran the union, pension, healthcare(during work and retirement), politics and education.
I live in the Bay Area. They run the union, pension and education well. The politics I don’t agree with.
Patrick, you never waste my time. Thank you for your valuable work. God bless you!
I like this topic! Thanks pbd
Thanks great break down
Unions are like homeowner associations and timeshares. On paper someone with an agenda can make it seem like a great idea but they almost never are.
Yes, the idea of making a livable wage of the average American ~$57,000/year, or more, is horrible to deal with when joining a union.
People like pbd will try to sell u time share and swear by them
What do you mean? By almost every single measurable metric union employees fare better than non union employees
Patrick... you're not making any sense as a few podcasts you talked about the power we as humans have when we come together against big companies like Blackrock. That's a union sir...You're cherry-picking, sir
I worked in 2 different unions while in college. I noticed a few things when I worked there. I got more of an attitude. I missed a lot of work. I made great money. Part-time employees not in the union still had to pay dues. They called them part time to get out of paying insurance & such, but they worked full time. The union had the power to return you from a full timer to a part timer at will. You would also lose about $6-$15hr on top of your insurance. If you ever lost your job due to points you could get it back. It took a lot of screwing up to get fired.
Great episode ✔️
PBD really thinks only business owners should be rich and the rest of us should be grateful we are working for crums. This guys is becoming a joke.
I love being in a union I get paid well and treated well
Fatastic breakdown, PBD. Thank you!
The one union I was a member somehow lost 80% of its pension fund value. Despite having a huge turnover rate. Less than 10% of people putting into the fund stayed long enough to be vested. Than they pressured us to lobby congress for a tax payer funded bailout
I felt that the teacher's union was a necessary evil. Before the union teachers were treated badly and paid very poorly. The NEA and the AFT do not represent the mindset of most teachers. Those are prominent in the big cities, NY, Chicago & Baltimore. Being naive I was stunned by the bullying behavior of union members when you don't join. My dad worked at a non-union newspaper in the 50's and 60's. We lived a hand to mouth existence with no money for Christmas presents. Without the unions you live in poverty. People were no different then than they are today. It is the nature of human beings that they want to control others, and given the opportunity, they will.
You can't talk shit on unions when CEO's are paying themselves 30 million dollars a year. Greed is a huge problem in this world.
If a CEO is profitable its because the consumers on the free market want his or her products/services. You have no grasp of basic economics
And consequently if no consumer wants your goods or services, your business goes down under
@@ontariofirs7347the CEO is profitable because that product is being produced by wait for it..THE WORKERS. without workers = no products
$49 ain’t the average ups driver pay. That’s the new max pay for deliver drivers.
I like being self-employed. I’ve never called a person boss in my life. I’ve had jobs but never for more than a year or so until I’d start butting heads with management. I’ve been self-employed for 14 years now.
Smart decision. And i bet you're much better off economically wise compared to the W2 Employee.
@@jasonkoroma4323 realistically there are probably a good percentage of union members in trades who make as much money as I do currently but my ceiling will be higher as I grow the business further, I’m also able to make a decent amount even when not much working myself, I’m able to employ family members and it allows me a lot of flexibility/control over my schedule. The perks are less about money for me than they are about the sense of freedom and security knowing I’m in control of my own destiny.
Congrats man. Everyone is different. Many don't have your personality and aren't as risk averse.
@@ItsAllCulturalMarxism yes but those people can make just as much money working with me as they can in a union while still maintaining a sense of independence.
@Brian-dg3gh independence vs security. Different strokes for different folks. No one way is better than the other. A good balance of both.
In my nearly 3/4 century of life on Earth I've had direct and indirect dealings with unions beginning with the ILGWU, (seamstress'); UMW (coal miners); postal workers union. In all cases I was left with an extremely bad taste in my mouth. In the first half of the 20th Century unions were needed... Post WWI unions dragged down not only the industries to which they were connected but the country in general. They are one of the prime reasons for the ex-patriot movement of industry overseas.