Potential SOLUTIONS for Clippers & Pelicans + Spurs a PLAYOFF team? 👀 | The Hoop Collective
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- Brian Windhorst is joined by ESPN's Andrew Lopez and Ohm Youngmisuk to break down where the Clippers go from here after losing Paul George, how the Pelicans can get a center & how best to fill out their roster going forward, how the Nuggets can replace Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, if Russ fits in Denver, if Chris Paul makes the Spurs a playoff team and more!
0:00 Welcome back to The Hoop Collective
1:15 What’s next for the Clippers?
14:44 Next moves for New Orleans
40:48 Denver solutions to loss of KCP
46:27 Expectations for Spurs with CP3
56:23 Thanks for watching!
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Brian has spent so much time with Tim Bontemps that he now has all his bad habits 😂
I was going to say u can tell he’s used to verbally sparring with bro lmfao 🤣
Bontemps is one of the best. He knows the game in and out
Windhorst was asking questions to the experts then answering it himself… you can tell the two tims put him in his place when they are on. Windy can’t do podcasts with anybody else because he truly believes he knows it all. But with the tims he refers to their superior ball knowledge.
Windy ain't letting no one talk this episode lol let em speak Brian
He is acting like Steven A
Came to write this, why even have co hosts
I'm here for windy and McMahon. No McMahon today so go windy go!
The 2 fatties love interrupting esp. the main fatty Windy
@@natedunn3933even more so if they are guests
Agree with Windy here. One of the few times because the 2nd apron excuse sounds like BS. The Clipper were approaching the 2nd apron regardless. Just say you didn’t want PG back.
We can also say we gave it 5 years. Our stars were never there when we needed them
@@joshuabernardino4310I agree there. I think the roster peaked and they thought they gave it their best chance. I think the team memo/tweet about PG leaving was to a pay tribute to PG and at the same time save a little face. The 2nd apron was just that big of a fork in the road that made them move on.
@@liferealgood don’t call a man by a nickname unless you know him . Weirdo
@@inglewoodpyro1233 ok Russian bot 🤖 go play in traffic
@@liferealgood this from the guy that eats corn the long ways
When talking about Franz, everybody is quick to bring up his 3pter and Game 7 but not his game 4 and 6 performances AND how great and versatile of a defender he is. If you don't believe me look up his defensive metrics. ELITE
And he's 22. He's gonna get better. Deserved the contract
@@brandonsingh5083 he didn't show $224,000,000.00 worthy...
I ain't going to lie but they whiling he is a diamond they Will see n I'm a Lakers fan lol😊
Do you really see a route to him and Paulo being a championship 1 and 2 though?
I don’t think anyone is bashing him, it’s just a question of whether he can be the second best player on a championship team with all the talent in the league today
@@lukeremsberg5796 at this time the only real question about Franz is his long range jumper. How many 22 year olds can you say that about? He is good to great at just about everything else, including defense. And he shot 36% from 3 his first 2 years.
So yes, I can see a world where Paolo and Franz are 1 and 2 on a title team, or at the very least a very good title contender. Are they there yet? Obviously not but rookie max extensions are based on potential, not the player’s current level
As a clipper season ticket holder I think getting rid of PG was the right move. They weren’t winning the chip with him, with PG they project to do what they did this year, one and done. Now they are younger, spending less and better positioned for the future. Short term they will be slightly worse next year but will be in the mix for 7/8 seed. They had to get rid of PG for lack of heart & bball intelligence, they can’t say it outright because it’s a player controlled league so they claim it was all because of the CBA.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
good point on the bball IQ. PG is one of those guys who will take a tough shot when another player has an open shot. The clippers had too much my turn your turn. And PG's shooting was streaky so he sometimes took and missed those shots with another player open. When that happens enough, guys stop moving without the ball. Defensively I like PG a lot but when he had a tough assignment it did take a bit out of his offensive game at 34 years old. that will be the case for the rest of his career.
This dude said maybe they will try and get shai or ant man. Bro what 🤣
@@drakeheinz1375 😂
I like Ohm but that take is a bit of a stretch.
Well, a lot can happen in a season and stars can get disgruntled if they don’t think things are going well. but obviously things are looking up for Minnesota and OKC.
@@robertweekes5783lol but to go to clippers? The team is obvs cursed. While both Are doomed to irrelevance soon, the lakers will always profile as bigger threat to sign stars
@@robertweekes5783 clips traded shai, the take Ohm made was horrible lmao
The Clippers are gonna be better without PG
Facts
Hell yea now that pandemic p dribble dribble sissy is gone. Clippers got tougher with defensive dog and lob threat
You are clueless like a Boomer wearing a little red hat suffocating his brain. 🤣😳
To all those Philly fans/ people that think Philly biggest threat in the East. Remember Philly and Embiid say “If we’re healthy, we can win this.” What tf you think Clippers have been saying?
Wow, the Ohm dude was embarrassing to listen to. Sounds like he never even watches hoops let alone cover a team.
I’m glad I’m not the only person to feel that way he legit sounds like no matter what anyone tells him he believes it 100%.. zero common sense, that clippers second apron on the 4th year is insane to even think about especially cause cap continues to go up and kawhi would be off the books.. where they find him
i come here for Brians poker metaphors. Clippers are chasing that flush...all the way down the drain.
Its always a sunny day in Clippers land for Ohm. Load management is fine, not making the finals once since the big bang is fine, losing your second-best player for nothing in free agency is perfectly fine!
he's gotta be on balmer's payroll or this guy is delusional af
As a clippers fan we’re just so desensitized to bad things happening to our franchise. At a certain point it’s just becomes the norm
@@steph_566Clippers had maybe the top duo in the league (Griffin/CP3) for 6-7 (2011-18) seasons and still couldn’t win a championship!
@@YouCanChangeYourWorldTodayExactly my point
Wow played 29 games in a row! If you think that is a big deal, the team has a problem. Four playoff series going 6 a piece is 24 games - in a row.
It’s a big deal for him. He is a great player with a failed body. The league and team is better with him.
playoff games are not back to backs or 5 games in 7 or 8 days.
its not just the 2nd apron the clippers were worried about, its the ability to adjust the roster as kawhi and pg got older. windy is talking about they would have had 3 years to figure it out. you dont need 3 years to figure out that paying paul george 57 mil when hes 36, and 61 mil when hes 37 is a bad idea. they wanted him to sign a similar deal as kawhi so as he got older he was taking up a smaller percentage of the cap each year giving them some flexibility to compete.
Well they now have nothing to show for trading SGA and they still owe OKC draft picks from that trade. Either way the Clippers came out of this situation big Losers.
Please replace windy.
They should not have extended Kawhi either. Hes the type of guy who plays just long enough to get contract extensions then load manages afterwards
Feels like the Clippers didn't want PG, whatever the reason, and PG didn't want to stay, fourth year or not. Paul George knows he is better off in Philly and ultimately decided to go there.
On first take Brian seems fairly happy/upbeat. Here he looks mad
On air personality vs. true personality
@@zeus4885 or lack thereof 😂
Him and Botempts are miserable people lol. They are such douchebags
Prob just wasn’t in mood to do episode. Was thinking of dirty cheeseburgers the whole time
@@anthonytrevino3191lol
This is great to listen when I cant go to sleep. Better than rain drops and counting sheep.
"Kawhi is not playing every night.."
Made my day. Understatement of the year..
Clippers are good. Porter Jr, Kia Jones & D. Jones Jr. will easily put the PG era behind us.
Sure 😊
Your team is boned
maybe but it wont be easy.
New Gym, New Identity. See you in Oct
Well at least you still have James "The System" Harden. lol.
Whose never missed the playoffs
Adding Kevin Porter Jr. Will increase clippers chances
Chances of... What?
Sneaky good pickup
He had potential in Houston 20 5 & 5 his last year
Could they have kept Paul George,who has at least been more available to play, instead of Kawhi? Would there be more optimism keeping Harden and adding Derrick Jones Jr.,etc., to Paul George? And if I'm the Clippers,I do NOT want Kawhi to play in the Olympics.
They shoulda kept Pg and traded Kawhi to the warriors. The man load manages 90% of his life and only plays a few games per year.
Neh, pg doesnt win games. Pg takes too many bad shots.
@@HanPro kawi doesn't win games either anymore since he doesn't play
PG who scores 15 points in elimination game 😂😂😂😂
PG had his chance to show he was worth it and he didn’t show up once again
Y'all wayyyyy overestimating CPIII on the pick and roll being able to routinely create the same amount of space getting his shot off.
Defenders gonna go under that screen and dare him to beat them on 18-22 footers all day. If he's not hitting 3's at a high clip fugghetaboitit he's more a mentor for Castle than any real threat on the floor.
GS underwhelming overall with him last year. I don't see that changing with new scenery. Dude's just old and he ain't LBJ.
Andrew has the 1983 JazzFest poster in the background. Nice
kevin porter jr is comeback player of year
Maaannn HBO needs to due a Hard Knocks behind the scene on the Clippers this coming year. Clips signed wild man Kevin Porter and about to sign Miles Bridges... While hiring tell it like it is Jeff Van Gundy to be lead assistant . And Harden now expected to assume all star workload...pure comedy!!
Don’t forget before all that they have serial flasher, Josh primo before all that. Straight Hijinks
Only thing is Bridges resigned
No Lakers talk?! I’m skipping this one little fellas 😂😂😂
If yall want to hear more of the C list guests that Brian allows on HIS pod, maybe yall should go find Ohms and company since yall need their insight so badly
I dont understand why everyone is losing there mind over PG. What did the Clippers win with him and Kawhi? Absolutly nothing. It didnt work, it failed. It was time to move on imo
Prob because they lost him for nothing and the implications consequences of the deal FIVE years ago means okc still owns their 2025 and 2026 draft picks
Because they ended up with nothing lol.. traded SGA and have nothing to show for it
Why did they keep showing the clip of Harden closing out on Kawhi??😂😂
Clippers are about to rebuild. They got a bunch of players that they will trade at the deadline. If they would have signed PG to the max, it would have taken away their flexibility.
9:20-10:00 borderline unlistenable with Windy’s pissing contest w Ohm. Let your guests be guests.
The question should be "now what for the 76ers", PG is a 42% career shooter and 35% at the 3 point line, never played in a championship game, will be 35 next season outside a couple seasons in Indy he hasn't made a difference on any team he has played and none of this equal a max contract. Philly doesn't make it pass the 2nd round.
Just signed Caleb Martin sixers not done also PG is the 3rd option behind maxey
@@ianneufville3789 the finals don't start til June 25 and you can only put 5 players on the floor, hope you show up...
@@ianneufville3789 PG probably thinks he is the 2nd option. I dont think he bows to maxey.
Great move !! Letting PG walk away now we just have to trade Kawhi...start rebuild will be great ..I'm all wth it.....please no more old guys injured career guys
Harden is the system, and he'll be unlocked next season.
Clippers are gonna put together a first team All Prison team with Kpj, miles bridges and Josh primo 😂
Josh primo ain’t there anymore
Don't forget Jai Jones
Primo isn't on the team and Bridges re-signed with Charlotte.
Nice attempt though!
Bruh windhorst needs to shut up and let the guests talk
Brian's ego is getting HUGE, caused terrible chemistry in this conversation
‘I can speak to that. I can speak to that’ cringe. Let the man finish his sentence.
Dishing out lashings from his high horse. Invite people on to talk down to them about how wrong their opinions are.
Bontemps fights fire with fire as a counter to Windy's ego. MacMahon fluffs it. Both strategies are effective.
Windhorst is such a d bag. He thinks that just because he puppy doged LeBron since he was a kid into a career that he is some sort of basketball God. He also views himself like Woj when he couldn't even put on Woj's shoes for him.
Windy is always right, probably no kids, no girlfriend or wife.
This second apron rule is killing teams we're just the 1st example
Wait so pretty much the Clippers are replacing Westbrook with Kris Dunn 🔥🦍
I couldn't have laughed harder at the idea the Clippers think they could get Ant Edwards, Luka Doncic, or Shai Gilly in Free Agency 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They got peak Kawhi after he carried raptors to a championship.. probably one of the most unlikely/difficult FA signings of the last 10 years..
@@cameronrogowski2990 not unlikely at all … everyone been known Kawhi wanted to play in LA
All the players he mentioned will sign SuperMax extensions with their current teams without even thinking about it
Why do we still care about Westbrick? He is a minimum guy now. Lol.
Clippers need Miles bridges. 2 great lob threats that can hit the 3 with James harden and kawhi 💯
Agreed, he can definitely hit
@@Earl_E_Burdbuh dum tsk
Tobias Harris wasn't a bad player for the Sixers but Harris making 39 mil made him a bad player. At 39 mil you need to be a star and play like it.
Not a “star”, a SUPERSTAR! Superstars lead their team, hit clutch shots, take accountability for the wins & LOSSESS, win playoff series,championships etc etc….
He wasn’t bad but he just disappeared in like almost every playoff series.
@@YouCanChangeYourWorldToday -- Obviously. I said he wasn't a star. He was paid like a star and with that pay it is fair to say Harris was bad.
If Harris was making 25 mil per year instead of 40 he would have gotten much less hate.
harris was not a good passer so he made it easy on defenses. I think the 76ers needed a real '4' and harris was never that.
well no bontemps or mcmahon i'm out lol
There's just no getting around a real "changing of the guard" taking place within these next couple years and the new CBA may've hastened matters due to how it's handcuffed teams abilities to acquire and KEEP star talent.
Woj reports - Clippers sign free agent parole officer to a 3 year max deal
But the 4th year for Paul George wouldn’t affect their apron level? Like 3 or 4 years it’s the same hit on the salary cap
Am Clippers am getting DeArozan
It’s not the same without the Tims
Clippers need to hit the reset button ASAP
Ohm takes the L this podcast. Please don’t bring him back
It's killing Brian to work with the B team, he's wearing the pain.
You guys are completely missing the boat on Ingram - it’s the way you have to run your offense through him. He takes way too many dribble mid range pull ups and in the current nba - most teams want to emphasize 3pt shooting and layups
Could be perfect in the MPJ role on the Nuggets, could just be a scoring wing with some room for creating
If I’m the Spurs, I’m keeping an eye on Stephen Curry. Warriors likely missing the playoffs again.
Strong chance Steph is rethinking his future on the Dubs.
The second apron excuse makes no sense for the clippers. Your already offering 3 years, in the 4th year kawhi and harden will be off the books anyway. They should've just gave PG the 4 year max
You went to work everyday for two months...
Lineup...
Melo
Miller
Miles
Grant
Mark
Mann/Micic
Josh/Jackson/NSJ
Martin/Leaky
Salaun
Richards/Gueye
Ohm just stop cutting in! We heard you already let Windy talk
Wemby might have a Wilt like season next year with CP feeding him the ball and helping organise his pick and roll game. I fully think Wemby could easy average 30 a game with minimal effort.
mininal effort? LOL!
@@thomasblank2353 it will be with the dime master on his team. Bro gonna get so many ally-oops now
You interrupt your guests more than Burt Kreicher
The Clip lost 12 million last year. The Bucks were the only team that lost more. The Lakers made 159 mil. The apron is not a bluff.
B.I. being your 3rd best player is not a max player. Idky dude not tryna sign back in New Orleans. Nobody is paying him the max, if a team is. It’s a city that’s not winning anything. Brandon gone be playing for the Hornets or Portland. 😅😂
The media is going wild over the clippers are dumb for no singing him the 4th year or trying to trade him but i think they made the right decision and the decision they wanted to make which was move on and forget about it they would’ve been in the second apron with a sign and trade so honestly they made the right move just move on start new and with the room to plan for the future
Actually refreshing to see a team stand their ground & not give in to a player. Very rare nowadays.
Windy has to manage his podcast etiquette a little better. Great knowledge except when to interrupt and when to let the other person get their point off. 😂
If Zion needs a center he should go and get the only Center to ever shut down the paint to him. Better yet they can keep Brandon Ingram to go get him. 28:28
clippers got better
Clippers should have signed PG to same contract as Leonard and let Harden walk instead
PG didnt want that contract(3 yrs 50M, lower than max(4 year 55M)). That makes him 20M per yr more expensive than harden and for 2 more years. I just dont see PG worth that much more than harden. Clippers need to make a move before the trade deadline to be contenders. IF they had signed PG they would be pinned to that contract.
Kawhi sacrificed and took less, why can’t he? He’s been nearly just as injury prone as kawhi over the last 4 years
Happy 5th Anniversary PG and Kawhi @Clippers😂.
If Kawhi is your main piece then your set up for failure . Your best player can’t be part time . His teammates will not take that well mentally. If Kawhi was a good leader mayyyybe the team can get behind him but he fails at being a team leader .
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Tre is going to get an OG contract- way off. Way.
Spurs got barnes
CLIPPERS OWN LA BAHAHAHAHA FUNNIEST SHIII I EVER HEARD
😂😂😂😂 common guys don’t pick on the Steelers fan
McCollum not McColumn💀
If I was clippers I woulda fleeced golden state for a boatload of picks. Or at least get some good role players for kawhi. To let pg walk for nothing was so stupid I’d fire the GM. You cannot outrun your ruined reputation after that.
Except nobody was giving up a boatload of picks for PG, if that gm lived in your fantasyland im sure he'd of made that trade too
@@fkscopeswarriors were offering Wiggins and a 2027 first round pick. That’s better than nothing
@@Hopper830 that's debatable with how bad Wiggins was last year. And if GS is willing to shop him that means they aren't expecting a huge bounceback
@@fkscopes Wiggins and 1st is better than having to sign washed up Nic Batum.
Dallas Cowboys right now have the same problem as the Clippers.
Clippers have a bad owner?
Who the f’ cares. He’s 34, hasn’t won sh** and expected to get paid the same as Leonard?
Lets go Thunder.
They had to keep Leonard cuz he’s their “superstar” PG made the right decision to leave. He was more consistent and they burned him
Where was his consistency in games 5 & 6 vs the mavs when he was getting locked up?
Or what about in the 2023 playoffs when he didn’t play at all?
@@bluv5185 the clippers in general didn’t play in 2023 oh wait Leonard was injured. 2024 Clippers don’t care. All they want is tickets for next year sold. They were gonna lose anyways.
@@cavemanslayer in the 2023 playoffs clippers played the suns. And PG didn’t play at all. Kawhi played games 1&2 and was the best player in the series before he got hurt.
Ingram to Sac, Wendell Carter Jr to New Orleans and Huerter to Orlando.
Ohm is so clueless man. Sga and ant are not going anywhere lmao
Los Angeles Gangster🤞
The Clippers are moving around deck chairs on the Titanic. 🙃
not this mf still thinkin the clippers didnt blow their chance lmfao
Kawhi destroying two franchises in his career is an impressive feat.
Count 3, if us san antonians didnt get the pick of all picks we would still be in desolation with only Brandon Miller or something 😅
Hate when people that haven't played the game of basketball some how are professionals and major critics.... play a whole half of basketball for once in your life.... then you can talk about basketball..........
Yeah, all they have to do is say they love BLM and they are in. Doesn’t matter if they ever played basketball or not.
The Flippers have sucked for how long, 50 ,60 years? What's next for the Flippers is a hilarious question 😂😅🤣🤣Absolutely nothing!!
if My Nets signed Brandon Ingram, they would get better. My Nets do not want to get better.
The Nets don’t need to trade for BI. And now the Nets don’t want to trade for anyone because they need to tank. Trading draft picks in their current situation would be very bad from a GM standpoint.
Are the nets trying to plant the flagg?
From the Pelicans perspective I would rather bring Tacko Fall back to the NBA and keep Brandon Ingram. 36:36
Think about if Zion was a 4, and Ingram was a 3. Then you have Batum at 2? Alverado on a defensive one with Zion or Ingram playing point forward?
That team is HUGE and their only defensive liability is Batum maybe? Maybe Tacko against Denver, but honestly I think Tacko would lock jokic up.
How would Kawhi feel? Who cares PG has been more available he deserves more. Kawhi would feel like his knee hurts
PG folded in game 5 & 6 vs the mavs. And didn’t even play in 2023 playoffs. If kawhi didn’t take the max and sacrificed PG should do the same.
@@bluv5185 and they both choked together in the bubble Kawhi disappeared mysteriously wit injuries in how many series what’s your point. PG shouldn’t do anything but what’s best for him and the clippers were never gonna win anything anyway THEY ARE THE CLIPPERS
@@abjustdoit1294 you’re sittin here acting like PG wasn’t part of the problem lol
@@bluv5185 no I’m not I said they both choked 😂 they both been cheeks cuz THEY BEEN PLAYIN FOR THE CLIPPERS
Windy tell your brother to take a nap and to get off First Take disgraceful
The Westbrook disrespect is crazy...The Clippers played better with Russ without harden. The Clippers were a better team
Team offensive efficiency and shooting percentage went up with harden. They went fromn 16th to 4th in the league. They lost rotational depth with RoCo, Batum, and morris which really hurt when PG, Harden, Zu or Kawi missed games due to injury. They got often run out of the gym shorthanded whenever somebody was out. building a lead and losing it as players are gassed. Kawi(career high 52.5% FG, career high shooting efficiency, 59%), PG(career high 47% FG and career high 55% shooting efficiency), Zu (career high scoring, 65% FGs). Todays NBA game puts a premium on 3 point shooting, every team will let westbrook shoot and clog the lane area for Kawi, harden. Westbrook has a FG efficiency lower than 50% for his entire career. Harden was 55% last year and has been in the 52-59% range for a decade except for the hamstring injury season. I'll take Dunn over westbrook because Dunn doesnt turn the ball over, plays touch D, can shoot the 3, and will get mann more shots. Mann needs to get more touches and I am hoping his shooting stroke comes back when he doesnt have to guard the best opposing player every night(jones will help). The team needs to get younger, they were the oldest team in the NBA last year and their play faded late in the season. One trade for a john collins type PF and the clippers can let Kawi play defense on SF's. Kawi is just not big enough to guard big young PF's for a whole season.
Holy hell are the Clippers down bad. If what that reporter is saying is true their plan moving forward is hoping to land a star in 2027 Free Agency (Shai or ANT, who I bet sign max extensions way before then), then they are so delusional🤣. But I guess when you don’t own any of your picks for 6 years or have any young players + aging stars what else do you have to hope for. Sorry Clippers fans.
Even if whole LA comes they have Zero chance. Do you guyz know any 🏀 or just talk 💩 😂
Harden & Westbrick are there they will take care of things lol “How to screw the franchise”
Podcast Paul is 💼 chaser
Kawhi is like Derrick Rose bench player with min contract, gave him 50 million good luck
CJ McCollum is not worth no 30 Mil a year.
It’s 2024 now. Players are getting 50-60 million max deals. 30 isn’t a max anymore like it was 10 years ago
7:25
Brian should never criticize Tim for interrupting again.
Brian needs to listen and shut ip lol
Maybe clippers only saving grace is if they pull the move of the century, and somehow trade all their future picks and some young stars, to pair Steph and dray with kawhi in LA. Suddenly clips of would be the best LA team. Kawhi Steph and dray > lakers and Celtics and nuggets.