The Magic Pill Debunked | Keto Netflix Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- A science-based response to the recently released keto documentary that will have you thinking that high meat keto diets cure everything.
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/ micthevegan
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TIY Tiny House Channel: / @tiytinyityourself7733
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My Noakes Vid: • Debunking Dr. Tim Noak...
My Cholesterol Vid: • High Cholesterol Doesn...
Legumes Survival Predictor Study:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...
Bone Broth Lead:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2...
Paleo Mom's List of Adverse Effects:
www.thepaleomom.com/adverse-r...
Kidney stones children keto study: journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/1...
Normal kidney stone rate study: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Acute Pancreatitis keto child death study:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...
"cardiomyopathy...normalized when the diet was discontinued" www.neurology.org/content/54/1...
Raised LDL Healthline: www.healthline.com/nutrition/...
Keto Diet Theoretical Study on Cancer:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Keto Cancer Blood Sugar Case Study of 2 people:www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/1...
Plant-based Diet Slowed Cancer Growth by 8 times:
www.ornish.com/wp-content/upl...
2 Week on Plant-based diet cancer killing increased study:
escholarship.org/uc/item/6ps3...
Barnard Study fasting serum glucose concentration dropped 28%."
care.diabetesjournals.org/cont...
Vegans 78% lower total risk of diabetes:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
NIH Study - Keto group had less fat loss:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2...
BROAD Study Whole food vegan weight loss:
www.nature.com/articles/nutd2...
Over 90% of fat stored is from fat eaten reference:
ajcn.nutrition.org/content/74/...
Okinawan Study:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Neanderthals Eating Pre-Wheat 30K years ago:
www.pnas.org/content/early/201...
100,000 years ago humans eating grains: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2...
Starches built our brain study:
www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi...
Breakdown of meat consumption by animal chart:
www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/...
27% of US land used for grazing:
www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publ...
Nina Teicholz Article Politico:
www.politico.com/story/2015/1...
Atlantic:
www.theatlantic.com/business/...
Nina BMJ Article Response by CSPI:
www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h...
Graph of 40 Countries, Sat fat, and cardio death:
academic.oup.com/ije/article/...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
NutritionFacts.org French Paradox Segment:
nutritionfacts.org/video/what...
Sat fat causes CVD: "The relationships are accepted as causal."
eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/c...
Low carb diets impair artery function. www.cambridge.org/core/journa...
Low carb diets clog arteries:
journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/1...
Corn: 15 million calories per acre!!
www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...
1.75 cows acres per cow (lbs meat from NPR article)
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I met a man that moved to Alaska to die. Doctors told him he had 8 months to live due to 2 types of cancer. (Bone being one & I can not remember the other) He moved to the famous Kenai River to live his dream. He ate only organice fruits, veggies & salmon from the river. 15 months later he decided he needed a job. 2 years in he was cancer free. Just one nice story.
I've been on a keto diet for two years after being diagnosed with diabetes. I had bee eating what everyone would have considered a healthy diet before that --- lots of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, legumes, a little bit of low fat dairy products, and positively no processed foods. Unlike almost every other diet I saw I decided to give keto a try because no one was selling a thing --- except getting healthy. And healthy I am now. I have my diabetes completely under control, my cholesterol is incredibly low, I went from needing meds for high blood pressure to no meds and blood pressure that is excellent. I have not had an asthma attack since starting this way of eating and have not had a single cold or flu. I feel better than I have in decades.
Hi., great this works for you! Did you had a hard transition time to keto?
For me, my digestion does not work good on keto or paleo. And on 75% fat-20 protein and 5% KH I did keto but got soo sick. Hair Loss. I took lot of electrolytes and vegetables... But strange digestion and I really became to smell very bad.
So annoying. Because my pains vanish... Hope to hear if you had symptoms in the beginning.. Thanks
Same here , Keto reversed my diabetes in six months. What people need to understand about Keto there is different levels of it. You can be completely strict to less than 20 grams of carbs per day. Or you can go somewhere in between like 50 grams or 100 grams per day. You can also do a bit less fat and sub more portein in it's place. I find what worked for me was strict initially and once I got my weight and A1C down to ideal I started slowly introducing good carbs back in. Once I feel like I'm starting to gain weight again I will cut back on the carbs. But your mileage may vary. Everyone is different and may have a different goal. Mine goal was getting my Hemoglobin A1C down below 6.0 which I did on Keto .
Diabetes -- Solved by not having processed sugar. Blood pressure -- Solved by not having sodium from processed foods. So, it makes sense those would happen on Keto. But "cholesterol incredibly low"? I'm betting you mean good cholesterol there.
in six months on Keto, I lost 87 lbs, waist size from 46 down to 37. My A1C from 10.2 to 6. My triglycerides plummeted after the first three months and my HDL increased. Doctor did liver test and it came out that my liver is now heathy. I used to have fatty liver.
Like many I’ve wondered how much of the positive benefits of keto & paleo diets can be attributed to the elimination of processed foods.
Eliminating (or sharply reducing) sugar, salt, - and many fats (especially refined, unhealthy fats) can do apparent wonders, especially for anyone who is on a SAD diet.
But that isn’t unique to either keto, paleo or any other specific “lifestyle diet” as long as it gets rid of JUNK.
But when advocates of the paleo/keto school claim that plants are trying to kill us (!!!) I just have to laugh . . . and have regular bowel movements (unlike the constipation I had when I tried keto for 2.5 months as an experiment).
I went on a Keto diet when my Doctor told me I was pre diabetic and had high blood sugar and blood pressure. It was a struggle and I craved sugar 3 days in like a drug addict. 2 months on and my blood sugar is in normal range, I have lost about 10 lbs of fat, I feel a lot better and my blood pressure is in normal range. I now avoid sugars and processed foods where I can and it has worked for me big time!
Same here Keto does help watching what you eat avoiding processed foods is best...
This is an anecdote and anecdotes are often misleading. You can lose fat on any diet provided you don't eat too many calories, and fat loss does lead to improvements in other markers, cutting refined sugar and processed foods will also help with that. The problem is that short term improvements like that don't tell you much about diseases with high latency periods, diseases like heart disease which are caused in part with high dietary intake of saturated fat and cholesterol which is why every major health organisation in the world recommends limiting it as much as possible.
Cholesterol/saturated fat - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9006469
Cholesterol/LDL - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30596814
Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20351774/
Saturated fat/CVD - www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0939475317302375
Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19211817
Cholesterol/saturated fat/LDL - www.onlinejacc.org/content/70/24/2979
Cholesterol/saturated fat - citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549.6029&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Atherosclerosis/cholesterol/LDL - www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.cir.0000103664.47406.49
Baseline/cholesterol - www.onlinejacc.org/content/accj/43/11/2142.full.pdf
Saturated fat - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29844096
Vegan/cholesterol - www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/JAHA.115.002408
LDL/Atherosclerosis - academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/38/32/2459/3745109
Saturated fat/CVD - www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000510
Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC30550/
Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118617
Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4334131/
Saturated fat/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27224282
Saturated fat/LDL - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095759/
Zero correlations/cholesterol - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/313701
Vegan/LDL - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18348715?fbclid=IwAR2gO2Ha880JEXuAIvOarQkrnFfyRrCW2ohB6_UP6koxyLgUu_HN0FIQzqw
Cholesterol/CVD - jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2728487
Vegan vs non vegan - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17364116?fbclid=IwAR2L3nYexZye5R8u1CrZcsFAKuoTvn3VALHUydOO1b7YRQBRUzp1P4fn0Ik
Vegan VS Standard - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/30571591/?fbclid=IwAR1AuTpiH1n-juLa3h4FXrLow19u0zqLhrFEOoe_XXn51XkDek1n2CcFjLQ
PCSK9/LDL/CVD - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16554528
Saturated fat - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27379574
Vegan/cholesterol - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12876093
Vegan/reverse heart disease - dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf
Vegan/reverse heart disease - www.ornish.com/wp-content/uploads/can-lifestyle-changes-reverse-coronary-heart-disease.pdf
Saturated fat/inflammation - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19828712
LDL/CVD - www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.118.034273
Genetic LDL/mortality - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25855712
Vegan/LDL - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29807048
Vegan/cholesterol - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28938794
Saturated fat - www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i5796
France/Finland/CVD - www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1161/01.CIR.88.6.2771
Reverse causation - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25855712
SACN guidelines - www.nutrition.org.uk/nutritioninthenews/new-reports/sacn-sat-fat.html?fbclid=IwAR1LowOn7eFBkYapF0j4G8lhox8om8lNEgRhxiBLOnLYz8AmnKUXg41cnYY
@@cynicalidealist11 bull shit keto all the way.
You have achieved the state of ketardogenesis. Have fun with bowel cancer down the road.
@Christopher Har V Yup, i can eat a banana, apple, orange, pineapple etc when i want it. I just dont do it every day. That would keep me out of Ketosis. The advantage of Ketosis is that it helps your body reach a healthy state and then you can keep it there easily with workouts and eating healthy and even include these sugary foods (natural and processed) if you really want to. My desire to eat processed foods is really low now a days.
However i have noticed that if i indulge in cakes and pastries and pizzas then the cravings can start coming back. So yeah, sugar is actually very addictive in any format.
Keto helps me not have those cravings. Initially it can be tough to get rid of those cravings but once done you will be in control.
As for those who have reversed their type 2 diabetes, even they cannot eat sugar in any format (natural or processed) regularly. That is because their body is already compromised, Keto can help you fix it naturally without the side-effects of medicines. Then on an irregular basis you can eat, no problem. Its just that your desire to eat those items will not be there or at least it will be reduced.
A well planned and researched vegan diet did not work for me.. Keto has healed things I didn't even know I needed help with. One of the first things I noticed after switching my diet was for the first time in years, I stopped thinking about food continuously. When I was vegan, as soon as I was done eating, I was planning my next beautiful meal. And after that...my next beautiful meal...it gets exhausting. I cried when I realized I went a few hours with out thinking about food. It freed me!
Carnist: vegan diets are too expensive.
Also Carnist: grass fed beef! Sign me up!
I never understand anyone who says a Vegan diet is expensive. are you kidding me? I get pounds of oats, potatoes, quinoa, beans, lentils and other veggies / fruit, for less than $50 a week. Hilariously cheap.
UnknownXV absolutely!! Been saving hundreds if not over a thousand since i switched
Heart treatment down the track will be expensive for meat eaters, so even though they are deluded re the cost of meat compared to real food, it will be clear (if if they are lucky enough to make it to a hospital bed rather than a coffin), where the savings really were.
The plant-based staples are the cheapest things in the store. The specialties (varies by season and location) can get pricey. But overall, much less expensive to live sans cruelty.
I eat beans rice lentils potatoes sweet potatoes and oat, they are pretty inexpensive, especially when i buy in bulk. However fruits and can be costly in comparison. Overall it is significantly more inexpensive than cooking meat on a daily basis.
2001,got tired of being fat. Went on an Atkins diet lost15 pounds and had a quintuple bypass. 2016,tired of weight gain. Went on a keto diet lost5 pounds and was told I was showing signs of blocked arteries. 2017 1/2 tired of being fat went on the McDougall diet lost40 pounds was told by doctor," Don't change anything."
love it! all hail dr McDougall!!
Congratulations, enjoy!
Quite interesting and great that it worked for you!
Nice propaganda twist but we doubt you were ever in nutritional ketosis
Boom!
Do keto and paleo not have alot of similarities!? Why does there always have to be these "sides" and animosity towards the other, to the point of debunking? Can't we just be happy that people are seiously questioning the dietary guidelines that we're given and are promoting more whole foods?! It's the standard dietary guidelines we should be fighting against, not each other! Otherwise all we do is create cults and scare people off from making healthier choices with all the confusion.
And I'm one of them you refer to who is alienated from ALL diets from seeing and hearing the non-stop conflicting declarations that "this" diet cures all and anyone not doing it is killing themselves. EVERY ONE of these stupid "diets" has a parade of doctors, experts and testimonials like they're the solution to all physical ailments, and EVERY ONE of these stupid "diets" has just as many doctors, experts, and testimonials on why it's bad for you. I'm sick hearing about ALL of them. I'm gonna just eat whatever I want and die whenever and however I do. None of you idiots know anything that isn't gonna be contradicted or proven false eventually. The only fact that's real, is that if you eat ANYTHING you will eventually die. I will never listen to any "diet" crap any more. I came across this video from one person screaming how great this "diet" is and someone else warning how terrible it is. SCREW YOU BOTH!!!
I think the main issue that informed doctors are nervous about keto, is the lack of long term studies showing improved outcomes. It’s wonderful to use a diet and get some short term benefits-so yes, let’s champion healing for sure! But we also have to be aware of the unintended long-term effects of certain diets, and when that’s the focus, keto is indeed very scary.
I had a miscarriage in June. I decided it was my weight. So I tried a couple weeks of keto and went to the doctor. My blood pressure was high and my heart randomly hurt. I have now been plant based vegan for two months and have lost weight and my blood pressure is in the normal range. Now after doing tons of research there is no way I would go back.
Considering it typically takes 3-5 months to become fat adapted, I'd say your 'couple of weeks of keto' was not keto.
Your problem wasn't caused by the ketogenic diet.
sarah littrell I’m so sorry to hear of your loss and wish you blessings in the future my friend.
Nothing beats a whole food focused, plant based and vegan lifestyle. 👌
I haven’t eaten meat in 13 years and I’ve been vegan for 7 years. I regularly get my blood work checked and it is consistently perfect. I get sick extremely rarely and I easily stay lean and have plenty of energy for the gym.
I always cook at home, we have a wide variety of yummy meals, that even non vegan friends come over and always love the food and are surprised that they didn’t miss the animal products. I am certainly not afraid of carbs, I love fruit but I also love stuff like lasagna, pastas, Indian, Thai, casseroles, sushi, burgers, pizza..you get the idea.
I’m also in my 30’s and I have difficulty at work getting some clients to take me seriously, because they assume in 23. I had a woman the other day call me “sweetie” and say things like “oh you’ve got your whole 20’s ahead of you”.
Congrats on your vegan journey too! 😄
I am so sorry for your loss and blessings for you. But it's not the keto but not enough meat. research it that women are able to conceive and keep their pregnancy after going carnivore. Blessings on your journey.
Its very likely you were experiencing an electrolyte imbalance, a common early side effect while getting fat adapted if your diet isn't in check.
Your video on bone broth made me vegan! I had bought a slow cooker to make bone broth, I did some research in RUclips to find some recipes and boom! Your video was on the list. After that video I found out your channel and other vegan channels. You made a difference in my life, thanks!
awesome!!!
Welcome to the bright side :D
Same happened to me. I actually noticed decreased health, the more bone broth and fat I consumed, then I went Vegan.
awesome! similar happened with me, i was arguing with someone on FB that bone broth is some magic elixir, that person directed me to Mike's video debunking it and 2 weeks later i was a vegan lol, and that's after a year of paleo/keto nonsense!
You can still use your slow cooker to make beans and vegan stew and chilli mmmmmmm
A proper keto diet is mostly low carb veggies, moderate/low protein and healthy fats. A lot of people do “dirty” keto, eating tons of bacon, cheese, processed meat and wonder why they feel like crap. The same can happen with a “dirty” vegan diet. People need to do more research before drastically changing their eating habits.
Jethro Tool amen brother...
The misconceptions that this video is based on are fucking infuriating. Keto isn't all meat all the time. Why is it constantly being talked about like one?
because some RADICAL Vegans or whoever have some twisted agenda to bash this way of eating.. HEY if you want to be Vegan.. fine. I care about animals as well and humane farming AND The environment.. (Study PERMACULTURE btw). This is about eating more fat.. not more animals. GEESH!
mic is debunking the magic pill documentary.. where does he make the assumption that the keto diet is exclusively meat only?
Jethro Tool so true...I eat keto and I do it without dairy. I am actually able to afford grass fed organic meats now because I eat more fat, and thus I eat less meat. I eat more veggies as well 7-10 cups a day. I eat seed bread, and nuts and stay in ketosis just fine. Oh, and eggs from a local farm! I cringe seeing ppl eating keto going to fast food places....the vegetable oils are highly processed and do cause heart disease and other health problems. Whole food in any diet is a must for health.
I am a type 2 diabetic who has tried many diets to try to get my blood sugars under control. I ate a vegan diet for 6 months, I lost 17 pounds, but my blood sugars were all over the place. I was really into it and very strict. Eating whole foods and limiting sugar... but I wasn't getting better. My A1C was worse than before. It went from a 7.2 to 8.4 when tested after the 6 months. My cholesterol also went from 187 to 221 in the same time frame. I loved being on a vegan diet and felt that it should be the best for my health, for the animals, and for the environment... and I was SO discouraged that my health wasn't getting better.
I have now been eating a keto diet for 4 weeks. I have lost 36 pounds. My doctor, who was concerned about this way of eating, as was I, wanted to closely monitor me for the first few months. I haven't had my A1C rechecked yet, nor my cholesterol, but I have been taken off of all insulin (was on 45 units a day of Toujeo) and down from 1500mg of Metformin to 500mg daily. I don't know why it's working, but so far it seems to be going well. The only down fall is that I don't like eating this way. I prefer the vegan diet, but it didn't work for me.
Hi., Hope you doing fine. Are you still on the keto diet?
Would like to aks: did you had a hard transition time to keto?
For me, my digestion does not work good on keto or paleo. And on 75% fat-20 protein and 5% KH I did keto but got soo sick. Hair Loss. I took lot of electrolytes and vegetables... But strange digestion and I really became to smell very bad.
So annoying. Because my pains vanish... Hope to hear if you had symptoms in the beginning.. Thanks
Yes I would also not prefer this diet. But I do what works best.;)
"I have now been eating a keto diet for 4 weeks. I have lost 36 pounds" - you owe it to humanity to offer yourself to science lol.
I've been on keto 8 months now and it completely changed my life down 70 pounds and blood pressure went down by 40 plus no more inflammation and pain in the joints I only eat low carb veggies and sometimes beans
Vegan keto?
@@starcatcher3691 If that's what you want to call it not against eating vegetables I just think some vegetables are better than others I had to pick up on some carbs because I can't stop losing weight
It’s a body hack. What were you eating prior to? I’m assuming a lot of processed foods so yeah keto will make you feel better but it’s dangerous to your health in a long run. Good luck mate! Congrats on the weight loss!
@@olya718 Yes it wasn't the best start using sweeteners like monk fruit I'm not saying This is the correct lifestyle but it's a good Start and I believe in the long term it will be better quality vegetables and some meets a and less processed foods obviously Thanks again mate
@@olya718 Yep. It amazes me how people don't get it, going from a junk food diet, with or without meat, then switching to a non junk food diet, will produce results. All that fat though with low fiber, good luck with that in the long term, you'll need it.
I watch a LOT of these food documentaries. The funny thing is, and I think it's something we can all agree on, is that the vast majority of them share the same messages:
Processed foods are bad. Dairy is bad.
R Houck And vegetables are good, especially coloured ones.
R Houck Yes, that is true but these people are absolutely pushing vegan/vegetarian/grain based/plant based eating with the force of great zealousness and they aren’t particularly nice about it a lot of time and especially when other people tell them their experience is that those things just don’t work well for them, and science backs a lot of that up. Different people need different fuel. And there are cultures that eat a lot of dairy and feel good and do well so lets leave the alone.
@@tedmom3029I doubt that. I've only met 1 overly zealous vegan my entire life and majority of vegans I know don't talk about it much so that you wouldn't know they were vegan until it came to the dinner table.
Second excluding food allergies there is no credible science that back up that certain foods are good for some people and others not. We are all humans
Lucky you for not being around zealous vegetarians/vegans but I have been. I have also been around a lot of very nice ones who don’t make a big deal about their choices and appreciated how they handle their preferences. - As to your second statement, there are certainly people who don’t tolerate gluten, some to the extreme and some in milder forms. That is certainly not a food allergy. There are many who don’t tolerate cruciform like broccoli/cauliflower/kale ether because they are gas producing or because they have medications that contradict their use. There are lots of people who don’t tolerate strawberries or nut because of digestive/gut problems. I don’t know why you find it so unbelievable that people have different food needs. Science has clearly proven that different areas of the world have different microbes and people living there are adapted to those and when they move elsewhere, they can have problems adjusting, or not adjust at all. You simply haven’t read widely enough about how people have adapted genetically over hundreds years to accommodate what is available to them ...
Raw dairy has many nutrients
William Davis "wheat is the perfect obeseogen perfectly crafted to make you fat"
Has a triple chin
Chad Randazzo I know right
Never trust anyone who tells you bacon is better for you than a banana.
my favorite quote from the movie was when they were talking about saturated fat intake in a study and they said something like "saturated fat is liked to heart disease but when you eat more saturated fat the saturated fat in your blood goes down" huh?.
Yes it works like that . If you eat it our body makes less cholesterol.
That was weird. Saturated fat increase serum cholesterol and for people eating the diets that we have clear data on, high LDL is THE main CAUSAL factor in heart disease. But it's easy for people to get confused about serum cholesterol because of the flaws in so many studies. For example, what you are saying DOES appear to be true in studies that are contaminated by restriction of range issues (no large group with truly healthy LDL levels) or in studies contaminated by reverse causality (lower LDL IS sometimes found to be associated with higher mortality in the ELDERLY because several diseases and conditions that lower LDL also increase mortality). However, when you overcome those problems and study a population with a wide range of LDL levels, you see a clear trend, with higher LDL going hand in hand with more arterial plaque:
See: www.onlinejacc.org/content/70/24/2979 and particularly the very clear trend graph
That's cross-sectional, but what about experimental studies? The pattern across statin studies that lowered LDL a LOT is that both degree of plaque and major CVD events declined as LDL levels went down, and got towards the truly healthy range (apparently under 67, but a little higher may be fine too when people aren't eating an artery-damaging diet). See the trend line regarding the statin trials:
www.onlinejacc.org/content/43/11/2142
That study also points out that an LDL of around 35-70 appears to be normal for mammals without heart disease, as indicated by the LDL levels of free-ranging mammals, newborn humans, and hunter-gatherer tribes, many of whom have TOTAL cholesterol levels under 130.
Other types of studies confirm a causal role for elevated LDL in the development of heart disease. First, a study of miscarried fetuses showed that those whose mothers had higher LDL had more plaque in their arteries. Finally, genetic variations that give most individuals (but not all) an LDL level in the healthy range wiped out 88% of expected heart disease, despite unhealthy diets, obesity, diabetes, and smoking:
Ference BA, Yoo W, Alesh I, Mahajan N, Mirowska KK, Mewada A, Kahn J, Afonso L, Williams KA Sr, Flack JM. Effect of long-term exposure to lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol beginning early in life on the risk of coronary heart disease: a Mendelian randomization analysis. J Am Coll Cardiol. 2012 Dec 25;60(25):2631-9.
Cohen JC, Boerwinkle E, Mosley TH Jr, Hobbs HH. Sequence variations in PCSK9, low LDL, and protection against coronary heart disease. N Engl J Med. 2006 Mar 23;354(12):1264-72.
Critically, that research establishes that even when people have diets and lifestyles that SHOULD HAVE caused more heart disease, elevated LDL is the critical key without which heart disease doesn't develop. Other research shows that both large fluffy and small dense particles are atherogenic (large fluffy are only about 1/3rd less atherogenic for men and women alike). Finally, oxidized cholesterol is terribly harmful/atherogenic, and unfortunately, exposure to air or light as well as cooking and reheating meat leftovers all produce oxidized cholesterol. So the odds of eating high cholesterol foods and not consuming oxidized cholesterol are lousy.
Then there are the clinical trials in which serious heart disease was stopped and reversed in people with a history of serious heart disease and rates of CVD events were dropped to zero or close to zero using diets that are VERY low in fat (~10% of calories) and have ZERO cholesterol. No diets with higher fat content or dietary cholesterol have achieved similar outcomes. For example, see:
dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf
www.dresselstyn.com/Esselstyn_Three-case-reports_Exp-Clin-Cardiol-July-2014.pdf
Significantly, in an earlier 12-year study, Esselstyn succeeded in stopping heart disease in its tracks for a population of older people who had serious heart disease by using a very low fat whole food vegan diet (and statins for some to get LDL low enough), but that diet did NOT limit sugar. This indicates that sugar is not such a problem for heart disease IF people are eating very little fat, getting LDL very low, and are eating lots of anti-inflammatory whole plant foods.
www.dresselstyn.com/site/study02/
One very long-term study followed people for an average duration of 26.8 years with an starting age of 42, and clearly found stepwise increases in CVD and CHD deaths with higher LDL levels, and also found higher all-cause mortality for groups with above 100 LDL than for those with under 100 LDL. Those relationships would have likely been even stronger had they controlled for reverse causality (some diseases/conditions that kill us lower LDL first), and had they focused on people who got LDL levels under 70 with healthy living/diet.
www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.118.034273
It's super-easy to get confused about cholesterol because there are more weak "no-relationship, no harm" correlational studies out there than there are higher-quality studies that pin down the real nature of the relationship. Also, most studies have terrible restriction of range issues and don’t have a large population with truly healthy LDL levels-around 35-70. But people WANT to believe it’s not a problem, so they pay attention to the weaker “no harm” studies and ignore the stronger studies showing that elevated LDL IS a problem.
I’ve seen one informal on-line analysis concluding that for people eating more than 2.3 eggs a week, arterial plaque went down as LDL went up, but until we have evidence you can eliminate heart disease with higher LDL and a bunch of weekly eggs (as you can with a very low fat whole food plant-based diet), the safer route is to get LDL down to around 35-70 eating lots of whole plant foods and little dietary fat.
To be sure, improving endothelial functioning is still beneficial for reducing CVD, but if you get LDL low enough, plaques stop forming even with a crappy diet and lifestyle.
Take care.
@@karlwheatley1244 Nothing remotely weird about it, but there you go again, so fully subscribed to the ridiculous dogma that ignorantly assumes eating fat causes blood lipids to rise. It does not, unless you are also consuming a massive load of processed carbohydrates. The body is not a drain pipe. Putting fat in, which is biologically required, doesn’t cause lipids to rise. Eating carbs which SHUTS DOWN ONES ABILITY TO BURN FAT does!!!
@@Photologistic Thanks for your reply.
Yes, fats ARE required by the body, and we should eat quality fats when we eat them--meaning both the fats that meet nutritional needs and that don't cause harm. However, the body doesn't require that we eat MUCH fat: The post WWII Okinawans, the world's second longest lived formally-studied population, ate only 6% of calories from fat. The diets that have achieved the best and most lasting results for stopping and reversing heart disease have had around 10% calories from fat.
"Putting fat in...doesn’t cause lipids to rise." I apologize for pointing this out, but experimental research clearly shows that is false. Take someone eating a very low fat whole food diet, let's say 10% of calories from fat and 3% from saturated fat, and increase their fat consumption to 30% calories from fat and 10% from saturated fat, and their LDL levels rise substantially.
This was established empirically decades ago. To be sure, if someone has super-high LDL levels, then, like adding water to an overflowing bucket, a little more fat won't make much difference.
However, that that person who eats lots of saturated fat and has unnaturally-high LDL levels and replace some of the saturated fat in their diet and their LDL levels drop. In fact, you can make LDL levels drop like a rock if you take someone with LDL levels at 100 or higher and put them on a very low fat WFPB diet. For example, in one study, diabetics went on a totally plant-based diet with 73% calories from WHOLE FOOD carbs, and not only di they get their blood glucose levels under control, they dropped their LDL from 102 to 62 in just 3 weeks.
" It does not, unless you are also consuming a massive load of processed carbohydrates.? No, simply eating fat, of even injecting fat into the bloodstream not only makes LDL levels rise (or stay unnaturally high), it also creates insulin resistance and carbohydrate intolerance. We've known the latter point for almost a century.
I'm sorry the sites you are on are not telling you the whole story.
Take care.
I've been intermittent fasting for over a year and doing keto for 6 months now. I went from 180 lbs to 161 lbs.
I also was on statin drugs, asthma meds, aspirin regiment for my heart palpitations, and advair to backup my asthma.
I am completely medication free and never felt better.
I no longer get acid reflux, and I haven't had an allergy attack this season......so far, by now I would've taken a whole bottle of allergy pills.
Keto is also whole foods. So what hes trying to say is that high fat may help, but whole foods vegan is the best way in the long run, whole food vegan is a lifestyle and keto is a diet
When you go keto, you also give up a lot of crappy stuff--milk, refined sugar, white flour, often vegetable oil--and fasting has additional health benefits in its own right. So yes, many people will notice improvements, *but* using the typical US diet as the standard of comparison is setting the bar ridiculously low. It's like saying you can pedal your tricycle faster than a pogo stick. You need to see how keto stacks up against WFPB, not the SAD. WFPB is the Ferrari of healthy eating. Don't be content with outperforming a pogo stick.
I’m an RN and I’m seeing patients with the same amazing results!
@Jamie Rivet You don't understand Keto. You see I have tried to look at keto and vegan diets, but vegans are always distorting the hell of Keto which makes me lean towards it more. In Keto you eat high amounts of vegetables and healthy organic. You can eat processed foods as a vegan too and get sickness and cancer. Keto or veganism doesn't specify the sources of food.
It's funny that the Keto diet "Magic Pill" ad has mostly fruits and vegetables coming out of it. Guess it looks better than cut up animals.
why are they showing fruits like apples while recommending a keto diet... wtf you cant be on keto eating apples
I think it's all marketing to draw in the health food documentary types. It actually looks like another vegan health doc, just glancing at the poster.
It's maddening to think that the average American will see this documentary, and think that it's impossible to know what is actually healthy, so I'll eat what I want. So much conflicting information! Sewing doubt or controversy is what tobacco companies did with their products. This strategy is just being duplicated with animal products, just on a larger scale.
@Ozzy Girl
There is a fantastic book/docu about that subject called Merchants of Doubt.
They use the same tactics for climate change, politics, etc.
The role of veges in low-carb dogma is practically inconsequential, as the focus is simply shifting blame off of saturated fat & cholesterol (AKA animals) and onto carbohydrates usually by some form of inflammation hypotheses (that is not widely supported by science either).
You will see different sectors with widely varying individual dietary recommendations but they'll borrow/share the same cherry-picked studies or "experts" and sometimes will even freely dip into pseudoscience under the 'holistic' medicine label as an adjunct.
You can see similar variation in veganism, like raw fruitinarians, vegan """keto""", etc, but the strongest scientific basis is firmly under the whole food, plant-based (+ a general low-fat stipulation).
Been on keto for the last 9 months. Down 65 lbs, my mental acuity seems way sharper, my constipation is a dim memory, and my joints including my back don't hurt anymore. Eat what you want but keto works for me.
Keto-ers just do it for their own aesthetics.
While veganism is about realizing what torture the (now dead) animals went through and suggesting people do what is better for the animals, our poor Earth and their long term health.
It is like seeing someone kick a dog and asking someone to stop. I trust you would do the same.
Good for you that you feel better. But have you done any blood work? Keto dieters tend to report what you said, but their blood work and especially their blood lipids tend to be horrible.
That you would lose weight on a keto diet is a non brainer. This. however. says nothing about how healthy the diet ist.
@@cstuartdc But blood lipids is one of the most important metrics when it comes to health and keto dieters tend to have unhealthy blood lipids, especially LDL..
Can you explain to me how you ate on FOK and why you couldn't do aerobics? Really interested.
Just because some metrics improved, doesn't mean the diet is healthy. Your blood sugar and blood pressure is down? I'm happy for you. But you should get general blood work done and see how your blood lipids and vitamin/mineral levels are. Keto restrics many food groups and thus increases the likelihood of vitamin/mineral deficiencies. The ketogenic diet is not backed by medical science and should only be done carefully.
@@cstuartdc *medical science backs whole food plant based diets, not vegan diets. There is a large difference. Basically, those people who eat the most unrefined plant foods have the best long term health outcomes.
Its great that you eat those vegetables, but on a ketogenic diet you're restricted when it comes to eating those foods since you have a carb limit of about 50 g/day. How many carbs do you eat max per day?
Berries tend to have to many carbs for a ketogenic diet.
Could you still pls describe what actual foods you ate? I mean, did you eat plenty of vegetables and legumes, how about nuts? I'm really interested in that.
Whole food plant based diets are anti inflammatory, so it's weird that you had problems with inflammation.
@@cstuartdc Perhaps it was.....Satan
Sorry you are wrong on eggs spiking cholesterol. My cholesterol went down going on keto and eating 4 whole eggs everyday. Maybe it will spike depending on what other foods you are eating. Example if you are stuffing your face with fast carbs, sweets, flour, bread and pasta yes your cholesterol will spike but not because of the eggs but the cholesterol your own body produces from glucose.
Does NOT promote high protein (meat) that is a lie.
In 12 weeks Keto cured my diabetes, my heart markers are better than ever. Lost 42 pounds, and by the way I am 70.
That's good for you: I hope you can maintain the weight loss over the long haul, because that's key for the improvements you've seen in diabetes and LDL numbers. Please understand Judy that you are on a vegan channel, so it's looks pretty high meat from that perspective. I'm always curious when people go down that path, were you able to get your LDL down under 70? Take care.
Karl Wheatley you and I both know dietary cholesterol does not affect blood cholesterol. If my body needs more cholesterol it will make it.
What credentials does this guy have?
"you and I both know dietary cholesterol does not affect blood cholesterol. If my body needs more cholesterol it will make it." Yes and no. Yes, the body can and will make all the cholesterol you need, and it will even reduce its production of cholesterol SOMEWHAT if you add dietary cholesterol to a diet that previously had none. However, despite misleading Egg Board studies, we've know for more than a quarter century that adding dietary cholesterol markedly increases serum cholesterol levels if you start out with people who eat no or very little dietary cholesterol to begin with. Better EXPERIMENTAL studies clearly show this cholesterol-raising effect, though the effect become less dramatic the more cholesterol one was already consuming, so someone who was consuming zero cholesterol will see a big spike in cholesterol if they add 500 mg a day (~23 points increase), whereas someone who was already eating 300 mg a day will see a much smaller spike (~11 points). See Figure 2 in the classic Hopkins study:
citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549.6029&rep=rep1&type=pdf
In reality, the LDL-raising effects of added dietary cholesterol may be even larger if you start with people with very healthy LDL levels (
I'm sorry to say. I was depressed for 20-30 years, I can't really tell when it started, just that I realized, everything wasn't as colourful as it used to be. Keto literally made it go away for me within a week. My life was ruined by depression, I'm 35 and never held a job for long. More than 10 grams of carbs, even from fruit or dairy fuck me up and I return to bad mood, laziness, disinterest in my environment, not going outside, and giving in to my addictions. High fat made the anxiety go away after keto. I have a spine now, can say no, don't cry when confronted with stressors. I can focus and see my projects through.
If you eat excessive amounts of protein on a low/no carb diet your body will convert the excess protein into glucose which is why Dr. Shaun Baker that you mentioned has the issues he has. That didn’t really prove anything. You have to keep your macros in balance on keto. It’s super low carb, high fat, moderate protein.
it was one guy which is why he also brought up the other study. fats are broken into glucose too so idk why you would bring that part up
@@statisticallysupportedanal1896That's 5% glucose from breaking up fat, not too much!
“The people claiming that the Okinawan traditional diet has barely any meat are basing that on a survey done in 1949 done right after the war decimated the Okinawan pig population by 90% and Okinawan people were starving. Dr. Shunichi Kimura wrote in his 1988 book Meat and Health that the 100 year old Okinawans were eating as much as 3 times the pork of other regions in Japan. A 1992 study specifically found that Japanese centenarians ate much more animal protein than the average Japanese person.” Joseph Everett
I would be very happy if you can debunk this rebuttal as well. Seems like the Okinawa diet argument is factually wrong and in fact they eat a lot of pork and saturated fat.
This film really comes off as a parody of What The Health
Ian Campbell minus reputable Doctors or science
+ *Leif D* So more of a Bizarro World version of What the Health.
My friend's son is on a vegan keto for epilepsy so still no need to have animal products.
TwoSnakes OneSword exactly
soy sages
Nobody did that
brentprodz it works regardless if it's plant based or not. You guys act like a cult.
Spencer Mars so pointing out the science is cult behavior? Lol
@soy sages... yes right, but the reason a keto diet works for epilepsy is actually because the brain works waay worse on ketone bodies than on glucose. If you have faulty neurons that keep self-exciting and cause chaos (electric storm, epilepsy), then you actually want that particular neuron not be so easily excited. The way to do that? Either drugs or food that slow the brain down.
So for healthy people, ketone bodies are not good for the brain. Combined with the higher saturated fat and often cholesterol intake, it leads to higher risk of both vascular and alzheimer dementia, worse cognition, lower focus and mental performance etc. etc.
This dude is that meme where the one guy says the sky is blue and the other says "source??"
1. Plentiful fruits, vegetables, legumes, grains;
2. Olive oil as the principal fat;
3. Lean red meat consumed only a few times per month
or in very small portions;
4. Low to moderate daily consumption of dairy
products;
5. Poultry, fish and eggs consumed a couple of times
per week; and
6. Moderate consumption of wine.
My three-year-old daughter is epileptic and is currently being evaluated for autism. Her seizures were uncontrolled until our whole family went vegan in November. She doesn’t eat HCLF but she’s definitely not LCHF either. She hasn’t had a seizure since going vegan. She’s talking more (something she wasn’t doing before) and just a completely different and happier kid. If that’s not enough for me to raise my family vegan, nothing will be. Thanks for the info. Great video!
Alethea Riojas that's fantastic that your daughter has improved so much!!!!!!! Good for you for going vegan! I imagine how many mental and physical disorders would go away or vastly improve with a healthy diet.
Sidilicious Exactly! We actually went vegan because my husband’s doctor recommended the Engine 2 diet for him. He’s overweight and type II diabetic. His blood results came back pretty bad and his doctor wanted to see if it’s genetic (diabetes runs strongly in his family) or if he’s just doing a crap job taking care of himself. Turned out to be the latter. All of his numbers improved and his in the pre-diabetic category rather than diabetic. It’s pretty amazing.
Alethea Riojas !!!!❤️!!!!
Alethea Riojas
My grandmother cured her diabetes by going low carb. Her doctor was so impressed with her. He also said that "genetic excuse" is for letting lazy people off the hook who don't want to stop eating all those unhealthy processed carbs.
Tom Jones That’s fantastic! I 100% agree with you. My husband likes to use that “genetic” excuse, but I don’t believe that.
Ugh I always cringe when I see people recommending keto diets. Thanks for this video.
I cringe at vegan "ethics"
But luckily you're a small small percentage
Jason Dokos we're growin there boyo watch out 🤣
Jason Dokos, it's not "vegan "ethics"", it's just "ethics"...
luckily for who?
Jason wants someone to tell him it is okay to torture animals. So he came to a vegan video. Nice logic.
Don’t understand what the big fuss is about I did keto + intermittent fasting for a month and a half and I lost 36 pounds
This guy is the classic pitch man.. selling 'magic sponges' at the county fair... fast talking (and fast visuals) so you can't focus on what he is saying... for a reason? Sounds like a shill... for.... ?
Gotta move fast when debunking Keto cult nonsense because there's so much of it.
I’ve been on a keto program for 9 months. I had stomach issues I was told would require daily meds and possibly surgery and I was having pain in my Achilles’ tendons and knees. Also I have been a compulsive overeater for 35 years. My first month of keto my stomach and joint issues are gone. By six weeks in when I got fat adapted my urge to binge eat and my late night sugar cravings ended. And I lost 59 pounds. I have the best blood work and blood pressure numbers of my life. My energy and performance in the gym is better than ever. Do your own research and find what works for you.
I have had similar results.. thanks!!!
Agreed!!!
Agreed
It won't work in the long run
Thats great...this Vegan moron needs to get his head out of his ass.
I started Keto and in 2 months my blood pressure dropped from 154/90 to 127/84. My cholesterol went down, my other lipid panel went down, I lost weight, and felt more rested because I could sleep. I'm not saying Keto is the only answer, but it is an answer. Just like eating Vegan would be. I was vegetarian for 4 month, and then vegan for 8. I have just felt continuously better the more care and energy, and thought I put into my self care. Please people, keep your mind open, and do what's best for you.
There are many ways to improve biomarkers in the short run (as you did), especially if you experience short-term weight loss, but many of those paths are not healthy in the long run.
You'd surely be open to a debate with Dr. Jason Fung, right? I mean, you're a doctor who has treated thousands of patients successfully, right? STFU with your agenda driven bullshit.
Hi. Great. Did you had a hard transition time to keto? And still on keto?
For me, my digestion does not work on keto or paleo. And on 75% fat-20 protein and 5% KH I did keto but got soo sick. Hair Loss. I took lot of electrolytes and vegetables... But strange digestion and I really became to smell very bad.
So annoying. Because my pains vanish... Hope to hear.
@@karlwheatley1244 you know what you forgot to do? Explain why you think what you said is true.
@@BrodyYYC "you know what you forgot to do? Explain why you think what you said is true." OK, I'll explain. I'm a university professor and researcher and part of what I research and teach about is healthy nutrition and how people get confused about it. So, what does the best big-picture research show? Most people will feel great on a wide variety of diets in the short run because they cut out.cut down on processed foods that are hard on your body and lost weight, and losing weight improves your BP, A1c, and usually your LDL.
However, in complex systems. many things that feel effective in the short run backfire badly in the long run. Thus, the farming methods and teaching methods that seem most effective in the short run for raising crop yield and test scores backfire badly in the long run. Ditto for economic policies and many diets.
In the case of keto, people who struggled to get their glucose levels under control finally get them under control because they stop eating virtually all carbs. However, they still have insulin resistance and carb intolerance, and are masking that fact by eating a super low carb diet. Please notice that a very low fat WFPB diet with lots of fiber can get glucose levels under control AND reverse insulin resistance and get rid of carb intolerance. So the first big difference is the VLF WFPB route resolves all the problems of diabetes while keto only solve one. The second big difference is that while VLF WFPB diets have been shown to be super healthy in the long run, keto diets have no record of long-term safety or efficacy (meaning across decades).
The human body did not evolve to be in ketosis constantly, and was not in ketosis constantly. Generic high-fat diets have been found to create high levels of methyl glyoxal, a potent AGE. which is very unhealthy. Keto folks will continue to be excited about the short-term benefits of the diet, but there's no evidence it is safe or effective in the long run.
You're talking a lot about studies. It'd be interesting to hear you explane mechanisms. The doctors that promote the keto diet accually explane the chemistry and biology of a keto diet in great detail. Could you do the same please?
Go onto Nutritionfacts.org. You'll love it!
@@iburger2177 doesn't help
You mean explain? Hard to take your argument very seriously when you're saying "explane" lol
I also would like a scientific explanation of how the vegan diet is beneficial. Please don’t cite just epidemiological studies that show very minor correlation. I’m open to having my mind changed but the vegan argument is always like this “We all know studies say saturated fats are bad, we all know you can prevent heart disease by eating plant based.” Not a whole lot of substance.
@@melissanoelle410 Mic has a lot of amazing videos explaining why a primarily whole-foods, plant-based diet is best.
Carbs: A Level-Headed Look at the Research --> ruclips.net/video/MyOACAdvAsE/видео.html ... main take away: de novo lipogenesis (fat creation from carbs) is metabolically inefficient and a terrible evolutionary strategy.
Humans Are Starchivores --> ruclips.net/video/vHfbqodBXdw/видео.html ... main take away: we have salivary amylase that helps us break down starch in the mouth.
Either way, scientific hierarchy places epidemiology above mechanisms and that's because the latter are irrelevant if no clinical effects (symptoms, complications) are observed, which is the case with mostly plant-based populations such as the Okinawans and Seventh Day Adventists (particularly the vegan ones). Granted there are many other factors affecting their health and longevity such as activity levels and healthy social circles, but the fact that they sustain a whole-foods, plant-based diet and live so long and healthy should be enough to debunk most arguments against a vegan diet.
Someone I know, who ironically owns a meat market, was struggling with cancer. Nothing was working but his doctor told him that switching to a vegan diet might save him. He switched to vegan, and his cancer went into remission. He's still alive today, and still owns the meat market.
Not high protein. Not "tons" of pasture raised beef. No verifiable, replicated, correlation, between cholesterol and heart disease. Anectodally, I have struggled with Insulin resistance, infertility, food addiction, binge eating, anorexia, and many maladies that have disappeared in ketosis. I was vegan/vegetarian for 15 years and was miserable for most of it. Much of your quoted research/opinion is flawed. I eat minimal meat protein, I do consume an avocado, and mct oil daily, as well as 7-10 cups of greens, vegetables. You need more research and to follow someone who is really doing a healthy keto lifestyle. I personally know around 10 people whose life has dramatically changed living keto. Not sure why you seem so angry that so many are finding health and hope.
Martha Guyton
Your story is similar to ours. I also got cancer and nearly died twice from infections while vegan.
Tom Jones Hope you are better now!?
Just like Dr. Greger says, people love to hear good new about their bad habits. smh.... People can convince themselves of anything.
Same in reverse for vegans
Yeah. There used to be cigarettes that were good for asthma. The had menthol, that's why ;-)
Vegans just accept the standard dogma, without question.
@Kevin Mathew Food is medicine. We should not stick to any isms.
No one said it is bad to base your diet on plant foods, any good diet does that. But to avoid animal fats like ghee, eggs, and milk - especially for developing children is very problematic.
Food should never be a religion, it should be practical and health-sustaining and adapted for the individual and the life situation.
Dr Greger the one with dementia...yep
My high meat ketogenic diet reversed my prediabetes, lowered my blood pressure to normal, my Rosecea is gone, my Degenerative Disc Disease in my neck no longer causes me pain and there is proof on my x-rays that I have improvement, my life long suicidal depression went away, my anxiety is almost non-existent, my seasonal allergies are gone as are my migraine headaches. I can't say enough good things about the Keto/Carnivore diet and I believe it saved my life. I was a Vegan, it is an ethical diet, not one for health... you do whatever you want but I will NEVER be Vegan (or even vegetarian) ever again. It simply isn't a complete diet not matter how many tons of supplements you choke down.
Thanks for sharing your story. It baffles me that were trying to pretend a Vegan diet is better for you than ketogenic. To be clear, I wish a vegan diet was the healthiest, I have tremendous respect for people who are vegan for ethical and sustainable reasons, I did it myself (albeit only for about 4 months). I suspect keto isn't for everyone depending on their ancestry and their bodies ability to deal with high levels of carbohydrates. However, you can't argue with results. I've never felt better in my life, physically AND mentally as you describe. I feel incredible, oh and my cholesterol is super high, but it turns out there's no evidence that high cholesterol actually leads to heart disease. Wild! I especially love how Mic talks about how people who went keto also got rid of processed foods and that's why they get healthy. You mean like everyone that goes vegan? How come the vegan diet is one of the only diets you have to supplement vitamins in order to be healthy? Again, I'm all for ethical and sustainable conversations and I'm even open to people suggesting we should sacrifice some of our health for the planet. But the idea that Keto = bad and vegan = good for your health is 100% ABSURD.
Its complete for me eating whole foods
As a vegan for 12 years, the only supplements I take are B12 and sometimes vitamin D, just in case since I live in a place that doesn’t always have sunshine. Eating high carb and low fat most of the time has kept me feeling energetic and healthy. I eat as much as I want to.
I have had intestinal issues for as long as I can remember. I have tried all sorts of prescription and non-prescription meds and tons of Metamucil and Kefir and such things. Each time, I was good for maybe 2 weeks and then the GI problems start again. I went on Primal Blueprint 1.5 years ago and it helped but still did not cure me... as I was eating a ton of fruits. I started Keto at end of Oct. 2018, cut out all the sugars, not for weight loss but for memory improvement (old age...) and guess what... GI issue fixed, more energy all day, feel great, no regrets, life is good!!
The vlogger is young, his body can handle a ton of crap. Looking back, it is scary the amount of junk I ate at his age. Just wait until he's in his mid 40's or like me, mid 50's and see how it goes. It just might catch up.
Now some will say this Keto will kill you... so be it, though I hardly think so. I am quite happy with higher HDL and LDL and lower Total Ratio and lower Triglycerides. But if Keto does take me out a few years earlier than expected, so be it, I am 1000% ok with it. I rather have a huge improvement in current quality of life than to worry if I will die when I'm 85 or 90.
Bananiac should look back when he's 55 and have a rethink...
My 2 cents...
If you have intestinal issues, grains should be avoided
It's possible to give up sugar w/o going keto. Why credit keto? Giving up sugar, processed foods and losing weight or maintaining a healthy weight, will make a anyone feel great. Keto, aka, fat, has nothing to do with it. Fat provides energy with no nutritional value. Sugar provides energy with no nutritional factor. Giving up sugar is great. Replacing it with fat, not so much. That fat will catch up with you. I'm extremely dedicated to my health which has led to a massive science habit. Full on addiction to microbiome studies. I read them all. Day after day is another study about meat digesting bacteria producing toxins that lead to artery deterioration and heart disease. Veganism is an ethical lifestyle that just so happens to coincide with a very healthy diet when eating whole foods. Ethics aside, I know many healthy people who are plant based and eat pasture raised, grass fed meat in small amounts. Fiber is the key to a healthy microbiome and the microbiome controls everything. I'm glad you are enjoying the benefits of giving up sugar but sincerely hope for your sake you read the science and replace some of that fat with more veg and some fruit. Heart disease will suck that quality of life up real fast.
One benefit no meat or fat heavy diet can claim is anti-aging, clearly, since they are basically the opposite of that. Let me tell you what feels great. I'll be 49 this year and look 35. My first powerlifting competition is in August. After that I'll go to the National Championships. I've got my eyes on a few records and the World Championships next year or 2. I've never eaten meat. I'm not vegan, currently I'm 95% plant based. I use cane sugar and healthy fats in moderation. I used to eat pasture raised eggs daily, but have been off them for a month, have been eating a lot more fruit and my creatinine level went from .99 to .87. I'm very lean with a lot of muscle with kidney damage from prescribed ibuprofen for endometriosis, so I'm pretty excited to see that drop. Blood sugar dropped as well even though I've added more sugar in the form of fruits and a lot of them. Not sure if eggs will reappear in moderation, for now I don't miss them. I eat fish a couple times a month, the rest is plant protein and yet I'm stronger with more muscle mass than the majority of meat eaters at any age, much less at my age. Amazing what happens when your entire diet is antioxidents.
I’ll continue to eat sustainable minimally processed low carb high fat. No wheat, sugar, Monsanto glyphosate, inflammatory PUSFA such as soy oil or Canola for me thanks.
Only inflammatory SFAs for you.
The fact that they are saturated means no double bonds to break and cause free radical damage/inflammation. Saturated fats are far more stable. Brush up on your chemistry. The only damaging saturated fats are artificially created saturated fats from unsaturated fats. (hydrogenated/trans fats) The shape is a mirror image with natural saturated cis fats and do not function the same in the body for example when they are incorporated in a cell membrane the permeability is not the same.
LOL, I was a vegetarian from the time I was 7 years old, to the time I was 19. I ballooned up to 230lbs, no matter how hard I tried to cut calories or fats, I just could never stick to a 'healthy' diet plan, even as a vegetarian. I finally just lost my damn mind from the perspective of most of you on this page, and went on Atkins. I lost 120lbs on a low-carb diet, got rid of my Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, my good cholesterol went up, my bad cholesterol went down, my liver function tests are consistently perfect now, my high blood pressure is gone, and I feel fantastic. I'm sorry but I'm never, NEVER going back. I will never eat rice and potatoes again.
Good luck. I'm always curious about people who go down your path: Were you able to get your LDL into the healthy range (under 70), the range at which plaque stops building up in our arteries?
My LDL is at 67, and HDL is at 68... this is because of the types of fats I eat. I don't just drink cheap vegetable oils, lol. I eat avocados, I use olive oils, I eat animal fats, a lot of fish oils, omega 3s, omega 6s, nuts and seeds, solid at room temp dairy fats, coconut oil, avocado oil... no transfats, no 'partially hydrogenated vegetable oils'... However, regardless of my personal numbers, the thing about cholesterol is... it's not actually a problem, so long as you have no inflammation in your arteries, which is generally caused by obesity, because obesity causes high blood pressure, high blood volume, and inflammation, caused in part due to blood sugar spiking and crashing over and over again. Blaming cholesterol for coronary disease is like blaming the band aid for the cuts. Eliminate the cause of the cuts, and you don't have to worry about the band aids... Cholesterol won't adhere to your blood vessels if there is no damage it's trying to patch and repair, after all.
Oh, and don't think I'm one of those people who only eats steak and butter either. The one thing I learned, and am 100% grateful for from my time as a vegetarian is that from an early age, I learned to LOVE VEGETABLES, and to make them taste great. That's super important on any reasonable diet. I eat more veggies in a day than most North Americans eat in a week, to this day. I still think that's something I have in common with the Vegan/Vegetarian community. I love my veggies. That's helped me a lot in my life.
That's wonderful about your LDL. Cholesterol and plaque are more complicated than the cholesterol deniers with their bandaid analogies claim, and lots of things cause inflammation, including animal foods. When there's LDL above 67, plaque builds up, and the higher the LDL, the more plaque build up you get. The promise of keto is that it somehow changes those dynamics. Take care.
Um... I don't do Keto. I do Atkins. I said that in my first comment. ATKINS. I eat carrots, bananas, fruit, especially antioxidant filled berries... and my carb counts on maintenance never dip below 50/day, usually more like 60/day and my fat intake is most certainly not 70% of my diet. That would not be sustainable for me, personally... and yeah, that probably would give me high cholesterol... not to mention constipation from a distinct lack of fiber :P
I started Keto in January of 2018. I have lost 60lbs since that time. I'm post menopausal and I have arthritis in my ankles. My blood pressure was borderline high at around 150/85 . As of writing this I no longer feel pain in my joints. I don't have bloating and constant gas. My blood pressure last taken on Thursday was at 125/80. I have more energy. I walk more. The pressure on my organs is OBVIOUSLY considerably less because of the weight loss. Perhaps my experience is anecdotal BUT I know this, I'm a LOT healthier than I was. So since the only change I've made in my life is adhering to the Keto diet...I'll assume it was the Keto that caused this change.
Hi., great this works on you. Did you had a hard transition time to keto
For me, my digestion does not work good on keto or paleo. And on 75% fat-20 protein and 5% KH I did keto but got soo sick. Hair Loss. I took lot of electrolytes and vegetables... But strange digestion and I really became to smell very bad.
So annoying. Because my pains vanish... Hope to hear if you had symptoms in the beginning..
Mic. I started Keto to lose a bit of weight (only short term as it was about 5 or 6 pounds I wanted to shift, that's all). Within 24 hours my bleeding gums had stopped. Within a week my migraines had improved (not had one since) and my tinnitus improved too (despite being as a result of loud noise damage) better but not gone. My acid reflux has stopped totally. I have considerably less gas pollution issues (if you get my drift). My painful knees diagnosed as likely arthritis have gone. Over the course of 6 weeks my psoriasis cleared up for the first time in over 20 years. My energy is up, I'm sleeping better. Oh, and I lost that fat round my gut I wanted to get rid of. For the first time in my adult life my heart rate is around 70bpm (it has always been well over 100 and stumped the medics). Blood pressure better too (as evidenced by migraine cure).
I rest my case.
Hi. Thanks. Are you still on the keto diet? And did you had a hard transition time? For me it is soo difficult. I smell soo bad and my digestion shuts down. Also hair loss... But it helps for some pains... Yeah.
Quitting sugar will give u those same exact results. I'm talking sugar as in processed carbs. Cookies, cakes, candy, processed foods. Commercial salad dressings, etc. Especially if u have an intolerance to sugar which a blood test can determine. Not scratch test, that's for allergies.
Amber it would be easier if you transition into it slower. also increase your electrolytes at the beginning. there's lots of support online to avoid all the issues that usually happen from not doing it properly. I've been doing it for 6 months with many my health hasn't been better. don't listen to this biased idiot. there's plenty of info online that will debunk misinformed fool
@meaoen glad the keto worked for you but u said u were low carb and had bad symptoms. So perhaps your symptoms didn't improve without processed sugars in ur diet because of the low carb. Isn't keto low carb?
I got rid of my pre diabetes and host of other metabolic issues on keto..over a year in and love my diet. Blood work looks better than ever also. Researchers and Physicians dont know everything and it changes year to year.
I do vegan keto. No matter what anyone says, it cures my depression and anxiety, helps me eat less, and cures my ibs and insomnia. I feel horrible eating hclf whole food diet.
It was the same for me, till I addressed the problem of not digesting carbs properly. Now I can do a full day of fruits if wanted, without any problems. The issue with Vegan Keto is that you're not facing your sensitivities and end up developing more of them.
How did you fix your carb problems?
+ *TheRoshan89* I am glad that people like you are posting comments here, because this video debunks proponents of animal-based keto but your way is another way to do it. IMO, it is the only legit way to do keto, as it is not associated in the clinical research so far with any of the health problems that traditional keto is associated with. Most importantly, animals don't have to die for vegan keto. I'm high carb, btw : )
+ *Marissa* I looked this up for another commenter, so I don't know if this is what the original poster uses, but: www.ruled.me/comprehensive-guide-vegan-ketogenic-diet/
The experiment I've done was to eat "raw fruits and veggies only" for 1 week. No grains or anything else to not mess up with the digestibility. It feels counter-intuitive I know, but after I could digest fruits properly. Rebuilding the right enzymes. My logic was "Ok if there's some kind of bacterial overgrowth in my system, and limiting sugar (carbs) helps but only for a time, I'll give them what they want (the bacterial overgrowth wants carbs) and count on my body to rebalance things out." I can only speak from my own experience, but this worked for me. The first 2 - 3 days I was really bloated, yes, but then, symptoms faded rapidly. (Before that experiment I was on vegan keto for 2 months.) Right after the experiment I kept eating lots of fresh fruits on a daily basis without or with very minimum symptoms. Now I can eat a whole watermelon if wanted or lots of dates, without bloating or discomfort. Anyway, hope this helps in a way or another! Best health to you!
[3:55] _«Paleo Mom's list of adverse effects:_ […] _Hypoglycemia»_
- That's the point of a ketogenic diet.
I tweaked the Keto diet by using mono and polyunsaturated fat. And it worked for me.
I was pre-diabetic and had uncontrolled hypertension. Now, my HgbA1c is normal and lost weight and blood pressure under control and dropping. I retired as an ICU registered nurse and based on my knowledge on pathophysiology, I got convinced by the diet so I tried it. Now, I am slowly discontinuing some of my meds upon discussion with my doctor. Saturated fat is never a good fat source and high carb diet is not either since your body converts it to glucose.
Who says you need to ingest animal fats to be on Keto? You can do it vegan or vegetarian too...
He looks so done, having to explain over and over what evidence based science is.
Dave Miller: Telling the truth is such a radical act in this society that some extra cowardly carnists are so hurt psychologically by it they are compelled to "get revenge" by dedicating their lives to mocking people who refuse to torture animals. Strange days indeed.
Yeah been a while. But reading through the comments I see you never left. What got you so triggered to so ceaselessly harass those who refuse your life of sickness?
Can you explain some of these failures?
Just wondering what turns a typical cowardly animal torturer into a triggered mouthy one.
Yeah like seeing a grown man breastfeed from a cow XD
But seriously...Nothing funny about the rape, torture, murder, and mutilation of others for pleasure and all the lies that go with it.
I prefer to trust what Prof Tim Noakes has to say about diet. He was a vegan for 20+ years before switching to a HFLC diet.
But there are LOTS of both population studies and experimental studies showing life-changing long-term outcomes from very low fat (~10% of calories) WFPB diets. Having asked lots of HFLC advocates and doctors, I've yet to see any evidence of similar overall long-term benefits from HFLC diets (except for seizures for about 50% of patients).
Wouldn't trust that man if you paid me. Lots of his stuff is a joke. Of course, if you want proof. You just ask. prof Dennis Nicolle
If he switched back, then he clearly wasn’t a vegan (which is ethically motivated). He was plant-based.
@@Melissa.Garrett He could have been vegan. People's ethics change. Mine did. Veganism didn't work for me, no matter how hard I tried.
4 years vegan in the past...no muscle gains despite getting my protein and working out almost every day, lost my period, got fat, got plantar fasciitis, acne got worse despite taking antibiotics....now 3 months Keto....muscle gains and weight loss, plantar fasciitis gone, acne slowing going away without antibiotics, regular cycle
the carrot you eat today has very little nutrition in it-especially compared to some of the other less healthy foods you likely also eat-but it is true that fruits and vegetables grown decades ago were much richer in vitamins and minerals than the varieties most of us get today. The main culprit in this disturbing nutritional trend is soil depletion: Modern intensive agricultural methods have stripped increasing amounts of nutrients from the soil in which the food we eat grows. Sadly, each successive generation of fast-growing, pest-resistant carrot is truly less good for you than the one before.
the solution is not only starch but mineral supplement starch
18 years of dealing with a autoimmune disorder and eating every way possible to try and stop it, nothing stoped it. So I finally stopped carbs/sugar,,, I'm trying keto! and I'm starting to get results (with minimal animal products)! I'm still not sure if it's going to "cure" me but I'm feeling better within weeks so I'll keep going. You can't knock it till you do it, who knows what I will achieve? everybody's different. Cheers
His main point is refined carbs are bad
Keto is a bit like fasting, which is a good thing. But it has - unlike fasting - long time disadvantages.
Refined Carbs ARE bad. Whole food carbs aren‘t. Eat them and do intermitting fasting (which, interestingly, is already suggested by many keto „gurus“), and you‘re on the safe side.
How are you now?
Hi, how are you doing now? I am also on this diet. but curious longer term..;) Thanks!
Well, I really hope you get completely well, no matter what you eat. You deserve a good, healthy life. It is frustrating to deal with a health problem and if you found something that works for you, you go.
My husband does a vegan keto diet. He said he feels noticeably better overall and his stamina for workouts are high.
Extra Small Doll I’ve been trying to do research on this, but many say it’s difficult to maintain ketosis on a vegan diet. How does he manage that?!
Brittney Jacobs He said almost every meal has avocados, bulletproof (vegan made with MCT oil) coffee in morning. He makes flaxseed wraps and uses them for a lot of veggie wraps. If you have an Instant Pot then you can cook much quicker and easier at one time.
Brittney Jacobs it's hard getting your essential vitamins on a vegan diet let alone low carb
@brentprodz And in this case it's not even low carb. Starchy vegetables are high carb
One of my teachers said that acorns are an important, completely ignored superfood, and that the settlers and Native Americans who came west (I'm in California) were able to chop oak trees down by hand because they lived on acorns... and, on the topic of people eating a high fat animal products diet - wild animals do not have a very high fat content on their bodies, so I imagine that eating deer, or bison would still be very low fat meat.... thanks again, Mic for such brilliant clarity and great sources... Blessed Be! (I'm vegan for life!)
It is disappointing when someone with a strong agenda - e.g a vegan - seeks to debunk something which is not a movement, profits no-one, and may actually have benefits for the majority of people without forcing them to forego many foods they currently enjoy.
The principal of a ketogenic diet is to reduce carbohydrate intake sufficiently that the body begins to burn fat as its main natural food source. Difficult to make money or sell people anything since this is a very simple principle to adopt. Of course the first few weeks of trying this seem difficult, but it doesn't take long for it to become second nature. Instead of agonising over whether the piece of cake contains eggs or other animal products you simply don't eat the cake because of its high carbohydrate content. Seems a big sacrifice the first few weeks, but after a short time the cravings disappear because the high fat intake keeps the body satiated and energy levels can stay level for hours without eating. Starts to make sense when considering how our ancestors could spend long times between meals.
The "keto" diet does not advocate eating large quantities of meat. In fact it acknowledges how a vegetarian keto diet is possible - e.g. olives, nuts and avocados can provide the oils and fats the body needs without eating meat.
Undoubtedly it should be recognised that the human race would be a fraction of its current size if we hadn't adopted a carbohydrate based diet. The cheap source of energy provided by agriculture - wheat and rice in particular - has allowed us to double our population every 50 years. However that does not validate a carbohydrate based diet. Leave scraps of food around and we are quickly overrun by mice, rats, pigeons and seagulls. All that shows is that life will do what it can to survive and expand. It is not evidence that our bodies are meant to eat meals that cause the pancreas to work overtime creating insulin to dampen the blood sugar rush which occurs after eating carbohydrates, followed by the liver having to mop up all the excess energy and turn it into fat which the body stores.
The documentary "magic pill" may have messed up on maths: agriculture has been around for 10,000 years while humans in their homo sapiens variant perhaps 200,000 does show that we have only been eating bread and potatoes for 5% of human history. But to ridicule the maths error overlooks the main point that our ancestors would typically have eaten foods they found above ground, including animals. Wild animals are not overweight and do not get illnesses like us: colds, flu etc. Only animals held captive and fed by humans become fat.
A keto diet may not suit the agenda of an insecure vegan - although the two can be the same if you eat enough nuts, seeds, avocados and olives etc. But to simply rule it out because it threatens the "holier than thou" ethos of veganism is pitiful. Most of the good results from a keto diet may appear to be anecdotal, but that is simply due to the lack of objective long-term clinical trials. To re-iterate no-one is selling ready-meals or special snacks under the keto bran which is very different to any other food movement. Simply remove potatoes, pasta, bread and rice and add some olive oil and you are pretty much there.
Was curious to look at these studies on dying: study 1 was a case study of a female with a seizure disorder, study 2 was not negative at all, in fact concluded that most complications that may occur during the diet are transient, and does not mention death as a risk of a ketogenic diet at all. Study 3 (like previous two studying children with seizures, so not your average human by the way) concluded: "The KD is a safe and effective alternative therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Korea" so not all that negative I don't think! Study 4 is actually about death woo!! Once again children with refractory epilepsy, this time as many as two, and suggested children should be monitored closely to follow up their treatment. Finally study 5 (also on children with epilepsy, that's 5/5!) concluded: The KD is a safe and efficacious therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Chinese children. The influence of age on efficacy is worth further investigation.
I'm not here to say ketogenic diets are the best, the worst or anything in between, but scaremongering people by associating the diet with death is just totally false. There is a huge amount of research showing people (adults, sometimes even without epilepsy!!!) improving heath hugely on a ketogenic diet, and unfortunately for you it just about always outperforms high carb diets (the effect is negligible when both groups eliminate sugars and refined grains).
Absolutely the efficacy of ketogenic diets can and should be discussed, but referring to the research that you did is totally misleading and prevents any rational debate. I take great problem with the misleading nature of the Magic Pill documentary in suggesting keto diets fix everything, but argue that instead of citing contextually irrelevant research.
This is the final paragraph of study 2 " In conclusion, KD can cause various complications, but most of these can be improved with conservative management, with no need to stop the KD. However, we sometimes experienced serious complications requiring interruption of the KD, and life‐threatening infectious diseases, lipoid pneumonia due to aspiration, and cardiomyopathy produced fatal outcomes. The mortality rate was not greater than that associated with the natural progression of symptomatic childhood epilepsy (42). However, to prevent fatal outcomes with the KD, early detection of serious illness and active intervention seem to be most important, as is adequate nutritional support and extensive screening for underlying metabolic or immunologic disorders. " .... 2 patients died during that study
I remember when I fell for the paleo and keto diet due to brain grain book. I never have felt worse in my life. Now I’ve been vegan for about 10 months and my health is back on track!
Grant Dietz me too! I was paleo for about 2 years and I was really lying to myself and everyone because I didn’t want to fail it. I look back on photos & I looked horrible.
Same. I did the keto thing for a short time about three years ago and felt horrible. Plant-based, whole foods works so much better for me and I credit it for a clean cancer scan and getting me through chemo without any major health issues (though it did fuck me up good. That is just bound to happen with chemo).
*I credit it along with making sure to exercise regularly and in conjunction with surgeries, etc.
Just gonna leave these Grain Brain refutations here...
The Smoke and Mirrors Behind Wheat Belly and Grain Brain
www.forksoverknives.com/the-smoke-and-mirrors-behind-wheat-belly-and-grain-brain/
The Problem With David Perlmutter, the Grain Brain Doctor
www.thecut.com/2015/06/problem-with-the-grain-brain-doctor.html
nd4spd these books make absolutely zero sense looking back.
Started in keto in 2019 after watching the magic pill. Might not be for everyone but in my case I lost 40 lb, lowered my triglycerides by 30%, got my cholesterol profile back in shape, clean my liver from esteatosis and never, in 5 years got sick again expect for light covid symptoms twice, not even a cold.
Hey, a simple truth here. I went on a WFPB diet last May because it was recommended as a cure for severe eczema. Not only did it work, but within 2 weeks I lost 14 pounds, which was a complete surprise to me. The weight hasn't come back. I'd carried this extra weight for 27 years. Never thought I'd lose unneccesary poundage with no effort!
There was a conversation on this year's Vegmed about fasting during chemo can help reduce its side effects & they're gonna do some more research on that! So that's pretty interesting!
or they could just stop feeding the tumors tumor fuel
I find I eat more vegetables (especially greens) on Keto with intermittent fasting than before. I just don't eat rice, pasta, or any sugar. I think I eat less meat because I am consuming fewer calories and not hungry. No processed food because they all have too many carbs.
Seems to work for me with better labs in every measure. YMMV I feel much better than ever before.
Dark Matter There is a lot of things Vegan people don’t understand. They work backwards from their conclusion that meat and animal derived products are bad.
Absolutely, because we all CRAVE CARBS, and vegetables have so much fiber and are so complex that we can have them on keto, no problem. I don’t even count them at all, I have as much veg as I want, and they taste 10X better when you’re not eating crap like bread with them. Going keto makes vegetables taste AMAZING!
First hand experience. I had a prediabetic A1C in 2019 (likely binge drinking on long weekends + drunk diet although I ate well during the week + genetics). My Doc suggested low carb. I took that as keto when poked around. It quickly dropped my 5'10" weight from 195-200 lb to 170 lb. Kind of went low carbish, but not full keto and then more Mediterranean for a year or so. Then started watching youtube more as background during COVID and got pulled into the keoverse influencer world and went full strict keto. Less on the red meats and such. Nut butter was my weakness and big part of the diet. But also a lot of coconut saturated fat, butter, cheese and such. Lots of eggs.
Did this about 18 months and LDL went from 90 to 175. My primary goal was pushing A1C down from 5.6 that was too close to prediabetic for comfort. Appreciate the note on this Shawn Baker and his high fasting glucose. Mine was always 105, 110, 115ish level. That got me into longer fasting and chasing low 90s and 80s measurements. I would do 3 day fasts every few weeks and only got glucose in the 80s a few times. My liver was working overtime producing glucose.
My approx. 18 month blood work was a wreck eating a clean whole food keto diet (no processed foods... I made my own mayo). Liver enzymes showed fatty liver development. LDL was super high and my A1C did not change. I'm watching the Shawn Baker labs. Interesting to see them hand-wave the poor Kidney function and Liver enzyme levels just like I was doing.
I was prediabetic and my doctor said to eat a lot of fruit , tortilla potatoes and rice .i go worse and worse .i stop this diet i eat alot of olive oil and olive ,3 days times small fish per week and 2 meat .no process foods .alot of green veggies .my hdl ldl triglycerides and total cholesterol stay the same .my blood pressure go down and blood sugar and insulin resistance is now in normal levels and my uric acid go in normal levels .i want to ask if carnivore or vegan are the best diets why Okinawa on Japan ,here we have Ikaria live longer and eat alot of veggies legumes and fish . Okinawa people eat 1-2 per week pig and 2-3 fishs and live 80-100 years old .we need all in moderation
please stop saying "High Meat" Keto isn't "High Meat"
20% of one's calories from meats isn't "high" by most people's standards, or am I just crazy?
i should have said protein because Keto doesn't Force one to eat meat at all... Beans, eggs work too. (although in my opinion not as well)
But to the point
2000 calorie diet
20% = 400 calories
Protein is 4 calories per gram so,
so 400/4 = 100 grams of protein
The 40-60g recommendation is modest
So if you're calling 100 grams "HUGE" then you're either not thinking clearly or just using that word too flexibly.
www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-per-day#section2
check this out.
nah this is just a silly critique. you are correct
Lol what? How is 20% high? 80% is high, 20% is low meat diet.
You should compare high carb vegan to high fat vegan. No one ever considers a diet centered around nuts seeds avocados greens sprouts coconuts, small amount of fruit, generally raw.
interesting thought, i still think high carb low fat plant based oil free whole food diets are going to be better.
A high fat WHOLE food vegan diet is very hard to achieve. Even nuts, seeds and advocados have enough carbs to interrupt nutritional ketosis. You can get those macros by using some oil like coconut or olive oil (not whole foods anymore) or you can rely on high fat whole foods plant based without nutritional ketosis. (fatty acids to beta-oxidation to krebs cycle)
Going keto solved my skin problems and stabilized my mental health to the point that it allowed me to go off of SSRI's. Essentially all plant based proteins cause me extreme physical discomfort in the amounts needed for survival.
We're all different.
Person: vegans foods so expensive
Me with my week of food costing only £20: hahahahaha..oh you're serious
Rice and beans are way too expensive. I only eat steak and a carton of eggs a day on keto, and it saves so much money
I'm keto, not afraid to say it. I cycle and run and can do everything my vegan and or high carb friends can do without needing gels every 45 minutes. My a1c is better than theirs and I'm leaner than they are. My blood levels are great and I feel better than I did on a high carb diet. Every body is different.
Fact is keto diets aren't heart healthy. No one said they cannot run for an hour. Albeit not as well.
You said your blood levels are great. Do you mean you got your LDL down into the healthy range (under 67)?
Karl Wheatley actually my levels are great all around!
Karl Wheatley however I'm not advocating this for everyone please don't think I'm saying everyone should do this!
Lol I don't think I've ever met a vegan with a body type that I want to look like.
Funny, I cured my type 2 diabetes in one month and have lost 40lbs in 2 months doing keto and my kidney levels cut in half. All good things. I was not eating a terrible diet beforehand.
Four years later, is this still true?
This guy is a brain dead brainwashed idiot. He has no clue what he’s talking about. I cured depression, panic attacks, Crohn’s disease, vitiligo, eczema, chronic inflammation, and arthritis on a carnivore diet. I only eat beef, butter, eggs, bacon, and sour cream from time to time. What a complete loser! It’s clear he has an agenda for whatever reason.
@@katiesdumbvideos5418 she ded
The short term effects are amazing. You can make leaps and bounds with keto/carnivore but it's a healing diet for people with serious medical issues. If you subscribe to it for years on end, you end up with cardio issues.
I am curious to know the answer to Katie's question as weel
For all those keto fans put there: there is a plant based keto diet, try it out, it's also more sustainable if it's suited for you.
say hello to b12
I like my meat and plants. Thanks though.
Not all Ketogenic diets are alike. I'm a pescatarian, low-saturated-fat eater. I get my carbs from true vegetables and healthy fats (not coconut oil, which is 93% saturated fat). I have almost zero dairy in my diet. Best of all, I feel better than I ever have in my life - mental clarity sharpened, brain fog gone, heightened energy, and slow but steady weight loss. And guess what? You can successfully be both vegan and Keto. No need to pick a fight (or pick at all)!
I saw a video clip by someone a couple weeks ago who showed that intermittant fasting (eating at morning and night) is healthier than a ketogenic diet...
It is possible that because IF is gaining traction in certain athletic circles, this Magic Pill movie isn't just a response to the success of plant-based documentaries, but to the growing popularity and clinical research into IF. Poor babies, surrounded by enemies on all sides, ha-ha!
Hey, to be fair they had us surrounded on all sides at one point.
Yeah I quit smoking for 20 years because I wanted to improve my lunges. But guess what, I still experienced breathing problems! Some say it's because I smoked weed every chance I got, but I don't believe that. So there is the proof that quitting smoking is actually bad for your health. ~ The Sobriety Myth
Now who can tell me what this logic reminds you of?
Prinses op de Pingpongbal maybe a 'vegan' binging on eggs n dairy every chance she got
Shaun W you don't saaaaay ;)
It's because smoking mj is also inhaling carbon monoxide, ammonia, and, other harmful free radicals
Any type of smoke in your lungs is not good.
oɌionⓋ Is vaping weed harmful?
The interview with the duck tho😭😂
Ya I love keto plus intermittent fasting. I got almost the whole ICU staff at the hospital where I work on it. lol. I lost about 45 lbs and Im at my ideal body weight. My dad is off his high blood pressure meds and statins now and depression is gone and off psych meds for depression. He got his blood test back and all results are great. My mom was pre diabetic and now glucose is never high anymore and doctor took her off metformin. The doctor is very encouraging and supports the keto and fasting.
I did vegan for about 2 years. Its a good diet too. I guess for some people it does not work so well but for many keto is amazing and life changing. .
@James Parker for pleasure? U must be a special kind of stupid
@James Parker, you don't know him. How do you know he eats meat for pleasure? He may eat meat because he found that going without it makes him ill or weak.
@James Parker, wrong, some people have to have animal protein in their diet. North American Inuits eat only animal protein. Go tell them to switch to a plant based diet.
@James Parker, My, my, learn how to debate man. With every response, you include a personal attack. Not a way to win someone over.
the Keto diet is awesome for raising cholesterol! mine was 572 and after 3 weeks and 2 days vegan it dropped to 172...
Lucas Fonseca you need to do research. Cholesterol is not bad that's a myth. In fact having too low cholesterol can kill you. Eat your yolks! Be a man!
172 sounds dangerous, at those levels you risk serious illness. You should look up what Cholesterol actually does in the body.
Again, people get confused between LDL cholesterol and HDL cholesterol. Which makes me think : the doctor who delivered the medical report to you should go back to school.
@@wesleygaitan " BE A MAN". Yes this one right here is a society propaganda of gaslighting men not just about diet but about other things like marriage
A little head's up for everyone. NEVER TRUST a person who will not eat a molecule of protein into their body, which includes an egg from a farmer's chicken that runs around all day and has a great time.
Veganism is a religion.
??? Vegans, vegetarians, and omnivores all eat about the same amount of protein. Some people don't eat eggs for ethical reasons (for example, all the male chicks that get slaughtered as part of the egg industry), and some don't eat them because of health reasons, such as their negative effects on LDL (assuming your LDL level was healthy to begin with ... under 70 or so) and cancer.
Eggs cause cancer? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Compared to a whole food vegan diet, adding any animal protein (eggs included) promotes cancer because it raise IGF-1 levels about 15% higher than a vegan diet, and IGF-1 promotes EVERY aspect of cancer, from initiation to proliferation, to metastasis:
ruclips.net/video/ayuVb9-nFVo/видео.html
Thus, animal protein, but not plant protein, is strongly linked to higher cancer rates:
nutritionfacts.org/video/animal-protein-compared-cigarette-smoking/
The title below says it all...
nutritionfacts.org/video/how-our-gut-bacteria-can-use-eggs-to-accelerate-cancer/
More on how TMAO functions and how the egg industry funded a rigged study to try to cover up the fact that eggs raise TMAO levels:
nutritionfacts.org/video/egg-industry-response-to-choline-and-tmao/
And this...
"Harvard University researchers followed more than a thousand men with early-stage prostate cancer for several years. Compared with men who rarely ate eggs, men who ate even less than a single egg a day appeared to have twice the risk of prostate cancer progression, such as metastasizing into the bones. The only thing potentially worse for prostate cancer than eggs was poultry: Men with more aggressive cancer who regularly ate chicken and turkey had up to four times the prostate cancer progression risk. On the other hand, less than a single daily serving of cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, or kale may cut the risk of cancer progression by more than half." from...
nutritionfacts.org/topics/prostate-cancer/
With advanced prostate cancer, replacing animal foods with plant foods dramatically improved outcomes. Summaries of studies on this:
nutritionfacts.org/video/treating-advanced-prostate-cancer-with-diet-part-2/
Research on plant foods improving prostate cancer outcomes and animal foods, including eggs, making things worse. Studies on this:
nutritionfacts.org/video/prostate-versus-plants/
Higher egg consumption has been strongly linked to higher rates of lethal prostate cancer, with the choline in eggs fingered as one likely mechanism. Related studies summarized at:
nutritionfacts.org/video/eggs-choline-and-cancer/
Oh, and here are studies finding eggs linked to higher rates of heart disease and diabetes:
nutritionfacts.org/video/debunking-egg-industry-myths/
And we also know from other lines of experimental research that if you replace eggs in your diet with oatmeal, you get a healthy drop in your LDL cholesterol, but if you add daily eggs to the diet of someone who eats little cholesterol or no and has a healthy LDL level (under 67), then you get a big jump in LDL levels, and at higher LDL levels, plaque builds up faster in our arteries. But the Egg Board conducts rigged studies with people with super high LDL and super unhealthy diets, and then says "See, swapping sausage for eggs didn't raise people's LDL levels." But they don't tell you to get your LDL to a healthy level, you have to drop both the sausage and the eggs.
Take care.
One egg a month dude. Just like one cigarette a month won't give you lung cancer.
No, one egg a month probably won't raise your risk of cancer appreciably, but any highly regular consumption of animal foods will (plus raising LDL and other disease risk factors). If you eat one per month, it's not really part of your regular diet, so that's not what I was really talking about. Take care.
I was 320lbs, my cholesterol, triglycerides were insane high. Blood pressure was hitting 200's. Within 4 months I lost 100 lbs, all my numbers became perfect. I had a wart on my thumb for most of my life that disappeared, my skin cleared up. Insane stomach problems went away. This is a click bait video on a hot topic.
Danimalus Maximus and why did this happen...? Did you go Keto?
What if the fat I eat is mostly from nuts, seeds and avocado! I keep saturated fat low! I eat a lot of vegetables with lean meats and fish!
I am not a fan of keto but this video is doing the same type of thing, just from "the other side". Pick and choose the studies that suit the agenda, then make a sensational video. I only care about results. I became a Vegan for a year in an attempt to lower hereditary high cholesterol, blood pressure and triglycerides and my numbers did not budge. I was a triathlete and my cardiologist told me I was doing everything perfectly (Athlete's diet, low-fat/high-carb, "clean") and only heredity was working against me. I was told to immediately begin statins and blood pressure meds. I refused and while complaining about my dilemma a coworker suggested I try Paleo; 6 months later all my numbers were normal. During that 6 months I ate bacon and fried eggs each morning for breakfast. That was 8 years ago. Still Paleo, still normal bloodwork numbers. This is a REAL story with REAL results, no spin, no agenda. EVERYONE IS NOT THE SAME.
Thanks for sharing. Two questions:
1) When you were a vegan, were you eating a whole food diet that was very low in fat (~10% calories from fat)?
2) When you say your bloodwork is normal (I assume you mean healthy, not what's statistiscally normal for a very unhealthy population), do you mean you got your LDL under 70--the level at which plaque doesn't progressively build up in our arteries?
Thanks.
1) Yes I was. I had eaten a very low-fat diet for most of my life. I was considered a "health nut" by my friends. 2) I mean it went from dangerously-high to the normal accepted range.
I asked whether it was under 70 because the "normal accepted range is under 130 or under 100, depending on who you got to. However, we know that plaque steadily builds up at those LDL levels, so the healthy LDL level is under ~67.
That isn't how LDL works at all. LDL is firstly an INDICATOR not a cause of plaque, and secondly it's not even a good one. HDL is better hence why everyone is trying to improve it, and remnant cholesterol and VLDL are better still.
Excessive LDL levels in the arteries leads to plaque buildup in response to inflammation---lots of layers of "bandaids" going to fix the wound, but then ll those layers of bandaids clog up the arteries. Thus, cholesterol is a dominant feature of arterial plaques (and there's evidence that crystallized cholesterol--which would only occur with very high levels after a meal--plas a role in triggering heart attacks. When expectant mothers' LDL is higher, the fetus gets more plaque building up in the aorta, but when LDL levels are normal in humans (which appears to be more like 35-60), plaque does not build up in the arteries, even in the presence of inflammation. After eating animal foods, both inflammation and LDL rise and oxidized cholesterol rise, so it's like you're painting thin layers of plaque onto your artery walls with every meal, and doing so faster than the body can heal the damage. But the truly normal human LDL is clearly well under 70, which explains why it gives us trouble when it's at the elevated levels most people are at. The higher the level above 67, the faster plaque seems to build up. See this study:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109704007168
Actually, HDL appears to be more of a marker, for in Mendelian randomized experiments, having genetically lower LDL reduces heart disease risk but genetically higher HDL doesn't:
nutritionfacts.org/video/how-do-we-know-that-cholesterol-causes-heart-disease/
The people who spend (waste) their time debating the finer points of cholesterol profiles are mainly debating which is a slightly better predictor or which is a slightly higher risk factor for a heart attack or stroke--assuming you are still OK with having a grossly elevated LDL level that produces progressively worsening atherosclerosis (which virtually all Americans have) and assuming your are still OK with quite high risks of heart attack, stroke, dementia, erectile dysfunction. If you don't mind being in that group, talk all day about VLDL or the large fluffy particles which are slightly less atherogenic but still about 70% as atherogenic as small dense particles. Talk all you want to about TG/HDL ratio if you're planning to eat a diet that still leaves you with progressively worsening plaque and a quite high risk of eventual erectile dysfunction (50% of men over 50), angina, heart attacks, strokes, and dementia.
However, what I'm talking about when I talk about cholesterol is how you ELIMINATE the risk of heart attack and stroke and get plaque buildup to reverse, which multiple trials have shown can be done when you get LDL very low (40-60 ideally) and eat a whole food vegan diet that is ~10 calories from fat. These studies may help:
dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf
www.dresselstyn.com/Esselstyn_Three-case-reports_Exp-Clin-Cardiol-July-2014.pdf
To put it differently, it may not make much difference for your headaches whether you hit yourself on the head nine times daily or seven times daily, but if you stop hitting yourself on the head every day with the hammer (saturated fat & cholesterol), you can get the headaches (heart disease) to stop.
Take care.
Watched it last night. It tried hard to convince me but I mostly cringed.
You were cringey to begin with...
Donner Party ohhhhhh shit you burned him!!!!!
I cringed at this debunk video, specially part where mic claims our bodies prefer to burn carbs first as if that shows they are healthy, but our bodies burn the thing that is most toxic to us first. With Mics stupid logic we should all consume alkohol cause our body burns that first of all.
And biased complains about industry funded science, meat, dairy and eggs industries may be powerfull and work to improve their image, but do you know who is even more powerfull and actually got caught funding science secretly, coca cola. Carb producers and low fat product sellers are way way bigger than meat industry.
UltimaOn any thoughts on the numerous medical problems stemming from this diet which he cited numerous studies showing?
UltimaOn, nobody here thinks refined/processed xarbz are healthy. Weak strawman.
Okinawans ate seafood... Oh but we leave that part out because hopefully people won’t look into their actual diet and realize that fish is an animal and not a vegan diet
66 years old. Stated Keto after I went to the hospital with a mini stroke. Was on 3 blood pressure medications, had really bad joint pain. Was told I was pre diabetic (which really means you are diabetic) Doctor wanted to start me on insulin and said I should start eating less carbs. So I started doing some research and ran across the keto diet. Okay what do I have to lose. 9 months now I have lost 60 lbs, (collage weight) 3 pant sizes, off all blood pressure medication. 115/ 85 right now. Joint inflammation is all but gone. My sleep is much better and don't seem to need nearly as much of it to feel rested. I haven't felt this good in 30 years. I haven't even mentioned the little things like not getting sick, heart burn, and not feeling like I need to eat something every 2 hrs. To each his own but I am convinced that this is the way I need to eat.
Awesome! Now I would like to explain why someone like you should stop... Exactly these Vegan types are extremists. The best is to rest what works for you and that's it. We are all different! Stay blessed..
@@themartian7121Extremism exists across all diet philosophies - Vegan, Carnivore, Keto...
Mic, your dedication, work ethic, and humor are very much appreciated. While watching your videos for the second, third, and fourth times, I can't help but lose focus sometimes because of my profound admiration for the quality content you produce. I can't imagine how long it takes to make these videos, and I truly hope, from the bottom of my vegan heart, that you know how important you are to the vegan movement. The world is a better place because you have the intellect and drive to make these videos. You're easily one of the people I admire most and I feel exceedingly blessed and privileged to see your career blossom and mature. I can't wait to see what you accomplish in the next few decades.
Truth :)
well said!! i wholeheartedly second this!
TRUE!!!
Well said! I completely agree and hell yeah, Mic is the man! 👍
So true !
If you monitor your blood on the keto diet to stay within 3-7 mmdL you will not have keto acidosis, and yes keto acidosis is a diabetic issue..there are also plenty of studies which show it to be healthy for many conditions... since ancient times people have fasted in order to improve mental health conditions, more recently we discovered that ketones are a more steady fuel source for the brain (sugar highs and lows can effect the blood brain barrier causing an unstable environment in the brain of someone with a weakened blood brain barrier) the ketogenic diet mimic the positive effects of fasting.. you say the body prefers to consume sugar with the logic that it burns sugar first, but your body will burn alcohol before sugar.. does that mean it prefers alcohol?? Also ketosis doesn’t necessarily mean animal products you can be vegan a in ketosis.. there are plenty of studies showing that vegans are often deficient in minerals/vitamins such as iron and vitamin K2, there are plenty of people who enzymes needed to digest large amount of green, cows have multiple stomachs in order to digest a lot of grass.
I think both diets are better than the SAD but the keto diet helped me a lot with my health problems
Hi. Thanks. Are you still on keto diet? And was the transition time hard for you? Everytime I try it I get sooo sick.. And it seems mu digestion is not working anymore... Hope to hear.
I respect you Vegans out there. I personally eat like lots of vegetables and fruits too. But one thing I really reduce is sugar and carbohydrates. When I say carbohydrates I mean grains, rice and things like that. At the same time I also eat lots of meat and eggs.
And the ultimate is i do Intermittent Fasting or IF in short.
Never felt better, weight gone down 7kg in 2 months, fatty liver gone, visceral gone and blood pressure now normal.
So basically I'm on low card high fat diet while at the same time doing IF. Works like a charm.
LOVE THIS! Thank you. I'm wondering what you might say to the argument against corn in this movie.
I am from France and people suffer from heart disease like any other developed world. My dad suffered from a heart attack. My older brother died from a heart arrest at the age of 61. I sure wish I could have saved his life by convincing him to go on a plant based diet. I heard plenty of stories of people dying from heart attack and dropping dead. France is no exception.
take the two people case study. read it. compare it to what guy says. review your comment after .
The founder of a the American vegan society died of a heart attack.
I had a heart attack five days ago and I'm only 36. a friend of mine had suggested I watch the magic pill (an RN, at that) in an effort it get control of my newfound heart disease.
20 minutes in I was shocked, but I kept going. halfay through I was amazed. By the end, I was excited.
But something in the back of my mind was jumping up and down, screaming at me:
"IT'S ALL HORSESHIT!"
I had been vegan for a short stint while I was in the Army, so everything they were saying flew in the face of all the research I had pored over years ago (i.e. the China Study).
But I was still convinced. For the same reason everyone else was. You can make gobs of money telling people good news about their bad habits (you said that). When people see stuff like The Magic Pill, they're almost willing to forego common sense and experience to justify filling the coffers of American Beef.
In my case, it would be a huge gamble with my life right now.
So I went to /r/ketoscience for some clarification. These assholes were perfectly content telling me that a keto diet would cure me and lower my cholesterol and I would be a new man.
The more they talked, the less I believed. They couldn't quote any actual medial data, they would just tell me to read someone's book.
one of them made a post linking to your video, saying what an idiot you were. but... you used actual data I could corroborate. The movie did not. They conveniently left out the lifespan of the aborigine prior to 1970, by the way.
The fact is, I'm scared, Mic. I almost saw death. I'm angry there are people who would happily kill me to prove their false narrative. I've watched many of your videos and I'm glad I found your channel.
Thank you, Mike.
Ryan Mesler please go thru the data he provided in the summary and save yourself, you will get to know who had a false narrative.
Raghavendra Sarva how do you mean?
I have gone through his sources as I said already. they are verifiable information. magic pill quoted the author of the vegetarian myth who is clearly an idiot if you actually read her book or listen to some of her commentary on it.
I mean, just to hear her say that soil can only be made with dead animals and plants can only be fed with dead animals... I mean, Jesus Chris, really? so, it stands to reason of the magic pill is deferring to this idiot to strengthen their narrative, then everyone else is probably also a complete idiot.
and, after further investigation, have found this to be true.
most people won't go to the lengths I did because their life isn't in immediate danger of being lost to another myochardial infarction. people love to hear good news about their bad habits and often will NEVER verify facts given from a bullshit source if it tickles their fancy. as mic put it, carnivorous sheep.
do some homework. quit looking for data that makes you feel good. the truth may hurt, but not as much as a heart attack.
Ryan Mesler Yeah. And keep in mind that The Magic Pill is mostly based on anecdotes and the studies they reference were funded by the meat and dairy industry. hope u stay vegan
Leonardo DiCuckrio anecdotal evidence carries some weight with me which is why I got so cow eyed while watching it. they tugged at my heart strings with the autistic child storyline.
So what do you think contributed to your heart attack at such a young age? I'm just curious what kind of diet you have had over the years.
I was on the SAD (Standard American Diet) with extra sugar my whole life. The last five years have been abysmal as I was slowly deteriorating I was looking more and more towards answers from nutrition. Everything I came across pointed to vegetables and fruits as potential solution and I focused on this for two to three years, but so many things got worse. Finally I was getting severe brain fog, arthritis everywhere, my eyesight got so bad I couldn't read my books with my prescription glasses, I thought I would go blind, had no motivation and was losing all hope. About five months ago (Aug 2022) I came across the keto + intermittent fasting plan (Dr Berg and other resources) and seemed to make sense, note this change I was hoping to lose some weight so my recovering knee would be less stressed long term. Within three days of going all in on the keto. the brain fog and eyesight got better. probably a week or two later I noticed a distinct decline in arthritis. I did switch to carnivore about 15 days in because I did feel bloated every time I ate all the veggies and yet felt "unfulfilled" with my meals at the same time. Carnivore (mostly red meat, pork, chicken, butter, bacon and eggs) streamlined everything for me. I do not starve, when I am hungry I eat, when I am full I stop. I did have some constipation issues in the beginning but have since figured that out with ramping up or down my butter intake as needed. 5 months in I am worlds better than I was. Not saying I am cured of all things, just significantly improved than I was. My eyesight is back enough so that I can read again with my prescription glasses and I no longer have to use ibuprofen and ice after my very short jogs (my knee continues to improve but taking it easy so as not to backslide) which hasn't happened in about 15 years. I still feel like I am improving as I learn more and more about this "diet" or rather a lifestyle, sometimes I have to tweak things but I have to listen and stay disciplined.
You can't be real lol
@@loganboylen2389 Not sure why you said that. I have read countless of comments just like that.
That has been the result for countless people healing on carnivore! Keep doing what heals you!
The adverse affects shown only occur when the diet is poorly followed. Thinning hair and hair loss is because people don’t properly replace the calories they were previously getting from carbs with fats and proteins and lost weight to fast.
Yesss!!! Love it!!! Part 2 for this video!!!!
I have two dear friends who are both doing the keto diet, and are so excited to have lost the weight that they wanted to lose. Meanwhile, I've been eating as WFPB as possible and have gradually lost about 1/4 of the weight I want to lose... oh yeah, and I've never had to complain about feeling hungry, or tired; and my skin has improved, and my hair and nails have been growing longer, stronger, and faster; and my blood pressure and cholesterol have improved, and my iron levels are higher....
Ryan Mesler from whole food plant based? Uhhh... maybe you misread the story?
fujihara17 no, from the keto diet.
track your average calories for a week and deduct 500 a day. weight loss comes form a deficit not just eating better
I had brain fog and chronic fatigue... asthma and knee pain. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GONE since I have adopted KETO.. that is in addition to the goal of weight loss!.
slow & steady wins the race
You can call it debunked all you want but that documentary changed my life. A bit over 2 years since I saw this the first time and my health has changed drastically. My blood pressure, a1c, cholesterol, c reactive protein, liver enzymes and weight have all normalized. My doctor is amazed and I've never been healthier.
Me too!
me too
@Christian Piranhas please explain
@@RomanBuchok me to
Your anecdotal case doesn't line up with actual research on the matter. Keto isn't healthy and increases your risk of all cause mortality by 30%
I’ll never take any dietary advice from a vegan.
Then take advice from paleo mum.
I did vegan keto for 3 weeks and indeed, it wasn't a super fun thing.
Linda S probably because vegan isn't fun to begin with, or natural
been vegan for seven years and will be vegan my whole life. in my opinion, keto is not natural at all. you have to take supplements all the time to prevent muscle cramps, because you don't get enough nutrients from your food, even being on vegan keto.
Was a 'normal eater' AKA fat American till 27, swapped to a healthy balanced nutrional lifestyle of everything. Anecdotal, but my yearly blood tests with the VA have been so good, my doc lets me skip em every other year. Like I mentioned in another comment though. There is no one size fits all. If it works for you, great. Meat, fruits, veggies, all work great for me. I dabble in keto (rarely but occasionally) and intermittent Fasting (every day for the past 6 years). Nothing is black and white.
Linda S what supplements? I've not had to change anything and I am VERY very basic on supplements these days.
I don't really care, I am glad you're healthy, you do you, boo
This video is very insulting to my intelligence. I would never try and "cure" my daughter of her autism. The documentary makes no such claim. While filming this, converting to a keto lifestyle was a process. We cut processed garbage first, and eventually added the fats and cut the carbs. My daughter's cognition improved when we cut the processed foods. It improved even more when we added fat and cut natural carbs.
bdizzle7771
Yes I echo this. Keto has helped my autism immensely and I wish my parents had known about it. Living without Keto was like being trapped in a prison as I couldn't think or communicate well until I raised my fats and lowered my carbs. I do not feel the need to be "cured" of autism at all, but to trap a child into the worst they can be due to not bothering to try a simple diet is very distressing to me. It seems lazy, selfish and vain not to learn more how to help your own child. Many a time I've heard mother claim she would "do anything", any programme, any expensive camp or therapy, but angrily refused to try the diet. I know alot of parents are actually are exhausted and shy away from trying one more thing. Especially when it requires them to give up convenience foods they rely on after a busy day at work and actually shop and cook day after day. But in the end it wasn't hard to change our diet and my partner's health issues also reversed eating along side me. I am so happy to hear you have gone the extra mile to help your child get the most out of life :)
@@tomjones2157 I don't think it was keto mainly it was removing processed foods
+HANSARAJOO MULLIAH Actually I had the same experience as bdizzle7771's daughter. Cognition improved when fat was raised up and carbs removed. I wasn't eating processed foods so this wasn't an issue.
bdizzle7771 I think you done amazing with your daughter. Your love and care is visible in your actions towards her! Keep up the good work!!
I’m so glad to see this information spreading out there. I’ve been a RN for >13 years and our doctors are putting autistic and Alzheimer’s patients on keto diets with awesome results.
I often look closely at the ratio of likes to dislikes. This video has a very low like to dislike ratio. Only about 6 to 1, while vids that are mostly agreed with are more like 30:1. When you consider that many (most ?) People search for videos which they like, or are into, 6:1 tells me that their are a lot of people do not agree with this.
I think he is not doing any favours for the vegan community.
All kinds of diet- keto, vegan, paleo are not healthy as our body needs nutrients from different kinds of natural whole foods. The important thing is 1) NOT eating refined,processed junk foods 2) eating small portions 3) intermittent fasting