I hate Fleche in Blue Lions. She is just a plot device to make sure the Alliance doesn't join with the Kingdom. Also, Randolf just dies without any reaction in GD/Church.
@@Fabriciod_Crv Yeah, I understand why she is upset. Still doesn't change the fact she is just there in the Blue Lions to make sure the Gronder Field battle happens and the Alliance doesn't join the Kindom.
FishyWeeb wait I don’t remember that part, blue lions was my first path so it’s been a while lol. Wasn’t she just part of the army going along with them?
@@yomama8212 He's not an hypocrite, before Timeskip he has PSTD and wants to kill only those he thinks are affiliated with the responsible of Duscur tragedy
angel -mist I guess you’re the opposite of me. Pre Time Skip, Claude and Edelgard were better than Dimitri in my opinion. Post time skip, I think all of the main 3 lords are equally. Not in personality of course.. I don’t know about self awareness tho. I think the right word is incredibly arrogant and naive.
Not sure if you were calling Dimitri arrogant and naive Inkling, but Dimitri does have self awareness on a majority of paths despite going a bit insane. Heck, even in Crimson Flower even though he still wants revenge, he still calmed down to the point of being a King for the Kingdom that need him in comparison to other routes where he can care less about the Kingdom. Arrogant and naive is Edelgard a majority of the time. Hell, even Claude calls her out in the prologue and she retorts at Claude lacking self awareness which is ironic especially since she loses herself in most paths with Blue Lions being her at her most desperate and lost. I mean one of her attacks in Blue Lions is called "Withered Flower" after all. When the player plays all the paths she becomes overall naive which adds to her being a tragic antivillain since we know all the information and also know that Those who Slither manipulated history as much as Rhea did. I mean she believed the people who persecuted her for so long. Maybe her gullibility for their lies was a result of trauma. In terms of self awareness, she even has the gall to say lines in her own path like "Must you retaliate and reconquer?". Sure the line itself was written bad as a "No U", but even if it was written with better words in mind, the point she made still stands. I mean what did she expect? People to be on board with her taking control of somebody else's territory? You may help her simmer down in her path, but she is still much more naive and arrogant than Dimitri or Claude. She pretty much put shame on Emperor Wilhelm's memory. Edelgard may have noble intentions, but she is "My way, or the highway". Honestly I find it ironic that outside of her path she doesn't step down from leadership and she basically becomes Rhea 2.0. She's a parallel to Rhea. Both are incredibly arrogant and naive and unfit to rule without proper guidance. I mean without Byleth, Edelgard is so hellbent on "winning" that the ideals of hers become even more extreme and lack morals. Rhea is so hellbent with her mommy issues and is too focused on the past and becomes indifferent towards the issues of present day while Edelgard is too focused on the future and fails to see the issues with her war in the present whenever she doesn't have Byleth as her teacher. Dimitri on the otherhand doesn't want to rule and accepts his role as a monster in his "Punished form". Hell he is so far gone that even if he managed to kill Edelgard in his punished state, he would probably kill himself afterwards. The dude's resolve wavers a lot and in most paths where he doesn't care about ruling, he is fine with dying a fruitless death until you snap him out of it. Dimitri has the awareness of his monstrous acts so his issue isn't arrogance. It's more because he's as much suicidal as he is homicidal. He pretty much taunts Byleth to kill him because they don't approve of what he's become. He has no regards to the lives of his enemy and even his own life.
What I find weird and somewhat irritating is that Randolph seems to act like Dimitri killing his men is a war crime. But it’s perfectly fine for him to attack a monastery.
@@rustkarl I mean that monastery houses enemy troops and a militant order of knights in direct opposition to the empire. What would you do as an imperial general, especially concidering that the Empire as at war with the church? Leave them be and hang around, waiting to be attacked?
Not just randolph, everyone (including Dimitri) seems to act like dimitri is some horrible murderer. Like yeah he's edgy as hell but he was killing ENEMY SOLDIERS. that's what everyone in the game is doing.
Do you mean what he did verbally? Because he shattered Randolph with mere words, but Byleth was the one who actually sliced him before Dimitri could even finish his sentence.
Ah, this was one of my favorite parts of the whole Azure Moon route. Even when murder-crazy, Dimitri was still willing to call bullshit when he saw it. Unfortunately for Randolph, getting one-shot was light compared to what came next for him.
Dimitri knows more than most that it takes one to know one. Randolph made a massive mistake sending the entirety of what was left of his forces into an obvious trap, all because of a petty insult. That one move of his smeared his hands with the blood of his own men, and Randolph didn't even acknowledge it during Dimitri's emotional torture. It's quite clear that his words were getting Randolph despite the young general's attempts to pretend he was better than Dimitri.
QuickSilverKitsune it’s not random, it’s based on support points. When I want to pair somebody together I get their A support and don’t do any other A support for those characters until nearly the end of the game. They can’t earn any more points until your increase their support level.
@@QuickSilverKitsune It's not a randomized pairing. It's the pairing at the top of the list of "Closest Allies" in the menu. So if you just grind that support a fuck ton before the final map it should change it.
@Ironbay Knight G I mean, I agree. But what we got is what we have to work with. As far as the rest of the game it's among my favorite FE games ever tbh.
I think they were trying to get you to care about this guy in Crimson Flower but when he ended up dead I was like, "I don't even know who that is?". If I didn't have a chance to recruit him, and keep him alive, why would I care if he died?
There are a number of times characters say "bastard". Like Claude calling Nemesis a "crusty, old bastard". I don't remember any other instances in this game though. I remember Sully in FE: Awakening calling Robin a bastard in her S-Support cutscene, too. It's uncommon, but sometimes happens. A bit strange.
depending on where their support level is, you could make an argument that she has a rather interesting perspective on what is happening inside his once dapper skull.
Randolph was such a hypocrite in the Blue Lions route. Dimitri may have gone off the deep end, but Randolph was serving in an army that invaded Dimitri’s country and had ripped the continent apart with a war his side started. The Imperial soldiers Dimitri killed were inside _Kingdom_ borders, not Empire borders. Plus, why did this fight even occur? Oh, that’s right - Randolph attacked Garreg Mach! Like geez dude, have some self-awareness!
There is a difference between fighting in a war as a soldier, doing your orders and brutally mutilating everyone you come across. I think that's what Randolph meant, Dimitri was brutal for his victims.
@@Mia-dt3gl I see your point, but still that doesn't justify torturing people just to look at them suffer. Killing people in battle is bad, but capturing them and trying to gouge their eyes out just for lulz is just inhuman, no matter which side are you on.
@@xyre9262 I never said that I supported Dimitri torturing Randolph. That scene was uncomfortable to watch. However I don’t think Randolph was in any position to condemn Dimitri for his actions when _he_ was the aggressor in this situation.
@Quentin Echols I wouldn't call her an idiot. She probably only saw her dead brother's corpse and assumed the one eyed demon killed him after hearing Dimitri taunted her brother and threatened to torture him to death. I can't blame her for targeting Dimitri like she did. Hell, I don't think even Dimitri himself blames her for wanting him dead, given that he had already prepared himself to be the target of vengeful souls. It's just cosmic irony that her anger was directed at the wrong person, and she also kills the wrong person in pursuit of said revenge. And then she's killed by the same person who killed her brother too. So much tragic irony there. It's great narratively.
@@l.n.3372 Indeed it is. And even more ironic is that Dimitri spent the past five years dedicating himself to taking revenge on Edelgard, despite the fact that she wasn't the one responsible for the Tragedy of Duscur. Fleche's attempt on his life, I think was the very first moment he actually questioned whether Edelgard was truly responsible for the Tragedy of Duscur, or if she truly did have nothing to do with it like she said. And Dimitri most certainly doesn't blame Fleche for wanting him dead. That much is clear during his long awaited A-Support with Byleth. For just like you said, he'd prepared himself to be the target of vengeful souls for the things he's done.
@Quentin Echols I'd say it's more about the cycle of revenge etc. Even Rodrigue warns Dimitri after they reunite that he doesn't approve of revenge but that he won't/can't stop Dimitri from pursuing it despite it's dangers.
He's actually not. Caspar isn't angry at Dimitri at all. They didn't even know each other growing up, and Caspar doesn't have any lingering resentment or grief. Hell, Dimitri even apologized to Caspar post chapter 18 if you speak with Caspar during monastery exploration. Caspar said he appreciated the efforts but he never blamed Dimitri.
@@l.n.3372 Maybe he isn't angry per se, but he's still troubled by the death of a family member (albeit one he didn't know well), disturbed by Dimitri's brutality, and worried about what, if any, place he, a former Empire noble, has in the army.
@@mortiphasm6816 I've played azure moon twice but only recruited Caspar once. But I could have sworn that Caspar was very nonchalant about his uncle's death during monastery dialogue. He's far more nervous about the possibility of facing his own father or brother, which never happens. Linhardt actually does mention that nobody trusts him with important tasks because he's former Black Eagles. But Caspar in his support with Catherine certainly doesn't support wonton deaths. But I think he understands that his uncle was an enemy general and that's what happens in war. They each chose their own path I suppose.
I feel really bad for Randolph. Idk why folks are bashing him when all he's doing is doing is job. And Dimitri didn't have to go and do what he did after this battle, that's just too much. If he supposedly knows what he's doing, then that makes it all the more worse, doesn't it? Either way, if there's anyone who should be brutally tortured, it should be Arundel/Thales. I would've loved to see that, but instead he meets a pathetic end in this route.
Thales being tortured by Dimitri? That's some good stuff right there. I agree; Dimitri went too far with that psychological torture, but he had a point.
His job is to kill innocent people and Subjugate all people to the Empire under the pretense of Glory. If you think that's Honourable, then you suffer under Moral Myopia, because Dimitri was right about Randolph, he is a monster. Him realizing the moral issues of his actions doesn't make it worse, if makes it better, because he wants to be punished afterwards, hence why he always says that he deserves death, when he dies, even in his feral state. Dimitri might be harsh, but he is much fairer than Randolph, because he doesn't pretend to fight for a higher cause.
People don't like Rudolph because he's whining that people are defending themselves against a hostile Empire trying to reconquer the land because they're greedy the Empire at the end of the day are imperialist thru-and-thru they're committing atrocities everyday in this war in a war that is honestly unprovoked by everyone else's perspective except for the empire which we know literally brainwashes and lies about history in order to make them seem like there's a good guys
Those 3 squadrons of pegasus knights are gonna get fucked by that one-eyed demon who had just defeated their general in front of them..... not literally though.
Yeah They deserved to be left half dead in the middle of the battlefield and agonize in their last minutes of their life, especially Fleche And don't make me start talking about Acheron
Yup the monster who happily goes into war to kill innocent people and then when he is finally beaten by those people begs for his life and tries to excuse his actions.
Dude Rudolph is a monster in every route as he is willing and happily killing innocent people for glory. He then had the nerve to beg for mercy after denying it to others and act like he is morally superior.
While Dimitri has a point about both sides in war being guilty of murder, I also find it a bit hard to consider a general fighting for his country to be just as bad as a revenge-obsessed man who went around brutally killing enemy soldiers and committing other crimes for five years.
@@ZiggyWSB I would say yes. I mean I I consider someone who goes out of their way to cause as much suffering as possible when killing to be morally worse than someone who just kills in the name of service.
@@justinbowen5574 To be fair if he just ran and didn't kill, the imperial soldiers would have killed him anyways. I mean heck Edelgard sent Cornelia out of all people to make Faerghus a Dukedom. Considering Cornelia is a Slither, I wasn't surprised she suppressed Fhirdiad and framed Dimitri for killing his Uncle. He is a fugitive. The dude was supposed to be executed 5 years ago so Dimitri killing Imperial Soldiers I find justified since they would ruthlessly kill him anyway like they did in Golden Deer. Hilda literally said Dimitri collapsed from exhaustion chasing after Edelgard. I mean the man is physically drained yet the imperial soldiers just do overkill on him by piercing through him with several lances and spears. His death may have been fruitless, but it didn't have to be as gruesome as Hilda described. So I don't get why they would make a big deal out of Dimitiri killing when they are ruthlessly doing the same to their enemies in a similar gruesome fashion. The imperials are just being hypocrites to put themselves above everybody else like that in their name of justice. It's pretty arrogant if you ask me.
one is a general fighting for his country, the other is a rebel who is already been falsely sentenced to death fighting for his country that has been destroyed by the other. I am not seeing the gap between these positions, at least not a wide one. Dimitri is cruel and obsessed, I will grant it, but how is this worse than cracking crest stones and shoving them in children to make Demon Beasts to be shock troops again?
As late as this is to the party: To all of you people who are arguing over Randolph's/Edelgard's/etc. behavior vs. Dimitri's/etc. behavior: Stop it. Get some help. I mean seriously these people aren't real, and they're fighting wars over political ideologies, AKA, opinions. It's safe to say that none of them is wrong by that logic; there's literally no good guy or bad guy here save for the root of the problem, which is TWSITD. Just play the damn game and enjoy it for what it is, okay? There's no point in starting flame wars over a collection of 1s and 0s.
Opinions can be wrong and Edelgard and Randolph are very wrong, this Bloodshed was terrible. Dimitri torturing him was a bit overboard, but not entire unjust. People can discuss things freely, they have the right to do so.
Let's address these questions in a relevant order: I didn't say anything about people not being allowed to talk about it. I said people shouldn't be starting flame wars over it. And to get to the meat of the discussion, no, an opinion cannot be wrong. A fact can be wrong, and it's a fact that the bloodshed present in three houses is horrible. However, an opinion, unlike a fact, has nothing that can be considered as evidence to prove that it is right or wrong, save for other opinions; those differing opinions are also proven right or wrong by other opinions, which therein renders the entire argument null and void. It's like trying to solve a court case with no evidence. No matter the crime, if there's no evidence available that proves that the defendant is guilty or innocent, it becomes nothing short of he-said-she-said. So to make a long story short: an opinion can be *different.* It cannot be *incorrect,* as opinions are not concrete things. But hey it's your opinion, and you're not wrong in believing what you believe in. ;P
@@bahamutfateburn6091 because this game clearly wants us to talk about the mortality of the situation and saying people should stop is disrespecting the amount of work that the people who made the game put into it
People call Randolph the hypocrite here so easily from his line. Yeah, see, unlike Dimitri, Randolph isn't out for the sake of killing people. He's fighting a war and thus fights battles, where he's forced to kill people. Not exactly someone that enjoys the thought of killing people. But Dimitri murders others for the sake of quenching his thirst for revenge. Nothing more. If Dimitri is more absolved cause he admits he's a monster and then says sorry cause he feels bad later, then I have more issues here. Even worse given how the guy tries to torture poor Randolph to death.
But Dimitri doesn’t kill for the hell of it either, he kills those that go after him, a.k.a Imperial Soldiers, or bad people, a.k.a bandits out of crazed sense of justice. Randolph kills people on the opposing side, and so does Dimitri. The only difference is that Dimitri relishes in it. That’s it. That’s why we feel Randolph is a hypocrite; he’s getting mad at Dimitri for killing his men when he’s killing other people’s men too. When Dimitri brings this up in the torture scene, Randolph goes, “IT’S WAR!” Exactly. So why is it okay for HIM to kill and not Dimitri?
@@fantasyfan1836 Except that isn't the case. Dimitri is literally going around killing for the SAKE of killing. He's not in it for some duty or even self-defense. He literally states that the "rats" have to be exterminated and such. He isn't trying to fight for any purpose. He's fighting just to kill because the voices in his head tell him to. Randolph, on the other hand, is fighting strictly as a soldier. He is killing because he's in a war, and he needs to fight to kill. And he does it because he wants to help his family out. His mother and sister are the reason why he is fighting in this war. He fights with a purpose. When the man that fights for a purpose meets a man that kills for the sake of killing, then Randolph has every right to make that remark. Dimitri is a murderer. Randolph is a soldier.
@@fantasyfan1836 There is a difference. Dimitri kills people who attacked first. Randolph kills people in a country that didn't attack the empire until the empire attacked them first. You shouldn't get to attack someone and then complain that your victim isn't fighting back in the way you want them to.
@Axis Oof, didn’t know you responded, apologies! Anyway, exactly-Dimitri’s ghosts tell him to. It’s not because he just enjoys it for the sake of it it’s because he feels he owes them; that they died for him and he needs to pay them back. Dimitri (so he perceives) is fighting for his family as surely as Randolph is. Except Dimitri knows what he’s doing isn’t okay. Randolph pulls up on a Monastery filled with innocent priests, orphans, and children then attacks it UNPROVOKED and has the gal to whine about Dimitri being a monster for killing Imperial Soldiers that were hunting him down like a dog. And side note: Those rats were not innocent-they were Bandits a.k.a people who kill and steal for money sooo I don’t see how Dimitri killing them was a bad thing? Can you explain?
Giving Dimitri a killer lance is like putting water into an already overflowing pool
whistles "innocently" and looks away
I feel pride.
Giving Dimitri battalion vantage + wrath and a killer lance
Fleche will remember that
I hate Fleche in Blue Lions. She is just a plot device to make sure the Alliance doesn't join with the Kingdom. Also, Randolf just dies without any reaction in GD/Church.
She'll never forgive him, you know.
@@fishyweeb4820 probably beacuse randolf died honorably, while here dimitri was setting him up for a torturous death before byleth came in
@@Fabriciod_Crv Yeah, I understand why she is upset. Still doesn't change the fact she is just there in the Blue Lions to make sure the Gronder Field battle happens and the Alliance doesn't join the Kindom.
FishyWeeb wait I don’t remember that part, blue lions was my first path so it’s been a while lol. Wasn’t she just part of the army going along with them?
Criticals: exist
Dimitri: It's free real estate
Although very insane, DImitri has no problems calling people out for their hypocrisy and I love it
JoltDrop i mean before the time skip he was the biggest hypocrite and he hated himself then, so it makes sense.
@@yomama8212 He's not an hypocrite, before Timeskip he has PSTD and wants to kill only those he thinks are affiliated with the responsible of Duscur tragedy
Even himself post timeskip and it's great. That alone probably made me like him a lot more than Edelgard and her astounding lack of self awareness.
angel -mist I guess you’re the opposite of me. Pre Time Skip, Claude and Edelgard were better than Dimitri in my opinion. Post time skip, I think all of the main 3 lords are equally. Not in personality of course.. I don’t know about self awareness tho. I think the right word is incredibly arrogant and naive.
Not sure if you were calling Dimitri arrogant and naive Inkling, but Dimitri does have self awareness on a majority of paths despite going a bit insane. Heck, even in Crimson Flower even though he still wants revenge, he still calmed down to the point of being a King for the Kingdom that need him in comparison to other routes where he can care less about the Kingdom. Arrogant and naive is Edelgard a majority of the time. Hell, even Claude calls her out in the prologue and she retorts at Claude lacking self awareness which is ironic especially since she loses herself in most paths with Blue Lions being her at her most desperate and lost. I mean one of her attacks in Blue Lions is called "Withered Flower" after all.
When the player plays all the paths she becomes overall naive which adds to her being a tragic antivillain since we know all the information and also know that Those who Slither manipulated history as much as Rhea did. I mean she believed the people who persecuted her for so long. Maybe her gullibility for their lies was a result of trauma.
In terms of self awareness, she even has the gall to say lines in her own path like "Must you retaliate and reconquer?". Sure the line itself was written bad as a "No U", but even if it was written with better words in mind, the point she made still stands. I mean what did she expect? People to be on board with her taking control of somebody else's territory? You may help her simmer down in her path, but she is still much more naive and arrogant than Dimitri or Claude. She pretty much put shame on Emperor Wilhelm's memory. Edelgard may have noble intentions, but she is "My way, or the highway". Honestly I find it ironic that outside of her path she doesn't step down from leadership and she basically becomes Rhea 2.0. She's a parallel to Rhea.
Both are incredibly arrogant and naive and unfit to rule without proper guidance. I mean without Byleth, Edelgard is so hellbent on "winning" that the ideals of hers become even more extreme and lack morals. Rhea is so hellbent with her mommy issues and is too focused on the past and becomes indifferent towards the issues of present day while Edelgard is too focused on the future and fails to see the issues with her war in the present whenever she doesn't have Byleth as her teacher. Dimitri on the otherhand doesn't want to rule and accepts his role as a monster in his "Punished form". Hell he is so far gone that even if he managed to kill Edelgard in his punished state, he would probably kill himself afterwards. The dude's resolve wavers a lot and in most paths where he doesn't care about ruling, he is fine with dying a fruitless death until you snap him out of it. Dimitri has the awareness of his monstrous acts so his issue isn't arrogance. It's more because he's as much suicidal as he is homicidal. He pretty much taunts Byleth to kill him because they don't approve of what he's become. He has no regards to the lives of his enemy and even his own life.
Randolph: "Life is worthless to you isn't it"
Dimitri: "your's is"
“One-eyed demon”
Hmmm, that reminds me of a certain “Bringer of Chaos”, if you catch my drift.
Damn i know the reference
yeah i loved that game. :3
Hehehehehheeh.
Got to love the Zekenator.
And Nia...
And Mòrag...
basically everyone that isn’t Rex really.
@@rustkarl aww did you had to put the cat out of the bag?
Ah yes, the Zekenator, the true main character of this game
What I find weird and somewhat irritating is that Randolph seems to act like Dimitri killing his men is a war crime.
But it’s perfectly fine for him to attack a monastery.
He works for Edelgard being a hypocrite is part of the job
4wheal
Yeah Yeah i’m fully aware.
Seems that her attitude seems to trickle down.
@@rustkarl I mean that monastery houses enemy troops and a militant order of knights in direct opposition to the empire. What would you do as an imperial general, especially concidering that the Empire as at war with the church? Leave them be and hang around, waiting to be attacked?
Not just randolph, everyone (including Dimitri) seems to act like dimitri is some horrible murderer. Like yeah he's edgy as hell but he was killing ENEMY SOLDIERS. that's what everyone in the game is doing.
@@aintfalco7968 Maybe it's more HOW Dimitri is viewing the enemy soldiers he's killing - that he thinks absolutely nothing of their deaths.
"You took the words from my mouth, general!"
Caspar: HE SAID IT, HE SAID MY LINE-
I imagine Marianne was left horrified at what Dimitri did next to Randolph.
Do you mean what he did verbally? Because he shattered Randolph with mere words, but Byleth was the one who actually sliced him before Dimitri could even finish his sentence.
"I won't let this hold me back" Marianne said as she attempts to forget Dimitri's absolutely terrifying critic quote
Marianne: This is fine
@@michaelolegario6399 I feel like there might have been some torture along with those words
That ‘Ha!’, the voice acting is superb
Ah, this was one of my favorite parts of the whole Azure Moon route. Even when murder-crazy, Dimitri was still willing to call bullshit when he saw it. Unfortunately for Randolph, getting one-shot was light compared to what came next for him.
Dimitri knows more than most that it takes one to know one. Randolph made a massive mistake sending the entirety of what was left of his forces into an obvious trap, all because of a petty insult. That one move of his smeared his hands with the blood of his own men, and Randolph didn't even acknowledge it during Dimitri's emotional torture. It's quite clear that his words were getting Randolph despite the young general's attempts to pretend he was better than Dimitri.
Randolph gets one shot by Dimitri only to get one-shot by Byleth... permanently.
I just wish I could leave Dimitri to his own devices after this fight!
"OUT OF MY WAY!!!"
Proceeds to brutally stab the floor
Ah, paired him with Marianne? A man of culture i see
QuickSilverKitsune it’s not random, it’s based on support points.
When I want to pair somebody together I get their A support and don’t do any other A support for those characters until nearly the end of the game. They can’t earn any more points until your increase their support level.
@@QuickSilverKitsune It's not a randomized pairing. It's the pairing at the top of the list of "Closest Allies" in the menu. So if you just grind that support a fuck ton before the final map it should change it.
@Ironbay Knight G I mean, I agree. But what we got is what we have to work with. As far as the rest of the game it's among my favorite FE games ever tbh.
And then marianna hung herself because she saw some gruesome sh*t
I’m so glad that crit happened! The timing was perfect!
And my personal favorite of his insane crit quotes too I love it!
Same
@@LittleMissZackyVee My personal favorite is "Don't struggle!"
@@thefakejoey8549 all of them are amazing but everything about Dimitri is amazing tbh
Dimitri gives the word Brutally Honest a new meaning.
Time skip Dimitri is just amazing
You took the words right out of my mouth was a savage clap back
I think they were trying to get you to care about this guy in Crimson Flower but when he ended up dead I was like, "I don't even know who that is?". If I didn't have a chance to recruit him, and keep him alive, why would I care if he died?
It's been a while since my first playthrough, so hearing Dimitri's quotes from right after the timeskip...oof
Very fitting considering what happens in the next scene...
Dimitri’s voice does things to me-
I couldn’t get this dialogue because Felix killed every last one of them
Felix is a beast unit lool I couldn't get the dialogue because Randolph chose the dumb decision to run at byleth and she critical shot him lol
I mean, Felix was just following Dimitri's orders
@@Jessica-zf8kh And Byleth unintentionally followed Dimitri's orders
Wow, someone called someone else a bastard in this game.
I thought everyone was a dastard.
There are a number of times characters say "bastard". Like Claude calling Nemesis a "crusty, old bastard". I don't remember any other instances in this game though.
I remember Sully in FE: Awakening calling Robin a bastard in her S-Support cutscene, too. It's uncommon, but sometimes happens. A bit strange.
Feral Dimitri= Beast Dimitri= Best Dimitri lol
Marianne: I GOTTA GET OUTTA HERE
Marianne is behind him like... shaking
depending on where their support level is, you could make an argument that she has a rather interesting perspective on what is happening inside his once dapper skull.
@@davidlewis5312 I love their supports, I'm so glad units have dialogue with members outside their house.
Dimitri. I don't think Randolph makes for a very good rally bot...
Gilbert was my ninja here. We satisfied his thirst for blood.
It was at that moment that Randolphe knew, that he fucked up.
Dimitri managed to get a critical hit because Randolph didn't say dastard.
Randolph was such a hypocrite in the Blue Lions route. Dimitri may have gone off the deep end, but Randolph was serving in an army that invaded Dimitri’s country and had ripped the continent apart with a war his side started. The Imperial soldiers Dimitri killed were inside _Kingdom_ borders, not Empire borders. Plus, why did this fight even occur? Oh, that’s right - Randolph attacked Garreg Mach! Like geez dude, have some self-awareness!
Mia 💯💯
There is a difference between fighting in a war as a soldier, doing your orders and brutally mutilating everyone you come across. I think that's what Randolph meant, Dimitri was brutal for his victims.
@@xyre9262 The people who invaded his country and tried to kill him?
@@Mia-dt3gl I see your point, but still that doesn't justify torturing people just to look at them suffer. Killing people in battle is bad, but capturing them and trying to gouge their eyes out just for lulz is just inhuman, no matter which side are you on.
@@xyre9262 I never said that I supported Dimitri torturing Randolph. That scene was uncomfortable to watch. However I don’t think Randolph was in any position to condemn Dimitri for his actions when _he_ was the aggressor in this situation.
Randolph sure has a tendency to take the words from other's mouth (dimitri and his nephew caspar) :v
Hearing bastard instead of dastard in a fe game is weird fr
I love crazy Dimitri.
Knowing that Dimitri killed Randolph after the fight in the cutscene, I didn’t think to try to fight him with Dimitri.
He didn't kill him. It was u because u didn't like what he was doing.
The irony is that Byleth killed Randolph as a mercy kill to spare him from Dimitri's torture.
@Quentin Echols
I wouldn't call her an idiot. She probably only saw her dead brother's corpse and assumed the one eyed demon killed him after hearing Dimitri taunted her brother and threatened to torture him to death. I can't blame her for targeting Dimitri like she did. Hell, I don't think even Dimitri himself blames her for wanting him dead, given that he had already prepared himself to be the target of vengeful souls. It's just cosmic irony that her anger was directed at the wrong person, and she also kills the wrong person in pursuit of said revenge. And then she's killed by the same person who killed her brother too. So much tragic irony there. It's great narratively.
@@l.n.3372 Indeed it is. And even more ironic is that Dimitri spent the past five years dedicating himself to taking revenge on Edelgard, despite the fact that she wasn't the one responsible for the Tragedy of Duscur. Fleche's attempt on his life, I think was the very first moment he actually questioned whether Edelgard was truly responsible for the Tragedy of Duscur, or if she truly did have nothing to do with it like she said. And Dimitri most certainly doesn't blame Fleche for wanting him dead. That much is clear during his long awaited A-Support with Byleth. For just like you said, he'd prepared himself to be the target of vengeful souls for the things he's done.
@Quentin Echols
I'd say it's more about the cycle of revenge etc. Even Rodrigue warns Dimitri after they reunite that he doesn't approve of revenge but that he won't/can't stop Dimitri from pursuing it despite it's dangers.
Caspar's half-uncle. Hes particularly upset with Dimtri after this mission if you recruit him.
He's actually not. Caspar isn't angry at Dimitri at all. They didn't even know each other growing up, and Caspar doesn't have any lingering resentment or grief.
Hell, Dimitri even apologized to Caspar post chapter 18 if you speak with Caspar during monastery exploration. Caspar said he appreciated the efforts but he never blamed Dimitri.
If Caspar was the one who killed Randolph, it wouldve made family reuinions awkward.
@@l.n.3372 Maybe he isn't angry per se, but he's still troubled by the death of a family member (albeit one he didn't know well), disturbed by Dimitri's brutality, and worried about what, if any, place he, a former Empire noble, has in the army.
@@mortiphasm6816
I've played azure moon twice but only recruited Caspar once. But I could have sworn that Caspar was very nonchalant about his uncle's death during monastery dialogue. He's far more nervous about the possibility of facing his own father or brother, which never happens. Linhardt actually does mention that nobody trusts him with important tasks because he's former Black Eagles. But Caspar in his support with Catherine certainly doesn't support wonton deaths. But I think he understands that his uncle was an enemy general and that's what happens in war. They each chose their own path I suppose.
I feel really bad for Randolph. Idk why folks are bashing him when all he's doing is doing is job. And Dimitri didn't have to go and do what he did after this battle, that's just too much. If he supposedly knows what he's doing, then that makes it all the more worse, doesn't it?
Either way, if there's anyone who should be brutally tortured, it should be Arundel/Thales. I would've loved to see that, but instead he meets a pathetic end in this route.
Thales being tortured by Dimitri? That's some good stuff right there. I agree; Dimitri went too far with that psychological torture, but he had a point.
His job is to kill innocent people and Subjugate all people to the Empire under the pretense of Glory. If you think that's Honourable, then you suffer under Moral Myopia, because Dimitri was right about Randolph, he is a monster. Him realizing the moral issues of his actions doesn't make it worse, if makes it better, because he wants to be punished afterwards, hence why he always says that he deserves death, when he dies, even in his feral state.
Dimitri might be harsh, but he is much fairer than Randolph, because he doesn't pretend to fight for a higher cause.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 well said
People don't like Rudolph because he's whining that people are defending themselves against a hostile Empire trying to reconquer the land because they're greedy the Empire at the end of the day are imperialist thru-and-thru they're committing atrocities everyday in this war in a war that is honestly unprovoked by everyone else's perspective except for the empire which we know literally brainwashes and lies about history in order to make them seem like there's a good guys
Randolph can die in a ditch full of shit as far as i care
I have actually never seen this dialouge before, and im good at accidentally finding hidden dialouge in fe games
Those 3 squadrons of pegasus knights are gonna get fucked by that one-eyed demon who had just defeated their general in front of them..... not literally though.
Rip Randolph. He and Flèche deserved so much better than they got in this game.:(
Fire Emblem Three Houses, the game where (almost) everyone deserved better
Yeah
They deserved to be left half dead in the middle of the battlefield and agonize in their last minutes of their life, especially Fleche
And don't make me start talking about Acheron
@@seb3150 Acheron deserves that, these two don't
Yup the monster who happily goes into war to kill innocent people and then when he is finally beaten by those people begs for his life and tries to excuse his actions.
@@4wheal you sure you’re not talking about Dimitri
I really feel sorry for Randolph in this route right or wrong he was just doing his duty as a general
Dude Rudolph is a monster in every route as he is willing and happily killing innocent people for glory.
He then had the nerve to beg for mercy after denying it to others and act like he is morally superior.
Not really he chose to side with tge empire and cause unnecessary bloodshed
While Dimitri has a point about both sides in war being guilty of murder, I also find it a bit hard to consider a general fighting for his country to be just as bad as a revenge-obsessed man who went around brutally killing enemy soldiers and committing other crimes for five years.
But that makes it's okay?
Why? Just because one is expected in a war and the other isn't?
@@ZiggyWSB I would say yes. I mean I I consider someone who goes out of their way to cause as much suffering as possible when killing to be morally worse than someone who just kills in the name of service.
@@justinbowen5574 To be fair if he just ran and didn't kill, the imperial soldiers would have killed him anyways. I mean heck Edelgard sent Cornelia out of all people to make Faerghus a Dukedom. Considering Cornelia is a Slither, I wasn't surprised she suppressed Fhirdiad and framed Dimitri for killing his Uncle. He is a fugitive. The dude was supposed to be executed 5 years ago so Dimitri killing Imperial Soldiers I find justified since they would ruthlessly kill him anyway like they did in Golden Deer. Hilda literally said Dimitri collapsed from exhaustion chasing after Edelgard. I mean the man is physically drained yet the imperial soldiers just do overkill on him by piercing through him with several lances and spears. His death may have been fruitless, but it didn't have to be as gruesome as Hilda described. So I don't get why they would make a big deal out of Dimitiri killing when they are ruthlessly doing the same to their enemies in a similar gruesome fashion. The imperials are just being hypocrites to put themselves above everybody else like that in their name of justice. It's pretty arrogant if you ask me.
one is a general fighting for his country, the other is a rebel who is already been falsely sentenced to death fighting for his country that has been destroyed by the other. I am not seeing the gap between these positions, at least not a wide one. Dimitri is cruel and obsessed, I will grant it, but how is this worse than cracking crest stones and shoving them in children to make Demon Beasts to be shock troops again?
Man, the hypocrisy is real.
Not in the game tho.
As late as this is to the party:
To all of you people who are arguing over Randolph's/Edelgard's/etc. behavior vs. Dimitri's/etc. behavior:
Stop it. Get some help.
I mean seriously these people aren't real, and they're fighting wars over political ideologies, AKA, opinions.
It's safe to say that none of them is wrong by that logic; there's literally no good guy or bad guy here save for the root of the problem, which is TWSITD.
Just play the damn game and enjoy it for what it is, okay? There's no point in starting flame wars over a collection of 1s and 0s.
Opinions can be wrong and Edelgard and Randolph are very wrong, this Bloodshed was terrible. Dimitri torturing him was a bit overboard, but not entire unjust.
People can discuss things freely, they have the right to do so.
Let's address these questions in a relevant order:
I didn't say anything about people not being allowed to talk about it. I said people shouldn't be starting flame wars over it.
And to get to the meat of the discussion, no, an opinion cannot be wrong. A fact can be wrong, and it's a fact that the bloodshed present in three houses is horrible.
However, an opinion, unlike a fact, has nothing that can be considered as evidence to prove that it is right or wrong, save for other opinions; those differing opinions are also proven right or wrong by other opinions, which therein renders the entire argument null and void.
It's like trying to solve a court case with no evidence.
No matter the crime, if there's no evidence available that proves that the defendant is guilty or innocent, it becomes nothing short of he-said-she-said.
So to make a long story short: an opinion can be *different.* It cannot be *incorrect,* as opinions are not concrete things.
But hey it's your opinion, and you're not wrong in believing what you believe in. ;P
no
@@esukgfjyijlgul5335 "no" on what grounds?
@@bahamutfateburn6091 because this game clearly wants us to talk about the mortality of the situation and saying people should stop is disrespecting the amount of work that the people who made the game put into it
People call Randolph the hypocrite here so easily from his line. Yeah, see, unlike Dimitri, Randolph isn't out for the sake of killing people. He's fighting a war and thus fights battles, where he's forced to kill people. Not exactly someone that enjoys the thought of killing people. But Dimitri murders others for the sake of quenching his thirst for revenge. Nothing more. If Dimitri is more absolved cause he admits he's a monster and then says sorry cause he feels bad later, then I have more issues here. Even worse given how the guy tries to torture poor Randolph to death.
But Dimitri doesn’t kill for the hell of it either, he kills those that go after him, a.k.a Imperial Soldiers, or bad people, a.k.a bandits out of crazed sense of justice. Randolph kills people on the opposing side, and so does Dimitri. The only difference is that Dimitri relishes in it. That’s it.
That’s why we feel Randolph is a hypocrite; he’s getting mad at Dimitri for killing his men when he’s killing other people’s men too. When Dimitri brings this up in the torture scene, Randolph goes, “IT’S WAR!” Exactly. So why is it okay for HIM to kill and not Dimitri?
@@fantasyfan1836 Except that isn't the case. Dimitri is literally going around killing for the SAKE of killing. He's not in it for some duty or even self-defense. He literally states that the "rats" have to be exterminated and such. He isn't trying to fight for any purpose. He's fighting just to kill because the voices in his head tell him to.
Randolph, on the other hand, is fighting strictly as a soldier. He is killing because he's in a war, and he needs to fight to kill. And he does it because he wants to help his family out. His mother and sister are the reason why he is fighting in this war. He fights with a purpose.
When the man that fights for a purpose meets a man that kills for the sake of killing, then Randolph has every right to make that remark.
Dimitri is a murderer. Randolph is a soldier.
@@fantasyfan1836 There is a difference. Dimitri kills people who attacked first. Randolph kills people in a country that didn't attack the empire until the empire attacked them first. You shouldn't get to attack someone and then complain that your victim isn't fighting back in the way you want them to.
@Aquilenne Agreed 👏
@Axis Oof, didn’t know you responded, apologies!
Anyway, exactly-Dimitri’s ghosts tell him to. It’s not because he just enjoys it for the sake of it it’s because he feels he owes them; that they died for him and he needs to pay them back. Dimitri (so he perceives) is fighting for his family as surely as Randolph is.
Except Dimitri knows what he’s doing isn’t okay. Randolph pulls up on a Monastery filled with innocent priests, orphans, and children then attacks it UNPROVOKED and has the gal to whine about Dimitri being a monster for killing Imperial Soldiers that were hunting him down like a dog.
And side note: Those rats were not innocent-they were Bandits a.k.a people who kill and steal for money sooo I don’t see how Dimitri killing them was a bad thing? Can you explain?