I am the guy that invented the Groovmaster and I make them myself. I use 3/8" polycarbonate, not acrylic. They are very rugged and polycarbonate is virtually unbreakable, and in this case the best clear material to use. Clear means you can see the label is dry and takes the worry out of what is happening inside where the label is. Thanks to all that have one and all that plan to.
That was a genius idea. I use a similar product. I don't need an expensive machine I can clean them to the point that that's as clean as it's gonna get.
Excellent post, most collectors would freak out seeing this method. I have been cleaning my lps the same way for years with great results. Love the use of a paint pad for the scrubber.
Yeah, I think you have to consider the microfiber as disposable after a few turns in the dryer - they just can't handle the abuse. I am working on a DIY design using two thin tubes (think antennae on a bug) that will vacuum both sides at once - or I might just break down and buy a KAB EV-1 one day (Christmas maybe?)... Thanks for watching and for your original post/video!
Neat device! It sounds like our cleaning solution recipes are identical. I love the paint pad idea. Never thought of using one that way. Great demo overall, Kris!
I just tried this method today. Used 1/3 99.8% IPA and 2/3 of lab quality distilled water, plus a few ml of Finish Jet-Dry Rinse Aid. The results are AMAZING. Some lps that looked so old (and sounded not so good) now appear like new, and are a pleasure to hear.
Fantastic, Francisco! Ultrasonic/Cavitation has come down significantly in price where I would recommend that over a vacuum machine, but honestly this method works almost as well and I think you have more control over the process, plus I also believe it works better against nicotine which plagues a large percentage of albums from the time period.
My pleasure! So glad you were able to DIY a solution. If you notice lots of oiliness or it doesn't seem to get clean, and enzyme cleaner works great - I use Natures Miracle, meant for animal messes, but it actually is very gentle and works great; spray on, use your paint pad, then follow with the mix then the rinse.
Good video. I especially liked that Groove Master. Right now I've been using sink water (I know - it's supposed to be bad but so far the records have sounded fine) and a tiny bit of the Dawn liquid to create some slight suds. Believe it or not, I've had the labels get wet and they still dry fine if you pat them dry quickly. I actually dry records with paper towels but the type that don't shed much, if at all. I let a record stand and dry for at least one hour afterward. Cheers!
theespressokid1 Absolutely. I recently got a tiny microscope and now I can visually see the huge difference this product and my method does. I did just plain water and then cleaned as showed in the video - huge difference.
I'm not sure if you actually watched the whole video or listened, but I first rinsed with tap water to dislodge the dust, then used a distilled water/isopropyl mix as the clean, then I rinsed with distilled water to remove any of the calcium, etc. from the initial wash. Then I used a static-free microfibre cloth.
I've used your tips and suprawes' tips and found this method is the best for cleaning records. I already cleaned 12+ records and no problem. The groovmaster is definitely worth the money (bought from eBay). I am also fortunate to have access to 99.5% Isopropyl alcohol. Thanx!
Nice! I sometimes get stuff that is so dirty it needs the sink even before I use my contraption. The Groovmaster could come in handy. I was finding that my microfiber cloths were shedding some even after washing and quit using them.
+MrClassicalMusic1 Absolutely. I now use Scrubbing Bubbles exclusively - it works wonders and is perfectly safe (been used for years at people on the Steve Hoffman forum, and I have used it a better part of a year now, myself)... Thanks for watching!
so far, it's working GREAT! I haven't got the Dawn in there yet, but doing the distilled water w/91% alcohol, then rinsing with distilled water. I can really hear the difference! Had one the other day that although looked pretty clean was a bit distorted and after I did this, sounded perfect. I also made a holder with 2 4" PVC clean out caps and drilled center holes and used a long screw and wing nut on one side to hold them. Thanks again for the helpful advice.
Ah, very cool - I love when they do those silly things, like google maps having an old-timey treasure map option on April Fools.. Oh well, here today, gone tomorrow. Thanks for watching the video, and if you have any DIY skills, you could make one up with 4" PVC drain plugs, some all thread, two knobs, and electrical outlet gaskets... Crap, even if you were just careful around the label (you can get them wet, it just takes longer to dry), just washing like I said will help.
Absolutely - you don't need it, but it does make it handy. You could build something similar with PVC drain pipe ends and some allthread from the hardware store. Even still, not necessary. I don't find most records need the glue, but the rinsing-washing-rinsing really does the trick. Thanks for watching!
Had to return to this one in thoughts of doing a future video. With record cleaning, just like equipment upgrades, you get to the point of diminishing returns. I wonder if the Groovmaster increased their prices? It's still cheaper than a Spin Clean and what I am finding is key to the whole process is a good distilled water rinse. Doctor Deadwax was telling me he would rinse twice and I am doing the same. The rinse is very difficult with the Spin Clean. Anyway, just to say it again, you can get your records to sound great on a limited budget.
I believe Teddy abandoned his RCM and went for the GEM Dandy... I know several quality collectors who have actually left RCMs for more sink methods as well - the rinsing I think is key. It wouldn't surprise me if the Groovmaster increased the price - while it sounds expensive, it will outlive the Earth the way it is built - it is amazingly sturdy. Of course, some dent pullers will also do the job, but this device is worth every penny. I have tried DIY RCMs and found this method to be just as good (if not better in some cases)... Audiophiles will go on about RCMs, but I do believe they can leave a charge on the record plus you really don't get that rinse flood like you can with this method. Not that RCMs aren't great - they are. I'm just saying people shouldn't dismiss this method because of its price. Thanks for rewatching, Paul.
So the more experience I get with different cleaning methods, the sink method should do just fine and I am looking to do a separate video here in the near future on electrically charging records. You're correct in that they can leave a charge if you get the record to dry. It's called the 'triboelectic effect,' if you dry rub the vinyl with a cloth or felt a charge will deposit on the vinyl. Moreover, it can defeat the purpose of the cleaning because the static charge will only attract more dust. Whenever, I do get around to doing a video, I do want to reference yours. I've also used Scrubbing Bubbles and the painter pad approach as well and it would great for getting out the heavily caked finger prints. I seem to recall that you were the first to recommend the Scrubbing Bubbles. As for the Groovmaster, I am wondering if you couldn't easily build something similar out of PVC piping and O-rings?
You certainly can DIY one, and I have as Christmas gifts: ruclips.net/video/NzAZjYtvbx8H/видео.htmlowever, William Sargent's unit is simply built better - the O ring is super heavy duty - he has a video on his channel where he puts a single sheet of toilet paper in the label area and submerges it for hours in a tank and opens it up and it is completely dry. I do believe I am the first to show the Scrubbing Bubbles - its real magic is mold removal and nicotine removal - both plague old records. You certainly can reference me and all the negative comments I have received on the method as well :)
Not a silly question. I think you will be more than okay putting it back in the same sleeve. Putting a clean record back in a paper sleeve is the real issue since that will shed paper fibers back on your clean record. Cleaning deeper will probably only yield a slightly better result, and that debris is not on the surface but deep in the groove, so it won't contaminate the mofi sleeve trying another cleaning. At least not enough to worry about or notice. Let me know the results!
It's funny - when you get an audiophile album from the 50's and 60's, guess what - the record is in a poly bag! They knew even then what paper was doing to their records... leaving deposits, scuff marks etc. Make sure you use distilled water - tap water has mineral deposits that can dry and cause ticks/crackle as well... The amounts I am using is literally a drop of dawn - but I understand you being concerned and if that works for you, go for it! Thanks for commenting!
***** Absolutely no water leaks through... I'm not sure where I said it wasn't perfect, but I am assuming it was in reference to sink cleaning in general... some issues exist in sink cleaning, but nothing in life is perfect (is assuming where I was going)... thanks so much for watching!
Well Joe, then can... Some people say that a filter on the tap for the final rinse is good enough - so that would work. For me, I hate those things, so I go with the distilled. Remember, the rinse is getting away the junk, the distilled rinse is only getting rid of the minerals that MAY be in the water, so a little goes a long way.
It will be fine - you can usually submerge a record completely under water - the label won't come off... if it is from the fifties, the ink might bleed, but mid sixties on, you are golden - just wash it with soap and water and you will be fine.
pt2 - I would add another 2 for vacuuming if I was still doing that - test and see if it REALLY is adding anything - I think us with our multiple rinses are doing the step that the vacuum does, so it doesn't become as critical. Remember, the scrubbing isn't cleaning the record, it is the solution that is really doing the work by lifting the contaminants and then flushing the solution down the drain (or up in the vacuum). This happens relatively quickly, BTW. Glad this method works for you!
I dont know why I didnt come across this video sooner but I am glad I did....thanx for making this....I am going to have to get one of those..honestly thanx for sharing this
It is great. I have a DIY video where I built one, but honestly the commercial one Bill has is outstanding and so much better. Its a once in a lifetime purchase, and I think you can get it on Amazon. Combined with Scrubbing Bubbles (another video I did), it honestly is the best cleaning solution for vinyl. I just clean them right before playing.
2/3rds Distilled Water, 1/3 90%(or better) Isopropyl Alcohol, a drop or two of Plain Blue Dawn Dish Detergent. Used by loads of people for a long time! :) Good Luck!
Lots of times when a record skips there is a particle of debris in the groove. Cleaning thoroughly with a brush is a great way to get it out, so a Groovmaster helps keep the label safe during the aggressive cleaning. Other times a skip is from a scratch. Scratch removal is questionable, but there are ways with some of them.
Like I said in the video - car dent pullers are the right size, and they don't sell for much, though I have heard people say they are too unwieldy to use...
Oh that STINKS!... the one nice thing though about having an open kitchen to the living room is that I can do this as I listen to the first album and have one on deck, ready for the next, and not have to lug out the vacuum cleaner. I have been toying with an idea for a vacuum wand that would suck out the liquid while using the Groovmaster - think like chopsticks trapping the record in between... but what I'd love to do is get some data and see if the rinse stage is enough - I suspect it might.
I've been watching different videos on cleaning records. This way seems much like my way, except I use the tap from the faucet (because I have yet to have any noticeable audio problems and records sound fine that way). Still I'm thinking of switching to distilled, except that knowing me I would want to use practically an entire jug of distilled water to rinse out the solution for just one record! I don't feel comfortable unless the record's heavily rinsed - I wish faucets ran distilled water!
The only thing I would do at the final is a mix of distilled water and distilled vinegar to neutralize the alkaline of the Dawn soap. At the PH scale acid neutralizes Alkaline and that's why vinegar is on the acid side of the ph scale. Any certified cleaner knows the ph scale and knows that in order to remove buildup residue you'll need to neutralize what ever you clean.
I understand your frustration of watching the video but not hearing the evidence. I wanted to do a before and after, but I haven't hooked up my turntable to the computer to do a recording demo, and I am only a week out of knee surgery so bending back there was out of the question - maybe when I heal up - there is one demo video out there where someone did the before and after, which confirms that at some point, the grooves are damaged and only so much can be done. Thanks for the comment!
While I think it is okay - Dawn has a few degreasing chemicals and is not particulary harsh - hand soap I think actually is a little stronger... I think anything that is eco-friendly in a dish liquid should be a good choice... remember the soap/detergent is really only breaking the water tension, so it really is very dilute - a few drops per liter is all that is needed...
Well, I did give up on the vacuuming because while it DOES help, it didn't help as much as I thought once I did the two rinses after the wash, so eliminating that step made record cleaning less timely, less complicated, and more fun. 1. Getting the record out, putting the groovmaster on, rinsing - 1 minute 2. Cleaning each side with DIY formula - 1 minute 3. Rinsing each side under tap, then with distilled water - 1 minute 4. Drying with cloth and then rack - 1 minute So, 4 minutes...
It's funny - plastic is used to carry acids, yet some people think that records are different... we drag a diamond (the strongest, toughest thing on earth) through it constantly but think water with a bit of alcohol can damage it... If anything, this method is more gentle than other cleaners... Thanks for the comments and for watching!
I enjoy these type of videos. I appreciate the time it takes to make them ( I've made a few myself). But in the end 99% of the record cleaning videos leave an essential eliment out...a before and after cleaning audio clip. I apologize for posting my frustration with record cleaning on your video. I have VPI machine and it only cleans "ok" at best. I'm always looking for a better cheaper alternative.
I have read too many good experienced vinyl guys warn against using tap water, because there are minerals in it that you can't see, that are microscopic in size that you are flooding your album with, I'm sticking with distilled water myself, better safe than sorry, once its in there it won't come out. Also alcohol in any amount is supposed to fry the vinyl, the most expensive record cleaning fluids have zero alcohol in them for that reason. I think these two things are pretty much consensus opinions among those who have been around a long time and tried everything.
+SDPickups Distilled water is definitely the way to go, and I agree about tap water - but I am on a well and have had my water tested... I don't have any minerals, or anything in my tap, so that is why I can do it. As for alcohol, ten years of experience have told me that if you wash it off, it has no effect... think about it, what is alcohol stored in? Plastic. What are you washing? Plastic. These things are much more resilient than people give them credit for... and I have PLENTY of other "experts" who can counter the arguments with actual real-life experience using their DIY wash, which has been around for 30+ years.
+Vinyl Therapy & Audio I think it has to do with my clay and the filter on the house, because I did have the water tested, and other than copper, we are pretty good. For my hot tub, I have to add LOADS of calcium to harden the water for the chemicals. I did do a visual inspection with my mini-microscope, and I have done just plain audio tests with using the distilled and not - for MY situation, it didn't make enough of a difference - but everyone has to test for themselves, really. Also, it is dirt cheap, so there is no harm for those who want to use it. Alcohol is used in many vinyl cleaning fluids and has been for years - but that doesn't mean it can't cause a problem - however since the fluid is on for such a limited time and then is rinsed off, I haven't noticed a problem in the ten years I have used the Groovmaster, nor have I read on audiokarma, Steve Hoffman forums, etc. of any issues with people who have used a DIY fluid. Having said THAT, I actually pretty much just use Scrubbing Bubbles now - works amazing, has been tested for several years by people on various forums, and has no alcohol. Thanks so much for watching, Steve... I have to catch up on your videos!
When viewing your video on a computer, there was an option next to where you change your resolution called "Tape Mode" and upon clicking it your video became distorted like an old worn out VHS. The strangest thing is, it was there when I posted this, but today it's gone. RUclips must be playing some practical jokes on me, and now I look like the crazy one. Anyway, great video, lol.
Maybe to get the best use of distilled water for rinsing, use a NEW garden pressure sprayer (like for weed killer application), that way you wont waste much of the water.
+MrUABama Definitely a great idea! Since my water is on a well and filtered, I just didn't seem to get enough of a benefit using the distilled water, so I forego it; if I was on city water, that tip would be a must-do! Thanks for watching.
I've been using your cleaning method for a while with a high degree of success. However, I notice it takes me 13min per record to clean. I first blast my record with tap water, then I spray the homemade solution and scrub with the pad, then blast with more tap water to rinse, then splash records with distilled water, then vacuum record, then dry with micro-fiber cloth, then let it fully dry on dish rack. Can you please tell me what timing you usually do for each step please?
Me again. The Groovmaster was NEVER called Dri Disk II, but the very early versions were acrylic. They are now made with various brands of polycarbonate like Lexan. Anyone who has an early acrylic version... (usually did not have the imprint as they do now) I will replace FOR FREE if you send it back to me. I have used my Groovmaster (the same one) for 14 years on literally thousands of albums and 45s with no problems, specifically NO cracking or problem with tightening the handles to "clamp down" on the Groovmaster discs.
Again, just want to say I've been using your product for at least 7-8 years, love it, still works perfectly and have been super satisfied with it. Zero issues, and I prefer it over the DIY RCM method I've tried - I feel I can do just as good a job and only need to spend about 30 seconds per record cleaning it from thrift store trash to gold.
gotham61 I don't think it will - it will sit above the unit and not submerge the record as deep as designed. Having said that, I don't know if that will be a bad thing. However, why use a spin clean if you have a Groovmaster? It kind of takes the benefit away of having the groovmaster (I know the labels get wet if you spin too quickly or too slowly on a spin clean). The great thing about the groovmaster is that you can wash in pure water - a spin clean always has the cleaning fluid on it, it dries on it, albeit without contaminates...
dixielandfarm Thanks for the quick response. I use a variety of record cleaning systems, including a VPI 17 machine. I like the Spin Clean for some jobs because of the way the brushes stay tangential and get pretty deep into the grooves. It's also far less fussy when cleaning 7" singles than the VPI. I normally use it with plain water (no cleaning solution) and change the water and rinse the brushes clean after every record. I also rinse the records under running water after scrubbing. Having some way to protect the labels and grip the record more easily during the scrub/rinse process would be a plus. Hence the question.
That is terrific, Gyruss! The RCM people refuse to believe this method can work, but I really do believe it does almost as good of a job, especially with the post wash rinse with tap followed by Distilled water. I can clean while listening, and it really does make a difference on records. Thanks for watching and commenting!
So that's how you clean your records. I'd better try that "alcohol + distillied water" combination. Most of the second hand records have greasy finger prints and they are really annoying to get rid off. That "Label Saver" looked really useful. As long as I'm not soaking my records under the water I think I can live without that. When I buy second hand records it still gets me creeps how some people have treated they vinyls! :-0 Take care, Jarkko
gyruss2000 Super easy since they are so soft. If it is an acetate, they usually have an aluminum platter in the middle, so nothing put a carbon fiber brush. If it was super far gone, I'd maybe only use distilled water with a touch of dawn (like a drop or two)... but I'd be nervous.
Thanks so much, I appreciate that. Check out my Scrubbing Bubbles video - this in combination with the Groovmaster has been fantastic... ruclips.net/user/edit?o=U&video_id=3YlmOwXXEsQ
That is fantastic. Everyone balks at the price, but the thing will out live us all and is still cheaper than a spin clean and does a BETTER job than that thing. Thanks for commenting!
Silly question: I cleaned some of my records using one method and I want to clean them again using this method in this video (because i feel like your method will really deep clean). After cleaning them the first time I put them each in a Mobile Fidelity sleeve (sort of similiar to the one in this video). Would it be okay If I say took a record out of one of these sleeves, cleaned it, and then put it back in the same sleeve? Or should I put it in a brand new sleeve?
+helmut Diggy Remember, having clean records will not only make them last longer, but the stylus. Plus they are less noisy. Even new records get cleaned in my house... If you have a few hundred records, it is a wise investment. I dare say more than an upgraded cartridge!
Glad it was informative... you can DIY yourself one, but the one built by William Sargent will last a lifetime, so either way, your records will thank you.
Here's a tip for those looking for 99% isopropyl alcohol without special ordering... You can generally find it at large computer/electronics stores like Fry's or Micro Center - Not places like Best Buy, but spots that cater to folks who repair their own electronics. Probably 3x as expensive as the 91% you can generally find at the drug store, but you do you.
Unfortunately I don't believe those stores are on the East Coast - I actually moved on to using Scrubbing Bubbles which I think is more effective (however I understand why some people wouldn't want to use it)... I heard Pert Plus is also excellent as a vinyl cleaning agent, but I never tried it (since I am happy with the Scrubbing Bubbles result). Thanks so much for letting people know and for watching!
Ebay, or you can contact the guy who makes them at wmsar@cox.net If you can't get it, or its' too pricey, im sure you can DIY one if you are handy with 4" PVC pipe caps, some gasket material, and all-thread.
+thejazz008 I actually use Scrubbing Bubbles now - the bathroom cleaner! It is amazing and really works (there is a video here about it: ruclips.net/video/3YlmOwXXEsQ/видео.html ) Most people, and what I used here in this video, is the normal DIY fluid: 1/3 90-99% Isopropyl Alcohol (70% contains additives, so don't use it), 2/3 Distilled water, and 1 or 2 drops of Blue Dawn Dish Soap (Blue Dawn has no real additives, chemicals, scents and acts as a surfactant, breaking down the water tension - you just need a drop or two).
+jaime guerrero It was an edging painting pad - you can get it at any home supply store, and the nice thing is the pads are replaceable. They have thousands and thousands of small bristles that are safe for the record and get into those grooves due to their size. $4!
My records are dirty. I'd like to wash them, but I don't know what's in my tap water. Should I then not be using this system? If it's got to be strictly distilled water for both washing and rinsing, this'll get considerably more expensive. But then, perhaps there's no alternative?
You will get a couple of different opinions on this. Generic distilled water at Walmart is eighty cents a gallon - and you don't use a lot. Method two is wash with tap, rinse when done with distilled - some will say this is perfectly fine, some will say no. Method three is to just do it and see if leaves any water spots - a telltale sign there are deposits. I say experiment and see - these things are studier than some care to admit.
Thanks for the reply. I think, since I'm making the effort, I'll err on the side of caution and go with distilled wash / distilled rinse. I understand you've converted to the Scrubbing Bubbles method. Do you have an opinion on using wood glue? Thanks again.
Yup, I only use scrubbing bubble now because it always seems to do a damn good job. Wood glue is the ultimate cleaner for records, but honestly I am just not that patient to go through the trouble. I find if a record is particularly dirty I will let the scrubbing bubbles sit for a few minutes and do it's magic. Again, I'd experiment on a few dollar records and see what you like/feel comfortable with.
OK I had to look up "Scrubbing Bubbles" -- apparently it's the name of a cleaning product (who knew) but they have dozens of forms ---- I'm going to guess the "foaming disinfectant bathroom cleaner" in a squirt bottle? As opposed to shower cleaner, toilet gel, aerosol, etc?
If you aren't from the US, it won't be easy to get an exact version (though there are several out there). It is foaming bathroom cleaner, an aerosol... It is used to clean showers and bathrooms. I don't recommend the scented or colored version. Most Americans will have easy access to the stuff, since it has been around for 20+ years. It is safe on vinyl (says so on the bottle) and has been used as a record cleaner for many years by the audiophiles over on the Steve Hoffman forum. If you are in the UK, look at the replies in my comment, I found an equivalent in Europe. Thanks for watching!
It keeps changing as it is made by one guy. You will have to google search to find the current way. I think for awhile he sold them on ebay or Amazon, but that kept changing.
It really depends where you are, but I have been doing this for many, many years without an issue. However, a quick distilled water rinse after everything displaces any minerals in the water (in my experience), and at 70 cents a bottle at Wal-Mart, its' cheap insurance. You should get some microfiber cloths; they are softer and again are like $3 a pack at Wal-Mart in the auto section. You put one on each hand and you get twice the speed in drying :) Thanks so much for watching!
Thanks so much Wolfe... I use scrubbing bubbles now as my cleaner, I have a video in my archives about it - works fantastic. I do think the sink method is given a bad rap, it can provide a great cleaning compared to a machine - sometimes even better (and sometimes not)...
It can, if the skip isn't caused by a scratch. Very often it is a foreign particle in the groove that causes a skip - cleaning can dislodge it, or at least help partially uncement it so you can pick it out with a toothpick or a fingernail....
When you wash a glass in tap water, you get water spots (usually) - these are mineral deposits that are in the water and are microscopic... Same thing with a record. Now if you cleaned the same glass with Distilled water, no water spots because there are no impurities (relatively) in it. This is why the distilled rinse is helpful (especially for me having well water). Having the best possible sound for the least cash outlay is my goal - yours may be different. Thanks for watching!
Water be it tap or distilled is no big deal. It's what cleaner you're using. Alcohol is not only good it does a lousy job cleaning. Soak plastic where the dirt is visible in dish soap Vs. Alcohol and witness the difference. Anyway, this is a great product.
Since I shot this video, I have moved on to using Scrubbing Bubbles (have another video on it). Used it for years and does a great job. There is a great article someone put up that advocates using Shampoo/Conditioner 2-in-1 and goes on why its the best cleaner for vinyl - I've been so happy with the Scrubbing Bubbles I haven't tried anything else - it does great on nicotine which plagues so many old albums - and since I rinse the heck out of the album, I never worried about it. Thanks for watching!
Hey DixieLand Farm. Where can I find me something like the Groovemaster record label saver? What is the lowest price I can find me for one like that? Who has one like that at that price? Thank you! :)
Mark Covington Only one guy makes them, Bill Sargent - email him directly at wmsarge@cox.net and he will sell you one directly. There are ways to make a DIY one, I have even a video on it, but the results are nowhere near as good. This thing works better than a spin clean, and I actually think it works better than using a machine with vacuum... so its a one time, lifetime investment - Bill's product will last you forever and is worth it.
+Mark Colegrove Good for him... I left him a good review... I've been using Scrubbing Bubbles (yes, the bathroom cleaner) and have been getting AMAZING results with it. The fact that you can really rinse and re-rinse is the reason why I really prefer this product...
+dixielandfarm A couple years ago, we had a floor that soaked a lot of my records (in the basement). For many of these, the jackets were heavily water damaged and the vinyl now has mold/mildew on it. I ordered some replacement jackets and Diskeeper sleeves and fashioned a DIY label saver based on one of your videos. I've cleaned 5 records so far with scrubbing bubbles and the DIY saver. SB seems to work very nicely and hopefully they will sound good too (haven't played them yet). The DIY label saver still allows a bit of water in, so I went ahead and ordered the Groovemaster device. Anyway, thanks for doing these vids... spurred me to go ahead and try to recover my old vinyl.
+Mark Colegrove Very good - that is what I heard from my friends who I made the DIY version - some liquid comes in and did cause some bubbling on the labels - on the real groovmaster that never happens and I have had no issue - the thing is built to last a lifetime, so it is a one time cost... compared to what we spend on vinyl it is a drop in the bucket. Glad my videos helped you, I appreciate it!
I used 90% Isopropyl. You need to stay away from Rubbing Alcohol because that usually has lanolin in it. If you can get higher, that's better, I know in Canada 99% is common, but they don't sell that openly in the US, usually. If you do a search, I actually abandoned this formula and use Scrubbing Bubbles. I have also read a fascinating online page by a chemist who actually recommends Pert Plus 2-in-1 shampoo as the best record cleaner.
Hey man, some of this stuff has been really really helpful for me, but why on Earth would you use tap water if you're going to rinse the record with distilled water afterwards? Like seriously. It takes seconds for minerals to crystallize. I mean, you can somewhat justify the alcohol part, but not the tap water.
I am on a private well here in NC and I have had my water tested; I have very little in my water compared to others. I have used this method for many years... I no longer do the distilled rinse, since I found my water is pure enough. No residue or spots are present after I dry with the microfiber towels. I have washed hundreds upon hundreds of records using the groovmaster, though I have switched over to using scrubbing bubbles as my cleaning agent now. Thanks so much for watching!
I guess in your case there's not that much of a problem with mineral deposits. I know that what you're trying to explain here is a more affordable way of wet cleaning anyway, which is good and much appreciated. But still, some people are going to watch you using tap water and probably going to do the same, regardless of their location or water hardness. Anyway, thanks for responding. I did learn quite a bit from this video when I first watched it about a week ago, specially about replacing the sleeves and the surfactant. I could not find a Groovmaster dealer who shipped to my location, so I was considering getting the label protector from Vinyl Stack. Do you think it would work well?
I have a DIY video on ones I made for friends, search the channel and you can see what I whipped up. I have also heard people using dent pullers for cars which are four inches, cover the label perfectly and are cheap. Even at that, if you just use distilled water for the whole process and are careful, you can problem try anything on a test record and see how you do. Getting the label wet isnt a huge deal if you wipe it off quickly... They are almost waterproof.
Ok, sorry if I was a bit disturbed by your video, my records are like friends, I know it’s strange, but I used to be a DJ, from my 17 years until now, I, m 49, and Each one them reminds me a lot of things, again sorry
That's okay, Rudy. Records are hard plastic - they are both equally fragile and quite durable at the same time - which is why they survive DJ gigs :) They also survive us dragging the hardest surface known to man, a diamond, and survive each time. Honestly washing with just plain soap water has been LESS of an issue then getting the right particle stuck on a carbon fiber or felt brush and wiping the record - plus I have used many different formulas and the water/alcohol/surfactant has been less of an issue than a "professional" cleaner which is usually more alcohol and other solvents. I have actually switched to Scrubbing Bubbles which was mentioned on the audiophile Steve Hoffman forum for many years and this is just the right amount of cleaner that is both safe and amazingly good at removing particulates and contamination, especially nicotine. I have known audiophiles who have left their record cleaning machines to a method similar to this - though ultrasonic/cavitation is the best way to clean records but out of most people's budget.
dixielandfarm , thank you, I still spend 1 or 2 days a week to clean the classics or best of the week, but for my favourites ones, still by them in 2 or 3 copies, so they still « mint «
I have as well (even have a video of it in the archive) - having said that, the quality of this unit is far above any DIY version I have made - have used it consistently for almost 15 years and this thing will out live me, my kids, the earth... never a leak.
They don't, so you are right to just use your DIY ones - The real trick to the Groovmaster is the inset O-Ring, and a really thick o-ring at that - something that isn't easily duplicated with just glue... however the results are the same, which is all that matters. Thanks for watching!
Wow, he washes the record then puts it into the metal dish drier! As if the metal edges of the dish drier won't cause havoc and total ruin to the grooves, let alone skratches!
The metal rack is coated with a plastic - you know, plastic like the pvc record. Also the rack actually tends to touch the label area, but I don't imagine that will change your opinion at all.
I am the guy that invented the Groovmaster and I make them myself. I use 3/8" polycarbonate, not acrylic. They are very rugged and polycarbonate is virtually unbreakable, and in this case the best clear material to use. Clear means you can see the label is dry and takes the worry out of what is happening inside where the label is. Thanks to all that have one and all that plan to.
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You must be pissed of all the knockoffs coming out of China now. There's literally 100 on amazon alone.
That was a genius idea. I use a similar product. I don't need an expensive machine I can clean them to the point that that's as clean as it's gonna get.
Excellent post, most collectors would freak out seeing this method. I have been cleaning my lps the same way for years with great results. Love the use of a paint pad for the scrubber.
Yeah, I think you have to consider the microfiber as disposable after a few turns in the dryer - they just can't handle the abuse. I am working on a DIY design using two thin tubes (think antennae on a bug) that will vacuum both sides at once - or I might just break down and buy a KAB EV-1 one day (Christmas maybe?)... Thanks for watching and for your original post/video!
Neat device! It sounds like our cleaning solution recipes are identical. I love the paint pad idea. Never thought of using one that way. Great demo overall, Kris!
I just tried this method today. Used 1/3 99.8% IPA and 2/3 of lab quality distilled water, plus a few ml of Finish Jet-Dry Rinse Aid. The results are AMAZING. Some lps that looked so old (and sounded not so good) now appear like new, and are a pleasure to hear.
Fantastic, Francisco! Ultrasonic/Cavitation has come down significantly in price where I would recommend that over a vacuum machine, but honestly this method works almost as well and I think you have more control over the process, plus I also believe it works better against nicotine which plagues a large percentage of albums from the time period.
My pleasure! So glad you were able to DIY a solution. If you notice lots of oiliness or it doesn't seem to get clean, and enzyme cleaner works great - I use Natures Miracle, meant for animal messes, but it actually is very gentle and works great; spray on, use your paint pad, then follow with the mix then the rinse.
Good video. I especially liked that Groove Master. Right now I've been using sink water (I know - it's supposed to be bad but so far the records have sounded fine) and a tiny bit of the Dawn liquid to create some slight suds. Believe it or not, I've had the labels get wet and they still dry fine if you pat them dry quickly. I actually dry records with paper towels but the type that don't shed much, if at all. I let a record stand and dry for at least one hour afterward. Cheers!
I bought one of these and I'm really satisfied. Now when I get a new or used record I give it a wash before playing without worrying about the label.
theespressokid1 Absolutely. I recently got a tiny microscope and now I can visually see the huge difference this product and my method does. I did just plain water and then cleaned as showed in the video - huge difference.
I'm not sure if you actually watched the whole video or listened, but I first rinsed with tap water to dislodge the dust, then used a distilled water/isopropyl mix as the clean, then I rinsed with distilled water to remove any of the calcium, etc. from the initial wash. Then I used a static-free microfibre cloth.
I've used your tips and suprawes' tips and found this method is the best for cleaning records. I already cleaned 12+ records and no problem. The groovmaster is definitely worth the money (bought from eBay). I am also fortunate to have access to 99.5% Isopropyl alcohol. Thanx!
Great video. I like the honesty and objectivity. So little of that around.
Thanks so much for that, Alex! I appreciate it!
Nice! I sometimes get stuff that is so dirty it needs the sink even before I use my contraption. The Groovmaster could come in handy. I was finding that my microfiber cloths were shedding some even after washing and quit using them.
Dishwashing liquid like Palmolive or Ajax works well. The Groovemaster looks like a very helpful tool for cleaning records.
+MrClassicalMusic1 Absolutely. I now use Scrubbing Bubbles exclusively - it works wonders and is perfectly safe (been used for years at people on the Steve Hoffman forum, and I have used it a better part of a year now, myself)... Thanks for watching!
so far, it's working GREAT! I haven't got the Dawn in there yet, but doing the distilled water w/91% alcohol, then rinsing with distilled water. I can really hear the difference! Had one the other day that although looked pretty clean was a bit distorted and after I did this, sounded perfect. I also made a holder with 2 4" PVC clean out caps and drilled center holes and used a long screw and wing nut on one side to hold them. Thanks again for the helpful advice.
Ah, very cool - I love when they do those silly things, like google maps having an old-timey treasure map option on April Fools.. Oh well, here today, gone tomorrow. Thanks for watching the video, and if you have any DIY skills, you could make one up with 4" PVC drain plugs, some all thread, two knobs, and electrical outlet gaskets... Crap, even if you were just careful around the label (you can get them wet, it just takes longer to dry), just washing like I said will help.
Absolutely - you don't need it, but it does make it handy. You could build something similar with PVC drain pipe ends and some allthread from the hardware store. Even still, not necessary. I don't find most records need the glue, but the rinsing-washing-rinsing really does the trick. Thanks for watching!
Had to return to this one in thoughts of doing a future video. With record cleaning, just like equipment upgrades, you get to the point of diminishing returns. I wonder if the Groovmaster increased their prices? It's still cheaper than a Spin Clean and what I am finding is key to the whole process is a good distilled water rinse. Doctor Deadwax was telling me he would rinse twice and I am doing the same. The rinse is very difficult with the Spin Clean.
Anyway, just to say it again, you can get your records to sound great on a limited budget.
I believe Teddy abandoned his RCM and went for the GEM Dandy... I know several quality collectors who have actually left RCMs for more sink methods as well - the rinsing I think is key. It wouldn't surprise me if the Groovmaster increased the price - while it sounds expensive, it will outlive the Earth the way it is built - it is amazingly sturdy. Of course, some dent pullers will also do the job, but this device is worth every penny. I have tried DIY RCMs and found this method to be just as good (if not better in some cases)... Audiophiles will go on about RCMs, but I do believe they can leave a charge on the record plus you really don't get that rinse flood like you can with this method. Not that RCMs aren't great - they are. I'm just saying people shouldn't dismiss this method because of its price. Thanks for rewatching, Paul.
So the more experience I get with different cleaning methods, the sink method should do just fine and I am looking to do a separate video here in the near future on electrically charging records. You're correct in that they can leave a charge if you get the record to dry. It's called the 'triboelectic effect,' if you dry rub the vinyl with a cloth or felt a charge will deposit on the vinyl. Moreover, it can defeat the purpose of the cleaning because the static charge will only attract more dust. Whenever, I do get around to doing a video, I do want to reference yours. I've also used Scrubbing Bubbles and the painter pad approach as well and it would great for getting out the heavily caked finger prints. I seem to recall that you were the first to recommend the Scrubbing Bubbles.
As for the Groovmaster, I am wondering if you couldn't easily build something similar out of PVC piping and O-rings?
You certainly can DIY one, and I have as Christmas gifts: ruclips.net/video/NzAZjYtvbx8H/видео.htmlowever, William Sargent's unit is simply built better - the O ring is super heavy duty - he has a video on his channel where he puts a single sheet of toilet paper in the label area and submerges it for hours in a tank and opens it up and it is completely dry. I do believe I am the first to show the Scrubbing Bubbles - its real magic is mold removal and nicotine removal - both plague old records. You certainly can reference me and all the negative comments I have received on the method as well :)
Not a silly question. I think you will be more than okay putting it back in the same sleeve. Putting a clean record back in a paper sleeve is the real issue since that will shed paper fibers back on your clean record. Cleaning deeper will probably only yield a slightly better result, and that debris is not on the surface but deep in the groove, so it won't contaminate the mofi sleeve trying another cleaning. At least not enough to worry about or notice. Let me know the results!
It's funny - when you get an audiophile album from the 50's and 60's, guess what - the record is in a poly bag! They knew even then what paper was doing to their records... leaving deposits, scuff marks etc. Make sure you use distilled water - tap water has mineral deposits that can dry and cause ticks/crackle as well... The amounts I am using is literally a drop of dawn - but I understand you being concerned and if that works for you, go for it! Thanks for commenting!
I bought one of these after watching your video. Works very good!
Terrific! I'm so glad. While not perfect, I think it does a good enough job! Thanks so much for letting me know!
***** Absolutely no water leaks through... I'm not sure where I said it wasn't perfect, but I am assuming it was in reference to sink cleaning in general... some issues exist in sink cleaning, but nothing in life is perfect (is assuming where I was going)... thanks so much for watching!
Well Joe, then can... Some people say that a filter on the tap for the final rinse is good enough - so that would work. For me, I hate those things, so I go with the distilled. Remember, the rinse is getting away the junk, the distilled rinse is only getting rid of the minerals that MAY be in the water, so a little goes a long way.
It will be fine - you can usually submerge a record completely under water - the label won't come off... if it is from the fifties, the ink might bleed, but mid sixties on, you are golden - just wash it with soap and water and you will be fine.
pt2 - I would add another 2 for vacuuming if I was still doing that - test and see if it REALLY is adding anything - I think us with our multiple rinses are doing the step that the vacuum does, so it doesn't become as critical. Remember, the scrubbing isn't cleaning the record, it is the solution that is really doing the work by lifting the contaminants and then flushing the solution down the drain (or up in the vacuum). This happens relatively quickly, BTW. Glad this method works for you!
I dont know why I didnt come across this video sooner but I am glad I did....thanx for making this....I am going to have to get one of those..honestly thanx for sharing this
It is great. I have a DIY video where I built one, but honestly the commercial one Bill has is outstanding and so much better. Its a once in a lifetime purchase, and I think you can get it on Amazon. Combined with Scrubbing Bubbles (another video I did), it honestly is the best cleaning solution for vinyl. I just clean them right before playing.
2/3rds Distilled Water, 1/3 90%(or better) Isopropyl Alcohol, a drop or two of Plain Blue Dawn Dish Detergent. Used by loads of people for a long time! :) Good Luck!
Great idea with the PVC clean out caps...I've got to try that one myself!
Lots of times when a record skips there is a particle of debris in the groove. Cleaning thoroughly with a brush is a great way to get it out, so a Groovmaster helps keep the label safe during the aggressive cleaning. Other times a skip is from a scratch. Scratch removal is questionable, but there are ways with some of them.
You got it, Bill... I have been able to save many a record from your great product...
The 25 page thread on Audio Karma led me to this video. Thanks for the tips!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Like I said in the video - car dent pullers are the right size, and they don't sell for much, though I have heard people say they are too unwieldy to use...
Great post. We really appreciate it. Keep groovin. Jim and The Mrs.
Oh that STINKS!... the one nice thing though about having an open kitchen to the living room is that I can do this as I listen to the first album and have one on deck, ready for the next, and not have to lug out the vacuum cleaner. I have been toying with an idea for a vacuum wand that would suck out the liquid while using the Groovmaster - think like chopsticks trapping the record in between... but what I'd love to do is get some data and see if the rinse stage is enough - I suspect it might.
I've been watching different videos on cleaning records. This way seems much like my way, except I use the tap from the faucet (because I have yet to have any noticeable audio problems and records sound fine that way). Still I'm thinking of switching to distilled, except that knowing me I would want to use practically an entire jug of distilled water to rinse out the solution for just one record! I don't feel comfortable unless the record's heavily rinsed - I wish faucets ran distilled water!
Yeah, 4" pvc drain traps, some all thread, a nice knob or so and some gasket and you will be golden.
The only thing I would do at the final is a mix of distilled water and distilled vinegar to neutralize the alkaline of the Dawn soap. At the PH scale acid neutralizes Alkaline and that's why vinegar is on the acid side of the ph scale. Any certified cleaner knows the ph scale and knows that in order to remove buildup residue you'll need to neutralize what ever you clean.
Thanks for the additional tips!
I understand your frustration of watching the video but not hearing the evidence. I wanted to do a before and after, but I haven't hooked up my turntable to the computer to do a recording demo, and I am only a week out of knee surgery so bending back there was out of the question - maybe when I heal up - there is one demo video out there where someone did the before and after, which confirms that at some point, the grooves are damaged and only so much can be done. Thanks for the comment!
While I think it is okay - Dawn has a few degreasing chemicals and is not particulary harsh - hand soap I think actually is a little stronger... I think anything that is eco-friendly in a dish liquid should be a good choice... remember the soap/detergent is really only breaking the water tension, so it really is very dilute - a few drops per liter is all that is needed...
Well, I did give up on the vacuuming because while it DOES help, it didn't help as much as I thought once I did the two rinses after the wash, so eliminating that step made record cleaning less timely, less complicated, and more fun.
1. Getting the record out, putting the groovmaster on, rinsing - 1 minute
2. Cleaning each side with DIY formula - 1 minute
3. Rinsing each side under tap, then with distilled water - 1 minute
4. Drying with cloth and then rack - 1 minute
So, 4 minutes...
It's funny - plastic is used to carry acids, yet some people think that records are different... we drag a diamond (the strongest, toughest thing on earth) through it constantly but think water with a bit of alcohol can damage it... If anything, this method is more gentle than other cleaners... Thanks for the comments and for watching!
That's how I clean my records and it does a really good job. You don't need an expensive machine.
That's absolutely right! Thanks for watching!
I enjoy these type of videos. I appreciate the time it takes to make them ( I've made a few myself). But in the end 99% of the record cleaning videos leave an essential eliment out...a before and after cleaning audio clip. I apologize for posting my frustration with record cleaning on your video. I have VPI machine and it only cleans "ok" at best. I'm always looking for a better cheaper alternative.
I have read too many good experienced vinyl guys warn against using tap water, because there are minerals in it that you can't see, that are microscopic in size that you are flooding your album with, I'm sticking with distilled water myself, better safe than sorry, once its in there it won't come out. Also alcohol in any amount is supposed to fry the vinyl, the most expensive record cleaning fluids have zero alcohol in them for that reason. I think these two things are pretty much consensus opinions among those who have been around a long time and tried everything.
+SDPickups Distilled water is definitely the way to go, and I agree about tap water - but I am on a well and have had my water tested... I don't have any minerals, or anything in my tap, so that is why I can do it. As for alcohol, ten years of experience have told me that if you wash it off, it has no effect... think about it, what is alcohol stored in? Plastic. What are you washing? Plastic. These things are much more resilient than people give them credit for... and I have PLENTY of other "experts" who can counter the arguments with actual real-life experience using their DIY wash, which has been around for 30+ years.
+Vinyl Therapy & Audio I think it has to do with my clay and the filter on the house, because I did have the water tested, and other than copper, we are pretty good. For my hot tub, I have to add LOADS of calcium to harden the water for the chemicals. I did do a visual inspection with my mini-microscope, and I have done just plain audio tests with using the distilled and not - for MY situation, it didn't make enough of a difference - but everyone has to test for themselves, really. Also, it is dirt cheap, so there is no harm for those who want to use it. Alcohol is used in many vinyl cleaning fluids and has been for years - but that doesn't mean it can't cause a problem - however since the fluid is on for such a limited time and then is rinsed off, I haven't noticed a problem in the ten years I have used the Groovmaster, nor have I read on audiokarma, Steve Hoffman forums, etc. of any issues with people who have used a DIY fluid. Having said THAT, I actually pretty much just use Scrubbing Bubbles now - works amazing, has been tested for several years by people on various forums, and has no alcohol. Thanks so much for watching, Steve... I have to catch up on your videos!
When viewing your video on a computer, there was an option next to where you change your resolution called "Tape Mode" and upon clicking it your video became distorted like an old worn out VHS. The strangest thing is, it was there when I posted this, but today it's gone. RUclips must be playing some practical jokes on me, and now I look like the crazy one. Anyway, great video, lol.
Very interesting, your method of cleaning vinyl.
Great ideas here. Going to try this. Probably w/a DIY holder. thanks much!
Great video. Definately picking one of these up!!!!
True, good point.
Maybe to get the best use of distilled water for rinsing, use a NEW garden pressure sprayer (like for weed killer application), that way you wont waste much of the water.
+MrUABama Definitely a great idea! Since my water is on a well and filtered, I just didn't seem to get enough of a benefit using the distilled water, so I forego it; if I was on city water, that tip would be a must-do! Thanks for watching.
Ajax with warm water make sure you rinse the disc well before drying...I need this I end up trashing the labels...dry with paper towels
I've been using your cleaning method for a while with a high degree of success. However, I notice it takes me 13min per record to clean.
I first blast my record with tap water, then I spray the homemade solution and scrub with the pad, then blast with more tap water to rinse, then splash records with distilled water, then vacuum record, then dry with micro-fiber cloth, then let it fully dry on dish rack. Can you please tell me what timing you usually do for each step please?
My pleasure - if you have time, I would love to know the results...
I find that dander as to the bass , it's all about the bass!
+helmut Diggy No trouble.
Me again. The Groovmaster was NEVER called Dri Disk II, but the very early versions were acrylic. They are now made with various brands of polycarbonate like Lexan. Anyone who has an early acrylic version... (usually did not have the imprint as they do now) I will replace FOR FREE if you send it back to me. I have used my Groovmaster (the same one) for 14 years on literally thousands of albums and 45s with no problems, specifically NO cracking or problem with tightening the handles to "clamp down" on the Groovmaster discs.
Again, just want to say I've been using your product for at least 7-8 years, love it, still works perfectly and have been super satisfied with it. Zero issues, and I prefer it over the DIY RCM method I've tried - I feel I can do just as good a job and only need to spend about 30 seconds per record cleaning it from thrift store trash to gold.
Do you know if the Groovmaster will fit with an LP in a Spin Clean cleaner?
gotham61 I don't think it will - it will sit above the unit and not submerge the record as deep as designed. Having said that, I don't know if that will be a bad thing. However, why use a spin clean if you have a Groovmaster? It kind of takes the benefit away of having the groovmaster (I know the labels get wet if you spin too quickly or too slowly on a spin clean). The great thing about the groovmaster is that you can wash in pure water - a spin clean always has the cleaning fluid on it, it dries on it, albeit without contaminates...
dixielandfarm
Thanks for the quick response. I use a variety of record cleaning systems, including a VPI 17 machine.
I like the Spin Clean for some jobs because of the way the brushes stay tangential and get pretty deep into the grooves. It's also far less fussy when cleaning 7" singles than the VPI.
I normally use it with plain water (no cleaning solution) and change the water and rinse the brushes clean after every record. I also rinse the records under running water after scrubbing. Having some way to protect the labels and grip the record more easily during the scrub/rinse process would be a plus. Hence the question.
gotham61 If you do get one, let me know - I'd love to know and be able to tell people if it does!
That is terrific, Gyruss! The RCM people refuse to believe this method can work, but I really do believe it does almost as good of a job, especially with the post wash rinse with tap followed by Distilled water. I can clean while listening, and it really does make a difference on records. Thanks for watching and commenting!
So that's how you clean your records. I'd better try that "alcohol + distillied water" combination. Most of the second hand records have greasy finger prints and they are really annoying to get rid off.
That "Label Saver" looked really useful. As long as I'm not soaking my records under the water I think I can live without that.
When I buy second hand records it still gets me creeps how some people have treated they vinyls! :-0
Take care,
Jarkko
Hello dixielandfarm, how do I clean an Acetate 12" record. I know these can get damaged easily.
gyruss2000 Super easy since they are so soft. If it is an acetate, they usually have an aluminum platter in the middle, so nothing put a carbon fiber brush. If it was super far gone, I'd maybe only use distilled water with a touch of dawn (like a drop or two)... but I'd be nervous.
Thanks for the video, very helpful and instructive.
Thanks so much, I appreciate that. Check out my Scrubbing Bubbles video - this in combination with the Groovmaster has been fantastic... ruclips.net/user/edit?o=U&video_id=3YlmOwXXEsQ
Chris I bought one because of this video and you are dead on, this thing rocks !!!
That is fantastic. Everyone balks at the price, but the thing will out live us all and is still cheaper than a spin clean and does a BETTER job than that thing. Thanks for commenting!
Silly question:
I cleaned some of my records using one method and I want to clean them again using this method in this video (because i feel like your method will really deep clean).
After cleaning them the first time I put them each in a Mobile Fidelity sleeve (sort of similiar to the one in this video). Would it be okay If I say took a record out of one of these sleeves, cleaned it, and then put it back in the same sleeve? Or should I put it in a brand new sleeve?
Nice ! I thought about buying a groove master but then I thought " that money could go towards records !
Someday maybe.
+helmut Diggy Remember, having clean records will not only make them last longer, but the stylus. Plus they are less noisy. Even new records get cleaned in my house... If you have a few hundred records, it is a wise investment. I dare say more than an upgraded cartridge!
That’s how I feel about my gas money.
I just bought this. The gaskit rubber was partially attached and it detached. Cant get idea how to reinsert back into the hole.
I would immediately contact the seller and return it - he stands behind his product and any type of defect should be addressed now.
@@dixielandfarm I'm trying. Let's see what will be the outcome. Right now, Im just cleaning LP without the proctector lol
You SHOULD be able to krazy glue (or whatever it may be called if it is called something else by you), but I would do that as a last resort.
Would non-"perfume" (aka plain) hand soap be okay as well?
Great video I think it's an awesome way to clean vinyl.
Thanks so much, Steven. This method probably isn't for people who have $10k carts, but for most of us, this probably will do the trick.
dixielandfarm Yes it will and very nicely.
Hey there. Where can I find the groove master label saver? How much does one of those cost?
Mark Covington You have to email him - its in the comments somewhere, I believe it is wmsar@cox.net Well worth it.
Thanks so much for watching.
Glad it was informative... you can DIY yourself one, but the one built by William Sargent will last a lifetime, so either way, your records will thank you.
Cool beans... I should just buy a bunch and hand them out as gifts... let me know how it works out if you make one.
I looked several times and I still cant find it. Can you post a link?
Here's a tip for those looking for 99% isopropyl alcohol without special ordering... You can generally find it at large computer/electronics stores like Fry's or Micro Center - Not places like Best Buy, but spots that cater to folks who repair their own electronics. Probably 3x as expensive as the 91% you can generally find at the drug store, but you do you.
Unfortunately I don't believe those stores are on the East Coast - I actually moved on to using Scrubbing Bubbles which I think is more effective (however I understand why some people wouldn't want to use it)... I heard Pert Plus is also excellent as a vinyl cleaning agent, but I never tried it (since I am happy with the Scrubbing Bubbles result). Thanks so much for letting people know and for watching!
this was very helpful man thank u for the recommendation
Ebay, or you can contact the guy who makes them at wmsar@cox.net
If you can't get it, or its' too pricey, im sure you can DIY one if you are handy with 4" PVC pipe caps, some gasket material, and all-thread.
Hey man! what's the solution you use for cleaning records? I purchased the clamp already. Thanks beforehand
+thejazz008 I actually use Scrubbing Bubbles now - the bathroom cleaner! It is amazing and really works (there is a video here about it: ruclips.net/video/3YlmOwXXEsQ/видео.html ) Most people, and what I used here in this video, is the normal DIY fluid: 1/3 90-99% Isopropyl Alcohol (70% contains additives, so don't use it), 2/3 Distilled water, and 1 or 2 drops of Blue Dawn Dish Soap (Blue Dawn has no real additives, chemicals, scents and acts as a surfactant, breaking down the water tension - you just need a drop or two).
Thank you so much
Wut's the scrubbing tool you use (pink handle) to scrub the record against the grooves? Thanks man
+jaime guerrero It was an edging painting pad - you can get it at any home supply store, and the nice thing is the pads are replaceable. They have thousands and thousands of small bristles that are safe for the record and get into those grooves due to their size. $4!
+dixielandfarm for the meaurements in the diy solution, do you measure in cups/ounces? Thanks man for all your help
My records are dirty. I'd like to wash them, but I don't know what's in my tap water. Should I then not be using this system? If it's got to be strictly distilled water for both washing and rinsing, this'll get considerably more expensive. But then, perhaps there's no alternative?
You will get a couple of different opinions on this. Generic distilled water at Walmart is eighty cents a gallon - and you don't use a lot. Method two is wash with tap, rinse when done with distilled - some will say this is perfectly fine, some will say no. Method three is to just do it and see if leaves any water spots - a telltale sign there are deposits. I say experiment and see - these things are studier than some care to admit.
Thanks for the reply. I think, since I'm making the effort, I'll err on the side of caution and go with distilled wash / distilled rinse. I understand you've converted to the Scrubbing Bubbles method. Do you have an opinion on using wood glue? Thanks again.
Yup, I only use scrubbing bubble now because it always seems to do a damn good job. Wood glue is the ultimate cleaner for records, but honestly I am just not that patient to go through the trouble. I find if a record is particularly dirty I will let the scrubbing bubbles sit for a few minutes and do it's magic. Again, I'd experiment on a few dollar records and see what you like/feel comfortable with.
OK I had to look up "Scrubbing Bubbles" -- apparently it's the name of a cleaning product (who knew) but they have dozens of forms ---- I'm going to guess the "foaming disinfectant bathroom cleaner" in a squirt bottle? As opposed to shower cleaner, toilet gel, aerosol, etc?
If you aren't from the US, it won't be easy to get an exact version (though there are several out there). It is foaming bathroom cleaner, an aerosol... It is used to clean showers and bathrooms. I don't recommend the scented or colored version. Most Americans will have easy access to the stuff, since it has been around for 20+ years. It is safe on vinyl (says so on the bottle) and has been used as a record cleaner for many years by the audiophiles over on the Steve Hoffman forum. If you are in the UK, look at the replies in my comment, I found an equivalent in Europe. Thanks for watching!
A link to this product would of been nice...
It keeps changing as it is made by one guy. You will have to google search to find the current way. I think for awhile he sold them on ebay or Amazon, but that kept changing.
It really depends where you are, but I have been doing this for many, many years without an issue. However, a quick distilled water rinse after everything displaces any minerals in the water (in my experience), and at 70 cents a bottle at Wal-Mart, its' cheap insurance. You should get some microfiber cloths; they are softer and again are like $3 a pack at Wal-Mart in the auto section. You put one on each hand and you get twice the speed in drying :) Thanks so much for watching!
Where do you order these things...I can't find them anywhere...HELP!!!
good show....good method to clean
Thanks so much Wolfe... I use scrubbing bubbles now as my cleaner, I have a video in my archives about it - works fantastic. I do think the sink method is given a bad rap, it can provide a great cleaning compared to a machine - sometimes even better (and sometimes not)...
Best cleaning video.
Thanks so much for watching!
does cleaning records like this help stop skipping?
It can, if the skip isn't caused by a scratch. Very often it is a foreign particle in the groove that causes a skip - cleaning can dislodge it, or at least help partially uncement it so you can pick it out with a toothpick or a fingernail....
Thanks for watching!
I'll keep an eye out - I think down south here people would drink it, so I haven't seen it yet... :)
where can I get a groovmaster?
What did you brush it with while it was wet?
It is a painters edging pad - you can get them at the hardware store - perfect size, lots of soft bristles... works great.
When you wash a glass in tap water, you get water spots (usually) - these are mineral deposits that are in the water and are microscopic... Same thing with a record. Now if you cleaned the same glass with Distilled water, no water spots because there are no impurities (relatively) in it. This is why the distilled rinse is helpful (especially for me having well water). Having the best possible sound for the least cash outlay is my goal - yours may be different. Thanks for watching!
Water be it tap or distilled is no big deal. It's what cleaner you're using. Alcohol is not only good it does a lousy job cleaning. Soak plastic where the dirt is visible in dish soap Vs. Alcohol and witness the difference.
Anyway, this is a great product.
Since I shot this video, I have moved on to using Scrubbing Bubbles (have another video on it). Used it for years and does a great job. There is a great article someone put up that advocates using Shampoo/Conditioner 2-in-1 and goes on why its the best cleaner for vinyl - I've been so happy with the Scrubbing Bubbles I haven't tried anything else - it does great on nicotine which plagues so many old albums - and since I rinse the heck out of the album, I never worried about it. Thanks for watching!
dixielandfarm. We all started with rubbing alcohol. Never used scrubbing bubbles but as a cleaner it does wonders and rinses so well.
Try looking on ebay under the seller name ygsarge...
Got my Groovmaster on ebay today for $40/with shipping!
+Rumblestrip.NET Fantastic. Lately, I use scrubbing bubbles with it and have been super happy. I have a video up on my channel about it.
+dixielandfarm I watched that the other day, and that's what made me look on ebay, for which I thank you.
Hey DixieLand Farm.
Where can I find me something like the Groovemaster record label saver? What is the lowest price I can find me for one like that? Who has one like that at that price? Thank you! :)
Mark Covington Only one guy makes them, Bill Sargent - email him directly at wmsarge@cox.net and he will sell you one directly. There are ways to make a DIY one, I have even a video on it, but the results are nowhere near as good. This thing works better than a spin clean, and I actually think it works better than using a machine with vacuum... so its a one time, lifetime investment - Bill's product will last you forever and is worth it.
+dixielandfarm Looks like he's selling them on Amazon now: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NP0QAOW?keywords=groovemaster%20label%20saver&qid=1446908935
+Mark Colegrove Good for him... I left him a good review... I've been using Scrubbing Bubbles (yes, the bathroom cleaner) and have been getting AMAZING results with it. The fact that you can really rinse and re-rinse is the reason why I really prefer this product...
+dixielandfarm A couple years ago, we had a floor that soaked a lot of my records (in the basement). For many of these, the jackets were heavily water damaged and the vinyl now has mold/mildew on it. I ordered some replacement jackets and Diskeeper sleeves and fashioned a DIY label saver based on one of your videos. I've cleaned 5 records so far with scrubbing bubbles and the DIY saver. SB seems to work very nicely and hopefully they will sound good too (haven't played them yet). The DIY label saver still allows a bit of water in, so I went ahead and ordered the Groovemaster device. Anyway, thanks for doing these vids... spurred me to go ahead and try to recover my old vinyl.
+Mark Colegrove Very good - that is what I heard from my friends who I made the DIY version - some liquid comes in and did cause some bubbling on the labels - on the real groovmaster that never happens and I have had no issue - the thing is built to last a lifetime, so it is a one time cost... compared to what we spend on vinyl it is a drop in the bucket. Glad my videos helped you, I appreciate it!
What kind of alcohol did you use?
I used 90% Isopropyl. You need to stay away from Rubbing Alcohol because that usually has lanolin in it. If you can get higher, that's better, I know in Canada 99% is common, but they don't sell that openly in the US, usually. If you do a search, I actually abandoned this formula and use Scrubbing Bubbles. I have also read a fascinating online page by a chemist who actually recommends Pert Plus 2-in-1 shampoo as the best record cleaner.
dixielandfarm Thank you very much!
Great tips. Thanks
Hey man, some of this stuff has been really really helpful for me, but why on Earth would you use tap water if you're going to rinse the record with distilled water afterwards? Like seriously. It takes seconds for minerals to crystallize. I mean, you can somewhat justify the alcohol part, but not the tap water.
I am on a private well here in NC and I have had my water tested; I have very little in my water compared to others. I have used this method for many years... I no longer do the distilled rinse, since I found my water is pure enough. No residue or spots are present after I dry with the microfiber towels. I have washed hundreds upon hundreds of records using the groovmaster, though I have switched over to using scrubbing bubbles as my cleaning agent now. Thanks so much for watching!
I guess in your case there's not that much of a problem with mineral deposits. I know that what you're trying to explain here is a more affordable way of wet cleaning anyway, which is good and much appreciated. But still, some people are going to watch you using tap water and probably going to do the same, regardless of their location or water hardness.
Anyway, thanks for responding. I did learn quite a bit from this video when I first watched it about a week ago, specially about replacing the sleeves and the surfactant. I could not find a Groovmaster dealer who shipped to my location, so I was considering getting the label protector from Vinyl Stack. Do you think it would work well?
I have a DIY video on ones I made for friends, search the channel and you can see what I whipped up. I have also heard people using dent pullers for cars which are four inches, cover the label perfectly and are cheap. Even at that, if you just use distilled water for the whole process and are careful, you can problem try anything on a test record and see how you do. Getting the label wet isnt a huge deal if you wipe it off quickly... They are almost waterproof.
Ok, sorry if I was a bit disturbed by your video, my records are like friends, I know it’s strange, but I used to be a DJ, from my 17 years until now, I, m 49, and Each one them reminds me a lot of things, again sorry
That's okay, Rudy. Records are hard plastic - they are both equally fragile and quite durable at the same time - which is why they survive DJ gigs :) They also survive us dragging the hardest surface known to man, a diamond, and survive each time. Honestly washing with just plain soap water has been LESS of an issue then getting the right particle stuck on a carbon fiber or felt brush and wiping the record - plus I have used many different formulas and the water/alcohol/surfactant has been less of an issue than a "professional" cleaner which is usually more alcohol and other solvents. I have actually switched to Scrubbing Bubbles which was mentioned on the audiophile Steve Hoffman forum for many years and this is just the right amount of cleaner that is both safe and amazingly good at removing particulates and contamination, especially nicotine. I have known audiophiles who have left their record cleaning machines to a method similar to this - though ultrasonic/cavitation is the best way to clean records but out of most people's budget.
dixielandfarm , thank you, I still spend 1 or 2 days a week to clean the classics or best of the week, but for my favourites ones, still by them in 2 or 3 copies, so they still « mint «
Thank you brother
Thanks for watching!
Thanks so much! I will contact him today :D
For us in the rest of the world who are really on budged , Ive made something like that myself.
I have as well (even have a video of it in the archive) - having said that, the quality of this unit is far above any DIY version I have made - have used it consistently for almost 15 years and this thing will out live me, my kids, the earth... never a leak.
You are probably right, but to import it to SA ....it would be too much. Unless someone sells theme here?
They don't, so you are right to just use your DIY ones - The real trick to the Groovmaster is the inset O-Ring, and a really thick o-ring at that - something that isn't easily duplicated with just glue... however the results are the same, which is all that matters. Thanks for watching!
Wow, he washes the record then puts it into the metal dish drier! As if the metal edges of the dish drier won't cause havoc and total ruin to the grooves, let alone skratches!
The metal rack is coated with a plastic - you know, plastic like the pvc record. Also the rack actually tends to touch the label area, but I don't imagine that will change your opinion at all.
The way you wash your records, drive me crazy, sorry, but I can’t imagine treating my friends (records) like that. Happy for you
I have ten years of experience with this method that says its fine. But you can use any method you choose for you.
Please give me this recipe to clean Vinyl record
;-)
Your video has a "Tape mode" option. WTF?
Ebay, or you can contact the guy who makes them at wmsar@cox.net