"First gear is your friend!" Motocross hero Stankdog explains how to ride a 125cc 2-Stroke Dirtbike
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2021
- Stankdog is one of the only guys in the world that is still qualifying for AMA Pro Motocross Nationals on a 125 2-stroke. In this clip from the 3 hour podcast, Jase asks Stankdog for the secrets of riding a 2-stroke 125cc Dirtbike as fast as he does! Some of the advice might sound crazy, but it is hard to argue with the lord of the 2-stroke!
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Gared Steinke races f*cking dirtbikes... 2-Stroke dirt bikes to be exact. He is a cult figure in motocross and one of the most universally loved guys on two wheels. I have always wanted to have Gared on the podcast and I am pumped we were able to make it happen. If you don't want to rip a 125 after listening to this podcast we can't be friends.
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I am 67 years old and I bought a 125 and having a blast. I rode all 3 size big bikes and the 125 was the most fun then and now
AMA is hurting the sport without a pro 125 feeder class, all the greats came up through the 125 class.
exactly
Maybe there should just be another series
To this day I’m confused why there isn’t a 125 class . Everyone has to ride 2 strokes anyways before 250-450 class
was gonna thumbs up this but its at 69 so I cant touch that thumb
A couple of years ago the GNCC added the XC3 class for 125's
Everyone 14+, I don’t care who you are, should spend at least 1 year on a 125.
It definitely helps you keep momentum
Had a 2000 rm125 for a year and then a 2003 ktm125sx for another year before going to a YZ250f. I found out a blown motor costs a whole lot more to rebuild on a 4 stroke!
@infoslinger ...hell yeah, I've got $1000 down on a 2022 yz 125, can't wait till it shows up🤘
Every Time I rode my friends 4 stroke. I'd kill stall the fucker in conners. I couldn't get used to it. Come in hot 3 point turn gas it out shift the shit out of it. Two stroke baby.!
I'm 39 and have spent most of my 30 year riding career on 125s, I love 'em! You try slamming the throttle to the stops in 1st or 2nd gear on a 450 4 stroke.
34 years old, just got back into the sport last December. I feel he's 100% right about chasing guys on faster bikes. I love catching a 250f and just holding it wide open. They hear and it makes them ride even faster
I love it when that happens and find someone equally as fast as you on the track ,its. So fun!
I notice that if I hang out in the back of the group I tend to ride slower and my buddies will start to pull away from me. But if I'm in front I can hear them so I ride way faster because I'm always worried that I'm holding them up. And any time I end up leading the group they always say I'm hauling ass and they can't catch me🤔🇺🇲
I'm 29. Just got back Into it. Did a 4 hour gncc mixed with pros. I had them on my ass and made me charge faster. When they passed they weren't that far ahead. I'm pumped for next season
Like an angry chihuahua
I just got back into it after a 12 year break. I’m 34 also, got a 2022 tx300i last summer and am so happy to be riding again. Starting to get my youngsters into it too!
I always told people it's easy to sound fast and "look" fast on a 125 but actually going fast is reserved for the elites. There's something really special about 125s over 250s imo, an underpowered yet feather light full size bike with minimal gyro compared to a 450 for example.. It almost feels like riding a motorized bmx bike sometimes 😅
125s are coming back because a 16 year old kid can't justify sinking one and a half times the cost on a 4 stroke 250. A 2021 YZ125 can be had for like $6000 USD, brand new. A 250F is almost $8500 USD - and that's fucking insane. Then - when something goes wrong; they're completely fucked.
That's the problem. That's why 2 Strokes are coming back. I understand why EFI is coming to 2 Strokes due to regulations, but simply put - no kid wants a 4 stroke bike because when it breaks - they either can't fix it themselves, or can't afford to pay someone to fix it. That is literally killing our sport. Your average kid is riding around on a clapped out 10+ year old 125 they can work on or a 250F with dubious service records. High costs of entry are strangling the youth of today out of the sport, because you basically have to be moto royalty to get anywhere.
No disrespect intended at all - but do you think Haiden Deegan would be anywhere even close to where he is today if his dad wasn't Brian Deegan? Or would he be another kid ripping around on a 2007 YZ125 at his local track with zero fame? He has an immense amount of talent - but without parents willing to sink six figures into your moto career - you're not likely to go anywhere.
We need a true; honest to god - certified; "sportsmans" Stock 125 Class. Get people in the door - pay a good purse for the A / Pro class; and get kids racing
Hell yeah 👍💯
Fo sho...more people would race 🏁
True. Moto has become like Nascar and F1. You can get a ride if you can bring a sponsor....
Deegans Dad has that pull. The kid is good, but if they lived in a trailer park running 2003 bikes....not going anywhere.
Im 16, turning 17 soon, grinding a job n school for a bike bro gettin a 125 dunno if im too big for it tho
@Mike Bishop Back then, half the field had nothing, but a pick up truck out back, and 5gal can gas..lol.Ok,that mite b a little over exaggerated but there was definitely less cash around the pits overall, as far as racers/families.
I use to holeshot all time on my 125 by starting in first. Wide open, gate drops, drop clutch and when front wheel clears the gate, shift to 2nd. 😁
Hellllllllllllllllllllllllll yeah!
Great questions! Great answers!
125's also start so easy! For an older rider the lightness is a huge factor and passing your friends on their 250's after they talk smack.... priceless! Brrraaaappp!
I’m 17 I’ve been riding my 01 yz125 for a year I’m already able to do every jump comfortably at my local track (Estreet) definitely the best decision I’ve ever made. That bike has taught me so many fundamentals I wouldn’t have learned with more power.
Stay on that 125 for awhile longer man! Master that thing
Those steel frame yz125s were so good. I spent a little time on a 99 and it was so light and responsive.
Stay with the 125, it's so awesome destroying people on 250's and 450's.
How is the 125 in that deep sand?
@@The2006200 suuuuper fun dude
Missed the 125 years as stopped at 12 on an 85, came back to it at 18 on a 250. Now 24 just picked up a ‘20 husky 125 and just found a whole new love for the sport, can only describe it like a mountain bike with an engine on it, the control and feel for the bike is far better and I finally feel like I’m riding the bike rather than the bike riding me, was always skeptical over the whole 2 stroke thing but proud to be a convert
I ride a 2001 Honda CR125 and I hate having to hit 1st on the track so this is perfect advice for me. This is so good, I'm not even done watching and I could watch it 10 more times.
An old trick with the 01 cr125... 02 rm125 piston and have the head domed cause the piston sticks up above the cylinder. It changes the port timing. I would blow the doors of of 250f's back in the day
@@hon702aa whats about the 99 cr125? Could you tell me some fun facts about that motorcycle? I just started to ride mx bikes 2 months from now and i bought a 99 125cr and to be onest im afraid to rip it the whole track it may sounds like breaking
Use to see GS at the local tracks all the time. The guy is a 100% BEAST! Every time I broke out a camera the guy busted out the good stuff. Good dude for sure.
Dude I love your content. You ask all the great questions too
This is so great! Excellent questions, and the perfect person to answer them. So many guys get on the track and just hold the bikes pinned in third gear. Everyone thinks you’re going fast if you’re in the red. I’ve seen so many guys bog and spank everyone.
Great video , love hearing the 2 strokes on the track!
I also loved the 2stroke to 4stroke comparison on cornering. Its totally true that you can lean 4strokes all the way over where on a 2stroke you HAVE to expect the rear end to fish out.
StankDog is the man 💪🏼
I feel all that for sure. I race a 2001 Cr250 B class here in michigan. It's so rewarding when your pulling hole shots on 250sx. Building my dads 93 cr125 old race fuel ripper for vintage class and 125B/C 22'
Michigan Mafia
@@joesee8079great bikes!, that is awesome, have a bills for the 93 cr125! Its a ripper believe pr2 ported/milled etc my dad raced the bike bought from pro guy in 94' it hasnt run in a long time So Im bringing back to its glory and will race vintage and 125 in 22'
Track brats at Twisted get so upset that my zip tied plastics on my 98 kx250 waggle in front of them and tell me its distracting. If you hate it so much buy me new plastics lol
@@derailleurmind0454 Bill's pipes are the absolute best for those CR125's. A had a couple of 93's and 94's back then and tried pretty much every pipe/silencer combination and I preferred the Bill's pipe and a PC silencer. Those pipes really bring out the high end!
125s are still Soo underrated, it's crazy. Great video proving it some more!
What ever advise someone gives, its all about keeping momentum up. Shift to soon lose momentum, rev it too high lose momentum. Stay out of the soft stuff on berms (i.e. stay low). Find the straightest line.
A lot of times I found it fastest to use the first foot or so of berm to help change my direction and miss the apex then maybe use the exit of the berm to finish changing directions if you have to. Don't stuff corners like tomac and j-mart
Line selection is about the most important thing on 125.
We really need a 125 class (no age restrictions)
Love the new 2023 KTM 125. Would love to hear you guys talk about that soon.
When i was 16 in the 90s my first mx bike was an 86 rm250. Then shortly after i upgraded to a 95 yz 250. I never owned a 125 but rode several of the era and it was definitely a very different ride. I feel like 250f to 450f isnt that drastic like the difference between a 125 and 250. 125 certainly makes you better and moving around on the bike and working with it. Id love to have a fleet of then to rip around! Cool to hear stankD talk about this.
Even though 125,250,500 were all 2. Strokes ride each one differently. My KX 500 would wear you the fuck out. While the 250 felt faster more controlled. 125 is a shift fest.Tobride fast depends on the conditions rocky sandy muddy. All I know is. When your behind a 500. Keep your head down. Do the rocks bounce off the top of your Helmut.
Been doin 80 mile hare n hound desert races on my 125s for a year now. These are already notoriously very challenging desert races, and the 125 makes it so much more difficult. But Stankdog is right, they do make you a better rider! Good luck climbing rocky gnarly hills on a 125 without picture perfect technique and the ability to carry crazy momentum!
Rode a 125 for a couple years in desert and you are 100% right. Got on a 450 and went out and had a 30 minute lead just because I rode it like my 125
I remember going up a hill in Helendale on my kx 100 2 stroke I was scared. Clicked to 2nd gear, feet on pegs, standing hunch (as i was getting bigger than the bike) got through it.
Solid advice because Im always on the clutch with my 125 in 2nd/ 3rd gear cornering!!
Only use that sucker when you come into a corner too hot and need to stomp on the brakes, or at the start of a race. I've never blown up a 125 and I rev mine as high as I can but it is ported for mid - top.
I’m so glad I’ve started riding my 125 again after being on a 450 for the year. I was until I OJ’d the biggest jump and tacoed my rim
We used to have a ex team Primal Impulse Suzuki RM125 and that bike was simply amazing. I am 6'5" 220 and have always ridden KX250s and 500s but thay was seriously the quickest bike ive ever raced.
I'm 250 and love riding my 125 definitely brought my skills up
I'm 45 and have a few bikes and cr125 2T is one of them. I love the 2T on the track....
Thanks for the Luxon name drop. I'm actually less than 5 minutes into the video and I stopped and ordered the link. It looks brilliant--I came from Honda to KTM and I've felt that on grippy tracks tight radius turns I'm not as fluid through. I feel this is due to a more weighted rear from geometry as I had a different link on my Honda to raise the rear and man that thing carved. I was already thinking about a linkage as I thought, "if this KTM carved like that, with this engine, things will go next level". I'm guessing it's about to happen. Unfortunately, winter is coming! But next season will be great I think.
Had my 250's even 500 2t but 125 was my most enjoyable riding and racing. Was hesitant to admit it but heard so many say the same. They sharpen your skills.
Man love this show ....🏁🏁💯
I always map out the jumps for 1 gear lower high rpm take offs . everything else and all straights I'm shifting through as many gears as I can. stay on the pipe ! hell yeah brother
Got my first smoker in 1975!! And orderd a new yz125x!! 61 trs old and live the 2 smoker!! But iput mods kn mine to make more low end!! 52 sprocket pro circuit pupe and a 36 smsrt carb
Love the STANK! 👍😉😁 Appreciate ya always GYPSY .. Old G
It's amazing how universal the knowledge about handling and setup is in motorsports. The way he described the technique of "steering with the rear" is exactly how drifters setup their cars and driving styles for drifting. Squat the rear for traction and make the front end light for maneuverability. Awesome stuff!
was surprised how easily im up into 4th and 5th when i got my husquvarna tc125, thought needed a different sprocket set up. listening to this makes me think differently
I swear ever time Jase says fuuckkk, that Aussie accent just resonates so mellow that it doesn’t even seem like a bad word anymore 😂😂😂. Love your show man. Keep doin you 💯🤟
This is the podcast I waited for since 2006
Ive had a ton of bikes. Nee vintage everything. My yz02 125 is always super fun, great to work on, a keeper. One two kicks fires right up. Rebuilds all cheap.
YZ125X is the best 125 I’ve ever ridden for moto - extremely wide powerband, very easy to keep on the pipe, and the suspension is great for moto just stock with clicker adjustments. I couldn’t get along with a regular YZ125.
1997 RM 125 is the best one I have ever ridden.
125x is just a yz125 set up more for enduro or woods riding. A normal 125 is no doubt better for motocross, set up more for screaming top end how a 125 needs to be ridden on a motocross track to actually move
I have stankdawgs 2013 kx250f in my garage right now in Tx. Trans was grenaded but it's running again now.
Love the stankdawg vids 👌.. work on getting Reynard on the show to talk 2 strokes, didn't he get off the sofa and set a fast qualifying time (top 5 or so) about 2-3 years ago on a 250sx in 450 class?
The 6 speed gearbox in my 99 yz125 was pretty dead even with my 02 250f. In a drag race they would run dead even to 5th and the 125 still had 6th. Miss that old yz.
I’ve raced 450s for 6 years and always wanted a yz125. Finally have one and here I am looking for advice on the thing 😅
I bought my first bike in 1978 a 75 XL 125 4 stroke...an when i was racing my CR 250 2 stroke my race friends use to lean over the fence an show me the hold it pinned arm sign...because i had that 4 stroke roll on the throttle arm action plus i was road racing an was used to going into turns at 150mph
I have a CR125R and it more mid range top end .so I'm mainly boom blasting in second then on the pipe in 3rd 4th and may be 5th .
I used to run MX TECH suspension back in the day!
Might be time to get back on board!
no joke best advice, i grew up always rippin my 125 more then any other bike and yup no joke 1st and 4th gear all day barley touch anything in between
throttle control is everything!
U the biggest riding tip if ur capable is riding every bike like its a 125cc two stroke...i worked at a race shop an was able to buy to 125cc kx kawis that were pro national bikes with no stone un turned the older one the 90 was so dialed it was my favorite bike...when i moved to florida the track owned loaned me his 92 KX 500 an i was scared bevause i never raced a 500 but i tryed my best to ride it like a 125...an i love sand so they came to me wow someone who can actually ride a 500...it was actually a very good a decent bike i got over being scared quick because it was such a good handling bike i get the holeshot on any bike but especially on the 500..like dah
I love next to budds creek and never been there i cant wait to get my licenses
125 Strokers are just nuts , even back to my younger years my pal had a YZ125 you at to work it but then just POW
If you can ride a 125 properly you can go fast on anything! I’m glad I was the last generation of kids to go from 80s/supermini to a 125 . The 250fs weren’t all that great, hell I think Yamaha was the only one making them. And nothing is more fun and satisfying than one clean lap on a 125.
Back in the 70s You could enter your 125 in 500 open class.lot of good riders won on the 125. It's not what you have it's how you ride it.
Something i learn in 1978 on my first bike the XL...i put chein shin paddle knobby onit ...it hooked up...also the knobs went all the around rim lip to rim lip....i could lay it over an it still stuck where ever i put it...but 2 stroke suffer one fatal flaw tjey notoriosly dont hook up good...and thats becsuse they dont make them so they have some low end pop...i had a 1986 CR 250R the only true factoryworks bike honda sold to the public out of neccesity..it pops real low warns u then tears out from under u like a good works bike should...kind of excactly how a modern 450 comes on then just keeps pulling..the difference between a 4 stroke hooking all the time was the rpm power delivery off idle it just turns slow enuf so it doesnt not dig in an then it keeps pulling...pulling a holeshot on a 4 stroke without the fork lock down is stupid u cant lean far enuf forward to break traction...it hooks terra firma so perfect...i was so jealous after riding a new CRF 450 modern...day bike remembering how hard i worked to get some grip off the gate...now theres too much WTF.
Im a 15 year old riding it and what he's saying is true ive been told stay 1-3 but I still go through all the gears
I'd love to see more 125's. Maybe even the sx futures or another class in mx or sx. Everyone claims the 450 is honestly too much for everyone but the best. I'd like to see the 450 class maybe even drop to 350 and maybe allow 150 or 200 s-strokes to compete in the 250 4-stroke class. 300 2-strokes in the big class... I wish they would make it so 2-strokes could be competitive at least in both classes is what I'm rambling on about!!
Massive quarry hill climbs on a 125 taught me alot.
Just found your channel and i fucking love the content! supreme! keep it up!
I TALKED WITH MY BROTHER ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK!!!!! Was saying how I never shift into 1st unless we're riding his 85 for $#1+$ and giggles. 😂🤘
I'm wondering what tracks he's talking about riding in first. Id get passed if I was in 1st through a corner. Maybe my gearing is different but I'm always in 2nd in the corners. 2nd-5th. 1st is useless. I don't have any problem keeping the revs up in 2nd so I feel like that advice is dependent on what track you're on. I only use 1st if I'm trail riding
If you lower the rear teeth it will make first more usable but depending on how you like your bike
When he said the new yz250 has 2 more hp was he meaning the Yz125? Isn’t the 250 still pretty much the same bike other than updated bodywork?
Just rode a 125 today epic bike is solid 5th gear wide open hit a jump.
I’m honestly about to go buy a one two five now 😂 it’s impossible to not have fun on one. Even in last place it’s fun as fuck 🔥
You won’t regret it!
“High rpmness”
I love it
I just picked up a 80cc2 stroke to learn and understand the power band. Iv owed 4 strokes my whole life
45 years old 6ft3 160 pounds I'm ready for another 125 the 450 is easy to ride but nothing is like a 125 they are a riders bike
i cant keep rpms up without kinda dragging my clutch, how do i keep them up
I just rebuilt a 03 RM 125, I'm a 200lb rider, witch I know is heavy for a 125, bout I find it hard to ride because there is just NO bottom end. I love too stay hi in the rpms, but still it's just so much work to ride!
I went from a ttr 125 to a card 450 for years raced my dads cr125 need one now
Really great Stank Dog I am an over weight senior 125 rider the only guy on a 2T in the class dominated by 450 KTMs so massive thank you I need to change up the lines
Rt there with ya my friend. YZ144 for Old G
Seems like he countered what he said about sag... did anyone else catch that? Anyway, I would love to buy a 125cc smoker (currently looking for one). Thanks for the videos. 👍
They do a 125 class in the Canadian national.
Exactly Charmicael had a big sag number he needed it to keep from getting booted forward!
This Young Man Total gets it 👍 Rite oN 🤘
Me and my brother only ride 2 strokes both of us ride 125. I still ride a 93’ rm125, him on a 08’ husky and everyone’s surprised when we show up to the track and hold them wide open passing modern 250s
Gotta carry momentum and keep the rpms up and learn when a motor is over revving and losing power a 125 will make a rider
i have a kx250 04 2 stroke and i never use first, i roll in ruts and coners in 2nd. If its jetted correctly you don't need to use the clutch
love this.
I have a Honda Cr 80 but everytime it either just stops or it jumps then stops what do I do
I think any bike you put Carson on, xr100 or 250f or a 450 or a 125 or 250 2 stroke he is just always completely wide open and needs to shift up that’s his style
It used to make me wonder what the fork they were doing..but thats how u ride a 2 stroke u aim it an pinn it..thats why yhe regrip is so important keeping ur elbows up mainly do u can always grab throttle an be in control...i got the elbows up thing finally after sending my 86 cr 250 r a 100 feet down our front straight away jump unfirtunatly i wasnt on it but my friends still give me crap i pushed the bars away..an it flew perfcet little cross up 100 feet then just boop fell over better than my friends an i was off it...
Vowed never to own a 125 but here i am having bought a TM 125mx today 😂
My husky 350's adopted baby brother
2 strokes should be mandatory, I grew up on them still love them!!!
I ride a 250 2 stroke and i suck at hiting turns I can only hit the power while straighting up, but never been to a track to hit a berm
“This guys clueless” lol. I’ll take his word over y’alls.
I raced through the 80s into the 90s here in New Zealand all on 2 strokes first CR80 then a CR125 then a KX250,Cant beat a 2 stroke for ease of maintenance and you can rebuild a top end on a bit of cardboard and basic tools in the forest vs these modern 4 strokes lol ,Iv got a 96 euro spec Suzuki RMX 250 with a 98 RM250 motor with a bigger stator its road reg,got pipe carb all the good gear with a 2017 RMZ front end ,goes like a rocket ,tho my days racing the CR125 were the best ,CR250 was a arm pumping nitemare on our tracks her was tweaked for just top and nothing more ,my 125 had more mid range lol
125 classes are pretty popular up here in Michigan. The schoolboy and 125 b/c always have a decent turnout
Also in Michigan and i can totally confirm 2 smokers are still very popular up here. Road a 00 YZ125 years ago for years tricked it out of course over time Eric Gore 144 Hi comp Natty motor 38mm Mikuni flat slide FMF fatty Vforce3s I thought she breathed flames lol like 13k rpm 2nd gear lunches in back yard pissing off my pops. Local suspension shop set up my ol KYBs great back then i loved that bike super fun
yesssirrr michigan boy here, love my kx125
Alright people best 125? I know he favours ktm but little more on the exy looking I was thinking yz or cr. From
01-07 if I can find
When i was 11 i started to ride then when i was 14 i had a big fall and didn’t ride on the track for 4 years now i’m 18 and getting into it again on my 125 and within 3 practices i’m way faster then i was 4 years ago
Awesome advice mate, when I was racing my 07 yz125 it was still to this date my most fun bike I've ever ridden on track. Loved how you could scream around sharp corners in 1st and coming out and down straight quick as you almost could changing up gears most time to almost 6th, but you could hardly hear difference in revs when changing. Flat changing high revs made it always up there. Avagud1
Links and knuckle works for tracks
I'm an old man and memories a little fuzzy so correct me if I'm wrong.
Didnt Marty Smith win a Supercross race at Anaheim on a 125 Honda Elsinore?
Cheap to buy, cheap to run, and fun as hell.
I came to moto from mtb, mostly only ride trails/enduro on the moto. I was really good at line choice and wasn’t afraid of speed, but using the rear brake, clutch and shifting gears I was terrible at and it obviously slowed me down a ton, until I snapped the frame on the xr400 I was riding and started to ride my brother’s kdx200 (which probably had less power than a 125) and after 4 or 5 rides on that thing I figured out shifting efficiently, and since I couldn’t engine brake I had to figure out how to actually use the rear brake. But then when I got a 450 everything I learned on that gutless piece of shit helped me ride the big bike a lot faster.
Struggling on a 125 will make you a better rider... 100% Stank the 2-stroke Prophet 🤘
I've never wanted a 125 more than I do right now
Get one
This podcast honestly is the first moto related thing Iv watched in a couple years that makes me want to ride #2strokelivesmatter
Stanke is exactly 💯..1st thing I noticed about Carson (amazing as he his) just holds low gears,sounds mad n all.. but yer..! .. no disrespect at all from here. ✊✊🙏
This is what I'm going to start with 😂
For being 38 years old, 200 pounds and a lifelong C-level rider; I can share with confidence that any small bore 2-stroke will be the most FUN one can experience on a dirt bike.