@@joshuathomas512 Excuse me. You must've been out of your mind writing utter nonsence in this very comment section. I must inform you that your opinion is doubtlessly wrong. I still wish you a delightful monday afternoon. Yours Steve
Personally, I would pick the BRZ because I currently own a Subaru and my personal experiences with the Subaru Service Department has been exceptional, beyond my expectations.
I personally prefer the BRZ purely because the front graphics fix nicer with the overall design. I’d have mind in same blue colour as you. But would fit an after market bumper without the weird vents.
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you mean the vents on the front bumper? GR has better lookin ones, but other than that BRZ looks bit better. Btw they're to help "wash away" the tyre wake, energize the turbulent air with more energetic laminar flow.
The GR86 is my choice. I really like the big mouth and I think it would look 10x better with some lowering springs or coilovers to actually reduce the height. The front grille reminds me of the Yaris GR grille and I like that feel. My only complaint is that the GR86 front kinda tucks into the body more so I'd probably add a street lip kit to it
Thing thing I do NOT like about the GR86 is the big mouth. Toyota showed a little constraint on this car such that they didn't ruin the whole design with the oversized grill like they have done on so many of their cars.
@@kevindepew8193 Really? I find that the simple design just works and isnt severely aggresive like the GR Corolla or weird looking like the Nissan Z but taste differs I guess.
I like the GR86. I don't like that happy face of the BRZ but the grill of the GR86 is a bit high you are right. In Europe we don't even get the BRZ sooo
I think I would go with BRZ. And IMO both BRZ and GR86 looks better than predecessors. I just wish they hade more unique taillights. But sidevent, skirt, and shape are spot on. And it is light, affordable sports car with manual transmission. We need more of them. Also, I would love new Miata to be available as a Coupe.
Subaru all the way. IMO better suspension set-up and, more importantly, Subaru dealer techs are familiar with horizontally opposed engines. A lot of folks who did the recall of 1st gen cars to replace the valve springs (for free w/ a loaner car) had the Toyota dealerships do the work and it did NOT work out well.
Toyota’s front looks cute but compared with the Brz it look a bit look flat while the Brz front is lower and more sporty so it plays better with the overall complexity of the rest.
And Toyota used cheaper suspension on GR86 and they saying they used better and charge $5000 more than a BRZ. In truth Subaru used more expensive suspension. What a shame on Toyota.
Agreed, the Subie is the better looking car. The same way Porsche design their cars, sleek elegant and aggressive. As an owner of the previous 86 I would consider the new BRZ, or, wait for the new 2022 WRX sti! Any info on the new REX????
Definitely prefer the design of the GR86 more. The "teardrop" intakes on the BRZ just looks too busy and out of place to me. The only pro the BRZ has are the headlights.
I'm leaning more toward 86's front end over the BRZ, but I appreciate the happier look of the BRZ. Reminds me of the older Mazda 3. Too many cars these days look pissed off at something.
Hi Bembli! Great call on extending the center/doorline! It makes the side perfect! Now personally, I own the previous BRZ, and I still think it looks better than the new generations because the previous gen had all the hallmarks of a classic sportscar look. I am so saddened by the removal of the "horns" (the elevated bumps on the two front fenders above the wheel wheels that gave it classic sports car vibes (GT2000, Stingray) . Plus, the overall rounder lights and front end made the car look chubbier rather than sleeker. It looks like a modern Porsche/C-Class. Lastly, the back just has way too much more elements for me! The taillights are complex in both shape and elements, plus that black line REALLY creates an unnecessary element that makes the spoiler look uglier. Like it was glued onto the car rather than organically part of it. You can imagine it would look as good as the new Supra's ducktail if you edit out the black line! Now that being said, for this new generation, I actually think the 86 looks better because it captures the "simple RWD lightweight sportscar" image better. The Subaru's front end has way too many lines, elements, bends + counterbends that make it look so busy. The front vents look less like intake vents and more like exhausts! (that shape would look good at the back of many cars!). The smaller grill on the BRZ as well makes it less sporty and looks pretty much like many road cars. Well thats all for me! I wish you could show us a sample of the new BRZ, in white, with a deleted black line behind (maybe vinyl wrap it??) That would be awesome!
Amazing. I agree with every point you have made here! I actually owned a 65 Stingray for awhile and the first time I sat in the 86, looking out over the hood I was immediately reminded of the stingray. Unfortunately, that’s where the comparison ended. Nothing can match the sound/feel of the small block Chevy V8.
I think that the Subota is a great sport car, being a rear wheeled-drive coupe with a manual gearbox; just like the Nissan Z and the Toyota Supra but between $10,000 to $30,000 less expensive. I wish that Toyota and Subaru would at least differentiate the two cars with unique sheet metals, like the Honda Civic/Acura Integra, or the Mazda MX 5 and the defunct FIAT 124 Spyder. Having said that, I would choose the one with the Toyota badge but in the gorgeous Neptune Blue color. Otherwise, I would choose either one depending which dealership would give me the better deal.
i like the toyota more. i think the design really benefits from a larger grill. i think the BRZ front end looks like it slopes down too much, like its steeper from hood to bumper. i agree though there needs to be some through lines in the side of the body, and the couple lines there are, are at weird angles. the rear i wish the ducktail was wider and came acrross the top of the tail lights more, just a bit. and that the tail lights were tied into the body lines more, like have the end of the tail light pointing into a line going through the tire to the body line that ran along the bottom and points up to the rear wheel.
Agree. I want to like the Subaru, but the front end on the Subaru looks too ricer to me…front end on the Toyota looks cleaner and fiercer…the Subie reminds me of a Civic…and not in a good way. I don’t really care for the duck tail on either but have not seen one in person yet so…I wouldn’t let it stop me from buying but I’m sure I could be happy with either one. Currently I have a 2020 GT86 with 1900 miles so prolly will not be upgrading unless they offered me 30k trade in value, and zero down zero percent interest loan. That would push me over the edge.
I think for a lot of us deciding is really going to come down to which dealership you have a better relationship with. I’ve never owned a Subaru. My local suburu dealer is terrible. But My family has bought 4 Toyota’s from the same dealership. So I’ll probably go with the white premium mt6 gr86 in halo white. But I honestly feel like the brz in silver is the nicest looking one in videos I’ve seen. That finish combined with the front bumper design just seems more grown up, more expensive, maybe because it looks more Porsche inspired.
These 2 are just like a "find the differences" quiz. So hard to tell apart. P.S: what's your take on the newly announced Lexus LF-Z concept? that has some interesting shapes and lines (ofcourse, it's a concept, but hopefully it will be translated fairly close into production )
They are identical except for the front bumper/grille. The previous model was always that way too, I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that they are "hard to tell apart".
The hilarious front air intakes are destroying the looks of the Subaru. I would definitely buy the Toyota GR86 if i had to choose between these two. On the other hand if i had to buy an affordable sports car i would go for an MX5 NC with hardtop (i owned all previous gens NA, NBfl, NC and the NC with softop was too noisy on the motorway for me). Nice video! Thanks for uploading.
I'm so glad you're not in charge of designing the Toyota. The front fascia of the Toyota GR86 is perfect and the family ties to the A80 supra is obvious.
I also thought the GR86 looks a lot higher at the front end compared to the BRZ and it just doesn't look very sporty. I do prefer the less fussy front intakes of the GR86 though - they look almost exactly like the 370Z Nizmo. Then again you can only get the BRZ in WR Blue! I wonder if lowering the car a bit might help the GR86 look much better.
I actually really like the way the new GR86 looks. Especially when we see it in a darker silver/grey with the black wheels. I would be hard pressed not to pick one up!
I'll go for the GR86 (as you're redesign of the BRZ is not for sale) Could do with some subtle extra's to give it some 'Eleanor' vibe like two centered fog lamps low in the front.
I’d pick BRZ over 86 just because it is Subaru with boxer engine! It feels more real! Again it is just because the overall feeling.. doesn’t mean the 86 isn’t good! Both are great and as you know they’re pretty much the same car! Thanks!
I will check on the maintenance costs associated with each brand to decide. I like the connection between from and back in your redesign and the back rims. 😉
The rear lights really don't work for me on the GR86 since it's so clearly based off of Subarus design language. I liked the unique rear lights the first generation had, looked a lot sportier and worked with both models.
For me the rear design of last generation was the weakest part of it because the light were like pasted onto the body without line flow But it was a unique design
The difference in HP may be because Toyota did their reveal for the Japanese market so they may be using PS instead of horsepower while the BRZ had a US reveal. 232 PS is about 228 HP, so its probably just a translation error.
Also from the side view, the front side intake line mirrors the side intake line, also the bumper better matches the rest of the design; I'd choose the BRZ in silver
Just like with the previous generation i tend to gravitate towards the Subaru, They just look a bit more tame then the Toyota in my eyes, The only thing i like less between the Toyota and the Subaru are the tear drop vents in the front bumper but with the grill looking less aggressive and the headlights i can get used to those. The fact that they're functional also gives me a reason to just keep them there. But overall you'll never hear me complain if i had a Toyota, But the Subaru just catches my eye a little more. Just a little more
I prefer the GR86, I like the front better and the lights on the BRZ are nicer but I love GR. They made both Yaris and Supra have more HP than what was said so I'm hoping they work their magic on the 86 as well
"GR" is a badge should be reserved for a design with significant performance boost. The new 86, IMO, doesn't deserve to carry the GR badge. Hence I'll take Subaru, a more low key approach.
I'd have the GR86 of the two, as the grille reminds me of the GR Yaris, which is a car I love the look of. However, I don't think that either the GR86 or the BRZ look quite as aggressive as I would have liked them to.
We own a 2018 sport tech rs and have already ordered a 2022 brz since our 2018 trade in is paying for almost 3 quarters of our new 2022 LOL love it totally worth it love it and can’t wait , delivery here in Canada is expected in early December so we’re really excited
I like the BRZ better. It looks more tight and smaller and more together if any of that makes sense. Somehow the Toyota looks a bit bigger and about an inch or two longer. I think more people like the gr86's front bumper but I like the BRZ. Sleek is the word I'm looking for. The BRZ looks sleeker in my eyes.
One thing I forgot to mention that both cars desperately need is some sort of side skirt to not only bring the car closer tot he ground visually but also to hide the undercarriage visible in a side view
I noticed too :) Just looked at several other images online, and the gas cap is actually on passenger side of both vehicles. The BRZ photo must've been a mirror image. (Edit... just got to 5:55 where he points this out.)
Oversized grill doesn't really make it more aggressive. But I would take the GR86 in a heartbeat if they just shrunk the height of the grill. I think the GR86 front looks better except the sheer size of the grill on the GR86 is too big. Just do the height of the BRZ grill (and keep the rectangular look and everything else) on the GR86 and it would be awesome.
The BRZ is more softly sprung for everyday driving and more stable in the corners as Subaru All wheel drivers arer used to, but as a downside oversteer/tail slides creeps on you in a suprising, stable until its not kinda way. The BRZ is more firm/ sporty for everyday driving, and progressively/gradually in an easy to manage way enters drifts/oversteer/ tailslides, both cars have similar limits, but the BRZ breakaway in a snap, but the Gr86 does so playfully, that's what my research uncovered, in that sense I'd choose the GR86, styling wise I also prefer the Gr86, these cars are the last hurrah before the electrics take over and will be rare expensive classics like the s2000
I’m getting the 86 because 1. The premium comes with a duckbill spoiler. 2. The front looks way better. 3. The brz has this weird license plate holder molded into the front bumper. It really bothers me.
@@JordanMarzz And just about EVERY Toyota today is ugly. Toyota doesn't know how to design a front end anymore. Whether it is a Lexus or a Toyota, their goal is to put a gigantic, oversized grill on every car they make. They look like crap. This Toyota GR86 is the only front end that doesn't look horrid. The GR86 would look way better if they had simply lessened the height of the grill a little bit, but at least it still looks pretty good with the slightly too big grill it has. The Corolla, Avalon, Mirai, and Sienna all look like they are going to swallow you whole with their gargantuan (mostly fake) grills. They have improved the Camry front to look a little better. If Toyota would re-learn how to design front ends, their cars would be great.
I’m an 86 fan since the bigger grill makes it more clean instead of the brz that just has 1 medium sized grill, 2 side intakes, and another black piece on the spoiler that makes it look like another vent. The 86 on the other hand just has a decent sized grill and 2 smaller side intakes, so yea i think the 86 looks better, like this comment if you agree or reply if you think different
@@Transit_my-way Yeah I think I need to reserve my final judgement until I see one in the flesh. I really liked the long slender hood of the 86, it seems to be way bulkier in pictures with the new one, but maybe not.
I prefer the brz. It just looks more interesting like there is more going on. Too much flat black area on the gr86. I know the gr86 looks more muscular, but the brz looks more sophisticated and intelligent. But the biggest reason to buy the Subaru instead of the Toyota is that Toyota is a partner of the WEF, and Subaru isn't.
Previously I liked the original Subaru BRZ styling more and as an add Toyota mucked it up with the very last update of original 86. This time it's the Toyota subdued, simpler approach with the fascia ( looks more planted and w/ that bit of an aggro feel ) that makes it better.
I'm going with the Toyota GR86. I've owned both Toyotas and Sub's and I prefer the reliability of Toyotas. Also, I like the front end of the 86. I like the bigger grill, and the tear shaped air things on the Sub just look stupid.
It is a Subaru engine and they share almost all the same parts. I seriously doubt the reliability will be any different. If you are buying this Toyota because of Toyota reliability, I think you will be disappointed because this isn't really a Toyota like their other cars (just like the Supra isn't going to have Toyota reliability because it has mostly BMW parts).
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Ok, there really is a big difference between first car and first new car. I don't think many people can buy a new GR86 as their very first car
I think the GR86 is more aggressive and the BRZ is more classy ... but then again this has always been the design ethos even with the last generation, considering the BRZ always had more premium interior options and the Toyota was more raw and basic ... I believe the afermarket will kind of decide which looks better after a few years
With your touch up of the design (which was a great improvement I think) I'm suddenly not that excited about the 2022 models ... I see the "flaws" in every review now ... 😅
I have a 2016 BRZ, the early BRZS were sharper and more grippy than the 86. Just felt better unless you’re a drift nut. Problems: the damn torque dip. It is VERY noticeable, and the severely outdated interior. Feels like a 90s sports car (both good and bad). The new version I feel addresses all the shortcomings. But this gen, the 86 looks better to me. Can’t wait to test them back to back.
I'm looking at it for the reason it is made, to track it. These 2 are on my list. The lines you don't like are designed for airflow on track. I'm interested more in the handling because I just saw a Japanese video saying the Toyota is more tail happy in corners. I want to know if they are using same tires and suspension. Also I like the simple stuff without all the heavy computers nannies in all cars now. I will have to go with manual transmission to avoid the safety feature that are not good on track.
Honestly I just love the fact that they maintained the Smile and Frown separation the two cars had!
Except they got them backwards. The smile looks like it shouldve been on the toyota
@@ninjascroll1017 look at the old BRZ and GT86/FR-S, just as the new gen
@@LukeDogg20 yeah i see it now. I never noticed it on those when i see them in person
The front of the brz looks like a second gen mazda3
Looks like a frog
GT86, always has been my choice, front bumper just looks better
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Sorry, have to disagree, BRZ bumper matches the overall design better lol
@@joshuathomas512 nah
@@joshuathomas512 Excuse me. You must've been out of your mind writing utter nonsence in this very comment section. I must inform you that your opinion is doubtlessly wrong. I still wish you a delightful monday afternoon.
Yours Steve
Yeah it looks more aggressive and simple, whereas the BRZ looks like it's smiling.
Personally, I would pick the BRZ because I currently own a Subaru and my personal experiences with the Subaru Service Department has been exceptional, beyond my expectations.
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I personally prefer the BRZ purely because the front graphics fix nicer with the overall design. I’d have mind in same blue colour as you. But would fit an after market bumper without the weird vents.
you mean the vents on the front bumper? GR has better lookin ones, but other than that BRZ looks bit better.
Btw they're to help "wash away" the tyre wake, energize the turbulent air with more energetic laminar flow.
The GR86 is my choice. I really like the big mouth and I think it would look 10x better with some lowering springs or coilovers to actually reduce the height. The front grille reminds me of the Yaris GR grille and I like that feel. My only complaint is that the GR86 front kinda tucks into the body more so I'd probably add a street lip kit to it
Street lip will be available with the premium spec, if I‘m right😌
Thing thing I do NOT like about the GR86 is the big mouth. Toyota showed a little constraint on this car such that they didn't ruin the whole design with the oversized grill like they have done on so many of their cars.
Yup 100 % ... after all that talk I still pick GR86
Yep. GR86 as well. Don't like the smile on the brz.
I do wish the headlights were the same but those can be swapped I'm sure.
@@kevindepew8193 Really? I find that the simple design just works and isnt severely aggresive like the GR Corolla or weird looking like the Nissan Z but taste differs I guess.
**Stares at Toyota GR86 through screen...**
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Could we just mention how great both of these are😃
No,that's why this pro's and con's vid exists,otherwise we would just be wasting our time 😃😐
I'd rather have a GR86 just because the BRZ looks unusually happy.
The BRZ looks like its is up to something 🤔
The vent in the middle makes it look happy but the vents on the side looks mean, so it looks usually. Don't like the BRZ's front.
I have a 2023 BRZ because it looks unusually happy, lol
I like the GR86. I don't like that happy face of the BRZ but the grill of the GR86 is a bit high you are right. In Europe we don't even get the BRZ sooo
I think I would go with BRZ. And IMO both BRZ and GR86 looks better than predecessors. I just wish they hade more unique taillights. But sidevent, skirt, and shape are spot on. And it is light, affordable sports car with manual transmission. We need more of them. Also, I would love new Miata to be available as a Coupe.
Same here, something is not 100% in the back, can't wait for aftermarket taillights
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The Gr86 front looks really good imo, very sharp not cat fishy!
Subaru all the way. IMO better suspension set-up and, more importantly, Subaru dealer techs are familiar with horizontally opposed engines. A lot of folks who did the recall of 1st gen cars to replace the valve springs (for free w/ a loaner car) had the Toyota dealerships do the work and it did NOT work out well.
*Those taillights kinda remind me of the current gen NSX's* 🤔
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As someone who smiles with dimples. I love the BRZ just that much more
I bet you're quite the looker 😍 lol
Toyota ALWAYS nails chassis tuning and I like all around response over sheer power, so the GR86 is the one for me.
Idk what you think....but they both have same engine and chassis, only some design elements are different
@@takumifujiwara3223 theres difference in suspension settings
@@ofwgthaidgaf ok, my bad
Toyota’s front looks cute but compared with the Brz it look a bit look flat while the Brz front is lower and more sporty so it plays better with the overall complexity of the rest.
Bembli, add your channels in the channels tab for each channel, easier to find and access
There is a link in the about tab, but can't hurt to advertise more 😊
Didn't know that was a thing. Done and thanks
And Toyota used cheaper suspension on GR86 and they saying they used better and charge $5000 more than a BRZ. In truth Subaru used more expensive suspension.
What a shame on Toyota.
The Toyota GR86 seems to have a bit of Jaguar design. I'd pick the Toyota GR86.
This is literally the point which is annoying me at the GR86 :/ therfore i would pick the BRZ
The BRZ with the slope on the front looks like a Porsche so aesthetically that's where I lean towards.
Agreed, the Subie is the better looking car. The same way Porsche design their cars, sleek elegant and aggressive. As an owner of the previous 86 I would consider the new BRZ, or, wait for the new 2022 WRX sti! Any info on the new REX????
Definitely prefer the design of the GR86 more. The "teardrop" intakes on the BRZ just looks too busy and out of place to me. The only pro the BRZ has are the headlights.
BRZ suspension better much more!
I like that new look Toyota Gazoo Racing has given their Cars.
I think your assessments on the styling is spot on. Your final image of a "fixed" version looks significantly better than either car.
I'm leaning more toward 86's front end over the BRZ, but I appreciate the happier look of the BRZ. Reminds me of the older Mazda 3. Too many cars these days look pissed off at something.
Maybe they’re pissed off because they’re designers made them like that
I really like the enhancement made to the side fender and door. It should've came like this from the factory.
Hi Bembli! Great call on extending the center/doorline! It makes the side perfect! Now personally, I own the previous BRZ, and I still think it looks better than the new generations because the previous gen had all the hallmarks of a classic sportscar look. I am so saddened by the removal of the "horns" (the elevated bumps on the two front fenders above the wheel wheels that gave it classic sports car vibes (GT2000, Stingray) . Plus, the overall rounder lights and front end made the car look chubbier rather than sleeker. It looks like a modern Porsche/C-Class. Lastly, the back just has way too much more elements for me! The taillights are complex in both shape and elements, plus that black line REALLY creates an unnecessary element that makes the spoiler look uglier. Like it was glued onto the car rather than organically part of it. You can imagine it would look as good as the new Supra's ducktail if you edit out the black line! Now that being said, for this new generation, I actually think the 86 looks better because it captures the "simple RWD lightweight sportscar" image better. The Subaru's front end has way too many lines, elements, bends + counterbends that make it look so busy. The front vents look less like intake vents and more like exhausts! (that shape would look good at the back of many cars!). The smaller grill on the BRZ as well makes it less sporty and looks pretty much like many road cars. Well thats all for me! I wish you could show us a sample of the new BRZ, in white, with a deleted black line behind (maybe vinyl wrap it??) That would be awesome!
Amazing. I agree with every point you have made here! I actually owned a 65 Stingray for awhile and the first time I sat in the 86, looking out over the hood I was immediately reminded of the stingray. Unfortunately, that’s where the comparison ended. Nothing can match the sound/feel of the small block Chevy V8.
I think that the Subota is a great sport car, being a rear wheeled-drive coupe with a manual gearbox; just like the Nissan Z and the Toyota Supra but between $10,000 to $30,000 less expensive. I wish that Toyota and Subaru would at least differentiate the two cars with unique sheet metals, like the Honda Civic/Acura Integra, or the Mazda MX 5 and the defunct FIAT 124 Spyder. Having said that, I would choose the one with the Toyota badge but in the gorgeous Neptune Blue color. Otherwise, I would choose either one depending which dealership would give me the better deal.
i like the toyota more. i think the design really benefits from a larger grill. i think the BRZ front end looks like it slopes down too much, like its steeper from hood to bumper. i agree though there needs to be some through lines in the side of the body, and the couple lines there are, are at weird angles. the rear i wish the ducktail was wider and came acrross the top of the tail lights more, just a bit. and that the tail lights were tied into the body lines more, like have the end of the tail light pointing into a line going through the tire to the body line that ran along the bottom and points up to the rear wheel.
Agree. I want to like the Subaru, but the front end on the Subaru looks too ricer to me…front end on the Toyota looks cleaner and fiercer…the Subie reminds me of a Civic…and not in a good way. I don’t really care for the duck tail on either but have not seen one in person yet so…I wouldn’t let it stop me from buying but I’m sure I could be happy with either one. Currently I have a 2020 GT86 with 1900 miles so prolly will not be upgrading unless they offered me 30k trade in value, and zero down zero percent interest loan. That would push me over the edge.
I think for a lot of us deciding is really going to come down to which dealership you have a better relationship with. I’ve never owned a Subaru. My local suburu dealer is terrible. But My family has bought 4 Toyota’s from the same dealership. So I’ll probably go with the white premium mt6 gr86 in halo white. But I honestly feel like the brz in silver is the nicest looking one in videos I’ve seen. That finish combined with the front bumper design just seems more grown up, more expensive, maybe because it looks more Porsche inspired.
7:28 most beautiful moment of the video
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I prefer the brz because it's front bumper design. The 86 tho has a nice design, but I'm not really into that huge rectangular grille shape
These 2 are just like a "find the differences" quiz. So hard to tell apart.
P.S: what's your take on the newly announced Lexus LF-Z concept? that has some interesting shapes and lines (ofcourse, it's a concept, but hopefully it will be translated fairly close into production )
They are identical except for the front bumper/grille. The previous model was always that way too, I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that they are "hard to tell apart".
I love these because they are basically the only modern time resemblance of old jdm times
The hilarious front air intakes are destroying the looks of the Subaru.
I would definitely buy the Toyota GR86 if i had to choose between these two.
On the other hand if i had to buy an affordable sports car i would go for an MX5 NC with hardtop (i owned all previous gens NA, NBfl, NC and the NC with softop was too noisy on the motorway for me).
Nice video! Thanks for uploading.
I'm so glad you're not in charge of designing the Toyota. The front fascia of the Toyota GR86 is perfect and the family ties to the A80 supra is obvious.
I also thought the GR86 looks a lot higher at the front end compared to the BRZ and it just doesn't look very sporty. I do prefer the less fussy front intakes of the GR86 though - they look almost exactly like the 370Z Nizmo. Then again you can only get the BRZ in WR Blue! I wonder if lowering the car a bit might help the GR86 look much better.
I actually really like the way the new GR86 looks. Especially when we see it in a darker silver/grey with the black wheels. I would be hard pressed not to pick one up!
Those changes you made are perfect
I think I actually prefer the Toyota now. But I always preferred the brz to the fr-s an 86 since release
Same. I always preferred the BRZ and owned one but now prefer the GR86
Great analysis, great video very well done. I would prefer the brz because the front end just looks nicer in my opinion.
I'll go for the GR86 (as you're redesign of the BRZ is not for sale) Could do with some subtle extra's to give it some 'Eleanor' vibe like two centered fog lamps low in the front.
Im a BRZ guy but the GR86 simply looks better up front...
Go figure cosmetics is the only reason to choose between them.
I’d pick BRZ over 86 just because it is Subaru with boxer engine! It feels more real! Again it is just because the overall feeling.. doesn’t mean the 86 isn’t good! Both are great and as you know they’re pretty much the same car! Thanks!
I will check on the maintenance costs associated with each brand to decide.
I like the connection between from and back in your redesign and the back rims. 😉
Lol Maintenance cost should be the same.
I prefer the front styling of the GR 86 over the BRZ, but I can’t really choose anyways because the BRZ unfortunately isn’t coming to Europe
The rear lights really don't work for me on the GR86 since it's so clearly based off of Subarus design language. I liked the unique rear lights the first generation had, looked a lot sportier and worked with both models.
When I first saw it, it definitely got a feel of a honda accord
For me the rear design of last generation was the weakest part of it because the light were like pasted onto the body without line flow
But it was a unique design
The difference in HP may be because Toyota did their reveal for the Japanese market so they may be using PS instead of horsepower while the BRZ had a US reveal. 232 PS is about 228 HP, so its probably just a translation error.
GR86 is like a 400z with a 370 nismo 2 front bumper, FRS side with a Supra spoiler, plus like some Hyundai tail lights
Also from the side view, the front side intake line mirrors the side intake line, also the bumper better matches the rest of the design; I'd choose the BRZ in silver
Angry or happy, that’s the only difference.
Just like with the previous generation i tend to gravitate towards the Subaru,
They just look a bit more tame then the Toyota in my eyes, The only thing i like less between the Toyota and the Subaru are the tear drop vents in the front bumper but with the grill looking less aggressive and the headlights i can get used to those. The fact that they're functional also gives me a reason to just keep them there.
But overall you'll never hear me complain if i had a Toyota, But the Subaru just catches my eye a little more. Just a little more
Both great and even as a Subaru owner I prefer the GR86.
I prefer the GR86, I like the front better and the lights on the BRZ are nicer but I love GR. They made both Yaris and Supra have more HP than what was said so I'm hoping they work their magic on the 86 as well
Great perspective on car design and very interesting on how you are able to transform lines before our eyes. Very nice video. Thank you!
"GR" is a badge should be reserved for a design with significant performance boost. The new 86, IMO, doesn't deserve to carry the GR badge. Hence I'll take Subaru, a more low key approach.
I'd have the GR86 of the two, as the grille reminds me of the GR Yaris, which is a car I love the look of. However, I don't think that either the GR86 or the BRZ look quite as aggressive as I would have liked them to.
Gas tank door on opposite sides is strange for two cars that are 99.9% the same. Seems like that would take quite a bit of re-routing.
I think the photo are just flipped around
We own a 2018 sport tech rs and have already ordered a 2022 brz since our 2018 trade in is paying for almost 3 quarters of our new 2022 LOL love it totally worth it love it and can’t wait , delivery here in Canada is expected in early December so we’re really excited
I prefer the Toyota, but I might like the Subaru lights better.
Your simple but amazing touch of design complete the look, wish they done that body line on the door!
I like the BRZ better. It looks more tight and smaller and more together if any of that makes sense. Somehow the Toyota looks a bit bigger and about an inch or two longer. I think more people like the gr86's front bumper but I like the BRZ. Sleek is the word I'm looking for. The BRZ looks sleeker in my eyes.
Im a subaru fan but geez the Toyota takes the W with this one 😻🔥
I prefer the GR86 overall but if it could have the BRZ grill without the weird vents It would be way better.
Nah nvm the BRZ is much better lol.
Agree with you.
One thing I forgot to mention that both cars desperately need is some sort of side skirt to not only bring the car closer tot he ground visually but also to hide the undercarriage visible in a side view
@@Bembli definitely
The GR86 front end will age better IMO. Looking forward to test-driving either of these... missing my old 6-spd.
I guess I'm the only one that noticed the gas cap is on the driver's side on the BRZ and on the passenger side of the GR86?
I noticed too :) Just looked at several other images online, and the gas cap is actually on passenger side of both vehicles. The BRZ photo must've been a mirror image. (Edit... just got to 5:55 where he points this out.)
There is no wrong answer....both look great.
For me the ideal would be the Brz with GR 86 blue color.
86 front bumper looks more aggresive. but as im getting older. i like the more mature graceful look of the brz
Oversized grill doesn't really make it more aggressive. But I would take the GR86 in a heartbeat if they just shrunk the height of the grill. I think the GR86 front looks better except the sheer size of the grill on the GR86 is too big. Just do the height of the BRZ grill (and keep the rectangular look and everything else) on the GR86 and it would be awesome.
I own a 2023 Limited BRZ in gray and love it! Manual of course......nuff said!
The BRZ is more softly sprung for everyday driving and more stable in the corners as Subaru All wheel drivers arer used to, but as a downside oversteer/tail slides creeps on you in a suprising, stable until its not kinda way. The BRZ is more firm/ sporty for everyday driving, and progressively/gradually in an easy to manage way enters drifts/oversteer/ tailslides, both cars have similar limits, but the BRZ breakaway in a snap, but the Gr86 does so playfully, that's what my research uncovered, in that sense I'd choose the GR86, styling wise I also prefer the Gr86, these cars are the last hurrah before the electrics take over and will be rare expensive classics like the s2000
Damn bro, your changes look dope!
I’m getting the 86 because 1. The premium comes with a duckbill spoiler. 2. The front looks way better.
3. The brz has this weird license plate holder molded into the front bumper. It really bothers me.
From the front, I'd actually take the GR86, because on the BRZ, the teardrop like side vents don't look good in my eye, but I like the smile front.
The Toyota badge just feels more JDM idk how to explain it
Probably because Toyota is probably the better JDM of the two. Subaru has the wrx, but after that every other car is ugly
@@JordanMarzz And just about EVERY Toyota today is ugly. Toyota doesn't know how to design a front end anymore. Whether it is a Lexus or a Toyota, their goal is to put a gigantic, oversized grill on every car they make. They look like crap. This Toyota GR86 is the only front end that doesn't look horrid. The GR86 would look way better if they had simply lessened the height of the grill a little bit, but at least it still looks pretty good with the slightly too big grill it has. The Corolla, Avalon, Mirai, and Sienna all look like they are going to swallow you whole with their gargantuan (mostly fake) grills. They have improved the Camry front to look a little better. If Toyota would re-learn how to design front ends, their cars would be great.
Both are beautiful, but i prefer the 86
why not connect the front - rear lines somewhere (~2 inches) under the door handle?
The BRZ should keep some of the 2013's design like the foglight area.
I’m an 86 fan since the bigger grill makes it more clean instead of the brz that just has 1 medium sized grill, 2 side intakes, and another black piece on the spoiler that makes it look like another vent. The 86 on the other hand just has a decent sized grill and 2 smaller side intakes, so yea i think the 86 looks better, like this comment if you agree or reply if you think different
Am I the only one who preferred the First Gen 86/BRZ styling better than the current one?
Not the only one but you're in the minority. I personally like this new one better.
@@Transit_my-way Yeah I think I need to reserve my final judgement until I see one in the flesh. I really liked the long slender hood of the 86, it seems to be way bulkier in pictures with the new one, but maybe not.
I prefer the brz. It just looks more interesting like there is more going on. Too much flat black area on the gr86. I know the gr86 looks more muscular, but the brz looks more sophisticated and intelligent.
But the biggest reason to buy the Subaru instead of the Toyota is that Toyota is a partner of the WEF, and Subaru isn't.
Previously I liked the original Subaru BRZ styling more and as an add Toyota mucked it up with the very last update of original 86.
This time it's the Toyota subdued, simpler approach with the fascia ( looks more planted and w/ that bit of an aggro feel ) that makes it better.
Like the front of the Toyota, but not the duckbill out back. The BRZ costs less and has the aluminum front hubs, so that is what I got.
I'm going with the Toyota GR86. I've owned both Toyotas and Sub's and I prefer the reliability of Toyotas. Also, I like the front end of the 86. I like the bigger grill, and the tear shaped air things on the Sub just look stupid.
It is a Subaru engine and they share almost all the same parts. I seriously doubt the reliability will be any different. If you are buying this Toyota because of Toyota reliability, I think you will be disappointed because this isn't really a Toyota like their other cars (just like the Supra isn't going to have Toyota reliability because it has mostly BMW parts).
That’s crazy how similar they look, I’m surprised one didn’t sue the other.
BRZ is the winner for the simple fact that they updated the suspension.
The GR86 looks much cleaner in my opinion, a cute little sportscar :D
A great first car imo
First car LOL, I'd wish
@@uvibalcey with that price it's pretty much in the range what many people spent for their first new car :D
It's price is comparable to a Golf
@@DefinitelyNotEmma my first car is about 3k, not 30k 😂
@@uvibalcey I know they are smoking 😂
@@DefinitelyNotEmma Ok, there really is a big difference between first car and first new car. I don't think many people can buy a new GR86 as their very first car
yeah id have to agree both look very good but theres something about the brz that just makes it more likeable
I prefer the Toyota. Just don’t care for the front end of the BRZ. Add a front lip spoiler to the 86 and it completes the front end.
Thanks for pointing out these subtle differences. I agree- Subaru looks great.
i choose the gr86, my only complaint is the unreliability of the subaru motor😭 but the rumble is worth it🙌
The reason they did this was for compatibility with body kits
Both look great, blue BRZ!
Just ordered a GR86 yesterday....4 to 6 month wait on a manual 🤪😑...love the Neptune Blue😎
I prefer the GR, except I'm not crazy about the spoiler... That said I'm torn between the GR and the new Z!
Turned it off when you started saying there was too much going on here and here and here. The fenders are dope and it’s all more aerodynamic
I think the GR86 is more aggressive and the BRZ is more classy ... but then again this has always been the design ethos even with the last generation, considering the BRZ always had more premium interior options and the Toyota was more raw and basic ... I believe the afermarket will kind of decide which looks better after a few years
With your touch up of the design (which was a great improvement I think) I'm suddenly not that excited about the 2022 models ... I see the "flaws" in every review now ... 😅
I have a 2016 BRZ, the early BRZS were sharper and more grippy than the 86. Just felt better unless you’re a drift nut. Problems: the damn torque dip. It is VERY noticeable, and the severely outdated interior. Feels like a 90s sports car (both good and bad). The new version I feel addresses all the shortcomings. But this gen, the 86 looks better to me. Can’t wait to test them back to back.
I feel u. I'm contemplating trading in my 2017 brz limited for the 2022 when it comes out, but i kinda dig the 86's look this time around
I can’t decide, I think I need a Toyota with the Subaru front bumper and a camo color changing wrap from blue to red. Brz68 gt
I'm looking at it for the reason it is made, to track it. These 2 are on my list. The lines you don't like are designed for airflow on track. I'm interested more in the handling because I just saw a Japanese video saying the Toyota is more tail happy in corners. I want to know if they are using same tires and suspension. Also I like the simple stuff without all the heavy computers nannies in all cars now. I will have to go with manual transmission to avoid the safety feature that are not good on track.
They have different tuning and different suspension as well