Great video! Thanks for making it! It's indeed a very solid review. The part about price worried me a lot! I'm rooting for mobile Linux with all my heart, but I have to agree that nobody in their right mind will pay $1300 for this hardware :(
Great video. With global supply chain shortages, I doubt we'll see Purism put replacement parts up for a long time, when they're struggling to get the parts to make devices for orders.
You are right about the deep sleep state. They haven't implemented it yet because it will deny running applications or services in the background while using it. So they focused on improving battery life without something like that (currently you can get something between 13~14 hours at best... having screen, Wifi and mobile off). Screen on time should be about 5~6 hours which isn't bad. I would assume a deep sleep state could make it possible to use it daily. However they should probably implement a switch for toggling this state easily. For example it would be good if some applications don't turn off if you turn the screen off: phone calls, music players, podcasts, ... Another aspect is that you don't want to enter the deep sleep state while transferring files or using SSH. Sure one identifier for something like this can be a connection via USB cable which could be checked. Also you could deny the deep sleep state while being charged. But maybe you want to use such passive tasks only wireless. So the details for this functionality become pretty important to make a Linux phone way more versatile than Android. I think they are on a good way with the camera working and graphics could improve over time as well since the integrated gpu supports Vulkan (but open drivers still need to support it).
@@PizzaLovingNerd Interesting. Well, I was referring to the numbers from Purism because I didn't receive a device yet. Did you receive the final version with 4500 mAh battery?
Good video, but something I am really interested in as using as a daily driver, phone calls, SMS, MMS, web browsing. Its said in this vid its a more solid daily driver than say a Pinephone, but are there issues with calls or texting? Perhaps it even varies depending on the carrier?
I'm going to get a prepaid Sim card soon to test this, but I'm worried to put my main Sim in with AT&T because it locked my line the last 2 times I've put it in a Linux mobile phone (with both a PinePhone and an Ubuntu Touch Nexus 5). Than I have to call AT&T to get it unlocked.
@@PizzaLovingNerd Yeah, I have dabbled with custom ROM's and Ubuntu on older unlocked phones. Mixed bag for Ubuntu as some devices handle well enough, some have issues with texting/calls
Navigation is a big part of how I use my smartphone. I've been concerned about navigation options on the lebrum 5 if you do end up testing it out if you could find something to cover for that that would be awesome
I pre-ordered mine forever ago (pre-pandemic) and I've been nervous about being able to use it as a daily driver. This video is very useful in helping calm some of my fears. I'm still a bit worried that it won't work as my daily driver or that it will never show up but I'm excited for the project.
Super solid review! Thank you! I was loosely considering buying a Librem 5, but the pinephone seems better option now. It seems like a better option to just donate the ”extra” for them so they would have the same resources for developing the software as purism does
If only they would send mine... I paid for mine in 2017 I think. So long ago I don't remember that well! The phone probably won't work on the cell networks when mine arrives.
I Completely agree with the price comment and concern, if it goes up I might not buy it because at that point their argument falls flat when I, for a example and example only, could get a 7 time better phone for the same price. Understandably the price will fluctuate which the price of components and the current chip shortage doesn't help but damn. That's too much man! I've got my PinePhone on order, can't wait to start making stuff! I also might get either the PineTime or the PineTab, can't decide.
If your interested in a linux phone you could get a pinephone pro when it releases it gives far better bang for the buck and is hundreds of dollars cheaper and faster
@@kexec. Yeah, I just saw the news yesterday, I like it on paper, but still concerned about camera and battery life (compared to Android phones), but this is better than nothing.
@@PizzaLovingNerd With Wifi on and decent amount of services running in the background and 6-7 screen on time? If that's true then I need to recalculate my numbers lol.
I didn't know this was here yet I know the librem system and pc is out. Unfortunately though for the librem phone there are a lot of disadvantages honestly and for a $800 (minimum) or how much you said it's way too expensive but hopefully they fix things along the way and make it cheaper and more available to a wider audience but right now I just see it mostly for security purposes that's what librem is about but that's only one of the few things that are special about it for me at least. Tbh as well it's more suited for business stuff then personal things or an individual in my opinion.
@@hepwo91222 You can boot an OS from a SD card, but for now the kernel and initramfs need to be stored somewhere on eMMC, as the bootloader doesn't have access to the SD card reader yet.
So frustrating, really tempted to buy this phone but the battery life is the problem for me, I have herd that this phones battery is more or less dead after 12 hours of regular use. Now for me that leaves for work at 5am in the morning and doesn't get back home till 6pm sometimes while I'm working outdoors and as no access to possibly charge this phones battery back up, then this phones poor battery performance is just not good enough. I don't want to be out and thinking that I will have to restrict how much I can use this phone because its just gonna go dead within hours. Such a shame, its like Ferrari building a new super car and you really want to go out driving it but it keeps running out of fuel every 30 miles. Frustrating.
Physical privacy switches? No. Real phone/desktop convergence? No. GNU/Linux distros with mainline kernel (with some patches)? No. Lifetime OS (and probably firmware) updates with security and features and bug fixes? No. If you don't value these things (and other unique things), then yeah an Android or iPhone is better for you. But you are not everyone else.
I like the kill switch option on it, way more practical than opening up the back like on the Pinephone and can easily see the switches too, where on the Pinephone have to squint to read what the switches do.
@@_den_ I don't think that physical kill switches are a bad feature, I like that I can turn off the mic/camera/gps and be sure that they really are disabled.
They're not something you'll use frequently, but I can think of a couple of times when they'd be handy. I think the dip switches on the Pinephone are better for that usecase though. I could see myself accidentally flipping the killswitches on the Librem 5 and wondering why I'm not getting calls.
I would like to use them, turn off the camera and mic when not using the device. Currently even if you use the most secure custom ROM OS's out there, the carrier can still invade your privacy if they want.
Awesome!
thank you for doing this interesting review
Great video! Thanks for making it! It's indeed a very solid review. The part about price worried me a lot! I'm rooting for mobile Linux with all my heart, but I have to agree that nobody in their right mind will pay $1300 for this hardware :(
please make tons of videos on the Librem 5.
Amazing content man! Keep it up!
What a novel idea a battery that is easily accessible and removeable. I love my iphone, but after this one is dead, I'm moving to a Linux based phone.
Yeah now we got the pinephone which im going to buy
Great video. With global supply chain shortages, I doubt we'll see Purism put replacement parts up for a long time, when they're struggling to get the parts to make devices for orders.
Happy for you that you finally got one! Can't wait to see what videos you produce using it.
Something about internal features such as settings, apps and app store would've been super beneficial.
You are right about the deep sleep state. They haven't implemented it yet because it will deny running applications or services in the background while using it. So they focused on improving battery life without something like that (currently you can get something between 13~14 hours at best... having screen, Wifi and mobile off). Screen on time should be about 5~6 hours which isn't bad. I would assume a deep sleep state could make it possible to use it daily.
However they should probably implement a switch for toggling this state easily. For example it would be good if some applications don't turn off if you turn the screen off: phone calls, music players, podcasts, ...
Another aspect is that you don't want to enter the deep sleep state while transferring files or using SSH. Sure one identifier for something like this can be a connection via USB cable which could be checked. Also you could deny the deep sleep state while being charged. But maybe you want to use such passive tasks only wireless.
So the details for this functionality become pretty important to make a Linux phone way more versatile than Android. I think they are on a good way with the camera working and graphics could improve over time as well since the integrated gpu supports Vulkan (but open drivers still need to support it).
I'm getting a lot worse battery life than what you are describing. Im getting maybe 3 or 4 hours of screen on
@@PizzaLovingNerd Interesting. Well, I was referring to the numbers from Purism because I didn't receive a device yet.
Did you receive the final version with 4500 mAh battery?
Yes
@@PizzaLovingNerd I think I would try to contact them in that case because either this is an open issue or their announced numbers are quite off.
@@PizzaLovingNerd
"3 or 4 hours of screen on" with Wifi, data and bluetooth ... off?
Yay, that's awesome man 😎
Thank u for making this video 🙏
great review, you hit most points I was looking for and now I can make my choice of phone
the funny thing is you'll have to wait 52 weeks for the non us version to ship
Good video, but something I am really interested in as using as a daily driver, phone calls, SMS, MMS, web browsing. Its said in this vid its a more solid daily driver than say a Pinephone, but are there issues with calls or texting? Perhaps it even varies depending on the carrier?
I'm going to get a prepaid Sim card soon to test this, but I'm worried to put my main Sim in with AT&T because it locked my line the last 2 times I've put it in a Linux mobile phone (with both a PinePhone and an Ubuntu Touch Nexus 5). Than I have to call AT&T to get it unlocked.
@@PizzaLovingNerd Yeah, I have dabbled with custom ROM's and Ubuntu on older unlocked phones. Mixed bag for Ubuntu as some devices handle well enough, some have issues with texting/calls
@@PizzaLovingNerd please upload a video when you do!
I second this. Please do a realistic review of SMS, MMS, Phonecalls and web browsing.
Navigation is a big part of how I use my smartphone. I've been concerned about navigation options on the lebrum 5 if you do end up testing it out if you could find something to cover for that that would be awesome
$1300?
Holy...
I pre-ordered mine forever ago (pre-pandemic) and I've been nervous about being able to use it as a daily driver. This video is very useful in helping calm some of my fears. I'm still a bit worried that it won't work as my daily driver or that it will never show up but I'm excited for the project.
Super solid review! Thank you! I was loosely considering buying a Librem 5, but the pinephone seems better option now. It seems like a better option to just donate the ”extra” for them so they would have the same resources for developing the software as purism does
Pine64 doesn't do development themselves at all, they just make the hardware and let the community do what they want with said hardware.
So like... now you can do NOTHING even FASTER!!! Kick ass!
Subscribed!
Hardswitch for camera and micro - it's a killer feature!!! Can't do that even programmaticaly on my Samsung Note 20 Ultra
Awesome video
Jelly 18 yo still wanting a librem 5 noises
Lol that resonates a lot
If only they would send mine... I paid for mine in 2017 I think. So long ago I don't remember that well! The phone probably won't work on the cell networks when mine arrives.
I Completely agree with the price comment and concern, if it goes up I might not buy it because at that point their argument falls flat when I, for a example and example only, could get a 7 time better phone for the same price. Understandably the price will fluctuate which the price of components and the current chip shortage doesn't help but damn. That's too much man!
I've got my PinePhone on order, can't wait to start making stuff! I also might get either the PineTime or the PineTab, can't decide.
Its now $1,200 for the base model... Thats already insane
Bro... the music!
Hearing about these price increases makes this a big fucking nope. I’ll stick with iPhones because they are fucking cheaper which says a lot.
If your interested in a linux phone you could get a pinephone pro when it releases it gives far better bang for the buck and is hundreds of dollars cheaper and faster
You can still get a de-googled android if you want to
Seeing this review after the reveal of Pinephone Pro is interesting. It doesn't look like the Librem 5 will have much of a future.
Yeah honestly its hard to see a place for it there i mean what benefit does it have slightly easier to access kills switches
When will the Pinephone be available to buy in Canada?
Are you getting difficulties receiving/placing calls? Mine
Wow way smoother than the Pinephone. And yes, Camera and battery life.
But I can only afford a Pinephone lol.
@@kexec.
Yeah, I just saw the news yesterday, I like it on paper, but still concerned about camera and battery life (compared to Android phones), but this is better than nothing.
The OG PinePhone can actually beat my Android phone in battery life now
@@PizzaLovingNerd
With Wifi on and decent amount of services running in the background and 6-7 screen on time?
If that's true then I need to recalculate my numbers lol.
@@themedleb yeah but still if worst comes to worst regarding battery life i could just buy 2 and keep swapping them out
@@killertigergaming6762 Or one phone with swapping 2 batteries.
I didn't know this was here yet I know the librem system and pc is out. Unfortunately though for the librem phone there are a lot of disadvantages honestly and for a $800 (minimum) or how much you said it's way too expensive but hopefully they fix things along the way and make it cheaper and more available to a wider audience but right now I just see it mostly for security purposes that's what librem is about but that's only one of the few things that are special about it for me at least. Tbh as well it's more suited for business stuff then personal things or an individual in my opinion.
About Pinephone, did you upgrade your modem firmware? I know it's sucks, but the temperatures are then better than on normal stock modem firmware
can you try plasma mobile on the pinebook pro and downclock it too the clock of the pinephone pro to test how fast it could be?
countless delays... no joke. I'm still waiting for my 2019 order.
How can I get one
could you test pmos with plasma mobile on it?
can this device boot OS's like the Pinephone from a SD Card?
@@hepwo91222 You can boot an OS from a SD card, but for now the kernel and initramfs need to be stored somewhere on eMMC, as the bootloader doesn't have access to the SD card reader yet.
as a linux fanboy, I can’t wait to get mine 💯
bruh it's 800$
Currently 1299, check their website
@@johndumpling1896 I think that's the Librem 5 USA (Liberty phone) which is more expansive, not the regular Librem 5 ($699)
Fix the camera make i a competitor to iPhone 12 and I will pay 1,200
So frustrating, really tempted to buy this phone but the battery life is the problem for me, I have herd that this phones battery is more or less dead after 12 hours of regular use.
Now for me that leaves for work at 5am in the morning and doesn't get back home till 6pm sometimes while I'm working outdoors and as no access to possibly charge this phones battery back up, then this phones poor battery performance is just not good enough.
I don't want to be out and thinking that I will have to restrict how much I can use this phone because its just gonna go dead within hours.
Such a shame, its like Ferrari building a new super car and you really want to go out driving it but it keeps running out of fuel every 30 miles. Frustrating.
I disagree about the price being reasonable because I can get an iPhone or Samsung Galaxy for less.
Physical privacy switches? No.
Real phone/desktop convergence? No.
GNU/Linux distros with mainline kernel (with some patches)? No.
Lifetime OS (and probably firmware) updates with security and features and bug fixes? No.
If you don't value these things (and other unique things), then yeah an Android or iPhone is better for you. But you are not everyone else.
This thing is not about Linux, it is about paranoia
Major selling point
I like the kill switch option on it, way more practical than opening up the back like on the Pinephone and can easily see the switches too, where on the Pinephone have to squint to read what the switches do.
@@hepwo91222 What other useless things do you like?
@@_den_ why is it useless and if you are not interested in the features in this phone, why watch or comment on this video?
@@_den_ I don't think that physical kill switches are a bad feature, I like that I can turn off the mic/camera/gps and be sure that they really are disabled.
iPhone / no brainer
Honestly i dont see myself using killswitches anyway
They're not something you'll use frequently, but I can think of a couple of times when they'd be handy. I think the dip switches on the Pinephone are better for that usecase though. I could see myself accidentally flipping the killswitches on the Librem 5 and wondering why I'm not getting calls.
@@SIGSEGV1337 answering a call and they dont hear you
I would like to use them, turn off the camera and mic when not using the device. Currently even if you use the most secure custom ROM OS's out there, the carrier can still invade your privacy if they want.
@@hepwo91222 I would probably turn Wifi off on the go and mobile off at home. So those switches can be handy and you can save battery life as well.
I usually turn the Cell data and microphone switches off until I need to use them, but keep wifi and Bluetooth on.
Grub is better then SystemD
Python is better than arduino
@@Vancha112 I think he's talking about: Systemd-boot.
Are you on mastodon? @PizzaLovingNerd
grub is better than systemd