I Built a Modern BeBox with HAIKU
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Microcenter must be the easiest sponsor to promote. Such a great retailer
People ask me why I drive so far to go to a computer store. (It's only 45 minutes away to get to the Cambridge, MA store for me.) It's because the deals are great, but also if we want these places to exist, we have a duty to shop at them. Sure, I can buy all of the same stuff online, but going to a brick and morter location and getting to see everything (especially important for picking a case, or laptop, and most importantly a monitor) is better.
The biggest downside? I'll have a shopping list of like $200 in things I want, and then I finally leave with like $1,000 worth the stuff like 30 minutes later. As a tech hoarder, that store is very dangerous to me... but I still continue going. I need my fix! 🤣
I only take sponsorships from Big Tobacco and Raytheon - I enjoy challenge
if only they'd make a location in the PNW
@@first-last557 keep the crime down a bit more, and they might. 😁👍
I doubt they want the place looted every day and shat in by whatever random homeless drug addicts drift in there. 🤣
@sbrazenor2 the Cambridge store is my closest store too...but I live 3.5 hours away in Maine....but I still make the journey there 2 or 3 times a year (usually whenever I'm going to Fenway for a Sox game). Definitely worth the trip everytime!
There are two things I want in this world:-
1) Physical stores where I can buy anything I want whenever I want it. No online waiting time.
2) Independently owned shops that have specific types of stock in each one. I don't want everything to be an oversized general store that only has the same handful of products from each category in them. Do you know how annoying it to need something and your only options are Sainsbury's, Kaufland, Alza and Coles, no matter which direction you go?
It's so bloody refreshing to see a RUclips channel be sponsored by an actual shop, not a subscription or website.
used to have these in the 90 and early 2000s, then everyone wanted online convenience cheaper prices and global reach... and here we are... There is ZERO places like this where I live now, used to have several 20-30 years ago... yeah progress.
@@jonathont5570 exactly. That's why I try and shop at independent or niche stores regardless of how weird.
You know what would be really cool, though? If Haiku supported the modern POWER architecture and the Talos II and Blackbird motherboards. Then you could build a modern IBM POWER-based BeBox. The original was PowerPC-based, right? Much more analogous :)
I love the case design. That BeOS badge on the front is fricken perfect, and the RGB along the sides on the front is brilliant.
Are you in the mod community, Xbox too, you should be able to run Unix on them
original Power PC apps, not sure if people need that, why should you run them on Power PC ?
@@lucasremNot really, but I like to tinker. I did a CPU upgrade on a Power Mac G5 to make a dual 2.5 GHz out of a dual 2.0 GHz using one of the CPU modules out of a dead quad G5, for instance. I once put the guts of a beige G3 tower Mac into an ATX case too. Just yesterday, I installed Fedora Asahi Linux onto a spare M1 Mac mini :) I'm just a lone wolf enthusiast.
Holy shit I legit had the same idea. Honestly there's been so little RUclips attention on those desktop POWER machines. When I was in high school one of my dream PCs was the original unsuccessful Talos 1. That was back when I thought I'd become a computer engineer or programmer. Nowadays I'd just want one for the sheer fact it's an enterprise-grade architecture in desktop form.
@@ericwood3709 what about weird OSes for SPARCstations?
@@SonicBoone56 If those things weren't so prohibitively expensive, I'd get one just for fun. I like Fedora Linux anyway, so bonus there.
You lucky bastard. Nearest MicroCenter to me is like 2 hours away. Which, to someone who can't drive, feels about as far away as Alpha Centauri.
Get a friend!
Who drives and is into PCs.
6 hours for me. So it feels like going to Barnard's Star.
I really love your dedication to HAIKU! I'm also a person who is deeply fascinated by HAIKU and all the what if's this project offers. I use Fedora for work which I love so much, but for some reason, HAIKU just hits different...
I live near the Microcenter in Overland Park, KS and visit it all the time! So nice there's still a brick and mortar place like this nearby. I miss Frys and CompUSA.
We're getting a Microcenter down here in South Florida as well. A bit of a drive for me as it's down in Miami, but it's great that I have it here.
Cambridge, MA Micro Center needs a renovation. Used to work there and the roof leaks into the laptop store room, among other problems with the building. Still happy Micro Center is around though.
Pretty cool build. I am new to the channel and really enjoying it!
A someone who lives in Canada, that Microcenter sponsor hurts me.
So excited! The rumor is that they’re building one here in (or near) San Jose, Ca!
Thanks for the coupon! Just got back from Micro Center with my new 3D printer. Micro Center was awesome!
heck yeah microcenter rules!
“Bebox” sounds like a dvd box set of Cowboy Bebop 😂
(Or it sounds like beatboxing)
LOL. I'm not the only one who thought that! :)
it's just so funny to me dude, that Sceptre monitor you now use is literally my secondary monitor, the one to my right everyday that I use when I wanna multitask on my PC. wild to see it in a video lmao.
5:02 Performance tip, use the furthest memory slot from the cpu and its corresponding slot to get the best signal integrity and termination. In this case, that would be the grey slots.
DDR5 has error correction, so the performance might be degraded without any errors showing up and DDR5 is REALLY sensitive about trace lengths, clocking and timings.
Also, enable XMP in the UEFI interface.
XMP is Intel's way of setting the 'technically overclocking' frequency and timing settings that are advertised on the ram in one easy to use setting, instead of manually changing dozens of timing settings.
TL;DR: XMP make memory go BRRRRR (or at least at its rated speed)
BeOS had a installer that let you install BeOS in Windows without partitioning your drive. You would boot into Windows (98 in my case) run the BeOS app, and it would boot you into a copy of BeOS. It was such a smooth experience at the time.
But in that case you will be limited with the number of CPU cores recognized by the system. Only one. Maybe some other limitations as well.
I don't remember all the details but at that time I was motivated enough to give BeOS it's own separate partition.
@@jdotoko I was a rookie with computers at the time and back then you needed partition magic to resize the partitions on the family computer. I knew there were limitations but I was still impressed bu the performance on my 400MHz P2.
Love your Haiku videos! I've been a BeOS / Haiku user since Release 3, and for a time it was my daily driver. Only one point to comment: 100MB is OK for your EFI boot partition but, if you want to install -lets say- five different operating systems on the same disk, you will need at least a 512MB-1GB one to acomodate the different boot loaders, some of them may be way bigger than the BeOS one! 🤓
Love this. Don't live anywhere near a MicroCenter. However, waiting for your video where you find the most powerful laptop that is 100% Haiku compatible. If MicroCenter sells it, I'll buy it.
The computer build looks pretty nice, too bad there was no way to add a Geek Port to the machine......perhaps someday in the future, yes?
Really looking forward to the Charlotte store opening, it'll be nice to actually have a physical place where I can get my hands on electronic components without having to order online.
11:21 Adrian Black in the house? Man this looks so awesome.
Love that micro center, great place to visit!
I wish we had something like Microcenter in Australia, we have our own stores but they are usually tiny, at least the ones I've been to
yea same
i have ple and pccasegear and mwave but none are even close to micro center
We have a MicroCenter here in Cleveland.
It's like the wold's biggest candy/toy store.
I'd like to see one of the regular CPU benchmarks you find running on this thing. It almost looks like an OS that provides just enough to provide a usable desktop without the fluff.
God, I miss "brick and mortar" PC retailers. They are all gone here in Brazil, apart from some very small shops.
I just wish the UK had a Microcenter alternative, we had Mapplin but they closed all physical stores years ago and Curry's hasn't stocked PC parts in quite awhile from what I know
Wow! This is kinda weird. I have the same case, and I also have the Phanteks RGB LED strip(s)... The way you did it looks absolutely INCREDIBLE by adding them to the front. Gonna do this tomorrow myself! Thank you!
one day the haiku teapot will be like the windows xp landscape, and everyone will be searching for the real teapot it was modeled after.
No need to search too much! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_teapot
Proper wooder-cooling.
You know who needs a Microcenter? Everywhere in the Great Northwest! Thanks' a lot. If you're in Alaska or Hawaii, just an extra layer of salt on that wound. Most of us just see Microcenter next to an Amazon exclusive.
Tell them to bring Microcenter to Canada!! We won’t even make them change their name to Microcentre, they can keep their improper spelling!!
"All of us here in the US are so lucky to have a real thriving, dedicated, computer and technology chain, it's so wonderful to just go down to a store..."
Oh sweet, I want to go there!
Looks up Microcenter locations in Florida...womp womp.
microcenter rocks xd one of the few things i'm envious of you guys in the US for : )
I'm lucky enough to live in a city with a MicroCenter, which I used to do my first computer build, and will go back to soon for my next. They're always busy-weekends they're packed. Oh, did you know they'll price match?
I am a fan of this video for no specific reason
Thanks!
I’ve never been in a Micro Center, because there’s none in southern New Jersey (or Nee Jersey at all, I think), but I really wish we had one here.
Your Micro Center is the closest one to me, and it’s just not worth the drive. It would be great if they open one in Deptford or Cherry Hill, or even better Atlantic City, where about I live..
BeBox 2.0 is HaikuBox
Really want Haiku OS on my Apple Silicon M1 with GPU support
It will be obsolete in a couple of years or so (with Apple), and I will use it for another 10 years with Linux, or Haiku OS perhaps....
One is coming to Miami soon as well.
I need to make a pilgrimage to microcenter at some point.
You can show us illumos (open indiana or tribblix) and redox os if you don't want to show bsd's and linux. Very nice video...
I used to have to go to that location for work a few years ago, I wonder how many times i passed you in the store lol
_"It's teatime at H.P. Lovecraft's house"_ LOL 🤣
I wish there was a Micro Center in Central Florida… or any part of Florida…. :(
5:44 Perfect is the enemy of done. :3
a micro center is opening in miami eventually
If Microcenter is watching this, please for the love of Silicon, if you build a new store in Europe, build it in London pretty please!!!!
Closest Micro Center to me is in Denver. When you're disabled with no car, Denver may as well be on a different planet.
I love the case. NIcely done.
Be-rilliant!
My local microcenter... i wish i had one
1:34 I hate to break it to you, but other countries have specialty PC stores as well.
this reminds me i need to find a cheap fully supported ultrabook for haiku : )
Hello! Can you tell me, please, model of this Creative speakers? I loved it.
I love going in to my local Microcenter just to manhandle the cases. I'll pay more for hardware like mice and keyboards from there if I can get to handle them.
Jean-Louis Gassée would be proud, I hope he sees this video!
somebody Is loved haiku
Aren't there any GPU's that work in Haiku? Since the Intel APU is working, do the Intel Arc GPU's work?
He’s running the x64 build of Haiku! It isn’t backwards compatible but its a fully modern operating system. It shows how smooth it runs on modern hardware. 😊
This isn’t official until you put a Mac mini G4 logic board in there!
I like those Creative Labs speaker set what model are they?
I think it would look better with a Haiku logo.
Why didn't I realize Radnor was your local MC?
Wish the closest Micro Center wasn't 3 hours away. :(
which video card? onboard graphics? are there dedicated GPUs supported in Haiku?
There is absolutely zero support for hardware acceleration in Haiku. It's using the Intel graphics but only for the display output, it's not actually _using_ the GPU.
Next: Try SerenityOS on this
homie, you've been losing hella weight. keep it up bro whatever you're doing is working great
Feels wrong to see you running this on modern hardware 😂
Is that the LTT screwdriver we see?!
You are a lucky man mr retro
well, now build the overkill TempleOS PC
Basically made in the last 25 years will be overkill for that lol
Action Modern
He didn't take the heatsink of the ssd
Cool
Fry's Electronics RIP🥲
as someone who has a mac i agree with jeff
Bless Mrs. Retro, tolerating infinite shenanigans.
The woman is a saint. 🤣
"And if you enjoy living with a grown man who does unreasonable things to innocent old computers, I hope you'll consider subscribing to the channel."
It is insane that you can build a supercomputer power from 80s/90s using off-the-shelf components and then run BEOS on it. 🤣
It is Haiku he shows, a modern system inspired by Be. Be itself will not run on anything later than pentium iii, and will not allow more than 1Gb of RAM. There will also be complications running modern compilers on it, I think it was tied to gcc 2.95 (ancient). I have a holiday in a few weeks and have collected a dual 440BX motherboard, ram, chips and ssd to have a shot at a build, all from ebay. An IDE to SSD interface should allow a faster experience than the system had 25 years ago. Peripheral cards that used to be expensive are cheap on ebay also - intel chipset network cards, video cards.
Also record a video on your phone post it to the internet and view the video on your watch with wireless earbuds. Probably more absurd things if you told people in the 90s
@@yakmage8085 lets calls it wireless walkman
Technically not BeOS as it's NewOS instead. But I don't want to correct you, but I did. Im sorry. lol
"I am a big fan of Haiku operating system" , well , we almost didn't noticed it ...xD
Yup, milked 4 videos (including this one) from Haiku
That’s my nearest Microcenter, too! I love it! And everyone on the staff with whom I’ve spoken has been a total pro and super helpful!
oh yeah they are so great there. i'm seriously in there all the time lol
My local store as well! ❤
Must be nice. The closet one to me is a minimum 4 hour drive to get too. 😢
It's my local MicroCenter, too! St. Davids, PA! The same Microcenter where a bit over a year ago I managed to basically win the lottery and snag an RTX 4090 Founders Edition. Thought i'd "missed out" on getting a PNY 4090 because I was there looking at 3D printer filament and thought to myself "Yeah right... what are the odds they'd have a 4090 in stock today?". Literally 30 seconds after I asked that, someone else asked, and they're like "Yep, we have one last PNY brand card in stock". So I was all kinds of pissed off at myself.... went up to another employee, asked if there was any chance they might have another 4090, to which I was told that the last one was just purchased.
Fast forward maybe 10-15 minutes, I picked out my filament that i wanted to get (wanted.... not NEEDED.... can't help but go there and buy at LEAST 2 spools), and was finally telling myself "Ok, time to get out of here before I find other stuff to spend money on". As I walk away from the filament area, the employee walks up to me with a very generic looking, though familiar, brown box, and says "Hey.... according to my manager, there's an RTX 4090 Founder card in here. If you want it, it's yours". Obviously they opened the box just to double check that it WAS a 4090 FE. Other employees looked at it, puzzled they got a FE when only Best Buy gets them. Another customer walked over and told them he wanted it and they're like "Sorry, already claimed". I even took the generic brown box when I bought it, A) because it's a rather overengineered generic brown box, and B) didn't want to be walking around ANYWHERE in the semi-Philly area with a blatantly obvious high-end GPU box in the middle of the GPU shortage.
And on a funny note.... as is typical with MicroCenter (and most other retailers), I got at least one e-mail asking me to leave a review of my recent purchase.... of the 4090 FE...... the card that, to this day, is nowhere on their website (for obvious reasons). They wanted me to leave a review, that would never be seen by anybody, for a card that they don't sell. The even MORE funny part.... I got 2 emails earlier this month, saying I could make use of "an exclusive Trade-In Program for working GPUs purchased at Micro Center, ensuring you get same-day value for your graphics card." That trade in value? $699.95! I could trade in my GPU, in a period where there isn't any other GPU more powerful than it, for probably a little more than half of what I could get for it if I were to just throw it on eBay right now. NICE! lol
@@rmcdudmk2125 hrs for me will have to check them out next time I’m near there
Wish we had something like Micro Center here in the UK!
Overclockers UK, IMEX business park in Stoke on Trent is really good. If I was in England and I was making a new build It's where I'd go.
@@jondonnelly3That's one store for the whole UK though... and it's in Stoke-on-Trent, the butt of every joke about places in the UK that are terrible.
We used to have a quite similar shop to Micro Center, called Maplin - it sold PC components, cases, etc. It also sold just electronics components for projects, you could go in and buy a single resistor or a bag of 555 timers or anything else.
Unfortunately over time it became less about that and more just mass-market gadgets and then the online retailers just blew it out of the water on pricing. A real shame because being able to get PC parts or electronic components same-day, within the hour if you lived near enough, was fantastic.
PC World used to also be pretty good in terms of selection but now it's just an area in a general electronics and appliances retailer rather than a full standalone store, and it just doesn't have the stock variety that it used to.
Maplin did exist as more of a hobbyist type store but they died like 6 years ago
"Tea Time at H.P. Lovecrafts House" is my favorite quote this month!
absolutely do not ask about the cat
biblically accurate teapot.
lol pretty sure when the Microcenter opened up here in Indy there was a big sign that said "please don't shoot your youtube/tiktok/whatever videos in here"
He did ask for permission, which turned into a sponsorship. Also, I think when they first opened they were limiting videos to the tech influencers to the people who they'd brought in to open the store. Don't know about now, and my local (Dallas) MicroCenter doesn't have any signs
@arthuralford sure wish they'd open one in Tyler.... we could use one in east Texas
I miss mine, haven't had one since I left Houston
@@raymacdhomhnuill8018 pretty sure there is one in east Texas actually. North of Galveston.
I wish Micro Center would put a store closer to me! My closest one is in Baltimore, but i've stopped at the St. Davids store a few times when out that way to see my kids. Love that place. Oh wait... maybe they shouldn't put a store closer, then i'd be broke!
Same here. The closest store to me is a 4-6 hour drive.
I never leave the store without spending a few hundred on things I don't need.
@@rmcdudmk212 ...... still worth it. Maybe not as often as me driving a hair over an hour to St. Davids.... but still worth it. lol
@@marcosramirez385 In my case, not always a "few hundred"..... but at least 2-4 spools of filament each trip.
What we really need is a USB interface to an Arduino based LED controller (eg. WS2812/5 protocol). A small polling based app that reads CPU usage every 1/60 sec and lights up the LED’s accordingly, and presto, BlinkenLights. A Haiku dev can get this done in a day. For my employer I’ve done something similar (RS232 port), but for mass market appeal you need USB. A good option would be to 3D print a mini case with LED lamps, say 8 strips (like the good old HiFi spectrum analysers) and sell this to retro enthuisiasts.
Flip the radiator, it's mounted upside down which is not ideal. It will be noisier and if there's air bubbles it can damage or destroy the pump. Your pump is at the top of the loop with the radiator's current orientation and you never want that, and it'll allow you to mount your pump in the correct orientation rather than sideways.
That's only true if the top part of the radiator is lower than the pump, which is not the case there and this is the recommended orientation for front install. If he used the XL version of the North, he would've mounted the AIO at the top instead.
Don't use ESD bags to build stuff on, the outside of an ESD bag is very conductive. Use the cardboard box or a ESD safe mat. Part of my yearly training at work is to make sure I never use an ESD bag as a ESD safe mat.
Or use the anti static foam from inside the bag.
That is one cool project! I still have my original BeBox (Dual PPC 66 MHz). It still works after almost 30 years, and I run it every now and then - purely for nostalgia! BTW, the LED strips on the sides reflect the activities of the processors.
That's amazing!
I love Micro Center, but does anyone else remember their store #1 before they became a "big box" store? It was really something special that I have fond memories of. It was in a two-story building and was set up kinda as if each department was its own store in a small shopping mall. Each department had their own registers, so you could check out from any of them, but it literally felt like you were going into a mall with each store dedicated to something computer or electronics related. It was just missing a food court.
That sounds pretty sick, wish I coulda seen it
oh cool, where was that at?
@@ActionRetro It was on Lane Ave in Columbus, Ohio, where they are based out of.
Fun facts.
Micro Center is an American computer department store founded in Columbus, Ohio in 1979 by two former Radio Shack employees. The first Micro Center store was a 900 sq ft (84 m2). storefront located in the Lane Avenue Shopping Center in Upper Arlington, Ohio. There are 22 Micro Center stores nationwide in California, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, and Virginia.Micro Center is one of the companies of Micro Electronics, Inc., a privately held corporation headquartered in Hilliard, Ohio in suburban Columbus. Besides selling the name brand products of a multitude of manufacturers, Micro Center also sells products under various of its own brand names. These brand names include PowerSpec, WinBook, and IPSG. As well, their Redemtech division sells used and surplus computing equipment through their stores. Micro Center's slogan (appearing on the store's signage outside the stores) has, in later years, come to be "Micro Center: The Ultimate Computer Store".
@@CoreDreamStudios I've been at their corporate location for interviews a couple of times. I was overqualified both times, but I still think it would be a cool place to work doing something similar to what I do now.
I can't believe it.
Action Modern.
13:05 I need to know if the Intel iGPU drivers are just crap here or is this running off the CPU completely somehow?
I’m no expert but I believe your rear case can is backwards and your AIO is upside down?
This video can't be real. No catastrophes. Nothing went wrong. Completely unlike every other video on this channel. I do love the light strips.
This is cool.. but i would actually like to see real BeOS running “natively” on the fastest platform it supports…
*siiiiigh* In the 1/4 of the United States without a single Micro Center in it.
I have 2 within an hour drive of me
Port all the drivers... Then the rest of the world !
your next project NEEDS to be making the RGB strips reflect the CPU activity! 😍
We need an early 2006 iMac Linux install . It's harder for 32bit processor AND 32bit EFI. Needs some shenanigans 😂❤
Aren't the memory on the wrong slots at 5:07?
It should be on A2 and B2. Not A1 and B1.
I screamed when I saw that. When you have 4 slots and 2 sticks, it's always CPU, empty slot, stick, empty slot, stick.
Or you're happy with single channel RAM. Weirdo.
should of Go for Ryzen 5900 or 7900 even the 8700G for real High end istead of Panic Deployed Re Hash CPU
When demoing official Minecraft builds can I convince you to hit F3 to show the debug stats in game? Even just flash it for a moment would get me what I'm asking for. I just like seeing what is reported for the setup and if that is on screen and I can pause the video to read, that would give me all kinds of fun info. And just to have it said I did go to Madison Heights Micro Center to get an Evolve 3 to mess with after your recent video.
Jean-Louis Gassee wants to know where you were back in 1996 when he needed to convince Apple...