Fun fact! Closing his eyes in reference to just a man, where he tells the baby to close its eyes to save itself the view before dropping it to its death!
And! A great juxtaposition to dream-Penelope telling him to keep his eyes open to keep the windbag safe. Then, his subconscious is telling him to stay aware, to keep pushing, whatever you do, don't give up. Now? Begging for it to stop.
ngl i thought it was more a call back to underworld saga with him saying something like "all I hear are screams when I close my eyes" and now it's more like his waking world is the nightmare and he can only turn off the screams by closing his eyes (possibly permanently)
Calypso called him Ody, just like Eurylochus Said "I'll stay inside your heart" like his mom "i'll stay in your heart" And Polites' open arms. Then we can hear, Polites, Eurylochus, and Anticlea, cause him can only hear their voices. But we can also hear Penelope's motif, cause he still keeps thinking of her
@ during Mutiny, when he’s depressed and despairing and the captain-second in command walls are broken down, he goes “Ody we’re never gonna get to make it home, you know it’s true” IRL he’s Odysseus’s brother in law and certainly in universe an old friend (was there for the boar)
I feel like it’s honestly so extra 😭😭 Like Calypso herself is cursed to love anyone who comes to the island. It’s not out of evil intent. I don’t even think Jorge really intended for her to be a villain at all. Or else he wouldn’t have made I’m Not Sorry For Loving You.
@jyanik8212 well the curse of Calypso falling in love with anyone is a PJ thing only so I don't think it applies here in Epic. There is a lot of conflicting info about Calypso from what I've seen, and it stems from a lot of people not realizing that they can acknowledge what happened in the orginal and still respect Jorge's retelling
@@astellis11the cursed to fall in love was definitely Riordan’s spin… but my understanding of at least Homer’s version was she was exiled to live in alone on her island. The question is how well immortal psychology would acclimate to living in isolation for centuries relative to how humans mentally degrade even after years in solitary. We really can’t know. Either way, it doesn’t excuse her actions, but it does garner some sympathy from the average person for her predicament, especially not knowing with certainty how we would handle the same situation. We all want to think we would do better but we can’t even understand the lived experience of immortality. Maybe mortality is what makes us more generally predisposed to ethical choices. 🤷🏻♀️
I keep seeing people say Calypso is "controversial", but has anyone seen people defending her? It seems like everyone knows what she's doing is wrong, there's just a question about how responsible for her own actions she is due to conflicting mythologies.
@@Frostbite08 it's not necessarily people defending her so much as not condemning her a mindless monster who's purposely keeping Ody away from home. the argument isn't about, "is Calyspo blatantly bad stuff", it's about, "is Calypso, at her core, a cruel person?" that's where the debate comes from. is she cruel for constantly lusting after Odysseus, or is she naive and misguided due to her lack of companionship?
Time for emotions. This song… Ten years. It’s been ten years since their fight, all the while Odysseus has been trying to get home. Finally, on the precipice of despair, one step from ending his pain, Odysseus cries out. His first plea for help in this entire series, and it’s to someone he had experienced a massive falling out with in _hopes_ she will save him. That scene broke me in so many ways
The last part broke me. Odysseus' will to live is absolutely gone, and in a last attempt to save himself he calls out to the only friend who's still alive, even though they didn't part on the best of terms, so he doesn't even know if she will listen to his plea 😭
Every time Odysseus starts crying out, the tears start flowing on my end. You can just feel the pain - and then the call for Athena adds even more. He doesn't even know if she's out there, he doesn't know if she'd listen to him... but he calls for her anyway, because she's the only one he _can_ call on.
I like how you try to see it from Calypso's perspective too. Not a lot of people do that and I find it really deepens the storyline. Really enjoyed the reaction!
@@Michaellearnsart Yes! The happiness she feels from Odysseus' presence is a counter for loneliness and is not necessarily love in a romantic sense, but she doesn't know what love is, so this happy feeling is interpreted as love. She sees companionship as love.
100 years alone. I’d most likely be latching onto to the first person I’ve seen in 100 years the same way. Plus have to remember Calypso from epic and Calypso from original story are different people
Especially during this animatic. Idk why this animator chose to explicitly show Calypso assaulting Odysseus when Jorge has stated multiple times that Calypso doesn't do that in EPIC
Always good seeing people who don't know the story interact with the musical, especially jen And yeah you did hit the nail on the head with Calypso being the only person there, as to why you can see that in not sorry for loving you
Spoilers (kinda?) Why is it a problem for people to not like Calypso here? Is she as bad as her book equivalent? God no. But she still holds someone against their will, basically mocks them with the fact that they can6di anything about it, while she doesn't physically harrass them she does absolutely verbally (telling someone you and them are gonna be together after they've repeatedly told you to stop is harassment), and her apology? Yeah, no, for the people saying that Odysseus didn't apologize to Poseidon right (he didn't), Calypso’s is worse. No one needs to go to the source material to not like her imo and clearly this isn't a unanimous thing, since Circe is wildly loved here and Epic and she does a similar thing in the Odyssey. Case in Point: I love Circe here, not in the Odyssey but I don't like Calyso in either (except her voice, gorgeous vocals, Jorge always chooses the best)
I agree with you -- the issue I have is when people shut down others for feeling any sympathy for Calypso. Imo, you can feel sympathy for a person while still acknowledging what they've done is abhorrent and inexcusable. (Spoilers for the Vengeance Saga) I'm Not Sorry for Loving You is a heartbreaking song and I feel terrible for Calypso's situation; it's also a bad apology. I personally read Epic's Calypso as not being intentionally malicious, she earnestly believes she loves Odysseus. At the same time, her words come across as manipulative (putting the onus on Odysseus for not loving her). I read this more as an unconcious, warped reasoning rather than something actually sinister. TLDR: What Calypso did is categorically wrong, AND I find her character nuanced and sympathetic. Both are true.
@@StrudelHalfBaked Oh absolutely, I think she has no malicious intent in her bones on epic, she clearly truly loves him. On the flip side, part of loving someone is knowing when to let them go, which she ultimately never learns and doesn't fully see what's wrong with her actions. I'll never fault someone for feeling sympathetic for her, but I don't like how so many people think that others aren't allowed to dislike her. I think sympathetic characters can still be dislikable whether you sympathize with them or not, yk?
@@StrudelHalfBakedshe doesnt have malicious intent because she shes not human, she doesnt see what she is doing is wrong and it is wrong, Not sorry for loving you was extremely triggering when i heard it for the first time, as someone that was in an abusive situation for 6 years the stuff she was saying was words i heard over and over again in attempts to guilt trip and gaslight and manipulate me for feeling bad for even thinking of leaving, it felt like she was saying it was his fault for her loving him and its his fault for this situation and that hes the bad guy for making her feel this way and that how could such and innocent love not be enough for him, that plus knowing what she did to him every night for seven years I couldnt forgive her
@@evelynolea4433 I do agree with most of what you said but i do want to point out that "what she did to him every night for seven years" probably only happened in the Odessy, not in Epic. Epic is not a 1 to 1 replica, it has many changes from the original story. I do not belive Jorge kept that part of the story for Epic, especialy since it's never stated she did that to him. We shouldn't assume something is canon to Epic unless it's a part of the songs or said by Jorge himself. It's only stated she want's to sleep with him, not that she actualy did. Ofcourse she is still Toxic AF, but not as bad as in the original story.
Hmm, I dunno... It diverges the most from the canon with the ending, and although I do love it (it's probably my favourite), it is kind of a bad idea for first watch
Something that breaks my heart so much in the last part of this song, is that, we see an Odysseus totally different from the one presented to us. He has always known how to keep things in control, be at bay, have solutions efficiently and quickly, face everything with determination, etc. However, we see his most vulnerable side possible, one that is desperate to such an extent, from what I interpret, as if he comes to pray to heaven as long as they save him from his misery💔
When ody and calypso were at the cliff area, you hear calypso saying “open arms” which basically means poilites! But she also said the words “ody” (from mutiny, said by eurylochus) and “i’ll stay inside ur heart” (from the underworld, by his mom) which is why they showed up!
If you haven't yet decided on which animatic you'll use for your "God Games" reaction I highly recommend the one "Neal Illustrator" made! It's one of my favorite interpretations so far.
If you haven't already recorded your Vengeance saga reactions, I totally recommend "Dangerous" from Orange! It's my favorite Epic animatic. Love your reactions, Jen!
The artists that make every animatic are extremely talented and i love seeingt the various styles. That being said though, I will say this particular animatic doesnt fit the portrayal of Calypso for Epic the musical. Its important to remember that though the musical is based off The Odyssey. There are a lot of creative liberties that purposely tell the story differently. This particular animaric is more catered to the darker side of the actual Odyssey story
Yes, that's the trap people fall into when it comes to Calypso. They tend to focus on the tragedy of the orginal, which in my opinion downplays the story Jorge is trying to tell
I actually disagree with this, I don’t believe Jorge has ever said that Calypso did not do the things this animatic shows, if he did then I apologize for being uninformed, but while Calypso in Epic is wildly more sympathetic and understandable she still does awful and horrific things to Odysseus. Both can be true at once, and I believe that erasing a characters terrible actions because they are sympathetic does a disservice to the storytelling. Calypso is an incredibly complicated and layered character, and it absolutely makes sense to feel sympathetic to her situation, but at the end of the day she still very clearly forces herself on Odysseus and pays no attention to his feelings. I’d say this animatic does a pretty good job of showing that while also making it clear that she genuinely cares about him in her own slightly twisted way.
16:04 yeah she is cursed to never leave by Zeus because of i believe her father and oddy is the only person that has entered the prison because that's what the island is. a really big and beautiful jail cell.
When you react to God Games you’ve gotta watch Neal Illustrators version. The designs of the gods are all amazing, she actually made them feel larger than life and godly and match their voices really well (something I think you missed out with Thunder Bringer. No hate to the animator you reacted to for Thunder Bringer but I just don’t think their design really matched the vibe of Zeus or the voice actors voice), she made the Olympians actually feel like an immortal family, and the way she did the ending like changed the way I saw the song/story. It’s heartbreaking in a good way lmao, highly recommend
So, as people have already said, Calypso said some stuff in her attempt to get Ody away from the ledge of the cliff that ultimately ended up making his breakdown worse. I see a lot of people say she did that on purpose though, which I think is pretty stupid take, ngl. Odysseus himself says she has no idea what he's been through. So that means that all throughout those 7 years he's been on the island he's never told her of his travels and tribulations. All she has to go on are the things he says in his sleep. The first of which, mind you, had to do with his wife whom he loves, cherishes, and clearly uses as a source of inner strength. So obviously, she's going to assume the others are similar. Funnily enough, at literally any other point in his journey she'd probably be right. Point is, I see a lot of people just assuming she's more malicious than she actually is. She is doing something bad, but she's doing bad things like a kid does. She's too naive and inexperienced to really understand that what she's doing is wrong, or at least the depths to which it's wrong. And that's all not even considering what her own psychological state is like after being more or less trapped on an island for centuries at the very least. Whether she stays willingly or not kinda changes depending on what versions of the story you read, but regardless, Jorge has long since proven that his renditions of the gods are more human character-wise than their original selves. So it wouldn't be outlandish for her to have suffered some of the same effects as most humans do in extended periods of isolation and solitary.
She word for word quotes three unrelated phrases from different loved ones of Ody's. Maybe an argument can be made that she wasn't malicious, but she definitely can't be compared to the naivety of a kid. She is a god who's like several times older than Ody. My personal canon is that she heard him talk in his sleep and then tried to use what she heard to manipulate him off the edge. She wasn't trying to hurt him, but she WAS trying to control him.
@drakemckisson2428 ... Yes...? What's your point? That's naturally what you're doing when trying to talk someone down from suicide. Also, I said she had the naivety of a kid, not that she's stupid. Kids know how to get what they want. A lot of them are really good at pattern recognition because they're still learning. So since Ody presented the pattern of talking in his sleep about his loved ones then obviously she's gonna make the assumption that those are all happy memories. She's been locked away on an island paradise her whole life dreaming of having people she can love like he does, so obviously she's not gonna think there's any negative feelings that could be tied to them. Like I said, she has the naivety of a child, and most children can't fathom the idea of love hurting or not loving family and what not. So she hears him say these lines and these phrases and they're supposedly attached to those he loves, and here he is at his lowest point contemplating suicide, so of course shed fall back on that pattern. Remind him of his loved ones and hope it's enough to ground him. And I mean... Shit, it works. Can't much argue with results even if they were gotten in accidentally painful ways.
Another one is: “No one can come or go. My island stays unknown.” A goddess that chooses to stay on an island alone, yet is completely social enough to kindly welcome a stranger rather than coldly trying to turn them away from her lonely island? A lot take Calypso at face value without questioning just what she says in her song and how reliable as a source. Granted, she is the only source, but picking apart discrepancies in her personality versus her story very easily tells a deeper story of she is not in her right mind and is desperate for any sort of company to keep.
@@fishnewt1331 in relation to how she responded. Welcoming a stranger whom she fell in love with. And believed would be her salvation. Yea she was pretty welcoming
I’m so exited to see you react to god games! It was the first full song I had ever heard from this. I was shocked at the quality, but didn’t know where it came from. Then I found the rest. It’s amazing, and will always be my first favorite.
Out of all the Love In Paradise animatics, this one is an.... interesting choice! It's not bad, and maybe im a little biased because im not particularly fond of the art style, but Ximena's and Mikuchi's (I'm so sorry if I spelled that wrong) are better at capturing everything, especially Calypso's playful, yet controlling nature, and Odysseus' emotions/reactions to everything, and just the overall vibe Jorge was going for with this song, in my opinion. Regardless, I look forward to this reaction 😊
Long story short for Calypso’s story. She is a daughter of a Titan and sided with them during the war of Titans vs Olympians. When the Titans lost the Olympians banished her to her island all alone. So basically she is desperate for companionship. In the Odyssey she offers Odysseus immortality if he marries her. Also the line “last I checked Goddesses can’t die”, I’ve seen other channels that know her story speculate that Jorge put that line in to maybe suggest that she tried taking her life at one point. Long story short Calypso formed a toxic trait to try and trap men on her island so she won’t be alone anymore.
Calypso actually says a line from polites, odys mum and eurylocus, she calls him ody like eurylocus, says the open arms for polites and says he’ll stay inside his heart which is what the mum says in the underworld
I honestly love Calypso. She's incredibly manipulative out of a desperate loneliness, saying anything she knows will tug at Ody's heart in attempts to pull him back to her, to make him stay. On some level she knows she's wrong, too.
Girl you’re stronger than me 😭 I heard this song for the first time and burst into tears when I got hit with Polites, Eurylochus, and his mom overlapping at the end
Calypso is the daughter of Atlas (some accounts say Oceanus and Tethys), her name means 'She Who Conseals'. In Homer's Odyssey, Odysseus remains faithful for the seven years, other Greek poets claim that Odyssey has one to three kids with her before leaving. Remember in Greek Mythology, nothing is canon, and everything is fan-fiction
Calypso was banished to that island centuries ago for her father's role in the titanomachy (when the titans who existed first fought the newer Olympian gods, her father is a titan) and yes, Odysseus is literally the first other person she's seen in literal centuries and more than likely the first human. I think an important thing is here is that she's never escaped. She isn't holding Odysseus captive, they're just both prisoners sharing the same prison cell. It's gonna be stated explicitly in the next song but yeah, someone else is imprisoning both.
Just because I haven’t seen anyone say anything about but in one Greek Myth Penelope yes Odysseus’ wife while he is gone (I think, as far as I know it never specifies) is the mother of Pan who is one of Hermes’ kids and I believe the father of satyrs and where we get the word panic from
Fun facts :D Calypso is actually cursed to live in total isolation on her island by the gods because she both supported and is the child of the Titans (parents: Oceanus and Tethys).
I just realized you could change very little of the Just a Man chorus to make it make sense with “I’m not your man” I’m not your man, I’m trying to go home, Even after all the years away from what I’ve known! I’m not your man, I’m fighting for my life, Deep down I would trade world to see my son and wife! I’m not your man
Calypso was banished to that island to be forever alone because her Father Atlas sided against Zeus during the War, so Calypso seeing this guy showing up out of nowhere really is like Olympus throwing her a bone. Also, a lot of people draw attention to her remarks of "Nobody comes or goes." and "Last I cheep goddesses can't die" to say that out of loneliness she attempted to test that preconception herself. I don't know how I personally feel on the idea, but it definitely makes the situation for her much sadder.
Calypso was in fact always alone on this isle, and knew no one, except Hermes who would come to mock or prank her cause she could not leave her isle and it's Hermes of course he would do that. (if my memory is right). If I'm wrong people can correct me with good manner of course.
So a little background on Calypso (and apologies bc this is kinda long, and also TW for mentions of SA): She is a minor goddess, and the daughter of the Titan General Atlas, who was cursed to hold up the world following the Titans' defeat in the war with the gods. Calypso sided with her father in the war (she was very young at the time) and as a punishment she was banished to Ogygia (her island) which is enchanted so that no one can find it. But every so often someone will wash ashore-Odysseus is one of, if not the very first one to do so-and she is cursed by Zeus to fall in love with them instantly, but they will never return her feelings. So she's been all alone for hundreds of years, and now is instantly in love with the first guy she's ever really met. And while her tragic backstory does deserve sympathy and makes her actions understandable, she still chose to use her magic to keep him trapped for seven years, and in the Odyssey also uses her magic to force him into bed with her at night. Jorge intentionally left that part kind of ambiguous in Epic, so it's up for interpretation, but in the original work it speaks of them going to bed at night, and I believe the exact wording is something like "one unwilling, one all too willing." So, a very complex character and complicated situation for sure. I'm so glad to see you examine things from both perspectives here. On a lighter note, Barbra Wangui's vocals for Calypso give me life and she deserves all the praise for her performance!
Zeus never said Ody would make it back to his family. All he ever said was they needed to be punished and Ody had the choice between himself or his crew being killed then and there. Ody made his decision because the only way he had a chance to get home and see his family is if he stayed alive, but its not a guarantee that it will happen
The most upbeat, playful and fun (on a rewatch) song in the Thunder Saga? Why Suffering of course The most depressing, emotions inducing, hard-to-listen-to-at-times song in the Wisdom saga? Why Love in Paradise of course What's more, given the themes the titles almost could have just been reversed. 'Penelope' is promising Love in Paradise and this song is all about recapping Ody's Suffering
Odysseus has been trapped, told he'll never get back to his wife - which is the entire reason he sacrificed all of his friends for - while being raped for the past seven years. I'd say the man has some legitimate reasons to be contemplating ending it all. This is probably the darkest the musical really gets.
The animatic is my second favorite one, but my first is: ruclips.net/video/Z-BmDEx5rNU/видео.html&pp=ygUZbG92ZSBpbiBwYXJhZGlzZSBhbmltYXRpYw%3D%3D for anyone that wants it, the art is genuinely so good and leans more into how they'd appear in Homer's Odyssey
Jorge’s Calypso feels more… innocent isn’t the right word. But is definitely a more caring character. Homer’s Calypso was awful, even if you consider her curse to fall for whomever.
So despite the horribly upsetting multi layer toxic manipulation from our girl Calypso there is yet another layer of tragedy. Calypso is also cursed to fall in love with whoever washes up on her shore by the very gods that banished her to the island. So while her actions are indefensible she is just as much a prisoner of circumstance as Odysseus. Also to answer your question, no, there is literally no one else on the island besides the two of them.
Zeus impriosned calypso on the island by herself eternally for siding with her father atlas during the titan wars. She's SUPER LONELY. She's been there 100's of years by herself
i always assumed it was because he was feeling guilt about the people who died specifically, and feeling and thinking of rejoining them he’s at his darkest moment mentally, so maybe he can’t bear to hope for his wife who still lives
I’d be down for hers, Mikuchis’ or DuvetBox’s, but I don’t think they were out when she recorded this. I love how Mik animated theirs, and Duvet just keeps popping off.
Jesus loves you and died on the cross to save you from your sins and rose three days later so that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life
Fun fact! Closing his eyes in reference to just a man, where he tells the baby to close its eyes to save itself the view before dropping it to its death!
And! A great juxtaposition to dream-Penelope telling him to keep his eyes open to keep the windbag safe. Then, his subconscious is telling him to stay aware, to keep pushing, whatever you do, don't give up.
Now? Begging for it to stop.
ngl i thought it was more a call back to underworld saga with him saying something like "all I hear are screams when I close my eyes" and now it's more like his waking world is the nightmare and he can only turn off the screams by closing his eyes (possibly permanently)
@@lusus5610 It can be both
Calypso called him Ody, just like Eurylochus
Said "I'll stay inside your heart" like his mom "i'll stay in your heart"
And Polites' open arms.
Then we can hear, Polites, Eurylochus, and Anticlea, cause him can only hear their voices. But we can also hear Penelope's motif, cause he still keeps thinking of her
Oh shit I didn’t catch the other two
Wait I keep hearing everyone saying eurylochus calls Odysseus Ody, but cant remember when😭😭, can someone tell me???
@ during Mutiny, when he’s depressed and despairing and the captain-second in command walls are broken down, he goes “Ody we’re never gonna get to make it home, you know it’s true”
IRL he’s Odysseus’s brother in law and certainly in universe an old friend (was there for the boar)
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Oohh boy. Please keep it civil in here guys. We all have a lot of heated feelings about Calypso im sure.
I feel like it’s honestly so extra 😭😭 Like Calypso herself is cursed to love anyone who comes to the island. It’s not out of evil intent. I don’t even think Jorge really intended for her to be a villain at all. Or else he wouldn’t have made I’m Not Sorry For Loving You.
@jyanik8212 well the curse of Calypso falling in love with anyone is a PJ thing only so I don't think it applies here in Epic. There is a lot of conflicting info about Calypso from what I've seen, and it stems from a lot of people not realizing that they can acknowledge what happened in the orginal and still respect Jorge's retelling
@@astellis11the cursed to fall in love was definitely Riordan’s spin… but my understanding of at least Homer’s version was she was exiled to live in alone on her island.
The question is how well immortal psychology would acclimate to living in isolation for centuries relative to how humans mentally degrade even after years in solitary.
We really can’t know. Either way, it doesn’t excuse her actions, but it does garner some sympathy from the average person for her predicament, especially not knowing with certainty how we would handle the same situation. We all want to think we would do better but we can’t even understand the lived experience of immortality. Maybe mortality is what makes us more generally predisposed to ethical choices. 🤷🏻♀️
I keep seeing people say Calypso is "controversial", but has anyone seen people defending her? It seems like everyone knows what she's doing is wrong, there's just a question about how responsible for her own actions she is due to conflicting mythologies.
@@Frostbite08 it's not necessarily people defending her so much as not condemning her a mindless monster who's purposely keeping Ody away from home.
the argument isn't about, "is Calyspo blatantly bad stuff", it's about, "is Calypso, at her core, a cruel person?" that's where the debate comes from. is she cruel for constantly lusting after Odysseus, or is she naive and misguided due to her lack of companionship?
Time for emotions. This song…
Ten years. It’s been ten years since their fight, all the while Odysseus has been trying to get home. Finally, on the precipice of despair, one step from ending his pain, Odysseus cries out. His first plea for help in this entire series, and it’s to someone he had experienced a massive falling out with in _hopes_ she will save him.
That scene broke me in so many ways
Beautifully put. I shared the experience.
The last part broke me. Odysseus' will to live is absolutely gone, and in a last attempt to save himself he calls out to the only friend who's still alive, even though they didn't part on the best of terms, so he doesn't even know if she will listen to his plea 😭
That's honestly why I well up everytime I hear Odysseus shouting Athena's name at the end
Every time Odysseus starts crying out, the tears start flowing on my end. You can just feel the pain - and then the call for Athena adds even more. He doesn't even know if she's out there, he doesn't know if she'd listen to him... but he calls for her anyway, because she's the only one he _can_ call on.
Yay! Trauma in Paradise and my favourite song (so far) from Epic :D
I always get teary-eyed whenever I hear that last cry of pain from Ody. I just wanna give him a huge hug.
I like how you try to see it from Calypso's perspective too. Not a lot of people do that and I find it really deepens the storyline. Really enjoyed the reaction!
I agree..she doesn't understand she's overcome by the emotions of finally having someone else with her
@@Michaellearnsart especially when you take into consideration she had been wishing for someone, anyone to appear
@@Michaellearnsart Yes! The happiness she feels from Odysseus' presence is a counter for loneliness and is not necessarily love in a romantic sense, but she doesn't know what love is, so this happy feeling is interpreted as love. She sees companionship as love.
100 years alone. I’d most likely be latching onto to the first person I’ve seen in 100 years the same way. Plus have to remember Calypso from epic and Calypso from original story are different people
Especially during this animatic. Idk why this animator chose to explicitly show Calypso assaulting Odysseus when Jorge has stated multiple times that Calypso doesn't do that in EPIC
This song is one of my favorites. The emotion in Jorge's voice at the end always gets me.
Always good seeing people who don't know the story interact with the musical, especially jen
And yeah you did hit the nail on the head with Calypso being the only person there, as to why you can see that in not sorry for loving you
"All I hear are screams" is the same Ody said in the Underworld...
Ekhm...
"I see you on the brink of death"
that part of the prophecy correlates to vengeance saga no? Won't add spoilers but I'm sure it comes to that point with him "drawing his final breath".
@@quilava7 Could be both honestly
Spoilers (kinda?)
Why is it a problem for people to not like Calypso here? Is she as bad as her book equivalent? God no. But she still holds someone against their will, basically mocks them with the fact that they can6di anything about it, while she doesn't physically harrass them she does absolutely verbally (telling someone you and them are gonna be together after they've repeatedly told you to stop is harassment), and her apology? Yeah, no, for the people saying that Odysseus didn't apologize to Poseidon right (he didn't), Calypso’s is worse. No one needs to go to the source material to not like her imo and clearly this isn't a unanimous thing, since Circe is wildly loved here and Epic and she does a similar thing in the Odyssey. Case in Point: I love Circe here, not in the Odyssey but I don't like Calyso in either (except her voice, gorgeous vocals, Jorge always chooses the best)
I agree with you -- the issue I have is when people shut down others for feeling any sympathy for Calypso. Imo, you can feel sympathy for a person while still acknowledging what they've done is abhorrent and inexcusable.
(Spoilers for the Vengeance Saga)
I'm Not Sorry for Loving You is a heartbreaking song and I feel terrible for Calypso's situation; it's also a bad apology. I personally read Epic's Calypso as not being intentionally malicious, she earnestly believes she loves Odysseus. At the same time, her words come across as manipulative (putting the onus on Odysseus for not loving her). I read this more as an unconcious, warped reasoning rather than something actually sinister.
TLDR: What Calypso did is categorically wrong, AND I find her character nuanced and sympathetic. Both are true.
@@StrudelHalfBaked Oh absolutely, I think she has no malicious intent in her bones on epic, she clearly truly loves him. On the flip side, part of loving someone is knowing when to let them go, which she ultimately never learns and doesn't fully see what's wrong with her actions. I'll never fault someone for feeling sympathetic for her, but I don't like how so many people think that others aren't allowed to dislike her. I think sympathetic characters can still be dislikable whether you sympathize with them or not, yk?
@@StrudelHalfBakedshe doesnt have malicious intent because she shes not human, she doesnt see what she is doing is wrong and it is wrong, Not sorry for loving you was extremely triggering when i heard it for the first time, as someone that was in an abusive situation for 6 years the stuff she was saying was words i heard over and over again in attempts to guilt trip and gaslight and manipulate me for feeling bad for even thinking of leaving, it felt like she was saying it was his fault for her loving him and its his fault for this situation and that hes the bad guy for making her feel this way and that how could such and innocent love not be enough for him, that plus knowing what she did to him every night for seven years I couldnt forgive her
@@evelynolea4433 I do agree with most of what you said but i do want to point out that "what she did to him every night for seven years" probably only happened in the Odessy, not in Epic. Epic is not a 1 to 1 replica, it has many changes from the original story. I do not belive Jorge kept that part of the story for Epic, especialy since it's never stated she did that to him. We shouldn't assume something is canon to Epic unless it's a part of the songs or said by Jorge himself. It's only stated she want's to sleep with him, not that she actualy did. Ofcourse she is still Toxic AF, but not as bad as in the original story.
I hope she does Neal Illustrator for God Games! His animatic is truly one of the most dynamic and engaging
same!! just so you know, Neal Illustrator is a girl, her name is Leann
Hmm, I dunno... It diverges the most from the canon with the ending, and although I do love it (it's probably my favourite), it is kind of a bad idea for first watch
@@ShabnaFarooque I agree with you 1000% AnniFlamma is probably a better animatic canonically.
Waitinggggggg when this video premieres ill be waitingggggggggg
😂😂😂😂
"Hi girl, thanks for looking after Odysseus, now send him back to Penelope"
Famous last words before disaster.
Something that breaks my heart so much in the last part of this song, is that, we see an Odysseus totally different from the one presented to us.
He has always known how to keep things in control, be at bay, have solutions efficiently and quickly, face everything with determination, etc. However, we see his most vulnerable side possible, one that is desperate to such an extent, from what I interpret, as if he comes to pray to heaven as long as they save him from his misery💔
When ody and calypso were at the cliff area, you hear calypso saying “open arms” which basically means poilites! But she also said the words “ody” (from mutiny, said by eurylochus) and “i’ll stay inside ur heart” (from the underworld, by his mom) which is why they showed up!
If you haven't yet decided on which animatic you'll use for your "God Games" reaction I highly recommend the one "Neal Illustrator" made! It's one of my favorite interpretations so far.
I love that one too however, she already made the video on patreon, and AnniFlama is more canonically correct, Athena dies.
i love how Jorge who play Odysseus got his mom to sing as Odysseus mom
If you haven't already recorded your Vengeance saga reactions, I totally recommend "Dangerous" from Orange! It's my favorite Epic animatic. Love your reactions, Jen!
Oh boy, she's going to love the Vengeance Saga. Very much excited to see her reactions in all of those songs.
God Games promisses a lot too!
The artists that make every animatic are extremely talented and i love seeingt the various styles. That being said though, I will say this particular animatic doesnt fit the portrayal of Calypso for Epic the musical.
Its important to remember that though the musical is based off The Odyssey. There are a lot of creative liberties that purposely tell the story differently.
This particular animaric is more catered to the darker side of the actual Odyssey story
Yes, that's the trap people fall into when it comes to Calypso. They tend to focus on the tragedy of the orginal, which in my opinion downplays the story Jorge is trying to tell
I actually disagree with this, I don’t believe Jorge has ever said that Calypso did not do the things this animatic shows, if he did then I apologize for being uninformed, but while Calypso in Epic is wildly more sympathetic and understandable she still does awful and horrific things to Odysseus. Both can be true at once, and I believe that erasing a characters terrible actions because they are sympathetic does a disservice to the storytelling. Calypso is an incredibly complicated and layered character, and it absolutely makes sense to feel sympathetic to her situation, but at the end of the day she still very clearly forces herself on Odysseus and pays no attention to his feelings. I’d say this animatic does a pretty good job of showing that while also making it clear that she genuinely cares about him in her own slightly twisted way.
THERE WAS A PENELOPE MOTIF RIGHT AFTER POLITES FLASHBACK AND I DIDNT REALIZE THAT FOR A LONG TIME (I REALIZED IT BECAUSE OF MY SIS A FEW WEEKS AGO)
16:04 yeah she is cursed to never leave by Zeus because of i believe her father and oddy is the only person that has entered the prison because that's what the island is. a really big and beautiful jail cell.
One of my favorite songs in the musical, with the next one being an even more favorite one.
When you react to God Games you’ve gotta watch Neal Illustrators version. The designs of the gods are all amazing, she actually made them feel larger than life and godly and match their voices really well (something I think you missed out with Thunder Bringer. No hate to the animator you reacted to for Thunder Bringer but I just don’t think their design really matched the vibe of Zeus or the voice actors voice), she made the Olympians actually feel like an immortal family, and the way she did the ending like changed the way I saw the song/story. It’s heartbreaking in a good way lmao, highly recommend
Also. Zues never said he'd see his family or Ithaca. Just that he'd get to live, just so happens he put him on an island that is Calypso's prison. Lol
So, as people have already said, Calypso said some stuff in her attempt to get Ody away from the ledge of the cliff that ultimately ended up making his breakdown worse.
I see a lot of people say she did that on purpose though, which I think is pretty stupid take, ngl. Odysseus himself says she has no idea what he's been through. So that means that all throughout those 7 years he's been on the island he's never told her of his travels and tribulations. All she has to go on are the things he says in his sleep. The first of which, mind you, had to do with his wife whom he loves, cherishes, and clearly uses as a source of inner strength. So obviously, she's going to assume the others are similar. Funnily enough, at literally any other point in his journey she'd probably be right.
Point is, I see a lot of people just assuming she's more malicious than she actually is.
She is doing something bad, but she's doing bad things like a kid does. She's too naive and inexperienced to really understand that what she's doing is wrong, or at least the depths to which it's wrong. And that's all not even considering what her own psychological state is like after being more or less trapped on an island for centuries at the very least. Whether she stays willingly or not kinda changes depending on what versions of the story you read, but regardless, Jorge has long since proven that his renditions of the gods are more human character-wise than their original selves. So it wouldn't be outlandish for her to have suffered some of the same effects as most humans do in extended periods of isolation and solitary.
She word for word quotes three unrelated phrases from different loved ones of Ody's. Maybe an argument can be made that she wasn't malicious, but she definitely can't be compared to the naivety of a kid. She is a god who's like several times older than Ody. My personal canon is that she heard him talk in his sleep and then tried to use what she heard to manipulate him off the edge. She wasn't trying to hurt him, but she WAS trying to control him.
@drakemckisson2428 ... Yes...? What's your point? That's naturally what you're doing when trying to talk someone down from suicide. Also, I said she had the naivety of a kid, not that she's stupid. Kids know how to get what they want. A lot of them are really good at pattern recognition because they're still learning. So since Ody presented the pattern of talking in his sleep about his loved ones then obviously she's gonna make the assumption that those are all happy memories. She's been locked away on an island paradise her whole life dreaming of having people she can love like he does, so obviously she's not gonna think there's any negative feelings that could be tied to them. Like I said, she has the naivety of a child, and most children can't fathom the idea of love hurting or not loving family and what not. So she hears him say these lines and these phrases and they're supposedly attached to those he loves, and here he is at his lowest point contemplating suicide, so of course shed fall back on that pattern. Remind him of his loved ones and hope it's enough to ground him. And I mean... Shit, it works. Can't much argue with results even if they were gotten in accidentally painful ways.
My favorite song! Little wolf in paradise!
Finally someone with sense wondering about Calypso! 💕 loved the reaction Jen!
I cannot wait for your reaction to the next song of the set!
11:22 same thing you can see in suffering between odysseus and sirenope!!! And theres a lot of that in the song
I cannot wait for God Games. Very much looking forward to it.
Clypso has been alone for a LOOOOONG time, the most telling line is Last i checked goddesses cant die, shes the only one there sooo yeah
Another one is:
“No one can come or go. My island stays unknown.”
A goddess that chooses to stay on an island alone, yet is completely social enough to kindly welcome a stranger rather than coldly trying to turn them away from her lonely island? A lot take Calypso at face value without questioning just what she says in her song and how reliable as a source. Granted, she is the only source, but picking apart discrepancies in her personality versus her story very easily tells a deeper story of she is not in her right mind and is desperate for any sort of company to keep.
@@fishnewt1331 in relation to how she responded. Welcoming a stranger whom she fell in love with. And believed would be her salvation. Yea she was pretty welcoming
@@fishnewt1331she was banished to that island for taking the side of the Titans.
I’m so exited to see you react to god games! It was the first full song I had ever heard from this. I was shocked at the quality, but didn’t know where it came from. Then I found the rest. It’s amazing, and will always be my first favorite.
IT'S ALMOST TIIIIIIIMMMME
Out of all the Love In Paradise animatics, this one is an.... interesting choice! It's not bad, and maybe im a little biased because im not particularly fond of the art style, but Ximena's and Mikuchi's (I'm so sorry if I spelled that wrong) are better at capturing everything, especially Calypso's playful, yet controlling nature, and Odysseus' emotions/reactions to everything, and just the overall vibe Jorge was going for with this song, in my opinion.
Regardless, I look forward to this reaction 😊
Actually brittpow does a fantastic animation for "not sorry for loving you" that one is my favorite
Your questions for calypso will be answered in te vengeance saga
Long story short for Calypso’s story. She is a daughter of a Titan and sided with them during the war of Titans vs Olympians. When the Titans lost the Olympians banished her to her island all alone. So basically she is desperate for companionship. In the Odyssey she offers Odysseus immortality if he marries her. Also the line “last I checked Goddesses can’t die”, I’ve seen other channels that know her story speculate that Jorge put that line in to maybe suggest that she tried taking her life at one point. Long story short Calypso formed a toxic trait to try and trap men on her island so she won’t be alone anymore.
Calypso actually says a line from polites, odys mum and eurylocus, she calls him ody like eurylocus, says the open arms for polites and says he’ll stay inside his heart which is what the mum says in the underworld
Oh please (!) watch Neal Illustrator’s God Games (yes, ive said this before ik) It really is THAT good!
I honestly love Calypso. She's incredibly manipulative out of a desperate loneliness, saying anything she knows will tug at Ody's heart in attempts to pull him back to her, to make him stay. On some level she knows she's wrong, too.
For God Games you can watch Neal Illustrator or TheeArteest
A reunion lol, if only it was that simple
Calypso name means "the one that hides"
Girl you’re stronger than me 😭 I heard this song for the first time and burst into tears when I got hit with Polites, Eurylochus, and his mom overlapping at the end
Lol same
Calypso is the daughter of Atlas (some accounts say Oceanus and Tethys), her name means 'She Who Conseals'. In Homer's Odyssey, Odysseus remains faithful for the seven years, other Greek poets claim that Odyssey has one to three kids with her before leaving.
Remember in Greek Mythology, nothing is canon, and everything is fan-fiction
Best love in paradise animatic fr!
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Calypso was banished to that island centuries ago for her father's role in the titanomachy (when the titans who existed first fought the newer Olympian gods, her father is a titan) and yes, Odysseus is literally the first other person she's seen in literal centuries and more than likely the first human. I think an important thing is here is that she's never escaped. She isn't holding Odysseus captive, they're just both prisoners sharing the same prison cell. It's gonna be stated explicitly in the next song but yeah, someone else is imprisoning both.
Just because I haven’t seen anyone say anything about but in one Greek Myth Penelope yes Odysseus’ wife while he is gone (I think, as far as I know it never specifies) is the mother of Pan who is one of Hermes’ kids and I believe the father of satyrs and where we get the word panic from
siempre agradecido de poder ver estos videos son increibles
great video and commentary
Hoping for Neal Illustrator’s God Games
Fun facts :D
Calypso is actually cursed to live in total isolation on her island by the gods because she both supported and is the child of the Titans (parents: Oceanus and Tethys).
When you get to the next saga you should watch BrittPowwPixel animatic for Not Sorry for loving you
I just realized you could change very little of the Just a Man chorus to make it make sense with “I’m not your man”
I’m not your man, I’m trying to go home,
Even after all the years away from what I’ve known!
I’m not your man, I’m fighting for my life,
Deep down I would trade world to see my son and wife!
I’m not your man
Thx for the reaction
Fun fact: on all those songs Athena goes through, you can hear her piano them.
Time to add one more song to Jen's cry count lol
To be honest I prefer a different animatic since this one doesn’t show much emotion but I’m glad you finally made it to the end of the Wisdom Saga
Calypso was banished to that island to be forever alone because her Father Atlas sided against Zeus during the War, so Calypso seeing this guy showing up out of nowhere really is like Olympus throwing her a bone. Also, a lot of people draw attention to her remarks of "Nobody comes or goes." and "Last I cheep goddesses can't die" to say that out of loneliness she attempted to test that preconception herself. I don't know how I personally feel on the idea, but it definitely makes the situation for her much sadder.
Calypso was in fact always alone on this isle, and knew no one, except Hermes who would come to mock or prank her cause she could not leave her isle and it's Hermes of course he would do that. (if my memory is right).
If I'm wrong people can correct me with good manner of course.
So a little background on Calypso (and apologies bc this is kinda long, and also TW for mentions of SA): She is a minor goddess, and the daughter of the Titan General Atlas, who was cursed to hold up the world following the Titans' defeat in the war with the gods. Calypso sided with her father in the war (she was very young at the time) and as a punishment she was banished to Ogygia (her island) which is enchanted so that no one can find it. But every so often someone will wash ashore-Odysseus is one of, if not the very first one to do so-and she is cursed by Zeus to fall in love with them instantly, but they will never return her feelings. So she's been all alone for hundreds of years, and now is instantly in love with the first guy she's ever really met. And while her tragic backstory does deserve sympathy and makes her actions understandable, she still chose to use her magic to keep him trapped for seven years, and in the Odyssey also uses her magic to force him into bed with her at night. Jorge intentionally left that part kind of ambiguous in Epic, so it's up for interpretation, but in the original work it speaks of them going to bed at night, and I believe the exact wording is something like "one unwilling, one all too willing." So, a very complex character and complicated situation for sure. I'm so glad to see you examine things from both perspectives here.
On a lighter note, Barbra Wangui's vocals for Calypso give me life and she deserves all the praise for her performance!
My toxic trait is I would’ve given up and folded. I know live on an island and fear the water.
You’ll find out calypso backstory in the vengeance saga
For God games I would like to suggest Neal illustrator’s version
Please watch Jorge’s stream of God games! It shows animations by artists he handpicked and it’s so good! 💕
Idk If anyone told you this yet, but Odysseus mom's is sang by Jorge's mom, what makes the whole thing just more sad 😭
Zeus never said Ody would make it back to his family. All he ever said was they needed to be punished and Ody had the choice between himself or his crew being killed then and there. Ody made his decision because the only way he had a chance to get home and see his family is if he stayed alive, but its not a guarantee that it will happen
I hope you react to Neal’s version of God Games.
I am SOOOOOO excited for God Games omg
He calls for Elpenor in the end
Not really but you can choose what to hear xd
I thought that she was going to keep up with duvetbox animation :(
The most upbeat, playful and fun (on a rewatch) song in the Thunder Saga? Why Suffering of course
The most depressing, emotions inducing, hard-to-listen-to-at-times song in the Wisdom saga? Why Love in Paradise of course
What's more, given the themes the titles almost could have just been reversed. 'Penelope' is promising Love in Paradise and this song is all about recapping Ody's Suffering
This song is and your reaction is amazing ❤❤❤❤.
Btw can you react to Melanie Martinez
Technically Zeus said you won’t die when he made Odysseus choose and he held up that end of the bargain Odysseus didn’t die
Youll love god games im sure, just need to find an animatic where there are all the levels
I CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO LISTEN TO GOD GAMES AND VENGEANCE SAGA
RAHHHHHHHHHHHH👹👹
I really wish she watched the Gigi one!!!
Odysseus the wife guy stays winning.
Hope you check out neal illustrator's god games for the next one (*^^*)
Odysseus has been trapped, told he'll never get back to his wife - which is the entire reason he sacrificed all of his friends for - while being raped for the past seven years. I'd say the man has some legitimate reasons to be contemplating ending it all. This is probably the darkest the musical really gets.
The animatic is my second favorite one, but my first is: ruclips.net/video/Z-BmDEx5rNU/видео.html&pp=ygUZbG92ZSBpbiBwYXJhZGlzZSBhbmltYXRpYw%3D%3D for anyone that wants it, the art is genuinely so good and leans more into how they'd appear in Homer's Odyssey
Jorge’s Calypso feels more… innocent isn’t the right word. But is definitely a more caring character. Homer’s Calypso was awful, even if you consider her curse to fall for whomever.
So despite the horribly upsetting multi layer toxic manipulation from our girl Calypso there is yet another layer of tragedy. Calypso is also cursed to fall in love with whoever washes up on her shore by the very gods that banished her to the island. So while her actions are indefensible she is just as much a prisoner of circumstance as Odysseus. Also to answer your question, no, there is literally no one else on the island besides the two of them.
Honestly if I washed up on calypso or Circe island.....I'm cooked
Alright guys, how many tissue boxes?😔
PLEASE REACT...pearl jam jeremy mtv unplugged 👍👍
please react to song FOREVER MORE from Cakra khan . he will give u full of love-
Screw “Sorry I have a girlfriend” get you some HNICKYWYSINPIMM
Tell me you watched neil's animatic for god games please
Zeus impriosned calypso on the island by herself eternally for siding with her father atlas during the titan wars. She's SUPER LONELY. She's been there 100's of years by herself
God games time
Fun fact/theory: you don't hear Penelope along. Poletis. The mom and the crew. Because odyseus is forgetting how his wife sound and look like. 16:29
i always assumed it was because he was feeling guilt about the people who died specifically, and feeling and thinking of rejoining them
he’s at his darkest moment mentally, so maybe he can’t bear to hope for his wife who still lives
@jacobcollins7661 that as well but by all voices, Penelope is nowhere to be heard. which makes it also very very sad
@ for sure, it’s a super somber detail!
I think you should watch Anniflamma's God Games next.
Who wants Jen to react to Ximena Natzel's Love in Paradise instead
I’d be down for hers, Mikuchis’ or DuvetBox’s, but I don’t think they were out when she recorded this. I love how Mik animated theirs, and Duvet just keeps popping off.
@@icemagicianghduvet box has been my absolute favorite ever since different beast
Jesus loves you and died on the cross to save you from your sins and rose three days later so that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life
15:53 ....ummmm