Awesome! I did this very thing on Plan B! It's interesting how actually clipping the vocal and making copies has a more emphatic effect than simply adding delay.
Great stuff Bobby! I was writing and recording in a vacuum during the pandemic and it showed in my arrangements and particularly my drum programming. Once I started collaborating with a good drummer who showed me the possibilities, it improved my ability to program a forward moving, more interesting drum part and I'm constantly hearing new possibilities, even in other instruments. This goes hand in hand with your previous video discussing how adding new elements every so often keeps the listener engaged.,
You are a like a cool sweet uncle and a mighty sage and have hands down the best channel on RUclips. A million times thank you for these awesome videos.
Ooo Bobby great video. I heard in my head the exact effect i myself would have used for the gap before the chorus vocals... use the repeat effect of the vocal snip you used, but start it full wide spread with a shit ton of verb, then pan it quickly into the center and automate the reverb down to a dry signal... it will sound like her voice is being sucked into a vacuum and the listener's attention will be dragged to the center where she hits them with the chorus hook, square in the face. ;) That's what i would have done Bobby! I use this technique a lot for a wide variety of instruments/parts.
Hey Doc,,, I love you're diving into Mutt's magic !!! I'm a PLAPLifer' lol,,, always ask for Mutt's interview lol. I'm fascinated of his productions. Didn't know Mutt was private about his techniques used. I understand. I sure hope he's seeing an awesome sunshiny day and music still makes his day.
I love the way you focus on creativity and imagination. Using mutes and silences are incredibly simple, but powerful tools. A few of us were just discussing this very concept recently, and how to apply it to mixes. I find the most powerful moments are created when, once I've tried it, I just can't "un-hear" it. Usually, I find if I feel that way about it, the client will also be unable to "un-hear" it, and they'll love it even more for what it adds to the mix.
I was tracking with your mindset as soon as you pointed out the long space between the last verse line going into the chorus. I've used this trick before -- love it. Great stuff Bobby!
Great video! I think the underlying idea that composers need to understand to come up with these kinds of moments is that the human brain loves contrast. So, you'll want to put as much contrasting moments in a song as possible. Adding or subtracting elements is a great way to refresh the listener's ears. (One little piece of criticism: I would've repeated the phrase three times, not four... then let the third repeat finish naturally like in the original recording, or add a slight variation (maybe from another take) instead of cutting it off for a fourth repeat. (You can repeat a musical phrase two times, but the third time you have to give it a twist or the listener will lose interest. Mozart already knew this and George Martin the late producer of the Beatles has spoken about this principle in interviews.)
Clearly, once you've gone so far in your song, the only way to make something bigger is to make the preceding part smaller, like DJs do in the typical buildups. Those seconds leading into the chorus sounded empty to me, I actually thought you would remove them completely! Great video as usual!
I literally think this is the most important trait to develop as a producer. No click bait. There’s no substitute for hearing something that’s not there and making it happen.
Hi Bobby As usual a great video from you. Really forward to your next content. What did you for the Reverb? I Really like the way it comes up just a bit after the initial vocal. Greetings Alex
Hi Bobby, I just subscribed, Great stuff so far! I do this a lot. I usually add reverse cymbal and then an impact effect accordingly. I draw the vocal delay in but I always alternate each vocal delay hard left then hard right as they fade. Is that too much for a song like this IYO? Thanks and keep up the great work!
Well… production secrets, magic, and mysterious forces are really great “tools” for achieving your goals... But we have to understand, guys like Mr Mutt and M Martin are workaholics, and spending endless hours and days in the studio to get it right. Testing gears for days before making a decision. I don’t think younger people today understand how much it takes to be successful, no matter genre. Great channel, and yes, that song needs lots of help..
I worked with Dave Goodman, the Pistols live engineer and producer of much of the Swindle album as well as other versions of their songs and the Spunk lp. He had loads of ideas and his production techniques were much deeper than you’d expect listening to their output. Some of this is serving the song and the Pistols were raging against the overproduced prog rock sound but also, Dave had learnt a lot of tricks over the years and had great stories to tell too. RIP.
Great work. Only thing that i hear that is insanely annoying has nothing to do with the music, mixing or production. It’s the awful stylistic choices singers make on their annunciation. The last few lines she sings before the break Bobby added are the pop equivalent of country’s fake twang. Killer vocal, ruined by singing in a false way.
Number one producing trick must be to produce/arrange your song to not have spaces like this so the mixer can throw in a lame echo effect, also known as throw delay.
@@BobbyHuff Of course they do:D I´m just 100% fed up on throw delays. Over used "trick" so if you look at it that way, it is the number one trick, just not in a good way. I had too browse through some Mutt tracks and I did find some throws but they were there for a purpose, not as in most music today... there to fill every gap you could put them in.
@@mange586 I hear u but I used it in one gap not all the gaps in this song. I respect that you aren’t a fan of delay but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad technique and shouldn’t be discussed . I don’t like Guns and Roses but that doesn’t make them a bad band that shouldn’t be played…
Awesome! I did this very thing on Plan B! It's interesting how actually clipping the vocal and making copies has a more emphatic effect than simply adding delay.
Great stuff Bobby! I was writing and recording in a vacuum during the pandemic and it showed in my arrangements and particularly my drum programming. Once I started collaborating with a good drummer who showed me the possibilities, it improved my ability to program a forward moving, more interesting drum part and I'm constantly hearing new possibilities, even in other instruments. This goes hand in hand with your previous video discussing how adding new elements every so often keeps the listener engaged.,
Incredible! You are an absolute gem on RUclips and I continue to learn a lot from you. Thank you for continuing to provide great content Bobby!
Thank You Steve!
You are a like a cool sweet uncle and a mighty sage and have hands down the best channel on RUclips. A million times thank you for these awesome videos.
Thanks so much Sam!
Love this. Very important info.
Love those moments. That's always the fun part. (When they go well)
Haha! Agreed!
Ooo Bobby great video. I heard in my head the exact effect i myself would have used for the gap before the chorus vocals... use the repeat effect of the vocal snip you used, but start it full wide spread with a shit ton of verb, then pan it quickly into the center and automate the reverb down to a dry signal... it will sound like her voice is being sucked into a vacuum and the listener's attention will be dragged to the center where she hits them with the chorus hook, square in the face. ;)
That's what i would have done Bobby! I use this technique a lot for a wide variety of instruments/parts.
Brilliant idea and mindset! Maybe some movement in the panning of the echoed vocal line would help too?
Very unique video bro!
This one definitely landed in my Top 3 Dr Bob! I particularly loved the small keyboard bit through the break.....
Thanks Michael!
@@BobbyHuff I am an admitted Mutt addict and tickled pink with your peeks behind the curtain! So THANK YOU!
@@michaelparson-mcnamara782 haha! I feel ya man! Thanks for the kindness!
I never come to this channel and not learn something very cool. Even if what I learn is that my idea was right! Thanks, Doc🤘
Great! Thanks for watching!
Hey Doc,,, I love you're diving into Mutt's magic !!! I'm a PLAPLifer' lol,,, always ask for Mutt's interview lol. I'm fascinated of his productions. Didn't know Mutt was private about his techniques used. I understand. I sure hope he's seeing an awesome sunshiny day and music still makes his day.
Thanks Rocker. I hear he is still making a tiny bit of music but pretty much retired. He deserves quite a retirement party!!!!!!
@@BobbyHuff ... Ha,, awesome !!! And yes he does... Ooo,,, now that would be fun :D
Bobby - dude, if there's not already a book titled "How To Think Like a Producer", you should write it.
Haha! Thanks Jon.
@@BobbyHuff Seriously.
Good stuff Bob! This idea is my favorite part of production and mixing. Love how you articulate your ideas, very easy to watch and understand!
Thanks Tex!
THIS is why I watch your vids! right on and THANK YOU for doing these.
Thanks for watching!
I love the way you focus on creativity and imagination. Using mutes and silences are incredibly simple, but powerful tools. A few of us were just discussing this very concept recently, and how to apply it to mixes. I find the most powerful moments are created when, once I've tried it, I just can't "un-hear" it. Usually, I find if I feel that way about it, the client will also be unable to "un-hear" it, and they'll love it even more for what it adds to the mix.
Thanks! Agreed!
Excellent!! Thank you so very much!
Thanks Michael!
I was tracking with your mindset as soon as you pointed out the long space between the last verse line going into the chorus. I've used this trick before -- love it. Great stuff Bobby!
Great Billy!!
That new cut is tight, yo!
Thanks!
@@BobbyHuff Didn't mean to detract from the tip, because it's a GREAT one, but man, that lid is one to aspire to!! =8D Merry Christmas, Bobby!!
Awesome, always.
Thanks man!
Nice one! Thanks Bobby✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻
Thanks Ryan!
Yeee buddy. Please more Max Martin technique videos - 90s & 00s era
U got it!
Always the BEST advice!!! Thank You!!!
Thanks Diamond!
Calm before the storm. Nice!
Exactly!
That definitely made the song more interesting thanks for the great idea
Thanks Ryan.
Sounds fantastic! Spot on buddy
Thanks Bryan!
I would've added some nice, clean guitar arpagio, maybe with a shimmer of chorus underneath the delayed vocals.
Great tips in this one dude! Master at these kinds of tips. Cheers bro.
Thanks Steve!
Great video! I think the underlying idea that composers need to understand to come up with these kinds of moments is that the human brain loves contrast. So, you'll want to put as much contrasting moments in a song as possible. Adding or subtracting elements is a great way to refresh the listener's ears. (One little piece of criticism: I would've repeated the phrase three times, not four... then let the third repeat finish naturally like in the original recording, or add a slight variation (maybe from another take) instead of cutting it off for a fourth repeat. (You can repeat a musical phrase two times, but the third time you have to give it a twist or the listener will lose interest. Mozart already knew this and George Martin the late producer of the Beatles has spoken about this principle in interviews.)
Thanks for wacthing and your comments!
Great tips. Thank you
Thanks!
thanks dr. bob!!!😃😃
Thanks man!
Clearly, once you've gone so far in your song, the only way to make something bigger is to make the preceding part smaller, like DJs do in the typical buildups.
Those seconds leading into the chorus sounded empty to me, I actually thought you would remove them completely!
Great video as usual!
Thanks man!
You make making it look easy look easy. 🤠
Hahahaha
Thank you for all the great content. This is a really cool studio trick.
Thanks for watching!
Great Tip as usual very helpful
Thanks man!
Splendid idea!!!
But the cool chord change two beats before the chorus is gone. I felt.that alone had an impact.
Great drop
Thanks Todd!
Nice video as always Bob!
Thanks Jav!
I heard the space immediately:)
Do you mix hiphop vocals
Yes!
What do you charge for a mix ?
@@Lamiere hey Lamiere! Email me at dr.bobmusicsurgery@gmail.com.
Thanks!
Always Great!
Thanks man!
So cool! Before you even copied the vocal I thought about using a delay and muting stuff underneath that part 😀
We think alike Henry!
@@BobbyHuff For some reason my answer was here twice. On my iPad I didn´t see ym first answer. Sorry.
Another great tip; even if the titles are getting a bit "click-baity". 😆
I literally think this is the most important trait to develop as a producer. No click bait. There’s no substitute for hearing something that’s not there and making it happen.
Is that Jeff Porcaro on your desktop?
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!! Good eye!!!!!!!!!!!
i love valhalla plate
Me too!
Hi Bobby
As usual a great video from you. Really forward to your next content. What did you for the Reverb? I Really like the way it comes up just a bit after the initial vocal.
Greetings
Alex
Thanks Alex. I believe that was the Blackhole reverb by Eventide.
@@BobbyHuff thank you so much. Humbling to see that your in production reverb sounds better than my finished mix reverb 😁
number one ? I thought it was the number 4 secret production technique !
Lol,...maybe #3?
Hi Bobby, I just subscribed, Great stuff so far! I do this a lot. I usually add reverse cymbal and then an impact effect accordingly. I draw the vocal delay in but I always alternate each vocal delay hard left then hard right as they fade. Is that too much for a song like this IYO? Thanks and keep up the great work!
Not too much at all. Great ideas!
Well… production secrets, magic, and mysterious forces are really great “tools” for achieving your goals... But we have to understand, guys like Mr Mutt and M Martin are workaholics, and spending endless hours and days in the studio to get it right. Testing gears for days before making a decision. I don’t think younger people today understand how much it takes to be successful, no matter genre.
Great channel, and yes, that song needs lots of help..
Thanks Peter! Nothing comes quick that is great unless you get super lucky which doesnt happen often!
Wow ,, that's cool..
Thanks Robert!
needs more cowbell🤣🤣🤣🤣🙋♂️
Hahahaha
lmao have a good christmas bobby 🎄
Yeah to me that's the fun stuff to do... get lost in time ,testing things out............ 100%
agreed!!
I wonder if the sex pistols thought about stuff like this
I worked with Dave Goodman, the Pistols live engineer and producer of much of the Swindle album as well as other versions of their songs and the Spunk lp. He had loads of ideas and his production techniques were much deeper than you’d expect listening to their output. Some of this is serving the song and the Pistols were raging against the overproduced prog rock sound but also, Dave had learnt a lot of tricks over the years and had great stories to tell too. RIP.
Hahahaha!!!
Great work. Only thing that i hear that is insanely annoying has nothing to do with the music, mixing or production. It’s the awful stylistic choices singers make on their annunciation. The last few lines she sings before the break Bobby added are the pop equivalent of country’s fake twang. Killer vocal, ruined by singing in a false way.
Number one producing trick must be to produce/arrange your song to not have spaces like this so the mixer can throw in a lame echo effect, also known as throw delay.
So your songs have no space…??
@@BobbyHuff Of course they do:D I´m just 100% fed up on throw delays. Over used "trick" so if you look at it that way, it is the number one trick, just not in a good way.
I had too browse through some Mutt tracks and I did find some throws but they were there for a purpose, not as in most music today... there to fill every gap you could put them in.
@@mange586 I hear u but I used it in one gap not all the gaps in this song. I respect that you aren’t a fan of delay but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad technique and shouldn’t be discussed . I don’t like Guns and Roses but that doesn’t make them a bad band that shouldn’t be played…