Hi, love all these videos! What do you think of leaving a gap between the insulation and the wall? Does it have any additional absorption effect or will soundwaves just go through and hit the wall and go through slightly more insulation on the way back anyway, with this kind of solution. I feel like soundwaves through more insulation is better than soundwaves "hitting" air behind the trap, then the wall, and then the air and insulation again. What do you think? What is the correct science?
Thanks for watching! Leaving the air gap generally helps panels/traps be more effective at lower frequencies. There are instances depending on what type of treatment is being built where you would just fill all the way with as much insulation as you can. Both ways can be correct just depends on the context. I appreciate the super thanks and your viewership!
Exactly what I needed. I appreciate the inspiration. From contractor to contractor… If this isn’t your house, you really need to hook up a shop vac to that miter saw, and at least throw some cardboard down so you’re not using a finished floor as your work bench. If I walked in and saw you doing this in a finished room with dust sensitive instruments nearby, I would send you home.
Screwing directly into the drywall? Is there sheathing behind it or something for it to actually stick to? Seems like it would rip right out with any kind of bump into it, no?
Hi Daniel, thanks for this video, gave me some inspiration on bass traps for my home studio. Id love your opinion on one detail please. Ive pretty much copied your design, cut out triangle shapes from the rock wool. Because ive not been able to find any rigid rockwool panels ive used 50mm thermo board at the front. It has a reflective strip on it also. My question is, will this reflect sound too much or will it help assist whats behind (the rockwool)? Just wanted to check before i cover with fabric and frame them. If not ideal i suppose i could make some vent holes in the thermo board before i apply the material, that way the sound still gets directly to rockwool. Hope this makes sense! Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks Again Paul
Thank you so much for watching! I would cut holes in the thermo board, or just use the rockwool on its own without the thermoboard. I’ve done plenty bass traps with only the safe’n’sound rockwool. The rigid board just helps to provide a rigid surface behind the fabric, but not necessary for the function of the traps. Enjoy your build!
Does it matter how wide a bass trap is? These ones look about a foot wide. Others that I've seen (including here on your channel) are 3-4 feet wide. Are there advantages of making them bigger? I'd love to add smaller traps to save space in my room if they're as effecient.
Ideally you would build them as large as your space allows. In this case the client needed access to the electrical outlets so we had to make them very small. The larger the traps the more bass trapping you will achieve. Thanks for watching!
What were the dimensions of this room? I have a space roughly 15x13 and trying to determine if I split it for a small mix/control area and then a small live room for cabs and my drumset.
This room was on the smaller side, around 7x9 I believe. I’d suggest whatever works best for your work flow! Personally I like tracking drums in larger rooms, but if splitting the room is in your best interest then go for it. Thanks for watching!
We just did one 2x4 foot panel as a ceiling cloud to fit the mix position in a smaller room this size. There’s many different ways to address it depending on your budget, build and tool access, and how permanent or modular you want everything. If you’re interested in more formal consulting feel free to reach out over email or through the website. Thanks for watching!
Hi, can this corner bass trap eliminate 50hz sound? I'm having some 50hz sound in my living room that is so annoying (probably from some device like AC in the neighbourhood) that is specially loud in the corner and near connecting wall so i'm in search of solution. Thx.
They work much better with an air gap but not strictly required. Even just like 2 inches gap (you can find stand-offs of various materials) will be helpful without being obtrusive.
In that case I would add thick 6-8-10 inch plus panels on the flat sections of the walls. You could also add corner traps to where the walls meet the ceiling. Thanks for watching!
In other circumstances you'd build these larger for sure, but for this size room and since the client needed access to those electrical outlets, this was the largest we could go with. Even these traps in all four corners floor to ceiling did make a difference. Thanks for watching!
Small for sure. Probably only good down until about 250hz. The airgap in the corner will extend the range slightly. One thing to consider if building an air gap into the frame. Using 1x stock lumber will allow a 4" panel to have about 1/2 in gap. The sealed cavity will allow the absorption to be more effective than just adding a gap by mounting. For a small room, however, the problems will be numerous and thicker panels (5.5") (don't have to be huge, hulking bass traps) with airgap would be highly effective.
Very nice, well presented, no BS filler, simple to build design, and it looks to me like these could easily be modified, frame wise, to make portable traps. Built in looks notably simpler, though. I don't give likes to YT videos often, at all, but you got one, and a sub. Now to have a look around the channel, and also see if you sell some of the products required. I like to support people and businesses that are forthcoming with information and help. Cheers from an EE and lifetime audio enthusiast! Time to fire up REW and try to make a DECENT listening room. If I showed you what mine is shaped like, you would likely run away screaming. :-) It is L shaped, with a 45 degree wall in the inner corner, two doors, one on each end, and a foyer after one of them. Kind of a nightmare. In my next house I am going to have a room designed for sound. Now to look for your (hopefully) vids on wide band traps, and narrower band traps.
Out of genuine curiosity, do you mind explaining why? Was thinking about treating my room and I’ve seen a lot of things online that recommend similar construction ideas. Is it the rockwool that is the issue?
Mainly due to depth, you need a certain amount of spacenand depth of material for it to have a decent affect,also having space behind the material can help. There are online calculators
@@EggMCMUFFIN-e4l ok I didn’t ask why it was bad, I understand that. I’m just looking to make my own and wanted to know this guys opinion on how they should be made. Get off your high horse
Dude , it’s taken me a minute to see that you are delusional. Within the laws of physics those are barely mid bass traps maybe effective for 150hz A true bass trap would be a minimum of 3 foot deep in a larger space. Not even you walls are playing any part in low frequency control management
Hi, love all these videos! What do you think of leaving a gap between the insulation and the wall? Does it have any additional absorption effect or will soundwaves just go through and hit the wall and go through slightly more insulation on the way back anyway, with this kind of solution. I feel like soundwaves through more insulation is better than soundwaves "hitting" air behind the trap, then the wall, and then the air and insulation again. What do you think? What is the correct science?
Thanks for watching! Leaving the air gap generally helps panels/traps be more effective at lower frequencies. There are instances depending on what type of treatment is being built where you would just fill all the way with as much insulation as you can. Both ways can be correct just depends on the context. I appreciate the super thanks and your viewership!
Exactly what I needed. I appreciate the inspiration. From contractor to contractor… If this isn’t your house, you really need to hook up a shop vac to that miter saw, and at least throw some cardboard down so you’re not using a finished floor as your work bench. If I walked in and saw you doing this in a finished room with dust sensitive instruments nearby, I would send you home.
Screwing directly into the drywall? Is there sheathing behind it or something for it to actually stick to? Seems like it would rip right out with any kind of bump into it, no?
Hi Daniel, thanks for this video, gave me some inspiration on bass traps for my home studio. Id love your opinion on one detail please. Ive pretty much copied your design, cut out triangle shapes from the rock wool. Because ive not been able to find any rigid rockwool panels ive used 50mm thermo board at the front. It has a reflective strip on it also. My question is, will this reflect sound too much or will it help assist whats behind (the rockwool)? Just wanted to check before i cover with fabric and frame them. If not ideal i suppose i could make some vent holes in the thermo board before i apply the material, that way the sound still gets directly to rockwool. Hope this makes sense! Any advice would be appreciated!
Thanks
Again Paul
Thank you so much for watching! I would cut holes in the thermo board, or just use the rockwool on its own without the thermoboard. I’ve done plenty bass traps with only the safe’n’sound rockwool. The rigid board just helps to provide a rigid surface behind the fabric, but not necessary for the function of the traps. Enjoy your build!
Thanks Daniel! Makes perfect sense
Does it matter how wide a bass trap is? These ones look about a foot wide. Others that I've seen (including here on your channel) are 3-4 feet wide. Are there advantages of making them bigger? I'd love to add smaller traps to save space in my room if they're as effecient.
Ideally you would build them as large as your space allows. In this case the client needed access to the electrical outlets so we had to make them very small. The larger the traps the more bass trapping you will achieve. Thanks for watching!
The trims are way too big, less bass trap !!!
Perfect timing! Building my studio today/tomorrow
Thanks for watching enjoy your build!
Nice design/engineering. Do you know roughly how much material cost each corner would come up to?
What were the dimensions of this room? I have a space roughly 15x13 and trying to determine if I split it for a small mix/control area and then a small live room for cabs and my drumset.
This room was on the smaller side, around 7x9 I believe. I’d suggest whatever works best for your work flow! Personally I like tracking drums in larger rooms, but if splitting the room is in your best interest then go for it. Thanks for watching!
Hey how’s it going man. Love your videos! Do you use 2x2 wood for the bass traps?
Yes these ones were framed with 2x2. You can use other dimensions of lumber depending on the size and application. Thanks for watching!
How would you approach the ceiling in a room like this?
We just did one 2x4 foot panel as a ceiling cloud to fit the mix position in a smaller room this size. There’s many different ways to address it depending on your budget, build and tool access, and how permanent or modular you want everything. If you’re interested in more formal consulting feel free to reach out over email or through the website. Thanks for watching!
Great design Daniel
Thank you!
Are the sides of the 2x2 beveled at 45 degrees? Or how do u put thst into the wall makes no sdnse to me
Hi, can this corner bass trap eliminate 50hz sound? I'm having some 50hz sound in my living room that is so annoying (probably from some device like AC in the neighbourhood) that is specially loud in the corner and near connecting wall so i'm in search of solution. Thx.
What are you using to cut the Rockwool cleanly?
Use a bread knife.
Nice video. What do you do if there's a door close to the corner. 😊
If you have space I’d consider mounting a 4/6/8 inch rectangular bass/broadband trap/absorption on the door itself. Thanks for watching!
I have a room about this size im about to move into. I’m 100% building these! Thanks man!
Thanks for watching! Build them as wide/large as your space and room size needs allows and enjoy!
Where are the room measurements before and after treatment to show effectiveness of this construction?
There were no before and after measurements for this client
@@soundheadquarters that’s crazy. He doesn’t even really know if it was effective?
Looks nice but it would be better if you had made some measurements before and after to show how the panels improves the sound...
Do these bass traps need an air gap? I’m finding mixed answers online.
They work much better with an air gap but not strictly required. Even just like 2 inches gap (you can find stand-offs of various materials) will be helpful without being obtrusive.
Whats the solution if all the corners of your room have doors next to them? D:
In that case I would add thick 6-8-10 inch plus panels on the flat sections of the walls. You could also add corner traps to where the walls meet the ceiling. Thanks for watching!
@@soundheadquarters love u
Hey very good video I like it
How much did this cost the client after parts, labor, and all?
Just out of curiousity, are you also informing your clients of the risk of breating in rockwool fibres?
Very low risk from Rockwool fibres.
@@jamesglewmusic lol. that material should be behind a wall and not in room. u people dont care.
@@pradub3541 Rockwool is not the same as fibreglass.
isn't these waaay to small to do anything good for bass?
In other circumstances you'd build these larger for sure, but for this size room and since the client needed access to those electrical outlets, this was the largest we could go with. Even these traps in all four corners floor to ceiling did make a difference. Thanks for watching!
Small for sure. Probably only good down until about 250hz. The airgap in the corner will extend the range slightly. One thing to consider if building an air gap into the frame. Using 1x stock lumber will allow a 4" panel to have about 1/2 in gap. The sealed cavity will allow the absorption to be more effective than just adding a gap by mounting.
For a small room, however, the problems will be numerous and thicker panels (5.5") (don't have to be huge, hulking bass traps) with airgap would be highly effective.
Don't call it a bass trap if it won't be effective on bass freq though@@soundheadquarters
Very nice, well presented, no BS filler, simple to build design, and it looks to me like these could easily be modified, frame wise, to make portable traps. Built in looks notably simpler, though.
I don't give likes to YT videos often, at all, but you got one, and a sub. Now to have a look around the channel, and also see if you sell some of the products required. I like to support people and businesses that are forthcoming with information and help. Cheers from an EE and lifetime audio enthusiast!
Time to fire up REW and try to make a DECENT listening room. If I showed you what mine is shaped like, you would likely run away screaming. :-) It is L shaped, with a 45 degree wall in the inner corner, two doors, one on each end, and a foyer after one of them. Kind of a nightmare. In my next house I am going to have a room designed for sound.
Now to look for your (hopefully) vids on wide band traps, and narrower band traps.
Symbolic bass traps 😂
Hmm they would not be doing much sorry to say.
Looks cool though
Out of genuine curiosity, do you mind explaining why? Was thinking about treating my room and I’ve seen a lot of things online that recommend similar construction ideas. Is it the rockwool that is the issue?
Mainly due to depth, you need a certain amount of spacenand depth of material for it to have a decent affect,also having space behind the material can help. There are online calculators
I´m afraid it's not fat enough...
This is not how bass traps should be designed.
How would you make them
@@garrettefoster2486too small and shallow to do jack shit. Gonna absorb higher up the frequency spectrum
@@EggMCMUFFIN-e4l ok I didn’t ask why it was bad, I understand that. I’m just looking to make my own and wanted to know this guys opinion on how they should be made. Get off your high horse
@@garrettefoster2486 and im telling you. YOU get off your high horse🤣
The room is tiny, ofc it's not gotta be 36 in deep traps. Give me a break.
Dude , it’s taken me a minute to see that you are delusional. Within the laws of physics those are barely mid bass traps maybe effective for 150hz
A true bass trap would be a minimum of 3 foot deep in a larger space. Not even you walls are playing any part in low frequency control management