The Dangerous Problem With Behringer
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Beihringer made me, an old man, very happy and answered my teenage dreams.
Same here. I was a teenager drooling over the pages of Keboard magazine the way other guys my age were drooling over “other magazines”😂 now I’m a well-to-do 57 year-old with a room full of synths. Only one Behringer, but the competition has had to respond to their price/value challenge.
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As a teenager my dreams were to shag Claire & Lucy from sixth form. Dream bigger dude.
Behringer never answered that dream btw
I'm not a big analog guy. Every synth I own is digital. I wanted at least 1 analog synth, and one of my favorites is the prophet line. I was able to finally get my prophet sound without breaking the bank. When the time comes, i'll purchase a vintage prophet 5 to display in my studio, but for now, I'm content with my Behringer pro8.
Most electronic products are derivative. They copy the products that came before them and use the same circuit designs and even components. For example, in the world of guitar amps, look at Marshall. They copied the Fender Bassman circuit and made some modifications. Other tube amps also owe a lot to early designs by Fender and Vox.
I live in a third world country. The only way to I put my hands in some good and cheap analog device its Behringer or some very, I mean, very limited models from other manufactures. I don't care about cloning and I have some behringer gear for twelve years and they still work great(four guitar pedals and a mixer). Some Boss and Digitech pedals that I have didnt last so long. thank you behringer, keep the good work.
Because of Behringer I own a 16 voice OBXA copy, a minimoog copy, and a DFAM copy (that's better than the actual Moog product because it syncs to midi clock), and they all sound incredible and work perfectly. That's pretty awesome in my book.
Until they need repairing.
@@dankeplace They haven't yet. If they ever do, the model d and edge (dfam copy) are so cheap I may as well buy a new one. The UBXA is so much cheaper than the alternatives (there aren't even any alternatives if you take into account the fact that UBXA is 16 voices) that it would take a hell of a lot of repeated repairs before it reached the initial cost of any competing unit.
@@Michael-xr5yx that's where you're wrong, the Teo 5 competes with the UBXa quite easily, 5 voice vs 16 garbage, and the SEM filter with that mod matrix.
You make zero sense.
@@dankeplace "durrrr more voices are stupid so you're wrong" it appears you're an idiot. I'm sorry I spent the time to respond to you like a real human being.
@@Michael-xr5yx seems you missed the SEM filter? The 16 voices in the UBXa sound average, compared to the Teo 5's stellar sounding.
Why does that upset you? If you want to behave like a child, I'll treat you like one.
The Teo 5 ( that's the Oberhiem offering) has 5 voices which are far more capable than the non SEM equivalent of the 16 voice UBXa, both are very similarly priced, but one with lesser voices sounds better, why?
This is just regurgitated stuff we've heard many times before.
That's what RUclipsrs do when they lack imagination for something original
Can the next Behringer product be affordable land?
How is this a bad thing? Basic economic theory demonstrates that when companies have to compete for customers, it leads to lower prices, higher quality goods and services, greater variety, and more innovation.
Behringer will copy your channel next.
and his soul.
And make it cheap
Beaver Wheats!
@@stacypuckett Heaver Bweats
And add a sequencer.
eagerly awaiting next week's video "Behringer Is Suing Me"
Dude. Did you move my toothpaste? Where's my toothpaste?
Benn Jordan's take on Behringer is more nuanced... definitely worth a watch after this one.
It doesn't defend Behringer... rather it puts these tired complaints into a better perspective.
I think the subscription plans rolled out by companies like Roland and Native Instruments are more “dangerous” than Behringer. Maybe if these companies actually made the gear we rely on Behringer instead of antagonizing legitimate competition, we would have more choices in the market. Also, synths are too expensive, and it is has everything to do with greed and nothing to do with necessary cost recoupment.
Team Behringer ALL DAY
Don't you dare to be anywhere near my bathroom. Use the guest bathroom!
7:50 @Jerred, its 1AM… *What* are you doing in my bathroom? 😂
Probably crying over his 40 year old synth.
Maybe these other companies should have put out the things people wanted long ago.
What a mind blowing concept!
Behringer has some great synths out now. My one concern is the drama. If I take Behringer gear to a show, will I get grief due to people's polarized opinions about the company? If someone sees me performing on a Behringer instrument, will they just keep scrolling, at least more than they already do?
A lot of people have complaints about Behringer, and a lot of that criticism is correct and valid. I wish that if you're gonna go in on Behringer, you could focus more on the technical aspects. For example, what are the differences between an UB-XA and an original OBXA, besides the obvious modern touches? I'm assuming since the OBXA was DCO that it's "voice on a chip," so does the UB-XA use the same chips? Things like that. The terrible social media shit really does make Behringer look gross, but it just gets lost in the chaos of the internet.
You know the answer to this. It's why you never see anyone other than youtubers publicly show their Behringer gear. This is just a simple truth. I own a ton of Behringer gear myself, but none of it is my show gear. And, personally, as an enthusiast who puts a lot of thought (and money) behind the passion, when I see someone who ONLY has cloned Behringer gear rather than a well thought-out assortment of gear that actually fits their needs and style, clearly motivated by price alone, with an absolutely un-deniable sameness to almost all their gear, well it isn't simply the Behringer moniker that makes me pass pretty quick.
gonna be real with you: nobody cares what gear you're using, just as long as you're making good music
Nobody cares what you are using. And why do you care what people think as long as you are making good music and enjoying it. I have seen lots of lives made on Behringer equipment and I have no once cared about what equipment was being used. I care only whether I like the music or not. I have seen music made on $100000 setups and it was pure shite.
@@Dubotic303 you say nobody cares but I think people care. And I almost never see videos or lives with Behringer gear.
@uyscuti5376 it's called a difference of opinion. I'm afraid you need to learn to live with it too.
I have a TD-3-MO and I only use it when waiting for things to install. It’s never made it to a record lol
Is that The Seatbelts in the background?!
I liked your video and watched to the end. There are a few things to note here: I am good friends with Mr. Kirn and have appeared on his site. I took the time out of my day to read Uli the riot act on the day he announced that his mother passed away, mainly reminding him that of all the lessons his mother taught him, respect for others was one he was forgetting. That said, the company makes the ultra expensive affordable enough for musicians to safely tour with the items (you haven't LIVED until you've had to hope that your TR-909 arrives in Berlin safely). Many of the items they have created have a few things in common: The original manufacturer has no interest in a reissue (Roland), the item is rare to find in good condition or ungodly expensive, and the unit likely was based on Curtis 'synth on a chip' ICs (Music Tribe may have a manufacturing plant for these). One must separate their ethics/feelings about their practices and focus on the tools at hand in order to sleep at night. Nobody is going to complain about their car being repaired properly with Harbor Freight tools if they only see the result. But Uli definitely needs to stop trying to chase Elon Musk at the most punch-able man in their industry...
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@3:51 “All music created with UB-Xa” *guitar playing in the background on a neat beat 😂
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hi weaver thanks for the video
A tb303 was $500 in 1986.
That's $1500 today
Td-3 sells for $149
That's 90% off
Used real ones are $4000
Did we get totally ripped off by the "oligarchy" in the 80s?
In 1986 I could have got my jx8p or a used car.
Now roland wants to convert you to renting a screen picture of your favorite synth run on your own hardware because of the profitable subscription model.
Then it shuts off when you stop paying. Are we improving music or improving profitability. Because still feels like being ripped off 35 years later
Roland is such a terrible reference point when we have Korg making original, innovative, affordable analog and digital synths. There are options beyond Behringer.
Roland sucks, too, but you have a lot of options if you want a 303 sound in hardware form.
@@t1merickson Korg is a terrible example. The Opsix Mk2 and Modwave Mk2 modules are £700 each, the King Korg £1000. Heck, even a Minilogue XD is £500. That is a lot of money. A better example would be Arturia. The Minifreak provides a lot of synth for less than £500, and I even consider that expensive for most people. I don't know what world you are living in that you think it isn't. Inflation is through the roof across the planet, and many people barely get by. Ditching on poor people isn't the flex you think it is when everyone is broke in this economy.
And you could have had an tt analogique clone for years before Behringer... Best sounding 303 clone imo... Sure it's more "expensive" but not unnaffordable....
@@jumpstar9000 What about the Volcas? Also, Korg synths are easy to get used. I see a lot more of them around than Behringer ones.
7:26 "What is this?" - that chick looks like the woman in the *_"Try AN ALE"_* where the "E" is folded away on her shirt...
Regardless of how you feel about them, they have figured out how to market their products to their fanbase, nostalgia sells which is essentially their whole business model, the association with legacy gear used on countless hit records is more important to them than creating original new products it would seem. A shame given their resources, and when they do make something original like the Neutron it is far more interesting. The copying of in production gear like the keystep and moog stuff is really cringey though, and a lot of their “tribute” gear doesn’t really sound much like the original, although it is fair to say a few of them are close enough for most people. I don’t think they are particularly low priced overall, but they do have a selected range of low priced products to give the impression their whole range is, a tactic used by supermarkets for decades because it works so well. For example the TD3 is very cheap to make, and appears cheap when compared to a 303, but not when compared to a Donner B1 which is cheaper and better. Same can be said of their drum machines, not expensive to make, there are other analog drum machines in the same price bracket, but when compared to a 808 or 909 they seem cheap. Lots of their monosynths are similar priced to other modern monosynths etc etc.
What specifically is better about the B1? Asking so I can sleep better at night. 😅
@@crnkmnky Better sequencer, built in delay, better sounding distortion.
Moog just should copy Behringer.. imagine a Moog ONE 32 for 1500€ 😊
Wow, you fixed my sink thank you!!!
I am confused by the idea that the Behringer 2600 is a "cheap copy." I mean... okay. I am minutes in and not hearing what is particularly bad about this corporation over others. I mean we live in a world with Adobe and NI, right? And that is just sticking with artistic tech related firms.
you go Berry! Now make us poor fellas some SSL desks!!!
Why don’t other companies sue them then ? I’m curious because in software it’s quite hard to copyright much , I don’t know anything about copyright law for hardware and music instruments
They can't sue them. In case the original company filed a patent it has expired long time ago. There are trademarks, but unless Behringer builds an identical copy and tries to sell it under the exact original name they don't really have a case. Just as Fender can't really do much about the numerous copies out there, unless they use the Fender logo on the headstock.
They recently brought us a clone of the neve 1073 with eq 2 channels. For under 1k. And a stereo neve compresses for half that.. i can't hate them for that.. i just can't.
I actually really liked the deep mind and the neutron. They clearly had some good people making some synths with great ideas, pity they couldn’t double down on that instead.
waiting on the Proton…
I only have Behringer 2500 modules, because only alternative is oryginal ARP 2500, which people sell sometimes for around 60000$
I only have Behringer D, because the original costed sth like 20000, and the new one from Moog sth like 5000.
you can use this logic for ANY of their synths. That's the whole point. No one REALLY cares unless it gets them to b given free gear to push on their RUclips channel..
when you hear that wooden block
you know it’s only ghoste
their range of affordable products made other manufacturers look at similar price points to compete with their own products - korg, roland etc.
for the consumer it's win win.. and if your a dentist or pharmaceutical distributor you have the luxury of the $5k synths too.
I love my td3mo Benn and you are shooting shots but the ubxa is awesome wish I had 1100 for one but the ms5 sold out of preorders uhhhhh and aswell as the edge so they got mad hype and are really hard to get ….
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fanboy nonsense: ❌
factual statements: ✅
Well played, Rose. 👏
Let’s be positive- the new Oberheim TEO5 is very good value and I’m excited - it’s similar to my old favourite the Roland J8xp or Jx8p whatever it was called and it’s an Oberheim! Will it come with a case?
Teo 5 is an exceptional synth, any case that will hold a Pro 3 or Take 5 will hold a Teo 5
Please. There is enough 5 voice 45 key synths out there. It's like they are selling you a car with 2 wheels. It's a fraud. It's effectively a Take 5 with minor sound differences.
@@maxmeier532 It's 44 keys, it's not a Take 5 with minor sound differences, you clearly know nothing which what you post.
A car with 2 wheels is called a motorbike, what is a fraud here is your intelligence.
Can you tell me how many 5 voice analogs actually exist?
Recently I only know of the Take 5 which is based on the P5, I guess I did your work for you, that's 2 synths.
Thanks for your comments - I like Behringer but was encouraged to see the new Oberheim at a relatively good price and like JX8P. The sound quality looks like it takes you from 10 to 11 as per Spinal Tap but don’t quote me.
Can you beat Aldi on price?????
The Weaves, you keep your tail out of my litter box!!!
Afraid of the DMX? You should make your beats with one. The new GForce DMX plugin sounds pretty good. Sadly though it doesn't implement the DMX sequencer. But you have Ableton, so you're good.
Get on that Synth Show with the Synth Samurai for a friendly chat ;)
Here's a novel idea..
Stop worshipping brands, manufacturers and/or corporations.
If you want to be a fan, be a fan of a person and the art or music they create... or maybe the philanthropy they engage in... not a corporation.
Corporations are not fans of you... the relationship is strictly business. They sell their products in such a way so that they can maximize their profits. CEOs always need the latest yachts.
In this relationship, you the consumer decide whether or not to purchase the product based upon the merits and quality of the product. If any manufacturer wishes for a sustainable business enterprise, it is their responsibility to ensure that they provide a quality product, or that they address defects in a fair, equitable and professional manner.
As a consumer in this relationship, you decide IF you wish to purchase the product or not... based on the attributes outlined above and how these are calculated within your own cost/benefit analysis.
Corporations and organizations are not your friend or relative. They do not care about you... they care about your money. That's how they sustain themselves within the world of business... and grow their market share.
That's it! Everything else is some form of an activists crusade or virtue-signaling.
Admittedly, Uli Behringer has been a bit of a troll and some of Behringer's retaliatory behavior has been very 'unprofessional' and 'unadult'... not to mention petty.
I can't speak for the RUclips community, but I have worked for several abusive and oppressive organizations and manager structures. If the employees at Behringer are treated in a similar manner, lets all be thankful that they are not our employer.
But everyone should recognize that most of these organizations are not your friends... they don't love you and you shouldn't love any of them. If you enjoy a product... if it takes you where you want to go... that's a win!!
My friend enjoys his Toyota Rav4... but I think we all would agree that Toyota's recent chesting on vehicle testing is shifty and dangerous... and definitely more concerning than Uli Behringer KOing some old or overpriced synth from an elitist or has-been manufacturer.
But would someone be a fan of Toyota? Wear Toyota swag? It seems silly to be a billboard for a corporation to me... unless they're paying you.
Again... Behringer might not engage in the most ethical business practices. But at the end of the day... these are business practices. You know who else has engaged in some awful business practices... Comcast/Xfinity... RUclips/Google/Alphabet... KPMG... Apple... Amazon... Open AI... and I probably would not want to work for any of these organizations as a low-level/mid-level employee either.
But, as an economically challenged person very interested in industrial and electronic music, should I simply forego this hobby and leave it to those with more surplus cash to spend on higher priced synths from Erica Synths/Moog/Oberheim?!?
FUCK THAT!!
So, I have purchased and will continue to purchase Behringer products that I like... I will watch and read reviews for several months before committing.
But, when the price is in my range, I also purchase from other synth manufacturers. I recently acquired the 'East Beast' from Cre8audio for $250.00. That item is priced in such an affordable manner, Behringer couldn't possibly undercut it!!
If more organizations paid a higher wage to the low-level and mid-level workers, and limited the highest corporate salaries, we might all have more surplus cash on hand to purchase the Moogs/Oberheim/Waldorfs out there... but that's not gonna happen.
As it stands, AI is in the initial stages of creating all kinds of efficiencies for corporations. You know what important factor is not being considered as more organizations pursue AI?
Human beings.
As AI is further developed, those efficiencies will replace the need for many low-level and mid-level jobs. Think of all the money that corporations will save when they don't need to hire any of us. We won't be thinking about Uli Behringer too much after that happens.
Life is hard and only getting harder. There are waaayyy bigger issues out there than Behringer.
Stop worshipping brands. Stop purchasing items at elitist prices... and maybe if these companies could offer their products at far more reasonable prices for the people in my financial status (or lack thereof), there'd be no market for Behringer.
tl;dr
Just kidding. This might be the only worthwhile comment on this video! 👍
@crnkmnky I can definitely be verbose... maybe I need a RUclips channel where I engage in constant op-eds rather than just footage of my hands using equipment to make actual DAWless IDM and acid jams. 😂
But it's like... all these cats go after the low-hanging fruit when there is shit going on that is far worse and much more complicated than Behringer's business model.
Well said.
If you haven’t already figured it out, the “social media manager” is Uli
Yeah and he does a shit job of it.
@@dankeplace Their synths are selling like hot cakes, hat of as.
@@HazeAnderson You mean smelling like hot shit?
hat as I got a degreeeee.
As you were muppet.
"Always has been."
Weaver trying to get synth companies to send him the prereleases when I’ve only seen him play a monologue……
Weaver is not a hardware man at all.
But maybe that could change after studying a few pre-releases… 😂
New sub here. Mister Filter Sweep aka SynthPunk sent me here.
who?
I want the Kirn Cork who care about anti this and that
"Conflicted" is a great way to describe my relationship with my Bee Ringer 303 clone. It's fun as hell, and sounds as good as I need it, and yes, cheap af. I make myself feel better that the only way to get this sound and form factor is to spend more on something that's also a clone.
Well, I mean, there is plenty of gear that makes a similar sound that isn't a 303 clone. Accents and slides aren't exactly Roland exclusives. The problem that critics have with Behringer's 303 clone is NOT that is clone of an out-pf-production piece of Roland kit, it's that Behringer lifted schematics from the DIY community for a clone and then manufactured them at scale with no mention whatsoever of the people involved in that effort.
@@dankeplace I’ve explained this many many many times to you. It’s so face palm.
@@dankeplace again, I’ve explained it to you many many many times. You are too dense to understand basic logic. Why would anyone who has no public content, who isn’t growing their channel (by virtue of having no content), buy subs? Perhaps there is a simple reason that I’ve explained many many many times? You are too dense to see the intrinsic nonsense of your mind’s wandering.
@@dankeplace Sir, this is a Wendy's....
@@alexwestconsulting Dang. Good points there. I wasn't aware of that level of plagarism. Sigh. Still, I'm broke and a nobody, so I'm not going to burn my 303. 😔
I'm on Team Behringer. Whenever I look to buy music gear Behringer is my first port of call. They make good stuff cheap. They do cut corners in the quality of build sometimes, but I think they offer the kind of value for money that I find it impossible to ignore.
this is why i got a cheap knock off of their guitar link "interface" i fully knew what i was getting into and i don't regret a thing i also use "their" software with it, which i got from a forum
I need Behringer to clone expensive analog DJ mixers and homes.
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homes?
I'd live in a cheap behringer pod home on a couple acres of land lol
I'd love a Playdifferently Model 1 that isn't insanely expensive, for only 6 stereo ins, and a pair of fully stereo auxes. .
@@DetroitMicroSound Yep if behringer makes one I'm copping sorry Richie Hawtin
People are very unhappy with the way nintendo behaves regarding intellectual property they are no longer manufacturing or offering as a product in any form, I see no difference between the code for super mario bros 3. and a schematic for a synth that's approaching higher values than a modest boat. Especially since actually creating a physical version of these circuits is usually cost prohibitive, so the redesigned circuits are completely different.
You can only patent a circuit design, once that expires, it's open for anyone to use without license.
why do i have do support a product that is overpriced when Beringer came to the rescue??
The sign is a subtle joke
As a guitarist on a velcro budget (shoe strings were for birthdays and Christmas) I’ve avoided their pedals because of their bad reputation and price point reflecting poorly on the perceived quality. To elaborate on the last part: being a German company in the collective consciousness that means long lasting high quality products. That Leica rangeviewer camera your great-great-grandfather bought in 1924 is still usable today. Same goes for Japanese products. With that in mind my reasoning against buying Behringer products was that, being a German company, they would be very anal about quality control. This to me meant that it was unlikely that the components of those cheap pedals would with time degrade and evolve (or devolve?) a sound of their own and people would 20 years later call a Behringer fuzz pedal a holy grail for power electronics and noise projects if it was made with transistors and capacitators from batch nr XX used in the pedals manufactured in Kuala Lumpur between Summer 2024 and Spring 2025 because the lower quality of the components in time would give the pedal a very different and personal sound. And I’ll be the first to admit I am prejudiced in that sense. Like, when buying a car you always go for a Japanese or German car (because Volvos are sold out and you need a car today) and never buy French unless you like to get stranded in the middle of nowhere due to car failure. All horror movies where the protagonists have car failures it’s because they were driving French cars. Buy a watch? Japanese or Swiss, d’uh. Olives? Greece and the Levant area. If you buy olives from Sweden and they taste like shit (or worse, don’t have a taste) that’s really on you. So, in my opinion this could be another (subjective) reason why people don’t like Behringer’s products. Like the reverse of buying a Mooer or no brand pedal from China where quality control is treated like how the US treats the Geneva Conventions in foreign operations (ie more like suggestions). You might get great bang for your buck, but also a shitty product which in this context of making music could well be inspirational to crafting your sound.
Also, with the power of samplers these days it is pretty ridiculous to be protecting hardware designs that are perfectly replicated in so many plug ins these days.
A sampler doesn't get you much, you can ADSR, apply some fx and filter sweeps, how is this a threat to hardware synths?
@@dankeplace the market that can get by with that is the same market that would consider a cheap clone as an upgrade. The more expensive synths (>$2k) are a completely different market. So what I am saying is that soft synths are a similar “inferior” product as clones that no one ever complains about. No one that values the original and has the money to buy it would ever buy a cline or soft synth.
@@mjrisinsd6836 no idea what you're talking about.
@@dankeplace not surprising.
@@mjrisinsd6836 well you were speaking about samplers then went off on a tangent, so I guess you're confused too!!
Strat
Still waiting for an Acid revival following everyone trooping out to dutifully buy their cheap 3O3 clone.😏
it's revived, brother. you just weren't invited. no jerks allowed.
@@totalSLACK Sorry for not being one of the cool kids. 😭
@@lairdkilbarchan people like you who care what other people are doing is the main ingredient for the least interesting stuff possible
@@totalSLACK Good luck in your solipsistic adventures.
Are you always this angry? 🤣🤣🤣
This reminds me of the 60s and 70s when Japanese guitar makers like Ibanez were making copies of American Fender and Gibson guitars and those who owned the originals were crying foul. Low-cost Japanese guitars have enabled thousands of musicians to play. it was only in the late 1970s that the first original Japanese models appeared. The difference with Behringer is that this brand generally produces synthesizers whose original models or from which they are inspired have no longer been in production for a long time or whose design is no longer a secret and allows musicians to have instruments physical and not just software. Korg buys the ARP brand name and produces 2600 and Odyssey in the same way and with the same sound quality as Behringer but more expensive and no one complains. There is a brand snobbery among musicians who want to give ethical lessons to actually keep the privilege of being able to use the very expensive original instruments as a private preserve. Behringer sells inexpensive but quality instruments, everyone benefits from them and especially the music.
In many ways, this is just their marketing. It is part of their business model
Wait... so their UB-Xa is the same as the original? So they lied when they said they updated it, added additional features, made prototypes, revised them, sent them out to people for feedback, revised them again, tested them again and then finalized the design? They lied when they said they did all that research and development into updating it and making additional features? Yeah, that is messed up. Didn't realize they skipped all research and development and just made a copy to dave money...
Tis just a bad attempt at click bate tbh, he must be lacking views. All your points are valid.
This dude's entire persona is sensationalist. What I would love to know is WHERE'S ALL THE PERSONAL MUSIC CONTENT, THAT SHOWS HE HAS A SOAPBOX TO STAND ON?
@@DetroitMicroSound 💁♀️ *It's. On. Spotify.*
@@crnkmnky I use spotify as much as I do X, which is not once, ever. Where is his RUclips music-making content, tracks, performances? GEAR????? It's all just shit-talking, drama, and gossip, here. Talk is cheap, and a very large number of his videos, are clickbaity....Which is really why so many people watch his rants. A lot of people need drama in their lives. I guess they are bored, because they are not making music.
@@DetroitMicroSound Fair enough. Weaver is quite capable of producing interesting electronic music, but he knows nothing outside of software, and he knows that the audience is not here for his music.
more behringers for me
You can say whatever you want about Behringer and their practices. But they do have R&D costs. Albeit much less than the original creator.
But they do have to develop the clone, which is just putting the same IC's and resistors on a circuit board and thinking that works.
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I have absolutely zero issue with Behringer reverse-engineering and releasing clones of gear long dead, with no desire by the original manufacturer to resurrect them. All I expect is (1) there is no trademark infringement, and (2) Do not clone active products. The latter has been done (Example: The Swing vs. Arturia Keystep) and also a clone of Makenoise Maths. As for the Pro-1 and System 100 modules? I welcome them to my studio and use them often.
Why would you make this video months after i already got a FCB1010 from them??? I love the FCB1010 though. You can do so much with MIDI with it and for the cheap low price of $159.
Behringer is the BEST company, Roland is the one serving reheated plastic trash for inflated prices!
By best, do you mean best at producing shit?
Then 100% agree with you.
@@dankeplace Behringer Pro-800 is one of my favourite synths, I have everything to from vintage Roland, modern Roland/Korg etc.
@@lundsweden cool story but what does a Sequential synth have to do with Roland or Korg?
@@dankeplace they are getting cloned for the masses to and there is nothing you can do about it.
1:20 that's a good comment tho.
nah. there are genuine full-scale reissues and pro-grade modular systems, which are naturally expensive.
but the current _Roland_ product line? 🔻
Didn't they used to make half decent mixers...?
Behringer mixers used to be literally the worst. They make good mixers now though.
Waaah?
Behringer do nice things for good artists with more humble wallets but ‘Behringer Oberheim’ seems like a grab for attention that can offend. - maybe they should have thought harder to find a promo grab.
However you can say they’ve wanted to make the quality OB composite and they’re proud of it and that’s what ‘Behringer Oberheim’ means to a point.
The Oberheim TEO5 is very good value - I’d be getting that!
I guess something very hurting, very disappointing or disturbing happened in Uli's past that he decided to become THE EMPEROR of the music gear industry… Could be daddy playing church organ at home all the time!?!
Is everyone going to get their knickers in a twist about the impulse responses of classic units being used in plugins? The interfaces of said plugins being marketed as sounding like the original units with design elements that make them look like the original units? Or do we only get annoyed by physical products?
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You have to write code for software. That falls under different product grounds than physical stuff (trademark vs copyright).
But you bring up a good point, if great software VSTs exist why are people buying a bunch of Overpriced Behringer clones. I can get almost every synth Behringer has cloned in the Arturia instruments bundle for the price of one Behringer synth.
@@ChumpyDumps I for one prefer hardware these days even though I could spend considerably less and I guess that's why Behringers price point makes them attractive. Agree re the software aspect but the ethical dilemma, whether legal or not, remains: we're lapping up clones/ copies/ emulations in the software realm yet I don't hear any arguments like this one.
This video, and the issue, isn't REALLY about the cloning they do. It would be one thing, if that was ALL they did. But trying to sue a company and people in a forum for defamation, trying to copyright a name of another company or person, and generally just messing around with how they say stuff online.....that's where they get themselves into trouble. If it was just the copying, no one would probably say anything.
Something that you do have to keep in mind, if you do get a behringer synth, they aren't known as the highest, most reliable synths, or that their build quality is great. It's OK for the price points they have, but there's a lot of drift in their analog circuits, as well as other issues with functionality, like absolutely no interface controls for working with a computer. They're weirdly not modern, while trying to update the synths, which indicates cutting corners.
I own a behringer synth, I'm not a hater, I'm only stating what's happening. They step in it on social media, and their products are good, but are priced cheaply for a reason, and you can get better for not a lot more money, if you just look. Ethically it's a little weird to buy a behringer product vs a software developer, who, if they use the name of the synth, they pay a licensing fee for that, ala the V collection from Arturia.
Still they just need to stop posting stupid stuff online, and trying to do weird legal things.
No. My issue with Behringer is the quality control, and the way Uli behaves like Little-Elon. IRs and plugins are not the same as cloning either... they are using a different method from a completely different angle.
when is someone going to make an outrage video about how EVERYONE clones Stratocasters... :-/
God, I love Uli
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😻 same here !! thanks Behringer !!
DFAM can bite my banger... Edge ftw.
yes, and it ticks all the boxes 😛
😂😂😂 so many will miss the sarcasm
There is no problem. They offer good product. If other companies want to compete, they need to make their stuff more affordable. I don't care about the controversy. I care about the ability to get good synth sound for less. And as a bedroom producer, their offerings are my go-to. Haters can stuff it.
Capitalism
Spot on. They are not just ripping off synths, this is what they have been doing forever. I remember early 2000s, they knocked off Yamaha 01V and made one of the first digital mixers 6x cheaper than the original. This was their MO since forever. Now they are worse than ever because not only they piggy back on the R and D of others, they are literally destroying small developers. Now they got into modular world, their modules are 4x cheaper than modules a small developers like Make Noise or Xaoc Devices just cannot produce and sell that cheap and stay in business. Then I see people just buying their shit and be like "oh well, if you have problem with the way Behringer does stuff, then boycott Thomann and others selling their gear". Mental gymnastics. I saw all their products announced for this year and aside from a few toy-like things that extent Prophet VS mini version, they literally have like 20 synths in a product line that are ownership of the companies that still exist - from Yamaha and Roland to Sequential.
"WHA'CHU GOT, TOM! HUH? WHA'CHU GOT???" - Uli Behringer.
"Thanks to Uli and the team at Music Tribe and Behringer, I own the worldwide rights to my name for the first time since 1985,” added Tom. “It is a wonderful homecoming, and it is a thrill to once again be able to have the Oberheim name and logo placed on my products." -- Tom Behringer
As a broke hobbyist, I love Behringer
Weaver Beats getting called out by the “Synth Samurai” RUclips channel is interesting. This beef could be bigger than Drake/Kendrick! Bigger than Biggie/2Pac!!
Synth Samurai seems like the type to start a fake beef "for the culture!" 😏
But I am kinda curious why Weaver felt the current situation at Behringer warranted a whole recap video…
@@crnkmnky SS is just a bottom feeder, when he addresses how Weaver defends Peter Kirn in Weaver's live stream, SS was pretty adamant and even pulls the Wienstein card without knowing context.
Kirn was sticking up for his trans friends which obviously Ewa Justka was against.
What's funny is SS is projecting a whole bunch of accusations without backing anything up.
He is using Peter Kirn to deflect, rather than address the elephant in the room, why is Uli such a peon when it comes to social media?
@@dankeplace I _only_ know who Peter Kirn is because Behringer and their flying monkeys keep going after him. Now I have to figure out who this trxxsphxbe Polish lady is? 😵💫
SS confidently and repeatedly compared Kirn to a -rxxxst- with no evidence… that sounds like -Q- UliAnon.
I have a few of their clones sitting around, RD-6, TD-3 x 2, Pro800, UBxa, Pro VS mini and I have a Deepmind 12. love them all and could not give a single flying fuck about what goes on in the background with the company or any of the drama.
Same. Imagine being mad that a company is releasing affordable analog recreations?
Yeah as long as the product is good i don't see the problem here, concurrents like this one are great for customers
Uli is gonna see this and sue you, be careful Weaver!
Back in the late 90s when I first started buying their products their quality reputation was not very good. You were basically rolling the dice on getting a good product that worked and worked well for a long time. They've come a long way since then. I have quite a few Behringer products and they are all very good. I'm still on the fence about their "cloning" business model.
JT-4000 MICRO controlled by sugarbytes obscurium though....
got to say I love my X-touch
Bottom line - none of the products Behringer clones are made by companies that are any more “ethical” than Behringer. To say a company like Roland is doing any “heavy lifting” producing those crap mini synths and drum machines with no i/o or selling $2k vsts in a box is laughable…especially considering Roland is actively working to charge for the sounds their products make via recurring and never-ending subscription….basically separating the sound from the synth. Very thankful for Behringer.
Roland has done the heavy lifting, all their gear that gets cloned was RnD, but in your mind, because they focus elsewhere now, Behringer is to be thanked?
Keep dreaming Behringer has anything to be thanked for, other than being imitators rather than innovators.
Aww boohooohoo!
Are all the preamp companies, large and small, that copy Neve and API also a problem? It feels like selective disdain tbh.
Yep, exactly ☝️
It's scummy when they copy something current like the Moog Grandmother. But with old, out of production gear like the TB-303, I think it's perfectly fine.
Agreed
Temu, meet Behringer.... And then Behringer tries to sue Temu. 😅
Its more about patents of that vintage gear era of r&d & og companies of that time... Come up & around now in this time for otherwise renewal or rejection to do more or less with, from what others i produce with... Who know more of the business & r&d workings than i care to understand, have told me in chats we have... This is why many clones of vintage outboard rack processors, where the initial modern day classic vintage gear to begin... The Clone Wars & new industry of products for times by now. Any of the major brand players could or would have caught on to do simply, what Behringer quickly spun their brand & company around for, & corner a market for what they had a bigger focus on... to achieve by the shift they made overall. Korg was dipping their toes in the modern classic cloning pool at the same initial stage to begin with as well. But Behringer had similar clones at better rrp... & Behringer had dived into clone development far deeper than Korg was for testing the new waters of things at that point too...?
You can't get a decent used car for $5,000
u can in Missouri. shit u could get 2
what are you talking about? 5000 could get you 3 2004 toyota corolla's
Yes you can...... Infact I did.
Lovig the generic beats on the background 🎵
What R&D should go into technologies that were already invented in the 70s and 80s? That shit should already be cheap, I want an API preamp for a few hundred bucks. I also want a 303 and a 909, and if Roland is not listening, someone else will. Stop the gatekeeping of pro audio!
So glad you had the cahones to post this, my man. About time someone stated these facts carte blanche.
P.S. Srry about your upcoming lawsuit from buttringer. Incoming in 5, 4, 3, 2, ...
Hans Zimmer have a behringer 2600. Of course he is a Bommer 🤡
Weaverbeats time to get on That Synth Show with Synth Samurai for a friendly chat ;)
You mean That Dribble Show?
You want to be a apart of the bottom feeding do you?
If you paid attention the Synth Samurai is a lovely gentleman, trying to save you some cash along the way. I love watching both Weaver and Synth Samurai as a means to escape doom scrolling. A nice chat about old Uli would be very entertaining and maybe even thought provoking.
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He is a bottom feeder that gets most info wrong, he reads off a page that anyone can do and promotes garbage like Behringer.
He also attacks certain content creators, specifically like Todd Smith, yes what a wonderful gentleman he is, not.
@@dankeplace what did he say about Todd? I've noticed that Samurai is peddling this conspiracy about a _synthfluencer mafia_ or whatever, which sounds like the most fanboy nonsense ever. 🤔
Not that Todd's commentary is much better than the Samurai…
@@crnkmnky Todd was addressing how a certain troll was attacking him, Samurai said it was all in jest and was gaslighting Todd.
All in the meantime , Todd was pointing out how he had no respect for Samurai and his approach.
Todd has been harassed for years and somehow it's dismissed as humor and acceptable.
The major issue is, Samurai said Todd deleted all these messages and basically called Todd a coward, that Samurai had served him.
I mean it goes beyond gaslighting, it's just bullying to a degree that one should be ashamed of.
All the comments are still there too, Todd was just defending himself and his brand.
One of my best friends bought a bunch of mics and a mixing desk when we were kids because he is a drummer and we wanted to record him. That mixing desk was a Behringer one, which probably doesn't surprise anyone cause kids have no money. My whole childhood, teen phase and adolescence I lived thinking Behringer is cool for having enabled us to experience that in the past and it still means a lot to me. But I also now see the other side, manufacturers getting ripped off by Behringer copying them and saving development time to decrease their own costs. But what should we do about it? It is definitely important that music is accessible to people who are not wealthy, but the people who bring the ideas should not pay for it alone
I'm no Uli fan but I really can't feel sympathy for the likes of Moog when they were happy to re-release the same synths over and over, long after any R&D costs had been covered, at ever increasing prices. None of the companies who Behringer have "ripped off" have pushed the industry forward since their initial offerings. Has Behringer pushed the industry forward? Also no, they're also just rehashing, but their rehashing also comes with a lower price for the consumer. I don't think Uli is the altruistic, man of the people he portrays himself as, I think he's a shewed and ruthless capitalist who is capitalising on the complacency of other companies who were happy to sit on ancient designs.
everyone can make copies except for behringer!!!
Nah. Clones are generally not a problem (esp if patents and copyright arent an issue). Cloning has never been an issue at all.
Ya you must be talking about vsts and that's like comparing apples to oranges.. you don't give a shit because you don't own or work for one of the companies behringer is stealing from
there's a difference between boutique companies making limited runs of out of production gear in their garage vs a mega-corporation copying in-production gear at mass scale in China, lifting the work of the DIY community, lying about partnering with industry heavyweights, actually suing the people who call them out and who they clone, routinely squatting on patents, making racist slurs and on and on. Name me a single other company other than Behringer that does the latter.
@@alexwestconsulting I would say warm audio, but for one warm audio is basically only cloning $1000+ products, and they send Cease and desists to users of synth forums for being vocal about some pretty disgusting business practices, or try and copyright a person's name for vindictive reasons. Also they have never cloned products currently made by a company and sold for only a couple hundred lessand (most likely) in doing so played a contributing role in that company's bankruptcy.
@@triplebeam23it’s not stealing because no one buying a Behringer is in the market for a $5k synth. They are serving a market IGNORED by the greedy companies that price their synths equipment so high AND have all but stopped making new stuff, so overly focused on continuously cashing in on old designs.
The dm12 and the xa are fantastic machines. The drama is annoying. Look at the history of competition in capitalism and you will have something to hate for years of content to come.
DM12 is decent, Xa is trash.
I would love an ARP 2600 but the bloody collectors have them all and stamped their value on them.
So Behringer fixed that by supplying us with a replica this time with flashing lihts for a very manageable price.
It is well built and sounds awesome.
There is nothing wrong with that.
Why the bloody hell don't you Behringer haters just enjoy playing the synths you like, let us buy and play the synths we like and leave the politics out.
If other synth companies cannot keep up the pace of Behringer then thats too bad.
Behringers biggest problem is its haters.
I disagree. It’s easy to hide behind the “capitalist” notion. I had to save for years to buy my 2600. Just because a ripped off clone is available for purchase doesn’t make it right.
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What is!
new synth tsunamis coming, sea retracts, old stories coming up…
-after 4y superbooth, talking to developers, ceos, trolling, running into ytbers… asking many whys…:
its a really a fckn small market. companies going under is an issue.
-everyone has theyre little story about their dealings with behringer…
musicians have been hypnotised by „vintage“
behringer gear is not bad perse. nothing made after 2010 ever died on me … digitone did. microcosm did.
if moneys tight, starting out: buy the behringer shit used. they own a small city in china. sure every worker is happy there. other companies trying to catch up. lowering prices. beat a used microfreak for 200, a korg monologue for 120… get a used behringer crave. learn.
throw your next money at someone trying to push the envelop, not feed off others efforts.
still waiting for some proper company ripping off the behringer flow8 so i dont get shamed everytime running „proper““ gear thru it… iphone control, eq comp , a limiter, decent fx.. running on a powerbank… class compliant 8+channel interface… lazy bums, had to buy that one off uli new!