No Highbacks?!
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2018
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if anyone ever says I ride like a girl, I'm going to point them to this vid
Neil Mathews well that’s a compliment lol
Neil Mathews why? girls usually ride with high backs
She was carving sick with no high backs wow.
Yeah! I'm still like WTF!?
That's not good carving...The frontside turn is quite OK, but the backside is not so good and it's logical with no highback, there is energy loss....
She is so damn good :) She doesn't seem to even care that the highbacks aren't there.
I can tell you how Katie did it: Ankle mobility. I've had to learn this lesson too, because my ankles aren't very flexible. To put down a nice pressure on my heel edge, I do need forward set high backs.
My very first board was from a pawn shop, board+boot+"binding" for $80, and by binding I mean 2 straps glued and screwed into the board. No high backs, no footing, I rode that piece for 5 years. If you can learn to board on that you can ride on a wet baby seal down the mountain.
Damn, what board and what year model?
You put a smile in my face. Thanks!
In 1996 I had baseless binding with low back. The low back height was 2 inch. It was nice for rails. Give more flex. But you need real good boots.
went years where my highback was set up wrong and was actually leaning back slightly. now I do 4 steps forward and it feels so good 👍 thank you knapton for letting me see that
Dang, she’s got more ...guts than I do! I don’t want to even try this. This woman just rips!!! I’m thoroughly impressed.
Yeah. She's got mad skills. Been on the Canadian National team for years. I hope to get some carving tips from her for some vids as I'm sure she has some excellent tips of things that I don't think about much.
She is so good! Most people can’t carve heel side properly even with forward lean
Katie is shreddin' it with or without highbacks! Wow. Great test subjects and cool to hear your comparison.
I used to ride with a significant highback setting, and took off my highbacks 2 weeks back to try things out. I have a relatively stiff boot and a normal width board, so maybe the effects were not as significant as yours on your wide board and your sick carving!! :) Great vid!
Slapped those highbacks back on after riding without it for 3 weeks. Conclusion: I will be reverting to having highbacks on :) I use a union crabgrab, entry level freestyle, I think that's what it is.
I’ve thought of doing this on my powder board setup, but on my wide Donek I’d see it being dangerous 😬 super entertaining seeing her surf it up 🏄♀️
Damn she rips!! So nice watching her. Great style, awesome flowy aggression. Thumbs up lady.
Amazing to see those turns without the high backs! She rips
in the 90's mid season lost a board bought someones old one, bought someone elses older bindings, they had these crazy tall high backs that dug into my calf. I took them off and Loved it, rode out the season that way. For a while I was tempted to do it again, but I always shopped for really low high backs after that anyway.
Thanks for the video on no-back bindings! Personally, I love it. Been riding Switchback bindings without the highbacks for years and haven't looked back. I can hold a nice heelside carve just fine too. I do use a stiffer boot though. My reasons for going without highbacks is it's easier/quicker for me to get into them, it's just another piece of equipment that I don't need, more playful feel to my riding and I feel that it makes you ride a little better forcing one to concentrate on technique and strength. With all that being said though, maybe I'll dust off the highbacks I have for these bindings, slap 'em back on and go for some turns to see how different they are after all these years - should be a fun test!
how'd the experiment go, did you try riding with highbacks again? ;d I''m curious what you think
Just bought some switchbacks and the feeling is amazing!
Any updates on this!
You are very popular in China! I'm a fan of you too! Both my snowboards are donek! Welcome to China!
Hahahaha😂🤣😂🤣 the fear!!
That hat is dope!!
Team manager bossed it!!
Reminds me of first season i rode back in like 1995 I didnt have real boots, i wore timberland work boots on a soft directional board too small for me with bindings that wouldnt tighten right and pop loose. It was hard just to make it down to the lift.
Always wonder too ! Good stuff Ryan !
I remember when I was doing my level 2 BASI course our trainer said we should give this a go and I remember after a little while I really liked it. It was nicer of the calves.
I ride with a guy that grew up riding in Europe and New Zealand and he never rides with highbacks. He is an amazing rider and instructor.
He says that without highbacks he has learned to better utilize, fine tune, and ultimately correct lower body movements (ankle, knee, and hip) that cause adverse board performance. Most of these issues aren't always apparent or are masked when using highbacks.
I wouldn't recommend riding a wide Donek without highbacks, but I can see the advantages on an average width snowboard.
During the japanese invasion of 1994/95 at Cardrona halfpipe NZ, there was one japanese guy who rode pipe all day without highbacks, and rode well too. Me and my buddies who were 16-17 at the time were very impressionable to their styles and ways (getting the baggiest pants we could find) gave backless bindings a try. It was insane landing in the pipe, that guy must've developed muscles on the front of his shins like popeye's arms. I also remember having to buy the aftermarket 'lo-backs' for the burton freestyle bindings, as they came with mid size backs, which would probably still be smaller by todays standard.
Not used highbacks for a few years now and for me it works really well. I'd say that you should use bindings that are designed to be ridden without them; they are available. Depending upon the heel cup design a normal binding may not hold the back of your boot properly, in which case it'll be an awful experience with the heel of your boot lifting on every toe turn. Also, you must remember to re-centre your boot to the board if you're just ditching the highback from a standard binding; bindings like Switchbacks have an insert which properly grips and positions the boot on the baseplate, so they're the ones I use. Being based in the UK, I do lots of snow dome riding and in my experience the removal of the highback really frees the feet, ankles and knees to work in a much more fluid manner, which I seem to prefer. To each their own, though!
Strengthen your ankle to have the leverage to edge the board! ...
Well much better off with the narrower board and high back that's for sure.
Good video! She definitly was shredding it well and great positive attitude from her.
Her toeside is great. You can see the difference in heelside with no highbacks. For Ryan Knapton, I imagine he would be more successful with more supportive boots.
Agreed, plus my extra wide board probably makes it harder too, thus I need the highbacks more I think.
We did this all the time in the 90s I rode all day long with no backs it felt great and you jump and spin, grab melancholy and poke out easier , flat ground trick were easier.
I ride with no highbacks sometimes..the switchback bindings are very fun for this...
The Now binding line are designed to do this exact thing! Should try and get yourself s pair, they also tilt too!
I can't stop laughing. Please make more videos like this please please.
My cousin rides with no highbacks. I thought it was crazy but he swears by it!
I've never seen a girl carve that hard before. Damn.
Joe W.
We’re definitely out there 😉
"It's a board, on water, just in a different state"
Actually true. Haven't thought about it this way.
when your surfing the wave is moving, you are surfing a pulse! Quite a different feeling than riding snow & a lot more to it
Love your videos Ryan, you should really get yourself a gimbal to kill this shutter you get. And keep up the awesome work you are doing.
Damn Ryan, nice job gettin' up close with that camera work. You've got a little gimbalgod in you haha!
Yea but she could carve a 2 by 4 with no shoe on tho
I did want to have a surfing feeling while snowboarding but idunno about this. I guess i will try one time for "science" . Qapla' !
Feel like I'm resurecting the dead with this post but as someone thats been training with no highbacks and stiff boots for years now. It teaches a more effective and balanced heel edge initiation and control with down weighting and peddleing/foot steering to create the pressure under the heel and not over the snow which is what happens when 90% of people crank on a highback. Katie said it herself, you have to get creative, you dont have a lever or same level of support any more. I still deep carve to this day on grromers without them but it also helps with mobility in the park and when riding powder it is literally surfing.
Maybe Katie was using the rebound to get in edge? Awesome to see her carve!
I love how Ryan looks like a beginner without his highbacks! 😊Nice feeling for me cause I started snowboarding this year and I am not a pro...? 😂
I snapped half of my highback off getting off a lift. I still ride and don't feel any difference. one day I will be able to get a new set of bindings.
respect loving all your vids
And Those snappy turns bravo gurrrrrrrl.
Try this. K2 Maysis HB on Clicker HB without the highbacks. The turns come from the sole of your boots. I hope to make it work on my new Donek Knapton twin when it's delivered. Its build 160 - 9.2 - 28w - stiff. I hope I got the combo right.
Omg, she is so awesome
I rode a pair of flow freeballers I didn’t like it much but in deep powder I could see how it would work well
If you ride with very stiff boots and very little forward lean I suspect many would barely notice the removal of their highback. If you run softer boots or a ton of forward lean then it's going to feel VERY strange to lose that support.
do you ride a boarder cross board? that could be the reason that her experience would be different. I think a looser parkier board would be more conducive to no highbacks.
Alpha K.T girl....woot woot
Doesnt the highback keep your feet in a center position of the board? I meen wouldnt removing them give you more heeldrag and a diffrent balancepoint?
The boot does fit about a cm further back without the highbacks. The biggest thing is just nothing there to help drive pressure into the edge. (Especially for me with the extra wide board where I need that leverage from the highbacks even more IMO).
My first ever snowboarding i rented from the mountain and they gave me clip ins with no highbacks. I could not get the heel side edge for the life of me.
Hello what stance or degrees did you set on your bindings please?
speaking of surfing the snow, what do you guys think of never summer boards?
I'm so bummed I didn't try this this past season!
I just went 60 ft and this was a bad idea..... oh man I just did a demo day recently on skis and so know that feeling. “These skis will be really fun, most recommend for your skill level!” Get to top of lift: “ohhhh shiiiiii no! Nope nope! Waaaaa I have to ride these things all the way back down no!”
Omg that was hilarious.
I’m. Surfer and snowboarder ! I will try it too ! Let you know ! I will use a Bataleon triple base is all ready type a board surfing feel ! You shoot try bataleon first ! And get use to it ! Bks your memory muscle still in the hi backs ! Good luck 😜😜😜😜😂😂
I have been riding for 27 years and 90% of the time I don’t rock highbacks. Early snow or super icey conditions I put the backs on. It just makes it more of a wild surf down the mountain. Great chaos
Wondering if this together with skate tech works better
Are both her feet angled downhill? If so, does that also contribute to a surfing style of boarding?
6:46 lol!
Nick Way “ I am not having fun “
Katie is straight fire lmao
Hmm... This is really interesting to me. Highbacks with a lot of forward lean means you can keep the board under you better right? Meaning, while carving heel-side, if you have little to no forward lean on your highbacks, due to limitations of human anatomy and the inability to raise the front of your feet towards your shin very much, the rider has to lean back more risking slipping out. So either she just has greater range of motion in her ankles than most or her much lighter body weight means her threshold of washing out is more forgiving, or perhaps some combination of both. I don't know. Correct me if I'm wrong... just a thought.
Solid theory. The reason this video sparked my curiosity is just recently, I found out that I ride much better without any forward lean and I think it has a lot to do with my downhill longboarding past. While the movements don't transfer 100%, I'm very used to steering a board downhill with just the friction of my shoe against the grip tape and weight distribution. As soon as I zeroed out my highbacks, it was like a dog unleashed and my maneuverability jumped up dramatically. What she does at 2:26 is exactly the first thing you'll notice when your highbacks are out of the way: Freedom to be extremely squirrelly which helps tremendously for riding between the trees on single tracks when the snow is heavy and tracked out between the runs (typical Tahoe "wet-cement" snow conditions). Of course, big & wide powerful carves aren't as easy to do without any forward-lean but I was never good at that anyway. ;) Now I want to try getting rid of my highbacks entirely because of this video.
this vid was sick
Been riding without high backs since the 90’s
Hehe Katie smoked you Ryan ! 😂😉
Girl powerrrrrr!!!💋🤩😉👍👌✌️😃
Definitly really hard on a super wide board i guess...but on a normal board its pretty easy after a few runs, but beware when stopping you can catch the toe edge. I think its very good training beacuse you have to ride perfect to make it work. I had a friend Rasmus who rode really soft boots, no highbacks and Doughboy/Grocer like a champ, fast in the trees and even doing 540s so, also Mike Ranquet never uses highbacks ive heard.
I always remember Mike R's vid parts being annoying to me because they cut so many of his landings as soon as his board touched the snow... Last year after I made this video (and yup that's true on his no highbacks), I rewatched one of his parts, and it looked like almost every trick that he landed on his heels, we're the ones they cut early and didn't show him riding away. I'm pretty sure it was cuz of the no highbacks!
i cut the highbacks off my old board, it was grat for tweaks
Maybe it's her boots? I also noticed that she has heel hang. Not great for laying down, but maybe better for getting on edge. There's some science to learn here!
Yeah I think it's both a function of her stiff boots vs the mushyness of mine), and the widths of our boards. Mine is so wide I really need the leverage of the highbacks to get my board tilting on edge properly.
Did you hire David Jones to do editing for you? ))
:D. Your comment means I'm getting better at it! :D
She’s fucking awesome
我的天 她太棒了！🥺
Seems like stiffer boots are key here. I'd guess Katie's were stiffer than Ryan's and that's why she had a better time.
i ride with no highbacks not because I want to but because I broke them and can't afford new bindings. Honestly can't tell a huge difference with stiff boots.
I ride without highbacks every day on my alpine setup ;)
Heck, even if you chopped off the top 3/4 of that style binding / hardboot, it'd be a heck of alot better than this garbage. 😂🤘
I’ve been riding with no high back since my examiner got us to take them off during our course around 7 years ago. My missions tore through the back of my boots and then Now bindings made a pair that had a low back attachement so you can ride with no high backs. I haven’t looked back and ride like that even in the backcountry. Give it a try, it’s fun!
Two things - either your board is 50 cm wide or you have really tiny feet (congratulations are in order anyway from someone with large ones). Secondly, Katie should be featured more often (if she's still on the team, given the time at which this was posted).
I see you're on Malatavitas. You should try it with Burton's Feedback. It's much better.
I don't even know what those are but I'll look into it.
www.burton.com/us/en/p/burton-freedback/W18-134621.html
Katie u r cool
😂🤙🏼
She shouöd try powdersurfing ^^
Great video. Wow weird seeing you sketchy and out turned. Having tried before it's harder than you think.
Even the lil jump I did... To me it doesn't look sketchy on the vid... But felt just soo awkward without having a the highbacks to lean into in the landing. Especially with the extra wide board I think is what made it extra hard.
would no highbacks be beneficial to park riding?
I really don't think so... Like say a FS 360 off the heels... You want a nice clean arc off of your heelside edge to create the pop off of the take off... And the leverage of the highbacks is what makes that possible. (That said, I'm sure Katie would still tear up the pipe without em after seeing this! 😂😂😂)
wow! the woman looks awesome on her heel side than you! incredible!
I look like a complete dork compared to her riding without em!
Yep. That girl can shred!
Dear Sir : I really have a question for all your butter tricks.
that is. when I am doing a frontside or backside 180 nose roll or forntside/backside nose jump 180/360 whatever....
1.Should I step(spring) up my back leg to spin while change my weight to front leg ?
2.Or Should I use a shifting motion to shift my weight to front like an Ollie ?
3.Or I just put my weight more forward on my front log and just use the upper body to turn?
which one is much correct? how to let my back leg lift more upward ?
Sorry for bothering you.
Won't be trying this one!!
Also would love to support the channel but can't stand paypal. Patreon anytime soon?
Maybe next year I'll do it. I'm just not sure what I'd offer and stuff like that.
Ryan Knapton it's more about being able to support than it is what is offered/given. Maybe patreon only Q&A videos, randomly having 24 hour only discount codes for donek, little giveaways like gear stickers?
What is Qapla?
When you practice more than one board sport you are more likely to be able to adapt to different conditions because you are used to different body movements and positions and you have muscle memory for the different activities you do. you are more open to experiment on spot and fit into unconventional conditions. There are people who surf more frequently than they do snowboarding so they might tend to stick to surfing body movement on snow and maybe use the opportunity to practice for surfing more and are not really interested in doing really really good carves :) . I seen many videos on RUclips where they suggest that if you want to start surfing you can start practicing with the body movement on a skateboard.
it's her boots, Ryan
What boots is she using?
Maybe this is a sign you need stiffer boots! ;P
😂 😂
I just wonder how it would be to see Ryan Knapton on a rocker board. I guess you hate this idea, but imagine how many views :D 🤔
HAHAHAH Love you ryan
no highbacks in powder :P
These snowboard boots are highbacks now. So fucking stiff.
Ryan, are you gonna try this?
I did in this vid! 😂🤣😂
Ryan Knapton whoops jus saw the whole vid now. Don’t mind me ... all those Grateful Dead shows still have their lasting effects
WHo the hell is this one hater that downvotes videos? Expose yourself!
I love riding with no high backs, I reckon if you skate you’ll love it, however if you really depend on bombing fast, carving, and don’t care about tricks you’ll want to keep your high backs on
go get double deck snowskate for fun sake
The very old snowboarder says: "Around 1992 or so when the skate / jib style came into vogue, everyone was cutting down or just removing their highbacks. Frankly, once I took them off I never wanted to put them back on - and virtually all I do now that I'm an old af geezer is power carves, steeps and powder. And even still I much prefer without them. Just a nice stiff boot and good bindings works for me."
I´ve Been riding with no highbacks for several seasons now, acutally since I read this article from Mike Ranquet, snowboarding.transworld.net/uncategorized/the-theory-of-no-highbacks-by-mike-ranquet/.
Yes, it sure does require a different technique and muscle power, also a stiff stable boot is preferable. I currently ride with 32 TM-Two and they give plenty support. I like the looser and surfier feel and also that I have to put in more work and really commit to each turn. It certainly has improved my riding to the better.
At last different video (carving carving carving ...)