Even if that's true you, can't be charged of a breach/crime and be judged on a new law.. Well in the real world you can't, but i guess this is football they'll make it up as they go...
Cry about chelsea all you want, fact is without them, the super league would've already started.The americans will jump ship in a heart beat as will city if the 115 charges actually stick. Then any financial regulation goes out the window.
Well they managed to dodge a bullet like that already, when the PL/FA brought in the rules for associated 3rd party sponsorship it only related to future / new deals and didn't apply to historic or retrospective sponsorships, just another dodgy rule that suited City and other Big 6 clubs.
And then they leave for the super league and the rest of the domino's begin to fall. Abramovic was the only owner standing in the way of the super league and you all hounded him out under the false pretence of being a war criminal - for nothing more than paying taxes in his home country. Using the same logic, you're responsible for the million murdered civilians in Iraq because you paid taxes to the uk government. Yall actually deserve the Premier league to crumble because of your fickleness and inability to support the clubs who hold your values at heart.
Yeah, no. Even ignoring the fact that these rules would only apply *beginning next season* (and if a team broke the rules of previous seasons, they still gained an unfair advantage and are subject to punishment)... Even under these new changes, Man City broke *actual laws* (like lying on official financial documents and money laundering) and would still be in violation of the new rules if they committed the same acts under the new rules! Yes, I *am* still worried they'll lawyer their way out of facing consequences for the charges, but *not* because of these new rules.
@@russellward4624 LOL Oh, another gaslighter! It was already proven *in court* that Man City's owners falsified documents, and UEFA *proved* it, fined Man City £50 million, and later put a 2-year European competition ban on Man City - which Man City got off of only due to the "technicality" that the statutes of limitation had passed (which it only passed because they *delayed* the ruling by obstructing the investigation)! Take you pathetic gaslighting somewhere else, cheater lover!
I can imagine club owners in a room with the authorities all arguing for the right to spend more money and Daniel Levy sitting quietly at the back sweating.
Man City are not being charged with any breach of PSR rules, old or new. This is a massive misconception. They are being charged with, basically, accounting fraud, which is far more serious. The Premier League are accusing them of putting money into their accounts that didn't exist.
Let's be clear, the old rules still applied when they did and anyone who broke them is still liable (and that at least *should* include Man City - more on them later)! For a more simple (purely hypothethical) example, the rule currently states you're not allowed to have >11 players on the field. If a team fielded 12 for multiple games, and they changed the rule *now* to allow 12 players - sorry, those teams fielding 12 still were gaining an unfair advantage by fielding 12 over the teams that only fielded 11! And if one team was currently under trial for fielding *115* additional players (and had 126 players on the field while other teams played by the rules and only fielded 11), then yes, that trial still moves forward because they *still* broke the rules for a *major* unfair advantage! Oh, and it should also be noted, even with the rule changes being suggested, Man City *still* would be in breach of them if they did what they did today with the new rules! Again, in the analogy above, they can increase the number of players a team can play to 12, or even 14, or even 20, and Man City *still* would be in *massive* breach of that by fielding 126 (again, it's an example for simplicity sake. The point is, Man City broke the rules *and the law* so severely, no amount of rule changes will keep them out of violation of them! They literally laundered money and doctored their books! These aren't just rule violations, these are *major crimes* that are punishable by *prison* time! And the people being paid through these means, like Roberto Mancini, *knew!* He was being paid under the table, and guaranteed there were many others! No one better dare try to claim, "well the players and coaches didn't know, don't punish them with judgment." That's yet another defense mechanism to refuse to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation)! Hope that makes sense! I'll be happy to answer any further questions!
So they are getting rid of PSR due to it not being fit for purpose but trust the same people who made PSR up to have another go at getting it right.... That makes sense.. Yet the same people are okay with personal payments to Ref's from owners of a competing club, team's breaching T&C's and violating financial agreements is also okay, wonky var lines that don't actually make any sense if you understand basic mathematics and the protection of officials who clearly are controlling the flow and creating drama to maximise 'entertainment' is also okay. But you can't call it out otherwise you face fines and being lambasted in the media. Grim.. I could go on and on too.. This isn't a fair sporting competitive leauge, it's borderline a dictatorship masked as football. I and I'm sure so many others are loosing trust and faith in the Premier league.
Instead of basing it off the bottom team, which can change every season. Do an AVERAGE of the non-European slots. Even the average revenue of the entire league should be explored. This allows lower clubs to spend more, and don't forget the big guns are always lifting the averages up. This average revenue is still way higher than other league winners. This still makes EPL competitive, and maintains the no1 league in the world.
All these rules do is prevent investment in clubs. Some clubs outside the big 6 have extremely wealthy owners but are unable to continually break into the top four because they are limited to what they can invest. We are already heading towards having a 1 or 2 team league like France, Spain or Germany because competition is being sucked out year by year. The big teams profited before the rules were brought in and it's the rest that have to suffer now.
Wealthy owners don't want to have to pump huge sums of money into their club every year to cover losses. But if your competitors are doing it, you feel you need to do it too. All that "no restrictions" would do is result in transfer fees and wages spiraling out of control, and then it becomes a race to see who can go into administration first. Every club voted for the new rules, it was a unanimous decision, that tells you everything.
@RgjDj1878 but thats because Bayern have a monopoly in Germany. Thier wage bill is double Dortmunds and 28xs the bottom club. So they don't have to pay big transfers or wages because they're the only option in Germany and can't get into bidding wars.
@@russellward4624 monopoly or not they aren’t paying big money. It isn’t mega money to go to a game either. At the end of the day the rate money is going at in the prem it will become a bubble that bursts and everyone will suffer down the pyramid. This is a working class game and fans can’t expect to have to keep footing the bill.
@RgjDj1878 because they have a monopoly. Theyre the only club in the country that can pay high wages. That's why they sign every good player from their rivals. Their rivals can't pay wages that even Forrest can pay.
If the premier league really want to fix something thats actually broken how about starting with the abysmal standard of refereeing and VAR in the league. It is by far the biggest thing hurting their on-field product. These new rules is all just a bunch of shuffling around the deck chairs on the titanic especially while city and chelsea are allowed to continue cooking their books for a decade.
Teams like Newcastle and Aston Villa need to be able to spend the wealth they have available, which will only make the league better. They need to find a way to not hold back teams that are more than able to spend, and which would then be able to challenge the top of the table if allowed to do so. I dont know Villas or Newcastles Revenue though so not sure if these new rules will even help.
@@Hungdiddly Newcastle supporter here. You do realise where Villa are? you do realise the type of players Villa can attract? Villa are a massive club who can quite easily challenge the so called top 6 if they were allowed to, just like Newcastle can
villa are far from a “massive club”… They rely on Watkins, martinez and VAR to pull victories, which was evident during the Chelsea match. Villa have a long way to go.
@@Hungdiddly haha what a load of rubbish. sore chelsea fan it was a foul anywhere on the pitch get over it. if its the other way round they woiuld be crying penalty.
The wealthiest club in the world can’t spend, while a club in 500million of debt can spend 200m/season, giving 300k/wk contracts, with no issues… very sustainable 😂 Update to replies: I’m a Newcastle fan - I know it’s the owners that are wealthy, not the club. It’s not rocket science. However, that is pretty much a technicality in regard to transfer spending since it’s so clear they’d invest and spend what they want if they were allowed to. They’ve openly said this and their actions in other sports are a shining example that they don’t mess around given the chance. As for servicing any debt - I.e. United - yeah, but it’s still not sustainable in a loss making business in the real world.
So you're telling everyone that you don't understand economic principles. Debt is irrelevant providing it can be serviced through revenue and profits. Most companies have debts.
@@jimhuf8102 Newcastle can take out whatever loan it wants to, but it won't increase their revenue or profit. In fact it would reduce their profit because the debt servicing costs would be deducted from those. Newcastle is limited by how much money the club generates.
What I can’t understand is if they’re saying PSR didn’t work then what benefit does the new model provide? Essentially you’ve gone from being able to make a loss to needing to remain in profit by only spending up to 85% of your revenue? To me it sounds like even more of a problem than previously. The anchoring makes some sense though but these rules just don’t add up for me.
That’s where I’m kinda at also. The anchoring needs to pass or at least have some form of anchoring such as taking the league average team broadcast revenue as opposed to the lowest teams broadcast revenue. Otherwise I don’t see it working as well as we all hope, but if anchoring doesn’t pass then hopefully I’m wrong!
I agree! However I think with how wealthy some owners are they also need to implement a hard cap at some point to make it so the owners with hundreds of billions can’t just still overpay to win the league every year. Personally I’d do a soft cap at 85% of the leagues average team broadcast revenue. Anything past that gets fined 100% so 100M over would have to pay 200M, etc. Then I’d have a hard cap at 100% the broadcast revenue of the highest paid club (that didn’t qualify for Europe). This way any clubs can go over the soft cap if they’d like but there’s still a hard cap that no team can cross. I think this would be a fair approach most teams could get behind that wouldn’t clearly favor or punish bigger and richer clubs significantly more than the smaller clubs. Plus the fines paid for going over the soft cap could be distributed further down the pyramid
People are so deluded they dont understand City are still getting charged due to "allegedly" breaking the rules within the time frame they existed. While the top 6 want the rules changed before they are also in breach, as they only wanted the rules to stop teams like City displacing them in the first place. England needs an independent regulator because the original top 6 are out of control.
The top clubs have to comply with the stricter UEFA regs, with a squad cost control ratio of 70% and allowed losses of just €5m per year. If the big clubs pass the UEFA regs, which they have to, they absolutely fly through the PL regs.
Surely "Anchoring" by this description, will only hinder the European clubs the poorest championship promoted club is setting the budget for clubs in champions league, and europa league cup competitions. Why not just adopt the UEFA rules to give the clubs playing European football the best chance of European success which ultimately strengthens the national team as well.
It doesn’t matter how poor they are because it’s based on their broadcast revenue. Gives an incentive to split that more equally (or maybe even give the lower clubs more)
It's being scrapped because it's now affecting Utd, that's it. They and liverpool invented the rules through Parry and Gill but because utd are so bad it's constricting them. So their lap dogs at the Pl change the rules. It's a cartel and 15 PL clubs just accept it and blame City. It's mad how some fans just blame City while 2 or 3 clubs just change rules to suit themselves. Don't worry though, Carragher and Neville will be along to tell you it's the right thing to do.
The PL regs don't affect MUFC at all. MUFC, and all teams that play in Europe, have to comply with the stricter UEFA regs with a squad cost control ratio of 70% and allowed losses of €5m per year. No, it's not the big clubs voting through these PL rules. It was a unanimous vote. Every PL club voted in favour of them.
Can we really recognise any of United, Liverpool or Arsenal's historical success if they just rig rules in their favour? Luckily for us our owners were able to run rings around them
The top 6 clubs with these deep pockets should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of embracing ideas for rules that try to give more of a level playing field that in turn should create a better competition for every team and every supporter they continue to think about themselves and splashing their money around. The law/rule makers should think of a system for the good of the game's supporters. Not the owners, not the players. Think along the lines of finding something with principles along the lines of a Golf Handicap system. The best players always grumble about how many shots their higher handicap opponents get before the game starts. The best players nearly always win regardless but the game is more of a competition. If they don't want to do this then just bob off and form your elite club league and see how that goes...
This is bad, your affecting premier clubs in european competitions by doing this, like how MLS is limiting there potential they can have by a dumb salary cap rule
Salary caps are used to ensure a reasonably even competition and provides every club with an opportunity to potentially win the competition. You don't get a few clubs to dominate from here to eternity.
@@gustaaf1892 And that's why MLS is limiting it's potential ask any American and they will say to get rid of the rule, thats why they suck in international competitions they same will happen to premier league clubs if that happens
Just let clubs spend wot they want in my opinion but have a rule in place that if that owner of the wants too sell club that they have to clear deubts strait away or face instant points deduction or administration or relegation ,because you have mega rich owners at ncastle ,villa , bmouth that are not aloud to spend cos off ffp ,psr so they have to sell 1 of there stars hows that fair and its not fair compettion
PSR in theory is fine, not perfect but the concept is sound. Problem is the rules themselves havent been updated to reflect transfer fee inflation, wage growth etc so the £35m per season would have been more sensible in 2018 or whenever it was conceived but in 2024 £35m hardly buys a squad player.
There is a very simple solution. Each club can spend whatever they want on transfers, players' wages, etc. The catch is the weekly wages of each team's starting XI cannot exceed a certain agreed upon number. This will also prevent rich clubs from hoarding top players earning top salaries since you cannot field them together on matchday.
Whatever rules they’ll introduce the clubs with the mega budgets will get around it. There’s too much money in the PL. The PL itself is not going to limit itself on how much revenue they get from the clubs. It’s all conjecture .
“Just” 14 out of 20 clubs voted for PSR… so 70% then kaveh 🙄.. so majority voted it in. Not just the big clubs and now they’re wanting to limit the spending of big clubs… look at madrids team. They’re going to get mbappe, Endrick, alphonso Davies almost nailed on too! Apparently really keen on yoro from Lille. By limiting the spending of the big clubs, it’ll have a big impact on how they do in Europe and also the league! It doesn’t enable the smaller clubs to spend more, it’s just restricting the bigger clubs from spending!…. Being a lfc fan we’re 8/9th for net spend in the last 9 years.. spent hundreds of millions less than the other top 5. So I’m not biased with my comments. As I said 8th/9th in the table for net spend
The big clubs have to comply with the stricter UEFA regs. Those regs are the same for Madrid as they are for Liverpool. The new PL regs will make no difference to the spending power of the big clubs.
a fixed salary cap is either never going to happen. Or if it does, it will be at Chelsea/Man City wage bill levels and it will be completely irrelevant for 75% of the league. The enforcement/penalties for the PROFITABILITY and SUSTAINABILITY ruleset need to be limited to PROFITABILITY and SUSTAINABILITY. For example, the penalty should be something like restricted transfer budget, transfer window ban, wage increase restriction, wage reduction mandate, etc The penalties should absolutely NOT take points away from a club. These types of penalties do nothing to promote PROFITABILITY and SUSTAINABILITY. In fact, they could end up directly causing the exact opposite effect if the result is relegation to a club that would have otherwise avoided relegation. I can't think of anything more detrimental to a Premier League club's PROFITABILITY and SUSTAINABILITY than relegation.
It’s a new season FFP rules have been scrapped and Man City will start the league with a 15 point head start due to how well they have complied with newly implemented regulations 😂
Curious about a tax related to over-spending rich clubs to subsidize poorer clubs. The share portion would be distributed based on league position. Divide the table into 4ths. Bottom half brackets split 60% of the tax. Top half brackets split 40% of the tax.
@@stephenparker5421thanks for the suggestion. This concept is used in other sports leagues. Not suggesting that mine is the ultimate solution. Important to note that having the bottom three relegated to a league that produces less revenue is a strong disincentive to “tank”.
There should be a world wide cap of 350k and a minimum of 50k it would take away the money issues most teams have when it comes to buying players and more than likely players would go where they want not where had more money
Look, just let the clubs spend what they want on their own team, but deduct a team 10 points for every £100 million in debt. All these stupid rules are just stopping the best players coming to the premier league. Our league is getting worse every year and all because the top 6 cartel does not want any competition.
Punishing clubs for debt would mean that clubs couldn't build new training grounds, redevelop their stadiums, or build new stadiums. As for investing into the squad punishing debt would make it more difficult. Why? Because wealthy owners pump money into clubs via loans. Debt. Think about a team that gets promoted to the PL. They have a wealthy owner. He pumps £200m in via loans to buy players so they can be competitive in the PL. Under your rules that club would be docked 20 points. But if the rules are based on allowed losses, or a squad cost ratio, that club owner can make that investment because of the way transfer fees are expensed and losses calculated.
It' was all about protecting the high revenue Big Six Cartel and not allowing clubs like Aston Villa, Everton, Nottingham Forest and Newcastle to improve their squads. Many of the clubs with small revenues who vote for it are afraid of the Cartel pulling out of the Premier League. Squad cost control and anchoring just sound like more nonsense. In terms of FFP the ceiling was set in circa 2012 with no indices. Another piece of tosh.
Wow, if you have a bigger fan base should you not be able to spend more ? Villa in top 4 with current rules and they are going to be more in favour for teams like villa if they new rules come into play ? Players like Watkins and Luiz will want to move on from a club like villa . Spurs never in top 6 until 10 years ago ??
@creepingbrain then a sugar daddy comes along and invests billions into turning it around and next thing you know you're in the champions league. Why shouldn't that be allowed??? Just so long as there are some kinds of rules around the new owners from stitching up the club like that pompey bloke it shouldn't be an issue
Ultimately owners should be able to spend what they want but they should have to sink it in cash in an account they cant touch. No leveraged debt. Wages capped to 85%. No club could then go out of business. The money is secured, wages unable to outstrip income.
But this is gonna disadvantage smaller clubs, they can't compete with the bigger teams If anything bigger teams can bypass this easily, this will keep bigger teams at the top This is football, you can pay via back doors
Because Mr Masters has realised he will never send Everton down via points deductions ...plus nobody signed any players in Jan which makes the league look bad
All these rules would mean nothing until it is enforced, NOT just for clubs at the bottom of the table but also to those who managed to win the league by breaking the rules.
La Liga and Ligue 1 will love this. Just make Real and Barca and PSG stronger even Bayern. As they can offer better contracts and the prem will lose its mojo and make all the other leagues stronger.
Kaveh has not read UEFA's rules. Squad Cost includes: Amortisation. Agents Fees. Manager's Salary. Any fees for a manager. Team's salary. Minus transfer fees in.
It's being scrapped because the big clubs don't like it, pure and simple. They want to be able to spend as much money as they like in order to keep feasting at the top table, and if there's any kind of tax to pay for that, so be it, they can easily afford it. And of course all the smaller clubs in the Prem will vote it in, because they don't want to risk losing their slice of the money pie.
Changing rules because Man Utd and Arsenal are getting close to threshold. Only clubs not close are Man City ( prize money from treble)West Ham (rice money ) and Liverpool.
News Just IN!!! : THE ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE HAS NOW ADDED A WORLD FIRST CLUB DISCRIMINATION LAW TOO THE LEAGUE RULES. the statement said ( with the deduction of the league club, the club 115 charges which will not be deducted due too the new rules. )
joke league of the world, all deduction should have happened in a different season due the time it takes to fix the problems, this is club discrimination and break the FAIR PLAY RULES.
None of the problems they listed with PSR are actual problems of PSR. Some teams violated the rules and are now having to pay the price and they don't like it. Meanwhile other clubs have been allowed to cook their books for a decade with impunity. All this does is introduce different rules that some clubs will work hard to cheat around. Until the league gets serious about punishing City and Chelsea's shenanigans there will no legitimacy to any of their rule enforcement whatever those rules are.
So will the new rules be punished with points deductions for breaching these new rules or will it all be just financial penalties and a fine just become part of the transfer cost?
The same charges apply to Chelsea and Man City,as they did to Forest Everton and Sheff Utd,so because the Premier League didn't want to act on that means Chelsea and Man City won't get a points deduction,too big a name !!!!
Just because you put the word "fair" in too something like FFP doesn't make it fair. Squad cost control rules sound more like something that could even out the playing field a bit. But, reality is that some clubs (Man city) will undoubtedly find ways around this by paying a players father, an uncle, a mother, probably their cat from a separate account. I do like the general sound of this but it has to be heavily regulated and any failing to follow these rules must be SEVERELY punished.
Never heard the word “salary cap” used so much outside the US. If passed, the American influence in English football is now complete lol. I think it’s funny that Chelsea, owned by Americans, with its outrageous spending has pushed this agenda forward. Throw in ManU who’s a big opponent of anchoring (though more from the Radcliffe camp)
The stated outcome of the PSR rules is to stop clubs going out of business. Nothing more, nothing less. I think the premise is nonsense to begin with. Businesses need to be able to make their own decisions on what’s best for it. Whether that’s Forest selling Johnson later for more money, or Everton with their stadium and capitalisation nuances. What happens if Forest get relegated because they made the correct business decision but yet are punished by contradictory rules to stop businesses going bankrupt? The game is football, not accountancy simulator. “Man City this, Man City that” - they won those trophies on the pitch.
@@dannybradley8391 I never said that. Nor do any of these rules stop it from happening. It’s definitely appropriate at the EFL level but then FFP rules haven’t stopped the ridiculous situation at Reading. Derby, Bolton, Bury. Endless others. Then again, ownership tests at the EFL level are weaker than the PL, which is how Dai Yongge ended up owning Reading and not Hull who were in the PL. One way or another the rules need changing. Points deductions should only be in extreme cases, not the norm.
@@Omnipotent-Q So what should they do because a fine is counterproductive and ineffective? In the end the punishment is there as a deterrent and I am unable to think of one which would be as successful in this as what a deduction of points is.
Get rid of the PSR, FFP nonsense. Juz implement salary cap & penalty system. Teams can spend 80% of their revenue, if team spend over 80% of it revenue. Then the club will hav to pay a certain amount of fine. Example for every 1% over 80% penalty will b £10Million
Oh no! The so-called Big Clubs might have to attract talent with thing other than money!! About time this was done. Wages and transfers are getting silly now
If the top 6 dont think its fair, why dont they just level the tv money across the league then it makes it fair for everyone..? No chance of that though 😂
What about Man City , their books are fudged, they basically sponsor themselves and everyone knows they dont have a fan following compared to the other top 5 clubs, but show revenue which is only on paper, this works well for them
Don't need a 6 min conversation, it's simple, so they don't have to deduct points from Man City & Chelsea.
Chelsea haven’t been charged and were not guilty. City are different
@@nathanhenry7692chelsea need to make up €100m in sales in the next year or two otherwise they dont meet the criteria (i think)
Even if that's true you, can't be charged of a breach/crime and be judged on a new law.. Well in the real world you can't, but i guess this is football they'll make it up as they go...
Cry about chelsea all you want, fact is without them, the super league would've already started.The americans will jump ship in a heart beat as will city if the 115 charges actually stick. Then any financial regulation goes out the window.
It’s should go back to the time of the offense, so the penalty should be points deduction
Even if they change the rules, Man City FFP was before the changes so the old rules should apply for them
key word being "should". with how the world works, they're gonna scrape the charges when they make the change. there's no justice left
Well they managed to dodge a bullet like that already, when the PL/FA brought in the rules for associated 3rd party sponsorship it only related to future / new deals and didn't apply to historic or retrospective sponsorships, just another dodgy rule that suited City and other Big 6 clubs.
@pablodrogo City aren't charged with PSR. This is PSR not FFP.
And then they leave for the super league and the rest of the domino's begin to fall. Abramovic was the only owner standing in the way of the super league and you all hounded him out under the false pretence of being a war criminal - for nothing more than paying taxes in his home country. Using the same logic, you're responsible for the million murdered civilians in Iraq because you paid taxes to the uk government. Yall actually deserve the Premier league to crumble because of your fickleness and inability to support the clubs who hold your values at heart.
It's to let of yhe cheating clubs city and Chelsea if nothings done other teams should refuse to play them
Getting rid of PSR so Man City get away with the 115 charges.
It would only start in the 2024-25 season but City aren't charged with PSR so it wouldn't matter even if it didn't.
Yeah, no. Even ignoring the fact that these rules would only apply *beginning next season* (and if a team broke the rules of previous seasons, they still gained an unfair advantage and are subject to punishment)...
Even under these new changes, Man City broke *actual laws* (like lying on official financial documents and money laundering) and would still be in violation of the new rules if they committed the same acts under the new rules!
Yes, I *am* still worried they'll lawyer their way out of facing consequences for the charges, but *not* because of these new rules.
If you waiting for PSR to make your club compete with Man City then keep waiting
@mazdakmina9493 what's you're evidence for this claim because eufa had no evidence at all to support that claim. The PL has no new evidence.
@@russellward4624 LOL Oh, another gaslighter! It was already proven *in court* that Man City's owners falsified documents, and UEFA *proved* it, fined Man City £50 million, and later put a 2-year European competition ban on Man City - which Man City got off of only due to the "technicality" that the statutes of limitation had passed (which it only passed because they *delayed* the ruling by obstructing the investigation)!
Take you pathetic gaslighting somewhere else, cheater lover!
Are they scrapping them so that City can get away with 115?!
I can't see Richard Masters surviving that - and I don't mean his job.
Ye they will get a massive fine instead of being relegated down the pyramid
Whatever law comes in play, it won't be retrospective.
No. We’ll still be tried over current rules. Charges came in against current rule set.
No.
I can imagine club owners in a room with the authorities all arguing for the right to spend more money and Daniel Levy sitting quietly at the back sweating.
😂😂😂 nah man
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the owners loot these clubs in many ways, including mad consultancy fees. they dont care about the game and we are just forced to take it.
"I'm nipping out to the bog guys" 😂
Sat at the back texting his team to commence the water park & rollercoaster designs for the stadium
City charged against old rules. These dont apply to 115 charges.
Yes it's very possibly corrupt
Then you know f all about the charges.. Do you know the rules have to be voted by 20 clubs? City is even against the new rules
Man City are not being charged with any breach of PSR rules, old or new. This is a massive misconception. They are being charged with, basically, accounting fraud, which is far more serious. The Premier League are accusing them of putting money into their accounts that didn't exist.
Only 14 need to be for in to pass
Definitely some brown envelopes passed out by city owners here.
So PSR isn't fit for purpose? Can Everton and Forest have their points back then?
Let's be clear, the old rules still applied when they did and anyone who broke them is still liable (and that at least *should* include Man City - more on them later)!
For a more simple (purely hypothethical) example, the rule currently states you're not allowed to have >11 players on the field. If a team fielded 12 for multiple games, and they changed the rule *now* to allow 12 players - sorry, those teams fielding 12 still were gaining an unfair advantage by fielding 12 over the teams that only fielded 11!
And if one team was currently under trial for fielding *115* additional players (and had 126 players on the field while other teams played by the rules and only fielded 11), then yes, that trial still moves forward because they *still* broke the rules for a *major* unfair advantage!
Oh, and it should also be noted, even with the rule changes being suggested, Man City *still* would be in breach of them if they did what they did today with the new rules! Again, in the analogy above, they can increase the number of players a team can play to 12, or even 14, or even 20, and Man City *still* would be in *massive* breach of that by fielding 126 (again, it's an example for simplicity sake. The point is, Man City broke the rules *and the law* so severely, no amount of rule changes will keep them out of violation of them! They literally laundered money and doctored their books! These aren't just rule violations, these are *major crimes* that are punishable by *prison* time! And the people being paid through these means, like Roberto Mancini, *knew!* He was being paid under the table, and guaranteed there were many others! No one better dare try to claim, "well the players and coaches didn't know, don't punish them with judgment." That's yet another defense mechanism to refuse to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation)!
Hope that makes sense! I'll be happy to answer any further questions!
So they are getting rid of PSR due to it not being fit for purpose but trust the same people who made PSR up to have another go at getting it right.... That makes sense..
Yet the same people are okay with personal payments to Ref's from owners of a competing club, team's breaching T&C's and violating financial agreements is also okay, wonky var lines that don't actually make any sense if you understand basic mathematics and the protection of officials who clearly are controlling the flow and creating drama to maximise 'entertainment' is also okay. But you can't call it out otherwise you face fines and being lambasted in the media. Grim.. I could go on and on too.. This isn't a fair sporting competitive leauge, it's borderline a dictatorship masked as football.
I and I'm sure so many others are loosing trust and faith in the Premier league.
Instead of basing it off the bottom team, which can change every season.
Do an AVERAGE of the non-European slots. Even the average revenue of the entire league should be explored.
This allows lower clubs to spend more, and don't forget the big guns are always lifting the averages up. This average revenue is still way higher than other league winners. This still makes EPL competitive, and maintains the no1 league in the world.
It’s based on broadcast revenue, which is distributed by the league
All these rules do is prevent investment in clubs. Some clubs outside the big 6 have extremely wealthy owners but are unable to continually break into the top four because they are limited to what they can invest. We are already heading towards having a 1 or 2 team league like France, Spain or Germany because competition is being sucked out year by year. The big teams profited before the rules were brought in and it's the rest that have to suffer now.
Wealthy owners don't want to have to pump huge sums of money into their club every year to cover losses. But if your competitors are doing it, you feel you need to do it too. All that "no restrictions" would do is result in transfer fees and wages spiraling out of control, and then it becomes a race to see who can go into administration first. Every club voted for the new rules, it was a unanimous decision, that tells you everything.
No these rules should prevent some owners like Newcastle buying an entire squad with 1 billion budget every season lol
Because it's starting to affect the big 6 clubs. Any other excuse is a lie.
How do our top clubs compete in Europe then? Are Real Madrid, Barcelona etc going to play by these rules, of course not.
They are the only 2 clubs that pay silly money outside of the prem and Saudi.
@RgjDj1878 but thats because Bayern have a monopoly in Germany. Thier wage bill is double Dortmunds and 28xs the bottom club. So they don't have to pay big transfers or wages because they're the only option in Germany and can't get into bidding wars.
@@russellward4624 monopoly or not they aren’t paying big money. It isn’t mega money to go to a game either. At the end of the day the rate money is going at in the prem it will become a bubble that bursts and everyone will suffer down the pyramid. This is a working class game and fans can’t expect to have to keep footing the bill.
Oh your mean that bankrupt club
@RgjDj1878 because they have a monopoly. Theyre the only club in the country that can pay high wages. That's why they sign every good player from their rivals. Their rivals can't pay wages that even Forrest can pay.
Give Everton and Forest their points back, admit you screwed it all up, and start again when you get yourselves together. Embarrassing.
Fine the 100 million instead. Cheats
No, they cheated.
The 85% rule just cements the status quo
I love how Kaveh explains it so clearly and precisely
If the premier league really want to fix something thats actually broken how about starting with the abysmal standard of refereeing and VAR in the league. It is by far the biggest thing hurting their on-field product. These new rules is all just a bunch of shuffling around the deck chairs on the titanic especially while city and chelsea are allowed to continue cooking their books for a decade.
Teams like Newcastle and Aston Villa need to be able to spend the wealth they have available, which will only make the league better. They need to find a way to not hold back teams that are more than able to spend, and which would then be able to challenge the top of the table if allowed to do so. I dont know Villas or Newcastles Revenue though so not sure if these new rules will even help.
Villa 😂😂
Okay.
@@Hungdiddly Newcastle supporter here. You do realise where Villa are? you do realise the type of players Villa can attract? Villa are a massive club who can quite easily challenge the so called top 6 if they were allowed to, just like Newcastle can
@@Hungdiddly yes villa. Do your research...
villa are far from a “massive club”…
They rely on Watkins, martinez and VAR to pull victories, which was evident during the Chelsea match.
Villa have a long way to go.
@@Hungdiddly haha what a load of rubbish. sore chelsea fan it was a foul anywhere on the pitch get over it. if its the other way round they woiuld be crying penalty.
The rules have not been used. That is the issue.
Just making Man City's case stronger,
why don't they just say we have accepted City's bride and would like to forget about them breaking the rules!
That would be great for the league
The wealthiest club in the world can’t spend, while a club in 500million of debt can spend 200m/season, giving 300k/wk contracts, with no issues… very sustainable 😂
Update to replies:
I’m a Newcastle fan - I know it’s the owners that are wealthy, not the club. It’s not rocket science. However, that is pretty much a technicality in regard to transfer spending since it’s so clear they’d invest and spend what they want if they were allowed to. They’ve openly said this and their actions in other sports are a shining example that they don’t mess around given the chance.
As for servicing any debt - I.e. United - yeah, but it’s still not sustainable in a loss making business in the real world.
LEt me take a wild guess. You think Newcastle is "the wealthiest club in the world"?
So you're telling everyone that you don't understand economic principles. Debt is irrelevant providing it can be serviced through revenue and profits. Most companies have debts.
@@gustaaf1892 problem is, no other club is now allowed to take on that level of debt otherwise newcastle would take out a massive loan
@@jimhuf8102 Newcastle can take out whatever loan it wants to, but it won't increase their revenue or profit. In fact it would reduce their profit because the debt servicing costs would be deducted from those. Newcastle is limited by how much money the club generates.
@stevenhaas9622 newcastle have the wealthiest owners in the world but we are very very far from being a wealthy club 😂
Bending over backwards for City and UAE.
Cancer in our beautiful game.
Everton & Forest want their points back!!
What I can’t understand is if they’re saying PSR didn’t work then what benefit does the new model provide?
Essentially you’ve gone from being able to make a loss to needing to remain in profit by only spending up to 85% of your revenue?
To me it sounds like even more of a problem than previously. The anchoring makes some sense though but these rules just don’t add up for me.
That’s where I’m kinda at also. The anchoring needs to pass or at least have some form of anchoring such as taking the league average team broadcast revenue as opposed to the lowest teams broadcast revenue. Otherwise I don’t see it working as well as we all hope, but if anchoring doesn’t pass then hopefully I’m wrong!
Next vote.... increase the lowest teams tv rights 😂😂😂 just because Leeds and pompey shat the bed I don't see why we have to strangle the prem with it
Uruguay won the very first World Cup -- and as a result, Everton have been docked another 6 points.
This has been waaaay too much Kaveh the last few days, I've reached my quota
Luxury tax > Salary cap
The MLB is the best example of how well the luxury tax works. Smaller clubs win the World Series fairly often.
I agree! However I think with how wealthy some owners are they also need to implement a hard cap at some point to make it so the owners with hundreds of billions can’t just still overpay to win the league every year. Personally I’d do a soft cap at 85% of the leagues average team broadcast revenue. Anything past that gets fined 100% so 100M over would have to pay 200M, etc. Then I’d have a hard cap at 100% the broadcast revenue of the highest paid club (that didn’t qualify for Europe). This way any clubs can go over the soft cap if they’d like but there’s still a hard cap that no team can cross. I think this would be a fair approach most teams could get behind that wouldn’t clearly favor or punish bigger and richer clubs significantly more than the smaller clubs. Plus the fines paid for going over the soft cap could be distributed further down the pyramid
People are so deluded they dont understand City are still getting charged due to "allegedly" breaking the rules within the time frame they existed.
While the top 6 want the rules changed before they are also in breach, as they only wanted the rules to stop teams like City displacing them in the first place.
England needs an independent regulator because the original top 6 are out of control.
I will put money on all they get is a fine , so they put a load of money into the fa pockets.
The top clubs have to comply with the stricter UEFA regs, with a squad cost control ratio of 70% and allowed losses of just €5m per year. If the big clubs pass the UEFA regs, which they have to, they absolutely fly through the PL regs.
To be fair, England's dubious ownership rules have damaged European football as a whole. Oligarchs and petro-states aren't good for football.
@@donjesson7160because the PL has no evidence.
@@Bdbtg28691and Barca and Real are?
I don't think you will ever get a "One size fits all" scenario
Finally some common sense.
Surely "Anchoring" by this description, will only hinder the European clubs the poorest championship promoted club is setting the budget for clubs in champions league, and europa league cup competitions. Why not just adopt the UEFA rules to give the clubs playing European football the best chance of European success which ultimately strengthens the national team as well.
It doesn’t matter how poor they are because it’s based on their broadcast revenue. Gives an incentive to split that more equally (or maybe even give the lower clubs more)
Wages don't strengthen teams
Simple solution for the big 6: give up a bigger percentage of broadcasting revenue to the smaller clubs. ;)
This spending limit (of 5 times what the least wealthy club spends) is a decent idea and much fairer than what currently exists.
And that's why many of the big clubs are lobbying against it!
But yes, I absolutely agree it needs to be in place!
It's being scrapped because it's now affecting Utd, that's it. They and liverpool invented the rules through Parry and Gill but because utd are so bad it's constricting them. So their lap dogs at the Pl change the rules. It's a cartel and 15 PL clubs just accept it and blame City. It's mad how some fans just blame City while 2 or 3 clubs just change rules to suit themselves. Don't worry though, Carragher and Neville will be along to tell you it's the right thing to do.
How is it restricting Man Utd they still have one of the biggest turnovers in world football
The PL regs don't affect MUFC at all. MUFC, and all teams that play in Europe, have to comply with the stricter UEFA regs with a squad cost control ratio of 70% and allowed losses of €5m per year.
No, it's not the big clubs voting through these PL rules. It was a unanimous vote. Every PL club voted in favour of them.
Can we really recognise any of United, Liverpool or Arsenal's historical success if they just rig rules in their favour? Luckily for us our owners were able to run rings around them
The top 6 clubs with these deep pockets should be ashamed of themselves. Instead of embracing ideas for rules that try to give more of a level playing field that in turn should create a better competition for every team and every supporter they continue to think about themselves and splashing their money around. The law/rule makers should think of a system for the good of the game's supporters. Not the owners, not the players. Think along the lines of finding something with principles along the lines of a Golf Handicap system. The best players always grumble about how many shots their higher handicap opponents get before the game starts. The best players nearly always win regardless but the game is more of a competition.
If they don't want to do this then just bob off and form your elite club league and see how that goes...
I don't watch European or international games and I can certainly not watch another competition.
You do know arsenal and spurs are 2/3 clubs that voted keep the PSR.
They won't retrospectively apply PSR to 115 and Chelsea Hotel Sales Ltd, but they also won't give Forest or Everton their points back, of course.
Because that's not how rules work.
@@russellward4624 That's right.
That's why I said they won't do it. You can read, right?
But it's very convenient for 115 and the Hotel Sellers.
Explain your issue selling the hotels? Assets they own?
@@mrgzola25 They sold them to themselves 🤣🤣🤣
I didn't think that needed explaining
@captainhowdy9845 it's still theirs so they have the right to sell it to whoever they want .
It’s being scrapped as part of negotiations with super Rich owners of clubs
This is bad, your affecting premier clubs in european competitions by doing this, like how MLS is limiting there potential they can have by a dumb salary cap rule
Salary caps are used to ensure a reasonably even competition and provides every club with an opportunity to potentially win the competition. You don't get a few clubs to dominate from here to eternity.
@@gustaaf1892 And that's why MLS is limiting it's potential ask any American and they will say to get rid of the rule, thats why they suck in international competitions they same will happen to premier league clubs if that happens
If the squad control rule limits costs to 85% of revenue, it still benefits the “big 6”. The anchor rule will never pass.
Just let clubs spend wot they want in my opinion but have a rule in place that if that owner of the wants too sell club that they have to clear deubts strait away or face instant points deduction or administration or relegation ,because you have mega rich owners at ncastle ,villa , bmouth that are not aloud to spend cos off ffp ,psr so they have to sell 1 of there stars hows that fair and its not fair compettion
PSR in theory is fine, not perfect but the concept is sound. Problem is the rules themselves havent been updated to reflect transfer fee inflation, wage growth etc so the £35m per season would have been more sensible in 2018 or whenever it was conceived but in 2024 £35m hardly buys a squad player.
Love the panel..keep up the good work…kaveh is 🔥..
There is a very simple solution. Each club can spend whatever they want on transfers, players' wages, etc. The catch is the weekly wages of each team's starting XI cannot exceed a certain agreed upon number. This will also prevent rich clubs from hoarding top players earning top salaries since you cannot field them together on matchday.
There’s always something new with this league
Corruption is as old as the hills, the only thing 'new' is that it's so blatant.
Whatever rules they’ll introduce the clubs with the mega budgets will get around it. There’s too much money in the PL. The PL itself is not going to limit itself on how much revenue they get from the clubs. It’s all conjecture .
So city can avoid being relegated
City aren't charged with PSR
“Just” 14 out of 20 clubs voted for PSR… so 70% then kaveh 🙄.. so majority voted it in. Not just the big clubs and now they’re wanting to limit the spending of big clubs… look at madrids team. They’re going to get mbappe, Endrick, alphonso Davies almost nailed on too! Apparently really keen on yoro from Lille. By limiting the spending of the big clubs, it’ll have a big impact on how they do in Europe and also the league! It doesn’t enable the smaller clubs to spend more, it’s just restricting the bigger clubs from spending!…. Being a lfc fan we’re 8/9th for net spend in the last 9 years.. spent hundreds of millions less than the other top 5. So I’m not biased with my comments. As I said 8th/9th in the table for net spend
I think that’s what they want more of spend smarter not more
The big clubs have to comply with the stricter UEFA regs. Those regs are the same for Madrid as they are for Liverpool. The new PL regs will make no difference to the spending power of the big clubs.
Their nothing to discuss, the people responsible are failing to uphold the law
a fixed salary cap is either never going to happen. Or if it does, it will be at Chelsea/Man City wage bill levels and it will be completely irrelevant for 75% of the league.
The enforcement/penalties for the PROFITABILITY and SUSTAINABILITY ruleset need to be limited to PROFITABILITY and SUSTAINABILITY. For example, the penalty should be something like restricted transfer budget, transfer window ban, wage increase restriction, wage reduction mandate, etc
The penalties should absolutely NOT take points away from a club. These types of penalties do nothing to promote PROFITABILITY and SUSTAINABILITY. In fact, they could end up directly causing the exact opposite effect if the result is relegation to a club that would have otherwise avoided relegation. I can't think of anything more detrimental to a Premier League club's PROFITABILITY and SUSTAINABILITY than relegation.
You mean man u and Arsenal yeah?
@@mrgzola25 that's what you took out of my comment? Yea sure, them too. Feel better?
Whys it taking so long to charge Citee 😮
It’s a new season FFP rules have been scrapped and Man City will start the league with a 15 point head start due to how well they have complied with newly implemented regulations 😂
It will kill the market if you squad cap likes wages and stuff
That's okay. Who cares about the market.
This is great👍👍
Curious about a tax related to over-spending rich clubs to subsidize poorer clubs. The share portion would be distributed based on league position. Divide the table into 4ths. Bottom half brackets split 60% of the tax. Top half brackets split 40% of the tax.
So then teams with nothing to play for tank games to get in the bottom half of the table toward the end of the season? Think it through a bit
@@stephenparker5421thanks for the suggestion. This concept is used in other sports leagues. Not suggesting that mine is the ultimate solution. Important to note that having the bottom three relegated to a league that produces less revenue is a strong disincentive to “tank”.
There should be a world wide cap of 350k and a minimum of 50k it would take away the money issues most teams have when it comes to buying players and more than likely players would go where they want not where had more money
Every league has a right to decide we live in a free market world!
Look, just let the clubs spend what they want on their own team, but deduct a team 10 points for every £100 million in debt. All these stupid rules are just stopping the best players coming to the premier league. Our league is getting worse every year and all because the top 6 cartel does not want any competition.
Punishing clubs for debt would mean that clubs couldn't build new training grounds, redevelop their stadiums, or build new stadiums.
As for investing into the squad punishing debt would make it more difficult. Why? Because wealthy owners pump money into clubs via loans. Debt. Think about a team that gets promoted to the PL. They have a wealthy owner. He pumps £200m in via loans to buy players so they can be competitive in the PL. Under your rules that club would be docked 20 points. But if the rules are based on allowed losses, or a squad cost ratio, that club owner can make that investment because of the way transfer fees are expensed and losses calculated.
Premier league is already hoarding all the talent with their ridiculous wages
Potentially a good idea just need agree on who’s revenue to use
It' was all about protecting the high revenue Big Six Cartel and not allowing clubs like Aston Villa, Everton, Nottingham Forest and Newcastle to improve their squads. Many of the clubs with small revenues who vote for it are afraid of the Cartel pulling out of the Premier League.
Squad cost control and anchoring just sound like more nonsense. In terms of FFP the ceiling was set in circa 2012 with no indices. Another piece of tosh.
Wow, if you have a bigger fan base should you not be able to spend more ? Villa in top 4 with current rules and they are going to be more in favour for teams like villa if they new rules come into play ? Players like Watkins and Luiz will want to move on from a club like villa . Spurs never in top 6 until 10 years ago ??
15 years ago it was the BIG 4 now it’s the big 6 ?? Can you not see the progression
Big 6? Who's the 6?
A club should be able to spend what they want, if it goes wrong for the club that the owners faullt
Then it just becomes a race to the bottom and lots of clubs would go into administration.
What about the fans, these are 100 Yr old clubs, no one wants to see them going into administration
@creepingbrain then a sugar daddy comes along and invests billions into turning it around and next thing you know you're in the champions league. Why shouldn't that be allowed??? Just so long as there are some kinds of rules around the new owners from stitching up the club like that pompey bloke it shouldn't be an issue
Ultimately owners should be able to spend what they want but they should have to sink it in cash in an account they cant touch. No leveraged debt. Wages capped to 85%. No club could then go out of business. The money is secured, wages unable to outstrip income.
But this is gonna disadvantage smaller clubs, they can't compete with the bigger teams
If anything bigger teams can bypass this easily, this will keep bigger teams at the top
This is football, you can pay via back doors
Not sure why it should be based on television revenue. Thats basically saying Sky and TNT control clubs spending or have i picked that up wrong?
‘We don’t think it’s fair’ 😂. No the issue is it’s actually FAIRER, which is exactly what the ‘media 6’ don’t want.
Exactly
Because Mr Masters has realised he will never send Everton down via points deductions ...plus nobody signed any players in Jan which makes the league look bad
All these rules would mean nothing until it is enforced, NOT just for clubs at the bottom of the table but also to those who managed to win the league by breaking the rules.
La Liga and Ligue 1 will love this. Just make Real and Barca and PSG stronger even Bayern. As they can offer better contracts and the prem will lose its mojo and make all the other leagues stronger.
Very easily circumvented as city have already been doing with inflated sponsorship deal eg: Etihad Airline sponsorship.
So get rid of it in time so it won't possibly affect bigger teams ?
They will give Everton and Forest points back so they can wave away Man City violations.
Get rid of VAR until you get fully automated offsides
They should limit the amount of foreign players in each squad . Look after ur own
Kaveh has not read UEFA's rules.
Squad Cost includes:
Amortisation.
Agents Fees.
Manager's Salary.
Any fees for a manager.
Team's salary.
Minus transfer fees in.
Plus, if you want to play in UEFA competition you have to meet 70% and not 85%, with maximum loss per year of €20m (ie being above 70%).
It's being scrapped because the big clubs don't like it, pure and simple. They want to be able to spend as much money as they like in order to keep feasting at the top table, and if there's any kind of tax to pay for that, so be it, they can easily afford it. And of course all the smaller clubs in the Prem will vote it in, because they don't want to risk losing their slice of the money pie.
Kaveh is so good at explaining football rules
Changing rules because Man Utd and Arsenal are getting close to threshold. Only clubs not close are Man City ( prize money from treble)West Ham (rice money ) and Liverpool.
What's Bournemouths revenue
What's Manchester city's revenue
I wonder who it's going to benefit out of the 2 clubs that seems fair and equal
The mid clubs will benefit from it as they might be on the same financial power as the top clubs..
Are you asking about City's real or reported revenue? Big difference between the two.
How about banning state owned clubs?
How about having an actual owner test that works?
They can't have it both ways. Otherwise award more points to teams with lower squad costs for every win and draw against bigger squad cost teams.
If they don’t punish City or Chelsea after they change the rules then shouldn’t Everton and Forest get their points back
News Just IN!!! : THE ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE HAS NOW ADDED A WORLD FIRST CLUB DISCRIMINATION LAW TOO THE LEAGUE RULES. the statement said ( with the deduction of the league club, the club 115 charges which will not be deducted due too the new rules. )
joke league of the world, all deduction should have happened in a different season due the time it takes to fix the problems, this is club discrimination and break the FAIR PLAY RULES.
So the Man City case will commence after abolishment of PSR? Are they trying to render the Man City Case irrelevant?
None of the problems they listed with PSR are actual problems of PSR. Some teams violated the rules and are now having to pay the price and they don't like it. Meanwhile other clubs have been allowed to cook their books for a decade with impunity. All this does is introduce different rules that some clubs will work hard to cheat around. Until the league gets serious about punishing City and Chelsea's shenanigans there will no legitimacy to any of their rule enforcement whatever those rules are.
So will the new rules be punished with points deductions for breaching these new rules or will it all be just financial penalties and a fine just become part of the transfer cost?
People need to remember we are not Americans
Anchoring. Can’t see the Cartel wanting that
Then why have PSR next season? It's an exercise in futility.
This needs to be completed fast however it’s done so that the EFL funding deal can be done
The same charges apply to
Chelsea and Man City,as they did to Forest Everton and Sheff
Utd,so because the Premier League didn't want to act on that means Chelsea and Man City won't get a points deduction,too big a name !!!!
What have Chelsea been charged with ? I'll wait.....😂
Just because you put the word "fair" in too something like FFP doesn't make it fair. Squad cost control rules sound more like something that could even out the playing field a bit. But, reality is that some clubs (Man city) will undoubtedly find ways around this by paying a players father, an uncle, a mother, probably their cat from a separate account. I do like the general sound of this but it has to be heavily regulated and any failing to follow these rules must be SEVERELY punished.
Just come up with a figure say 250 million per year no club could spend more than that per year on transfers would be fair
Never heard the word “salary cap” used so much outside the US. If passed, the American influence in English football is now complete lol. I think it’s funny that Chelsea, owned by Americans, with its outrageous spending has pushed this agenda forward. Throw in ManU who’s a big opponent of anchoring (though more from the Radcliffe camp)
The stated outcome of the PSR rules is to stop clubs going out of business. Nothing more, nothing less.
I think the premise is nonsense to begin with. Businesses need to be able to make their own decisions on what’s best for it. Whether that’s Forest selling Johnson later for more money, or Everton with their stadium and capitalisation nuances.
What happens if Forest get relegated because they made the correct business decision but yet are punished by contradictory rules to stop businesses going bankrupt?
The game is football, not accountancy simulator. “Man City this, Man City that” - they won those trophies on the pitch.
Your premise is all clubs would be run well. Many clubs could be run badly without constraints, then what?
@@dannybradley8391 I never said that. Nor do any of these rules stop it from happening. It’s definitely appropriate at the EFL level but then FFP rules haven’t stopped the ridiculous situation at Reading. Derby, Bolton, Bury. Endless others.
Then again, ownership tests at the EFL level are weaker than the PL, which is how Dai Yongge ended up owning Reading and not Hull who were in the PL.
One way or another the rules need changing. Points deductions should only be in extreme cases, not the norm.
@@Omnipotent-Q So what should they do because a fine is counterproductive and ineffective? In the end the punishment is there as a deterrent and I am unable to think of one which would be as successful in this as what a deduction of points is.
Get rid of the PSR, FFP nonsense. Juz implement salary cap & penalty system. Teams can spend 80% of their revenue, if team spend over 80% of it revenue. Then the club will hav to pay a certain amount of fine. Example for every 1% over 80% penalty will b £10Million
Clubs like new castle and city don’t care about money penalties. Take point of them! That’s the only currency they care about
Whatever they replace PSR with I bet the top 6 are still given an advantage over the rest of the teams.
To reinforce the glass ceiling futher
The rich clubs will keep winning, while the bottom clubs will always be in the bottom half of the table.
If this doesn't scream Government intervention required, I don't know what does
Everton did vote for PSR
The FA had gone after minnows like Everton & Notiingham Forest. Seems like the new rules are textured so that Man City can slither away discreetly
Oh no! The so-called Big Clubs might have to attract talent with thing other than money!! About time this was done. Wages and transfers are getting silly now
Why not the bigger your debt the less you can spend. I don’t think spurs or Man U are likely to vote for that
If the top 6 dont think its fair, why dont they just level the tv money across the league then it makes it fair for everyone..?
No chance of that though 😂
What about Man City , their books are fudged, they basically sponsor themselves and everyone knows they dont have a fan following compared to the other top 5 clubs, but show revenue which is only on paper, this works well for them