GLASS CPUs ARE COMING.
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Processors with glass core substrates are coming - but what does that mean?
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Don't let Linus handle glass CPUs!
Luckily glass is tougher than people give it credit for.
Because Glass Is Glass & Glass Can Break
Fixing a broken glass CPU video incoming!
Another 10K (or more expensive) CPU Bricked for the drop
@@Plutonium239MXRprince ruperts drop for example
I am glad these companies are being transparent with their technologies.
Common practice for public-traded companies to keep their investors. They surely don't do it because they're feeling nice
@@toothpac607 Woosh
@@toothpac607 "glass", "transparent"
@@toothpac607you took the joke literally
@@toothpac607r/woosh
Man I remember when CPU substrates were ceramic. Guess we're coming full circle?
They were?
@@FR4M3Sharma Yeah, I used to have an AMD Athlon 700 and it was ceramic.
@@FR4M3Sharmathey went to fibreglass as a cost saving measure. Not because it performs better.
good point, if anything we should be going back to Ceramic
because there are so much advancement being made.
it fact there was a time even ceramic ICE for car engines because it was a HUGE weight saver.
A lot of these great innovation gets blocked by American Junta for their own interest.
FULL aluminum car body was such an old idea but only now became a reality.
What were most of those ceramics made of?
Was it a siliconbased ceramic?
I worked at a fiberglass company and the person who was in charge of cutting the fiberglass material did not know that fiberglass was glass
That's extremely sad sorry
I was born a very long time before the internet existed. Nothing has changed. For a brief period after the internet really came into it's hayday, I had hopes. But do a search nowadays... Now think about doing that same search a few years ago. Freedom's dead. The rich and powerful always win.
@@daggers101I'm not sure the man who's in charge of "cutting the fibre glass" has much to do with company policy and financial decisions 😂 also I didn't know fibre glass was made of glass until now haha clues in the name I guess
@@TheWatcher-kv8jxyes, but what does that have to do with this comment?
They were working on a need to know basis
Now your future cpu **scratches at level 6 with deeper grooves at level 7**
Now what happens if Linus drops them?…
Reality breaks
Seven years of Intel's bad luck moving on to newer process
😂😂😂😂
@@FTreba 10nm ++++++
Flex Seal can’t fix that
What they didn't mention in the video is that the glass substrates will not be pure glass, there will still be other materials involved. So it's not just going to be a single fragile piece of glass. Not as fragile but also not as cool as it sounds.
Yes very not cool. The reason why they are switching to glass substrate is because they keep pumping the power up beyond the thermal limits of organic base substrate.
It is the good old ceramic substrate for high power electronics
Likely to be seriously doped glass, and bear no resemblance to actuall glass.
As someone who works at Semiconductor industry I am excited to see another revolution on the horizon
As someone who works on Semi manufacturing, time for more work for no pay raise... gdi
As someone who works in the IT industry, i look forward to having to replace all those defective Silicon Glass substrate mounted chips when they fail... 1.5 years after purchase whilst still in warranty... it will remind me of the 20million Fujitsu Hard drives with acidic encapsulated plastic drive controller chips and all the Dell computers and laptops with defective Capacitors they bought off Alibaba on the cheap.
@@BigBoiOnBoard i gave up and went to work kicking cones down the highway for £30/h and spending my shifts playing games on my phone between watching YT videos and doing 1 hours work in a 12hr shift every day.
@@5nowChain5all the money is in skilled manual labour jobs. I'm a nerd and a geek in my free time because having a fun job doesn't make anywhere near the same amount as I make now
@@5nowChain5 Mannn. What job you working bruh I'm trying to work that job. 😂
cant wait for a cpu side panel
the problem with glass cpus is that they won't get any airflow, because air doesn't travel through glass!
with RGB
@@leonro Nah air will travel via Bluetooth!
@@leonronano glass will be a thing in the year 2040.
@@GhostlyOnionflying cars dilemma
Synthetic diamond would probably be even better if you could do it at scale - it's an electrical insulator & isotopically pure diamond has the highest thermal conductivity of any known material.
While it would be unfeasable for Datacenters and Home computers, i could see this being a great addition for some highly specialized chips like AI chips or Super computer chips...
Expensive? Yes. But when you are making a supercomputer with the budget of a small nation i dont think artificial diamonds are gonna be too much cost if that means making that thing run for longer
@@GuardianWorld 1. Artificial diamonds are not just cheaper, but are actually more pure as well.
2. Diamonds are extremely overinflated in the consumer market, and are actually several orders of magnitude cheaper than they go for.
New synthetic diamond i9-19900k
Enjoy the half off price of $7,999
@@redroyal4287a lab grown 1 carat diamond runs about 800 -14000 usd. These prices will not come down soon. It’s great that you are aware that natural diamonds are overpriced by “magnitudes” although since the de beers cartel was dissolved and trust have been set up allowing great access to the diamond commodity exchange, prices are more consistent with demand, it would be even better if you provided something of value such as how to remedy diamond commodities being overpriced.
@@xxn9nesxxthat’s a steal!
Uhhhh, is it just glass, or is it like borosilicate? Normal glass will shatter if it doesn't like the heating/cooling cycle. That's why boiling flasks in chemistry use boron in the glass, making borosilicate
Would of been nice to mention why pure glass die's weren't able to be used in the past and the specific breakthrough that allows manufacturers to use it now.
its probably some composite
We've been using pure glass, ie SiO2 all along.
Source I study chipdesign
@@aswincvenu3958It isn't actually pure SiO2. The whole point is to introduce impurities very precisely to make semiconductor circuitry.
Sooo...Intel needs to support 130°C future operating temperatures of their CPUs. Like the glass window on my oven. Got it! 😁
Glass substrates along with the chiplette design have been two nice changes we are seeing in chip development. Both can, in theory lead to lowering costs of chips for consumers down the road.
Or it could lead to the same cost of chips for the consumer but more money in the CEOs pocket, which seems more likely unfortunately.
Lowering costs? Lol. Lmao even.
Good joke
as long as chip making tools are very expensive don't expect lower consumer price a.k.a not any time soon
Why do you all think that these companies are trying to lower the prices for consumers? The only "lowering cost" would be on the company end to save them money.
3:33 Look out, Riley! Evil engineer assassin sneaking up on your 6!
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glass have been in use in ltcc thick film and similar stuff for decades because of their high thermal stability so it makes sense for newer cpus to just use existing tech and get a nice improvement
Intel embracing the waste of sand memes
I'm looking forward to our glassy future. Future datacentres could look like the fortress of solitude from the first superman movie.
Transistors aren't getting smaller though. The nanometers used to relate to their size, but it was abandoned since the physical size limit has been reached about a decade ago
The logic footprint is still getting smaller. The transistors are getting taller vertically in exchange for smaller and smaller footprint. From planar to FinFET to nanoribbon this changes are expanding in the vertical direction but also shrinking in planar area.
@@kazedcat damn thats actually really raw
@@kazedcat I take my knowledge from this source @BranchEducation
I dont't know much but I don't see alot of people talking with so much ease about this topiclike you do
@@2slick4u. Branch Education is good but they cut a lot of details to make the topic more digestible. You need to read SemiWiki articles on each process node to see how transistor density is improve for every new generation. Basically gate scaling had stop but there are other ways of making the transistor footprint smaller. The list of techniques they use to cram more transistor per unit area is numerous making the transistor more and more complicated.
I like this transparent approach
underrated comment
This reminds me of glass substrate hard drives. They were terrible until they weren't then everyone forgot this was even a thing as technology moved forward.
Man, computer engineers can't be stopped! More more more! If only every industry improved this quick
Not every industry is this young.
Don’t worry guys, I’ve heard from a very important leather jacket that Moore’s Law is dead
There's one industry that's supporting computers in speed and that would be biotech. The speed of reducing costs and scaling production in this space is breathtaking.
Riley's energy is like a happy version of the Harkonnen Mentat Piter De Vries from Dune 84 if he was presenting Blues Clues. Oddly specific but I think it works.
Mr. White, this is glass! You're an artist!
me mum loves that show too
Sounds good, hope to see it in real world sometime.
I know one issue the industry is facing is a continual reduction in the supply of high grade silicon for the wafers, I'm guessing this glass substrate can be made out of lower quality silica? If not it will only exacerbate the issue unless we can find a way around needing such pure silicon.
Get ready to hear things like "I dropped my phone and the cpu broke instead of the screen"
this will blend well with the advances in glass data storage
What happens when you place a hot piece of glass on a liquid cooler?
Absolutely nothing. Also you don't put the liquid cooler on the substrate but on the package, the die cover
well Glass is more recyclable than Fiberglass so i hope that means less eWaste... except for Dell, they will find a way to make it eWaste even if we find a way to make electronics 100% recyclable
Can't wait to see all these broken CPUs
They've made a bridge out of glass, that carries all vehicle types, it can be made quite durable.
@ddpwe5269 those bridges are fairly thick
@@ddpwe5269 that brige just recently broke and people died.
@@ddpwe5269 In Kyiv we have one such bridge. It's quite infamous.
There are already incredibly low power processors, systems you could run with a hand crank generator, if a glass substrate will allow even more efficiency then we could run those same systems with a slight breeze or get more processing per watt, both are excellent things for different reasons.
They are working on it for years already. Would be nice to know which part of the process is the most difficult.
That lined up too perfectly with the cracks in my screen 😅
3:52 i freaking love this dude
More "vias" may also help move heat out off of the die and into the mother board.
Now instead of the die cracking and chipping the entire substrate will chip and break! Yay for the manufacturers because more sale 😂😂
It's more like plastic-reinforced glass fiber than than glass fiber-reinforced plastic. They use the same stuff (FR4 usually) for PCBs.
actually, glass coefficient of thermal expansion (CTE) is very close to silicon. That's why MEMS pressure sensors are placed on top of the glass 'tube' - to reduce the stress. I think this is actually pretty genius of Intel, but it's gonna be a hard time at the beginning when it comes to applying pressure when mounting the coolers.
oh shit, I didn't even think about that
"actually, glass coefficient of thermal expansion (CTE) is very close to silicone." You spelled this wrong. It's Silicon; made from quartz- Silicone is a rubber hydrocarbon made from petroleium. (Refined Crude Oil).
@@elvendragonhammer5433 thanks, fixed.
NP. I see ppl switch those 2 around all the time- though I would honestly like to see a proc on a silicone substrate layer- not sure how you'd go about making a flexible processor though lol.@@tro7e
so, silicon coefficient of thermal expansion is very close to silicon. Amazing 🤣
I remember from my student days a technology called S.O.S. or Silicon On Saphire. I think the word substrate means something different in this video. And maybe the technology never left the lab.
SOS is a variant of SOI where they form sapphire instead of glass as the insulator surface. It definitely left the lab. The use of 'substrate' in this video is, as you said, confusing.
They don't actually state that Intel has moved to SOI as their process, just that they are using glass as the package substrate. Packaging != process.
How long until theres a scandal of glass substrates cracking due to heatsink forces, heat cracking them or some other nonsense?
Won't happen, because those CPUs will get smashed in shipping and never reach customers.
3:31 Riley! Behind you!
What about ceramic substrates?
Why would glass be better?
Ceramic is very fragile
Because glass is fragile, more sales.
CPU on glass has been used for years for the controller of LCD. SHARP has built Z80 on Glass in 2002 and it runs on 3MHz.
kuremaClaimer
Many digital logic, including LCD driver, for display tech, this is not that tech, sorry
Most is embedded ARM now
@@lucasrem I forgot that I wrote this comment but thanks for your info.
Hey Riley, please tell me which hairspray you use? At 4:00 that is a impressive hold, your hair went back to exactly what it was. Please do share what hair products you use to keep that hold. Thanks. This is a genuine question guys, please upvote so that this comment can reach the top and I can get an answer.
0:17 In my class alone there were 4 people named Rahul.
In total I know 14people named Rahul😂
It's the outros for me lol 😂, and this is awesome tech
About the cpu heating up cause plasma in thin wire ,and elements have isotopes that have radioactive like potassium and other elements .I wonder if the use of stables isotopes of elements. They were saying you get rich if you find lead in the ocean for cpu .
Now why didn't they think of this before I got a CPU...
Makes sense, glass better thermal conductor, right? My custom loop is glass and it works great to get rid of heat.
Yes, but will the glass have RGB?! Honestly I expected more answers on a subject this critical.
the glass itself will not, BUT the cpu's transistors will now be able to see all the glorious RGB in your case, leading to an increase in their excitement and therefore FPS
"Glass is glass and glass can break" DON'T TOUCH IT LINUS
Can’t wait to see at what level it scratches
The end of the video actually made me laugh. Lol. Wasn’t expecting it to end like that. Earned that like.
Glass is also susceptible to cracking when cooling and heating quickly... I imagine unless they use a special glass mixture, it will not fair well for overclockers using extreme cooling.
Crystal should be able to withstand that
Hopefully they store easter eggs within the glass itself even if we cant read it. Kind of cool archiving using glass but will be cool for cpu as well
I can't imagine how they'd be able to etch the required circuitry.
0:23 rip bitrate
Opera singer reaches her highest note - crack crackle crack ..
Mr. Scott: The CPU substrates are cracked Captain. The computers canna work!
I want a glass vase made of those CPUs.
I feel like I'm missing the catch. If a glass substrate is better in virtually every way including simpler to manufacture (which sounds like cheaper) why wasn't it pursued sooner? There's virtually always a give and take in any and all engineering I wish we could have gotten into at least the surface of whatever down sides must exist with this method.
Interested to see how extreme OCers will prevent their chips from shattering into a million pieces under LN2. Or is the substrate a non-issue for cooling?
But why aren't they glass already? There must be a reason. It's not like glass is a new material or anything. That's what I really want to know. Is it durability? Does it cost more to manufacture? Is there some technical hurdle they still have to jump?
Because they have reaseached it for the past decade, is what they say in article at intels homepage
@@olutukko2681 But why? Why did it need a decade of research? What was the problem with it originally?
@@Sotanaht01 I don't know, propably for the same reasons it took us so long to get even to the current technology of silicon and fiberglass. I guess it takes quite along time to evaluate all the material choices and make long term testing for durability and stability. Also it's not like intel has been in a rush to unveil new technology when current standards have got them this far without major changes
And thanks to you too Riley!
Riley says, "we have shrunk transistors over the years...". I feel honored to be read the tech news by somebody who is a direct contributor to the ever-shrinking world of microelectronics!
IBM was doing this for their main frames in the 80s. Search for multilayer ceramic PCBs and how IBM mount(ed) their CPUs
CPUs substrate are made of fiberglass and epoxy? I thought they were made from silicone? Can someone tell me what is going on?
That’s interesting that glass is a better substrate for handling the heat. When I think about glass and heat I think about how it’s one of the most heat sensitive materials I know. Heat it up a hair too quickly or unevenly and it’ll spontaneously explode/crack. I’ve seen glass explode in my home outta no where with no clear reason not even heat
i love how a week later you make a video about how we're running out of sand
I would love to have a pure glass substrait (glass that's transparent) and see the actual die it's self. Now that would be cool.
Before I even begin the video, I must say that I am interested to hear how this technology works, for the typical high temperature at which CPUs operate, and coupled with the viscous nature of glass, I'm curious to know how this tech will function.
Maybe in the future the highest end chips will feature crystal-like substrates
You should have the special thanks that you had in the video also in the description
The background music/sound in this video stood out to me, did something change?
I wonder if the glass can be broken by someones voice... Imagine living with someone who's a musician that likes to show off their pipes... They go for that high note holding a wine glass in front of their stream and POP it goes along with your cpu?
The irony of this video leading to a previous video about the shortage of sand (used to make glass).
more information I'll never need but watch anyway
I'd be worried about those sub zero builds cracking the glass
Just a note because I hear it A lot. Current is a Draw from the supply it is not '' Pushed '' into the system.
Given glass fiber/yarn is an amazing insulator, it makes sense to use it further as a platform.
In the future will probably have computers running on lit up glass cases and crystals like we see in some Sci-Fi movies.
Kind of makes sense when seeing circuit "trails" in near glass surfaces.
Superman has crystal computer inside Fortress of Solitude
Not to mention the fantasy world where they create something similar tech using magic and crystals
Nice. Glass substrates and Graphene chips any possibilites ?
Great video!
Next video: The all glass PC
We're already using glass CPUs!
The title is a bit misleading as the functional area of the CPU is already mostly glass (silicon). The substrate is simply a part of the 'packaging' of the CPU, and fiberglass (like the name suggests) consists of glass fibers with resin as a binding agent. Certainly as more heat is generated due to increased transistor densities, the substrate benefits from advancements in materials science where the composition can be modified to meet cooling needs. I wonder how cool it would be (pun intended) if the IHS material eventually becomes more glass-ified, provided its heat-dissipation properties can be preserved.
The glass bonding could be done in such a way that it is permanent and the entire unit is a single piece.
So if you drop you'r newly bought cpu? It might just break?
Greenscreen looking kinda funky, no?
I still dont understand why dimensional stability is so important. Will glass CPUs be able to withsrand higher temperatures than fiberglass-epoxy CPUs?
Yes they want to pump more power into the package and the organic substrate is already reaching their temperature limits. Glass has similar temperature characteristics with the silicon die so they won't have to worry of the substrate melting before the die.
Glass stops quantum tunneling? Now that's a Nobel discovery right there!
Im just wondering why they couldnt do this earlier? I mean, its all technically silica still, so why werent they refined glass already?
Well, well, Riley. Looks like you've already buffed up for surf-season. That gym plan working out for you?
I can just imagine all the handling related damages during mass production.
@@TheBarretNL it's going to be awhile until it trickles down to OSATs anyways.
When you load up modded Minecraft and you hear glass shattering from your computer.
Some speculators: “Moores law is dead!”
Intel: how about glass
What happened to the 3 state crystals that were being researched for trinary that I read about at least 5 years ago?
why do we not make cpus a bit bigger instead? when i look at a cpu on a motherboard there is so much more space you could use
Thats too good to be true, where is the catch?
I thought this was going to be about Photonic Processing Units