A NEW PLAYER enters the NAS Market: Hardware Teardown and More

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  • Опубликовано: 24 янв 2025

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  • @apalrdsadventures
    @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад +27

    FYI: Ugreen confirmed on Kickstarter that their hardware warranty still applies when installing a third-party OS and they don't plan on blocking that functionality. Also, ctrl+f2 goes into the EFI setup screen without pulling the boot drive.

    • @ninitoboy8250
      @ninitoboy8250 9 месяцев назад

      Hey boss, are we sure it's still fine the warranty or maybe something changed? Thank you

  • @JeffGeerling
    @JeffGeerling 10 месяцев назад +113

    25:00 and that's why we subscribe :)

  • @Trains-With-Shane
    @Trains-With-Shane 10 месяцев назад +69

    Man. UGREEN has sent out a TON of these review units from the looks of my RUclips feed, lol.

    • @Ignotus.
      @Ignotus. 10 месяцев назад +3

      Same. I'd really like one, but unfortunately they're only available in either Germany or the USA.

    • @JealY666
      @JealY666 10 месяцев назад +2

      I'm in the same boat @@Ignotus., signed up to get notified of the starter but was disappointed when it was only USA & Germany :(

    • @Techonsapevole
      @Techonsapevole 10 месяцев назад +2

      I don't like a NAS which asks for my phone number

    • @Ignotus.
      @Ignotus. 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Techonsapevole Then flash it with another OS..

  • @puyolsmash1325
    @puyolsmash1325 10 месяцев назад +8

    I've been following reviews on this product for the last two weeks now, and you're only the second one that shows another OS running on it. Much appreciated!

  • @george_gav24
    @george_gav24 10 месяцев назад +17

    Seen a plethora of UGREEN NAS videos and this is the first one that somebody can install debiar or other OS, good job Apalrd

  • @tarad0nbr4n9
    @tarad0nbr4n9 10 месяцев назад +28

    Would love to see Proxmox installed on this NAS !

    • @daviddunkelheit9952
      @daviddunkelheit9952 8 месяцев назад

      Probably could as it comes with a factory installed version of Debian. Proxmox is Debian based as he stated in the end.

  • @zyghom
    @zyghom 10 месяцев назад +20

    that is the serious review comparing to another 10 that appeared on YT in last few days ;-)

    • @tomhackz250
      @tomhackz250 10 месяцев назад +3

      Really, they sponsored the entire homelab community lol

    • @geraldh.8047
      @geraldh.8047 10 месяцев назад +2

      They sponsored everyone and you can clearly see who amongst „everyone“ is just a shill and who does actual reviews and provides actual information and value.

  • @parl-88
    @parl-88 10 месяцев назад +12

    Would love to see TrueNAS Scale installed on that!

    • @UnderEu
      @UnderEu 10 месяцев назад

      Not enough RAM, no IPv6 support for apps

    • @marsovac
      @marsovac 10 месяцев назад

      @@UnderEu both incorrect. Ram is upgradeable to 64 (probably 48x2 as well, but can't confirm if it supports non power of 2 memory chips). And ipv6 works even on the base OS.

    • @Cynyr
      @Cynyr 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@UnderEuwhy would IPv6 support be hardware dependent? debian works, ipv6 works, scale should just work as well. so much of this stuff is all just debian under the hood.

  • @BadgersInTheAttic
    @BadgersInTheAttic 3 месяца назад

    I really appreciate that you explain *why* you do things, instead of just telling us what we "should" do.

  • @WunderTechTutorials
    @WunderTechTutorials 10 месяцев назад +2

    Loved the Debian section - one of the best videos I've seen on this device!

    • @sunnycloudy1337
      @sunnycloudy1337 10 месяцев назад

      nascompares tried installing unraid, proxmox and truenas and couldn't get them running properly, so the debian section is actually and totally pointless. ugreen marketing paying for this video, makes sense he didn't try installing proxmox on it

  • @daldom3847
    @daldom3847 10 месяцев назад +2

    Wow, you have done what others couldn’t do have driven them nuts! Bravo to you fine Sir!

  • @TF23DayRespawn
    @TF23DayRespawn 10 месяцев назад +7

    what's the idle power conumption?

    • @ultra.waffle
      @ultra.waffle 9 месяцев назад +1

      Some other reviewers reported between 25 and 35W with the default OS which is pretty high imo

  • @bsl2501
    @bsl2501 10 месяцев назад +2

    I really like that it is not an artificially walled system. The vendor supplied base system seems reasonable, hardware build quality looks really nice, plane Debian can be installed, awesome. Will definitely look further into this.

  • @kar1kam1
    @kar1kam1 10 месяцев назад +10

    astrologers announced the week of Ugreen on RUclips

  • @alreadynuked
    @alreadynuked 10 месяцев назад +8

    The volume on the mic is really low

  • @themacavelly
    @themacavelly 10 месяцев назад +4

    would unraid work on it as well?

  • @snowrang3r657
    @snowrang3r657 10 месяцев назад +2

    This is interesting to me. Was considering a Synology NAS but the hardware specs are a little lacklustre/dated. Was considering building my own TrueNAS system but wanted something more compact.
    This lineup could actually be a good fit. 🤔

  • @StarFox1988
    @StarFox1988 10 месяцев назад +2

    this looks like a promising little box, even if I had to remove its own boot disk to install my own stuff.

  • @ciaduck
    @ciaduck 10 месяцев назад +7

    Uff. The audio levels are really low on this one. -21.5dB. You might want to add a level check to your workflow. I had to turn my headphones up 200% to hear this one.

  • @fwiler
    @fwiler 9 месяцев назад

    I was curious how the backplane got power. I didn't see any connections besides the pcie. Did you see anything? I'm asking because I would actually take it out and put in my own controller so I could have 8 2.5" drives in there instead. But most cages take either 4pin or sata power connection.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  9 месяцев назад

      There is no connector other than PCIe, but a standard PCIe connector can supply a decent amount of 12v power.

    • @fwiler
      @fwiler 9 месяцев назад

      @@apalrdsadventures Very interesting. I've never seen a pcie backplane get power from the slot itself. Especially when they need 12v, 5v, and 3.3v and pcie only supplies 12 and 3.3v.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  9 месяцев назад

      It's not hard to get 5v from 12v

  • @DAVIDGREGORYKERR
    @DAVIDGREGORYKERR 4 месяца назад

    Would it not be an idea to go with a LENOVO Server unit and associated Library unit that connected together with the required cables and going with UBUNTU Server edition latest version and install the NAS package.

  • @trimfly
    @trimfly 8 месяцев назад

    have you tried to replace pcie-sata with smth else? it could be 6- or 8-bay nas with other relatively cheap adapter. i am curious if it will be supported in the UI.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  8 месяцев назад

      I have no idea, but they make 6 and 8 bay versions if you want to just get that instead.

    • @trimfly
      @trimfly 8 месяцев назад

      @@apalrdsadventures i've already backed for 4-bay version and now waiting for delivery). 200$ gap between 4 and 6 is too big even with current discount. without discount it is even more. i just was curious if it is possible at all. +2 disks for 40$ adapter sounds intriguing for me)

  • @hotrodhunk7389
    @hotrodhunk7389 10 месяцев назад +2

    Brother not trying to rush you but I could really use that VX lan tutorial right about now!!! I have half-heartedly tried three times to set it up.
    Probably have it completely botched. Right now I have two test containers on the same VX Lan net. Then I have a micro tick router OS acting as the default gateway. I think my issue is with the router OS. For some reason it can't get the VXLAN network to attach to the interface... Maybe I miss configured the VM in proxmox. Or maybe it was a bad configuration inside the router. Taking a break now I'll go back to it in a bit... I'm sure an hour after I figure it out your video will drop 😂😂😂

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад +3

      RouterOS supports (unicast) vxlan on its own, so it can be a member without using an interface to it. It doesn't support evpn vxlan yet.
      Otherwise, I'm working on that video

    • @hotrodhunk7389
      @hotrodhunk7389 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@apalrdsadventures thanks! I got it mostly set up now. Just have to add a couple routes to allow my development laptop to be able to connect with everything inside of that VXLAN

  • @LLL-tj4mq
    @LLL-tj4mq 5 месяцев назад

    Hi, I don’t know the status of your ASPM , but could you give me a rundown of the power top results and lspci results on your current OS?
    Specifically, I would like to know if all the devices connected via PCIe support ASPM.
    Looking at your blog post, it seems that the 10GBe NIC AQC113CS is not compatible with ASPM, which I originally thought was the reason it wouldn’t go below C3. Can you confirm this?
    03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Aquantia Corp. Device 04c0 (rev 03)
    Subsystem: Aquantia Corp. Device 0001
    IOMMU group: 14
    Capabilities: [70] Express (v2) Endpoint, MSI 00
    LnkCap:Port #0, Speed 16GT/s, Width x4, ASPM not supported
    ClockPM+ Surprise- LLActRep- BwNot- ASPMOptComp+
    LnkCtl:ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes, Disabled- CommClk+
    ExtSynch- ClockPM+ AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-
    LnkSta:Speed 8GT/s (downgraded), Width x2 (downgraded)
    TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt-
    Kernel driver in use: atlantic
    Kernel modules: atlantic
    But according to other posts about this chip, the AQC113CS should theoretically support it.
    www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/w1x6em/comment/igo918p/?
    Do you have any idea on this?

  • @DominikZalewski85
    @DominikZalewski85 10 месяцев назад +1

    Model with the i5 would make a nice proxmox box. Shame I cannot join the kickstarter in the UK.

    • @JealY666
      @JealY666 10 месяцев назад

      Ditto!

    • @th3r3v92
      @th3r3v92 10 месяцев назад

      Shipito and Forward2me are proxy services that facilitate package forwarding. However, due to VAT in the UK, it may not be worth it :/

    • @DominikZalewski85
      @DominikZalewski85 10 месяцев назад

      @@th3r3v92 Yeah I would install promox on it anyway so I think I might just get n100 mobo from aliexpress and 4 bay case.

  • @casperghst42
    @casperghst42 10 месяцев назад

    The reason why you can't set a low port for these services (and many services) is that then you need to do some funky stuff where you start the service as root to get the low port, then you need to fork to run the service as the user who it should run as (for security reasons). All of this is fairly well documented.
    It is much easier to run the service using a high port, than then if you really want you put something like NPM in front of it.

    • @Knirin
      @Knirin 10 месяцев назад

      HTTP aware reverse proxies aren’t hard to find. Nginx, Apache HTTPD, and lighttpd can all do it with similarly sized configuration files.
      Between C and Rust I know of at least 3 different dedicated reverse proxies. As you mentioned NPM comes with one. At least two Java based ones exist.
      Then you have the classic port rewriting rules with the packet filter. Inetd and Systemd can both do socket pass through.
      Pick any of the above and implement it. Never just accept running your web application on a random high port.

    • @casperghst42
      @casperghst42 10 месяцев назад

      @@Knirin if you don't want high ports, then address the situation like rewiring the applications or use a reverse proxy (or what ever you fell like).
      This is how it has been since applications servers like tomcat saw the light of day, which is a few years.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад +2

      They are already running nginx with setcap for low numbered ports, and the same nginx instance is proxying the HTTP / HTTPS UI and also serving a port 80 redirect. The web UI configuration is updating the nginx configuration, so there's no technical reason why they can't use 80/443.

  • @Chris.Wiley.
    @Chris.Wiley. 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the thorough review!

  • @kwtvideovault_1
    @kwtvideovault_1 9 месяцев назад

    Here's a question: If one was to procure the 4-bay NAS, but only populate it at the start with two HDD's, what level of effort will there be to install additional drives in the empty bays later on?

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  9 месяцев назад

      Depends on how you want to handle redundancy / what software you are using (Ugreen's OS or something else).
      In general if you buy two HDDs now and mirror them, then add another two and mirror them, it's not bad. If you want to switch from mirrors to RAID5, it's bad.

  • @NotMikeDEV
    @NotMikeDEV 10 месяцев назад

    Such a good price for the 4-bay 10 core i5. Unfortunately, they only ship to the US and Germany... and it looks like their retail pricing will be less attractive.
    After years of refusing to pay the "NAS premium" for a small x86 system with drive bays, I finally "caved" and bought an x86 based terramaster a couple of months ago. Quad core celeron for the same price I bought my i9 nuc-style server!

  • @michaelloving8004
    @michaelloving8004 10 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome power user move, because we can lol

  • @crush_override
    @crush_override 7 месяцев назад

    Is thay boot drive NVME 2280 size? Do you know what lane speed does it support (3x1, 3x3?)

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  7 месяцев назад

      It’s 2280 yes. I know it’s at least 3x2, not sure if it’s x4 or gen 4. That’s the limit of the ssd it came with.

  • @DrStoooopid
    @DrStoooopid 10 месяцев назад

    you should see if you can image that boot drive.

  • @mr_sab
    @mr_sab 10 месяцев назад

    What kind of sata chip in on there? I would like to dubble check if it supports the c state for power consumption.
    Lspci would great and thank you the videos as always

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад +1

      I forgot to add it to the description but it's here: www.apalrd.net/posts/2024/storage_ugreen/
      It's an ASM1164 though: www.asmedia.com.tw/product/17fYQ85SPeqG8MT8/58dYQ8bxZ4UR9wG5/ASM1164

  • @crystalyzzed
    @crystalyzzed 10 месяцев назад

    Subscribed before your channel goes above 100k in short time.

  • @wheels0234
    @wheels0234 10 месяцев назад +25

    that mic needs a sound check.

  • @unijabnx2000
    @unijabnx2000 10 месяцев назад +2

    audio seems really low for me...

  • @colinstu
    @colinstu 10 месяцев назад +1

    May want to read into LUFS and what RUclips suggests.

  • @zxcvb_bvcxz
    @zxcvb_bvcxz 10 месяцев назад

    couldn't you reboot to firmware via efi variables?

  • @Froggie92
    @Froggie92 10 месяцев назад

    low volume for some reason

  • @BladeWDR
    @BladeWDR 10 месяцев назад +1

    I'm sort of interested in this just because it's possible to install a real OS on it. I may pick one up and experiment with getting a zfs pool set up on it.
    btrfs, yuck. I really don't know why none of these premade NAS distributions opted for zfs instead of btrfs. The only one I'm aware of is the QNAP Hero firmware, which is only on their more expensive models.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад

      ZFS support in Debian is not built-in due to licensing (Linux claims GPL / Sun open source license incompatibility, BSD has no such issues) so zfs is out of tree. Canonical builds zfs for Ubuntu on their own.
      There's also the possible fear that Oracle sues, but given that OpenZFS is based on the last Sun release (and its license) the license is far more permissive than anything Oracle would ever consider.

  • @LampJustin
    @LampJustin 10 месяцев назад

    16:10 I guess if you're fine with 8gb of RAM, you're not doing intensive stuff anyways and single channel RAM would be totally fine in that case.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад

      True, you will hit bandwidth limits on the spinning drives long before the RAM. You'll hit limits on 4x spinning drives before you hit 10Gbps as well, unless you're going from RAM cache or the NVMe drives.

  • @TheUkeloser
    @TheUkeloser 10 месяцев назад

    Do you still have access to the BIOS after loading regular Debian, or is it ONLY accessible by removing all drives? I'm looking for something like this for running PBS for my cluster.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад +5

      You have to remove the bootable drives for it to go into the BIOS. I moved the boot drive under the access door and put a storage drive in the original boot drive location to make this easier. All three m.2s are PCIe gen 3 x 4 to the CPU (at least on this model, the N100 doesn't have enough lanes for that).

  • @Movies4118
    @Movies4118 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the review. On a side note - what is that wireless mic that you're using?

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад

      It's a DJI Mic. (Yes it's a very quiet video, my audio normalizing step seems to have failed)

  • @DataHoarders
    @DataHoarders 10 месяцев назад

    UHD?

  • @__Ben
    @__Ben 10 месяцев назад

    I believe in the BIOS if you disable the boot logo setting (somewhere in there...) you'll be able to use a hotkey to enter bios (might be ctrl+f2 from what i've heard) Also possible that slightly non-standard hotkey of ctrl+f2 works regardless of logo setting.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад

      I tried all of the function keys, although not combining them.

    • @__Ben
      @__Ben 10 месяцев назад

      @@apalrdsadventures Yeah, I've seen some people reporting ctrl+f2 working. Very odd, but I suspect it's to make it ever so slightly more difficult.

    • @th3r3v92
      @th3r3v92 10 месяцев назад +1

      In the past, I've had pretty good success on various devices simply running 'systemctl reboot --firmware-setup'. Though this is for UEFI, I believe there's a similar command for legacy BIOS too.

    • @klaernie
      @klaernie 10 месяцев назад

      I was wondering too - who'd build a non-uefi system nowadays.. so one could reasonably expect it being possible to configure grub to enable the uefi firmware menu entry..

  • @TT-pb5wk
    @TT-pb5wk 10 месяцев назад +2

    ahh they should let the user decide what system to use as boot

  • @JTM_djg
    @JTM_djg 10 месяцев назад

    I don't know if it's RUclips or your signal chain but the video audio is quite low.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад +2

      Normally I normalize audio during export rendering and for some reason it just ... decided not to do it, for some reason.

  • @LesKingBNE
    @LesKingBNE 10 месяцев назад +5

    video is so quiet

  • @AlphaGaming-di9qc
    @AlphaGaming-di9qc 9 месяцев назад

    I am wondering. Is the CPU upgradable

  • @ZubinSaxena
    @ZubinSaxena 10 месяцев назад

    I’d just wait for the aoostar 4 bay at this point.

  • @Darkk6969
    @Darkk6969 10 месяцев назад

    It looks alot like Synology but better hardware build and none of this only Synology branded hard drive crap. I wonder if they're going to have camera surveillance app for it which would be a killer thing to have.

  • @Yandarval
    @Yandarval 9 месяцев назад

    According to the Kickstarter page. The UGREEN NAS's ONLY ship to the US and Germany. So that is an utter failure right there. See the FAQ page. The shipping locations were updated on March 26 2024.

  • @samstringo4724
    @samstringo4724 10 месяцев назад

    They should put coreboot on it from scratch.

  • @urdaddy5153
    @urdaddy5153 10 месяцев назад +4

    -21.5db

  • @nyccontrabass3489
    @nyccontrabass3489 10 месяцев назад

    I see a lot every morning…

  • @Techintx
    @Techintx 10 месяцев назад

    So HW RAID? If so, I’ll stick with zfs.

    • @Techintx
      @Techintx 10 месяцев назад

      Though, I do like the tool-less drive install. The hardware is not bad.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад +1

      It’s an asmedia sata to pcie controller (no raid) and Linux md raid

  • @joaocordeiro198
    @joaocordeiro198 10 месяцев назад +1

    jesus dude, you made your video at 5% sound volume.

  • @elwinroyale
    @elwinroyale 9 месяцев назад

    Make the sound louder it's extremely quiet

  • @metamon2704
    @metamon2704 10 месяцев назад

    I would buy this if they actually shipped it to my country - as I understand they are only shipping to the US and Germany which is kind of riduculous.

  • @ikorbln
    @ikorbln 10 месяцев назад

    Looks like a Synology-Clone 😜

    • @nordexo
      @nordexo 10 месяцев назад

      it does doesn't it!

  • @DrStoooopid
    @DrStoooopid 10 месяцев назад

    This looks like a stripped down Synology.

  • @shephusted2714
    @shephusted2714 10 месяцев назад

    just build or buy a refurb pc and make your own nas - a much better way to go for both learning and your wallet

  • @BradleyBell83
    @BradleyBell83 10 месяцев назад

    This NAS is the worst thing to happen to my phone since that time Apple installed a U2 album without my consent.

  • @jayt-ph1xd
    @jayt-ph1xd 10 месяцев назад +4

    Voice to low

  • @caseyknolla8419
    @caseyknolla8419 10 месяцев назад

    That UI is such a shameless Synology rip off

  • @BGraves
    @BGraves 10 месяцев назад +2

    This is a Chinese brand. The same nation that builds complete replicas of neighboring nations' capitol building complex for military training. The same nation that enacts 1984 level surveillance campaigns on their populace. I would be more morally selective about the products I promote.
    Love your channel and I think we would get along great as friends.

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 10 месяцев назад +3

      be serious and let us know where 99% of your electronic devices are built today. Ok, maybe 75% as we still have Phillipines and Malaysia ;)

    • @BGraves
      @BGraves 10 месяцев назад

      @@zyghom you gonna hit me with a gotcha so you can invalidate my entire position? I knew this would be the reply I would get the moment I hit the send button. Consider that someone who also holds this position might also be discriminant on where they purchase their consumer products from. Despite that, your argument makes no sense even if I wasn't. 🧌

  • @dorofteiionutz3952
    @dorofteiionutz3952 10 месяцев назад +3

    Mate, this shit got out of hand. Every homelaber is doing tha same review.
    I know that they are giving for free, but just stop. It is just shit.
    Raidowl, Jim's Garage, Nas compares, TwoGuyzTech, wundertech, and others ar doing this same shit review about the same thing.

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад +21

      Pretty sure none of them did a full teardown and installed their own OS

    • @2uxzh01k
      @2uxzh01k 10 месяцев назад +2

      Free NAS, Free HDDs (some apparently get 4x WD red), Content material. I see no reason for not making a video about it.
      Also the device itself is indeed interesting.
      Don’t need a 1GbE Synology, also don’t need a 19 inch rack server. (99% of the people)
      I really like the concept of the Ugreen NAS, would recommend it to beginners/friends.

    • @thescroogemcduck
      @thescroogemcduck 10 месяцев назад

      If you got sent a free one and were paid to make a video on it would you say "No everyone else already did it"? Why not just be glad you're getting multiple takes on a new piece of hardware.

    • @Chris_Cable
      @Chris_Cable 10 месяцев назад +2

      cool story bro. I don't know who any of those other people are. So this is the first time i'm seeing the review.

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 10 месяцев назад

      @@apalrdsadventures TRUE! but here you don't see: "The best NAS ever for ever and never"

  • @misterhat5823
    @misterhat5823 10 месяцев назад

    Sponsored? Thumbs down and unsubscribed.

  • @jayd6098
    @jayd6098 10 месяцев назад +2

    Looks like complete ripoff of Synology UI. Not sure if this is a Chinese company, most likely it would be, I would trust a Taiwan company Synology over a Chinese.

  • @UnderEu
    @UnderEu 10 месяцев назад

    Now I want a video about Kevin, back there 🫠

    • @apalrdsadventures
      @apalrdsadventures  10 месяцев назад +1

      he's coming, in a video, when I get time. He's actually quite impressive for the price - a tri-band wifi 6e router with 2.5Gbe for $129, and a chipset that's likely to get OpenWRT support due to its popularity