New 2004 C5 owner here. Good video. I've watched a few of them over the recent past before and after purchasing the car. Now I know where my fuel filter is not. I did think it was on the frame rail somewhere. Has it EVER been changed, hmm?
Just purchased a Black on Black 50th Anniversary Corvette Coupe (2003) with only 70k original miles. The C5 is an absolute dream of a car. Low, lean, aggressive yet elegant & poised. Even at a standstill the car looks like its in motion. A timeless classic & true to the American sports car.
@RyRy You have got the most desirable year, except the 50th Anniversary Corvette came standard with the Magnetic ride suspension Do you think it will be worth about 3K for 4 shocks installed when the time comes? I was looking for a black 50th Anniversary Corvette, but maybe now I think I will just get a black 2003 without the Magnetic ride suspension, and the premium price for a 50th Anniversary Edition?
@@EXCELSIOR_INC I plan on keeping the car indefinitely so whatever it needs I will replace in time. Add some upgrades here & there but it will look predominantly stock. A nice weekender & Spring/Summer vehicle. And the more you replace and upgrade the car the longer it will last. Its an investment that only you can determine what to do or not to do. C5 all the way!
I bought a '97 C5 about 3 years ago $9k. Since then had the tyranny rebuilt $2400, front shocks were already replaced with standard. I get a check traction control message, but just hit the reset button. I drive it almost daily, has 227,000 miles on it now, still runs great and is super fun to drive!
I got rid of those overpriced over rated shocks too. This guy DOES NOT know what he's talking about. I hope I'm not blocked for saying so. All you need to do is install some type of capacitor and delete it from the computer. I know because I did it!
Just purchased a 2002 yesterday and I admit I was one of those watching your vids without being subscribed. I have remedied that. You and C&S really helped in making the decision and although you and he differ on your conclusions, for me, the information was invaluable. Thanks again.
As a former 2002 C5 vert owner of 14-years, I really enjoyed your analysis. I found it very informative, factual and balanced. My only quibble is that the oil consumption issues were resolved by GM in time for the 2002 model year, so I sort of felt like it should have been a tie between '02 and '03 for the "best" C5 model year. When i sold mine, I had put about 110k glorious miles on it. No garage queens allowed around here. Sold it for a very fair $11k and the new owner was thrilled. The original 5-layer top was still in excellent condition as was the rest of the car that had been garaged and well maintained. I always felt like I had a race car in my garage.
Got a tip for you. If you maintance active ride control warning comes on constantly check your suspension, ball joints , rear tow adjustment (ball joint) and get it aligned. Mine went crazy for 3 yrs until I fixed it yesterday. Like magic, it turned off.
Just picked up my 97 for 9500. Had to repair a few small things to get her inspected (rear tires, horn) but she runs great, still turns heads, and is so much fun to drive
I bought a 2000 year Corvette for my husband for $8000 it had a 100000 miles on it and to this day it has 240000 still going strong just have to rebuild the tranny automatic transmission which my husband is doing now love the C5 and thank you for your videos
Thank you, I'm always going to give it to you straight and I always try to say if it's my opinion or if I think it's fact. And at the end of the day I'm one of those people that can agree to disagree and have a cordial conversation about anything! Thanks for your comment much appreciated!!!!
After longing for a c8 and giving up after the Ridiculous mark ups, production delays and constraints, I decided on getting a Used c5 and I’m very happy it has alot more room to recline
Since a kid, I’ve been collecting corvette memorabilia and apparel as it was my dream car. Last week I finally got my c5- an ‘02 black on black 6 speed with 38k miles for get this… $16,500. Thanks for making the video as it helped me narrow down the years.
I have a 2000 C5 coupe. I have had the car for 10 years and have had very few mechanical issues. The car still runs great and thanks for your video. Being up in age this car has plenty enough performance for me. Its still a great car with class.
Hey, about a year ago I bought a 1998 C5 with 80k miles on it. (I got it for less than $9k!!!). I had a honda S2000 which you may know have been going up in value like crazy. I sold the honda and got the vette because I wanted to REALLY learn about cars. I had never done anything other than basic fluid changes in my life and the LS platform is cheap and easy to get parts for and learn about. The money I got from the honda came a long way with being able to mod the vette. It still took MONTHS of research but I put a cam in, LS7 lifters (and full valve train overhaul), vararam intake, full exhaust, replaced every pump, and rebuilt mostly every system in the front end of the car etc. I did it mostly for reliability sake as I want to go to the track and really put it through it's paces and the idea of dropping a valve due to my 23 year old valve springs was concerning me. ANYWAY I always see you responding to people's comments saying thanks for taking the time to comment when you don't have anything to really say back. You and other C5 youtubers like BeezyBuilds and Chris have given me a wealth of knowledge and I would finally like to say thank you. Everything I have done would not have been possible without you guys as the forums only go so far or aren't accurate. I've reached out and DM BeezyBuilds fairly regularly as he was more into road circuit track stuff like I want to be (even though he has a civic now haha) so now is your turn. So again thank you for getting my car off jack stands after 8 months and getting my wife off my back. (She is very supportive, but sharing a car for 8 months was getting OLD haha).
@@californiaantkeeper c5 vette's can last 500k+ if you treat them right, it really just depends on how meticulous you are about preventative maintenance.
Holy crap my doppelganger! I too had an s2000 AP2 and sold it like an idiot... Biggest mistake of my life. But now I own a 04 z06 for almost 3 years and ill never make that mistake again!
😢I just purchased my first Corvette on 4/27/24. It is a beautiful 2002 torch red convertible with the camel roof and interior. I cannot drive a stick shift any more due some health issues but the automatic is fine for this old man of 63. I have been watching your videos for almost 2 years now and they were very helpful in making my purchase. The car just turned 97,000 miles but has been garaged and meticulously cared for. My dream is to drive it up the PCH in California one day with the top down! I picked it up for about $14,000. Thanks again for the very informative videos! Glenn
When I bought my C5 7 years ago, I did a lot of research and came to the conclusion that I wanted a 2003-2004. I bought a low mileage 2004. I don't have mag control shocks, so that eliminates that problem, so the only thing that I have to deal with is the fuel issue. So far, knock on wood, that has not been an issue, but I will watch it and keep it in mind. Thanks for the information.
Ya , I screwed up and got an 04. Electrical nightmare. Magnetic shocks too. I bought aftermarket regular shocks. My mechanic said he can work around the computer. The fact they put the fuel filter in the tank is utterly stupid. It was already a good design.
i bought my 01 c5 z06 last year because of last vid. 10k miles later still running good. and driving like i stole lol and no oil buring problem luckily.
Well, the older they get and the longer you own them the more likely issues will pop up. That having been said you probably take care of your stuff too which is the right way!
I've owned a 01 Z06 for 14 years. Only a callaway cold air kit for a mod. The car definitely has electronic issues that's for sure. Otherwise for the money can't beat it. Love it. She roars!!!!
I love people with demonstrable depth and breadth of knowledge who publish concise, factual information in an easy to understand package. The perfect trifecta! This video earned you my subscription. I am shopping for a C5 Z06 to dedicate to track use. I'll search your library for Z06-specific info.. Prior to this video, I had focused in on 02-03 mostly due to the Magneride issue (I have a Tech 2), with 03 being the ideal thanks to rolling upgrades and 01 being a possibility if I happen to find a bargain. Thanks for the great info.
I got a C5 Z06 that I to thought I would use for "dedicated track use". Now im just scared to run it since they are already kinda expensive and going up in value, also 405hp rwd in a 90's wedge isn't something to scoff at. Do yourself a favor and get a base C5 6 speed and spend the savings on goodies. Gonna be a lot cheaper and hurt A LOT less if you wreck it.
@@CrossWindsPat I track a 600HP Shelby Cobra that weighs 1,000 lbs less than the C5... if you think 405HP in a 90's wedge is a lot to handle, try 600HP in a 60's roadster!😄 I did end up buying a fully caged, completely custom base C5 with a 585HP LS3. It is heaven on earth.
In 2009 I bought an 03 Z06 with 15,000 miles for $7,500. The catch was it was totaled with rear frame damage. After removing the body and replacing the damaged frame section, I installed the body of a Cavalier coupe. (Why?…., why not?). I’ve had a blast with it. One thing you didn’t mention, some 03 and 04’s had defective fuel tanks. The necks were weak and would crack and leak. My VIN was luckily not on the list. Love your videos, you are so professional! Great work.
I had an 03 50th Anniversary Edition Z06, so I'm partial to that year. My mods were CAGS eliminator, MGW shifter, Borla Stingers, C6 Seats with burlap added under the seat. Lowered with stock bolts. Handled great with Vredestain Sessanta tires
I have a 97 C5 with 48000 miles. It sat for a while so obviously it needed a few things, but it fires right up and doesn’t miss a beat! Next stop: Supercharged 408 stroker!
My husband just purchased for me a mother’s day/birthday gift…a C5 2002 red convertible what I’ve always wanted since we’ve been together for 23 yrs….a great husband indeed! I can’t wait to play “Little Red Corvette” by Prince! Vroom vroom!
I have an 03 Z06 with 16,000 miles I bought for $7,500. Only catch, it was totaled. After removing the wrecked body and fixing the damaged frame, I installed a Cavalier body. Been having a blast! You didn’t mention the fuel tank issues of the 03-04 years. There were some tanks that had weak necks that cracked and leaked. Luckily my vin was not on the list. Love your videos.
I thought about including that defect, but it was thinking most if not all of those have been repaired by now, and if they hadn't broken they probably wouldn't.
Early 03s as well. Still had the older fuel system that let you change the filter and easier upgrades. I have a "late" 03 and it has the same system as the C6 does and it makes it harder/costlier to upgrade. My only complaint about the car.
I'm new to the corvette club, I don't have a C-5 but recently got a 1993 C-4 and I absolutely love it. (69,230 miles) I also have a 1995 Z28 Camaro so I'm very familiar with the LT1 engine and it's quirks. (186,000 miles) Both are automatics (C4 4L60), (Z28 4L60E) So far no issues with either one they have been extremely reliable.
I've had an 02 for 8 years. It was my every day driver whenever it wasn't winter in Minnesota. It has been the most reliable car I've owened, and I've had an Acura TL and a Honda Accord. My Lexus has been just as good, but I've only had it for 2 years so technically the Vette has been more reliable. The engine sips gas on the freeway. I get 25 miles per gallon with the Corvette. At 90 mph on the freeway it's under 2k rpm. It has flaws, and I don't expect them all to be as reliable, but obviously the potential is there if you take care of it.
I feel lucky, I have a 2001 without the oil consumption issue. However I have replaced the EBCM, Shocks, sway bar linkage. Radio with touch screen 2 din, subwoofer, K&N cold air intake, Borla stinger II exhaust with x-pipe, front splitter, belts, hoses, and Big 3 grounding system. Thinking above a supercharger to complete the build. It's the best C5 in Sacramento. Just wish it had a manual transmission. Keep up the great videos!
Triple Black 1999 C5 manual w/smoke roof, searched for the Active Handling so I didn't jack it up. Bought at 80k miles for $14k in 2007 Sold 2+ yrs later 130k miles for $12.5 in 2010 Absolutely no mods. 3 sets of tires Water pump and Starter. Active Handling warnings ⚠️ had just started, I was cycling the key before startup to get clean messages. It had a weird very slight harmonic vibration at cruise speed on highway, idk. Loved that car, solid as a rock. Exact same car sold as I bought, solid. Great video, just might have another C5 one day. 😀
I've owned a 03 C5 Z06 since 2012. Built up engine and supercharged with 590 rwhp. Only thing I've done is replace the headlight motors and wiring harness.
I was working at a chevy dealership in the service department. When the C5 came out. Lightyears in technology compared to the C4. Getting back to oil issue. At that time GM was having a huge problem with several of their motors for piston slap & oil consumption. Had several customers coming into track oil consumption test. Then having it logged in their service file. Once it was proved about oil oil usage. They got a brand new shiny motor! Lol!
@@JYP1M I've had some, horn button in the steering wheel, window motor, windshield wiper motor, I have about 35K in miles on it. It seems electronics and motors are a weak link.
Well good. I have an 03 with a stick. Had it 1.5 years now. I love it. Had to give it some serious love though. Last owner neglected it and yes. I had to replace the EBCM. That wasn't fun.
Too bad for the neglect on such a perfect specimen. I had a 6spd '03 (Millenium Yellow), and it was the finest car I've ever owned, out of 39! I'm sure you're gonna serve each other well, don't get rid of it like I did!
My 01 daily driver is pretty dependable. No mag ride. I have an EBCM replacement still in the box if I ever need to replace the original in the car. Automatic so daily stop and go drive is nice. No plans on serious mods or power boost. Just little issues. Just changed the alternator and starter and I added a heat shield over the starter to protect the plastic on the back of the starter from heat of the downpipe. Aka (charge system fault) code. Car runs strong. I honestly can't complain. Next i will replace my harmonic balancer with a better aftermarket version before it becomes a problem in the future. 67 thousand garage kept miles and still holding up. Love this car for what it is.
I'm the original owner of a 2001 Z06 with 27,000 miles. I know about the oil consumption problem but have never had a problem with mine. I have owned 25 Corvettes in the last 20 years. Everything from classic to the new C8. That includes a C6 ZR1 and 1969 L-88. The 2001 Z06 is my 1st choice which explains why I still own the car. Amen!
In most instances if you buy from original owner and it’s Automatic you will be pretty safe. Don’t ever buy a Modified car with a four speed as most are beat to their last breath. Why else would anyone put all the extra money in more hp.🤔😬
@@ronsteitz4535 bought her from a 60 years old man (3rd owner). no mods, not even 70k miles but some things have to be done. Harmonic balancer, crankshaft sealing, diff is a bit moist, a roof sealing is broken… but nothing crazy i think.
@@VerrueckterKerl85 Sounds like a good project car. You will have a car to be proud of when finished. My last Vette was a 1973 which I owned for 28 yrs.and put many hrs into bringing back to a very dependable car. I sold the car being better than when I found it. A nice car can bring an owner a lot of pride and fulfillment.😉👍
@@ronsteitz4535 I agree, you should never buy a C5 Corvette with a 4-speed, because that would be the automatic! The manual is a 6-speed. It's quicker, less maintenance, gets better fuel economy, is more fun, and can handle more power without blowing! I do agree to not buy a 'modified' car as it's probably been beat on, but I do believe in modifying it myself (and taking care of it). But having owned 3 Vettes- 2 manuals and 1 auto, I'd only own manual Corvettes in the future. Maybe an exception for the C8, as it only comes as a dual-clutch automatic (already having issues, btw).
Nice - who installed the LS3 - Probably my favorite Corvette engine EVER. Yes, even more than the Z06 and ZR1 engines - those are too damn expensive IMO.
We just bought a 04 commemorative edition for the car lot. I’ve always been a C3/C4 guy but I should have looked at these cars many many years ago. Much more comfortable, more room inside, easier to get in and out of and a budget performance car for the money
I just purchased a c5 corvette with low miles (235k) and a salvage title. I paid $28,000 cash, a dead rat and a half pack of Necco wafers and I'm so happy.
I've wanted a Corvette since I was 5 years old and, after searching for 7 years, I finally bought mine for my 40th bday! It's not the year that I initially wanted, it's not the color (exterior) that I wanted, heck, it's not even the year or generation (C4, '96) that I had been searching for. And on top of all of that, I bought it from a sleazy dealer that was 1200 miles away without spending a few bucks and having the "Ghost" inspected. Big mistake:/ Fortunately, my 48k '97 was pretty clean and wasn't delivered with any catastrophic issues- although the dealer failed to disclose that the a/c didn't work(which I have yet to diagnose) and the glass top had worn off tinting (had a body color top included that looks much better anyway). I just replaced the crankshaft pulley after putting about 5k miles on it, and I've spent roughly another 4 grand on Speedline Z06 wheels and new tires, Z51 shocks and heavy duty sways and endlinks, plus a few cosmetic upgrades etc. Now, that is way more than I had anticipated spending in my first year of ownership. Definitely slowing down on spending, but I still have plans for another 4 or 5 grand worth of bolt-ons and upgrades. None of that really includes items that will deliver bigger power gains either- just getting the car dialed in and sorted out to where it's going to be relatively competent in all areas. It's all worth it. It's all worth waiting 35 years for my used dream car. I'm okay with that.
I used your advice from a previous video and kept my search within the 01 to 04 range. I think I'll be happy with my new 02. No plans on flogging the girl.
I have a 2003 C5 50th anniversary just like the one behind you. It's even the same color. I repaired the EBCM myself using knowledge gained from RUclips. I repaired the HVAC display myself - again thanks to RUclips. It has non-electronic shocks. It has 150,000 miles and runs great! My one gripe is that crappy oil pressure sensor. I replaced it once but it only lasted about 4 years. Now I'm faced with changing it again. This time I'm going to install and extender hose that will put the sensor where I can get to it.😂
Well that makes me feel good about my 2003 Z06. Some good info. I had a 98 C5 a few years back and it gave me no problems so 8 agree with u that most years 9f C5 are decent.
Honest candor from you, sir. I have an 02 Z06 that has a mild build from Vengeance Racing. It has 68K miles on it and the only that I've had to fix is the water pump....knock on wood!!
I have an o2 triple black vert, manual, 14500 miles. Zero issues in 3 years, performs well though it’s mostly a garage queen. Agreed with other vids that mention you must keep a trickle charge on if it’s gonna sit for a few weeks at a time.
Simply this is the best website for C5 information. I bought my C5 3 years ago and latched on to the first Torch Red C5 in top shape. Wish I had done some research first. So far no problems. My C5 has 19K miles. In your opinion, is the failure of the ECBM caused by use or age or both. I would think that higher mileage Vettes would be more likely to fail, but I'm only guessing. Thanks
Thank you for the kind words, I think the EB CM failure in the '01 and newer models is definitely just from heat cycling, it causes the solder joints to break which can be easily fixed usually. Not quite sure about the earlier models nor am I sure which one has a higher failure rate, only that the later years are easier to fix or replace.
I have a 2004 base Commemorative. Actually, the mag ride shock control can be removed through a very specific process which requires a TECH 2 programmer. The suspension control module is now disconnected, and the body control module has the F55 option removed. No more mag shocks, no simulators, with no error codes. I did not know the fuel filter and regulator is in one of the tanks. Aggh. I recently bought a fuel filter intending to change it. I guess that will wait.
Did you actually have it programmed out, cuz my understanding through credible sources is that the '04s were different and you're screwed. But if you've actually had it done and yours is in fact an '04, I'm all ears!
@@Toys4Life Mine is indeed an '04, built in 11/2003. I am not 100% sure what was actually done as I took it to a dealer for them to program it out since I did not have access to a GM TECH 2 programmer. BTW I had this done in August 2015, so it's been awhile. I did print out the procedure highlighted in the Corvette Forum article "Deprograming F55 Suspension" and provided that to the service writer in case they could use it. The article mentions it only works for the '03 and '04 years (F55) since the prior years were different (F45). The article did mention simulators would not work on the '04 so the '04 must be different in some way as you mentioned. This is what I did. I replaced the shocks which caused shock error codes as expected. I took the car to the dealer. When I picked up the car, the suspension module in the back of the car was unplugged as I expected, and there were no more error codes. I can only assume it is programmed out of the body control module since I am guessing that there would be a communication error with the suspension module if it weren't programmed out. As I understand it, if one were to simply turn off the F55 in the body control module without following something like the deprogramming sequence the communications would rediscover the suspension module and turn the F55 feature back on therefore producing shock error codes. I hope this pile of information helps in some way. I'm not suggesting you change your chart, but I wanted to make you aware that I believe it can be done. And no I'm not mad you didn't pick my year. It took time and research to convince myself it would work before I bit the bullet and de-magnetized it. I liked the mag shocks, but I didn't want any future issues that you highlighted, and I only used the sport mode anyway.
Lol. I did the same shit. And Im also taking those overpriced shocks off. Whats a tech2 programmer? My mechanic said he can get rid of the codes. Im assuming that's what you are talking about.
2000 convertible w/202,000 still running strong w/no lights on. Never needed repairs u mentioned, but I drive it all year round. Worst thing u can do is let a car sit, in my opinion.
I own a 2004 Vette with 43,000 miles and have had zero issues to this point. Every 7 yrs I change the tires regardless of miles on tires. I’ve seen the damage a tire can do to rubber separation on quarter panels😬 My car has never been beat on so oil changes once a year is the only real maintenance I’ve done . Three yrs ago I had all fluids flushed and replaced because of time for preventative maintenance.👍
The 97-2000 Camaro and Firebird/Trans Ams also had the EBCM issue. If you are in need of a replacement, I've been told there are 4 or 5 different code numbers, which you must match to yours. Only way to find one that I know of, is Ebay.
I’ve learned one thing after owning 8 Corvettes. Never buy the first year of any generation they seem to have the most problems. My 2002 Z06 has been an awesome car but it’s heavy modified and all the problems associated with the car were fixed.
@@craigthescott5074 you got me beat there for sure. I was 28 when I bought a 78 and was 30 when I bought my 94. I traded a little cash and my 78 to get my 2004. Kind of think I should have kept my 78 and just paid the 10k for the 04. That old 78 had a zz4 crate motor tci tranny 4spd glass tops turbo hood and chrome hooker header with side pipes. It was in terrible condition but definitely repairable with restoration.
I had it affords the 06 with 30000 miles I have bought and I regret selling and I recently bought a 50th anniversary ruby red bucket on top with 23000 miles I put 6,000 miles on it the last 7 months and it's been a wonderful car and I like them both
Don’t discount the 1997 corvette, 322,000 miles just routine maintenance with the exception of 2 transmission overhauls the first one was poorly overhauled. By the still getting 30 mpg at 75 miles per hour
Thanks for the excellent video. I am starting to look for a C5 that I will use for limited street use and a track day now and then. I'm over 60 and I want a trouble-free car. Could you add a pdf to the chart to your links?
Great video! Thanks for the useful info in these videos. I love my 2004 C5 24 hours of Le Mans commemorative (with the Le Mans metallic blue paint and shale interior), the shocks replacement doesn't scare me and I feel no ill will about this contest. If just those shocks are what eliminates it from this, I count myself lucky....it is a great car.
2004 is great, only other negative is the fuel filters in the tank which at some point will be a problem, probably just replace the fuel pumps in the filter at the same time at some point.
@@Toys4Life Oh, forgot to add, I have already had to replace those at about 75k miles so I should be ok with them for a while. It was expensive yes, but I still love that car. Anyway, when it's being worked on, I can drive my wife's car...I waited on a waiting list for a year and a half to get her the new full size Bronco, from the first bunch off the assembly line in 2021. I love that car also, but she only lets me drive it once in a while. 🙂
I had a 99 C5 and still have an 04 Le Mans Corvette. Both cars had the ride control. You can program out the F45/F55 ride control on both of these if you know what you’re doing with the computer. I’ve had my 04 since 2013 and the magnetic ride shocks were programmed out seven years ago so I could put in Bilstein shocks. If you’re going to put up a video like this, you should really know what you’re talking about, before you upload it. End of story. If you don’t believe me, travel to Prescott, Arizona, and you can come see mine.
I believe you, if you wouldn't mind, let Lyle at C&S Corvettes know, he gets asked to do this a A lot more than I do and he's not sure how to do it either. I'm assuming that you're using a tech 2 to do it?
@@Toys4Life I had two different techs in So Cal do it. You do need a Tech II to disable the ride control or magnetic ride control option. Danny Bahn @ DP Performance in Whittier, CA did it to my 99.
I love me some Z06! I wish they had the more aerodynamic (and prettier) roof of the base model, and didn't cost twice as much for slightly better performance, but I still want one! 😎
2004 was a good car, I miss mine. 2003 was definitely the best. I still regret not having bought a 2003 Z06 that was available when I bought my 2004 base corvette
I wouldn't eliminate the 2004 because of the magnetic ride shocks, as long as it DIDN'T have the option. When I ordered my C5 in Feb 2004, I just went with Z51 suspension. 19 years later and the original Z51 non-magnetic shocks are still doing well.
That's a huge plus for sure, and I believe I pointed out that not all 2004s came with mag ride, they still have that goofy fuel system change though which I'm not fond of. But I would take an 04 over an '01. 😁
What an awesome video.....very informative.....well done. Questions........ For the 2001 manual transmission cars......do you know about at what VIN number sequence that the improved internal components of the torque tube were installed, as well as the stronger rod bolts? I have been shopping for quite a while now for model years 2002 to 2003 for ALL of the reasons you have detailed here (which again is awesome) but I do not want to miss out on perhaps a later VIN run of a 2001 that might have all of the latest and greatest Model Run improvements........ Thanks so much for your time... and thanks again for such a great, informative video :-)
That is a great question and unfortunately I do not. I think you're correct they probably used up what they had in stock and then transferred to the newer design.
Excellent video. I wish I had seen this before I bought my 99 track car, i would have held out for an 03. I've had numerous issues with ABS, magnasteer and traction control. You mentioned a technical service bulletin regarding excessive oil consumption. I don't see it anywhere in your writeup. Could you provide a link because I'm using about 1 quarter per day on track events of ~100 miles. Thanks
Here is the complete TSB: 1999-2002: Service Bulletin: Higher Than Expected Oil Consumption Subject: Higher Than Expected Oil Consumption (Replace Rings and Engine Valley Cover) Source: Chevrolet Dealer Technical Service Bulletin Number: 01-06-01-023A Models: 1999-2001 Chevrolet Camaro, 1999-2002 Chevrolet Corvette, 1999-2001 Pontiac Firebird, with 5.7L Engine (VINs G, S -- RPOs LS1, LS6) This bulletin is being revised to add model years for the Corvette, information on the LS6 engine and parts information. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 01-06-01-023 (Section 6 - Engine). Condition Some owners may comment on higher than expected oil consumption. When checked, the oil consumption could be in the range of 400-600 miles per quart (700-1000 km/L). On the LS6 engine only, the technician may find oil behind the engine throttle plate and in the intake manifold. Cause The cause for this condition may be an interaction between the piston rings and the cylinder bore in vehicles that are operated at higher RPMs -- typically manual transmission vehicles driven in a manner where the engine is frequently or consistently operating at greater than 3200 RPM. On the LS6 engine only, the engine has a unique aluminum valley cover that has composite oil separating baffles and PCV plumbing incorporated. In some cases, the PCV baffle may not be properly sealed to the valley cover, causing oil to enter the PCV system. Correction On the LS6 engine only, replace the engine valley cover if oil is found behind the throttle body or in the intake manifold before replacing the piston ring. Refer to Engine Valley Cover Replacement in the Engine Mechanical - 5.7L subsection of the Corvette Service Manual. A new set of piston rings is currently available through GMSPO. The new rings are part of a complete piston ring kit. Install only the number 2 compression ring and the oil expander ring from the piston ring kit. All other rings in the piston ring kit should be discarded. The original number 1 compression ring and the oil ring rails should be re-used in their original positions on the piston. All pistons should be used in the same cylinder bore. Important Do not dress or hone the cylinder bore. Nothing should be done to change the bore finish for this condition. Changing the bore finish may aggravate the condition. Refer to the Unit Repair Manual for appropriate ring removal and replacement procedure. The number 1 compression ring and the upper and lower oil expander rails are re-used because they are already broken in for the bore that they are in. The new number 2 compression ring is made with a very sharp edge that will break in quickly. Changing only the piston rings noted, with no change in driving style, should change oil consumption to an acceptable level. Changes in driving style that reduce the amount of time spent at higher RPMs will also positively affect oil consumption. In addition to the standard size piston ring kit listed below, a 0.25 mm oversized piston ring kit is available. The oversized piston ring kit should only be used in those rare instances where the cylinder bore size has been machined larger to accommodate the 0.25 mm oversized piston rings. Parts Information Part Number Description Qty 12568002 Valley Cover 1 88984247 Ring Kit, Piston 8 Warranty Information For vehicles repaired under warranty, use: Labor Operation Description Labor Time J0250 Manifold or Gasket Intake - Replace Manifold Use Published Labor Operation Time J1307 Piston, Rod and/or Rings -- Replace, Both Banks Use Published Labor Time See less
Watched this video several times over before buying my 2000 C5. I am well aware of its possible issues, bottom line for me is worst case an EBCM issue which is not the end of the world either + I can afford the piece if need be. Other issues are occasional maintenance I can afford as well. I don't push the car either, EBCM it's more of a safety issue if I need to do some emergency manoeuvre, it's just better to have all safety systems ON and brake quick or not spin, but so far no sign of worry on that end. Been a few weeks now, just planning on changing the harmonic balancer (seems ok but a bit used, probably stock, and starting to slightly vibrate so it can't hurt preemptively putting a brand new one) and switching to LED lights. Rest is awesome, dream car for me (it was THE corvette when I was a teen!) and enjoying every mn in it! Thanks for the video
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New 2004 C5 owner here. Good video. I've watched a few of them over the recent past before and after purchasing the car. Now I know where my fuel filter is not. I did think it was on the frame rail somewhere. Has it EVER been changed, hmm?
Something to be aware of 4 sure. If/when the pump, reg or filter go out, look at is 20 year maintenance and change em all (:-).
Nope, its in the tank
@@Toys4Life what would be the cost to change them?
In the gas tank 😢.
And this guy also said you can't delete the magnetic shocks. Just so happens you can. I did it to my 2004!
@Toys4Life Dude, I deleted my magnetic shocks , you might revise that. Mine is a 2004, now has kyb shocks
Just purchased a Black on Black 50th Anniversary Corvette Coupe (2003) with only 70k original miles. The C5 is an absolute dream of a car. Low, lean, aggressive yet elegant & poised. Even at a standstill the car looks like its in motion. A timeless classic & true to the American sports car.
Just bought a 2004 with 3400 miles . Paid a pretty penny for it but it's basically a new car. Forgot to mention,, it's a zo6
@RyRy You have got the most desirable year, except the 50th Anniversary Corvette came standard with the Magnetic ride suspension
Do you think it will be worth about 3K for 4 shocks installed when the time comes?
I was looking for a black 50th Anniversary Corvette, but maybe now I think I will just get a black 2003 without the Magnetic ride suspension, and the premium price for a 50th Anniversary Edition?
@@EXCELSIOR_INC I plan on keeping the car indefinitely so whatever it needs I will replace in time. Add some upgrades here & there but it will look predominantly stock. A nice weekender & Spring/Summer vehicle. And the more you replace and upgrade the car the longer it will last. Its an investment that only you can determine what to do or not to do. C5 all the way!
You should have got a newer one.
@@trudownsouth8490 is he your wife or your little brother?
I bought a '97 C5 about 3 years ago $9k. Since then had the tyranny rebuilt $2400, front shocks were already replaced with standard. I get a check traction control message, but just hit the reset button. I drive it almost daily, has 227,000 miles on it now, still runs great and is super fun to drive!
I got rid of those overpriced over rated shocks too. This guy DOES NOT know what he's talking about. I hope I'm not blocked for saying so. All you need to do is install some type of capacitor and delete it from the computer. I know because I did it!
Just purchased a 2002 yesterday and I admit I was one of those watching your vids without being subscribed. I have remedied that. You and C&S really helped in making the decision and although you and he differ on your conclusions, for me, the information was invaluable. Thanks again.
I appreciate the sub and enjoy the heck out of the 02 C5 this summer!!
As a former 2002 C5 vert owner of 14-years, I really enjoyed your analysis. I found it very informative, factual and balanced. My only quibble is that the oil consumption issues were resolved by GM in time for the 2002 model year, so I sort of felt like it should have been a tie between '02 and '03 for the "best" C5 model year. When i sold mine, I had put about 110k glorious miles on it. No garage queens allowed around here. Sold it for a very fair $11k and the new owner was thrilled. The original 5-layer top was still in excellent condition as was the rest of the car that had been garaged and well maintained. I always felt like I had a race car in my garage.
Got a tip for you. If you maintance active ride control warning comes on constantly check your suspension, ball joints , rear tow adjustment (ball joint) and get it aligned. Mine went crazy for 3 yrs until I fixed it yesterday. Like magic, it turned off.
He's wrong about not being able to delete the shocks and put regular shocks on though.
Just picked up my 97 for 9500. Had to repair a few small things to get her inspected (rear tires, horn) but she runs great, still turns heads, and is so much fun to drive
I bought a 2000 year Corvette for my husband for $8000 it had a 100000 miles on it and to this day it has 240000 still going strong just have to rebuild the tranny automatic transmission which my husband is doing now love the C5 and thank you for your videos
Thanks Tracy, glad you guys are using and loving the heck out of that C5!
If you lose subscribers,
based on your honesty,
then let them depart.
Never compromise your character, for Content count
Thank you, I'm always going to give it to you straight and I always try to say if it's my opinion or if I think it's fact. And at the end of the day I'm one of those people that can agree to disagree and have a cordial conversation about anything! Thanks for your comment much appreciated!!!!
After longing for a c8 and giving up after the Ridiculous mark ups, production delays and constraints, I decided on getting a Used c5 and I’m very happy it has alot more room to recline
Since a kid, I’ve been collecting corvette memorabilia and apparel as it was my dream car. Last week I finally got my c5- an ‘02 black on black 6 speed with 38k miles for get this… $16,500. Thanks for making the video as it helped me narrow down the years.
Enjoy!
I’m partial to my ‘99 Coupe, but love all the C5’s no matter the year
Works for me sir!
@keithp115 2004 they upgraded the transmission to handle more horses! I'm not sure what exact year they did that but it's better than the early C5s
I’ve owned several of all years and never had many issues at all. Other then minor ones that are easily fixable. 👍🏁
I have a 2000 C5 coupe. I have had the car for 10 years and have had very few mechanical issues. The car still runs great and thanks for your video. Being up in age this car has plenty enough performance for me. Its still a great car with class.
Does it consume it a lot of oil? Or was that issue fixed early ?
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My 2nd 2003 50th anniversary convertible this one with 36,000 miles.that metal flake maroon with tan roof and interior can't be beat.
Hey, about a year ago I bought a 1998 C5 with 80k miles on it. (I got it for less than $9k!!!). I had a honda S2000 which you may know have been going up in value like crazy. I sold the honda and got the vette because I wanted to REALLY learn about cars. I had never done anything other than basic fluid changes in my life and the LS platform is cheap and easy to get parts for and learn about. The money I got from the honda came a long way with being able to mod the vette. It still took MONTHS of research but I put a cam in, LS7 lifters (and full valve train overhaul), vararam intake, full exhaust, replaced every pump, and rebuilt mostly every system in the front end of the car etc. I did it mostly for reliability sake as I want to go to the track and really put it through it's paces and the idea of dropping a valve due to my 23 year old valve springs was concerning me. ANYWAY I always see you responding to people's comments saying thanks for taking the time to comment when you don't have anything to really say back. You and other C5 youtubers like BeezyBuilds and Chris have given me a wealth of knowledge and I would finally like to say thank you. Everything I have done would not have been possible without you guys as the forums only go so far or aren't accurate. I've reached out and DM BeezyBuilds fairly regularly as he was more into road circuit track stuff like I want to be (even though he has a civic now haha) so now is your turn. So again thank you for getting my car off jack stands after 8 months and getting my wife off my back. (She is very supportive, but sharing a car for 8 months was getting OLD haha).
Glad to see you switch to the right car! Enjoy the heck out of it sir! (of course I do respect the s2000's - but 100% different experience!)
I paid 5k for 100k mile c5 3 years ago. Been daily driving it for 3 year. My wife's 2016 corolla is less reliable.
@@californiaantkeeper c5 vette's can last 500k+ if you treat them right, it really just depends on how meticulous you are about preventative maintenance.
You've got to take care of your stuff!
Holy crap my doppelganger! I too had an s2000 AP2 and sold it like an idiot... Biggest mistake of my life. But now I own a 04 z06 for almost 3 years and ill never make that mistake again!
😢I just purchased my first Corvette on 4/27/24. It is a beautiful 2002 torch red convertible with the camel roof and interior. I cannot drive a stick shift any more due some health issues but the automatic is fine for this old man of 63. I have been watching your videos for almost 2 years now and they were very helpful in making my purchase. The car just turned 97,000 miles but has been garaged and meticulously cared for. My dream is to drive it up the PCH in California one day with the top down! I picked it up for about $14,000. Thanks again for the very informative videos! Glenn
Thanks for sharing - maybe I will see you on the PCH (I live in the midwest) as it is on my Bucket List as well!
Cheers!
When I bought my C5 7 years ago, I did a lot of research and came to the conclusion that I wanted a 2003-2004. I bought a low mileage 2004. I don't have mag control shocks, so that eliminates that problem, so the only thing that I have to deal with is the fuel issue. So far, knock on wood, that has not been an issue, but I will watch it and keep it in mind. Thanks for the information.
That's awesome, you made a wise choice in my opinion!
Only use Top Tier Gas and you should be fine.
Ya , I screwed up and got an 04. Electrical nightmare. Magnetic shocks too. I bought aftermarket regular shocks. My mechanic said he can work around the computer. The fact they put the fuel filter in the tank is utterly stupid. It was already a good design.
i bought my 01 c5 z06 last year because of last vid. 10k miles later still running good. and driving like i stole lol and no oil buring problem luckily.
Great to hear!
Had 3 1999 Vettes - a Coupe and 2 - FRC. Never had an issue with any one. And a 2002 ZO6 Again no Issues.Guess I was a lucky guy.
Well, the older they get and the longer you own them the more likely issues will pop up. That having been said you probably take care of your stuff too which is the right way!
I agree I have a blue 2003 zo6 and love the car it's awesome
Nice!!
I've owned a 01 Z06 for 14 years. Only a callaway cold air kit for a mod. The car definitely has electronic issues that's for sure. Otherwise for the money can't beat it. Love it. She roars!!!!
Finally a good reliability video for the Vette
I love people with demonstrable depth and breadth of knowledge who publish concise, factual information in an easy to understand package. The perfect trifecta! This video earned you my subscription.
I am shopping for a C5 Z06 to dedicate to track use. I'll search your library for Z06-specific info.. Prior to this video, I had focused in on 02-03 mostly due to the Magneride issue (I have a Tech 2), with 03 being the ideal thanks to rolling upgrades and 01 being a possibility if I happen to find a bargain. Thanks for the great info.
I got a C5 Z06 that I to thought I would use for "dedicated track use". Now im just scared to run it since they are already kinda expensive and going up in value, also 405hp rwd in a 90's wedge isn't something to scoff at. Do yourself a favor and get a base C5 6 speed and spend the savings on goodies. Gonna be a lot cheaper and hurt A LOT less if you wreck it.
@@CrossWindsPat I track a 600HP Shelby Cobra that weighs 1,000 lbs less than the C5... if you think 405HP in a 90's wedge is a lot to handle, try 600HP in a 60's roadster!😄
I did end up buying a fully caged, completely custom base C5 with a 585HP LS3. It is heaven on earth.
@@DocHawk44 My 50 year old programmer co worker has one with about the same power! I tell him hes certainly gonna die in it! Awesome.
In 2009 I bought an 03 Z06 with 15,000 miles for $7,500. The catch was it was totaled with rear frame damage. After removing the body and replacing the damaged frame section, I installed the body of a Cavalier coupe. (Why?…., why not?). I’ve had a blast with it. One thing you didn’t mention, some 03 and 04’s had defective fuel tanks. The necks were weak and would crack and leak. My VIN was luckily not on the list. Love your videos, you are so professional! Great work.
I had an 03 50th Anniversary Edition Z06, so I'm partial to that year.
My mods were CAGS eliminator, MGW shifter, Borla Stingers, C6 Seats with burlap added under the seat. Lowered with stock bolts. Handled great with Vredestain Sessanta tires
I have a 97 C5 with 48000 miles. It sat for a while so obviously it needed a few things, but it fires right up and doesn’t miss a beat! Next stop: Supercharged 408 stroker!
Good video sir ! I actually own a 2001 Convertible Metallic Corvette with red interior with a white top only 33K miles. Rare color combo 👍
Thank you! & 👍
You can change top color
Just bought 2003 CHEVROLET CORVETTE 50TH ANNIVERSARY CONVERTIBLE as collector car and as far as you , did I made the right decision. Thank you.
Enjoy!!!
My husband just purchased for me a mother’s day/birthday gift…a C5 2002 red convertible what I’ve always wanted since we’ve been together for 23 yrs….a great husband indeed! I can’t wait to play “Little Red Corvette” by Prince! Vroom vroom!
I have an 03 Z06 with 16,000 miles I bought for $7,500. Only catch, it was totaled. After removing the wrecked body and fixing the damaged frame, I installed a Cavalier body. Been having a blast! You didn’t mention the fuel tank issues of the 03-04 years. There were some tanks that had weak necks that cracked and leaked. Luckily my vin was not on the list. Love your videos.
I thought about including that defect, but it was thinking most if not all of those have been repaired by now, and if they hadn't broken they probably wouldn't.
02 hands down. No oil burn, steering lock issues etc. like the older ones and all the features and no house fires like the newer.
wait, what - house fires? I am not tracking - what is that about??
Early 03s as well. Still had the older fuel system that let you change the filter and easier upgrades. I have a "late" 03 and it has the same system as the C6 does and it makes it harder/costlier to upgrade. My only complaint about the car.
@@Toys4Life Leaking plastic pass through tube parts on gas tanks for sept 03-04 instead of metal.
I have a 2003 Z06 that runs perfect with no problems yet - 22,000 miles It is now A track car and it handles.well.
More changes to come.!
Instant credibility from the White Fiero. I own several of those. New subscriber, Thanks.
Fieros are getting hard to find, that could be your retirement fund, thanks for the sub!
I just bought the yellow C5 2001. I’m updating the inside however the car kicks ass!
Nice!
I'm new to the corvette club, I don't have a C-5 but recently got a 1993 C-4 and I absolutely love it. (69,230 miles)
I also have a 1995 Z28 Camaro so I'm very familiar with the LT1 engine and it's quirks.
(186,000 miles)
Both are automatics (C4 4L60), (Z28 4L60E)
So far no issues with either one they have been extremely reliable.
I still miss my 95 Z28!
I had a 94. And Im not that more impressed with my 04 I own now. Less shit to go wrong with the 94. I didn't like the battery location though in 94
I've had an 02 for 8 years. It was my every day driver whenever it wasn't winter in Minnesota. It has been the most reliable car I've owened, and I've had an Acura TL and a Honda Accord. My Lexus has been just as good, but I've only had it for 2 years so technically the Vette has been more reliable. The engine sips gas on the freeway. I get 25 miles per gallon with the Corvette. At 90 mph on the freeway it's under 2k rpm. It has flaws, and I don't expect them all to be as reliable, but obviously the potential is there if you take care of it.
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I feel lucky, I have a 2001 without the oil consumption issue. However I have replaced the EBCM, Shocks, sway bar linkage. Radio with touch screen 2 din, subwoofer, K&N cold air intake, Borla stinger II exhaust with x-pipe, front splitter, belts, hoses, and Big 3 grounding system. Thinking above a supercharger to complete the build. It's the best C5 in Sacramento. Just wish it had a manual transmission. Keep up the great videos!
Thanks for sharing
Came here to learn about the Vette, can't stop looking at the notchie fiero. I used to have a fastback. Loved that car!
Pontiac fieros are unique that's for sure, thanks for the comment made me chuckle 😜
I have had my 2000 roadsyer for about 18 years, 108 thousand miles . I love it.
Nice - still fresh after all these years!
Triple Black 1999 C5 manual w/smoke roof, searched for the Active Handling so I didn't jack it up.
Bought at 80k miles for $14k in 2007
Sold 2+ yrs later 130k miles for $12.5 in 2010
Absolutely no mods.
3 sets of tires
Water pump and Starter.
Active Handling warnings ⚠️ had just started, I was cycling the key before startup to get clean messages.
It had a weird very slight harmonic vibration at cruise speed on highway, idk.
Loved that car, solid as a rock.
Exact same car sold as I bought, solid.
Great video, just might have another C5 one day. 😀
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I have an 03 50th anniversary convertible. Love the car
Sweet!!!
I've owned a 03 C5 Z06 since 2012. Built up engine and supercharged with 590 rwhp. Only thing I've done is replace the headlight motors and wiring harness.
I was working at a chevy dealership in the service department. When the C5 came out. Lightyears in technology compared to the C4. Getting back to oil issue. At that time GM was having a huge problem with several of their motors for piston slap & oil consumption. Had several customers coming into track oil consumption test. Then having it logged in their service file. Once it was proved about oil oil usage. They got a brand new shiny motor! Lol!
My 01 Z06 smokes like hell when I beat on it 🤦🏼♂️
Damn rings.
My vote is for a 2003-2004 ZO6 with the LS6. Amazing C5.
I just had a 2004 ZO6 year today, it is a fantastic car only had 50,000 miles!
I have a 2004 love it.
Awesome!
May not give you any issues unlike mine…
@@JYP1M I've had some, horn button in the steering wheel, window motor, windshield wiper motor, I have about 35K in miles on it. It seems electronics and motors are a weak link.
Well good. I have an 03 with a stick. Had it 1.5 years now. I love it. Had to give it some serious love though. Last owner neglected it and yes. I had to replace the EBCM. That wasn't fun.
At least you were able to get a replacement!
@@Toys4Life Yep. Found a rebuild unit that was modified with surge suppression. Darn good price to.
Too bad for the neglect on such a perfect specimen. I had a 6spd '03 (Millenium Yellow), and it was the finest car I've ever owned, out of 39! I'm sure you're gonna serve each other well, don't get rid of it like I did!
My 01 daily driver is pretty dependable. No mag ride. I have an EBCM replacement still in the box if I ever need to replace the original in the car. Automatic so daily stop and go drive is nice. No plans on serious mods or power boost. Just little issues. Just changed the alternator and starter and I added a heat shield over the starter to protect the plastic on the back of the starter from heat of the downpipe. Aka (charge system fault) code. Car runs strong. I honestly can't complain. Next i will replace my harmonic balancer with a better aftermarket version before it becomes a problem in the future. 67 thousand garage kept miles and still holding up. Love this car for what it is.
Sounds like you got a good one! Continued enjoyment!!
I got a z06 Manual 04 and im more than happy 🥹
I'm the original owner of a 2001 Z06 with 27,000 miles. I know about the oil consumption problem but have never had a problem with mine. I have owned 25 Corvettes in the last 20 years. Everything from classic to the new C8. That includes a C6 ZR1 and 1969 L-88. The 2001 Z06 is my 1st choice which explains why I still own the car. Amen!
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I have a 2004 and I love it. Thanks for the great information as usual!
I love our 2001! As far as Oil Consumption about 1/2 Quart every 5000 miles... so I love it...
I saw this cuz im buying a C5 soon, and I have already picked one from a dealership and its a 2003 so I guess im lucky, nice video.
😊😊😊 I got the best one! 2003 Z06 hardtop!
2003 for me…would be the 04 if not for the issues you reference. Great video.
Nice!
I fkn found out too late 😂
i bought a 2003 C5 two weeks ago. looks like i made the right decision. 😁👍
In my humble opinion, I would say so!! Nice work!
In most instances if you buy from original owner and it’s Automatic you will be pretty safe. Don’t ever buy a Modified car with a four speed as most are beat to their last breath. Why else would anyone put all the extra money in more hp.🤔😬
@@ronsteitz4535 bought her from a 60 years old man (3rd owner). no mods, not even 70k miles but some things have to be done. Harmonic balancer, crankshaft sealing, diff is a bit moist, a roof sealing is broken… but nothing crazy i think.
@@VerrueckterKerl85 Sounds like a good project car. You will have a car to be proud of when finished. My last Vette was a 1973 which I owned for 28 yrs.and put many hrs into bringing back to a very dependable car. I sold the car being better than when I found it. A nice car can bring an owner a lot of pride and fulfillment.😉👍
@@ronsteitz4535 I agree, you should never buy a C5 Corvette with a 4-speed, because that would be the automatic! The manual is a 6-speed. It's quicker, less maintenance, gets better fuel economy, is more fun, and can handle more power without blowing! I do agree to not buy a 'modified' car as it's probably been beat on, but I do believe in modifying it myself (and taking care of it). But having owned 3 Vettes- 2 manuals and 1 auto, I'd only own manual Corvettes in the future. Maybe an exception for the C8, as it only comes as a dual-clutch automatic (already having issues, btw).
Thank's for the video, I have C5 2002 automatic with new LS3.
Nice - who installed the LS3 - Probably my favorite Corvette engine EVER. Yes, even more than the Z06 and ZR1 engines - those are too damn expensive IMO.
@@Toys4Life In Finland it installed by Finnvette.. It cost me ab. 12000@ euros.
We just bought a 04 commemorative edition for the car lot. I’ve always been a C3/C4 guy but I should have looked at these cars many many years ago. Much more comfortable, more room inside, easier to get in and out of and a budget performance car for the money
I just purchased a c5 corvette with low miles (235k) and a salvage title. I paid $28,000 cash, a dead rat and a half pack of Necco wafers and I'm so happy.
Um.. wow
Did the rat eat the Necco wafers?
@roydrink I give up, did he?
I've wanted a Corvette since I was 5 years old and, after searching for 7 years, I finally bought mine for my 40th bday! It's not the year that I initially wanted, it's not the color (exterior) that I wanted, heck, it's not even the year or generation (C4, '96) that I had been searching for. And on top of all of that, I bought it from a sleazy dealer that was 1200 miles away without spending a few bucks and having the "Ghost" inspected. Big mistake:/ Fortunately, my 48k '97 was pretty clean and wasn't delivered with any catastrophic issues- although the dealer failed to disclose that the a/c didn't work(which I have yet to diagnose) and the glass top had worn off tinting (had a body color top included that looks much better anyway). I just replaced the crankshaft pulley after putting about 5k miles on it, and I've spent roughly another 4 grand on Speedline Z06 wheels and new tires, Z51 shocks and heavy duty sways and endlinks, plus a few cosmetic upgrades etc. Now, that is way more than I had anticipated spending in my first year of ownership. Definitely slowing down on spending, but I still have plans for another 4 or 5 grand worth of bolt-ons and upgrades. None of that really includes items that will deliver bigger power gains either- just getting the car dialed in and sorted out to where it's going to be relatively competent in all areas. It's all worth it. It's all worth waiting 35 years for my used dream car. I'm okay with that.
Absolutely, get it the way you want and enjoy it!
Dammm you could have bought a 2015 w all the money spent so far
Congratulations Sir!!
I just got a 97 c5 about 5 months ago and I love it. It was well maintained and had a few upgrades but I couldn't pass on the price.
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@@Toys4Life man I'm looking to buy a 98 but made in 97 low miles well kept but you open my eyes little bit now. Thanks
I used your advice from a previous video and kept my search within the 01 to 04 range. I think I'll be happy with my new 02. No plans on flogging the girl.
Thanks for the feedback - sounds like you got the right one!!
You did good, enjoy it!
I believe the other three of the best C5 but I believe the C5 as a whole is when the best-looking Corvettes made in a long time
I have a 2003 C5 50th anniversary just like the one behind you. It's even the same color. I repaired the EBCM myself using knowledge gained from RUclips. I repaired the HVAC display myself - again thanks to RUclips. It has non-electronic shocks. It has 150,000 miles and runs great! My one gripe is that crappy oil pressure sensor. I replaced it once but it only lasted about 4 years. Now I'm faced with changing it again. This time I'm going to install and extender hose that will put the sensor where I can get to it.😂
That pesky oil pressure sending unit!
Sounds like a made a pretty good choice picking up a 2004 C5 commemorative edition.
Not a silly exercise. If I ever want to buy a C-5, 2004 it will be.
Well that makes me feel good about my 2003 Z06. Some good info. I had a 98 C5 a few years back and it gave me no problems so 8 agree with u that most years 9f C5 are decent.
Most are decent for sure!! I just like to be super informed if I am buying a big screen TV or a C5!
Honest candor from you, sir. I have an 02 Z06 that has a mild build from Vengeance Racing. It has 68K miles on it and the only that I've had to fix is the water pump....knock on wood!!
Nice - Enjoy the summer with it!
I have an o2 triple black vert, manual, 14500 miles. Zero issues in 3 years, performs well though it’s mostly a garage queen. Agreed with other vids that mention you must keep a trickle charge on if it’s gonna sit for a few weeks at a time.
Man yours is barely broken in, take care of that beautiful machine!
Sir you are spot on...nothing silly about your presentation. Very insightful. I' ll keep
Hi, your comment ended abruptly - but thanks for the kind words!!
Simply this is the best website for C5 information. I bought my C5 3 years ago and latched on to the first Torch Red C5 in top shape. Wish I had done some research first. So far no problems. My C5 has 19K miles. In your opinion, is the failure of the ECBM caused by use or age or both. I would think that higher mileage Vettes would be more likely to fail, but I'm only guessing. Thanks
Thank you for the kind words, I think the EB CM failure in the '01 and newer models is definitely just from heat cycling, it causes the solder joints to break which can be easily fixed usually. Not quite sure about the earlier models nor am I sure which one has a higher failure rate, only that the later years are easier to fix or replace.
I have a 2004 base Commemorative. Actually, the mag ride shock control can be removed through a very specific process which requires a TECH 2 programmer. The suspension control module is now disconnected, and the body control module has the F55 option removed. No more mag shocks, no simulators, with no error codes.
I did not know the fuel filter and regulator is in one of the tanks. Aggh. I recently bought a fuel filter intending to change it. I guess that will wait.
Did you actually have it programmed out, cuz my understanding through credible sources is that the '04s were different and you're screwed. But if you've actually had it done and yours is in fact an '04, I'm all ears!
@@Toys4Life Mine is indeed an '04, built in 11/2003. I am not 100% sure what was actually done as I took it to a dealer for them to program it out since I did not have access to a GM TECH 2 programmer. BTW I had this done in August 2015, so it's been awhile. I did print out the procedure highlighted in the Corvette Forum article "Deprograming F55 Suspension" and provided that to the service writer in case they could use it. The article mentions it only works for the '03 and '04 years (F55) since the prior years were different (F45). The article did mention simulators would not work on the '04 so the '04 must be different in some way as you mentioned.
This is what I did. I replaced the shocks which caused shock error codes as expected. I took the car to the dealer. When I picked up the car, the suspension module in the back of the car was unplugged as I expected, and there were no more error codes. I can only assume it is programmed out of the body control module since I am guessing that there would be a communication error with the suspension module if it weren't programmed out. As I understand it, if one were to simply turn off the F55 in the body control module without following something like the deprogramming sequence the communications would rediscover the suspension module and turn the F55 feature back on therefore producing shock error codes.
I hope this pile of information helps in some way. I'm not suggesting you change your chart, but I wanted to make you aware that I believe it can be done. And no I'm not mad you didn't pick my year. It took time and research to convince myself it would work before I bit the bullet and de-magnetized it. I liked the mag shocks, but I didn't want any future issues that you highlighted, and I only used the sport mode anyway.
Lol. I did the same shit. And Im also taking those overpriced shocks off. Whats a tech2 programmer? My mechanic said he can get rid of the codes. Im assuming that's what you are talking about.
2000 convertible w/202,000 still running strong w/no lights on. Never needed repairs u mentioned, but I drive it all year round. Worst thing u can do is let a car sit, in my opinion.
Agreed!
2004 Z06 commemorative edition w/ carbon fiber hood & graphics
That's a nice ride!
I own a 2004 Vette with 43,000 miles and have had zero issues to this point. Every 7 yrs I change the tires regardless of miles on tires. I’ve seen the damage a tire can do to rubber separation on quarter panels😬 My car has never been beat on so oil changes once a year is the only real maintenance I’ve done . Three yrs ago I had all fluids flushed and replaced because of time for preventative maintenance.👍
Nice!
Same here👍
Damn. Just about every comment to this video I can relate to. Including the damage to the back wheel liner.
The 97-2000 Camaro and Firebird/Trans Ams also had the EBCM issue. If you are in need of a replacement, I've been told there are 4 or 5 different code numbers, which you must match to yours. Only way to find one that I know of, is Ebay.
Not great odds...and ,$$
@@Toys4Lifecan you just bypass it or remove it and drive without it?
I love you balanced and analytical thinking. Did you take engineering or physics. These disciplines encourage this kind of thinking.
I did take a physics class as an elective in college as a business major. I appreciate your comments sir!
I did enjoy the video. I have a 2004 c5. The fuel filter is good to know about.
I’ve learned one thing after owning 8 Corvettes. Never buy the first year of any generation they seem to have the most problems. My 2002 Z06 has been an awesome car but it’s heavy modified and all the problems associated with the car were fixed.
Nice!
You didn't learn NOTHING if you bought 8. Just kidding 😂 Im on #3
At 53 Im pretty sure I'll never cross that milestone!
@@treeman2660 well I been buying Corvettes since I was 18 and I am 58 now so I figure a got a few more to go.
@@craigthescott5074 you got me beat there for sure. I was 28 when I bought a 78 and was 30 when I bought my 94.
I traded a little cash and my 78 to get my 2004. Kind of think I should have kept my 78 and just paid the 10k for the 04. That old 78 had a zz4 crate motor tci tranny 4spd glass tops turbo hood and chrome hooker header with side pipes. It was in terrible condition but definitely repairable with restoration.
Thank you for this overview, I'm looking to buy a nice 1999 C5 with low miles and now I know what to look out for.
I bought a 99 a few days ago!
I had it affords the 06 with 30000 miles I have bought and I regret selling and I recently bought a 50th anniversary ruby red bucket on top with 23000 miles I put 6,000 miles on it the last 7 months and it's been a wonderful car and I like them both
I fell in love with the thicker sister of the C5, the WS6 :D
I want another fourth gen!
Great information! I didn't know about the low production numbers of the 1997.
Me neither - Thanks for the comment!!
Don’t discount the 1997 corvette, 322,000 miles just routine maintenance with the exception of 2 transmission overhauls the first one was poorly overhauled. By the still getting 30 mpg at 75 miles per hour
Excellent first-hand information sir, thank you!
Thanks for the excellent video. I am starting to look for a C5 that I will use for limited street use and a track day now and then. I'm over 60 and I want a trouble-free car. Could you add a pdf to the chart to your links?
I thought about doing that but I'm not sure how to do it.
01 hands down!
Good choice!
I’m looking into buying one the beginning of next year
Here's hoping you're right on as I've owned an '03 50th anniv. convertible for 3 years now.
Agreed!
Owned a98’ and 01’, both were awesome..
Nice
Great video!
Thanks for the useful info in these videos.
I love my 2004 C5 24 hours of Le Mans commemorative (with the Le Mans metallic blue paint and shale interior), the shocks replacement doesn't scare me and I feel no ill will about this contest.
If just those shocks are what eliminates it from this, I count myself lucky....it is a great car.
2004 is great, only other negative is the fuel filters in the tank which at some point will be a problem, probably just replace the fuel pumps in the filter at the same time at some point.
@@Toys4Life Oh, forgot to add, I have already had to replace those at about 75k miles so I should be ok with them for a while. It was expensive yes, but I still love that car.
Anyway, when it's being worked on, I can drive my wife's car...I waited on a waiting list for a year and a half to get her the new full size Bronco, from the first bunch off the assembly line in 2021. I love that car also, but she only lets me drive it once in a while. 🙂
I had a 99 C5 and still have an 04 Le Mans Corvette. Both cars had the ride control. You can program out the F45/F55 ride control on both of these if you know what you’re doing with the computer. I’ve had my 04 since 2013 and the magnetic ride shocks were programmed out seven years ago so I could put in Bilstein shocks. If you’re going to put up a video like this, you should really know what you’re talking about, before you upload it. End of story. If you don’t believe me, travel to Prescott, Arizona, and you can come see mine.
I believe you, if you wouldn't mind, let Lyle at C&S Corvettes know, he gets asked to do this a A lot more than I do and he's not sure how to do it either. I'm assuming that you're using a tech 2 to do it?
@@Toys4Life I had two different techs in So Cal do it. You do need a Tech II to disable the ride control or magnetic ride control option. Danny Bahn @ DP Performance in Whittier, CA did it to my 99.
great video, i have a '02 Z that i only put about 2k a year on, those a fairly hard miles, have not noticed any oil consumption thankfully
Thank you and appreciate the real world info from you 02Z!
I love me some Z06! I wish they had the more aerodynamic (and prettier) roof of the base model, and didn't cost twice as much for slightly better performance, but I still want one! 😎
About same here. Love my z06. 2002
2004 was a good car, I miss mine. 2003 was definitely the best. I still regret not having bought a 2003 Z06 that was available when I bought my 2004 base corvette
2002 was the first model year and calendar year that I drove a corvette in. Fun times.
Nice 👍
I wouldn't eliminate the 2004 because of the magnetic ride shocks, as long as it DIDN'T have the option. When I ordered my C5 in Feb 2004, I just went with Z51 suspension. 19 years later and the original Z51 non-magnetic shocks are still doing well.
That's a huge plus for sure, and I believe I pointed out that not all 2004s came with mag ride, they still have that goofy fuel system change though which I'm not fond of. But I would take an 04 over an '01. 😁
What an awesome video.....very informative.....well done. Questions........ For the 2001 manual transmission cars......do you know about at what VIN number sequence that the improved internal components of the torque tube were installed, as well as the stronger rod bolts? I have been shopping for quite a while now for model years 2002 to 2003 for ALL of the reasons you have detailed here (which again is awesome) but I do not want to miss out on perhaps a later VIN run of a 2001 that might have all of the latest and greatest Model Run improvements........ Thanks so much for your time... and thanks again for such a great, informative video :-)
That is a great question and unfortunately I do not. I think you're correct they probably used up what they had in stock and then transferred to the newer design.
I’ve always been told and learnt to stay sway from 1997-1998..head gaskets,and battery leaks..
Very helpful I'm getting ready to buy a 03 C5 and in beautiful condition with 85000 on it and only $16,000
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Triple black 02 vert showroom clean....I ain't afraid of no ghosts!
Excellent video. I wish I had seen this before I bought my 99 track car, i would have held out for an 03. I've had numerous issues with ABS, magnasteer and traction control. You mentioned a technical service bulletin regarding excessive oil consumption. I don't see it anywhere in your writeup. Could you provide a link because I'm using about 1 quarter per day on track events of ~100 miles. Thanks
Here is the complete TSB:
1999-2002: Service Bulletin: Higher Than Expected Oil Consumption
Subject: Higher Than Expected Oil Consumption (Replace Rings and Engine Valley Cover)
Source: Chevrolet Dealer Technical Service Bulletin
Number: 01-06-01-023A
Models: 1999-2001 Chevrolet Camaro, 1999-2002 Chevrolet Corvette, 1999-2001 Pontiac Firebird, with 5.7L Engine (VINs G, S -- RPOs LS1, LS6)
This bulletin is being revised to add model years for the Corvette, information on the LS6 engine and parts information. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 01-06-01-023 (Section 6 - Engine).
Condition
Some owners may comment on higher than expected oil consumption. When checked, the oil consumption could be in the range of 400-600 miles per quart (700-1000 km/L).
On the LS6 engine only, the technician may find oil behind the engine throttle plate and in the intake manifold.
Cause
The cause for this condition may be an interaction between the piston rings and the cylinder bore in vehicles that are operated at higher RPMs -- typically manual transmission vehicles driven in a manner where the engine is frequently or consistently operating at greater than 3200 RPM.
On the LS6 engine only, the engine has a unique aluminum valley cover that has composite oil separating baffles and PCV plumbing incorporated. In some cases, the PCV baffle may not be properly sealed to the valley cover, causing oil to enter the PCV system.
Correction
On the LS6 engine only, replace the engine valley cover if oil is found behind the throttle body or in the intake manifold before replacing the piston ring. Refer to Engine Valley Cover Replacement in the Engine Mechanical - 5.7L subsection of the Corvette Service Manual.
A new set of piston rings is currently available through GMSPO. The new rings are part of a complete piston ring kit. Install only the number 2 compression ring and the oil expander ring from the piston ring kit. All other rings in the piston ring kit should be discarded. The original number 1 compression ring and the oil ring rails should be re-used in their original positions on the piston. All pistons should be used in the same cylinder bore.
Important
Do not dress or hone the cylinder bore. Nothing should be done to change the bore finish for this condition. Changing the bore finish may aggravate the condition.
Refer to the Unit Repair Manual for appropriate ring removal and replacement procedure.
The number 1 compression ring and the upper and lower oil expander rails are re-used because they are already broken in for the bore that they are in. The new number 2 compression ring is made with a very sharp edge that will break in quickly.
Changing only the piston rings noted, with no change in driving style, should change oil consumption to an acceptable level. Changes in driving style that reduce the amount of time spent at higher RPMs will also positively affect oil consumption.
In addition to the standard size piston ring kit listed below, a 0.25 mm oversized piston ring kit is available. The oversized piston ring kit should only be used in those rare instances where the cylinder bore size has been machined larger to accommodate the 0.25 mm oversized piston rings.
Parts Information
Part Number
Description
Qty
12568002
Valley Cover
1
88984247
Ring Kit, Piston
8
Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:
Labor Operation
Description
Labor Time
J0250
Manifold or Gasket Intake - Replace Manifold
Use Published Labor Operation Time
J1307
Piston, Rod and/or Rings -- Replace, Both Banks
Use Published Labor Time
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Naturally, the C5 Z06 would get the nod, but i like the coupe as well! Cheers!😁🛠️😁🔧
Fair enough!
Watched this video several times over before buying my 2000 C5. I am well aware of its possible issues, bottom line for me is worst case an EBCM issue which is not the end of the world either + I can afford the piece if need be. Other issues are occasional maintenance I can afford as well. I don't push the car either, EBCM it's more of a safety issue if I need to do some emergency manoeuvre, it's just better to have all safety systems ON and brake quick or not spin, but so far no sign of worry on that end. Been a few weeks now, just planning on changing the harmonic balancer (seems ok but a bit used, probably stock, and starting to slightly vibrate so it can't hurt preemptively putting a brand new one) and switching to LED lights. Rest is awesome, dream car for me (it was THE corvette when I was a teen!) and enjoying every mn in it! Thanks for the video
Thanks for the thanks and glad you are behind the wheel of your dream car!
You ARE Amazing and extraordinarily helpful in My present search!!! Thank You, Jerry D
Appreciate that sir thank you!