As a Lamb i don't like watching Mariah using Pre-recorded vocals, but i understand the reason why she uses them! to protect her voice!! I do not own nothing that i just used!
I can't say I blame her. The woman has been belting and whistling non stop for no more than 2 years (she rebukes time 😂) She can't always do the whistles, she needs some rest. She is amazing though and will always be
You can usually tell shes lip syncing,when the vocals sound exactly like the studio version or when you dont hear her breathing in the mic, but most of the time she slays my life and will continue to.
What Mariah Carey fans gotta know is that the reason Mariah use playback is because she went to her doctor awhile back. Like during the Emancipation of MIMI era. The doctor told her that she has to preserve voice and to keep from pushing because her voice is very delicate and plus she has nodules. The doctor also told her to keep her voice filled with fluid or water to keep it nice and wet haha. Just think about it folks, if Mariah was doing all her songs 100% live she probably wouldn't be able to talk the next day because her voice is so delicate. So I can understand why she lip syncs or partial lip syncs. I think if she was well rested though and she felt bold enough to actually do "we belong together" climax live, she will do it. I'm pretty sure she's capable of doing some climaxes live. But let's be realistic, someone whose voice is very delicate like MIMI would be like torture of singing every song live. I think that's what made her voice a bit unhealthy in the 90s because she was ALWAYS singing and pushing! She's just taking care of her voice now.
I don't think her first clip of DFAU is live, especially that sustained Bb4 belt with F5 rising, it seems suspicious easy, so it's lipped. And that IWKWLI Eb7 whistle is live, cause in original it has just D7 peak and completely different vocal line.
Regarding those who said they regret their money to hear her lip or sing playback vocals, who doesnt? Celine Dion and many other big names do. And what worths your money is that Mariah cowrites most of the songs she sing too that is something more than the other performers
Okay, I am mildly obsessed with how Daydream her vocal sounds at 5:45, no lie. Beyond that, I think most people who are aware of it accept that almost every artist lip syncs a little, including the very best. For Mariah, it makes sense if she's worried about whether or not her high belts are gonna come out or not, as that's a tough range for her voice altogether, and it seems like it's always the first thing to go when she's not feeling well or tense.
In DFOU, "Baby dont you forget about", whistle, and the long "us~" were lipsynced. In Fantasy, "but it just a swe-" was lipsynced. Your video is pretty accurate with lots of recent performances!
+Mariah the Goddess of Butterfly It's not live, those notes you described as her "losing control" were really just melodyned notes to make it sound different
Duo Channel Because haters like seeing Mariah fail but her 27 year old career still strong even after all the hardships and fails, Mariah will always be the Elusive chanteuse, my butterfly, the Queen
Es dependiendo que tan lista se sienta, obviamente si no siente que su voz esta bien no hace lo difícil en sus canciones, por ejemplo los silbidos... Pero si esta preparada hace cosas increíbles aún
When she lips, she shakes her head and moves her mouth too much/unrealistically. Her arm movements are distinguishable from when she does it live and lipped but it's hard to describe, it's a little more fluid and it seems like she's more focused on that than actually mouthing the words.
Querido,tem horas que vc errou o playback,mas admite,a danada canta muito! Chora bebe!Uma coisa precisa ficar clara,ela pode usar playback mas nunca poderão dizer que ela não tem toda essa voz!
02:42 best live IWKWLI ever 03:29 proof that she's a real queen of whistle. Many singers can whistle but doing riff and run in whistle register like mariah is almost impossible.
I think the infinity high head voice/whistle was playback because you can hear her exhale right before she hits the note, please correct me if I'm wrong, Im still a Mariah Carey fan forever!
Yeah you got some things wrong, someone already brought up the DFAU notes. 7:56 isn't actually live either, the head voice notes that come after that note however (8:08 and beyond) *are* live. You can view fan cam videos of that Disneyland performance and hear for yourself -- the the note at 7:56 is *extremely* quiet, indicative of the fact the sound engineer put the playback audio for front-of-house too low.
Quick little correction: the lipped note at 7:56 is actually louder than everything else and the head voice notes she sings after that are quieter like the rest of the performance (so FOH mixing made lipped notes louder than her live mic). It's been like 2 years since I've watched it, so I forgot lol. Can watch it for yourself here /watch?v=dQLPtwC4YZM for proof that it's lipped
Someday who cares Dam it's Mariah Bitch Stfu Please TF! Get some music degrees then go on tour and back up sing for her if u make the cut ill listen someday!!!! 😂😂😂😂😳😳😂😂
Don't forget about us playback 😂😂😂😂 watch when she sing "you'll ways be in my heart" listen to the airy onset of heart and also how she abruptly closes her mouth in the offset when she sings ooooh baby, is 100% correlated with both her mouth cl9sing and the moving of the mic further. Listen and watch "nothing can compare to your first true love" there is a rasp but also watch how she punches the P in compare. All of her mouth and lip movements are congruent widening the vowel to create a more dynamic performance, she also skips the last "babe" right after the phrase "so I hope this will rend you babe" is the proper lyrics but she skips it here. I mean if are incapable to catch details like those perhaps you are not the right person to make this type of videos.
No she doesn't use it all the time. Y'all just can differentiate between her live vocals and her studio version bcuz she's that good a singer. Get over it
Don’t forget about us, utilised playback so she could hold the note The problem is that her voice is inconsistent. I think if she booked gigs with more time in between to rest her voice, it would be more consistent.
I have a gut feeling that Don't Forget About Us is entirely prerecorded and lipped. Still love MC though--lipped or not--she'll always remain one of my greatest inspirations to want to sing to the world.
It is. The last time she sang most of DFAU live was during TEOM tour but after that she began lipsyncing basically the whole song and only singing a few small parts live like the first verse
ok so they use playback for voice preservation then why do they take the gig and take the cheque like they did it live? business govt sectors should start requiring the artists to market their gigs right
I love her, but contrary to what she thinks, she doesn't have the vocal skills. I think playback is an insult to the public. You have to assume your excesses, but she doesn't.
Steven DSB She sang her heart out and gave us her prime vocals she isn't 20 anymore what do you expect!? Shes still doing gr8 but she isn't here to show who she is. She is MARIAH CAREY she doesn't have to prove anyone anything!!!
Nioh 2 Céline Dion have the same voice since.... years, no alcohol she can easily take high notes. Mariah has been one of the best singer but today... and i love Her but it s reality
@@stevendsb The truth is that she should try to get her voice back, her career has been a lot of lipsync fail, NYE then Fantasy at The Butterfly Returns, I mean, why do you lip a song if you can't do it? I def love her but she should save her career by that and DEF leaving achool to not get her voice more damaged
kkkkkkkkk OK lats talk about diva. i know a lot of divas who can sing and hit high notes live. but the media put mariah in a place that she couldn't be. but im talking only about high notes. becouse when she was singing live in low and midle notes shes very good.
I think you mixed up the live and playback whistle part of I Wanna know What Love is. The first one is live and the second one isnt. You can hear her hardly control the whistle range in the first one
Both of them are in 2016, I do not think the the first "Fantasy" it's live because you do not hear her breathing and it's too perfect for her not to breathe properly, in the second "Fantasy" you can hear that she sings more slowly and you can clearly hear her breath!! Sorry about my English!
That's y'all have beem saying since that she doesn't sing the live parts so when does she ever do it. Never? Cuz i need u to explain how u tell the difference or how sure u arr. Maybe ur the assistant to the sound engineer
Honey Mariah has given countless amazing live vocals. Many even better than studio version. And she is not the firs big voiced diva to partially use playback later in her career and won't be the last.
lol none of the DFAU part is live tho not even the long note legit she 1. can’t hold it that long 2. we’ve heard her reuse the track multiple multiple times lol like on every performance
verify your source before making video you dissed many live like iwtkwli and against all odds and many other but ok if for you singing good is playback this is your opinion and you are not a lamb mariah have nodules all lambs know it and that can make her sound bad like some performance but you have your opinion and i have mine but i'm a huge fan since 20 years i had 5 years when i become afan and i can say to you stop talking for nothing when you don't know the true i see her in the instant of playback and 99% of your video is fauls
I think it's really spot on cuz u can hear the difference in how loud n soft the voice change is.. it's very obvious..and also how far away the Mic is wen she sings
A true singer does not lip synch rather 100 percent live otherwise you are fooling the audience of your ability to sing and audience come, pay and hear you LIVE. She has been complacent with her singing style because she is fond of lip synching if the reason to preserve her voice, then why even in her big concerts still she does that not giving 100 percent live and one thing i noticed of her is that she has a shaky chest voice it is not clean anymore when she hits the high notes thu belting it cracks often...
Phelux Agevz Because when you age, different parts of your body weakens as you get older so that's probably why her chest voice isn't that stable anymore.
I can't say I blame her. The woman has been belting and whistling non stop for no more than 2 years (she rebukes time 😂) She can't always do the whistles, she needs some rest. She is amazing though and will always be
You can usually tell shes lip syncing,when the vocals sound exactly like the studio version or when you dont hear her breathing in the mic, but most of the time she slays my life and will continue to.
Sometimes she hides her face putting her hand in front of her face! i love hit! even Liping she is amazing!!
Also, look at the her neck.
4:07 somebody getting fired that night.. Very huge volume difference..
What Mariah Carey fans gotta know is that the reason Mariah use playback is because she went to her doctor awhile back. Like during the Emancipation of MIMI era. The doctor told her that she has to preserve voice and to keep from pushing because her voice is very delicate and plus she has nodules. The doctor also told her to keep her voice filled with fluid or water to keep it nice and wet haha. Just think about it folks, if Mariah was doing all her songs 100% live she probably wouldn't be able to talk the next day because her voice is so delicate. So I can understand why she lip syncs or partial lip syncs. I think if she was well rested though and she felt bold enough to actually do "we belong together" climax live, she will do it. I'm pretty sure she's capable of doing some climaxes live. But let's be realistic, someone whose voice is very delicate like MIMI would be like torture of singing every song live. I think that's what made her voice a bit unhealthy in the 90s because she was ALWAYS singing and pushing! She's just taking care of her voice now.
Mmmm....I guess she went to the doctor way before since she started with the prerecorded vocals like 10 years before TEOM.
The Against All Odds was flawlessly done
Half Thats lypsnyc! 😂😂😂😂
Mariah is really great performer...she's the original singing Bird...
I Agree!! Even here we see Amazing Live parts! She's one of the best singers of all time!!
Bullshit, she is the queen of lypsnyc
@@tartibroucke6110 Not all the time
Good voice Nate talent. Bad management of it and lack professionalism
no offense, I am a lamb but I can't stop laughing since 4:20 😂
She was like :
U! Fix that shit
I don't wanna hear it
I love this woman no matter what. She has nothing left to prove and even her fails are the best days in the careers of several pop girls..
@@alexcal24 Preach :)
LMAOOO ME TOO
👹 BABY I'M 👹
I don't think her first clip of DFAU is live, especially that sustained Bb4 belt with F5 rising, it seems suspicious easy, so it's lipped. And that IWKWLI Eb7 whistle is live, cause in original it has just D7 peak and completely different vocal line.
Own Thank You so much!!
Dani The Little Monster In this part of your video i totally agree
Regarding those who said they regret their money to hear her lip or sing playback vocals, who doesnt? Celine Dion and many other big names do. And what worths your money is that Mariah cowrites most of the songs she sing too that is something more than the other performers
Who cares we know she writes it but we came to hear her sing not lip
Okay, I am mildly obsessed with how Daydream her vocal sounds at 5:45, no lie. Beyond that, I think most people who are aware of it accept that almost every artist lip syncs a little, including the very best. For Mariah, it makes sense if she's worried about whether or not her high belts are gonna come out or not, as that's a tough range for her voice altogether, and it seems like it's always the first thing to go when she's not feeling well or tense.
I hope with whatever new music she has coming out this year(if any), she keep it simple so she's able to sing it ALL live
During 2016 i think that she as been training her voice and taking best care of it! at least it looks better! lets hope for the best!!
In DFOU, "Baby dont you forget about", whistle, and the long "us~" were lipsynced.
In Fantasy, "but it just a swe-" was lipsynced.
Your video is pretty accurate with lots of recent performances!
She just uses the playback to make her song perpectly. And as always she still slayed 🤗🤗🤗
1:00 is pre recorded vocals from 2006, she sung it the same exact way live then. And there was a vid that compared it to then
she is the queen of lypsnyc
How is she if she’s horrible at it
No, Celine Dion and Beyonce are way better at it.
I'd say that's Celine. She's done it for longer and is better at it.
the sustained note at 1:27 straight after the playback is stunning!!!
Mariah uses playback to ensure when she does sing live she sounds incredible!
Oh no gurl, 2:14 is LIVE. She clearly lost control at first.
I thing that it is not live, i looks very similar to the record one! if u compare them its like the same!
No they are not the same, the audio version is perfectly controled.
+Mariah the Goddess of Butterfly
It's not live, those notes you described as her "losing control" were really just melodyned notes to make it sound different
Shit. I was wrong the whole time, sorry.
Mariah the Goddess of Butterfly This whistle WAS ACTUALLY LIVE
6:06-6:16 omg heavenly
That infinity whistle though😍😍😍
At 8:00 the background singer in the right smiles at Mariah, and she was like, "Damn, saaaang, Mariah!"
We all know that she uses playback why make a video about it ? just going to fuel the Haters.
I find it very informative. I like to know when she's lipping
Morgan Colon SHE'S BEEN CONSISTENTLY LIPSYNCING FOR ALMOST 20 YRS.
LEX GRAHAM actually she only started lip stanching in 1997
Kevin Wash 1997-2017 EQUALS 20YRS
Duo Channel Because haters like seeing Mariah fail but her 27 year old career still strong even after all the hardships and fails, Mariah will always be the Elusive chanteuse, my butterfly, the Queen
FIRST PERFORMANCE: Although she used Playback it was GREAT and i Love it. She did it perfectly and the whistle and last note was great.
Good video. Mariah is one of the greatest.
High Five Bro!
She is!
Es dependiendo que tan lista se sienta, obviamente si no siente que su voz esta bien no hace lo difícil en sus canciones, por ejemplo los silbidos... Pero si esta preparada hace cosas increíbles aún
Como Fantasy en las Vegas 2016 casi la canto completa sin playback
the high note in I Want To Know What Love is (the first one, violet dress) is totally live
When she lips, she shakes her head and moves her mouth too much/unrealistically. Her arm movements are distinguishable from when she does it live and lipped but it's hard to describe, it's a little more fluid and it seems like she's more focused on that than actually mouthing the words.
Querido,tem horas que vc errou o playback,mas admite,a danada canta muito! Chora bebe!Uma coisa precisa ficar clara,ela pode usar playback mas nunca poderão dizer que ela não tem toda essa voz!
os whistles dela estavam muito poderosos na era memoirs
I wonder how they remember when to hit playback and when to switch back to live. It's a lot to remember for the entire tour
02:42 best live IWKWLI ever
03:29 proof that she's a real queen of whistle.
Many singers can whistle but doing riff and run in whistle register like mariah is almost impossible.
@3:38 Thought it was gonna be a "Playback"... because it sounded live to me... at least XD
that wasn't live lol
when/where is that first fantasy clip from?? she looks so slim!!!
Essense Festical 2016!
RIGHT!! SHE LOOKS SO GOOD!!
2016 is the perfect shape of her body
Personally I believe that Against All Odds was live.
It's nog called playback.. it's called pre recording
she is great !
I think the infinity high head voice/whistle was playback because you can hear her exhale right before she hits the note, please correct me if I'm wrong, Im still a Mariah Carey fan forever!
Great video! Thank U! 💖
Yeah you got some things wrong, someone already brought up the DFAU notes. 7:56 isn't actually live either, the head voice notes that come after that note however (8:08 and beyond) *are* live. You can view fan cam videos of that Disneyland performance and hear for yourself -- the the note at 7:56 is *extremely* quiet, indicative of the fact the sound engineer put the playback audio for front-of-house too low.
Omg thank you so much!
i really tought that it was all live :o it looked Like!
Someday it was live.
Quick little correction: the lipped note at 7:56 is actually louder than everything else and the head voice notes she sings after that are quieter like the rest of the performance (so FOH mixing made lipped notes louder than her live mic). It's been like 2 years since I've watched it, so I forgot lol. Can watch it for yourself here /watch?v=dQLPtwC4YZM for proof that it's lipped
oh, now i see.
Someday who cares Dam it's Mariah Bitch Stfu Please TF! Get some music degrees then go on tour and back up sing for her if u make the cut ill listen someday!!!! 😂😂😂😂😳😳😂😂
1:31 vibrato ended lipbracelet
against all odds is also live lol
Ayaw Palak so much stupidity in this comment I can't handle it
It's a studio track she made it deeper than the original
Ayaw Palak naa
It’s not. It’s literally the studio vocals and some unsused parts toned down... cmon y’all lambs be delusionaaaa
the don't forget about us clip was way more lipped than what you indicated
1:43 that Bow down Bitches with matching ramp. LOl!!!
2:15 live
Love love love Mariah
4:21 sweety 😩😩
Actually its one of my favourite things! Its so "Natural" e think its amazing! shes not perfect and i love her that way!
Dani The Little Monster I love her too I just think the girl needs some much needed vocal rest.
Yeess!!! during this last Year i think that she as been taking care of her voice! it look like it!
the Dont you forgot about us , i dont know what love is are all live.
Don't forget about us playback 😂😂😂😂 watch when she sing "you'll ways be in my heart" listen to the airy onset of heart and also how she abruptly closes her mouth in the offset when she sings ooooh baby, is 100% correlated with both her mouth cl9sing and the moving of the mic further. Listen and watch "nothing can compare to your first true love" there is a rasp but also watch how she punches the P in compare. All of her mouth and lip movements are congruent widening the vowel to create a more dynamic performance, she also skips the last "babe" right after the phrase "so I hope this will rend you babe" is the proper lyrics but she skips it here.
I mean if are incapable to catch details like those perhaps you are not the right person to make this type of videos.
8:25 what the music?
“You’re mine” By mariah carey
Is she still singing underneath the playback or does she lip sync along?
08:23 please song
Dami G. Your'e Mine
2:14 and 3:28 i can´t hear the diference
On the beginning of the 2:14 Whiste is u listen carefully there higher parts!
also the first one has a crack halfway
No she doesn't use it all the time. Y'all just can differentiate between her live vocals and her studio version bcuz she's that good a singer. Get over it
How do know what is playback and what is live only your opinion
Don’t forget about us, utilised playback so she could hold the note
The problem is that her voice is inconsistent. I think if she booked gigs with more time in between to rest her voice, it would be more consistent.
Wow she’s the Queen of whistle for a reason
Queen MC 😍😍😍❤❤👑👏👏👏👏👏👏
I have a gut feeling that Don't Forget About Us is entirely prerecorded and lipped. Still love MC though--lipped or not--she'll always remain one of my greatest inspirations to want to sing to the world.
Absolutely!!!
It is. The last time she sang most of DFAU live was during TEOM tour but after that she began lipsyncing basically the whole song and only singing a few small parts live like the first verse
Live or playback, don't forget about us is so hard no one can sing that song and if Mariah can't sing that song that's ok 👌🏽
Iloooooove ittttt daaaahling 😍😍😍
its so hard to put the difference between play back and live because it seems all live not just a lil part when she sang her songs..
ok so they use playback for voice preservation then why do they take the gig and take the cheque like they did it live? business govt sectors should start requiring the artists to market their gigs right
Ramiro Enriquez Because it's part of the business.
I love her, but contrary to what she thinks, she doesn't have the vocal skills. I think playback is an insult to the public. You have to assume your excesses, but she doesn't.
Steven DSB She sang her heart out and gave us her prime vocals she isn't 20 anymore what do you expect!? Shes still doing gr8 but she isn't here to show who she is. She is MARIAH CAREY she doesn't have to prove anyone anything!!!
Nioh 2 Céline Dion have the same voice since.... years, no alcohol she can easily take high notes. Mariah has been one of the best singer but today... and i love Her but it s reality
@@stevendsb The truth is that she should try to get her voice back, her career has been a lot of lipsync fail, NYE then Fantasy at The Butterfly Returns, I mean, why do you lip a song if you can't do it? I def love her but she should save her career by that and DEF leaving achool to not get her voice more damaged
@@stevendsb ...and Celine lip syncs
kkkkkkkkk OK lats talk about diva. i know a lot of divas who can sing and hit high notes live. but the media put mariah in a place that she couldn't be. but im talking only about high notes. becouse when she was singing live in low and midle notes shes very good.
I think you mixed up the live and playback whistle part of I Wanna know What Love is. The first one is live and the second one isnt. You can hear her hardly control the whistle range in the first one
that fantasy from 2016 is live
Both of them are in 2016, I do not think the the first "Fantasy" it's live because you do not hear her breathing and it's too perfect for her not to breathe properly, in the second "Fantasy" you can hear that she sings more slowly and you can clearly hear her breath!!
Sorry about my English!
08:32 Its already 2018 but wheres the new Music?? Lol
Danny Alima 😩😭😭😒 Been waiting PATIENTLY
The Sound engineer should listen attentively or else he/she will be fired.. Lol
Crazyyyyy!!!!!!
6:53 is live up to the end... You can hear her breath... ;)
Queen of playback
Michael Velez your ass
Garlant yes! farting in your ugly face!
Celine?
That's y'all have beem saying since that she doesn't sing the live parts so when does she ever do it. Never? Cuz i need u to explain how u tell the difference or how sure u arr. Maybe ur the assistant to the sound engineer
where can I find the my all perfotmance?
Mark Alfred Quinquito ruclips.net/video/0QF70uEX_PA/видео.html
Here it is!!
Dani The Little Monster thank youuu
Infinity isn't playback at all
Where was the first perfomance? Someone answer me plz I really need to know
Steve Jab las vegas!!!
Dani The Little Monster thank you so much for answering me
Was that on #1 to infinity?
Steve Jab yes it was!! On the 25 of june
Some of the playback that you claim sounds worse than the original
Both DFAU was Live gurll 😓
5:50
whatever it is ..i always enjoy watching her
lipsync or not
1:28 that belt is not live
When she's lipping she always puts the microphone way closer to her lips.
You got it wrong on against all odds
I'm sorry but the truth is she can't sing her songs live just like the studio.noone should really expect her to.
Harry Bleachwood i'm sorry. but her LIVE PERFORMANCES in her First 7 Years were all better than studio Recordings. those VOCAL SUICIDE SONGS.
Honey Mariah has given countless amazing live vocals. Many even better than studio version. And she is not the firs big voiced diva to partially use playback later in her career and won't be the last.
i hate this comment so much ... fuck you
People always say she cannot sing anymore. But they ignored the fact that her own songs are fucking hard to sing.
lol none of the DFAU part is live tho not even the long note legit she 1. can’t hold it that long 2. we’ve heard her reuse the track multiple multiple times lol like on every performance
3:19 Playback 3:23 yeahyeah live 3:25 playback + highnote playback. sorry lol
what concert is 5:06?
Essense Festival!!
thanks.
verify your source before making video you dissed many live like iwtkwli and against all odds and many other but ok if for you singing good is playback this is your opinion and you are not a lamb mariah have nodules all lambs know it and that can make her sound bad like some performance but you have your opinion and i have mine but i'm a huge fan since 20 years i had 5 years when i become afan and i can say to you stop talking for nothing when you don't know the true i see her in the instant of playback and 99% of your video is fauls
Why would u even make this video... 😒 u unintentionally made her look bad. You got most of them wrong anyway
nicholask95 which are wrong?
I think it's really spot on cuz u can hear the difference in how loud n soft the voice change is.. it's very obvious..and also how far away the Mic is wen she sings
*she uses them because she can never sing live the hard notes which are recorded using comping technique*
She could of easily killed "my all" live
8:00 fucking LIVE dahling ❤️😍
She can't even sing live to save her life
Kid . Go to school
I’m a Lamb 4 life but most of the “lives” that you claimed were Lipped :/
Daniel Montesinos which ones?
She was crying in the first
40%live/60%playback
4:20 What a hell has happen here?
A true singer does not lip synch rather 100 percent live otherwise you are fooling the audience of your ability to sing and audience come, pay and hear you LIVE. She has been complacent with her singing style because she is fond of lip synching if the reason to preserve her voice, then why even in her big concerts still she does that not giving 100 percent live and one thing i noticed of her is that she has a shaky chest voice it is not clean anymore when she hits the high notes thu belting it cracks often...
Phelux Agevz Because when you age, different parts of your body weakens as you get older so that's probably why her chest voice isn't that stable anymore.
what song at 6.40??
Shes lipsing to the record version! of the 90's if u pay attention u see the different in her voice!!!
Dani The Little Monster ok can you tell me the name of the song please?
"Against All Odds"
Dani The Little Monster thank you so much
Ur Wellcome Dahling
Xfactor iwtkwli is alllllll live darling.
Se ven las heridas de la liposucción en los brazos!
????
it's not even play back !!!!